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Elite Collecting Moves Ft. RodmanPC
How Scarcity, Timing, and Community Built an Elite Sports Card Collection
Rigorous, candid, and collector-first. In this Slabnomics episode, Matt sits down with RodmanPC—a Honduras-based super-collector with one of the strongest Lionel Messi collections in the world—to break down how he pivoted from Michael Jordan 90s inserts to modern soccer grails. We cover the realities of collecting internationally (ShipMyCards, Card Hobby storage), building trust for private deals, and why consolidation into true grails beats stacking mid-tier slabs.
You’ll hear how Rodman mapped Jordan’s market structure (BGS 9.5, 90s inserts) onto Messi’s ecosystem (Topps Chrome Gold /50, Red /10, Superfractors 1/1, and ultra-scarce Barcelona game-used patch autos), and why scarcity + global demand make Messi’s top cards structurally different from high-pop Jordan rookies. We also dig into market cycles—why he prefers bear markets, how to time buys around the World Cup 2026 window, and why educated capital is holding, not dumping.
What you’ll learn
- How an international collector builds reputation and executes big deals despite logistics
- The exact pivots from Jordan to Messi: scarcity, print runs, and category leadership
- When to buy/sell around major events (“buy the rumor, sell the news”)
- Why small group chats and community intel create real edge
- The case for consolidation: 10–50 slabs → 1 grail
Key topics
Messi cards, Barcelona game-used patch autos, Topps Chrome Gold/Red/Superfractor, Mega Cracks vs 1986 Fleer pop math, private transactions, ShipMyCards, Card Hobby, Chris McGill (HOJ) stories, price discovery, Fanatics Fest, World Cup 2026 effects, timing cycles after NFL/NBA seasons.
Chapters
00:00 Intro & Honduras collector reality
02:00 Logistics: ShipMyCards, Card Hobby, bulk shipping
03:30 Community edge: group chats, private deals, HOJ story
10:30 Pivot: Jordan → Messi (scarcity framework)
18:30 Market structure: Golds, Reds, 1/1s, game-used patches
19:50 Cycles: spikes, dips, and auction dynamics
29:30 Playbook: consolidation and World Cup timing
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All right, everybody. Welcome to Slabnomics. We have an amazing guest here, someone who needs no introduction. It is Robman PC. He has one of the best messy collections in the world. My friend, how are you doing today? How are things down in Honduras?
SPEAKER_01:Thank you for having me. People like texting me. It's like they couldn't believe I'm I'm I'm actually from Honduras. Uh, because I know all the big players are usually either in the US or maybe Asia. So that's I know that's kind of out of the box, but I'm glad to be the one from Honduras.
SPEAKER_00:Absolutely. Well, let's dive right into that. To that, excuse me. Do you think that that's given you any kind of special maybe leverage points or has being in Honduras given you any positives, or do you find it more of like a hindrance when you're trying to get deals done or you know, follow through with card shows and such?
SPEAKER_01:Listen, it usually it usually gives you troubles, you know, not nowadays when you have incredible services like ship my cards, or if you buy, for example, from Cart Hobby, they could store the cards for you there and get get a bulk ship shipment out of Asia. But at the beginning, it was more of a struggle, to be honest, because uh most people feel don't feel comfortable doing business with international folks. You know, I don't blame them. Uh uh, I mean, especially if if it's someone from Honduras, it's like you can definitely paint different scenarios or of of you know what why doing deals internationally, it's maybe not the safest. But with years and uh I think I've built a reputation that has definitely helped me on the on the long run. Um that's obviously important, you know, doing good networking, being able to be a reputable collector and stay in the right lane and treat everyone fairly, just as you would expect anyone to to treat you as well. Um aside from from the troubles of being international and just not being used to having uh a regular mail mail day, you kind of get used to obviously the delayed of pleasure in getting a mail day, uh, because I usually get those once or twice a month. I and then in regards to to just doing deals, you know, it's just uh um I like to buy privately a lot. It could be something that uh I've managed to to to perfect in in a way. You know, I've been doing this for started in 2013 and went through a lot. Obviously, the market has changed drastically. Market marketplaces have definitely improved. Back then, it was just eBay probably and just a couple of forums here and there, blowout cards. That was about it. So the market felt more like undiscovered, you know, like you wouldn't have that many auctions just lined up weekly or monthly. But, you know, I just kept doing what started working for me, and it was just building relationships. Well, you know, I used to be big on Jordan. I I figured and knew that building a community was important. So that's why I've always been community focused. Uh like most of my great friends are are still into Jordan, and they're actually probably the best collectors in the world, and we're still friends. When we started doing this like 12 years ago, we had no idea where we were going. We were just going by, I don't know, this passion that we we have for not only the sport or for a certain player, and we all figure out how to translate that into cards, and then we just we just keep going, man. It's just part of our DNA. Every collector can relate with that. Just we we we just want another one and another one and another one, and the upgrading cycles that come with it, it's like, and then you you in a way you kind of you kind of push each other. That's the beauty of this. We all we all push each other as collectors, as friends, and we kind of like build build some inner momentum from from other people's accomplishments. It's like if you see a friend acquiring certain card, it's like, damn it, I I want one, or maybe I want this other parallel. And it's like pushing each other, it's nice having that. For those that haven't had been able to experience that, I would, I would highly encourage just start with a small group chat and get your your inner circle there. And then once you you realize you're you're you're you're a phenomenal group of 15, 20 collectors. So it's it's it's how I would recommend anyone to eventually try and experience that. For for me in Honduras, it was very personal for a while. It's like I wouldn't even tell my friends, my my local friends, about what I was doing. It was just something I I did for myself. It wasn't about anything but just collecting what I liked. And and that with social media and everything, just kind of changed. But at first, you you gotta kind of do it for yourself, you know.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, man. We'll put a pin on that because I'm gonna come back to that in a second. Piggybacking off of that, tell me the most unhinged story that you have with your friends as regarding card collecting.
SPEAKER_01:Oh my god. There's probably so many, so many stories. It's I mean, when we're all in in a certain market, it's kind of arms to raises to who who finds these cards first, right? You know, uh sometimes they're your friends, but at the end of the day, you're competing against them. So uh there's a really there's there's some couple funny stories with with Chris Hoage. Um tell me a Hoach story. Hell yeah. I kind of learned a lot from him because we were for for uh for some time we were collecting very similar stuff, you know. We were just looking for cool 90s inserts in a in the highest grade possible. Back then, BGS was was what everyone was chasing. PSA wasn't wasn't what it is today. So our thing was just try and collect 9.5s. So that's what we would do. And in a way, it was just how how can we get more of these together all in 9.5. So we were we were doing that for a while. And I I remember I remember eBay was like where everyone would have their eyes on, right? Because there weren't any other big marketplaces back then. So he started actually inquiring those people that were listing those carts and trying to get them to do a private deal with him rather than selling on eBay. So he actually has a couple crazy stories because I was actually trying to get those cards in the same time, but obviously he figured it out how to do it in a different way and do a per in-person deal. I remember we were all chasing and the red PMG. I remember we all saw that card pop on eBay, and then I remember the second the card got delisted, I was like, damn it, that's Chris. Like I just knew. I just knew. And I remember I went to the uh went to the group chat and I was like, Chris, damn it, I know that was you. And then he just came out with this crazy story where he met, he met the guy that listed the card at a car dealer and he paid cash and he left he left with a with a card and the guy with the car. Like me being international, like I I can't have any of those crazy stories, but it it was funny that in a way I feel like I was part of that because uh it was just him and me like going going at it, like trying to trying to secure these cards privately before and everyone else. Because he also he got his 98 uh rubies the same way. And I remember as soon as I saw that card got delisted from eBay, I was like, damn it, Chris, he got it too close.
SPEAKER_00:McGill's such a schemer, man. He's like the joker, but like a good-hearted joker that you know has the best interests at heart for society. Let's go back to kind of how you were in Honduras, how you are faced with these challenges to making deals work. And you said that networking and building these relationships is how you were able to get through that and get to the other side and become this super collector. Kind of walk me through that. Do you feel like it was those challenges that made you ultimately the collector that you are? Sure.
SPEAKER_01:I mean, I I'm sure like it'll kind of like help help shape what I am today, like just being, you know, putting putting yourself out there. Like I always say that. I've said that in other podcasts as well. You have to put yourself out there and let the people know what you're looking for, you know what what you're chasing. Because if you keep it for yourself, I've I've found out that at the end of the day, it it doesn't help you. It's like you you think that by saying what you want, it's gonna prevent or it's gonna make someone try and get it before you. No, not not doesn't work that way. Like I've I've had so many good experiences where I've let people know what I want, and then they see that card and they probably can't can get it. So they're like, all right, I'll pass it on to to Rodman because I know he's he's chasing that card. So that's that's one good experience I've I've had uh with being here. It's I I went to my first cart show in 2018, was the national, and for years I would I was just a national exclusive, so I didn't have that much exposure to to these cards that all of a sudden pop at at shows because that's very common. It's like you find especially now with soccer cards, it's like I've I've seen cards like big cards in in a dealer's booth who only has football and has basketball, and they probably have no clue what they have in their case. And those those opportunities, obviously, me being here, it's it's kind of hard. But I've had I've had very good friends of mine actually pick up decent cards for me at shows. And if I wouldn't let them know what I'm looking for, it's like I wouldn't have been able to acquire those cards.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah. To your point about when dealers have specialization in other sports, but they have a smattering of something else, that's where I find you find the best opportunities. When it's all basketball and you see like a soccer card or two, it's usually consigned. And if it's consigned, then you're usually going to be able to get a better deal, especially if it's later in the shows. So just a little helpful tip there for y'all, just from my experience. But uh yeah, being able to look out for your boys and what they're looking for. One good turn just deserves another, makes us all stronger as collectors and just as a group, as a pack. So you mentioned basketball, you mentioned soccer. Let's link those two because you're known for transitioning out of Michael Jordan largely into Messi. Give me the genesis of that concept, that idea. Tell me the story of how it happened. Yeah.
SPEAKER_01:Uh I got a lot of shit for what I did back then, especially from obviously my my MJ guys. Uh because they couldn't, they couldn't relate or they could just couldn't wrap their hands, heads around it, you know? It happened like in a, I don't know, a year, year and a half or something. It it wasn't a transition to just happened from one day to the other. It wasn't like that. It was just something that was progressive. It's like uh I I I tell everyone, it's like, I mean, I started in 2013, like the market was like flat for a good four or five years, probably. 2017, you may you kind of started the the market changing a bit. And then COVID came, everything blew up. Like you start seeing your your chances of acquiring certain cards, like that window closes in on you, especially when they started hitting these these crazy numbers, you know. So I kind of hit a wall. Part of collecting is that you have to f you have to be able to progress in your in your goals or in your collection. It's like I always feel like I'm always reshaping my my my collection. Like I turn these two, three cards into this one, and and it's always constantly reshaping, trying to get it better, trying to get more unique cards, try to get more limited cards, and it's part of the art of of just you have like uh it's it's like a it's uh it's a project, you know, it's like something you're you're constantly working on. So it's like imagine if you're you're you're an artist and you're paint you're doing a paint. It's like you're you're constantly doing these changes to it to make it better. So I just hit a wall, to be honest. I I had so many, so many goals set up for my MJ collection, and then all of a sudden, I don't know, it just got crazy. I had so many moves that I wish that I could have had made, but I couldn't because they all blew up. So it's like, all right, I hit a wall, what do I do? I can't have the that dopamine rush that you get when you have a uh a nice mail day, and it's like I just felt like um I wasn't going anywhere. And for me, Messi has always been a big part of my of my my life in a way, because I've I've been a huge Barcelona fan since I was a kid. I never I've never stopped watching football or soccer. I've always followed the team. I I've been through Messi's career, all the ups and downs, just like I did with Jordan. Like I remember when I was a kid just being a fan of Jordan. So I I kind of like build that bridge in between those two. I feel the same passion for them. I see them as the respective goats of each each. So it kind of made sense for me to transition and start it pivoting into Messi. So I I felt like once I started doing my research, I was like, all right, I see a lot of parallels in between the structure or how I would I would approach my collecting of MJ cards. Like I could see there was some something there as well. Different, but you could you could apply most of the same logics to to Messi and and figure out which were his good cards, his more limited cards. Since he was playing at that time, it it was like, all right, once once he leaves, uh or once he retires, all right, these are gonna be the playing day cards. And then he left, he left Barcelona, went to PSG. So you were only left with just a couple years in which you had all right, these really rare 101s that are considered playing day Barcelona for him. Like if you go through Topps, for example, you only have for Topps Chrome, you only have 2017, 18, 19, and 20 for superfractors, for playing day superfractors, base superfractors, and that's it. It's crazy limited. Game worn patch autos. That's that's another very limited quantity or available units in the market. It's just you have flawless, and basically that's it. There's only like 64 Barcelona game use patches. So that's I mean, that's incredibly incredible how limited that is. So we started seeing all of that, and I was like, all right, I I see I can do so much in this space that felt like it had gone up, but it felt like it was so limited that it had so much room to grow. So I started moving a couple of my MJ cards, and then it all trickled down and it just fell apart. And as I once I felt comfortable moving the first one, the rest just came the damn broke.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah. Well, tell me this when you're looking at those cards back then, was there a vast difference between where Messi and Jordan's markets were? And how did you quantify that? And how'd you triangulate and compare and contrast the two head to head if you did that?
SPEAKER_01:Yes. In a way, I I kind of did that the same analysis. You know, you're dealing with different eras. That was that's the first that's the trickiest part because Eddie's was structured differently. Now it's it's more of a modern structure where you have the golds out of 10, the tops. You have the golds out of 50, then you have the one-on-ones, then you have which it's something I I really love and enjoy to collect, is the tops, uh, the reds. So those are out of 10 out of 10 or out of five. So I so I I kind of like all right, try to get some correlation between MJ Market and Messi Market. Value-wise, it was hard because with MJ, there's so much more of available information or day data about prior sales, uh, other other ups and downs. And you can kind of like take some some from that, but with soccer, it's like everything felt very new right right after I acquired most of the the cards that I did. Not that I ever stopped. I obviously continued acquiring the cards that that I that I believed in and and and wanted. If if I'm going at something, I I need to make sure or try to get the best carts possible. That's kind of like what drives me. And I felt like I could do that with with Messi. And I felt like I couldn't do that with with Jordan anymore. So that's kind of like the main reason I I switched. And for for a lot of people that were collecting soccer back then, they had mixed opinions of on what what I was doing. Now that it now now that the market has drastically shifted and changed, like I've had a lot of a lot of those early day soccer collectors getting back to me and telling me like, wow, you were right. You that always feels good. Because I was I was one of the the probably they they saw me with, I don't know, with I don't know, suspicion or whatever. I don't know what's the right word. You know, like it's uh here comes this Jordan guy, like trying to, I don't know, do whatever in the soccer market. And I just had a vision. I just believed in what I was doing, even when everyone was was not not necessarily thinking the same way as I as I did. And it feels kind of rewarding to be honest, that it's finally it's finally there. And I I I honestly don't think uh we have even scratched the surface of of what's possible with with the soccer market.
SPEAKER_00:So I was gonna ask you that very thing. So you mentioned though when you were getting into it, you said 2021, 2022 is kind of when you started shifting over. Yeah. When you started doing that, of course, you pointed to it being a very nascent market, very kind of wild west, you know, the values aren't stabilized, there's no price discovery because nobody's selling things publicly, and there's all these rare cards that just never change hands. I look at it right now and I see the same thing. Now, do you think that's the case? You have much more perspective, you've been in the game way longer than I have. And I feel like you're echoing to me the same things that I was feeling and seeing. And I'm seeing the market rewarding the people that kind of had the cojones to step in and be like, guys, this is why the valuations are off and just wait for the market to correct itself. Do you think we're in that kind of spike, or do you believe that this is just a run-up and then a drop down?
SPEAKER_01:All right. I I know a lot of people love to speculate on on these topics. It's like if every every time everything goes up, you have the crowd that starts talking about, no, it's manipulated, no, it's it's a bubble, no, it's let's usually the the loudest guys in the room with with who turn all conspiracy theory are the ones that didn't get into the market at the right time or didn't make, or I at least maybe didn't buy the right the right stuff. I think with collectibles, we have to understand something. First of all, is this goes through cycles. And we nothing goes up perpetually. We I'm not I'm not saying we won't have a div. I'm not saying certain cards will probably come up lower in a year or in six months or but that's part of the market. It's like nothing goes up upwards perpetually. And you will we will see some type of and usually those come when when people holding certain type of cards feel comfortable selling, you know? It's like, all right, once this, let's say we we're talking about that prism prism blue, right? Right. That was a card that I knew it had transacted privately. Yeah. Where had it sold? At I heard 25. I had heard 25, and someone else said I had heard another deal for 30. So it's like I had an idea that this card was gonna perform really well at auction because it's a low pop. It's I mean, it's very limited. The blue is stunning, it's it's incredibly stunning. It's it's a color match, it's like it's gorgeous, it's gorgeous. And you had the gold outperforming at what, let's say probably a million dollars now. I'm not even sure, or even at 800 or 700, it's still like a lot. So it's it's obvious these cards are coming out. So I think it's more of us being comfortable where where the market is heading. And I'm not saying you don't have to sell anything. If that's your end game, sell some stuff, be happy with making profit and everything. But uh with the messy market in particular, I can tell you it's very limited. I don't see these people that are gonna run at and send their cards at auction just because the market is hot. I don't see that at all, especially with very selective cards like the Prism Golds, like the let's say the Mega Cracks BSA 10s, the certain 101s, like Prism 101s. Those, if they get transacted, they will probably get transacted privately. I don't see a I don't see a way in anyone just sending it out at auction. It's too expensive, or for someone just dumping it in the market. I don't see it. One thing I I've learned with with with collecting is you gotta know who's holding certain cards because uh you can't you kind of want to feel protected in a way. But I I do feel responsible for for certain part of the market. And is would you imagine if I would just send all of my collection at once at to auction? It's like it would it would move the market considerably. And it would be stupid. So it's like I just think the the mindset is different. Like I I saw a lot of people in 2020, 2021 that came in just to speculate and make money and sell and and move away from the market when it when it softened. But this time I see a lot of like really more educated people come into the space, people who have deep pockets and they have a different approach, you know? It's not it's not that they're just coming in and out, they're holding it more long term, and they look at it as uh as a diversification of their portfolio. It's like uh yeah, they're not here to speculate, you know?
SPEAKER_00:Yeah. And I think that's one element that you have talked about in your content, and something I really strongly agree with is a diversification portfolio of alternative assets, if uh we use the mouthful there. I'm working on projects that compare Jordan cards versus messy cards, compare different archetypes. You know, I want to get it down to where at least the top 100 players in basketball, soccer, football, I want them to have archetypes that I can kind of link to other sports so that we can cross-compare, right? So that kind of mindset, we're looking at the 1986 Jordan Fleer, we're looking at the 2004 Mega Cracks bis for Messi. The pop counts for them are vastly different. There's a lot more Jordan rookies in the 10, right? Do you believe that Messi's market will be stronger than Jordan's card market? What are your thoughts?
SPEAKER_01:All right. Well, you're you're spot on in regards to the to the incredible difference there is in populations between the Fleer and the Mega Cracks. I think the PSA 10, the Messi is barely like less than 10% of the population of the Jordan Fleer. So it's kind of hard to compare, especially with with Jordan. I think it was printed while while the we called it, we called that the junk wax era, where everything was just produced in so many, so high, high quantities. But I think with with these two, it's like they're the biggest in their sport. They're they're regarded as the as the number one. Just the fact that soccer is a bigger market, I mean, a bigger as a sport, and just being the number one of that, I'm pretty sure the market is is just getting started. I mean, what fanatics is doing is is amazing. I don't know if you you saw the news, they're they're doing the Fanatic Fest the same weekend as the World Cup final in New York. I think that's gonna be huge. They're doing a tremendous job of just bringing different people to this space. Just, you know, uh, like I like it's what we do, you know. It's uh we translate our our passion for for the sport or for the player, and we turn that into collections. And I I've had a lot of people, like influencers in Europe, hit me up, especially from Spain. They're creating a lot of content for for Barcelona. For they've been doing this, and they're huge, thousand followers on on YouTube, and they want to start their collections. So that that gives you an idea of what what new people are coming in. It's like they've been a fan of the sport forever, and they're they're just trying to translate that into building their collections and their social media is is is playing a big part in that as well. Yes, and definitely what fanatics is doing is is amazing, just bringing in influencers. You know, I I saw recently I show speed in some of his lives or something like that. He was with Brady and they had some soccer cards and some run all the rookie cards as well. So I just think we're just scratching the surface with with soccer. It's it's it's so massive. And even with with with these Arab countries uh that are are getting into soccer, you know, Saudis and all that, they're trying to grow the sport. They're huge. This Fanatic Fest, the owner of the PSG was at the show. He's from Qatar, so that can give you, I don't know, different possibilities of what could happen. It's like once I'm not saying it's gonna happen, and I I I don't I don't wanna like mislead in any any way, like, but it's a possibility. Some really rich dude from from oil money or something like that enters the space and just take this to different different levels. And there's this another thing that we have to understand and and just be comfortable with the fact that there's always gonna be someone with deeper pockets. Or is a bigger fish. Yeah, exactly. It is what it is. And if if we eventually get there, uh good good for all of us that have believed in what we're doing, you know. It's uh it's how big the sport is. It's and I think the World Cup, I know though it's probably overused by now the fact that uh everyone's using that uh the US is gonna host the World Cup, and you know that. But it's a reality. I mean, you're gonna have a lot of soccer influence people in the US. And I think that's one of the main reasons the market has grown in the past couple of years, especially for soccer. That a lot of like very intelligent people that understand the space, that have deeper pockets, are getting in and they're doing it the right way. They're not chasing silvers or PSA 10s like probably most people did back in the in the COVID boom. Now they're they're really finding the grails and securing them. Yeah.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah. And my Slapnomics episode 19 that I just dropped this morning, so you can look that up. It talked about the soccer card market and the reasons why it has gone up. And I pointed to a lot of things that Rodman was just speaking about. And the World Cup is a big one. And people don't realize this, I think. But 1994, when we had the World Cup before, we didn't have MLS pro teams. We didn't have soccer stadiums. We had zero. The first one was built in 1999 in Columbus, Ohio. Now we have infrastructure. We have a league that's got some of the biggest clubs in the world in terms of what they're worth. We have Messi playing here, we have David Beckham owning a team here. We have all these incredible tailwinds that did not exist in 1994. And so 1994 walked so that 2026 can run. And it's gonna run, right? The soccer card market is up 85% over the past year. That is over card ladder's card ladder 50, which is their handpicked basket of 50 cards that represent the market, which is at 27%. So we are on fire. It's not just Messi and Ronaldo, who are almost at 200% over a year. Everything else is going up too, because rising tide lifts all boats, and because we have such a small market, you know, it's a small doorway in soccer. There's just not a lot of cards, not a lot of the good stuff, as as Rodman's talking about there. So any uh points of advice as we wind down here, man. Like this is about I've enjoyed this so much talking to you and getting your perspective because you you've been in the game for so long and you made some ballsy choices to really stand up for what you believe in, be convicted and give the people something that they can kind of be guided by in making their decisions going forward.
SPEAKER_01:You know, sometimes it's hard. I've been through ups and downs. I personally prefer a bear market, to be honest, because it's easier to navigate, especially if you believe in something, you know, or you see something in the market or you see some some arbitrage there that that's not adding up and you're like, all right, I see it, I see something here. It's like usually, usually it's easier to navigate that way, you know. But when the market's like this, it's hard because now every everyone's everyone's overthinking what their cards are worth. It's like it's it's not easy to get a deal done. But at the end, you have to use the same type of conviction you have in either market to operate and eventually get those deals done. So I'm a true believer in the consolidation process, just turning 10, 15 slabs into one or even more. I've seen I've seen people, I mean, turn 50 slabs into a really nice, nice grail, you know. So I would I would encourage anyone to eventually go that route. Cause at the end, if for some reason the market softens, it's like you know, there's certain cars that are gonna come down, especially those with higher populations, especially those that are are are are higher numbered. So try try and get what you can while you can, or you know, just be happy with what you own. And at the end of the day, maybe a year from now or or two years from now or six months from now, you we don't know what's gonna happen in the future, maybe, but we have a small window to buy, like maybe after the World Cup. Like I everyone's thinking about selling before the World Cup, but I'm thinking more of okay, what what's gonna happen after the World Cup? Probably a lot of people are gonna want to sell, and that's gonna be the perfect moment to buy. Because uh everyone thinks that the perfect moment to sell is after, like if we have the NBA finals next week, for example, or or in a month. People think the best moment is okay when Curry wins the championship. No, it's before because obviously there's more people gonna send their cards to marketplace or try to sell after he wins it. So the supply and demand, you know, works works how it works, and uh you usually have a much better window of of opportunity to buy after the World Cup. Like I saw it with Messi, like before the World Cup, like everyone was trying to obviously was trying to buy, and some people just bought thinking that okay, once Messi wins, I'm gonna want to sell it. And that it actually happened the opposite way. A lot of like a lot of his stuff dropped after after he won the World Cup.
SPEAKER_00:So I that's that's the best I could I could uh you know. Yeah. Buy the rumor, sell the news, and know what you're hunting for.
SPEAKER_01:Knowing when to get in and when to get out. And and you know, learn the cycles. If you ask me, I'm pretty sure like all of the all of the dealers that are right now shifting into NFL products, NBA products, are probably gonna stop, stop moving soccer inventory. And it's actually a perfect moment to buy because I'm pretty sure, and listen what I'm telling you this right after the Super Bowl, those dealers are gonna start and try and move soccer, and then we will see another uptick. So we might have a buying window up till December or January to get certain cards that we'll see that uptick after the Super Bowl. Every everyone's gonna be thinking of the World Cup. And World Cup is in June. So everyone's gonna try and start flipping and making deals on soccer. So we're gonna have that that small window there. We'll buy some stuff up.
SPEAKER_00:Well said. Market cycles are important, national and international attention is important. And the one thing about the World Cup, I'm gonna give you guys a little Easter egg here. I've mentioned this before, and Robman kind of allude to this, but it's in June, and there's no other American sports going on besides baseball, and baseball's in the middle where no one cares about it. So it is literally going to be World Cup, World Cup everywhere. Everybody's gonna be in bars, they're gonna be chanting USA, USA, USA. You guys know what that's like. There's gonna be a frenzy of excitement. It's gonna be bananas. All right. Thanks so much for coming on, dude. It's been so great having you here, sharing your wisdom, sharing your experience and being in the market so long. Thanks for telling some stories about Chris McGill. We love Chris. You're welcome anytime, man. Thank you, Matthew.
