The Dominique Rodgers-Cromartie Experience

From being a skinny, overlooked kid bouncing between five different high schools to becoming a 12-year NFL veteran, two-time Pro Bowler, and one of the most naturally gifted cornerbacks of his generation – Dominique Rogers-Cromartie's journey defies conventional wisdom about what it takes to make it in professional sports.

DRC pulls back the curtain on his remarkable path, revealing how he transformed from a 150-pound high schooler who major colleges wouldn't touch to a first-round NFL draft pick. The stories are as surprising as they are inspiring – from burning his redshirt on a single play to running a blistering 4.28 40-yard dash at the combine, from setting a record with a 99-yard pick-six to admitting he barely watched film throughout his entire career.

What makes this conversation truly special is DRC's candor about his approach to the game. While most elite athletes credit their film study and preparation, Rogers-Cromartie thrived almost entirely on raw talent and instinct. "I didn't learn what a three-step drop was until my fifth year in the league," he admits with a laugh. This revelation makes his 30 career interceptions all the more remarkable.

Beyond the highlights, DRC shares the challenging moments that shaped him – from locker room conflicts in Arizona to losing two Super Bowls, from battling injuries to finding meaning in coaching today's generation of athletes. His perspective on playing alongside legends like Peyton and Eli Manning, Kurt Warner, and Michael Vick offers rare glimpses into the personalities behind the helmets.

Whether you're a die-hard football fan or simply appreciate stories of perseverance and self-belief, DRC's journey reminds us that sometimes the most unconventional paths lead to extraordinary destinations. His parting advice? "You can't be afraid to fail... you got four years to change your life. Nothing worth having is easy."

Transcript

Introduction to Dominique Rogers-Cromartie

Speaker 1 0:00

Welcome back to another episode of Sports and Suits. We finally got the DRC man. Yes sir, Cheers to you, Cheers to you. Yes sir, Absolutely.

Speaker 2 0:07

Two-time pro bowler, 12 years in the NFL from Braynton.

Speaker 1 0:12

Florida Hall of Fame inductee. I mean shit we got Since 6-2.

Speaker 2 0:17

He had to move up the camera.

Speaker 1 0:20

But yeah, man, I mean I'm excited you're finally on here. Man, I know we've been texting back and forth trying to get you on. It's been a minute, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 3 0:26

Trying to get it.

Speaker 1 0:27

Absolutely, man. But yeah, I mean how we've kind of done this is, you know, just kind of let the guests kind of explain, kind of like from where they started from to kind of where they're at now and what they're doing now. Just kind of tell people, like obviously you're from Bradenton, kind of just go through the childhood and everything else, gotcha, gotcha.

Speaker 3 0:51

So Dominique Rogers, Cromartie, 4786, bradenton, florida. So growing up, you know rough childhood. I moved a lot. You know what I mean. That's why I went to five different high schools. You went to five high schools.

Speaker 1 1:02

Yeah, that's why I went to.

Speaker 3 1:04

I'm not mad, though, because if I had to do it all again, I'd still go back to HBC man.

Speaker 1 1:09

No shit yeah, can you talk about?

Speaker 2 1:11

that? That's fucking crazy. You didn't start until your senior year, right?

Speaker 3 1:15

That's when I got on the field. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So because my dad he'd been an AD, ad college coach for over 30 years. He's still an athletic director. So the thought process was to move to Orlando with him. So leaving from Brady's into Orlando, it's a bigger market. So when I got there I was undersized. So I went to Edgewater High School. It was good, we was going states back to back. I'm talking about when I got there. Them dudes was big but I was so fast and I had so much like competitiveness in me I made the team. So I knew I'm telling you people could tell you right now you should call me hot dog because they know during the second quarter I'm going to lead the game. Go to the consent, stand in full equipment and get me something to eat because I know my time. I know it's fourth quarter. We up by two and one points. I get in the game. That's when I get in the game.

Speaker 2 2:05

What about them? Fried bologna sandwiches, bro. That was in college. That was in college.

Speaker 3 2:09

That's funny as shit, yeah, man. So my dad was like all right, we're going to move you to Lake Highland Prep, so I would end up going to Lakeswater. So junior year I'm on the team. We only lost one game. We go to state, lose state in the final 10 seconds. The next year I'm like I'm going to stay here because now it's my time. I'm in my senior year. The coach came to me. He was like I got a safety younger guy. We're going to kind of put him in first. He's going to be back in a month. I'm like not in my last year. So I say I'm going to go back home. So I went back home to Bradenton. So now I'm back home, I'm at Lakewood Ranch.

Speaker 3 2:53

You know a school that just really opened. Yeah, yeah, you know we're not too good. We may have won five games, so I wasn't. But I knew the all-star guy down there from the Bradenton Sarasota all-star game. They let me in. My dad when he was coaching at Bethune-Cookman basketball. His roommate was the football defense coordinator so he came to that game. He was at Tennessee State at the time. He came to the game. I got in the fourth quarter. He said he seen me, somebody broke and I ran him down for like 20 yards and he was like man, I don't know nothing about you, but I know you can run, so I gave you the opportunity to come to TSU. So that's how I got to TSU.

Speaker 1 3:30

No shit man. That's freaking nuts yeah.

Speaker 3 3:33

And TSU was like the only offer, right, only offer. I tried to walk over to UCF and USL but they told me when they seen me. But they told me when they seen me, they were saying I was too small because I was 6'1" 150. I was real skinny back then, rob.

Speaker 2 3:47

Markman. Well, how much you weigh right now? Tj, I'm 210, 220. Rob Markman, so when you were playing in the NFL, I mean you were probably that weight, tj no 180. Rob Markman 180.

Speaker 3 3:56

180, 190.

Speaker 1 3:59

TJ no shit, man recruited in high school. I mean, you put weight on in college. That's just what you're supposed to. I mean, should I put on like 35 pounds in like a month and a half?

Speaker 2 4:08

you were a big boy I was playing at 250.

Speaker 1 4:11

Man well, I figured out.

Speaker 2 4:12

I was like, that's why you kept the beard so you can hide that chin I cannot run.

Speaker 1 4:18

you know jadavian clowning, I cannot run these guys, so I might as well be able to take a fucking hit, right, uh, but man, that's, I had no idea. So I mean, so you go able to take a fucking hit, but man, that's, I had no idea. So I mean, so you go up to Tennessee State, you know kind of talk about that, yeah man.

Speaker 3 4:30

Now that's when I always knew come tell you, even at Edgewood, everywhere I went, they'll tell you, man, that's why I took practice. I practiced with my game. You know, I had Mike Sims, walker, troy. I had a lot of guys in practice that played at the next level that I was going against and I was killing them. Man I'm talking about. They'll tell you I was a little pest. So that always stuck with me, that mindset. So when I get to Tennessee State you like a chip on your shoulder.

Speaker 1 4:53

I had a chip on my shoulder.

Speaker 3 4:55

They'll tell you. I got in a fight the first day. I was mad that I felt like everybody was sizing me and sleeping on me when I got there. That's why I wear the big numbers. When I got there the guys that's not highly recruited they put you in the line. You're in the equipment room, he digs in the hamper and he throw you a jersey. So when he threw me 45, I like threw it back. I was like nah.

Speaker 1 5:18

Coach, I'm not going to wear that.

Speaker 3 5:20

And then that's when he was like man, you ain't did nothing, you ain't did da-da. So I said cool In my mind I said y'all going to remember 45. So from that first day I'll never forget, coach Harris came in like two weeks later and said hey, man, that 45 got to be on that field somewhere because I was the only true freshman that came in and played. He said that 45, I think I ended camp with over. I used to get like three picks a day. I used to sit on stuff and go get it, man, and I never looked back. From that time I said man, don't worry about it. So I went into my first game, my first game I get to start it, which is the second game. Really I'm traveling, I ain't playing, but I'm traveling, I'm dressing. You know, back then, if you get one play, you bring your red.

Speaker 1 6:00

He burned his red shirt.

Speaker 3 6:01

Man. They threw me in the fourth quarter and I broke up a pass and that's how I burnt my red shirt. So the next game coach said, all right, we're going to give him a chance. The first play and I'll never forget, number four, jackson State, cleetus Gordon man. He took me on a 60-yard goal route. I barely missed the ball, tackled him right there. They kicked the field goal. I'm coming off on the sideline, I can hit up, cause they already think I'm the coach's nephew.

Speaker 3 6:24

So they already know what's going on. So they like that. Toul's all that friend man. He good, but he ain't ready. He ain't ready, he need his time. Man Coach, he gotta go through man. So I'm going through the game now. Man, they tried to run the hitch route. I jumped in and took a back four, picked six. No shit, man. I ain't looked back since.

Speaker 1 6:49

That's a freaking badass story, man, as a true freshman, I mean shit.

Speaker 2 6:53

Yeah, but also being from TCU and then getting drafted 16th overall, bro, in the 2008 draft, I mean were you expecting to be drafted that high?

From Bradenton to Five High Schools

Speaker 3 7:03

No, you know, nobody come out of there from that school. Like I'm going to tell you what helped me though the senior bowl. This the time they started letting small school kids in. Like that's why I tell my partner, mike James, I tell him all the time man, I appreciate y'all for dropping. Like a lot of people dropped out, they ain't dropped, they ain't want to play. Yeah, man, you was. I came the second to Ronnie McCullough from BCC, a defensive player of the year for D1AA kids, so they let me in and from that first practice on, man, I was killing them, I was picking them apart. I'm like so in my head I'm like, oh, I see the LSU, the USC's and all that. I say, man, they're not that, yeah.

Speaker 1 7:46

Yeah, somebody got to see me, man.

Speaker 3 7:48

Somebody got to see me, so I end up getting the defense MVP of the senior bowl.

Speaker 1 7:51

I mean that's freaking huge. I mean you don't see that very often.

Speaker 2 7:55

Well, now what you see are players dropping out of the senior bowl Right. Because they don't want to get injured before the draft or even maybe ruin an NIL deal for maybe another season.

Speaker 1 8:06

And I was just about to ask you what's your thoughts on NIL?

Speaker 3 8:08

I wish we would have had it, man, I'm telling you, man, I'm going to tell you why, especially in my predicament. Because you know, when I played, we played on BET. So I would have went to them, they would have had to see me. Hey man, I need all that man, I need all that, I need all that man, but I don't know, I don't know Me, back then you couldn't give me that kind of money. I ain't going to lie to you.

Speaker 1 8:29

I said the same thing. No, you couldn't give me that type of money, the exact same thing, and I wouldn't be here today. Right right, you're giving me what you're giving the. Let's say they give you three mil, yeah, back then.

Speaker 3 8:43

I ain't going to lie, man, I was in the cars back then. I'd have had to trick that ride. Oh man. I'd have had to close. Oh man, they couldn't have gave it. I'm telling you.

Speaker 2 8:52

Buying a house wasn't even in the cards. Wasn't even in the cards Damn.

Speaker 3 8:55

My thought process nah, nah See, nah, not back then. No, I ain't thinking about nothing but cars and clothes back then.

Speaker 2 9:07

Well, I'll tell you what I would have bought If I was a football player back then in college hookers and cocaine dog.

Speaker 1 9:14

I'm sure there was plenty of that going on, man.

Speaker 2 9:16

You know what I'm trying to tell you? Was it, Was it Yo? They drug testing in college? Heck yeah.

Speaker 3 9:23

They do.

Speaker 2 9:24

Absolutely what like once a week.

Speaker 3 9:26

Nah, it wasn't that frequent.

Speaker 2 9:27

I mean I don't think they were testing for blow in college it was more like weed, weed, that's it, and PEDs probably right.

Speaker 1 9:35

That was the NCAA would test for steroids and shit. Yeah, yeah, but the school would test randomly.

Speaker 2 9:40

I mean, there could be players out there coked out on the field, nobody would know.

Speaker 3 9:45

No, absolutely not. Fast PEDs right there, they wouldn't know. They wouldn't know. Yeah, they wouldn't know, right, right.

Speaker 2 9:52

I think you would know Right, they'd be smacking their lips Right.

Speaker 1 9:57

But man, all right, so you got drafted 16th overall. I mean, what was that process like? So you went okay, let's take it back. You have a couple guys that opt out of the senior bowl. They let you in. You fucking have that same chip on your shoulder. Win defensive player of the game for that bowl deal. Now take us through draft prep. What did you do?

Speaker 3 10:19

Did you do the combo? Yeah, before I even went to the senior bowl, I didn't even finish school. That's what took me so long to finish school, I didn't finish school. So after the last game I just left and took, I withdrew from all my classes and I went down to Tom Saw Okay, yep, and I. Just I was the only one there until everybody got out of school in December and January. So I just worked with me and Tom Shaw and the guys that was just there with them. But man, I was just grinding, grinding, grinding, went to senior bowl, got the MVP of that. Then I got the call to go to the combine. See, now, that's when I knew I was gonna open some eyes. That's the playground for me.

Speaker 2 10:56

Running and jumping.

Speaker 3 10:57

I do that all day. That's what I do. So I knew I had a chance, so going in. And then I got this see, I'm real big on looking at okay, that's who's in front of me. I'm real good at assessing people that's in front of me. So I was saying in my head like, oh no, I didn't think I was gonna go first round, but I knew they had to come see me that first day.

Speaker 1 11:17

Yeah.

Speaker 2 11:17

When was your 40?

Speaker 3 11:18

428.

Speaker 2 11:21

Seriously.

Speaker 1 11:21

Yeah.

Speaker 2 11:22

Holy shit, dude yeah.

Speaker 1 11:24

Are you kidding me?

Speaker 2 11:25

Holy shit, yeah, I ran a 40 out in the parking lot and I think I ran it at like 12.5.

Speaker 3 11:31

Oh no, nah, you walking.

Speaker 1 11:36

Well, I'm glad you brought that up, because I did want to ask you I know we ask a bunch of guys that play professionally Did you play other sports growing up? I mean, obviously you did. I know you're playing basketball a lot now. You did track and-.

Speaker 3 11:48

I did track at school and college too.

Speaker 1 11:51

Oh shit.

Speaker 3 11:51

I was. I made it all the way to regionals. I'm gonna say this now cause coach don't know, but when I got there I had the opportunity to go to nationals but football was right around the corner. So I went and jumped bad on purpose, like seriously. I was like man, I ain't finna keep going. I had to keep going Because coaches I ain't going to lie they wasn't big on two sports at the time, so I had to pick and choose. I mean, were you running?

Speaker 2 12:14

100, 200, 400?.

Speaker 3 12:16

Yeah, I was, but we qualified in the 4x1. I didn't really do like open events. Open events, my thing was jumping Low, jump, triple jump, high jump Hurdles.

Speaker 2 12:23

No, no, no, You're talking about with the bar. Yeah, that's all I did. What's your record PR? Seven foot, seven feet, yeah God.

Speaker 3 12:37

You jump over me, me and you combined, I can get off that ground a little bit, I mean.

Speaker 2 12:40

But there's really no money in track and field unless you're like an Usain Bolt bro, right, right, yeah, I mean.

Speaker 1 12:45

I mean, I'm sure there is a little bit more now.

Speaker 2 12:47

It is.

Speaker 1 12:48

NIL and sponsors and shit.

Speaker 2 12:50

Yeah, ah, man, I don't know, compared to football, bro, I don't know.

Speaker 1 12:55

The highest paid NIL athlete of all time is Olivia Dunn.

Speaker 2 12:59

Yeah, well, they're paying her for her ass, bro. No shit. Not because she's good at gymnastics, no shit.

Speaker 1 13:05

I'm just saying like there's a lot of money to be made out there regardless. Alright, so then, when did you decide? You're kind of focusing on one like when did you give up basketball?

Speaker 3 13:16

My sophomore year in college. Oh, you were playing in college I went out for the team because I told you my dad had been around basketball the whole time so the dude when he was at South Carolina State, the dude that he was assisted to. He got the job at Tennessee State and he had me come out. But it was the same time as track so I had to pick one or the other. So I went out for the basketball team and I was going to run track. So I went and ran track.

Speaker 1 13:42

I mean, you don't see many three-sport athletes in college. But even much less. Two-sport is crazy.

Speaker 2 13:48

So then you got an offer for track basketball and football for TSU no just football, oh, just football.

Speaker 3 13:55

I'm going to tell you how I made the track team. God, I'm going to tell you the truth, me and my friends. So they had what we call open invitations so you could just go run. So I didn't know the track team was going to be there. So Vanderbilt, which is right down the street, was having a four-by-one relay competition. So I told me, and three of my football friends, we're like man, let's put a team together, man, and go out there and run, man.

Speaker 3 14:18

So we entered as TSU, not knowing that they was going to be there. So when we lined up and stuff, so the track coach was like hey, man, what y'all doing? Like y'all can't be named TSU, like that's us. So he was. So we was like dang. So they were finna, put us out. So we had to come up with another name. And I was glad we was in their heat because I went and got that. Oh, I went and got their last leg. Oh, I went and got them. I went and got them. So the coach was like man, we're going to give y'all a chance to come run for us. So we go to MTSU. They got another event. Man, he don't give us no spikes, no uniforms, no nothing, we just out there.

Speaker 3 14:55

So we didn't bring nothing because we thinking we on the team he's like no y'all got to prove yourself somebody's bikes or uniform off the team and I went and broke their 60 record. I went and broke their 60 record and then Kobe was like, oh yeah, you can come run for us and I've been running track of air, since that's freaking crazy man I mean.

Speaker 1 15:11

So it sounds like for the most part, everybody's always doubting you.

Speaker 3 15:15

Yeah, see, that's why I'm big on just opportunity, that's why I just be working, working. I be telling kids, man, don't worry about it, if you just keep grinding, opportunity got to come at some point. And when it come man, you better do it.

Speaker 1 15:27

You got to take advantage of it, Absolutely I mean we talked about that with a guy we had last week, john Odom, who played tight end at Florida. I mean he said the same thing. Like you know, I never had a shot of them. When I did get a shot, I was mentally prepared, I was physically prepared. So I know we talked off camera. But you're coaching at Bayshore Yep, bayshore with my old teammate A Sanders yes, sir, old Tracy, yeah, so yeah, I mean how's that? I mean, are you kind of instilling that same mindset to these kids? I mean you got to, but these kids nowadays are a lot different than when we were out.

Speaker 3 15:58

dude, I'm telling you I have to have talks with different people to try to get to understand them, because they just man the work ethic just ain't done no more. And I keep trying to tell them man, in this generation, effort alone is going to beat a lot of people. Man, you can stay by just outworking people, man.

Speaker 1 16:16

A hundred percent.

Speaker 3 16:17

Man, they so, but they starting to buy in though, because they keep coming back. See, you keep coming back. That means you starting to buy in, but it surely is a process, man, because I'd be wanting to cuss at it.

Speaker 2 16:28

The majority of them probably, are just saying yo, how do I get that NIL, how do I get that NIL? And that's all they care about. So then they start with social media accounts and they're like okay, now I'm popular.

Speaker 3 16:41

They're killing me shit, though right.

Breaking Through at Tennessee State

Speaker 1 16:42

Yeah, oh yeah, it drives me crazy seeing some of these kids that come out to like the training or whatever, imagine they're just sitting there and just kind of like this, like looking up at this guy, I'm like dude, what the fuck are you looking at, right? Right, what's going on over there? Like listen, I'm going to take your money regardless, right? And it drives me crazy and it's like dude. You guys have no idea how fortunate you are. I didn't do any of this training when I was your age.

Speaker 1 17:08

No, no, I'm giving you my time to try to tell you how this shit's supposed to go Right. Take advantage of it, man, right.

Speaker 2 17:15

Take advantage of it, and I guess in that respect. Does that mean that athletes are not going to be as good as former athletes five years ago, 10 years ago, 10 years ago when there was no NIL around? When they're not doing that, when they're not digging around on their phones and they're not posting on social media, can you now compare the two athletes generationally and say, yo, the best has already passed.

Speaker 3 17:37

I don't know. Because you still have people that are just God-given yeah. You know what I mean. You still, you're going to always have that. But like I tell, cause me and my son just got to argue about that Yesterday he was at my game. He was like yeah, we're definitely. I say I'm going to beat y'all just cause I'm going to bully y'all for real. Y'all way softer you might have the more nah, cause the way they training and stuff they get they got.

Speaker 2 18:00

they might I know I am I promise you.

Speaker 3 18:01

I am. So the skill set, it's just. I think the mentality is different. The mentality is definitely different.

Speaker 1 18:08

I think the mentality is different A hundred percent. It's like you don't want to be here or you want to be here. There's no, there's no there's no gray area.

Speaker 2 18:14

You can't just dip your toe, Talk me that I think they ain't raising killers.

Speaker 1 18:21

also that you know being on the phone and they're like seeing guys painting their fingernails and toenails and shit.

Speaker 2 18:26

I don't know what that's about, man, it's just.

Speaker 1 18:28

I just dude, like you said, I mean, people are just softer than baby shit. Now it drives me fucking crazy. I know it's gotta drive ace crazy especially being like so you're, oh yeah, I mean dude. If my son wasn't playing at Jefferson his senior year, I totally I was like dude. Anytime you want me to come down there, I'll fucking come help coach up those guys.

Speaker 2 18:48

So do you play?

Speaker 3 18:49

Sickles?

Speaker 1 18:50

No, oh yeah, sickles isn't there no Bayshore, that's down there.

Speaker 2 18:54

Bayshore is in South Tampa isn't it no? No no. Down at Bradyton. Oh, oh, okay, never never mind.

Speaker 1 19:00

Yeah, there's Bayshore Christian or Bayshore Catholic man.

Speaker 2 19:03

I was thinking about Bayshore Boulevard for whatever reason, I know, but there's, but that's playing high school right over there.

Speaker 1 19:07

Yeah, but there's a there's a Bayshore Catholic or Christian or something on where you're talking about. Yeah, but I saw you guys just got a new field, huh, yeah.

Speaker 3 19:15

I don't know, everybody like turf, I like grass man. I'm my buddy.

Speaker 1 19:20

Cliff sells turf and fucking hates when like especially pro guys.

Speaker 3 19:25

Pro guys, all fucking hate it. Yeah, I hate turf.

Speaker 2 19:27

man, Wait, didn't you play on turf?

Speaker 1 19:28

Yeah, I hate it though.

Speaker 2 19:29

Arizona right, I mean shit, that's all you played on at home games.

Speaker 3 19:34

At least that's lit man. I like to stick that foot in that ground, come on.

Speaker 1 19:38

It is nine-day different playing on turf. You could have the best turf out there. It's not the same as playing on grass.

Speaker 2 19:44

Well, I mean, it's easier to get injured too, right. No shit because your foot is yeah, it's all over the place?

Speaker 1 19:51

I don't, I know, I just installed turf in my backyard, but it ain't for running around and doing it.

Speaker 3 19:56

It's just for you know, aesthetics, I did the same thing. That's crazy for us.

Speaker 1 20:00

Yeah, so you're living in Parrish now. Yeah, okay, how's that?

Speaker 3 20:03

Man, I love it, man. It's nice man. It's closer down there than driving from Tampa back to Bayshore every day.

Speaker 1 20:09

Where were?

Speaker 3 20:10

you at in Tampa, wesley Chapel oh shit, that's where I live.

Speaker 1 20:14

Yeah, Wesley Chapel to Bradenton would be. What is that that's got to be.

Speaker 3 20:21

I saw it that practice. I don't like seeing the traffic like that.

Speaker 2 20:24

You talking about practice?

Speaker 3 20:26

I don't like seeing that Anything after 3.30 coming from Braden.

Speaker 1 20:30

Oh, you're cooks, Absolutely cooks. But yeah, man. So like, what else is going on with? Like Bayshore and everything else? Like you said, the team had 23 true freshmen or regular freshmen in high school.

Speaker 3 20:43

Because, like me and H, first we started off with a seven on seven. So we took all the kids down there that wasn't playing seven on seven and I was telling H because you know how guys do they get this guy, that guy, the five star? I told her I said no, you ain't finna, just throw it to your five star. Think you just, finna, beat me like that.

Speaker 3 21:01

We finna scheme people. So, man, we took our little 7-on-7 team from nothing man, to being ranked in the nation Like we go to tournaments. Everybody say they go blitz. They go because they know we fast and we play hard. That's one thing. I cope, man. So it was like man, let's do the high school, man. That's night and day. That ain't like 7-on-7.

Speaker 3 21:19

Man listen, man, listen 11 guys working as one unit man. That's tough man, because it's all. But I'm glad we got that when they're young, right, we got more freshmen than anything. We only had what? Two seniors last year, we only got like a couple, this year maybe two. So we really get to build a program. Yeah, so I'm loving that part of it Kind of mold it

Speaker 2 21:40

and yeah.

Speaker 3 21:45

Right. Did you guys play in the NFL flag championships just recently? That was on ESPN. No, we played in the one that come in Tampa, the big one, what was it called, I think, the Sandlot. They had the NFL one throw. Yeah, we back-to-back champs in that one.

Speaker 1 21:54

There's so many different seven-on-seven and we keep playing St Thomas Aquinas every year.

Speaker 3 21:58

We always see them. No shit, yeah, but that 7-on-7 is big man. I just can't believe they're getting ranked off 7-on-7. You're getting five full stars off 7-on-7.

Speaker 2 22:09

Does that teach bad mechanics, though I think so.

Speaker 1 22:12

Because I mean, you're not expecting a hit.

Speaker 2 22:14

You're expecting someone to pull a flag. I mean, at the same time it's not as physical Offensive guys it does.

Speaker 3 22:22

See my defense. I think I like seven on seven because it teaches you how to really drop in your zones and get your head on the swivel, because my guys like to stay right here and I'm like man bro, the routes we're in behind. You got to learn how to. So, defense, I think it helps you. I'd agree with that. In zone, but offensively you know you ain't going to get hit.

Speaker 1 22:40

Yeah, I'm doing all kinds of. Yeah, I'm jumping as high as I can across the middle, but what about for tackling?

Speaker 2 22:45

I mean, they ain't wrapping up over there, yeah, and then see where they seven.

Speaker 3 22:49

It's high school seven on seven. They're from my seven on seven, see, because in our seven on seven you still got to break down and know how to pull that flag. So it help you with your tackling. But out there you just. He's bad, that's two-handed touchdown.

Speaker 2 23:02

One-handed. One-handed.

Speaker 1 23:03

It's one-handed.

Speaker 2 23:04

That's fucking stupid. Yeah, it's one-handed.

Speaker 1 23:10

It's a different whole.

Speaker 3 23:11

It's a whole different deal I was with Team Tampa for. Oh yeah, grady, though A while ago. Yeah, shady, grady man, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 23:18

That's how I arrived was man, yeah, no, but yeah, that was with them for I think like three or four years yeah, about three or four years ago, and I just couldn't do it anymore. Man, it's different. Man, it's so different, it's so different. But with that man I think we're going to take a quick little break. I want to give a quick little shout-out to Nectar and New York. New York Pizza, yes, sir, and my man man. All right, well, we'll take a quick little break. Don't forget. Like, comment, subscribe, share, get your notifications on Sean. You got the rest of this breakdown. I don't know how to do all the whole deal.

Speaker 2 23:49

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Speaker 1 24:00

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Speaker 1 24:36

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Speaker 1 25:55

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Speaker 3 27:00

How much do you hate?

Speaker 2 27:01

Ben Roethlisberger Nah, nah, I ain't even lying man. Hey, yo, I wanted to dive into it, dog, yeah, that was. Come on now.

Speaker 3 27:04

We should have worn that, though, man.

Speaker 2 27:06

Yeah.

Speaker 3 27:07

It came down to just understanding your assignment man. That one play man, but we should have worn it.

Speaker 2 27:13

Y'all had Kurt Warner back then, right, yeah, yep, kurt, kurt Warner, already a Super Bowl champ, greatest show on turf with the Rams. I mean, he had a hell of a team.

Speaker 1 27:24

I was about to say he had some pretty good receivers. Yeah, he had Isaac Bruce, he also had.

Speaker 3 27:28

Marshall Falk.

Speaker 2 27:30

Yeah, and the defense was good too. But AZ man, they come out, they kind of shocked. And who was your coach, man?

Speaker 1 27:39

Ken Winsor Hunt. Ken Winsor Hunt, ken Winsor Hunt. Yeah, he was telling me a little something there. I mean, you got to hear this shit, sean. I'm excited about it. What?

Speaker 2 27:47

is it?

Speaker 3 27:47

What is it, man, the reason why I got traded from Arizona? You know. So, like you say, first year we come out hot, go to the Super Bowl. Second year, we go to the second round playoffs, go to the Super Bowl. Second year, we go to the second round playoffs. I remember that we had that shootout with Green Bay Packers and Aaron Rodgers Beat them. Go to the Saints, we lose. So now, in the third year, you know what I'm saying. Now, mind you, when I come in, I'm coming in hot-headed. You know what I mean. I'm coming in not knowing nothing. I don't know nothing about the business. All I know is play football, hang out and go home. That's all I know. So I've been doing that for three years. So now, in the third year, you know when you're losing. Everybody gets to doing this.

Speaker 2 28:27

Now I'm telling you, I'm not doing nothing.

Speaker 3 28:29

I haven't been doing One thing about me. I pride myself. I ain't gonna never miss practice, I ain't gonna come late, I ain't gonna miss a meeting, none of that. Nah. So we in our third year, maybe about the third, fourth game coach called me out of practice. He said I need to talk to you. He bring me upstairs Now we in a meeting. So he say man, I got some guys that don't want to play with you. They saying that you got the big head, this, that and third. Now, mind you, now I'm real big on brotherhood. I pride myself on being there for you. I'm telling you, if you ain't got it, I got it, man, you got it, I'm big on that.

Speaker 3 29:04

So I was so confused Like huh, what you mean? Because ain't nobody ever pulled me to the side and say, hey, man, this, that and third, you got to go by yourself doing this, that Ain't nobody ever tell me that we win it, I'm balling, so that it's just everything good. But now that we losing, now they starting to say, man, drc ain't doing it, he ain't doing that. But nobody ever came to me who was saying that. He never. He just said players. So me, you know this be my whole this, how I be, my whole life. You know what I mean, because I never had that mentor to tell me Bill, this is a business, bill about your business, go away this way. So me, I handle stuff right now.

Speaker 3 29:42

So I told Coach. I said, man, hold on, man, I'm going to come right back and holler at you. Man, mind you, y'all in the meeting right Looking at that film over at Pratt, da-da-da-da-da-da. And somebody just kicked the whole door in. I just went downstairs and boom, everybody. What I said man, what's up? Man, y'all don't want to play at me. I'm talking about, I'm going now. So everybody like man, what are you talking about? What are you talking about? So I had a little my homeboy, Mike Adams. He was older than me. He was like yeah, yeah, nah, nah, y'all talk. Nice, y'all got his attention, dude.

Speaker 3 30:11

Y'all got his attention play at me. I left. I ain't even want to play. I turned Rob Markman Left team media. Rob Markman no, I left the team. Rob Markman Left the team. Rob Markman oh, I was done with football, rob Markman. So you hit up your agent and you were like Rob Markman, I ain't mean nothing to me. When you Try me, I'm scraped. Who do you think it was? I don't even know, I don't even want to know.

Speaker 2 30:46

Come on Speculate, speculate, bro. And we were like this I don't want to know, I'm telling everybody no, no, no. You think it was like that.

Speaker 1 30:57

I thought it was like that.

Speaker 3 30:59

I know it because we still talk to each other. Come on, you got one name in your head, I know you do. I'm going to tell you I had to call my dog and apologize to him. I thought it was down there in the docket, because he's always messing with me he's always making me try to carry the soda pad and stuff so I thought it was him. That's what I really thought. It was smoke with him. But he was like man. Come on, bro, we talk. He was like man, come on, man, you, my dog. Like da-da-da-da-da, but he never came out, rob.

Speaker 1 31:22

Markman, you think it was maybe the coaches trying to get you to play hard on you, coach Kidd.

Speaker 3 31:26

Bro, coaches won't do that, will they?

Speaker 2 31:33

Rob Markman you can't go about it like that with me, coaches definitely lie.

Speaker 1 31:38

Yeah, you don't think? Coaches fucking lie.

Speaker 3 31:40

I mean, I never played football, all they had to do was say, hey, man, do this. That I'm telling you I didn't have no mentor, Nobody was teaching me the game. They just know it was just a raw talent. I'm telling you, let him do what he do. Right, I'm telling you, we're being deep as a meat, we're we going over the deep end. Man, let him do what he do. Man, I'm telling you, that's always been it. Let him do what he do.

Speaker 3 32:02

That's why I wasn't never good in like, systematic, Like. When I got to the Giants, people want to say I played good. But when I watched Favs nine days and understand his system and why he wanted me to press, it all made sense. But I'm not a system guy, Right, Like you. Me, within your system, I'm not going to go off the rocker, but I know how. Like I tell you, when I train corners, I tell all of them you're your own corner, You're your own person. You can't pedal how I pedal. So I give you certain mechanics, but you got to make it work for you.

Speaker 3 32:31

These are puppies. You got to train them to become German shepherds. And when they become German shepherds, when you on the field you be done slitting and turning and did stuff, you be like why I did it? Because you don't work them so much. Yeah, so I'm big on that. But nobody tell me. So I'm like, all right, cool man. So I left. That's crazy. I missed a couple days of practice. I ain't going back. My mind's set, I'm cool, I. So before I see him, the coach come the defensive back. He said, hey, man, you got too much upside man.

Speaker 2 33:05

You just can't let it go like that.

Speaker 3 33:06

Yeah, he's upside, I'm like man, I ain't trying to hit none of it man, he be like man. What I could do is I could trade you. So when I got traded, everybody like whoa, what's going?

Speaker 1 33:14

on. I didn't know I was getting traded. So you got traded in the middle of your third year.

Speaker 3 33:17

Nah, they waited until the whole season out, so I went back and finished the season out so you can understand how hard locker room was. The last seven eight games.

Speaker 1 33:25

That's what I'm saying.

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Speaker 3 33:25

I'm sitting here like I don't want to talk to nobody Like man I ain't so. That's when it became oh, he's not coached me, he's hard. It ain't that I won't coach man. I don't like to joke around when we're losing. I don't like to lose, point blank, period. Right. I'm like that to this day Don't play at me if we losing man. So they took it the wrong way. So now I get to do the Eagles. I'm thinking I got a fresh start. I'm like, okay, you get a fresh start and you with the Eagles? Oh man, I got Sante Sanders.

Speaker 1 33:59

the Sons accent Is Sante, the one that's talking shit to you yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Who's he talking shit about?

Speaker 3 34:04

The uh yeah, that's me, they be going back and forth.

Speaker 1 34:07

Those Instagrams are great.

Speaker 3 34:10

I can tell you this Sante's severely underrated. Oh yeah, I think he's severely under 5'8".

Speaker 1 34:17

I didn't realize that.

Speaker 3 34:17

And he got over 50 picks Okay.

Speaker 2 34:19

Come on, man, that's. I mean corners, I mean height really isn't a thing, it's about having a good height. Wait, what the fuck?

Speaker 3 34:26

You just heard it.

Speaker 1 34:27

You just heard it 5'8" 50 picks. Yeah, how many picks do you got? That's.

Speaker 3 34:36

That's.

Speaker 2 34:36

Height is a huge fucking thing. Yeah, it do, because you got 30 picks right. Yeah, 6'2".

Speaker 3 34:41

Yes, sir, yeah, but they don't.

Speaker 1 34:43

They didn't throw to him as much.

Speaker 2 34:44

Oh, hello See that's what people don't understand. They were scared of you. That's why. So if I see a shorter guy, well hey, he does have a Versus a taller corner opportunity, correct?

Speaker 3 34:57

Kurt Warner taught me that early, man, because we be in practice, you know how you have two minutes real and stuff like that. Yeah.

Speaker 1 35:02

And I used to always ask.

Speaker 3 35:03

I said, man, bro, you don't never come over here. He said, man, I treat it like game. I'm not going to come over there in the game. So, I stay away from you in practice, and I never understood it until I treated it like game time. Rob Markman, yeah when you were playing for the.

Speaker 2 35:21

Eagles. It was probably the easiest game to play against the Bucs because during that time, the Bucs sucked between 2010 and I think, like Rob Markman no, rob Markman, yeah, josh Freeman, bro that was Freeman Rob Markman.

Speaker 3 35:34

That's when they bought Vincent Jackson and all them over there, rob Markman.

Speaker 2 35:39

Okay, mean that's fine.

Speaker 3 35:40

They was all right. They was all right. They was all right. They wasn't bad, but they weren't wrong, but they was all right.

Speaker 2 35:45

Greg Sciano was the coach. I mean, it wasn't really a power offense. Y'all beat us like every single time yeah but it went like that.

Speaker 1 35:55

I don't think it's ever like that. I'm a Bucs fan. I mean, it's the NFL, it's the top of the top.

Speaker 3 35:59

Nobody is not you know, remember, they called us the dream team, the. What the dream team we had? Michael Vick, vince Young.

Speaker 2 36:08

You played with Michael Vick. Yeah, Holy shit bro.

Speaker 3 36:12

Yeah.

Speaker 2 36:14

That went downhill fast.

Speaker 1 36:15

Yeah, so tell us about you. Know, so you go from you. Finish your third year with Arizona.

Speaker 3 36:20

And I get traded to the Eagles. Everybody's shocked Like how they trade him. He was this that he's leading in picks every year.

Speaker 2 36:26

Pick six is all kind of 99 yards I got in that trouble.

Speaker 3 36:29

So now I get up, I think I'm getting a fresh start. I'm like, okay, whoo, I get to play Asante Sam. I'm looking at him like he's a goat in my eyes because I love his game. He play like me. Man, we're going to go for it. We're going to take our chances. You're going to have to double move us, and when you do it, sometimes it's the home run. So then I get to camp. The same day they signed Nnamdi Asanwa.

Speaker 1 36:51

Oh, that's right. So I'm sitting there like From the.

Speaker 3 36:55

Raiders right, yeah, I'm thinking we all fit a compete for a starting Zod. Nah, they just gave it A. Zod was already there, so they gave it a nominate because they gave him like 64 million. So now I'm just sitting there like what they finna do with me. So then that's when they decided to put me in the nickel man. I'm 6'3". I'm not supposed to be inside, Ain't nothing wrong with it, but that's not my game. I'm an outside corner. I know how to sit out there and assess stuff.

Speaker 1 37:18

So, man, it was just I never really had that, how tall was.

Speaker 3 37:23

Asaman, he about 6'4". No, he tall, he tall to me, he about a little bit tall to me. No shit, okay, and Asant wasn't going in there, he'll tell you that right now he wasn't going in there.

Speaker 3 37:33

I made it work, but I feel like I real opportunity to get there. And then the next year they let Asante go, he go to Atlanta. So now it's just me and Nnamdi. But we weren't one of the bad teams Like we weren't playing good. So my five years was up. So now I'm on a new contract, so that's why I signed him one year to Denver. We go to the Super Bowl.

Speaker 1 37:55

Oh, so you were there with D-Stew. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I played with him at South Carolina.

Speaker 3 38:00

No, I was there when we lost the Super Bowl, not when we won it. Oh, okay, when we lost it to Seattle. Seattle, yeah, yeah, they still scoring man. They beat the mess out of us that night man. Yeah, you ever heard how they say football is rigged and all this.

Speaker 2 38:17

Yeah, it's scripted, it's rigged and all this, yeah, it's scripted, it's scripted.

Speaker 3 38:19

If at one time I thought it was, I thought it was, then bro, I ain't going to lie to you. Bro, I call my brother. I say man, peyton Manning, going to have to see me after the game. Bro, I ain't going to lie to you. Come and tell you why. Peyton, you know I's a bro.

Speaker 3 38:33

Yeah, if God bless his name, dt or Air Decker drop too many passes in practice, we starting the whole thing over. Like bro, I used to get mad because we didn't have no indoor facility and we out there in the cold. So I used to get mad when they don't practice well, because we going to start the whole thing over. And he had that kind of rank, I'm telling you, he won us 10 games by himself. So when we get in the Super Bowl, granted, you have bad snaps. First one go over your head, but for him not. We only put up like three points. No, somebody got to tell me something different. I don't care how good Seattle defense was, I've seen this man every day. He's like that. But you know, you had him game sometimes. But if you want, and that's scripted, but I felt like man, we could be away from that Now something ain't right.

Speaker 2 39:22

Was that the season where he got injured towards the end of the season?

Speaker 1 39:26

and then came back. No, I think he had, like the record-breaking season right 50 touchdowns or whatever it was Who'd you guys play against Seattle Se?

Speaker 2 39:33

Wilson yeah they was on a different vibe Pete.

Speaker 3 39:37

Carroll, I'm like man, we can't even get a first.

Speaker 1 39:42

That was an ass-whipping. Yeah, oh yeah. Alright, so you spend the year in Denver. And then what?

Speaker 2 39:48

Damn honestly, let's talk about this man. You're five years in and you've lost two Super Bowls. Yeah, I'm 0-2.

Speaker 3 39:54

Bro, that's gotta be demoralizing. 0'm not trying to say to be a dick, I just mean like holy fuck Most players go to Korea.

Speaker 1 40:04

That's what I'm saying.

Speaker 2 40:05

Most players don't get a chance to go there. I know that's my point Most players don't. You've done it twice in five years.

Speaker 3 40:11

The first one was yeah, that hurt. The second one we really got what. It wasn't even I'd rather get what than to lose on the last play, type 100%.

Speaker 2 40:20

And then you go to the Giants right.

Speaker 3 40:22

Yeah, I go to the Giants.

Speaker 2 40:23

Eli Manning's the quarterback.

Speaker 3 40:25

Yeah, them, two different dudes, man, I'm telling them. Two different dudes them night and day, Both of them jokesters. Now Both of them play around a lot, but Peyton ain't playing like that. Damn. You play with both brothers. Eli's goofy, that's pretty crazy. Eli type you in the shower together, y'all joking that. He do dumb stuff Like y'all. You go out there. You could. Peyton, you scared to walk up to his locker and talk to him. Eli, you gonna walk up to him and just have a conversation with him and stuff. Man, Like them night and day.

Speaker 1 40:52

Okay, well, let me ask you this which one would you prefer? Which kind of quarterback would you prefer in your locker room?

Speaker 3 41:00

He's not more goofy man.

Speaker 1 41:02

But if I'm on that field, I got to take Peyton, that's what.

Speaker 3 41:06

I'm saying I got to take Peyton on that field.

Speaker 2 41:09

Eli's got more Super Bowls doesn't he?

Speaker 3 41:10

Yeah, yeah, but I'm telling you.

Speaker 1 41:14

It was scripted, though the Giants were scripted, yeah definitely Nah Nah. But all right. So, man, that's Because Eli's got three right, peyton's got two, two, he got two, eli's got two, both against Brady, oh, both of them have two, oh so. Peyton's got two yeah.

Speaker 3 41:31

Indianapolis. Oh, that's right, that's right, that's right.

Speaker 2 41:34

You almost forget that he played for the Colts.

Speaker 1 41:37

Yeah, I know, yeah, no, that he played for the Colts. Yeah, I know no shit. So then you're with the Giants and Eli and kind of take us through that whole. The Giants was you were with the Broncos for a year.

Speaker 3 41:46

Yeah, one year, just one, Yep, one year.

Speaker 1 41:49

And then, what'd you sign for? And you remember that.

Speaker 3 41:51

So they offered me the 60 million. So but I turned it down, not trying to get no more money. It was well, everybody know I told you I was a hothead back then. So they was kind of protecting themselves. Like they give me this contract but you try to just give me a million dollar sign up on it. You know you got to get some money up front. So I turned it down. And then before I can get negotiations to leave, they signed to leave right after for like $63 million. So I was like cool. So now I'm in New York, I'm at the Jets facility first, I'm going through with just the Jets and the Giants. So when I leave the Jets I go to the Giants and I'm getting antsy at this point I'm like God damn. And then I already had my boy Antrell over there, so he really taught me to come over there. So as soon as I signed a deal with the Giants, the Jets offered me like $50-something million.

Speaker 3 42:47

Guaranteed no not.

Speaker 1 42:49

That's how I was going to say it.

Speaker 2 42:50

Guaranteed.

Speaker 3 42:53

I took five years for it from the Giants.

Speaker 2 43:01

When the Jets came back and offered me more, the reason I just I was getting asked. You know you're supposed to wait it out, but I'm like, nah, I mean nobody wants to play for the Jets, bro, nah I.

Speaker 3 43:06

I Come on now. My cousin was over there. You got Rivas Cromartie. My job is easy over there.

Speaker 2 43:10

Darrell Rivas was there, I think, during that time he was like who's that?

Speaker 3 43:13

really he left.

Speaker 2 43:14

I was going over there, yeah, yeah, yeah he played for the bucks for like two or three years yeah but see, I was slowing down when I got an offer, he said they gave me the game plan.

Speaker 3 43:36

He said I want to use you like this. He say I want to use you like this. You're going to try to feel cool, but zero coverage everywhere you go. Nah, I'm a man to man corner. I hate zone, but I ain't going to play zero the whole game. I don't know, no, no, no, no, no. So I was kind of iffy. Well, what's the difference between man and zero? I know where my help come from. Okay, I can get.

Speaker 1 43:56

I can get that line back, so you can kind of push them. Yeah, see, that's zero.

Speaker 3 43:59

That's a two-way goal. That's hard, that's hard, that's hard, that's hard. I remember we did that when I was in the Eagles. I'll never forget First quarter, brandon Marshall man. By the second quarter I told Colt man, bort Mitchell, we ain't going to get out this coverage, colt. But it's a grown man out here, man, it's no, no.

Speaker 1 44:20

I mean, but the majority of coverages in the NFL is one right Cover one.

Speaker 2 44:25

I mean how much? Well, why didn't you become a receiver instead of a corner?

Speaker 3 44:30

No, in Arizona See, I got three passes from Kurt Warner. Nobody really know that yeah.

Speaker 1 44:34

Yeah, they had me line up.

Speaker 3 44:35

I line up at fullback. I motion that.

Speaker 1 44:37

I do remember him lining up at fullback.

Speaker 3 44:38

I do remember seeing that I line up, motion that to the right side. If he playing me off, I run it down. If he trying to press me, I'm running right by him. I tell Kirk, take that, he can hit that. Just let you not overthrow me. Just let it go. Let it fucking go. I'll tell you what man, here I am fucking having a podcast with you, man, yes, sir.

Speaker 1 44:59

Drinking a little vodka. Wow, that's freaking awesome, alright, so then tuck us through your time with the Giants, with the Giants yeah, I forgot that man. You have the video.

Speaker 2 45:12

Of what. No I was just looking up his receiving sense.

Speaker 3 45:16

When I was with my first year there, I was fined so much and they were telling me about Coughlin, coach Coughlin.

Speaker 1 45:23

Tom Coughlin was there, yeah, he was tough man. What were the fines?

Speaker 3 45:30

You couldn't leave your hotel room. You know how you go. Yeah, you couldn't leave your hotel room without a college shirt and slacks on.

Speaker 2 45:36

What's wrong with that?

Speaker 3 45:37

No man.

Speaker 2 45:39

You go out of town. You don't remember when Michael Jordan was playing bro, that motherfucker, Scottie Pippen, they all showed up with suits and ties. Oh yeah, yeah, that's what he said. That's what he said.

Speaker 3 45:50

Once you check in the hotel room. Now you finna go out and sit, you gotta have on a collar shirt and stuff. I think that's fair, no.

Speaker 2 45:58

You're representing the franchise man? No, he was saying that.

Speaker 3 46:00

Yeah, that's what I'm saying I didn't understand it. Then Now I understand that he said he's grooming young men for outside of life. But when you playing, I'm not that I'm like I gotta wear what, what you mean. No, I'm trying to have on my slacks, my jumpsuit or something like that.

Speaker 1 46:15

Yeah, yeah. So he was telling us what would the fines like they would fine you.

Speaker 3 46:17

You know what's so good about Carpenter? He don't even tell you. You just going to come in that next day and look on your chair and that envelope going to be right there or when you're leaving the game. You got to have your time. You got to have your suit and tie on.

Speaker 1 46:30

You know how you want to be relaxed after the game when you're losing the draw. You got to have that time. I mean it's not a horrible. No, no, it's not.

Speaker 2 46:38

But, you're a professional.

Speaker 3 46:39

When you're playing, it's like man, fuck, You're coming from three teams that you wear whatever you want to wear to the game it was different. Yeah, yeah man.

Speaker 1 46:48

What were those fines? That's all I was asking. What were those fines?

Speaker 3 46:52

$3,500. $3,500? Yeah, but were you getting it every week?

Speaker 2 46:59

Every week, oh, oh, but I'm thinking like yo how many suits can you buy for $3,500 each time?

Speaker 1 47:06

Yeah, I remember in Montreal our coach, coach Trestman. He fined me and the other guy who was on the practice squad it was like damn near, I think it was like $ like 10 grand or something like that for not going to like voluntary quarterback meetings. Oh man, and I was like dude, I'm on the fucking practice squad, or like I'm not, I'm not paying this shit I'm pretty sure the word voluntary says it all.

Speaker 2 47:32

Right, yeah, he's like, oh it's voluntary but it's not really voluntary.

Speaker 1 47:34

So anyways, we had the. Uh like the head of the players association was one of our linemen. He he's like, yeah, you don't have to pay that. I was like good, because that's pretty much like a third of my fucking paycheck.

Speaker 2 47:45

So here's a question.

Speaker 3 47:48

What's the most you've ever been fined. My late hit on Brian Lefkowitz man Like 40-something thousand, no shit.

Speaker 2 47:56

Can I pull that up? Where does that? Money go to.

Speaker 3 48:00

I don't even know. I'll be a little bit back though, just a little bit. Well, it goes into the and that was in my earlier years. I wasn't even making that kind of money.

Speaker 1 48:07

God, that's-. And who finds you, though? Is it the NFL? Yep, jesus, you finding the hit, yeah.

Speaker 2 48:15

I'm trying to Byron. Lefkowitz is B-Y-R-O-N.

Speaker 3 48:20

Lefkowitz. I was with the Eagles, he was with the Steelers.

Speaker 1 48:25

I didn't know he was that bad. It's a protected species man. Yeah, that quarterback. Yeah, yeah, you can't there it is. You found it.

Speaker 2 48:38

Yeah, right, yep, that's it Big Ben, oh shit.

Speaker 1 48:49

That wasn't Roethlisberger, was it? No, that's.

Speaker 2 48:50

Lefkowitz.

Speaker 3 48:52

See, I hit him with my shoulder. He was celebrating.

Speaker 2 48:55

Damn dog. I mean, andy Reid doesn't like that dog.

Speaker 1 49:02

What's he saying there?

Speaker 2 49:03

He's saying watch what you fucking do, bro, let's see it one more time, because, holy shit, I mean you fucking launched that dude.

Speaker 1 49:13

He said it wasn't even that bad. Oh man, yo, that's pretty hilarious right there, man, I remember that too.

Speaker 2 49:18

It's not like you. Antonio Browned him, you know, right man, he kicked somebody, man, yo, that's pretty hilarious right there, man. I remember that too, it's not like you, Antonio Browned him you know, Right man, he kicked somebody man yeah.

Speaker 3 49:26

Man kicked somebody in the chest.

Speaker 1 49:29

Dude, that was my kicker, yeah.

Speaker 2 49:31

Pun intended? Yeah, that's different.

Speaker 1 49:33

Yeah, spencer Landon with the Browns. Yeah, he jumped in freaking. That was unbelievable.

Speaker 2 49:39

Right, holy shit. You played against Was AB on Pittsburgh when you guys played.

Speaker 3 49:45

Yeah, but that was a preseason game. They weren't even playing.

Speaker 2 49:47

No, I'm talking about in the Super Bowl.

Speaker 3 49:49

That was a preseason game. No, no, no no, oh no, ab wasn't in the league. No, that hit was a preseason game. Yep, that would really make me mad.

Speaker 2 50:01

Damn, what year was that?

Speaker 3 50:02

2008? Nah, that was 2019.

Speaker 2 50:06

10?, so you were two years in the league and you were like, let me just throw my shoulder into his face, into his neck.

Speaker 1 50:13

Welcome to the league rookie.

Speaker 2 50:18

Hey, he popped up.

Speaker 1 50:19

Yeah, he popped up. Byron's a going to say that yeah, he popped up. Byron's a big selling bitch.

Speaker 2 50:22

There he is. I don't think you should have been fined for that. No, because I mean that was a legitimate hit it's shoulder. No, it was shoulder In this day and age.

Speaker 1 50:34

He was in a hit area.

Speaker 2 50:35

Yeah, in this day and age, man, shit he'd be ejected.

Speaker 1 50:37

Yeah, man, and you'd be fined, probably a hell of a lot more than $40,000. With that we're going to take another little time out and then we'll do one more little segment. If you've got time to do another segment, yeah, we'll do one more little refill and then finish up on the NFL career journey and kind of what you're doing now. Don't forget, like comment, subscribe sports and suits out nectar. Shout out new york, new york pizza soon. Shout out tampa lux shoes. Shout out what is this? Chinook, cedarry sean, we're getting fucking, we're getting after it, man. All right, good, we'll be back.

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Speaker 1 53:54

We're kind of going through his adventures through the NFL and you know we just got talking about with the Giants, so kind of take us through that whole operation again.

Speaker 3 54:05

Again Well just towards the it was up and down man because when I first got there I learned how to. I think that's when I started. We're leaving Denver and getting to the Giants. Being with Tom Coughlin is when I learned how to be a pro.

Arizona Cardinals and Team Disputes

Speaker 1 54:18

And that's your fifth year.

Speaker 3 54:19

Right it's eight years, seven years in. So you're seven years in with the Yep. I'm a Giants on my seventh year and I finally learned how to be a pro, and I give credit to Champ Bailey, because Champ Bailey played in there 30 years.

Speaker 2 54:34

And when I was in.

Speaker 3 54:35

Denver in his 16th year. He didn't miss a workout. He didn't take rest. You know, once you get up, eight guys kind of like pull off. But he didn't do none of that. He showed up every day and worked. I'm saying to my head like as a corner too.

Speaker 1 54:48

That's a lot, right. I, every day, I'm working, I'm sending my head like as a corner too.

Speaker 3 54:51

That's right, I'm like that's a lot. I'm like dang bro, See, that's what it's all about. See, I never get Todd Wilson. When he left Green Bay he went back to Oakland, but he came to visit Denver first, Yep, Because he was about to sign me. And he told me face to face he said, man, if could have rewrote history, he said, with your skill set and what you could do, he said, man, I wish I could have got to you and targeted your mentality. Man, Charles Woodson, Charles Woodson you could have, he would tell you. He said, man, if I ever worked with you, man, you could have been that guy.

Speaker 1 55:19

The names he's talking about. I mean these are Hall of Fame, like first ballot. Hall of Fame guys, all the guys that he played with. All right, holy shit, dude.

Speaker 2 55:28

Peyton Manning.

Speaker 1 55:29

Eli, I'm talking about just strictly at the defensive back standpoint. Even.

Speaker 3 55:34

Asante Samuels said. He said, man, when you first came to the league man, we used to talk like hey man, this new dude, finna, take over man.

Speaker 1 55:40

What do you think it was? You think it was I know what it was.

Speaker 3 55:43

He told me I did the podcast a few weeks ago and he told me he said man, your only problem, because when you got to the Eagles because I was always like, why did they trade him? Why did he? When we got to the Eagles, he said man, when I was watching you in practice, I'm like man, this dude. On a different level, he said I played with just competitiveness. Yeah, that's it. Because anybody tell you I don't watch film, I don't read the playbook, I'm telling you I don't. When I went to Giants, coach Walton used to put on my iPad Crow, if you see this message, come get a thousand dollars from me. I never got it through the whole season. He was like man, you know, I thought I got smart. I just let the iPad run. You know they can tie your iPad, so I just let it run. I never. That is hysterical. I never because that is hysterical.

Speaker 2 56:32

I knew. So you didn't hit your incentives. Yeah, I did. Oh, you did. Yeah, yeah, I got them.

Speaker 3 56:38

That golf is like, I never like. So it'd be on my iPad when I got to watch film. So it'd be a clip instead of a football play. It'd be a clip saying come get a thousand dollars from me and I never got. Because he'll ask me too. He'll be like and he'll tell me to like. Towards the end of the season he'll say hey, crow, man, you know I always you wonder why. I always ask you do you watch your iPad? I'll be like yeah, crow, you always ask me that. He said yeah because there's always a message on there for you and you never get it.

Speaker 3 57:05

That's because I just know I got enough in him that you're going to have to see me. Do you think if you would have watched, yes, I'd have been way. I didn't learn what a three-step was until my fifth year. If I would have known what a three-step.

Speaker 1 57:20

A three-step drop. Yes From the quarterback. Yes.

Speaker 3 57:24

Holy shit Now what I'm trying to tell you, because I came from FBCU when, at Tennessee State, we played cat coverage. That's your cat Point blank period.

Speaker 2 57:32

Is this what you're talking about when you say natural born talent?

Speaker 3 57:35

Yeah, I just I mean holy shit. It just was in me because I worked so hard. I told you I'm the guy that's going to show up for practice. I'm going to work hard. I don't take, I'm going to work hard. But if I would ever hone in on just learning the game, I'm telling you I'd have been up there with something, with them 50 picks.

Speaker 1 57:50

Dude, that's insane. If you go look at all my picks.

Speaker 3 57:52

I don't have none, that was just thrown to me. You're going to see me going to get all of them.

Speaker 1 57:57

Well, let me ask you this. So, as a DB, if you're playing for the most part man coverage, what film do you have to listen?

Speaker 3 58:05

to I don't go off film, I I don't go off-field. You know what?

Speaker 1 58:07

I go off, for I mean clearly, it obviously works for you. I'm going to tell you what I go off for.

Speaker 3 58:11

I look at that scouting report. I go straight to the 40. If you ain't under 4'2", I don't care who you is, you don't have to see me. That's just how I watch my film. I'm telling you. I go straight to the scouting report. Okay, I'm going to be there with him. He might beat me. That is yeah. He beat me a lot. He beat me sometimes, but in my head I'm telling you, boy, if you 4'4 and up, I'm not even looking at you. I'm telling you, Because I know I got cat curves. See, everybody just think I'm fast. I'm not fast, I'm real quick. Quick, quick, yeah, and I'm good at ending.

Speaker 3 58:47

I know it takes me to get from point A to point B. See, in my later years I learned okay, two-minute drill, they down three. They ain't got to go for the home run. Right Now I can sit on them. I wish you would throw the hit to this comeback to try to move them. Chains you better take. You only can take your chances on a first or maybe a second down. You can't take your chances on a third down because you've got to get the field goal. See, I didn't learn that until my ninth year. If I'd have known that, like playing the game, oh, the receiver on this hash, the ball on the other hash, he got to come to the quarterback vision, all that type. If I'd have knew that man, listen, I'm telling you I would have rewr.

Speaker 1 59:26

And that's what I'm trying to tell my son, that's what I'm trying to tell all these other quarterbacks that I'm training Right, everybody's got some sort of skill set. You take that mental part of it, it changes the entire. Yes, tom Brady was not the most athletic fucking guy. He's not the strongest arm, not the most accurate Right. That fucking guy knew what that guy was going to do before he knew what he was going to do.

Speaker 2 59:48

So who would you say was the one receiver that always got away? Des Bryant.

Speaker 3 59:53

Des Bryant.

Speaker 1 59:54

He didn't hesitate.

Speaker 3 59:55

Nope, because I'm telling you.

Speaker 1 59:57

He was like that yeah, what about Calvin?

Speaker 3 59:59

Johnson? Yeah, but he played in my role. You ain't finna outrun and outjunk me. That's not finna happen. You got to think. Look at Calvin Johnson's film. I like that First-round Hall of Famer, all that, but he's playing against guys. That's 5'6". 5'7". Throw the ball up, he's going to get it. He's 6'5".

Speaker 1 1:00:19

With a 40-inch vertical. Yeah.

Speaker 3 1:00:21

You're playing his game Now. You get a 6'2 corner that can run and got a 40-inch vertical with you. You better run routes. So vertical with you, you better run routes.

Speaker 2 1:00:28

So what was Dez Bryant doing that Calvin wasn't?

Speaker 3 1:00:31

He could run routes, but he wasn't fast enough. So when I'm sitting there it's like I want to go, but I don't go in the hill. It always kind of bodied me at the end.

Speaker 1 1:00:41

So he wasn't fast enough, so that was his advantage. That was his advantage.

Speaker 2 1:00:44

That's wild to say, bro. That's wild to say If you look at the-.

Speaker 1 1:00:48

Rob Markman Jr it makes sense.

Speaker 3 1:00:50

Rob Markman Jr, the Sun Jacksons, the Mike Waddles, all the fast guys, we the same. You ain't finna outrun me and you ain't finna go that far you ain't finna outjump me. Rob Markman Jr. But you would think the slow guy wouldn't be able to Rob Markman Jr.

Speaker 1 1:01:05

Michael Williams or Mike Evans. Yeah, mike Evans is big bro, he's like 6'6", but he ain't outrunning anybody, he ain't not running nobody, unless he down that field scratching, that's the difference.

Speaker 3 1:01:15

But just lining up, see I can sit on him, but like he running a post or something. Once he open up, he opening up. But it's the Keenan Islands, the real true route runners. That ain't fast, but you be like, how do they get open?

Speaker 3 1:01:31

Because they do that extra at the top? Yep, they going to give you that. When I know you fast, I know you can't specify, I know you can't sit down, all you can do. So when you coming out, you coming out, you don't know how to sit down. And what I love about receiver that I try to teach my corners is that's why most guys be like man you six, two low on press.

Speaker 3 1:01:45

Why I like to sit off, because I can read you, because I play receiver my whole life. Before I go back paddle, I'm going to go run the route tree. I'm going to understand your body language and when you lean I'm going to learn to receive in and out. So I sit off. I can see you counting your steps. I know you're coming back. I can see you looking at that ground and counting your steps.

Speaker 3 1:02:03

That's where most receivers go wrong. That's why I hate playing AJ Brown or Dez Brown, because they make everything look the same and I can't stand that. They'll tell you when I'm in my pedal. I'm looking at you dead in your eyes right at that, because I can see you. The ones that really know how to run routes, they know how to stay uptight and run everything off that right there. That's hard for me, but the ones that's just fast and not that polished.

Speaker 3 1:02:28

I'm telling you, if I'd have played in today's game, it's not working. I love Cole Beasley and the Edelmans and all that, but that whip ain't working Because I know you got to throw. If you go on the over, you got to be on that other side of that hash and I know you slow. I'm going to meet you there, so I'm going to let you go that way. I'm going to meet you there, so I'm going to let you go that way. I'm going to beat you there, probably Right, so I'm going to let you go that way. And when you get the middle, then I come put that in full speed and come catch you.

Speaker 1 1:02:56

Yeah.

Speaker 3 1:02:56

So that was like it's a lot of telltale in today's game. And all that man, I'm coming, you give me any kind of indication? I'm coming, man. So, route, I'm coming, I'm coming, I come, man me and him go at it all the time Like I'm telling you he going to call me because we got to go do releases, because we got to do that, but he know I'm going to sit and I'm coming, and when you catch it I tell him all the time I'm going to put that helmet right here.

Speaker 1 1:03:24

You're going to come up with that ball. I'm going to be like man fuck. I'm tired of getting a helmet on the back of my neck Right.

Speaker 3 1:03:29

See, they don't do all that count. You can do all this, it look good, but at some point we're going to meet. At some point we're going to meet.

Speaker 2 1:03:36

So you guys mentioned Mike Evans. You know Mike Evans and Marshawn Lattimore have that rivalry.

Speaker 3 1:03:42

I love that rivalry.

Speaker 2 1:03:51

That you have something like that. Nah, nah, they leave me alone. Yeah, yeah, I be cool. I don't do the, so you ain't chirping at the line.

Speaker 3 1:03:53

Yeah, yeah, yeah. I talk a lot, but I ain't never had no rivalry like that. Are you getting into?

Speaker 2 1:03:57

like. I don't know if you guys seen this. Kobe Bryant used to like research people and just start talking about their sisters and shit.

Speaker 1 1:04:06

Nah, I ain't doing all that I mean I see stuff that Brock Bowers just came out with a thing and he was like, yeah, when I was playing at Georgia, like my girlfriend was going to Tennessee and like these frat kids were like, hey, man, your girl was at the frat party last night, like you know, before they played Georgia or whatever. So people definitely can find a way, especially with social media, isn't that crazy?

Speaker 2 1:04:26

Well, I mean, he was in a frat.

Speaker 1 1:04:27

Huh, yeah.

Speaker 2 1:04:28

Yeah, phi, sigma, beta, sigma Beta. Yes, sir, there you go. Blue blue, blue blue. I mean, did that help with anything?

Speaker 3 1:04:36

Nah, nah so Richard Sherman, Jerry Rice, all them Sigmas, no shit.

Speaker 2 1:04:43

Richard Sherman. Yeah, all right, who's better, you or Richard?

Speaker 3 1:04:47

Sherman, he a better system guy than me.

Speaker 1 1:04:49

Yeah, he's 100% a system guy.

Speaker 2 1:04:51

I mean, both of y'all are corners.

Speaker 3 1:04:52

Yeah, yeah. So what I mean by system? If you're playing this like that system in Seattle?

Speaker 1 1:04:58

That suits him perfectly.

Speaker 3 1:05:00

Yeah, they're like their cover three is a true cover three. You don't have to worry about nothing but the post and goal. See, I never played in a system like that. I got to worry about the stop the goal, the slant I got to worry about the whole tree.

Speaker 2 1:05:11

You see these frat guys, bro, they don't trash each other. No, no, no, no, no.

Speaker 3 1:05:17

He was excellent in what he did.

Speaker 2 1:05:18

There's some subtle jobs in there, you remember the Aaron Andrews interview where he just goes off about Crabtree. Bro, that shit had me rolling on the floor, bro. I thought it was hilarious.

Speaker 3 1:05:30

It's a lot of receive a cone of light, but I never had that. The only person I didn't like to play with was Steve Smith, though he's an angler dude. Steve Smith Sr he's an angler dude man.

Speaker 2 1:05:41

He's a short guy he's like what six foot he's going to bring it every time.

Speaker 3 1:05:46

I'll never forget.

Speaker 1 1:05:46

Yo and he time. I never forget the shit he would talk on when he was mic'd up.

Speaker 3 1:05:49

He's going to hit you after the play, block you hard, all kind of stuff, but you got to stand up to him.

Speaker 2 1:05:58

If you don't, he's going to get on you the whole game. Name a better receiver for the Carolina Panthers? Can't, can't, he's thinking.

Speaker 3 1:06:07

I don't know 87 Muhammad.

Speaker 1 1:06:09

Something See, I'm not thinking. He's thinking no, I don't know. Yeah, go ahead. Number 87, Muhammad something.

Speaker 2 1:06:11

See, if you can't remember the name, they ain't good.

Speaker 1 1:06:14

I forget his first name. It's not Muhammad. But if you can't, remember the name.

Speaker 2 1:06:18

Probably isn't anything.

Speaker 1 1:06:19

Greg Olson.

Speaker 3 1:06:21

Tight end, yeah, tight end. He would like that, greg Olson, if yeah, I mean. So who?

Speaker 2 1:06:28

did you hate playing against bro? Because I mean okay, c Smith and Dez Bryant.

Speaker 1 1:06:33

Yeah.

Speaker 3 1:06:33

I liked playing Dez Bryant because I just knew he was going to be a talent. See, I like being a talent. Randy Moss.

Speaker 1 1:06:38

I'm going to tell you who I hate playing against.

Speaker 3 1:06:39

He ain't in the receiver. Randy Moss. Nah, nah, nah, I had him towards the end.

Speaker 2 1:06:46

When he was in New England.

Speaker 3 1:06:47

Yeah, but I'm telling you, aaron Rodgers, that's it I hate playing him.

Speaker 1 1:06:53

Really so I asked you, remember Chris Conte? Yeah, so I asked him. I need to get him on this thing. But I've played softball with him for a while and I was like dude, who's the hardest quarterback playing safety that you've ever played against? And I was like assuming he's going to say Tom Brady or Peyton Manning, he goes Aaron Rodgers. No, no, no, no, no. He goes Drew Brees.

Speaker 3 1:07:13

No.

Career Path Through Eagles and Broncos

Speaker 1 1:07:13

He goes, brees would look over. So there on the left hash Chris was playing boundary safety. He said he would look over on the field hash and basically throw a no-look hole shot down the seam and Chris would just sit there and just watch the ball slowly go by him. He's like I can't. I don't know where the fuck this guy's like looking at, but see, Eli.

Speaker 3 1:07:35

Listen, if it's three quarterbacks, I know if I play that week it's 100% chance I'm getting the pick and I pick them up every time I play them. Go ahead. That's Eli Manning. That's my dog, though. Drew Brees and my band at Atlanta Not right, they just came from the Vikings. Kirk Cousins Kirk Cousins 100% chance pick. But there's one person I know who not to play with. See, I'm going to bait and cone him. I'm not playing with Aaron Rodgers. Anybody else they'll tell you. I promise you I'm going to let you beat me on the post because you're going to think you're open and I'm just going to jump over your head and get the ball. You can't play with Aaron Rodgers. He's the only quarterback that I play. That throws you out your route. So most quarterbacks they got to see it open, then they throw it.

Speaker 3 1:08:20

No, no, no, no, no, no, when he hit that he don't give you no make-up time, so with him you got to play honest.

Speaker 1 1:08:26

I feel like Drew Brees kind of did that as well. Yeah, yeah, that's why I said he was another one.

Speaker 3 1:08:32

But I know I was going to get Drew.

Speaker 1 1:08:33

You said you picked him off every single one, every time, because I know that outcome.

Speaker 2 1:08:38

They threw a shit ton of outs man.

Speaker 3 1:08:40

That's all they threw.

Speaker 2 1:08:41

Man, you need three really good quarterbacks.

Speaker 1 1:08:44

Hall of Fame. Fucking guys. That's what I'm saying, kurt going to let that thing go.

Speaker 3 1:08:47

He don't care. Kirk going to let it go.

Speaker 2 1:08:48

I don't know if Kirk Cousins is first ballot. Though I don't think he's first ballot, I think he's second ballot, maybe.

Speaker 1 1:08:54

I don't know if he is in general Kirk Cousins, you think?

Speaker 2 1:08:57

he's Hall of.

Speaker 3 1:08:57

Fame guy, Nah man no Super Bowl.

Speaker 2 1:09:08

Yeah, but he got in the Hall of Fame.

Speaker 1 1:09:10

He went to one yeah, 84. But those are some, so you think. But how did you know that you were going to pick those guys off?

Speaker 2 1:09:19

Because I know Especially not watching film that's what I'm saying Without watching film.

Speaker 3 1:09:23

Because I know he's not going to take that one-on-one matchup. He sure should.

Speaker 1 1:09:27

He's going to take that he's not going to take that one-on-one matchup he sure should.

Speaker 3 1:09:29

He's going to take that, he's going to take that and I know if you, who Herm Edwards, remember the coach.

Speaker 1 1:09:34

Oh yeah.

Speaker 3 1:09:34

Oh yeah, I'll never forget him. I dropped prices. He said man, this is how I want you to think about when you play. If they throw that ball at you seven or more times, you tell them I regarded them as one receiver, so you got to come over there. So if you're giving me five targets a game, I promise you one of them is going the other way.

Speaker 3 1:09:56

One of them is going the other way and I knew with them games, with them quarterbacks. They were going to throw the ball, I knew it and they had some good receivers, so you don't get this, but I promise you one of them going the other way, marquis Coulson was he. Yeah, I used to love them, guys, man.

Speaker 1 1:10:12

But I mean, he's kind of a Des Bryant kind of guy, isn't he?

Speaker 3 1:10:15

Yeah, they were three of them Robert Meacham.

Speaker 1 1:10:18

Oh, that's right, and.

Speaker 2 1:10:19

Hennessy man.

Speaker 1 1:10:21

That's right.

Speaker 2 1:10:22

So you were basically learning on the field and then adapt to react.

Speaker 3 1:10:26

Right. That's why I say, if somebody ever just took me in, I'm telling you, my skill set was just so. It was so good that they were like let him play yeah.

Speaker 3 1:10:35

But I never had no coaches bring me in and even though, because you know at that high level, they expect you to do it Right. But you had to show me Like, if you just I'm telling you, even if a player just took me in and took me on his wing and was like man, listen, man, that's what Charles Wilson was trying to tell me, he was like man, I would have told you how to do this. I'm telling you, if I had learned a three set, because I told you I like to play all. So if I sit there and watch that, I see it great. Now I see that quarterback, I'm gone.

Speaker 2 1:11:01

You're going to have to double move me, because I'm gone Like Asante.

Speaker 3 1:11:05

see, I don't think I would make a play. That's what I'm saying.

Speaker 1 1:11:07

I don't think I would make a play my first year I had four picks, 32 pass breakups and you're not going to tell a 19-year-old kid hey, man, you just got four picks. Hey, I need you to do this. Fuck you, dude. I'm doing what I'm doing.

Speaker 2 1:11:23

It's working. Didn't you have a record-setting 99-yard pick six? What game was that, bro? Walk us through that.

Speaker 3 1:11:31

My first year in Arizona.

Speaker 2 1:11:33

As a rookie.

Speaker 1 1:11:37

Was that your come to the NFL moment.

Speaker 3 1:11:39

Against.

Speaker 2 1:11:40

St Louis Against Russell Wilson.

Speaker 3 1:11:42

Oh no, St Louis, my bad.

Speaker 1 1:11:44

Rams. Who was that? Mark Bolger.

Speaker 3 1:11:47

No, no, no. Number eight, sam the one that got drafted.

Speaker 2 1:11:51

He got drafted in 2008. Bradford, yeah, sam Bradford, sam Bradford, oh, oh.

Speaker 1 1:11:57

And he got paid a shit ton of money. Yeah, so they were goal line.

Speaker 3 1:12:01

They was in goal line.

Speaker 2 1:12:03

And you intercepted.

Speaker 3 1:12:04

Indians though. Right, but see, that's why I say the difference between man and one. See, we in the cover one, but I was backside, so I know I got that linebacker on the sucker. I know I got helps, so I'm sitting outside. So he ran a kind of like a pivot. He went slant and came back out. I'm sitting on that Now. You got to slant all day.

Speaker 3 1:12:26

I mean, you ain't got it, but I'm waiting. So when he and then I see him he looking in his goal line that ball didn't come right now, I know you got to do something. Now. You got to do something off that Because that ball isn't there right now, I know you got to do something off that. That's why I never I don't ever understand corners. You know how he understand them. He walk, walk, walk and he just beat you out.

Speaker 3 1:12:49

I never understand how you get beat on that Are they expecting like a little China route Maybe because I think some corners be hitters Maybe because I wasn't no big hitter that I'm never going to look at that running back in the backfield, because you know how you do that and then he hits you like that yeah, a little play you would they never get me on that because I tell my coach, especially in cover three, like I'm not coming down.

Speaker 1 1:13:09

I really don't want to come down there anyway.

Speaker 3 1:13:11

They come hit so I do not get that to save my life. Man, they eyes be too, and then they get beat on the out. How Are you?

Speaker 2 1:13:19

tired after that? Are you tired after running 99 yards?

Speaker 3 1:13:23

No, no, I run all day. No, no, no, no, they call me 10 speed. I'm like a bicycle. Kicking in high gear Hot dog and touchdown. That's all.

Speaker 2 1:13:33

And then you got to be out after the kickoff. Next play, let's go Run it.

Speaker 3 1:13:37

Cover. But see on the kickoff team. I'm always the one. They're the ones like your safeties. They get the job down the field.

Speaker 2 1:13:45

Well, yeah.

Speaker 1 1:13:48

Are there any rules in today's game that you completely just can't stand compared to when you were playing, like the kickoff rules, and I don't Really.

Speaker 3 1:13:58

I'd rather the old kickoff. I can't stand. I understand that standing right here is stopping more injuries, but I don't know. I know Sean Murray played 14 years of special teams only.

Speaker 1 1:14:09

I know you said you wanted some Cs man. Yes, sir, yeah, I'm going to rip some Shout out to Chinook.

Speaker 3 1:14:15

Sean Morey played special teams. That's what he made his money off of running down on kickoffs just getting tackles and stuff. I like the old rules better.

Speaker 1 1:14:23

I think so too. Either keep the rules how they used to be, or just get rid of it altogether.

Speaker 3 1:14:26

Just get rid of it all together, just get rid of it all together?

Speaker 2 1:14:28

Yeah, because you really don't see too many returns either, even in punts, bro. The last great returner this is my opinion, devin Hester. What no, no, no, no, no, oh, great punt returner, returner.

Speaker 3 1:14:39

No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. Devin Hester, bro'm saying, there's still one more. Okay, who? Cordell Patterson?

Speaker 1 1:14:50

Oh shit, Atlanta. Yeah, of course I ain't saying he anything like Hester or Hester 101.

Speaker 3 1:14:59

He, that guy. But I'm saying there's still one out there. There's still one out there. Is he still playing? Yeah, he's still playing, there's still one out there, I'm telling you.

Speaker 2 1:15:07

Well, I mean, I am a Bucs fan, so anybody from Atlanta don't really care for, or New Orleans and South Carolina, or Carolina. Dave Canales is a joke Dante Hall.

Speaker 1 1:15:23

You remember him from the Chiefs. Yeah, yeah yeah, some bitch can fucking roll, bro, but Devin Hester, they wouldn't even kick to him because they were scared that every time he touches the ball, this guy's going to take it.

Speaker 2 1:15:36

He's going to take it and he has every single time. Bro, this guy has like fuck, like 10 or 12. Yeah, he different.

Speaker 3 1:15:43

He different.

Speaker 2 1:15:43

Yeah, I don't think you're ever going to find somebody close to that.

Speaker 3 1:15:46

No, you know, find somebody close to that. I'm telling you, cordell, look up his stats. I'm telling you.

Speaker 1 1:15:49

I'm going to have to. You'll be surprised. He played a long damn time. You said he's still playing. Yeah, he's still playing. That's insane. Who's he with now Still?

Speaker 3 1:15:57

a class.

Speaker 1 1:16:01

I remember seeing him there was receiver running back fullback.

Speaker 2 1:16:04

Yeah, he's with Pittsburgh.

Speaker 1 1:16:06

Yeah, yeah, tight end the whole deal. These things are pretty good, right, little smokehouse deal damn bro, he's 34 that's a long time, man, long time getting fucking whacked, yeah he's been playing since 2013.

Speaker 3 1:16:20

They say it's not for long, don't be mad he's Super Bowl champ.

Speaker 2 1:16:24

Super Bowl champ four time, first team all pro, let's, let's kind of wrap up unless you could do one more no, you Four-time first-team, all-pro.

Speaker 1 1:16:33

Let's kind of wrap up, unless you could do one more. No, you can do one more. I'm going to kind of finish on that, but I'm saying kind of wrap up with your time in the NFL, so doing well at the time, Like who was the coach you hated the most.

Speaker 3 1:17:00

Not that you played for, just in general. I don't like Bill Belichick, not because of all the success he had, because I never get. So I'm having my pro day at TSU. I got all 32 teams there. I got my family there. You got to think this is a big moment for me.

Speaker 3 1:17:17

So he had a guy down there. So after my pro day he wanted to talk to me one of his scouts. So I told him I was coming over there. But as I was walking over there my mom and dad ran up to me and I'm talking to my family trying to get over there to him. So I guess I had them waiting too long. So the man really flew me out there so you get on your visits, your pre-drive visits really flew me out there to tell me that I can never play for him. He said, man, when you get an opportunity like that, you got to take advantage of it. So he felt like I should have just told everybody right now I'm doing business, which I understand, but I don't understand Because at the end of the day, they're my mama. You know what I mean.

Speaker 1 1:17:52

Yeah, that's not.

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Speaker 3 1:17:53

I'm trying to get to you, but I can't just walk past her. Yeah, that's my mama. Yeah, you say yeah, man, you're great, you can have pleasure.

Speaker 2 1:18:04

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Speaker 3 1:21:22

transpired man after the Giants man. I'm just, I ain't going to lie, I'm just doing stuff to be honest. You know I signed one year with Oakland. I get out there. I played maybe seven games of retire, you know, in the retirement and Oakland, hey, anyone, even from the team. It's just. I'm a real life Florida boy. I love, love to be home. So I'm way out there On the West Coast. It's just different man.

Speaker 1 1:21:52

Oh, absolutely, I'm like man this ain't it, man.

Speaker 3 1:21:55

So I just ended up retiring, but I came out of retirement.

Speaker 1 1:21:59

Was John Gruden the coach. Yep, that's what's fresh out there.

Speaker 3 1:22:02

You know what I mean. Gruden, that's my man too, man. You know what I mean. Groove, groove, that's my man too, man.

Speaker 3 1:22:08

I came, it was good I should have just finished the season out and stayed there, because he probably would have spotted the next year Because, man, in that year my 11th year they didn't know I was still that fast and still could go and stuff. So it was like it kind of took me by a shock. So I ended up starting a few games for them and everything it. It took me by a shock, so I ended up starting a few games for him and everything. Man, it was a perfect fit. But I don't know Just something telling me it just ain't it. So I just ended up retiring just in the middle of the season. Then I came out of retirement to go play for his brother, jay. You know what I mean. He gave me the opportunity. John was like, yeah, man, great guy, you would love him.

Speaker 3 1:22:42

So when I get, I remember Coach saying like hey, man, you don't play like no old vet man, this dude's still moving All season. La Fitties, I'm in there playing. Somebody undercut me. I break all the ligaments in my ankle. You know what I mean. So now I got to go back to camp that they don't know about. So my ankle's fat but they don't know that I just messed every ligament up in my ankle. Man, so we get the running test. Coach knows that I'm hobbling. He's like man, I still passed the running test. Coach was like, hey, man, you all right. I'm like, yeah, I'm great.

Speaker 3 1:23:18

So doing 101, I think I made a trip and fell. I'm like man, I need an MRI. I already know what time it is, but I'm like man, I need an MRI. Man, so he's like man, you know, you're tall, you're a legal man, da-da-da-da-da. So they gave me a proposition I can either get released and get surgery and try again or I can play on it. You know what I mean. So I made the team on that hurt ankle. So I'm like I'll play. But I'm thinking because we have guys in position. You know what I mean. We had Josh, norman, dunbar, fabian all the time. So I'm thinking a little strove. So I'm thinking like, okay, cool, maybe I'll be like a vet on the team. Man, help the guys here, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 3 1:23:56

So come the first week they got me out of that starting. I say I thought I was supposed to heal up rest. That's what I'm thinking in my head.

Speaker 1 1:24:06

So and then this is year 12?.

Speaker 3 1:24:09

Yes, so then I got Deshaun, jackson and Jeffries with the Eagles, alshon, yeah.

Speaker 1 1:24:17

That's my guy. I'm playing against them the first week, so I'm like man Alshon's got to be the hardest guy you've covered. He was nice. He was a motherfucker man. He was nice man, god damn.

Speaker 3 1:24:27

And then now I'm telling you that 50% now not even 50. So we'll get through that game. So I'm like okay, cool, I got through that game. I ain't get scored on. You know what I'm saying? I ain't get scored on. So the next week we got the Cowboys. I said hey man. See, I pride myself on what I put on film. Yep, as far as me coming out of break, there's certain things I know. I don't care who you is.

Speaker 1 1:24:50

You need to catch that. You hear what he said. Put it out on film. Oh yeah, Same thing Deontay did.

Speaker 3 1:25:01

I said he was like yeah, I'm not going to put bad, so I ain't no put myself on IR oh shit.

Speaker 2 1:25:10

I just went and had surgery?

Speaker 3 1:25:12

yup, I just went and had surgery, so then what?

Speaker 2 1:25:14

were they trying to do? Load you up with cortisone, just shoot up your ankle as much as they could cause.

Speaker 3 1:25:18

I got one kidney, yeah. So I ain't take, I couldn't shoot up, I couldn't do none of that. So I'm looking at that feeling like man, that's a pick man, you ain't running. No comeback like that. I couldn't break how I wanted to. I only could go this way. I couldn't go that way for real Rob Markman.

Speaker 3 1:25:36

Jr. Yeah, yeah. So I'm like man, I don't worry about it. So after that, I'm money man, I'm chasing what I'm chasing for Right, you know what I mean? Because I still, I just got that itch because I'm just a competitive dude, so I'm like man, I'm like man, I'm going to let it go, man. So I ended up just letting it go, but you didn't, because then you came back. No, I'm talking about after Washington. I just let it go.

Speaker 2 1:26:01

Oh, after Washington, yeah, yo do you think that a lot of professional athletes they're afraid to retire because they don't know what to do?

Speaker 1 1:26:10

life after sports. Yes, one thousand fucking percent. Yes.

Speaker 2 1:26:13

Yeah, I mean, do you have a plan? Was anybody to? Put your agent in your ear like yo, what are you going to do? No, Nothing, Nothing. So you were like okay, as soon as I retire, I'm going to just be on the beach. I'm going to go to Miami. I'm going to be fucking some bitches. I mean, I'm going to be drinking some Pina coladas, Rob.

Speaker 3 1:26:32

Markman, I never really thought I was going to be doing it, because once I worked myself back onto my, I used to go out to the Skyway with James and them, and when he had his receivers come down, rob.

Speaker 1 1:26:42

Markman, Fuck Skyway, by the way.

Speaker 3 1:26:44

These guys, nfl guys, I'm like man, I'm still rapping. They ain't catching these balls with me. So I was still like one foot in and one foot out. That's why, to this day, I still play semi-pro football. It's hard to give it up when at I play. Right here I play with the Dunn Eden Highlanders.

Speaker 1 1:27:01

Well, he also-.

Speaker 3 1:27:02

I play with Tampa Bay Storms all that he also said he was doing the XFL.

Speaker 1 1:27:06

He said, yeah, I don't want to.

Speaker 2 1:27:08

You're only doing it because you got nothing else to do. Is what it?

Speaker 3 1:27:11

sounds like.

Speaker 1 1:27:12

You're bored out of your fucking mind.

Speaker 2 1:27:15

That's what it sounds like. Let's be real.

Speaker 3 1:27:18

All the men's league playing basketball, playing football. If you got a league right here, I'm in it, no shit.

Speaker 1 1:27:27

I even play softball at Grickles. Yeah, you can't take the competitiveness. You can't, you can't do it.

Speaker 2 1:27:31

And that's why you're coaching at the…. Bayshore, bayshore, yeah.

Speaker 3 1:27:36

And how hard is that? Though that's tough man, that's tough you get paid to do that, to coach at Bayshore. Yeah, but you ain't get paid. Tell me how much.

Speaker 2 1:27:44

it is bro Like $25K.

Speaker 1 1:27:47

No A year A year $2,500. A year.

Speaker 3 1:27:51

Not even that. So it's free. It's volunteer Kind of yeah.

Speaker 1 1:27:55

Yeah, these high school coaches in Florida get paid jack shit. Yeah, yeah, it's nothing. But then you go up five hours to Georgia. Yeah, they're to get money $250,000. So doesn't it make sense?

Speaker 2 1:28:06

then to build your coaching resume and then maybe and I'm not saying this is what you want to do, I'm just asking are you going to want to coach for college and then, after coaching for college, are you going to go coach in the NFL, Maybe a defensive coordinator for, let's say the Tampa Bay Buccaneers no man, I had some opportunities to coach at college.

Speaker 3 1:28:30

I just turned it down because you got to move. Why?

Speaker 2 1:28:32

You said you're bored, bro, yeah but I ain't trying to move, man, I'm not trying to move. Yeah, you only got to move. For how long? Six months, that's a long time. Every six months.

Speaker 3 1:28:39

That's a long time. But, I did. When I first got did the coaching thing. I went back to Tennessee State and I coached there during the COVID season, so you know they had the season during January. I coached that man.

Speaker 3 1:28:51

And I like that I can really coach man, but I think is I got to get? Are you going to take me serious, because I don't have that where I've been to coach 10, 20 years? But I know ball man, I know how to assess things, I know how to look at something and tell you and I done played in enough defenses where I can tell you wherever a hole at, I can tell you where we need to go, what we need to make this linebacker do, how good is our discipline. But it's like when I was there they was listening to me but they weren't listening to me, so I just felt like I was wasting head coach.

Speaker 2 1:29:22

Yeah, that's a whole different no, and he was also a defensive coordinator for a different school, I forget.

Speaker 3 1:29:32

No, he was a head coach at Jackson State, jackson State.

Speaker 2 1:29:36

Oh, he was a head coach.

Speaker 1 1:29:37

Always Okay yeah.

Speaker 2 1:29:39

Oh, I thought he was a defensive coordinator?

Speaker 1 1:29:41

Yeah, so what you're?

Speaker 2 1:29:44

saying is get inducted into the Hall of Fame, then get a coaching job.

Speaker 3 1:29:48

Right, what's the eligibility? Like, I think, I'd rather just stay in high school, though what's?

Speaker 1 1:29:54

the eligibility like Hold on, hold on. Why would you say that?

Speaker 2 1:29:58

Why would?

Speaker 1 1:29:58

you say you'd rather stay in high school than in college, because they're not really developed yet.

Speaker 3 1:30:02

I could target in my. I feel like once you get an, especially when you get these NIL deals. I feel like your mindset is already somewhere else.

Speaker 1 1:30:11

I got a buddy, that's a coach and we've had him on here. He's like dude.

Speaker 2 1:30:15

NIL changed everything Talking about Sean, yeah.

Speaker 1 1:30:18

Yeah, he's like NIL changed everything. You got guys that are getting paid and I've heard stories from defensive linemen that are at Florida State that are like the coach is saying, hey, you got to do this, you got to do that. And he's like fuck you, I make more money than you. That's crazy. I could not imagine being like a college coach, a grown-ass man, and some 18-year-old kid telling me that, right, that's the last thing he's going to fucking tell me.

Speaker 3 1:30:45

Right, I'm going to lose mean yeah, but you don't want to hear it though. Yeah, you don't want to hear that shit, you don't want to hear that. No, but the kid wouldn't, say that.

Speaker 2 1:30:51

The kid wouldn't say that.

Speaker 1 1:30:53

Oh, the kids are fucking. Yeah, you put your hands on the kid. Now they're going to. I'm calling the cops.

Speaker 2 1:30:57

Well, the difference between him and Sean is that Sean didn't go to the pros. No shit, well, there you go. I mean nobody's going to say to DRC yo, I make more money than you. Drc's going to be like pop.

Speaker 1 1:31:10

You're out of your mind.

Speaker 2 1:31:11

I've already made more. It's going to be a.

Speaker 3 1:31:17

Jim Levin situation. Henry, I like the high school level man Because they buying in we might be young, but they listen and then to see that go from here to there to the next level.

Speaker 2 1:31:30

What's the question they ask you the most?

Speaker 3 1:31:33

That's what makes me mad. That's what makes me mad about this generation, right? So, like I told my players, I say y'all going to forever be mediocre. Why? Because here you got an A Sanders, a DRC, a Breon Collins who played quarterback at Nebraska Like we got a nice staff.

Speaker 1 1:31:52

Hold on, he's over there. Yeah, that's our OC, no shit yeah. Man. I haven't talked to him in forever. That's awesome.

Speaker 3 1:31:57

Yeah, man, because he was at.

Speaker 1 1:31:59

Soda yeah, he was at Palmetto.

Speaker 3 1:32:04

Palmetto, that's right. So I'm like, not one time has anybody asked us to stay after or come before and work with us. Y'all don't ask us enough questions, man.

Coaching Philosophy and Player Development

Speaker 3 1:32:14

We done seen the highest level. Y'all got the. You got the money. It's a want to. People always ask me, because I was a party guy, I ain't got man. They be like bro, how you get up at 5 o'clock in the morning or you at practice and you don't look like you done been out all night. It's a want to. I want to play football. It ain't no if, ands or buts about it. I want to do it. So, whatever I got to do, if I got to lift these weights, I'm going to lift. Nah, they paying y' you mean to tell me all I got to do is come here, work hard, be a little successful in this field and I can rewrite my history. Man, y'all crazy. You couldn't have gave me that kind of out. Man, it was just hard getting serious. You see, I had no scholarships. Man, they paying you to go to school. You got people wanting to vote to do whatever.

Speaker 3 1:33:01

What, oh my God? And the only thing that you got to give up is a little work, a little something. Man, you're crazy.

Speaker 1 1:33:11

What else are you doing? What are you doing? Playing video games, going home, being on.

Speaker 3 1:33:15

TikTok, that's it, that TikTok. They on that one, oh, they on that. Driving me crazy man.

Speaker 2 1:33:20

I mean that's Gen Z. I mean that's what you're dealing with, but you know what Millennials? I think you're a millennial, you're a millennial, I'm a millennial, bro. We grew up before the age of internet. We grew up when there was no internet, and then when internet came by, then you gradually started seeing how social media was consuming the kids. Now the kids don't give a fuck about anything other than how many likes to get on a picture how many fucking comments and engagement they get on some story that they post on instagram.

Speaker 2 1:33:54

Bro, it's wild. It's wild to me, but now that you're coaching those kids, you're gonna have to figure out a way to deal with it. And now is there something that you could do where you can maybe tell them hey, listen, no phones at practice.

Speaker 3 1:34:09

Something like that. Nah, nah, it's hard man.

Speaker 2 1:34:14

It's on school grounds, you can dictate, I keep them dialed in.

Speaker 3 1:34:18

I got a thing.

Speaker 2 1:34:19

Come on, let's make it Cuban dog.

Speaker 3 1:34:20

Be where your feet are. So we at football it's nothing but football, Ain't no outside chatter. And then I try to do like incentives, man, to keep them in there. Like try to give them, like I got this little like a chain, like this a little MVP chain that I give to my best player at practice that day. Like I try to make them wanna work for something. Man, Like you gotta give them little different things to make them wanna work. What if they show up late? Oh no, they ain't going to show up late. No, what if they do? You might want to go back home.

Speaker 2 1:34:51

You don't make them run suicides, bro.

Speaker 3 1:34:53

Yeah, you got to go back home and show up late.

Speaker 2 1:34:56

No, make them run suicides.

Speaker 3 1:34:57

That's what I'm talking about.

Speaker 1 1:35:00

I'm saying you don't want to show up late.

Speaker 3 1:35:02

Rather everything out to you, then they ain't going to kill.

Speaker 2 1:35:05

Yeah, but then if they don't show up, then you make them run suicides for the next five practices.

Speaker 3 1:35:10

Yeah, yeah, excuse me, see what you got to do here. You take your best player, you got to make them example. I'm telling you Ace will tell you I'm big on that, but you ain't playing. I can promise you I don't care, you ain't playing. You, finna, sit out and I'm gonna make you watch your team and I'm gonna run them while they just While you sit there and watch them. I'm gonna run everybody else.

Speaker 1 1:35:32

And now they finna get on you.

Speaker 3 1:35:33

That's the worst feeling. That's the worst feeling. Now, them boys, they running because of you. Damn that. And you're not running with them and you're not running with them, dude, that is.

Speaker 1 1:35:43

But have you been there? I've been there, right, right, I don't know if you've been there, yeah.

Speaker 2 1:35:49

So they say hey, you sit right there, yeah, watch your team run, watch your team run.

Speaker 1 1:35:53

You want to miss a meeting? Come here, come here.

Speaker 2 1:35:55

Let me talk to you.

Speaker 1 1:35:56

Let me talk to you about what you missed during the meeting. By the way, your teammates, all the guys that to run for you all the time, so now the team's going to hate you. That's kind of the goal, yeah, right.

Speaker 2 1:36:09

Right, they didn't do that in the NFL, though. They just fined you. Yeah, they just fined you, but first of all, you ain't finna miss in the NFL Boy.

Speaker 3 1:36:17

that's a whole check there. I ain't missing no time today. You missing days, but that's all that I mean. Compared to what some people are making, it ain't nothing but shit. Yeah, we'll see with that.

Speaker 2 1:36:28

So if you don't show up to training camp, do they fine you, or do they just not pay you?

Speaker 3 1:36:32

Nah, they fine.

Speaker 2 1:36:33

And they not pay you. Oh, they do Literally everything, so you got to be walking a tightrope the entire time you can't miss for nothing.

Speaker 1 1:36:43

But that's what I was asking. It's like where does that money go?

Speaker 2 1:36:45

It goes to the NFL.

Speaker 3 1:36:48

I think, NFL. Association, yeah, and then I think it goes to charities and stuff.

Speaker 2 1:36:52

And then the NFLPA.

Speaker 1 1:36:54

We should figure out how to be a charity.

Speaker 3 1:36:57

Well, the NFL, that means facts, the money's going somewhere.

Speaker 2 1:37:00

The NFL is no longer a charity. It's a sports entertainment corporation now. They changed that Roger Goodell payment uh corporation. Now they changed that roger goodell. Fuck you, roger goodell. I don't give a fuck, I didn't play in the nfl, I can say what I want. That guy that guy's a joke bro who's making 46 million dollars a year doing dick that we know about yo.

Speaker 2 1:37:22

the ufl first of all has a first first down line technology that shows if the ball passed the first down. Bro, the refs are bought and paid for by the NFL. That's 100% man Conspiracy 101 dog. I don't give a fuck.

Speaker 1 1:37:44

Let's go Back on the scripted operations.

Speaker 2 1:37:47

Oh dead ass man. Hey, tell me why they always show Taylor Swift in the box to boost viewership. The NFL is a business of entertainment?

Speaker 1 1:37:58

No shit, that is what they are.

Speaker 2 1:38:00

Yeah, that's definitely a business. Well, they used to be a non-profit organization, steven, which is not a business. It is a business.

Speaker 1 1:38:11

Now it is. We're in a word, project to say, not a profit, now it is. It's still a giant business.

Speaker 2 1:38:16

But fuck all that. He's getting off the fucking rails here.

Speaker 1 1:38:20

All right so you're playing basketball. Are you doing anything track-wise? Nah, nah.

Speaker 3 1:38:26

I'm just that and then a little 7-on-7. I love 7-on-7, man. I just got into it. I didn't know how big the girls 7-on-7 is the girls fight.

Speaker 1 1:38:34

football is huge, yeah Is that Lady Venom.

Speaker 2 1:38:37

It's like from Tampa. Yeah, yeah, yeah yeah.

Speaker 3 1:38:40

I'm a dog coach, though.

Speaker 2 1:38:42

Yeah, oh for real.

Speaker 3 1:38:43

He came out of my practice yesterday and helped me. We got a tournament. It's over 50, like 15. I'm like Bro, they're second national, jesus National, I'll be honest man.

Speaker 1 1:38:53

Some of the girls started training quarterback shit and they throw the absolute piss out of the ball. Yeah, it's kind of wild. Yeah, they don't move laterally as well.

Speaker 2 1:39:09

But they strip. So when that ball comes out, that shit's bombing. All you got to do is pull a flag.

Speaker 1 1:39:12

Though Yo, let me tell you something I like, that I want to see you try to pull a high school girl's high school, not even a professional.

Speaker 2 1:39:18

See, I feel like I'd get arrested for doing that.

Speaker 1 1:39:21

I should not even try. Now LFL, let's go.

Speaker 2 1:39:25

LFL dog. You remember the LFL Lingerie?

Speaker 1 1:39:28

football league. I think you'd get embarrassed. I think these girls would.

Speaker 2 1:39:32

I just said earlier in this podcast that I ran a 12.540. Of course I'd get embarrassed. There's no way you ran a 12.5. I did, it was a 12.5. There's no way.

Speaker 3 1:39:43

I played soccer, I was a defender.

Speaker 1 1:39:45

That's speed walking.

Speaker 2 1:39:47

Bro, I'm fat, I'm fat yeah.

Speaker 1 1:39:52

I probably weigh more than both of y'all, I'm 233. You do yeah Barely.

Speaker 2 1:40:00

Barely, barely.

Speaker 1 1:40:01

Barely. Yeah, that's that daddy weight you got that bush light, so are you guys going to be any good at Bayshore?

Speaker 3 1:40:12

We're going to be okay. We starting to get some pieces coming. We had a couple transfers, like we talked about earlier, jadis, yeah he's going to be real good for us, because last year we wasn't bad.

Speaker 1 1:40:26

We had the skill set, but you know, it's them trenches.

Speaker 3 1:40:28

Especially in high school. Yeah, we got guys on the line that's 180. Ain't blocking nobody About 40 seconds. So but this year we got some big boys. We got some big boys, so I'm looking forward to this.

Speaker 2 1:40:39

It's in the Olympics now.

Speaker 3 1:40:41

White football.

Speaker 1 1:40:42

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, we're not talking about that shit anymore.

Speaker 2 1:40:45

Oh, I thought that's what you guys were talking about.

Speaker 3 1:40:47

No, no, no, we're going to be good, we're going to be good, we're going to be good.

Speaker 1 1:40:54

We're going to be more disciplined and bigger dudes. What's the transfer situation like down there, because I know Hillsborough County is a fuck. What's it called School of choice? Is there a?

Speaker 3 1:41:07

school of Choice down there? Yeah, there is. Yeah, and see where Bayshore is, because we got so many good schools down there. You can just get in. Like most schools down there. You got to wait in this. It's hard to get in. So we getting guys that are good talent that go to a place like Manatee or Boca or Venice. That might be third-string, but you come with us, you first-string.

Speaker 1 1:41:29

You know what? I mean, and that's where Amari's coaching right Venice. Yeah, he's down in Venice yeah, I mean, that's a machine over there. Yeah, they're going to be yeah, but they work, though.

Speaker 3 1:41:38

I went to their weight room one day and watched the program.

Speaker 1 1:41:47

Yeah, they send guys. How many guys they send to D1 a year? Man 20?

Speaker 3 1:41:52

18 plus, yeah, plus A lot Every year Venice High School, yeah.

Speaker 1 1:41:59

Are there families that move to certain cities just to get their kids into the school.

Speaker 3 1:42:02

Yes, yeah, yes, did that happen with you? Nah, nah, nah, I was just going with anywhere I fit in.

Speaker 1 1:42:09

Yeah, yeah, I just couldn't imagine going to five different high schools from Bradenton to Orlando. That's a yeah. And then how you turned out, man, that's just. That's why I want these.

Speaker 2 1:42:22

What are you doing over here, dog? I'm doing these seeds.

Speaker 1 1:42:25

That's why I want these kids and anybody that's watching this shit. It's like the hard work ends up paying off, whether you see it directly or indirectly, or immediately, or you know after a minute, the hard work pays off eventually. But you got to stay on it, man. You can't say oh fuck man, my luck ran out, I'm done. A lot of it goes wrong, we don't see immediate success.

Speaker 3 1:42:50

Right, man, Listen, stay grinding. If you want to play ball, man, I tell them all the time if you want to play ball, man, play ball, Keep grinding. But you got to work though. Don't think that it just come from you just coming to practice.

Speaker 3 1:43:02

No, man, you got to put in that time you got to do stuff on your own and I was real big on that. That's why I'm telling you, even though I played corner, I ran the route tree every day. So when I see that receiver coming off that ball, I know when he's going to run it, I can see how you're leaning or I know you can run a slant. When you get high, I can see when you're breaking down, because I done ran that tree so many times I could. Just you got to really put that effort in them. But it's just for the half. To see Most of these kids I'm going to be trying to boy I'd be so confused they think it's just supposed to come like that.

Speaker 3 1:43:35

No, it don't work like that man, it don't work like that. And they only. That's why I tell my kids stop grinding for the people that's on this team. Yeah, you might be the best on this team, but there's somebody right down the street at the other school like that. So how you gonna separate yourself Like you just can't go off of just what you doing on this team, and that's why I gotta try to change their mindset. Like man Colt, can't nobody really guard me or practice. Yeah, that's gonna be young. Don't let this fool you, cause you finna, go get some guys that can guard you Right? That's what kind of work I want you to put in. Don't just get by.

Speaker 1 1:44:08

There's always, you know, bigger fish. There's always somebody that's better. Right, Kids just don't. They don't fully grasp it, because I think they see the social media aspect. They see like, oh, this guy just did this, this guy did this, and I got my son that does the same thing. He's like how the fuck did this kid get offered? I'm like Memphis.

Speaker 3 1:44:24

I don't know.

Speaker 1 1:44:25

I don't know how recruiting works anymore If you use that as a chip on your shoulder. Dude, work your ass off even more, Get better grades. I mean, dude, I don't know what to tell you.

Speaker 2 1:44:38

You know, fuck hotter bitches.

Speaker 1 1:44:43

That usually is the case.

Speaker 2 1:44:44

I mean hey listen, nobody knew who Paul Skeens was before Livvy Dunn, that's a damn good point.

Speaker 3 1:44:50

There you go, that's true, yeah.

Speaker 2 1:44:52

So, hey, do you have any parting words of advice for the audience, maybe even younger individuals that want to make it to the NFL? What was your mentality? You got about four minutes, bro, so I mean whatever you want to impart on them let's hear it.

Speaker 3 1:45:10

So I tell you guys, this man, you're looking at somebody that did it, man. I stayed grounded and I believed in myself wholeheartedly. Listen one thing about life you're going to have obstacles, but you can't resort back to just Like I tell you this all the time right, resort back to just like I tell you this all the time right In high school when you leave high school. You got four years to change your life. That's all. It takes four years. If that don't work, you can always resort back to whatever you want to do, but you got four years to really put time, effort, dedication into whatever you're doing no rush your year either.

Speaker 3 1:45:44

In high school it's four and done, four and done. So, man, listen, believe in yourself and go get it. Trust me, it ain't supposed to be easy. Nothing worth having, that's easy. I'm telling you, you're going to have setbacks, but you got to be mentally strong enough to keep going. Keep going, because whether it's paying out in sports or anything, let's just say, in school, even with the schoolwork, no matter what it's going to pay out in life, I'm telling you, you put the effort out there, it's going to pay out in life. So just keep going, and it ain't easy.

Speaker 1 1:46:17

No, it is not easy. No, you're going to get your ass knocked off. I should have been stopped playing All the time, but I think that getting your ass knocked off, I think that adds to the chip on your shoulder. Yes, you know so.

Speaker 3 1:46:29

And that's my favorite thing to tell kids, though, is you can't be afraid to fail. Yeah, see, most of the people are afraid to fail. So you go out there, you're tiptoeing around and you're scared of what you can't embarrass me, I don't care. You catch a highlight. Cool, you caught one, now do it again. See, that's my biggest thing People be scared to really go out there, because that's how my son is I'm talking about. I got all my ability, but the moment somebody got just as much ability, he kind of shy away a little bit, right, right. And I keep telling him how you know, if you've never been in over six feet high or deep, you know you can go Like you got to go out there and go for it, right, like you can't embarrass me. So what? Yeah, you caught a pass, now do it again. I promise you ain't going to keep doing it. That ain't going to happen. That's not going to happen, but you got to take pride in that man.

Speaker 1 1:47:23

So take pride in whatever you're doing. If you don't have any pride doing it, you're wasting your time. You're wasting everybody around you's time. Take pride in what the fuck you're doing.

The Mental Game and Natural Talent

Speaker 2 1:47:32

Yeah, catch interceptions, not STDs. Amen.

Speaker 1 1:47:36

Jesus Christ.

Speaker 3 1:47:39

And on that note we will see you fucking next time.

Speaker 1 1:47:45

God almighty Sean.

Speaker 2 1:47:47

Hey, fuck it dog. One life to live, bro. One life to live, no man that was awesome.

Speaker 3 1:47:51

I appreciate you, that was a God.

Speaker 1 1:47:53

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Speaker 3 1:48:11

Thank you for great frameworks.

Speaker 1 1:48:12

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