Ronke Odewum - Money, Meaning & Purpose

 In this episode, I sit down with Ronke Odewumi — a Chartered Management Accountant, Personal Finance Coach, and founder of The Wealth Builder’s Network about Money, Meaning & Purpose 

With two decades of experience spanning global organisations, she combines deep financial expertise with relatable coaching to help people master their money and build lasting wealth.
Through her platform, Ronke has grown an audience of over 100,000 engaged followers worldwide, particularly among African and diaspora professionals, where she is known for her warm, practical approach to personal finance.
She has coached thousands through webinars, courses, and one-to-one sessions, empowering them to budget effectively, invest confidently, and take control of their financial futures.

She is also the creator of Clarity, an AI-powered personal finance product, alongside popular tools like her budgeting and investing resources.

Passionate about financial empowerment, Ronke makes wealth building simple, practical, and achievable for professionals and families alike.
Ronke shares her personal finance knowledge through her website, YouTube channel, and social media accounts.

Connect with Ronke:
Website: www.ronkeodewumi.com

Youtube: www.youtube.com/ronkeodewumi
Instagram: @ronkeodewumi
Twitter: @ronkeodewumi
Tiktok: @ronkeodewumi
Email: ronke@ronkeodewumi.com

Transcript

SPEAKER_02 0:08

My guest today is Ronke Odemi, a chartered management accountant, a personal finance coach, and the founder of the Wealth Builders Network. Welcome, Ronke. Thank you for having me. So, would you like to introduce yourself to our listeners and audience?

SPEAKER_01 0:28

Yes, I would love that very much. Um, my name is Runke Odeomi, and as Fit said, I'm a charter magnet accountant, I'm a personal finance coach, I'm a mom, and I'm somebody who is passionate about helping people build wealth, um, wherever they are, whatever they earn, supporting them with financial knowledge so that they can build wealth easily while living their best lives.

SPEAKER_02 0:53

So, um, one of the reasons why I wanted to have this conversation with you, Ronke, is I wanted to, you know, I wanted us to go back to the beginning of when you first started your journey. Um, so how did it first start? What was the first spark?

SPEAKER_01 1:11

Okay, so the the interesting thing for me is that I do have an advantage or a privilege in that my dad was an investment banker. So I grew up with money being a conversation in the house. Um, financial responsibility and accountability were constant topics in my household. And even as low as, even as young as the age of 9, 10, 10, I was required to have financial responsibility and accountability where my lunch money was concerned. And there was a specific birthday, I think it was when I was 13 or 14 that my father bought me stocks as birthday presents and presented them to me so that I knew that I owned them. At the time, it was first bank shares that he bought for me. So there was that um knowledge, just you know, sitting there in the background of my life. But then when I started working, um I just packed a lot of things aside. I got credit cards, I started using them and just ignored a lot of my lessons, and then it hit me hard because I suddenly was in debt and I had to pivot back to all of the lessons my father had taught me in the past and to pick that up and start living that life of financial accountability and responsibility. And then going into finance and working in the financial space and picking up that knowledge then became something that buttressed my strength and my interest in that space. And that was how I really started this journey.

SPEAKER_02 2:46

Okay. So before you went into finance when you were at university, um, was it finance you studied, or was your career path totally different at the time?

SPEAKER_01 2:57

So I started out in biosciences and then moved over to studying accounting, which I found more interesting because um mathematics have always been my my favorite subject growing up. It was just something that I connected well with numbers. So I went back to it because I said this is where my joy is at, and I went back to that and went into accounting, and then I worked with a big four. My first job was with a big four KPMG and straight right away into what was accounting. So I went into KPMG business accounting program, and that was where my journey back into finance really started.

SPEAKER_02 3:32

Okay, so um I guess you've kind of mentioned it, um, that was the point you realized that you wanted to work um in in financial environments. Yes. So that was when you realized it was a calling, or was there something else?

SPEAKER_01 3:51

When did you say I think my financial skill set is completely different from the calling for personal finance? And the calling for personal finance came up when because I was in the finance space, people would ask me questions about personal finance, people would ask me um about their money and things about investing, and I realized that there were a lot of things I knew that a lot of people just didn't know. Uh and I thought, oh, did don't we all know that we're supposed to invest? Don't we all know that we're doing this? Are you not doing this? And it was interesting because I was the friend that had a spreadsheet for our income. I've had a spreadsheet for my income from my first job. From day one, I've had income, expenses, balancing my account every month from my first job. So I was that person that my friends turned to when they wanted to talk about their money, and so that was what made me realize that there was a huge gap, especially in places like the UK, with um African and Caribbeans living in the UK. There's a little bit of a gap. There's nobody speaking the money language to us in a way that's understandable and easy. There's no trust being built, there's just an assumption of knowledge. So I saw that gap and I started to fill it. You know, I would speak at church programs, I would speak at charitable events, and that was how I really started, you know, coming into that personal finance space, and I was trying to bridge a gap. I saw a knowledge gap and I wanted to bridge it. So, was this when you were at university or you'd already started working? I'd already started working. So throughout my early working days, university was just my friends and I talked to about money. But it was when I started working that I decided, okay, I'm going to fill this gap, I'm going to look into this gap and you know start doing something about it and sharing my knowledge in a wider community of people.

SPEAKER_02 5:36

And when did that um so when you started doing that, what made you actually say, Okay, well, I can do this, I can build a platform. When did that actually start?

SPEAKER_01 5:49

So I think it was I'd spoken at a few events and at a few programs, and people would go, where can we hear more? Where can we see more of what you're talking about? So, yeah, this is fantastic. But you've just spoken to us for an hour and you're gonna go away. So, where can we get more knowledge? Where can we can we email you? Can we like us? Okay, I'm gonna start a YouTube channel and um start speaking from there. And of course, my mentor at the time also mentioned to me that you need a platform where you can share more information and people can reach you and you can provide wider support because right now you're just supporting people who know people who know people, you know. So I started a YouTube channel, so that was where I started my public or you know, giving of personal finance knowledge to a wider community. It was YouTube, so I started my YouTube channel, and then I thought I'm gonna create an Instagram channel to support my YouTube. So I'm gonna do YouTube, which is going to be my main place, and then anything I post on YouTube, I will come and tell you guys on Instagram that listen, there's a video you need to go and watch over on YouTube. So my intention was not really to share that much information on Instagram, it was going to be YouTube.

SPEAKER_02 6:59

So I was doing both at the time when I started out, and um, I mean, I follow you on Instagram. Um, I notice now you have quite a lot of different engagements with, for example, Bank of England and other institutions. Um, how how did you develop that, you know, in terms of getting obviously it's a great platform for you to you know to speak on? How how do you feel about that? That you've actually created a platform where people are actually inviting you to come and talk and you know give advice and listen, because you're a very familiar face on Instagram with people from the diaspora and of um and Africans here in the UK. So do you just want to elaborate more on that?

SPEAKER_01 7:50

So if you notice as well, um considering the size of my platform, I have very few partnerships, and that's because I consider myself to have a fiduciary duty to my audience, and I don't just partner or represent any brand for the fun of it because I hold myself accountable for the things I speak about, which is why um the brands or the organizations I partner with, there's a lot of research that's gone into it. There's a lot of me using their products and understanding what they offer, there's checking you know their regulatory uh compliance and checking that they have security compliance, they have financial um compliance before I even dabbled in that. And with the Bank of England, it was uh they reached out to me to have that conversation, and we decided we could work together really well, and I'm hopeful to continue working together with the Bank of England. I think it's great that the Bank of England is invested in helping everyday people understand their money, the interest rates, the inflation, you know, what what's what's doing with your savings, what what are the words you need to know? It's fantastic that the Bank of England is doing that, and I'm looking forward to working together with them more, you know. But what the focus for me is ensuring that what I bring to my community is beneficial to them. This is the first question I ask every brand. What's in it for my people? Why should they look at you? Why should they use you? What's in it for them? And if the if the benefit is not clear to me, I'm very happy to say no. I've said a lot of no's um to a lot of brands because this is not aligned with what I'm in what I'm telling my people about. Um, for example, I've I've had a lot of reach out from crypto brands. Lots of crypto organizations reach out and they're willing to pay, they want me to talk about it. And I said, I'm sorry, don't have any problem with crypto, but this is not what we do here. We I don't I don't push crypto to my audience, I don't talk about it. If if somebody opened an account today in my name and started to talk about crypto, I'm convinced that 50% of my audience will call out that person and say, No, that's not Runker. Runker would never do that. So there is an expectation from my audience which I live up to, which I represent. People know me, they know what I stand for, and I'm very keen to continue to hold on to that button, that fiducial duty of bringing only regulated, um, confirmed, correct, transparent financial information and education to people.

SPEAKER_02 10:17

Yes, so you talk about your community, and can you elaborate more who your community is? Because I know that you're also a very family-oriented individual. Um, so do you want to elaborate on that?

SPEAKER_01 10:31

Yes. So my community are my followers on Instagram, people who have joined my WebDilders Network, which is a group I have on Instagram that you can subscribe to. My followers are people who have participated in my master classes, my mentoring program, who have purchased my um budgeting spreadsheet, my expense spreadsheet, people who listen to my videos and take action. Anyone who listens to the knowledge I share and buys into it, takes action, does something to build their wealth and continues to listen to me? That's my community. And um sometimes is the people that are following me, and sometimes the people that are not following me who stumble on my video and then continue to stay on to watch. So that that is my community. I call them the world builders because we are building wealth together.

SPEAKER_02 11:17

Yeah, I know that you also, a mother, um, how do you actually manage everything? And um, yeah, how do you manage your day-to-day and also concentrate on doing this?

SPEAKER_01 11:33

So, um, processes. I'm somebody who believes that structure and processes help. So I put processes in place um to make sure that I'm doing things. So if I if I need to record my videos, for example, there's a specific day when I do them. Um, I I put a lot of um time planning. I do a lot of time planning, to-do planning. Um, I work with specific to-do lists. This is what I'm doing today. I don't overstretch myself. I'm not trying to solve every problem that is out there in this world. Um, or trying to live everybody's life. I'm very good at also minding my business. You'd be surprised how much that consumes time for a lot of us. We are minding business that's not ours. So I try to mind my business a lot. Um, I outsource, I'm somebody who is willing to outsource things like house cleaning, um, extracurricular activities for my children. You know, I'm not teaching them how to swim, I'm not the one teaching them those things. Um I'm dropping them there and I'm waiting for them to finish and things like that. Um, I'm very streamlined, I don't try to do everything and be everything because, in addition to being a personal finance coach, I do have a day job. I have a 95, and that needs to be done in addition to um coaching people, in addition to bringing content and then responding to DMs and responding to comments, it's a lot, so it requires a lot of planning, um, knowing what I'm capable of, saying no to things that don't benefit my community, they don't benefit my systems, they don't benefit my goals. I'm very good at saying no to those things. So it's a lot of planning, and I also do a lot of habit stacking. So if I need to do something, I stack it on something that must be done. So if I if I there's something I'm trying to do, then I do it right after something that must be done or right before something that must be done, you know. So that's that's how I kind of get things done ahead.

SPEAKER_02 13:24

So you talk about habit stacking, actually, that's the first time I've heard of that phrase. So can you just expand a little bit on that and give us like a specific example?

SPEAKER_01 13:34

Yes, I'll just give you the examples of habits that I stack. Yeah. So for example, if I wanted to fold clothes, I've done laundry and there's a pile of clean clothes waiting to be folded. Um, telling myself I'm going to fold those clothes is a lie. Well, but I do want to watch TV. I want to watch a show that I like. So I watch a show that I like and I fold clothes at the same time. And so that that habit of something that I enjoy has now been stacked with something that has to be done. And then it happens. The other option, the other example of habit stacking is when I go to the gym. So I stack my gym with picking up my daughter. My daughter has to be picked up from school. This is not an optional activity. School is not going to hold on to her permanently. So I stack my gym to go to the gym right before I have to pick her up. So I'm with I'm leaving the house anyway. So all I have to do is live in her house an hour before school pickup, so I can get into the gym and pick her up. So those two habits are stacked. If, for example, I want to record a video and there's good sunlight and it's summertime, and I drop my daughter off at an event or at a program. While I'm waiting for the program, I'm gonna find a corner and do two or three videos. And if you go on my profile, you will see videos that have been done in different locations because I'm outside, I'm in my car. So I've stacked that habit with something that really needs to happen. So that's that's what happens with habit stacking. You know, you need to do something so you do something. You need to do something, then you start something that you try a new habit that you're trying to build, you stack it on the habit that already exists, or stack it on something that you love doing. You know, it's a little bit like you're gonna cook because you want to eat, so you can listen to podcasts while you do it. Maybe you're not a big fan of podcasts, but yeah, yeah, let it play. And then now I'm cooking, podcast is playing, I'm picking all the things instead of saying I'm gonna listen to podcasts, and it becomes a separate activity that you now have to do. So there is doing those two things at the same time works for me. I'm not somebody who can actually sit down and listen to podcasts and just sit down quietly and wait for a podcast to play. But when I'm cooking or when I'm driving, there's always something playing. There's a podcast playing, I'm listening to it, I'm laughing, I'm learning, I'm listening to an audiobook. That's the only way I can you know listen to that. So that's that's the habit stacking I'm talking about.

SPEAKER_02 15:50

Okay, fantastic. Actually, I I do that as well, but I don't know it as habit stacking. So I've learned one new word today. Um so uh I was going to ask what keeps you grounded in your why when um when work when work gets demanding and overwhelming?

SPEAKER_01 16:13

So um when we speak of personal finance, what keeps me grounded is knowing that I'm helping someone. So every time I make a video, I'll I make I create a content message to to share knowledge. My intention is not to reach a million people, even though sometimes I do. My intention is to reach one person. If there's one person out there who's gonna watch this video and be like, oh my god, I needed this. Oh ah, finally, I understand. That's my why. And my community is filled with extremely kind people. I know that social media is meant to be like this toxic space, but my community is filled with super kind people. These people will get in my DM and they will let me know how I impact them, and I'm so grateful for this because these messages always come at very opportune times, they always come when I'm tired or when I'm like, Oh, I need to make a video, or I open my DM and I see 80 messages. Sometimes I open my DM and I say 75 messages, and oh my god, I'm getting to reply 75 messages, and then there's one of those messages saying, Thank you so much. I started investing after I watched your video, and this year I've now invested 5,000 pounds, I've now invested 10,000 pounds. Oh, I bought this stock three years ago because of something you said, and right now this stock is at 50% or 100% interest rate, 25%. That is my why. Because people are out there building wealth, we are changing our story, we are changing the narrative as black people in diaspora, as Africans and Caribbeans in diaspora, or even Africans in Africa, you know, building careers. We are building wealth, we are living, we are building the kind of wealth that allows us to leave generational wealth for our children so that the next generation have an advantage um that we don't have. And that in itself is a fantastic thing, it's it's a beautiful thing to be able to have you know that knowledge that people are building wealth.

SPEAKER_02 18:08

Fantastic. So, um, what does wealth truly mean to you beyond money?

SPEAKER_01 18:16

Um, wealth for me is good health, is self-love, is uh knowing that you matter and you deserve to be here, knowing that having that love for yourself, looking into the mirror and loving the person to you see is wealth. You know, being able to choose joy is such a difficult thing because it's easy to say choose joy, but it's such a difficult thing for a lot of people. But being able to choose joy is wealth, you know, taking care of your body is wealth, you know, being able to show for yourself, for your children, for your partner, that is wealth. Choosing yourself is wealth. If you can't choose yourself, you're a very poor person. You need to be able to choose yourself, to be kind to yourself, to love yourself, and to look in the mirror and love what you see. For me, this is wealth. And if you love yourself, if you look in the mirror and love yourself, you will save for your first future self, you will invest for your future self, you will prepare for the old age that your future self is gonna have because you don't want your future self to sit in a room somewhere with a coach when they are 75 because the room is unheated and they can't afford heating, you know. So, the kind of wealth I'm asking people to build, I'm not asking anybody to amass wealth and become a billionaire. So, like no, I'm asking you to prepare for your future, take care of today, and prepare for the future. So, taking care of today also means increasing your income now so that you can pay for that private health insurance, so that you can pay for that second opinion, so that you can uh pay for that gym membership and then you can go there and get fitness, and even if you're not doing it in front of the TV, being able to afford to buy two dumbbells, being able to afford to eat protein and put good protein on your table and eat good food and cook good food, all of those things are ways in which you have wealth.

SPEAKER_02 20:06

Yeah, because one of the reasons why I asked that question is because when people, you know, there's a lot of information about wealth, how you can build it, it's not something that happens overnight. And also people think that wealth is everything, but you know, wealth is not just money. And um, you know, it goes way beyond that. And you know, in terms of like sometimes, you know, in terms of like what you teach, I know you've mentioned some of it, but how do we start changing people's mindsets that it's a step in the right, you know, for for some of the things you've mentioned? How do how do you educate people to start small?

SPEAKER_01 20:51

Well, I think the first uh um lesson most people need to learn is that wealth is not overnight. Neither is success. I think the greatest disadvantage the media has done to us is telling us that success is overnight. Oh, this person just woke up overnight and it became like this. No, they've worked for years in silence, they've worked for years and you know, so many months just grinding away. And so they think the first uh thing we need to start letting everybody know is that it's not overnight. Wealth is not overnight, wealth is not only financial, you know, you might not have a lot of money in your bank account, but if you have joy, if you're taking care of your body, if you're being kind to your body with what you eat, if you're being kind to yourself, by saying no to things that stress you out, by not showing up in places that exhaust you, by by by learning those things, you know, understanding that wealth goes beyond money. These are the things we need to first of all help people understand, and also you know, greed, spotting when we are being greedy, and that's when you're trying to build wealth overnight. You know, you are you're you're less likely to get you're more likely to get. Into trouble if you are trying to build wealth overnight. That's where somebody's gonna come at you with, Oh, you can make one million pounds from five thousand pounds, you give them your five thousand pounds and then they and then it's gone, it's silence. So it's it's understanding that wealth is not an overnight journey, it's a marathon, it's not a strength, and that there is there is more to wealth than financial wealth. I think those are the two key two key things I'm trying to push across.

SPEAKER_02 22:25

Yeah. And if you were to speak to your younger self, I know you said you started when you were quite young, but if you were if you could speak to your younger self about your journey today, what would you tell your younger self about money, purpose, um in the process?

SPEAKER_01 22:47

I would tell my younger self to put away the credit card. Put away the credit card. There's nothing you're buying with you that you're doing that you're gonna still have in 10 years' time because I don't I can't remember whatever I spent that money on. So put away the credit card, believe in yourself. Absolutely, pack the imposter syndrome, just pack it, you know, ask for more. Ask for more. Life is going to say yes to you more times than you can imagine. So ask for more. I think those are the things I will say to my younger self.

SPEAKER_00 23:18

Join the gym, join the gym now, do it, go to the gym right now. You're gonna love the gym, you're gonna find out that you like the gym, but go now. Yeah, I think those are the things I will say to my younger self.

SPEAKER_02 23:33

And you know, I wanted to ask you if if somebody was listening and they feel a bit stuck financially. Um, what is the first mindset you believe that they need to change to make it um yeah, to for them to change to make a difference? Where should they start from?

SPEAKER_01 23:57

To live within their means. That's the first thing. Whatever your means is, you need to live within it. And I know some people come out and say, Oh, I earn very little. That's why there's someone that earns less and they're living within their means. You need to live within your means, whatever your means is, you need to live within it while trying to increase your means. That's the first thing. The greatest, the easiest way to go into debt is to live beyond your means. It will make you miserable, you will ruin your mental health, you're gonna stop sleeping, you're gonna have anxiety, it's going to escalate into a lot of things that are so not worth your what your health and what your time. So I will always say live within your means. If you don't know how, there are lots of people, there are lots of frugal videos online, frugal living. Some people have taken frugal living to a level that even I am bothered. I'm like, no, this is too much. But if you if you want to cut that living, you will find support with people who are also who are also trying to reduce their spending, so live within your means. That's that's the first thing you need to do.

SPEAKER_02 25:08

Okay, anything else?

SPEAKER_01 25:11

Anything else you want to add to that? Yeah, and don't go into debt. Pay off your debt, don't go into debt, pay off your debt, start paying it off. You don't have to pay it all off at once, you don't have to pay it off in big chunks, but you need to pay it off. So paying the minimum on your credit card is not paying it off. That's that means I don't want to pay it off. I want to keep this debt forever, which is what the lender wants you to do because they are charging interest on that card. So, what you want to do is pay off your debt, especially debts that are not tied to assets. So, when I say pay off your debt, I'm not talking about a mortgage. That's a debt that's tied to an asset that is increasing in value. That's a fantastic kind of debt. That's the kind of debt you want to have. What I'm talking about here are credit cards, payday loans. You want to pay them off, you want to throw everything you can at it as soon as possible to reduce it. Because even if you don't have money, if you're out of debt, then it's just you living your simple life with the money that you have, you're not owing any man, and there is a comfort in that as well, you know. So it's very important to live within your means, pay off your debt, and don't acquire more debt.

SPEAKER_02 26:12

Yeah, I've seen um videos that you've done, like you don't need that new coat.

SPEAKER_01 26:18

You bought from surprised how much we consume, how much consumerism we have, and I think it was I I was trying to sell off some things on Vinted, which is a platform where you can sell off your used clothes if people don't know about it, and you find out how terribly priced things are. That gorgeous Zara jacket that you forced to buy and paid 60 pounds for, is now selling on vintage for three pounds, selling on vintage for five pounds. The retail value is terrible. Unless you even if you're selling something that's a designer product, by the time you bought that designer product and you get on vintage, they are selling it for 50 pounds, something that you bought at 300, 400, they're not selling it for 50 pounds, 40 pounds. Really, there isn't that retail value for a lot of you know high streets, mid-luxury items. There isn't that strong retail value. This proof to you that while it's good to buy those things when you need them, it's important to not amass them. They are not something that you can convert easily into wealth the way you need it. So it's very important that we bear that in mind. You know, I see videos of people with 20 bottles of perfume, 20 wastewatches, and they've arranged everything on their dresser, and and I'm just there thinking, oh, there goes all your money.

SPEAKER_02 27:35

One of the things I wanted to ask, and I ask my guests this is what three values do you live by?

SPEAKER_01 27:48

Kindness. I think it's a value that's been embodied in me as a child, is a value value that I continue to hold close. Um kindness. Me being kind to myself, to others, to my children, to my partner, my husband. Being kind constantly. Kindness for me is a very um important value. Integrity is another one. Um holding on to doing what is fair, what is right, um, keeping transparency, asking myself if you know the what this thing that I've done, is this is this fair to the next person? Is this is this expected? Is it good? You know, so there is integrity for me, there is kindness, is is another value that I hold on to. And contentment. I think contentment is a bedrock of my life. I'm content with what I have, with who I am, with my journey, with how far I've come, with if I failed at something, that's okay. It's a learning experience. It's it's been content. And I think that spills into finances as well. Because if you are content, you're less likely to compare your life to others, you're less likely to be miserable over it, or to start making purchases you can't afford because you want to keep up with the junctions. So contentment for me is is a key value. So if I was going to um order it, I would I would say integrity, contentment, kindness in that order.

SPEAKER_02 29:22

Amazing. I think that's that's really, really great. We're now coming towards the end of our you know conversation. Um, if people were to find you firstly, what's next for you? What are you working on next? So this is this is an interesting one to think.

SPEAKER_01 29:42

So I've um on my website, I've got a website which is eponymous, it's my name, roll killdeelwoman.com, and on my website, I have products that people can get for free or paid. So there's there are tools, budgeting spreadsheets, expense spreadsheets, debt trackers, and you know, investing spreadsheets and things like that. Lots of products you can you can get on my website. Um, I've also built an AI tool called Clarity, which supports you when you're trying to make stocks, stock um investing decisions because it does all the research for you, it does all the financial analysis and calculations that you would normally do before deciding if you want to purchase an asset or something. So Clarity is doing that, I'm running that, but what I'm now doing on my website is putting up a blog post every single day. Okay, because I realized that in addition to coming on Instagram and TikTok and Facebook and sharing videos, some people love to read, some people find it easier to read, and so on my pay on my website, I'm putting up a post every blog post every single day. It can be on savings, it can be on investing, and I had a recent one on the best high yield savings accounts we have in the UK right now. I put up October in last week, um, and so that's my goal this you know for the next few months or this year is to put up educational information every single day on my website and to make sure that people are taking advantage of my AI tool, clarity, and just you know, making their decisions with ease because they have the support to do that. The second, the other thing I'm doing this year is I'm writing a book, it's fiction. Uh, I wrote a fictional book in 2018, it's been a while, almost almost 10 years now. And I've just I'm just finishing up another book, which I'm hoping to bring to everybody to see. Okay, and your first book, what was that about? So the first book was fiction as well. It's based in Nigeria, it's it's the it's an intersectional story of three girls and how they had different challenges in life and how they overcame these challenges. So it's called The Lost Khaki Girls. I based this story at the National Youth Service Camp, NYS Camp. I thought it was a good location for drama to happen. So it's a book that's really dramatic, and the story happens there. So it's the Lost Khaki Girls. It's available on Amazon for anybody who wants to buy, and yeah.

SPEAKER_02 32:16

Thank you so so much. Um welcome. So I know you're you are on Instagram, you're on obviously LinkedIn and YouTube, and all the information will be um, I will share that with our audience. Could you please send me the link to that book as well so I can add it to the information?

SPEAKER_00 32:36

Yes, I will do that.

SPEAKER_02 32:38

Yeah, thank you so so much for today and for your time. I know you're very busy.

SPEAKER_01 32:43

I'm glad it's been a fantastic conversation, and I was really looking forward to this. I've been a bit of a flu, so I know I sound days out, but I woke up this morning thinking, yes, I'm going on Facebook's podcast today. Thank you so much for having me. I'm really glad. I really appreciate the opportunity, and you're doing a fantastic thing here. Thank you very much.

SPEAKER_02 33:02

Thank you, thank you.