Forced to Scam: Shadrack's Story

There is an uncomfortable truth we may not want to consider, but it's very much a reality for many.

In this powerful episode of Romance Scam Rebellion, Shadrack shares his extraordinary story of being trafficked from Uganda to Cambodia after accepting what he believed was a legitimate IT job.

Instead, he was drugged, taken to a remote scam compound, and forced to participate in romance scams targeting Americans and Canadiana. Shadrack describes the violence, fear, and coercion he experienced—and his eventual escape from the compound.

His story challenges what we think we know about the people behind online scams and reveals another layer of human trafficking that is happening inside Southeast Asian scam compounds.

This is Shadrack's story.

My email: romancescamrebellion@gmail.com

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 Welcome back to the Romance Scam Rebellion. Little did he know that a seemingly innocent job opportunity he found while scrolling Facebook would change his life entirely. The job advertised that he would make much more than he ever could at home, which of course is attractive to any young man looking for opportunity and adventure. There was a recruiter involved, then a conversation over Telegram. Jobs are particularly hard to come by in Uganda, so Shadrack Motavu was excited to start this new path in his career. He had to sell belongings and borrow money for a plane ticket, which he was assured would be reimbursed upon his arrival in Cambodia. He gets on the plane, and it's a very long flight. Upon arrival, he's offered a drink, then blacks out. He's driven for many hours out in the jungle and wakes up to find he's been delivered to a scam compound, where he found out what he was really brought there for, and it was far from what he was originally told. Most who work in these compounds, which are as big as college campuses, are doing a job they don't want to do, but they're forced to do it just to stay alive. If they don't comply with the boss's demands for scamming their clients, which are mainly Americans, Canadians, Australians, and Europeans, they'll be beaten, tased, stabbed, starved, and tortured in many horrific ways. There are some who don't make it out alive. There are thought to be upwards of three hundred and fifty thousand human trafficking victims throughout Southeast Asia. If they're lucky enough to somehow escape or be released from their compound, there are no social services to rely on. They desperately look for food, a place to sleep, all while looking for a way home. And this keeps happening to these young men. We need to create awareness, understanding, and empathy. This is my third interview with a Ugandan, and my heart breaks for them and their families every time. Here's my conversation with Shadrack. I really wanna thank you for being here with me today and for your, your bravery in coming out and telling this story. So first of all, tell us your full name, and then if you could just tell me how this started, how they got you onto the airplane. Was it Cambodia that you went to? Yeah, Cambodia. Okay. So go ahead and tell me how you were recruited. All right. My name is Matovu Shadrack and I'm twenty-four years old. I live in Uganda This is how I ended up being trapped in, in Cambodia On the end of that, he now scam come through. He have one of the big three in the country So it was last year, around October And last year, we're, we're talking 2025, right? Yeah, 2025. Okay. Around October. So I was scrolling past my facebook, and I got a job advert So the advert was speaking about an IT job. And there was a link if you would be interested. There was a link that directed you to the HR. So I tapped the link, and the link directed me to the HR's email So when I talk to the HR, she gave me a Telegram, her Telegram personal account Wait, Telegram. Uh, so you talked to her through Telegram on your phone? We first talked on using email Then later she forwarded me to Telegram. She gave me her username, and then I message her on Telegram. Okay. Yeah. She gave me the job structure, the salary structure, and the working con- How did, what did she say, um, you would be doing in your job? Yeah. She was saying that it was an IT job, and that IT job was about data entry. Okay. And then what was the, the salary? Yeah, the salary was 900 USD monthly salary. Per month? Per month? Yeah. And can you make that kind of money in Uganda? No, you can't. Okay. So that was attractive to you. Nine- 900 US- 900 USD in Uganda, it's about 3 million, 3.2 million Ugandan shillings. That's great. So it's a lot of money. So I was a bit happy. I said maybe it's time to change life, 'cause here in Uganda, it's very, very difficult. Jobs are rare Yet there is a lot of unemployment So we continued talking and she told me to submit my details. She asked whether I have a passport. Luckily, I had processed a passport. My passport Then I sent it to her. Then she told me to get a yellow book of yellow fee Then by that time I was, I was working, but as you know, it's, it's not a daily gig. It's just once in a while, but I used to save some little money. So I went and got all my savings 'Cause she told me they will fund me the air ticket and the visa, but I have, I had to collect the, they call it clearance fee at the airport Yeah. How much was that, did she say? It was around 2 million, was around 600 USD. Oh, wow. So I had to collect that money. So in collecting that money, it wasn't enough, so I sold some of my belongings and also got a loan, Kenyan million shillings. So to raise that money. Yeah. So when I got the money, I contacted her and told her that I've raised the clearance fee, so let's arrange on how I will travel. So she told me to wait for about three to four days for the visa to be processed So I waited. I-- And I think in about three days the visa was out and she sent it to me So she told me the visa is out, now you be waiting for the air ticket So, uh, uh, I think by late October, around thirty, thirtieth, twenty-ninth, thirtieth, around there, that's when I received the air ticket. So the air ticket was, I was supposed to travel on 3rd of November Yeah. So I waited for 3rd November, then I set off. But before setting off, she contacted me to someone at the airport That someone is the clearing agent. You know those scammers, they have agents all over different airports. Whatever airport you reach, you have an agent there you. And most of the agents are within the immigration, so they are being paid by those scammers. So they-- you don't meet the agent, but they give you his contact. He just tells you, "When you reach immigration, go to counter this and this. Say this is the pass-" So for me, he told me, "You say Deo." Deo was the password. So when I reached counter eight, you just say, "Deo." So when you say Deo, they just let you go. No questions. They don't ask you anything. You get. So your money probably- And then you give- went to pay off that agent, do you think? Yeah. So that's the very exact counter where you pay that money. Oh. Yeah. Okay. So when you reach, you just put the envelope, then go. But for me, 'cause we were three, we went a group of three people. For me, I didn't have that money in cash. It was on what? On Mobile Money. So before he told me, because we had talks, and I told him, "You know what? I didn't come with cash. My, the cash I have, I had put it on my phone." So he gave me the phone number where I send that money, and that's where I sent. I didn't have hard cash. So for me, I used Mobile Money to transfer the funds to him. And I remember, I have a screenshot of his number. I don't re- I, I, I will check further and see if not- Save that ... I remember I, I have taken a screenshot. Yeah, save that. Okay So that's how I left Uganda, and it was on 3rd November 2025. So from Uganda, we first laid over in Ethiopia. Hmm. And in Ethiopia, we spent there a whole day. They got us a hotel reservation. We spent there a full day. Then in the evening at around s- at around 8:00 We left Ethiopia, then we boarded to Bangkok, Thailand In Bangkok, Thailand, we rested there for about two hours waiting for the connecting flight. So after the two hours- Did you fly into... Sorry. Did you fly into Phnom Penh from Bangkok? Yeah, from Bangkok we, we flown to Phnom Penh- Okay ... Cambodia. Okay. Yeah. So We, I think we reached at Cambodia, it was around at KTI, that's Tekano International Airport. It was around, it was around 10:00, about 15 minutes to 11:00 at night So That's where I last, I last knew. 'Cause when we reached airport, they gave us a-- There is a guy they told he's a driver. They gave us, drive us. So that guy came with drinks It was juice. So immediately we drank that juice, that's where we lost consciousness. They drugged you? Yeah, I think so So they drove us up to the area was called Mondulkiri 'cause I tried to make research when, when we escaped after the raid. The area was called Mondulkiri, but it's very far, about nine hours from Phnom Penh The province is called Mundeleke Province. So before reaching the, uh, the camp, the, the, the scam compound We woke up, uh, like about fifteen to thirty minutes to the compound. 'Cause I think this guy drugged the, the drug he gave us in the juice, it was time measured that by this time we would be awake and it would be soon to the compound Mm-hmm. So when, when we woke up, we were all wondering what happened. I asked my friends, they also asked me the same question. That immediate after picking the things, they went unconscious and w- that's where fear began Yeah, that'd be a little scary So the driver told us, "No, you are safe." He just said, "I gave you the juice so that you don't get so tired along the way, so that you can get enough sleep and rest." That's what the driver said. Nice to give you a choice. Yeah. So Ah, we reached their compound. We entered. Immediately we entered, they closed it. It's a very big place, and the fence is also very high. Very, very high. About 20 meters up And the place, the place is so isolated. No vehicles, no motorcycles, no watch, no people around. Just, it was like trapped in between a forest, stuff like that So when we reached, we got our bags, the suitcases out of the car. But for me, I had started fearing. It was, "Oh." Then I said, "Let's see what's happening." So there came a Chinese and he asked-- He had our pictures already and the passports. He asked, "Are, are you Matovha Shadrack? Is this you?" I said, "Yes, I'm the one," plus the fellow two guys I went with. So he confirmed that we are the ones and the driver went, drove back So that guy, he first took us to our rooms, we took to our suitcases So they gave us beds. Then he said, "After preparing your beds, you come, I take you to my office." So we went to that HR's office And we, uh, uh, when we reached there, she also had to confirm whether we are the ones. She looked at the passports we sent and the passports we have, the pictures we sent and the, they're very us. So she said, "Aha, you're going to be working and you have to sign a contract. And as well, I need all your passports here." So she submitted the passports. That's the first thing she did. After submitting the passports, they took our phones and deleted everything that was on the phone, the, all the information, whatever we had discussed with them. They deleted each and everything. Good enough for me, I always remember my Google, my email So even if the phone was flashed, good thing some of my contacts were saved on the Google Mail, uh, my, my g- my email. So but the rest, the, uh, the chats were all deleted and were not backed up. So after erasing every information on the phone, they gave us back the phones. So this Chinese guy who got us from the driver, then the HR told him to take us to their office, to their workplace. So we went to the workplace. But reaching the office, we saw a lot of nationalities. Africans, Kenya-- Africans. Now we Africans, there were Ugandans, Kenyans, Rwandese, Congolese, people from Cameroon. Then the Asians, there were the Filipinos, the Pakistanis, the Afghanistans, the Indians, and the Chinese as well. The place was very big and the office was very big So when we reached, we were scattered. I was taken to another group. Uh, the, these other two, one was also taken to another office and another one was also taken to another office And that is the very last day I last saw them. Ever since I went there, I never saw them again. Because we are not, we were not allowed to go to the office that you're not assigned to. You're not allowed to step in there. You're just allowed- Did you- ... to step in the office you're assigned to. Did you know them before you left Uganda? I didn't know them. We just met at the airport. Okay. Okay. Yeah. But you never saw them again? Well, first of all, they're going to make these two people so that you come as a cou- Okay. So I was taken to my office, the assigned office, and on reaching, they showed me a computer. Then I asked them if they are training, 'cause when I, when I was still in Uganda, as I was talking with the HR, she told me I will first gain training then start working. And here things are different. You're telling me to start working. Now what am I going to work what I don't know? 'Cause I was curious. She-- The guy just told me, "Don't ask questions. This is your workbench. This is your PC. This is your chair." I said I, I can't work what I don't know. Then he said, "Okay, let me show you." So he told me to look at the neighbor, the guy who was seated next to the chair I was assigned. Saying that, "Are you seeing what he's doing? He's talking to people. He has a script he's using, and he has numbers of our customers, the clients. So we are going to be giving you customers. You'll be talking to them in form of relationship. You persuade them. You make them fall in love. After making them fall in love, then you forward them to the next section." But I asked the guy, "This is not the type of work I was ... I had applied. This is very different." 'Cause I was told it is a company, manufacturing company. I'm just going to be a data entrant, and here things are different. That's where trouble came from. Out of the blue, I had electric shocks Because you asked a question? Yeah. I just asked, but they never answered me. I just had electric shocks from the behind. I even never knew where the guy came from. On turning back, it was a security guy with electric teasers. Then as you know, I'm a human being, so I tried to fight back. I punched this Chinese guy. But when I punched him, he had a knife. I even have wounds here on my hands, in my back. I have cuts here on my face. Even this. I was cut here and everywhere. Even here I have scars of knives. So the guy started cutting me even here on my hands. So I put my hands to guard the knives so the scars are here. Everything is on my body. Oh my God. So after cutting me, the guy with the teasers again began shocking me with electricity. So they carried me and took me to a room So when I reached that room, I also continued fighting, fighting, fighting, you know, fighting for life. But no one wants to save me. It was like these guys just told me, "If you don't want to die from here, just obey what we are telling you. We shall have no problem with you." So in fear of my life, I had to obey. So they left me, but I was bleeding all over. The face was covered in blood because, uh, here was a cut. I had blood all over my face, m- my legs, my back. I was bleeding all over, and they locked me in that room for two days. Two good days without eating. They said, "You're going to serve an as, as an example, so that whoever does as you've done, when he looks at you, he won't dare fight or do what." So after the two days I was there just thinking, "Why did I come here?" You know, regretting. Oh, yeah. But I also never knew. I just thought it, it is something they did. So after two days they opened. They have a, a clinic inside the, the, the compound. They took me to a doctor. The doctor dressed the wounds. I first showered. He dressed the wounds, treated me, gave me some medicine, warned me- Then they also get me. Immediately after eating, they didn't even allow me to rest because I had, I had injury. They told me to go to the office and I had to obey. If I had refused, they would do the same thing. Yeah. So I went. That's how I started doing the scam job and they only gave me a probation period of three days They told me by within three days you must have captured the, the protocol, the work, the, the working conditions and the procedure. So I had to make my best, you know, you're given... I was even given a target That every month I have to make 50K target, 50K of sales. And that 50K is not me to make them, it's from the clients that I make fall in love and forward them. They deposit money worth 50K, then that means my monthly target is what, is accomplished. And when you say clients, you actually mean victim. Yeah. Because, I mean- So- ... not only you are a victim, but who you're talking to is a victim as well. I understand. I read your profile So that's how I started. And I remember that very day I got lucky. The first client, the number they gave me I, I was new in the system, but I, I managed to do it, to convince him. He was a guy. So when I convinced him within three days, he had already fallen in love, then I forwarded him to them So that's the only client that I forwarded them. And by the end of the month, they would make a meeting for everyone's report that, "Shadrack, this month, this is how you performed But for me, they, they never, they, they didn't pressurize me because they said I have good communication skills. So I had that maintenance, how to maintain these big, these targets. Mm. So they were hoping that maybe one day I'll get someone. They call them big fish, those people who deposit a lot of money, like 200,000, like a million, you get? Yeah. Oh, yeah, I was one of them. But I was tired. Yeah. I was, every time I could just pray, "Oh God, help me. How can I survive this?" And one thing that made me lose hope was there was a guy who tried to escape. When he escaped and went to a police, to a nearby police station in that Mundri Kiri province, the, the very policemen are the ones who returned him to the compound. So that means they bribe the security organizations, the police, the army, some big people in government, they give them bribes. So-- And most people be knowing about that system because they pay them. Yeah. So- There's no help. There's absolutely no help for you guys over there. Yeah. So luckily I had spent there two months, two and a half months So in January, uh, it was around twenty something. Twenty, twenty... I don't remember the exact date, but in twenty something. So there was a raid The army in attachment with the police, they came and raided the what? The compound So this wasn't the local police then, right? It ... Do you know who the police were? Because it wasn't the local police, right? It wasn't the local police. The police was from the capital, from P- in Open. Oh, okay. Yeah. Okay. And good enough, the police told us, "You are victims. We are not going to detain you. We are not going to beat you, but we want the Chinese, and we want you to give us the," what? "The real information what you've been doing here." And that's what we did So the Chinese had already flown away 'cause we were sleeping by the time the raid came, and none of the Chinese was there. Mm. Maybe these local, these local police had already alerted them that they are coming. So we went to that HR's office, get our passports, but everything was scattered, you know. Everyone was looking. But good enough for me, my passport had a red cover. I put it, our passports, the Ugandan passports are blue, but I got a red cover for easy identification. So it was down and I, it was the only one with a red cover. So that's how I got it. That's, I was very lucky to get it. Yeah. 'Cause most of, most of the people lost their passports. And there were these nationals, the Nigerians, Ghanaians, and Camerons, they used to take those passports and they sold them So that's- Who did they sell them to? I don't know how they make it, but they used to collect passports and sell them. Hmm. They probably just removed the photograph and put somebody else's photograph in there, I imagine. May- maybe they used that. Yeah. I think so. Okay. Sure I thought everything was done, but life outside was even harder There was nothing to eat There were some fellow Ugandans who helped me with shelter for about one week. But for them, they had money. They had already, you know, they were-- there were people who were paid, those people who had experience- Hmm ... in the scam job. They had a monthly payment, so they used to pay them I didn't think anybody got paid, but there are some who, who do. Yeah. They, they don't pay everyone. More especially the newcomers, they don't pay you. You first gain an experience of about half a year, like six months, then you start being paid. Okay. Okay. So there, there is a part I jumped Before the raid, these, these Chinese use models. They are used to be models, but models of different nationalities A- American models, both men and women Are they victims as well? They are not victims. The models work willingly, 'cause they even get vacation. They go on vacations, they come back. Oh, wow. So they know what they are doing, 'cause you can't be a victim and you get a vacation and then come back. Right. Right. Yeah, models of different nationalities. There were Chinese models as well. There were Canadians, models from UK, France, Germany. So when you get a target who is from France, you assign that target with a, a, a model. Okay. To a model who is from France. If she's a lady, you assign her to a, a male model. So the use of those models was to make video calls and audio calls, and even meetups They could arrange for meetups and these models are given tickets, flight tickets to go and meet those victims so that the victim gains trust, knows that this is the real person I'm talking with Yeah So another part I jumped, there was a guy, I think he was from Phili- was he from Philippines? He was a Filipino 'Cause during, uh, in office, the work we were doing- Mm-hmm ... there were stages underlined. Now for us, the newcomers, we are told we're doing first line. First line is that process of making someone fall in love. After gaining enough trust, you forward to the second line. So second line is for those people who are, who had experience for about six months, one year So there was what they called a first recharge. So the second line is made by-- The people who are in the second line are the ones who make a client make a first recharge So after the first recharge, the second line forwards to the third line who are the Chinese When the Chinese, the tagline they, uh, make a client like show him, introduce the business, the work. I hope you understand what I'm saying. Yeah. Yes. Mm-hmm. Yeah. When they introduce the work, so there was someone who was called a killer. So a killer is that someone who makes the, the target deposit the money. So after killing you, you're cut off. You're done. The target is done. They call it killing process After getting all your money, it's called a killing process. Then you're cut off. They no longer want to hear. They put you in the garbage. Then that's how it used to be. Continuous to every target And as we were working, there were qualifications And they had age limit. So people of 21 years and below, they were called disqualified. You get a target, you talk, you get to know that he or she is 21 years and below. You just put that one in the disqualified So if the target is twenty-two years to seventy years, then he's qualified Wow. So you can, you can steal from anyone 22 years and above? So long as he is 22 years and above, he's qualified. Oh my God, that's frightening. Because a lot of people over here in the US, a lot of people over in the US believe that it's only the older people who are targeted. People don't talk about the younger people who are being targeted. Are they targeted the same way as the older people? Do you reach out to them and have them fall in love with you as well? Okay. About your question, now for me, the office I was working in, we were only working upon people from USA and Canada. So other offices, each office was assigned a nationality to work upon. So there are, there were offices to work upon the French people, the German people, the Spanish, the Chinese, the Asian people. You get. Mm-hmm. So for me, in our, in our office were people from USA and Canada. That was the age limit, 22 to 70 years old. But was the script- Why I know- ... the script the same for a 22-year-old as it is for a 50-year-old? Do you still try and make them fall in love with you, the younger people? Yeah What, what do you do to the younger people? I mean- Oh, the, the younger people of 21 years and below No, no, no, 22, 22 years to 30 years, let's say. What do you say to them? Oh, 22 years to 30 years. Yeah. The same process. Same thing. Just, yeah, the same process. Just that what they told us, these people, that people of 35 to 40, 60, 70 years, they are considered big fish. They deposit much money compared to these- Oh, to the younger ones So even they, they always used to tell us, "If you get a client or, or a target of 35 years and above, you give that target time." Even if two weeks or three weeks, keep on talking with him. But these young people, they know they deposit this money around $100, 50 USD. So for those you don't give them time, they give you a probation period of seven days. By seven days you, you might have made them fall in love. And they always told us that young people easily fall in love, so they were easily scammed. You know, someone of 40, 50 years, at least some might have had experience about it. So you have, you have to give time, you get. Yeah. Even another target who was not allowed to work upon was that someone who has scammed you. If you talk or he goes to the, to the second line, and the second line they introduce the job and the target says, "I was scammed before. I have experience about this." Then that target is qualified That's where he ends, he or she ends. Mm Yes. So what happened after you, after the Ugandans took you in and helped you out? How did you escape from Cambodia? Okay. So when I went out, I told you I had-- there were some fellow Ugandans who at least provided me with shelter and food for a week. But for them, they had already worked, they had experience. They couldn't buy me a ticket, but they could get a ticket for themselves to go back home. So life became much harder when they went, 'cause I almost spent I spent almost a month sleeping on streets Almost. Yeah. And on streets, what we used to do was I found other, other fellow Africans who were also stranded on the streets. They had no money to pay hotels, buy food. What we used to do, we used to go to temples to collect food. You know, the, those Asians have gods, and they always put food on their gods. Yeah. So that is, that is the food we used to eat for survival That's good. That's good. Yeah. So one day there was a man He met us. He's a Cambodian journalist So he told us about Caritas. I think you know Caritas organization. I've heard of them, yeah. Yeah. There is a, a, a Christian organization, Catholic organization called Caritas. It operates They, they told us it's originally from Switzerland, but it has branches in different countries. So it is even there in Cambodia. Because we couldn't get help. They, there are no United Nations organization in Cambodia. They don't have any office there. So he told us, "I can take you to Caritas." Okay, we said, "Let's go since they provide food and shelter, let's go for survival." But he, he didn't take us immediately. He had to first contact them. Mm. And when we went there, they didn't allow us to enter immediately 'cause it was full, so we used to sleep outside Caritas gate We had a mat, so we could lay down that mat. That's where I would sleep So when people started going back home, those who had got tickets and carried us had got some places for entries, then they took us in So at Caritas I also spent, I spent there I think it was about one month and two weeks, something like that So When I reached Caritas, the situation at least became easier. Survival. Food was there in time, medication was there. So that's how I even managed to get a ticket. They got me a ticket to go back home And I, I came back in May Again, in May of 2026. Yeah, May of 2026. It was on 28th of May. That's when I left So you've only been home for a couple months So ever since I came back home, it's... I f- let me see, 'cause May was almost over. I reached when May, I reached on 30th May here in Uganda. So you- So- Yeah. So now it's the end of July. Almost- So you've been here- ... two months. Yeah, two months. Yeah, almost two months- Mm-hmm ... ever since I came back. So tell me about coming home. Were you welcomed home? So on coming home, remember I had lost contacts. Some of the contacts were not on, were not backed up on my, my Gmail. So- Did, so did you get your phone back? Sorry. Did you get your phone back? Yeah, I have my, the phone, I have- Oh, they never took it. They just erased everything. They didn't take it, but they erased each and everything. That's right. Okay. Yeah. Okay. So on coming back home, I came back unannounced They, my family members didn't know. So when I told them what really happened and the situation where I was, so my stepdad was like, "No, you're lying. What and what? You know what you've been doing." So he chased me away from home So even right now, I'm depending on friends. Just know I don't have a stable home. This day I'm here, tomorrow I'm there, tomorrow I'm there. They are just friends helping Oh, thank you. And when I came back, while, while I was still in Cambodia, I got a problem. I caught a cold, and ever since then till now it's still affecting me. 'Cause the tablets I had got from Caritas, the ones I came back with, they are now finished. Mm. So you need more medication? I, I will send you a video of my leg, my foot. While-- During the raid, while we were running, it was hit by a metal, so till now it is still swollen So that's how life is here. I've tried looking for jobs, but jobs are not here. As you know our country, our country also has insecurities. Now of recently it has been declared in level four do not travel by the US. I think you know that, that information. So even here where I am, it's my friend's place. As he was going, I told him, "Please help me with that intro that I make this Saturday." 'Cause last time we had arranged on Saturday, we couldn't. He went and announced. He never told me. But he's the only person who has stable internet where we can talk with and no interruption. So that is our life. Does your stepdad allow you to speak with your mother? Yeah, I talked with my mom, but as you know, I don't-- I, I can't, I can't force my mom because even my mom has problems as, as a lady. My mom is also an orphan. Both the dad, the mom died. So she produced me while she was still a teenager. She produced me at 17. So it's that man who has been taking care of her since then, and they have three kids. So I can't be a burden and interrupt. If I try to say something, you never know, the man might also say the mom to go away Great. So I, I just can't go in between them. Yeah. Now for me, I grew up without a dad, because I don't know my dad. My mom had me at when she's a teenager So that is life Well As it is. Wow. I wish I could change it for you. Yes, please. I wish I could change it for you. I wish I could do something Um, well, did you contact that Moses over there? Yeah, I did, I did contact them, but what they, they also tell me is that they are also trying to, to settle back. So, you know, if someone tells you like that and you've ever been in such a situation, you can understand the condition. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So you can't- Yeah persist. Well, I need you to keep fighting and to, you know- survive for a while until something good happens. Something hopefully good will happen. I'm still trying to survive over here too, but it's a battle every day, isn't it? I try my best. I've never lost hope. I know maybe one day, one time things will get better. Good. Good, good. Yeah. Well, I really appreciate you telling your story. Keep in contact with me, okay? And let me know- All right ... what's going on with you. And- Okay ... thank you so much. Thank you so much as well for listening to me. Okay. We'll talk soon. Okay. Bye-bye. Okay. Bye-bye My heart is broken. I'm trying to get him some medical help, but so far haven't found anyone willing or able. If you know someone or are willing to help, please reach out to me. I'll have my email in the show notes. Stay safe out there. I'm Anola Johnson and this is the Romance Scam Rebellion