Slimfast for Lunch and a Sensible Dinner.

 Episode 38: Slimfast for Lunch and a Sensible Dinner.

Are dietary guidelines actually changing—or have we been misled all along?**

In this episode, we break down the **truth behind modern nutrition, diet culture, and food trends**—from outdated “low-fat” rules to today’s evolving science on what we *should* be eating.

Inspired by insights from Dr. Jessica Knurick, we unpack the latest discussions around dietary guidelines, explore the history behind nutrition advice, and revisit iconic food fads that shaped how we eat today.

From **processed foods vs whole foods**, to **low-carb vs low-fat debates**, to the emotional side of eating—we keep it real, relatable, and grounded in both science and personal experience.

 If you've ever questioned what’s actually healthy… this episode is for you.

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#  CHAPTERS

00:00 Intro – What Are We Really Eating?
06:12 Food Perception & Upbringing
12:24 Karen Story Segment
18:36 Habits, Routine & Wellness
24:48 Dietary Guidelines Explained
31:00 Whole Foods vs Processed Foods
37:12 Real-Life Balance & Chaos
43:24 Food Trends & Diet Fads
49:36 Low-Fat vs Low-Carb Debate
55:48 Sugar, Snacks & Nostalgia

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 WHAT YOU’LL LEARN

✔️ Why dietary guidelines keep changing
✔️ The truth about “healthy eating” trends
✔️ How diet culture shaped our food choices
✔️ The difference between real nutrition vs hype
✔️ Practical insights you can actually apply

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#  SOURCES & REFERENCES

• Dr. Jessica Knurick – Dietary Guidelines Breakdown
[https://www.instagram.com/reel/DKz4wHpv-a-/?igsh=c2t1ZzliaGFzamlo]

• CNN – History of Dietary Guidelines
[https://www.cnn.com/2026/01/08/health/what-to-eat-experts-dietary-guidelines-wellness]

• Vogue – Food Fads by Decade
[https://www.vogue.com/slideshow/fad-diet-trends-weight-watchers-atkins-paleo-diet]

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WHY YOU SHOULD WATCH

This isn’t just another nutrition talk.
It’s a **real conversation** about how food, culture, and misinformation collide—and how to cut through the noise.

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Transcript

Cold Open On Diet Culture

SPEAKER_01 0:09

Today we are talking about the culture from Focus to Hold Fluff. Get in my belly. Today we are talking about diet culture and how it has evolved over the past 30 years from diet programs, fat-free everything, and thin as in to a shift in focus to whole foods, high protein, healthy fats, and strong ain't wrong. Okay, I made that one up, but wellness and muscle tone over being skinny. So bring a small appetite and grab yourself a slim fast friend.

SPEAKER_03 1:04

So good.

SPEAKER_01 1:06

But of course, before we set the table, I gotta know who are you calling Karen? Hey, Mammy. Hey, hey, hey.

SPEAKER_04 1:19

You're both so good, Seth.

SPEAKER_03 1:21

Hi, Karen. Hi. Nope. Nope, do it.

unknown 1:26

No.

SPEAKER_03 1:27

Do the hey, hey, hey. No, I'm nervous now. I'll do it later. Chicken.

SPEAKER_01 1:35

I'm so excited to talk about food.

SPEAKER_03 1:38

Detail. I was um trying to think of a food Karen, but oh, like the last minute, I just couldn't come up with something. Um, but I do have one that I would love your opinions on if this is Karen behavior or not.

Figure Skating Pep Talk Or Privilege

SPEAKER_03 1:54

I was trying to pull from my childhood because I feel like there's probably a lot of Karen's in the 90s. And um the one thing that came to mind was I was a figure skater growing up. I skated for like seven years, so it wasn't just a hobby, it was legit. And we got to a point in, I think I was in middle school where I had I was like only doing private lessons. I had like gotten past, you know, all of like the class, uh the group class stuff. And so it was it was getting pretty serious and it was getting really expensive. And it got to a point where my parents were like basically like, I'm sorry, but we can't afford this anymore, so you have to quit your sport. And so that happened. And it was it wasn't like devastating to me. Like I was getting into the thick of middle school, like my friends and sports at school were the most important thing. So it was fine. But when we made that decision, I had like I don't know how many weeks left before uh we weren't kind of starting the next season. And one of the women who was a friend of mine's mom, she like ran stuff at the rank, and she kind of pulled me aside one day. She had clearly assumed that I had chosen to quit the sport. And she was trying to pep talk me into staying. Like she was saying, you know, you're such a talented skater and you have such a bright future. And you I just hope you've really thought about this and maybe reconsider because we love having you here, you know, like all of that, like kind of pep talky stuff. And I remember being uncomfortable because I didn't want to like air my parents' laundry and be like, well, I would love to stay, but my parents can't afford this, you know. So I was just like, okay, thank you. Um, you know, I'll think about it or whatever. And then I just kind of never approached it with her again. Like, and that was it at the time. I would say comfortably like just middle class. And so figure skating is a very expensive sport when you get to, you know, the the more senior levels, and and so like you have to have a lot of money to continue on in a sport like that. It wasn't anything in hindsight to really be embarrassed about or worry about my parents about, but I didn't know the world, you know? And so like I didn't know if I could say that. But I guess I'm wondering is that mom a Karen for like having that conversation with me? Should that have been a conversation she had with my parents and not me? Like it's kind of presumptuous, and it I do think an important element here is that that family had a lot of money. It was very clear based on their house, their cars. You know, her daughter was a friend of mine.

SPEAKER_04 4:52

Well, I just went back and listened to our goodbye, Earl, hello outrage episode where you said I made an outrageous claim about Sister Mary Clarence. I did make this connection, and this is giving similar energy.

SPEAKER_03 5:10

Also, you said But no, she came to me, not to the mom.

SPEAKER_04 5:16

Still, was it her place to say anything at all? Me, is that what you're asking?

SPEAKER_03 5:23

Is that what you're asking? Yeah, I am I well.

SPEAKER_04 5:26

I just want to be I just want to be clear about what we're asking. So I want to say that and I think you thought she should have gone to my parents. I just I also want to give justice to you said play the clip about Sister Mary Clarence. And I did go back, and people on Instagram agree with me that Rita's mom stood on business, and you guys added a whole lot of extra to what Sister Mary Clarence said that she didn't actually say. And I just want you guys to go back and play the clip on that one because she did not say all the things to Rita's mom that you guys think she might have said.

SPEAKER_03 6:03

Let's not raise that argument, please, because we could go on a really long time. I just want to know if this mom is giving similar energy. I know I did think about that though. I did think about that. What did you think about? Say more. Who is she to you?

SPEAKER_01 6:17

Like, why would was she did she coach or did she run the?

SPEAKER_03 6:21

She worked at the rink, and the only thing I really remember is that she played our music during like we would have you would pay for like an hour of ice time, and then you would have like 30 minutes with your coach. And so this woman was responsible for like playing our music when we were practicing our routine. I remember that, but I think she did a lot of other like administration at the rink. That's just how I knew her. So I'm downplaying her role, but like, yeah, I think she did a lot of just administration around the rink. She was a ring, and she were so she worked there, she knew you had been she knew me in in skating and out of because I was friends with her daughter at school. We went to school together.

SPEAKER_01 7:08

What were you gonna say, Manika?

SPEAKER_03 7:10

I said what I said. I just want to know if you think that was Karen behavior, like approaching a you know, probably 14-year-old girl making assumptions about why she was quitting.

SPEAKER_01 7:23

I feel like that's you know, I'm gonna say the same thing I said about Sister Mary Clarence. Like, I am a coach, and when you have people who come through your program from very young and teenager, 12, 13 years old decide to quit and they've been doing it for so long, I would, as their coach, say something, especially if they were my student, you know, especially if I worked with them one-on-one. Um, or whatever.

SPEAKER_03 7:53

That wasn't the relationship though that I true.

SPEAKER_01 7:56

Um, so maybe she, you know, maybe it would have been better coming from your coach. So maybe maybe she didn't have a place to say. So maybe she is a Karen, but the question being asked to you at 14, if it was your coach, I would have asked you and not your parents too, if it were me.

SPEAKER_04 8:14

Yeah, I think it's more like when I consider this, I think it's like intent versus impact, you know? And like I I would agree, like, and I and I actually do agree about like this is why I I know I'm joking about like the sister Mary Clarence stuff, but I do agree that like as an educator, as a guide, like my primary role is to light my kids up, you know? And so like if I see their light dimmed, like I'm gonna do everything I can to encourage that enthusiasm and to bring that zest back, you know. And so I think sometimes, you know, our way of doing it might not have been in this situation, like what she how she did it, uh, it might have been a little more tone-deaf with the expense side of it, instead of operating, like we say, from a place of curiosity of like, I'd love to hear more about like what's going on. Um, maybe that, but I think her intent was to have an impact on you to like show what she saw in you and your value in the community. And I don't I don't think that that makes her a Karen. I think it's more just like the privilege, which kind of I guess is a Karen, the the privilege of her children be able being able to enjoy the sport without having to consider any of the you know stuff around it is her being tone deaf. Yeah, but that's also kind of a Karen, you know.

SPEAKER_03 9:36

But I do think that is a little bit Karen of just you know she she hadn't even considered that that was a reason. The only reason that could have been real for her was that I was choosing to leave figure skating out of my own personal choice. And so I think your point on leading with curiosity is really important. Like this is just something that we all need to be better about, instead of just assuming you know why I'm quitting, but starting with a question like, can you share, you know, are you comfortable sharing with me why you're quitting? Because we're going to miss you. That would have been, I think, a better way to approach it.

SPEAKER_01 10:23

And I think on the flip side though, if you know, someone didn't another thought is the idea of just making sure, you know, she didn't do it right. She should have led with a question, she doesn't know why, she's not your coach, she didn't train you, so she doesn't really have grounds to like, you know, try and convince you or whatever. But on the flip side, if you see that a someone who is a part of your program is not leaving and you feel like you just hope that they know how talented they are and how valuable they are, and how you know the intent I'm hoping is that she just didn't want you to leave without knowing that she saw potential in you and that you were a talent and somebody that will be missed, like you said. But like you said, like she should have asked. She, and that's heavy for a 14-year-old who is leaving their sport not by their own accord. That's happened, you know, at my studio many times, and it's it's very devastating. And it's you know, and the kids on the other side of it, they either like she just quit our team, and it's like, well, you know, we have to treat that with sensitivity. You don't know fully why, you don't know what happened here. Like, I get that you'll miss her and we have to redirect and stuff, so you know.

SPEAKER_03 11:40

Thanks. That's all for me. Nanny, over to you.

SPEAKER_04 11:43

That felt like free therapy for you.

SPEAKER_03 11:45

I hadn't thought about it in years. Like I said, I was trying to think of something further back because I don't have anything recent that came to mind. But that was the first story that came to my mind, and I thought, huh. Like now as an adult, reflecting on that moment feels very different than how it felt then. Or like, or my understanding of it then, you know.

SPEAKER_04 12:07

Yeah, and obviously being a parent now, you kind of have an understanding of why parents make decisions and why other people's opinions on those decisions are sometimes just unwarranted. Like like Rita's mom. Nope. Nope. Okay.

Netflix Podcasts And Who Gets Featured

SPEAKER_04 12:28

So my Karen of the Week is I'm gonna keep it very simple. Um, and I don't really know if this is still what it is or not, but a few weeks ago I was doing something, pulling up our streaming services and clicking on Netflix, and Netflix now has um a podcast where you can watch podcasts on Netflix, which seems strange in of itself to be a sentence that I'm saying right now. But my Karen is Netflix because all the podcasts that were highlighted, I scrolled at least through six or seven. And all of them were men.

SPEAKER_03 13:19

White men. Boo. Really? I thought you were gonna say the famous people thing, which was also, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 13:28

And then there's also that was also gonna lead me into that of like I said for listeners to give you some background. I sent to Steph and Karen a clip from some podcasters, um, I think it was the podcast Love to See It, where they, I know for a fact, started like almost 10 years ago recapping The Bachelor. They got me into podcasts and into podcast recapping. I don't really listen to them much now, but they have really built their brand. They have really done the work to make podcasting an industry that is like respectable. And they're what they were talking about on this clip that I sent to you guys is that there's a podcast awards, I guess, now that's happening. And the people who are receiving the awards are celebrities. And it's like, well, of course these celebrities are going to have the most views, the most watched, or whatever, because they already have the name where podcasters like us and uh love to see it, you know, we're really working to out from nothing to try to get our voices and our messages heard. And it's a lot harder to gain visibility that way than it would be for a celebrity to do so on a podcast. And so, yeah, so I think there's just really gonna be, if I am seeing this correctly and channeling this correctly, I think there's really gonna be a conversation around the podcast industry in the next couple of years of like who's in it, how these awards and stuff work. Like, I just feel like there's a shift here coming, and I don't really know what it is, but I think that more people are starting to recognize that like celebrities are starting to take up the space and um men sorry, I would argue they've taken up the space, like it feels done. Yeah, and so I guess a great way to kind of uplift that is like just thank you guys for listening, and please um leave reviews and subscribe to our podcast because um it is definitely a saturated industry, but that doesn't keep us from speaking on these airwaves what it is that we feel we should speak and share, and um and particularly that it's saturated with white male voices and some of those clips that we see on Instagram getting thousands and millions of views of men saying things that are absolutely deplorable. Um, and for Netflix to then go and highlight that only men featured on podcasts, it's like like we cannot say that men, there's a male loneliness or male epidemic or male like we cannot say that. Like it just the facts are are right there in front of our face. So Netflix do better. You're coming to Mammoth County, you're building right in behind our neighborhood right now. So I will find you and I will hunt you down.

SPEAKER_03 16:23

And clip on the next lifetime movie where it's like fast forward, and it's like that's the last time anybody heard from Manika.

SPEAKER_04 16:34

I'd stand on business on that though. That was not a threat, it's just a warning, as Cat Cardi P says.

SPEAKER_03 16:42

We are a comedy podcast. I don't know.

SPEAKER_04 16:47

It was just a joke.

SPEAKER_01 16:51

All right, all right. Well, thank you for those Karen's.

Send Us Your Karen Stories

SPEAKER_01 16:56

You just heard our Karen stories, but we can't be the only ones. If you've had a Karen or Chad encounter or confessional, you've been a Karen yourself. We'd love to hear from you. Wherever you listen, click on the link in our show notes and text us your Karen stories. Okay.

New Dietary Guidelines And Propaganda

SPEAKER_01 17:15

So this topic idea started how most days since January 20th, 2025 started. I wake up asking, what kind of fresh hell will we find ourselves in today? And I came across a video by my girl, Dr. Jessica Neurik. You guys, you know how much I love her. You do. We do. I love her so much. Dr.

SPEAKER_04 17:41

Jessica Neurik, you are quick question. Would you go les for her?

SPEAKER_01 17:48

Do you know what's funny? I would I don't know what the answer is to that question, but I sound like a yes to me. But like I like was scrolling to find the this video that I and I was like, every time, like it, I you know, we have our like saved reels and stuff for our podcasts, and I was scrolling through and I was like, I know there's one. And every time she came across the screen, I like gave the most gooey-eyed smile. And I like felt myself do it. I was like, she's just so smart and so like articulate and clear and direct.

SPEAKER_03 18:23

There's something very, isn't there? What'd you say? There's something very attractive.

SPEAKER_00 18:31

There's something very attractive about that. You have a lot of respect for her, that's for sure. I do. Uh I do.

SPEAKER_01 18:38

Um, so anyway, I came across Dr. Jessica, and she was letting us know that the dietary guidelines for um have been changed by the current administration. And I have linked the video in our show notes. So I'm not gonna play it just because, again, I could get carried away with what she talks about in this video, and I can get carried away with what um she has to say and how she organized these thoughts. It could be a whole episode in itself. But I want to just pull out some key points from the video. First of all, I'm not sure if you are you guys familiar with the fact that the dietary guidelines have changed, as in like um dietary guidelines meaning like the four food groups to the pyramid to Yep. Okay.

SPEAKER_04 19:26

I think I did we cover this on the episode the last.

SPEAKER_01 19:29

I don't think this had happened when we did uh Maha the last time. Okay. This this particular thing. Basically, she in her video, she plays like one of the secretaries. It wasn't RFK Jr., it was this other guy. I think maybe he's the lead, the secretary of like the USDA, and RFK Jr. is health and human sciences, but he was talking about the fact um it cuts into him saying, like, we really need to get rid of the food pyramid, like it just is old school, like it doesn't do what it needs to do. And so we have created a new food pyramid, and basically it takes the food pyramid and it turns it on its head. So it's now this upside-down pyramid, and you know, the original pyramid had like how many servings and it was like sliced. This is just like pictures of food in the shape of an upside-down triangle now. And and so um, some of her key points are one, they replace something that 90% of Americans don't actually follow. Like, not many Americans actually turn to the dietary guidelines for their meal planning. And she talks about why that is, and it's because our systems make it difficult to do so. So this is why I said I don't want to play the video because I could go on and on about that. So definitely please watch the video. So, A, 90% of Americans don't actually follow it, and B, the food pyramid was replaced 15 years ago. It was replaced in 2011 by my plate. Sorry, I get so angry when thinking about this. My plate actually makes perfect sense. It gives you a plate and it divides it. That's saying half your plate should be vegetables and fruits, the other half whole grains and protein, and then dairy, like on the side, like off the side of the plate. So I think that was kind of what was missing from the pyramid, is that it wasn't like meal by meal, it was more like over the course of a day. She said they count on Americans not knowing that, hence boosting this false narrative that Maha movement is going to save the day, but truly it's just propaganda. Because, you know, since uh RFK Jr. has come in and um basically wiping out all the scientists and nutritionists that have been doing the This research for many, many years, um, and kind of making them not credible and then acting like they're fixing some issue, but this issue did not exist because the food pyramid hasn't been in place for 15 years. So it's propaganda. And three, the other key point from this video is as always, Dr. New York points out that changing dietary guidelines that Americans don't follow is not directing us toward public health, and that public health can only be fixed by dismantling the systems that this administration upholds. Access to health care, accessibility to fresh food, nutrition assistance programs that have recently been gutted, etc. So that's really the point of the video. So I was kind of just sitting there thinking about like the dietary guidelines being changed and you know, SNAP and all that stuff being cut. And then I just started to think about the food pyramid in a more nostalgic way because I was like, huh, I remember the food pyramid. Like I literally remember it being introduced. And so that I started wondering about like the federal government, when did they start issuing dietary guidelines and what what really is their purpose? Like, why did the does this even exist? Like, I kind of went down, like my brain kind of wandered off from anger to the food pyramid. I forgot about that. And I remember like learning about it. So um, I just want to give this like brief background on dietary guidelines, and then I wanted to pause and ask you guys a quick question. So the first actual dietary guidelines were issued in 1980. Like there were um, there were previous dates before this, but dietary guidelines started in 1980, and then in 1992 was when the food pyramid was introduced. So I was like, ah, 1992. Like that's like right when we were coming up, and I remember like talking about I remember before that it was like the four food groups, and you know what I mean. Um, then 2005, my pyramid was added in activity and they changed the pyramid to be vertical and those like stripes. And then 2011 is when my plate was launched, and I just want to remind everyone that it is 2026. So again, no need to replace the food pyramid because it was replaced already. And so then I found this explanation of what the focus was or the purpose, like why even have dietary guidelines. And so um, from the 1900s to the 1950s, diet it was because of deficiencies. So, like that was when there was scurvy rickets and just ensuring people actually have enough energy. And then from the 1980s, it was because to the present was about reducing chronic disease, so like obesity, heart disease, managing fats, added sugars, and sodium. And now there's an emphasis on nutrient-dense whole foods, limiting processed foods and added sugars, and um expanding to provide recommendations across lifespan, including for infants. Um, I just kind of didn't really understand why there were even guidelines. Um, so I was just kind of wanting some background on that.

Food Pyramid Memories And Home Ec

SPEAKER_01 25:14

My first question to you before we get into really what we're talking about today is do you guys remember the food pyramid, like when it was introduced? And um, what did you learn about what makes up a balanced diet? Like I feel like when I watched 90s commercials, they'd be like, as part of a balanced diet or something like that. And I'm like, what does that even what did that mean to you guys then? Or do you like does this bring up any like memories of like learning about food and diet and all that kind of stuff at school?

SPEAKER_03 25:42

Or yeah, I definitely remember the food pyramid. I was actually surprised that it was 92 when that came out because the food pyramid is the only memory I have of like like how we structured conversation around what a well-balanced diet was. But I know I liked having all of my uh carbs there on the bottom that I could eat as much of as I wanted. Uh, not exactly, but that's how my diet is definitely orchestrated today.

SPEAKER_04 26:13

So like in 1992 in elementary school, all I remember about like healthy eating and healthy foods is that there was like an ungodly obsession with milk. And like having milk with your school lunches was like required, and I hated milk, and I just remember that being like totally stupid to me. Like, I don't even want to drink milk right now, and I always had to get like a milk with my lunch.

SPEAKER_03 26:42

Um man, that's coming full circle. That's all they talk about. Like whole milk. Ugh, like, yeah. Raw milk.

SPEAKER_01 26:51

You're no, not necessarily whole milk, like raw milk, raw milk.

SPEAKER_03 26:55

They're saying they're saying that whole milk needs to be available in schools because one of the Michelle Obama things was like making it 1% and 2%, and now RFK Junior is spouting that like whole milk needs needs to be what's available in schools. All I know about milk was I was very lactose intolerant when I was a kid, so there was no milk with my school lunch. That would have been disastrous for everyone involved.

SPEAKER_01 27:23

I actually found like something they were saying in the 90s that you were actually supposed to have three glasses of milk a day, and of course, the got milk like the got milk ads.

SPEAKER_03 27:34

Oh yeah. Oh my gosh.

SPEAKER_01 27:37

I like to like there was like a big thing on milk back then. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 27:41

So I remember that about elementary school, and then I remember in middle school taking home economics and in home ec that's where we really focused on like the uh food pyramid and making meals that would be more for like a balanced diet. And I remember making um baked potatoes in a microwave.

SPEAKER_01 28:05

That's so oh my gosh. I was first of all, thank you. Because I was so hoping someone would say that you got you talked about it at home, because that's when I feel like we talked about the food pyramid and like meal planning and all that stuff. And we one I can't remember what grade it was, but we had to prepare a meal or prepare a dish. And I also did I did twice baked potatoes. Twice baked potatoes, yep. Yes, but we got to I it wasn't in the microwave, we got to put it in the oven and stuff. Ooh, yeah, you guys are fancy.

SPEAKER_04 28:38

We were that's so funny. But I think what maybe you will go on. I'll I'll save this comment, but um, I do want to put a pen here. I don't know if it's coming later on in the line, down the line, but um we to relate back to your girl's piece about the systems, um, home economic is no longer offered. Home economic issues. I was just gonna ask that. Why? Um go ahead. I I was just gonna say that like when it comes to like teaching and educating about this, um, I find it interesting that that course got removed out of school. That's like the most important course. A part of me feels like it's something with the patriarchy and it being a woman identified uh elective that they didn't decide. But that's it.

SPEAKER_01 29:32

My school does offer it. So this isn't something that is um this isn't something that we are is coming up against. So I like we can like I'm I didn't even think about this. Um, but my school does offer it, but it's just not called home ec anymore. Oh, okay. Um they call it family consumer sciences. Oh and so my club my school has I think in seventh grade is when you start to cook, like they make they make things and stuff, and there's it's a room with the kitchens and all that stuff, and they and they cook, but they also talk about like financial planning for your home and stuff too. So it's like it's like more comprehensive. It's required in middle school. Um, I think in high school it becomes elective, but they do have to take it.

SPEAKER_04 30:20

Yeah, it was required in middle school for me. Same for me. Yeah. Um, but I do you are right. I do remember it changing to the name Family Consumer Sciences. I just know in this area they've replaced it with STEM.

SPEAKER_01 30:34

Oh, so they don't like make anything? Because you know what these kids don't do in that class, which we did in my home at class, was sew.

SPEAKER_03 30:43

Mm-hmm. Yeah.

unknown 30:44

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 30:45

You definitely don't that that is a little more obsolete. So I'm I'm okay with them getting rid of that and adding fancy.

SPEAKER_04 30:57

You should know how to like thread a needle.

SPEAKER_01 30:59

And I'm telling you, as a dance teacher, when we send a costume home and we're like, hey, can you just so you just need to sew this bow here on this costume? And these are moms are like, ah, I'm like, up and down, honey, up and down. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 31:12

I don't I don't touch the needle or threading.

SPEAKER_04 31:14

They could make that so cool, like because the kids are all into like bedazzling now. Like they're into like bedazzling, like even boys are into like bedazzling their cleats. I saw you could do a really cool unit on like sewing, fashion, and stuff in that class. So anyway, sorry to derail us, but those were the membranes that came up.

SPEAKER_01 31:37

No, that's exactly what I was hoping for. Um, because this is the same thing that happened to me. Like, I saw that and I got fuming mad about the administration, and then I got real nostalgic about you know, home ec and learning about food and cooking at school and learning how to properly wash dishes and all that kind of

Why Dieting Rules Took Over

SPEAKER_01 31:56

stuff. So then I started to say, like, with all of this background and what we are really going to talk about is dieting. Because when you talk about what you should be eating, it's also interesting to start talking about what people tell you not to eat. And so, what I first wanted to do was I have um some information about just talking about dieting in the 90s versus nowadays. Um, so I'm just gonna give you like a few like background points, um, and then I have a couple questions. So, I mean, I see you on this document. Don't you open it? There's a surprise at the end. Oh, okay. Surprise at the end.

SPEAKER_04 32:36

I'm just trying to be a good student.

SPEAKER_01 32:40

So in the 90s, diet culture was defined by the war on fat. So um everything was like low fat. Um, dieting in the 90s was influenced by the food pyramid. And I love Karen that you brought up like how the pyramid had carbs down at the bottom. But with that being said, if the top is fat and fat was the enemy, then six to eleven servings of um carbs kind of makes sense. And that's over the course of the day. Um, but everything was low fat, and so products like snack well cookies, um, fat-free salad dressing. Um, I know we had like sugar-free syrup at our house. Um, Alestra um was a controversial fat substitute, you know, diet sodas, um, the zone and Atkins. So Atkins was late 90s, so that's when the shift went from carb heavy to carb light and um carbs were to be reduced, but that was until the late 90s. Um, that's when in the 90s was the introduction of liquid meals, so Slimfast and other meal replacement shakes were at their peak. And then if you're looking for like drug replacement um or drugs that will help you lose weight, um, fenfen.

SPEAKER_03 33:55

Fenfen.

SPEAKER_01 33:55

Um, and do you guys remember like hydroxy cut? And totally.

SPEAKER_03 33:59

Yeah. Um, all of this is like check, check, check, check, check for me.

SPEAKER_01 34:03

So today it's more about wellness instead of like the low fat. Um, so modern trends focus less on light versions of food and just more metabolic health. So a lot of times you're hearing now high protein. I feel like I'm hearing that a lot, especially as a perimenopausal lady. Um, and the current uh macronutrient is protein. So like carnivore diets. Um, there's a lot of focus on gut health. I don't know if you hear that word a lot. So, like probiotics, um fermented foods. There has been the increase of um medical treatments like GLP1s, and so less moving away from programs like Weight Watchers, which was more the 90s. Actually, that started in 1983, but was really big in the 90s, and then the language kind of shifted to more body neutrality. So, unlike the 90s, the heroine chic, I sadly remember hearing that phrase to um now growing fat liberation movement and a preference for athletic or strong body types. And then this there's just this quick summary. So in the 90s, the villain, as far as food was concerned, was dietary fat. Today, the villain for food is sugar and ultra-processed carbs. In the 90s, the main goal was weight loss, and nowadays the phrasing is like wellness, longevity, muscle tone. Um, snack trends were more like fat-free cookies and like snap, fat-free snacks. And nowadays it's like high protein bars, green powders. And back then, if there was a medical fix, it would be like pills like fenfen and nowadays Ozempic, Wickovie, whatever. Okay, so this just gives us some background, like comparing 90s to 2000s when we're talking about dieting. So, my first question is oh, and I wanted to list a couple things. Uh, Jenny Craig, does that sound familiar?

SPEAKER_03 35:55

Oh, yeah, like ah, I feel like all of my friends' moms were Jenny Craig.

SPEAKER_01 36:00

Jenny Craig. Oh my god, was it like 1900 or something like that? I was just thinking about yeah, yeah. Oh, yes. I I'm I probably said it wrong, but okay.

SlimFast Atkins And Weight Watchers

SPEAKER_01 36:11

Question number one Have you ever tried any of these programs? Or do you know anyone who did? So, like Weight Watchers, Jenny Craig, and maybe like one of the pills. I think I've probably tried one of the pills. I'm trying to think which one it was.

SPEAKER_03 36:25

Yeah, I feel like I tried one of the poor man's hydroxy cuts at in like late high school. I like vividly remember my sister buying them for me because you had to be 18, which is so bad to say this out loud, but um, I do remember that. I remember trying Slimfast and being starving.

SPEAKER_01 36:45

Yeah, because it was like two like Slim. Wait, it was Slim Fast for Breakfast, a shake for lunch and a sensible dinner. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 36:56

Good, good brain space to be used on not essential information.

SPEAKER_01 37:00

Mamie, did did you know anyone who did any of these programs or did you do I did not.

SPEAKER_04 37:06

I mean, I think that it was like to Karen's comment of like I think probably my friend's mom's and I don't know, my sister, or like I don't I I feel like it was around me, but I didn't try any of those, no.

SPEAKER_03 37:21

I actually remember my friend's dad doing Atkins, like right, I feel like right when it must have come out. We were in high school. And I remember thinking, like, you can't possibly think that this is real. Like, I would walk into their house and it would just smell like bacon, and he would just eat like the fattiest of fatty meats all day, every day, and be like, I'm on an Atkins diet. And I'm like, dude, use your literal, like, use your mind.

SPEAKER_01 37:51

You can't believe did he lose weight or like did it work for him?

SPEAKER_03 37:56

No, no, of course not. He literally ate like mayonnaise and bacon and was like, I'm on the Atkins diet. And I'm like, All right, bro, like kidding me, and you're clogging your arteries in the process.

SPEAKER_01 38:08

Oh my gosh, it's just well, shortly after I graduated, I did try Weight Watchers, went to the meeting and everything. Oh, I remember that. Yeah, and I didn't last very long, but it's like if because it's like really restrictive diet. Like I know that you're free to eat, and once you get your your points, you're done, but like you're really just not eating very much food.

SPEAKER_03 38:34

Yeah, you're starving yourself. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 38:37

Okay.

Body Image Damage And Athletic Identity

SPEAKER_01 38:38

Um, my next question is how did 90s diet culture impact your own personal body image? For example, so this is something that popped into my head when I was thinking about this. Is the physiques of and Manny, I'm sorry, no, you didn't really watch this show, but friends. Um, the physiques of Rachel, Monica, and Phoebe on Friends really stands out to me. Uh Karen, please back me up on this. Uh yeah. Yeah. Like there, I can't remember between which season, but they literally like went so slim. And like there was a curviness about Rachel before that went away, and it was like kind of late 90s. Um, so I remember you know, diet culture changed around then, and just being a dancer, a black one with a booty for at that. And you guys remember the story I shared um in our last episode. So, again, 90s culture impact on your personal body image. Any stories to share in that vein?

SPEAKER_03 39:40

I don't really know where to begin because I feel like 90s culture as a whole uh totally broke me from a self-image perspective. And I don't like I don't I feel like I probably always had a slightly athletic build, like I was always very active and I was never skinny, but I was not ever heavy. And you and the way that I thought of myself was like I'm the heaviest person to ever walk this earth, and that was not coming from my parents, you know, like that was clearly coming from all of the signals around me in society and all of these diet cultures like Victoria's Secret, and like just there's so many images of gaunt women to remind me that I was not that, and that still affects me today. I try really hard to overcome that, but you know, it feels like an impossible feat.

SPEAKER_04 40:34

I'm mostly quiet because um I have a lot of issues, but of the issues I have, this darkness never found me. So I'm just sitting in gratitude that I have not experienced personal body image challenges. I don't know if that's because I was like escaping in other ways, but I this is not my story. So I'm just kind of listening, similar to what Karen was saying, though. I you know, I will say is what I am coming into now and how I think this might relate is that I've I I'm born athletic. I am an athletic person, and I think in the 90s that was not sexy or something like how we have now with like athleisure and like workout culture and everything. And I feel like now I'm more irritated by that because it feels like a trend where it's like I was actually born with this gift. It took me a long time to recognize my athleticism was something that like was unique to me, and I don't think it was highly desirable by like boys when I was growing up, and that kind of like a little bit like messed with me and moved me from playing sports to just fully, you know, embracing dance as my avenue of sport. But now when I box and when I run and when I lift, you know, I'm like this just feels so good in my body, and I and I have been carried back home to when I was a little girl and it and having that same experience. So I just feel like I've always kind of loved being active and loved being in my body and love using my body in this way that I was almost spared from this. But don't get me wrong, there were other shit things that I have suffered from. Um I am not immune to um not having any kind of sickness mentally. Okay.

SPEAKER_03 42:46

I'm sorry, I'm gonna take us on a random tangent really quickly, but there was this gif meme thing, real, I don't know what they're called, Instagram the other day that was like, uh, we all have one of those friends that's like gorgeous and funny and really smart and has like a great job and great kids, and everyone thinks this person's just great. That person has stomach problems. And I was like, oh my gosh, yes. So everyone has their problem, Manny, like you're saying. We can cut that, but that's just what it made me think of.

SPEAKER_01 43:20

I've I think I've seen that. Do you um so maybe not from like a body image like perspective, but do you feel like the change in language towards food, like before being low fat and now thinking more low carb or like do you feel like you are like that's in your consciousness, Manny? Because I do feel like you um eat pretty healthy from my understanding of what healthy eating is. I don't know, I'm not an expert or anything, but like, do you feel like there's been a shift in how like your you meal plan for yourself and your family based on the shift in like the dietary? Guidelines or maybe in diet culture and how it's

Access Genetics And Intuitive Eating

SPEAKER_01 44:03

shifted. And not diet as in losing weight. I mean diet as in what you're supposed to eat. Like, do you feel like that shift has impacted how you eat and plan?

SPEAKER_04 44:12

I think that that shift happened in college or like post-college for me when I realized there was a couple things financially, right? I eat what I eat financially. I ate what I ate financially in college because that's what I could afford. Right. And so then I developed a habit of like like junk food eating in college because that to just to the doctor's, to the doctors, I'm gonna call her the doctor's point, you know, that was just the system that I was in. I didn't have access to fruits. I wasn't going to the grocery store like that in college. And my mom wasn't on campus to grocery shop for me to make sure that I was getting those nutrients. So I think what happened was I developed a habit that was difficult for me to break post college. And then once I had the financial means and the ability to really listen to my body back again, like once I got rid of some of the like dark stuff that I was talking about, I I really made a concerted effort to look at everything I was putting in my body spiritually, mentally, emotionally, and physically. It was a holistic change for me. Like I don't even take Advil like that anymore for my period, you know. Like I really try to listen to what my body is communicating to me, but that came after spending a lot of times like destroying my body after you know the habits that I developed in college. I don't know if that really answered the question, but I think that's no, it absolutely did.

SPEAKER_01 45:55

It absolutely did because I just feel like I don't know, when I read that chart that like paralleled what we were saying in the 90s and what we're saying now. And you know, you know, when I look at the old food pyramid, I'm like, that's crazy. I can't believe they told us to eat all those carbs. But like if you're eating no fats and you know, all that kind of stuff and what we know now, like you kind of need that for an energy source. And it just made me understand why that why the pyramid looked the way it did. And so when you're talking about like whole foods and fresh fruit and all that kind of stuff, like and it's just funny because like you said, I didn't have my mom to like go grocery shopping for me. It's like crazy to be the adult who's having to decide like what I'm supposed to eat. I'm supposed to decide what my child is supposed to eat. And and that's why it's just crazy, you know, I get so angry about the administration putting so much poisonous information into the universe while we're trying to just survive and do the right thing for ourselves and our families, and they're just like putting all this misinformation from a medical standpoint, from you know, from every standpoint, is why I get so like frustrated with it and why I appreciate someone like her who is trying to inform us from a scientific, research-backed, you know, perspective.

SPEAKER_04 47:14

Yeah, I will also add that like the last time I went to the doctors, I did not get a clean bill of health. I have like high blood pressure and high cholesterol. And that really shocked me because, like you said, like my diet is, you know, I thought that I was, you know, pretty well balanced in my diet, but there's also a part of this conversation that like my father died when I was young. So there's like genetic pieces that I don't quite have answers to that also contribute to that bill of health that like is also a part of this conversation of like sometimes your genetics really play a role in how your diet looks, and so it isn't as simple as what the administration is trying to put out. Like, there's a lot more questions rather than answers that we should be asking.

SPEAKER_03 48:07

Manny, I'm so glad you raised the genetics piece because I'm gonna call back to Erica, who, for our listeners, was on I think our first season as a guest, um, and a conversation she and I had a number of years ago. So she's a dietitian, as I alluded to with the food pyramid. My diet is very heavy in carbs. It always has been. It's what I like. And what Erica has taught me is it's kind of what my body needs because I do have some of those gut issues that we that we talked about. Um, and so she was explaining to me once that like if we all do a better job of intuitive eating, of actually listening to our body and what our body is craving, then we're going to be better about giving it what it actually needs in terms of fuel and not just like not just giving it the things that you know society has made us believe we need. And it is very individualized. My body needs more carb-heavy foods because my gut is what it is, and it, you know, and that's easier for it to process. Other people might need more protein, and you know, other people might need more fruits and vegetables, whatever. Like putting in these guidelines are literally just that. They are guidelines like for the average body, this is what we would recommend. But everybody is very different, and genetics are a huge factor. Like, some people, to your point, have heart disease in their family. I have heart disease in my family, and like if you ate the cleanest diet and like the least amount of fat, you would still have problems managing your cholesterol. That is why the marriage of you know, diet and modern medicine are beneficial. And if you have people who aren't actual doctors managing modern medicine, then we are all in a little bit of trouble. So, yeah, I hear all of these words. I do think to your question, Steph, I do think I I have a much healthier relationship with my diet and my body image than I used to have, but I still find, you know, looking in the mirror, my immediate thought is negative. And like I've talked about this with a therapist before, and she, you know, one of the things that she suggested I do is like every day when I'm looking in the mirror, like in the morning getting dressed, I have to say something nice to my body. And it's just like changing that programming that was like decades of programming in my brain to realize there you you can always focus on the negative, but you know, there are positive elements too. And if you just shift that perspective, then you know that will start that reprogramming, I guess. That's just my take.

SPEAKER_01 50:53

I love

The Ultimate 90s Snack Draft

SPEAKER_01 50:54

it. Well, I wanted to end with it's not as good as keep it snappy, but which is not what it's called.

SPEAKER_03 51:03

But it's called okay.

SPEAKER_01 51:04

But yet we're gonna I wanted to do a short um this or that with 90s snacks because I you know, I just again got very nostalgic when doing this research for some reason. And so what I'm gonna do is I'm going to read like two 90s snacks, and you just have to pick one, and it's gonna be challenging because they're all good stuff. Are you?

SPEAKER_04 51:34

I hope junkaroos are on here.

SPEAKER_01 51:36

It okay, that was on here. Okay, let's just go this or that gushers or Scooby Snacks. Oh gushers, gushers.

SPEAKER_04 51:46

What the fuck is a Scooby snack?

SPEAKER_01 51:49

What?

SPEAKER_03 51:50

Gushers all day. Oh, the latter, yeah, definitely. Hi Capri Sun or Squeeze It.

SPEAKER_04 52:04

Sorry, going back to the last question, I never really had high C. It was more like um Sunny Delight.

SPEAKER_03 52:12

Oh you were you're ruining me.

SPEAKER_01 52:18

Okay. No extra thoughts. My bad spoilers.

SPEAKER_03 52:22

Wait, what was this one that you said? Um Capri Son or something.

SPEAKER_01 52:26

Capri-son or squeeze-its.

SPEAKER_03 52:28

Oh, squeeze it.

SPEAKER_04 52:30

No, I thought it was Capri-Son or Huggies.

SPEAKER_01 52:33

No, the it was high C or Hugges. Okay. Little hugs.

SPEAKER_04 52:37

Capri Sun or Capri Son. I don't really like Capri-Sons, but I would choose that over whatever the other option was because I don't really know if I ever drank that.

SPEAKER_01 52:46

Okay. Um push pops or flavor ice.

SPEAKER_03 52:50

Push pops. Push pops.

SPEAKER_04 52:53

Wait, are flavor ice the like ones you put in the freezer?

SPEAKER_01 52:58

Yeah, push pops. Or the candy. Wait, am I saying the wrong thing with push-tops? I'm talking about like Fred Flintstone. Yeah. Yeah, push pops are like flavor ice that you snip the top off of. Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 53:13

I don't know. Push pops were more of a novelty for me. Yeah. So definitely that.

SPEAKER_01 53:19

I liked flavor ice better, but okay.

SPEAKER_04 53:21

And I liked how creamy they were.

SPEAKER_01 53:24

Okay, this one is really challenging for me, but hostess or little Debbie?

SPEAKER_03 53:32

We were a hostess household. We've talked about this with like my family a lot recently.

SPEAKER_04 53:37

What are we eating from those? Cinnamon rolls?

SPEAKER_01 53:40

Well, so just the hostess family of sweet treats or the little Debbie. Like, who has the better products? Hostess, like, is ding dongs, Twinkies. I can't think of it. Debbie has like those little Debbie has yeah, the Swiss rolls, nutter butters are yeah, nutter butters.

SPEAKER_03 54:04

Oh my god, I know those are like crack to me. Still so good.

SPEAKER_01 54:08

Um, okay, warheads or pop rocks.

SPEAKER_03 54:12

Oh warheads. I hated pop rocks in my mouth. I think warheads, but that's pretty close for me. Pop rocks were like, what the fuck is happening in my mouth? I know, that's why I kind of liked it. Okay, I have a few more.

SPEAKER_01 54:28

Okay. Fruity pebbles or tricks?

SPEAKER_04 54:32

Tricks. Oh no, ski bar, ski barbecue.

SPEAKER_02 54:42

I don't know what just happened.

SPEAKER_04 54:44

So on the back of the on the back of the tricks um cereal box one year or one month, there was like the rabbit was meeting a group of aliens, and it's the alien said, Uno, skeet bart, skeet bar biket. And that became like an inside joke with me and my cousins. So anyway, it translates to no, you silly rabbit, tricks are for kids.

SPEAKER_01 55:13

That's an excellent answer, I guess, then.

SPEAKER_00 55:16

Oh my gosh.

SPEAKER_01 55:18

Yeah, okay. Yes.

SPEAKER_03 55:22

Agreed.

SPEAKER_01 55:24

Hot pockets or bagel bites. Bagel bites. Both on the bagel. You can have pizza anytime.

SPEAKER_04 55:35

Or hot pockets. Hot pockets. Both both really burned my tongue in a disrespectful way. So I so disrespectful. We never had hot pockets. But we liked our bagel bites. The cheese was like ungodly. Scalding. Yeah. Scalding. Exactly.

SPEAKER_01 55:56

Rice Krispie treats or zebra cakes.

SPEAKER_03 55:59

Oh my god, zebra cakes. To this day, I can't be around a zebra cake.

SPEAKER_04 56:04

Man, I'm just realizing how much I hated all these treats.

SPEAKER_03 56:08

Um, I there's a reason why Manny never had body images. Karen and I are like drooling, like elevating. I'm running to the store after this. Like, I know what I need.

SPEAKER_04 56:20

I'm like, ugh, barf. Um, I like I will I will sell my soul for a homemade rice crispy treat. Yeah. The other ones had like a weird aftertaste to me because they were chemicals. Yeah. Yeah. But a homemade rice crispy treat, woof. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 56:41

Love it. Okay, two more. Fun dip or ring pops?

SPEAKER_03 56:48

Fun dip. Oh. I don't even hesitate at this ear for it.

SPEAKER_04 56:56

Oh, I just remember loving these. Like after like a swim at the pool on like a sultry summer afternoon. I can't choose, but if I had to, I guess it would be fun dip. That's the right answer. The blue fake flavor. Like only the blue. I like the cherry. I didn't like the stick though. The stick is weird.

SPEAKER_03 57:20

I didn't like the ring pops made my whole hand sticky.

SPEAKER_04 57:24

Oh yeah. That's also a sensation I don't enjoy.

SPEAKER_01 57:28

All right. My last that's the sensation I don't enjoy. Um, the last one is I could I wanted to make sure to include dunkaroos, but there isn't anything that you could compare it to. Like I felt like I was able to like caprice and a squeeze. Teddy Graham. No. Do you dip Teddy? Anyway, I decided to make a fresh category for dunkaroos, and it's basically what is the most iconic 90s snack? Dunkaroos or Sonny Delight. Oh my god, what is the most iconic of the two? You know, 90s. That's what Manny.

SPEAKER_04 58:05

Oh my god, it's like I have ESPN or something. And that's that's what I was like, whoa, Manny, gosh, always spoiling. And I promise I did not look at that in the document. I did not see that, but I have psychic powers, so I can't pick between those two. I'm Sabrina, the teenage witch.

SPEAKER_03 58:22

I also, those were brands that we didn't get in our house. So like when I would go to a friend's house, I'd be like, oh my God, if they had either of those things, I was like, can I have that?

SPEAKER_04 58:32

Um, I hated Sunny Delight. I love I love a good minute-made orange juice, like frozen, like the frozen minute-made when they came in the tube that you had to like add water to. So Sunny Delight was just so off for me whenever I had it.

SPEAKER_03 58:48

It just felt very like it's not orange juice, it's like its own drink. It's its own drink.

SPEAKER_04 58:53

It felt weird to me. Like it was.

SPEAKER_03 58:56

That's what I loved about it. Oh, it was like crack to me. Couldn't be around it.

SPEAKER_04 59:01

Yeah, I would say the most iconic though is definitely a a dunkeroo. Are Sunny D still around? Probably. I maybe because I feel like dunkaroos they are still around.

SPEAKER_03 59:14

I got them for Maxwell not too long ago.

SPEAKER_04 59:16

Oh, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 59:18

Yeah. It was very trip down memory memory lane.

SPEAKER_04 59:22

I love dipping something in frosting. Because I'm not a big, huge frosting. Oh my god, you guys, I don't love sugar. Yeah, I'm a savory. I'm a savory person, exactly. Like if this was like bacon or a hamburger, I'd be like, uh how do I pick? How do I pick one? Like I would be salivating right now. But I'm not a huge like breakfast person, I'm not a huge dessert person. Um, so maybe that's why. But I do love the 90s.

SPEAKER_03 59:50

We can do a fruit version for you next time.

SPEAKER_02 59:56

Well, thank you, ladies.

SPEAKER_04 59:57

Oh my gosh, sorry, before we do that, I just want to say that I saw something on threads that was like, mangoes be the only fruit really fighting to be a fruit.

SPEAKER_01 1:00:06

I saw that too. And it's like, I didn't know what it meant, but I knew what it meant.

SPEAKER_04 1:00:14

And I have to say, I agree. And anything mango flavored is my shit. I love a mango too.

SPEAKER_03 1:00:22

Oh, I wasn't sure if we were like like being mad about mangoes. I was like, I don't know. Mangoes are awesome. And why but like good a good mango. We don't get good mangoes in the States, I don't feel like we don't.

SPEAKER_04 1:00:37

Yeah, Steph, you know that like um like from Jamaica picking it off of a tree. Oh freshman, right? Mango off of a there's nothing like it. Just like, and you let it just kind of like the only time getting sticky is acceptable. Yes. So Steve, Bob, and Luke. Sorry.

SPEAKER_03 1:01:06

I was like, what, get us mango? I don't understand. Oh my god.

Confessionals And Next Week Tease

SPEAKER_03 1:01:11

Okay, I know we have to wrap stuff, but I do have a really, really quick confessional that I jotted down while we were talking that I would like to share. And it is um that you said to Manny, diet, like what you put in your body, not like dieting. And it's funny how the word diet has been so bastard bastardized into like a specific set of actions to lose weight as opposed to the fuel that we put into our bodies holistically. And that was like a big aha for me.

SPEAKER_01 1:01:50

I'm so happy you said that because I was very it was I became very aware of what I meant when I typed the word diet versus like, you know, and I realized the same thing.

SPEAKER_04 1:02:03

Yeah. Nanny? Um, oh my confessional. Oh, my confessional is that when you guys were talking about diet pills, my mind went to DJ Tanner and that full house episode.

SPEAKER_01 1:02:18

And she was eating ice.

SPEAKER_03 1:02:21

Yeah. That was so that was like perfect embodiment of 90s diet culture, I think.

SPEAKER_04 1:02:28

Yeah. Maybe that's what like made me feel like that's a bad thing. I'm not gonna do that when I grow up.

SPEAKER_03 1:02:34

Oh. Maybe it did. Maybe it's serving its purpose, I guess. Yeah, interesting. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:02:40

Okay. Well, thank you, ladies. Um, I find it fitting that we spent this episode talking about food, and next week we'll be talking about a show we all watched while eating our favorite cereal on Saturday mornings. We will be discussing none other than Save by the Bell. I can't wait.

SPEAKER_03 1:02:56

Finally.

SPEAKER_01 1:02:57

Thank you guys for joining us.

SPEAKER_04 1:03:00

Bye.

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SPEAKER_04 1:03:02

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