Dick Baiting

Jonathan and Tom discuss the use of the "No Homo" title, recap their Pride adventures, and unpack Tom's internalized aversion to painting his nails.

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Tom: [00:00:00] What's up? What's up? 

Jonathan: Episode two. Episode two. We did it. 

Tom: We did. We did it. We're just gonna 

Jonathan: say this every time. Every time. It's gonna be an excite. We did it. We did it. We, we spent 10 minutes talking about how we did it. Before we do anything 

Tom: sophomore slump or No, 

Jonathan: we're just catching our stride, man. This is no homo.

This is the no Homo podcast with Jonathan and Tom. I'm Jonathan. Tom, what are we doing here, Tom? 

Tom: We're doing this is, this is two best friends, one straight, one gay riffing on their daily lives. The insanity of current events and what it means to be a man gassing each other up while the world burns. 

Jonathan: Nice.

There was a little stumble, but Man, you fixed it. That was great. A little stumble. You did. You came, I think I, I think I didn't lo set you up very well with the, for the intro. It wasn't the perfect AlleyOOP to get you into the log line. That's right. Um, but since we're going to do that, every time you're going to read it, we have a lot of chances to get better at that.

Tom: Someday I'm gonna have it memorized. You're gonna be so impressed. 

Jonathan: I mean, clearly we should record it and stick it in, or just not say the log line every time. But I don't care. We sh I [00:01:00] want to hear it every time. It's, it's today. 

Tom: Today is not that day. 

Jonathan: Today is not that day. Oh, man. Um, I, I'm 

Tom: exhausted from this weekend.

It was Pride Weekend. Yeah. 

Jonathan: Pride Weekend. It was a lot of fun. And you're exhausted. Are you feeling, you feeling tired from your, I'm 

Tom: feeling. 

Jonathan: I know you're 

Tom: gonna gimme shit about that. 

Jonathan: We can wait. You 

Tom: can, we'll wait. We'll wait. We'll jump into that in a little bit. Um, how you feeling after our first podcast being out in the world?

What kind of feedback are you hearing? How did it feel? 

Jonathan: It's felt great. You know, the, I think the public has spoken. They want us around. Um, the people, I think it was awesome. People have been really kind, friends listened and people had, I think what was really fun is people had. Feedback and thoughts about like what they want to hear, which I kind of feel like, and Quan, uh, was the one that pointed it out, but said like, that means people are paying attention and people are engaged if they like, they're like, you guys should talk about this and this and this.

Yeah. I'm like, at first I was like, don't, don't gimme notes. Please, we've done one. But, but really it's like, thank you for being engaged. 

Tom: Yeah. And 

Jonathan: wanting to, and wanting to, to pay attention to it, you know. 

Tom: Yeah. Totally. Yeah. What about you? How do 

Jonathan: you feel? 

Tom: I feel good. I mean, that day was scary. It was definitely like, oh my God, here we [00:02:00] go.

Um, yeah. And then like seeing, uh, thank you for posting all our clips. Trying to get attention and seeing my face come across my feed talking is like very bizarre. Um, but I'm, I'm getting used to it and, uh, yeah, it's exciting to have that. Did you have any, 

Jonathan: I was proud of you in the first episode. You did not hold back.

You, you, you said how you felt and you called out groups, not by individuals, but you were, you were holding accountable. Groups of your friends and people like generally parts of your, your friend group and family group, did you get any feedback? Were you feeling any kind of way? Did anyone say like, Hey, that was about me.

No. Like, no, no. 

Tom: Nothing like that. And um, you know, I mean, you know, this thing about people not paying to the, paying attention to the news has been in my craw for, is that the saying in my craw? I think 

Jonathan: so, 

Tom: yeah. 

Jonathan: You're the old one. You're the old head here, man. You tell me. It's, what did the old heads say? 

Tom: I don't know, man, but it's been something that's been troubling me.

So it it came, it came out. But um, yeah, and good, yeah. Everybody in their own time I guess, but yeah. And frankly, anyone 

Jonathan: individually who, if, if anyone did, I know we talked about this 'cause [00:03:00] you were feeling like, I don't know if people are feeling called out specifically and like you didn't, there were no names.

So if someone is feeling called out by that general description, well then that's more of a mirror being held up than any kind of call out. Like if you. If someone is feeling themselves like, I should be more engaged, or I'm or, or I know I'm not engaged and I hear that, well, that's just. A call to a call to action accountability of a friend.

That's what it should be, 

Tom: for sure. I don't know if you remember, I sent you that Instagram post a couple weeks ago of, I think of some therapist on Instagram talking about this exact problem, and how do people manage, you know? Mm-hmm. How, how can you be an adult that, and not totally cut yourself off from paying attention to the dues mm-hmm.

But still manage your emotions. And he, he gave some good feedback. None of which I'm gonna gonna remember, but I think like loosely it was, you know, you have to, you have to like dip your toes in, see how much you can handle. 

Jonathan: Yeah. But 

Tom: it, it's not necessarily about cutting off. Maybe it's possible that it's not about cutting off all the news Yeah.

But just how much you take in and 

Jonathan: Yeah. 

Tom: Regulating the times of day when you do it and not on your [00:04:00] phone before trying to go to bed at night, for example, like 

Jonathan: for instance, you know, 45 minutes midday on a Thursday, listen to no homo, get your news and a little entertainment. And I think that you're all set.

You know that's really all you need. 

Tom: Come here for your news. 

Jonathan: We got you. Why not? Man? You know what, why not? There are people in other, other extremes of the political, uh, world who have as much, if not less education and information than we do, and they're more than happy to spout off as if they have some kind of authority.

So get your news from no homo. 

Tom: Speaking of no homo, we did get sure. We did get some feedback on the title Uhhuh. Um, people, I, at least one person was offended by it. Yep. And so I just kind of wanted to address it. Um, and so you have the floor. I have the floor. No, homo is a phrase that, um, came out of hip hop culture, um, in the nineties.

And no homo people use it. You know, colloquially now, uh, and jokingly, I remember it first being exposed to it in middle school maybe. Um, and it would be [00:05:00] like a, a guy would say something to another guy or physically touch another guy and then end the phrase with no homo. Like, what, what I just did didn't mean that I'm gay.

Jonathan: Yeah. Um, and it's all because like, because it might imply a little gayness, whatever I did, yeah. Just to be clear, I'm not being gay right now. Yeah. Is the point of it. Yeah. 

Tom: Yeah. I guess I personally feel like that has become a joke. Yeah. For so long now that I don't really think anyone do. Do people still use no Homo, I mean, original way?

I think they do. I think that they do, 

Jonathan: and that's what's funny, but, but every time I hear it, it's like even people that like are my friends, they're the guys that are much more like. Dude centric guys, like they still have that in the chamber, you know? And I don't think that they even think about it in a way of like, it's kind of like, you know, like using the word fag or calling things gay or all of the things that go with that there, there's like.

Yeah, it was middle school for me too. Like all those things. It's because there's like a, a, a, a less than quality to it. Like, I'm not that thing. Let's make sure I'm being clear that, or, or I'm insulting you by saying this thing. And so much of that is gone because the [00:06:00] world has just moved forward. But that like, that's still there.

There's still plenty of that homophobia that exists. And so I think that people, it's like podcasters now excited, comedians excited. They can say the R word again, all this, she's like, I don't get that either. Like who just fucking. Change your, get rid of one word from your vocabulary and stop saying things like, no homo unironically.

Like, you just sound dumb. So, but, but there were some, uh, some feathers that were ruffled and so yeah, we are, we are trying to take it back. We're, we're reclaiming it. The point. Yeah. That's the, that's the power we have here. Like I wouldn't do it on my own as a straight guy. I wouldn't have a podcast called no Homo.

I feel like it works for exactly what it is we doing. Yeah. 

Tom: I mean it works 'cause I've been trying to get in your pants. It's au seven. 

Jonathan: It's true. You've, you've, but you always, but you do always finish it. Like you'll like try to grab my, never 

Tom: finished it, my dick 

Jonathan: and say, no homo. And I'm like, oh, well then in that case, okay, go for it.

Nevermind. I didn't realize this was no homo. Yeah, yeah. Go for it. Isn't that easy? That's all I needed to do. You can do whatever you want as long as you say no, [00:07:00] homo. Yeah, that's. 

Tom: Woo. That's so hot. There's a comedians the hottest you've ever looked to. Oh, 

Jonathan: thank you man. What are you wearing? Thank you. Well, this, this shirt, uh, was a pride shirt that I had specifically picked out for a boat party that we had tickets for yesterday.

And I, I figure, I will say that's what this shirt is for. What about the shirt you were wearing? What is that shirt for? Yeah, this shirt is is for the 

Tom: same party. And did 

Jonathan: we go to that party? 

Tom: No, we didn't. And 

Jonathan: why didn't we go to that party? 

Tom: Because I'm too, I was too tired. Old head. Head. My, my back was hurting.

Okay, so just for full information. We did, we did Pride party, we went to Rec. Yes. Day and night Party. 

Jonathan: Wonderfully huge party. Daytime into nighttime, indoor outdoor party, multiple stages and DJs. Killer party. Killer party. 

Tom: We were there for. 

Jonathan: I mean, not 12 hours, but 10 like, yeah, 10, 10 hours. Yeah. Yeah. 

Tom: So we carried, we partied on, yes, a hundred percent.

Yep. My back started hurting. 

Jonathan: Minute, minute 30. Your back started. We were [00:08:00] there for, to your credit, we partied for 10 hours and I. Half an hour in, you were like, guys, my back hurts. And you did it for another nine and a half hours. 

Tom: Oh man. So then, yeah, so then Sunday I, I started to feel like I didn't have a boat party in my future.

Yeah. With 7 1 8 sessions. Really good party. 

Jonathan: That's this thing on the, at the Saturday party. I, I, you know, I'm, I'm a, a. One of our friends, uh, Jeff made the, i, I like this line 'cause I call myself a tourist. You know, I, I often at these pride parties, I say, thank you guys for letting me be a tourist here. And he was like, you're not a tourist, you're a traveler.

Tourists pop in, like on their own agenda. Like you come in, you take something from it, you're doing it for you. Like, I, I like the idea that I'm there the way he put it. I'm there as a traveler. I'm not really like a staple in this, in this scenario, but I'm also not just a tourist that I take pictures to take home to myself.

I like want to experience it. I like to be there in the vibe of all of it. So. Shout out to Jeff. I as a, as a traveler, um, I was learning on Saturday that the tickets we had for the Sunday party were highly coveted [00:09:00] tickets. People like, like my status was going way up with the gaze that I was meeting.

'cause they were like, oh, you have 7 1 8 tickets. And I was like, apparently yes I do. Yeah. 

Tom: Yeah. And then I just blew in and canceled the whole thing. Yeah. I'm sorry man. It's 

Jonathan: okay. 

Tom: But did you, did you, did you have fun at the party? We went to so much fun. So much fun. Yeah. You, you are a bit of a staple at that party at this point.

Now that's 

Jonathan: true. But it, we, we, I was talking with, uh, Quan and Jeff and some of our friends about, uh, I mean, just how nice it is that I, it is a thing that I can go into and I can, I am accepted. I also like understand that I'm not there to take over. I'm there to participate, like, you know, enjoy it just like anyone else is.

Um, and that the idea of that is kind of what we're doing here. Like, I think that there's a lot of. There's a lot of things that straight culture can learn from the gay community, and there's a lot of ways to frankly improve a lot of the fears that we have and the anger that goes into a lot of things.

But I also don't want more straights coming to these parties. I'm not trying to like share the space with more straights because like, you know, you need a thing. Like that's what I bring to the parties. Like I'm the straight guy. I'm a straight guy [00:10:00] here. You can't gatekeep, you can't gatekeep. I can't gatekeep.

Yeah, you can't get Keith. Yeah,

I'm just saying, I wanna make sure that it stays a high bar. I think that I, I think that you helped me establish a high bar to be allowed into this, to be invited into this and accepted in these spaces. Well, you give us some eye candy, some like, let's say it better than that, please. You, you give us a bit of eye candy.

Yeah. I mean, these looks would've been pretty killer on a boat. I feel like it would've been, I, I 

Tom: should say my shirt is designed by Matt Ladner, who did our, hell yeah. Designed our logo and our opening music. 

Jonathan: The music, the logo, that shirt. He's got a bunch of other merch too. Yeah. Is he now a sponsor? No.

Sure he's a sponsor. 

Tom: Where's our check? Matt? We need our check. 

Jonathan: Yeah, not, not enough that you volunteered your time and talents for the art and graphics and music. Now you have to pay us to wear your shirts on the po. Oh man. Uh, alright. Did we, did we explain? No homo enough. I wanna make sure. I think we did, did we?

It. [00:11:00] That, that when I saw that comment, someone commented and I was a little bit like, get out, man. Get the fuck out. You are, you're obviously not paying attention. You wanted to be offended. You saw this and you just, all you did was read a thing, decide you were offended, and go with that. Then I can take a breath and I can say, no, I get it.

Like it is, it is triggering for people and a lot of those things, like they come from that just retro kind of mindset and the way things were when we were both younger, like. There's a lot of the homophobia and a lot of offense to be taken from the way that those things were built. And not to mention the layers of appropriation from hip hop and from black culture and all of these, like, there's so much that can go into it.

So I understand pushback, and I hope that people will understand that it is an attempt to take it back, that what we're doing is trying to shine a light on that whole, the whole idea that goes into creating the phrase. To be needed in the first place. Sure. Is kinda what we're doing here. I hope get that.

We're 

Tom: just trying to have some yucks, some yucky yucks. Just trying to have some yucky yuck. That's trying to yuck it up. That's 

Jonathan: just two buds. Yucking it up. 

Tom: I, I think we covered our bases. Great. [00:12:00] Do we have to, do we have to address every comment that's negative? No. That's ever made. Okay, good. I'm already exhausted.

No. No. All. Alright, let, let's, let's, let's move into first congratulating really, you, I was gonna say ourselves, but it's really you that it's a group effort. It's a 

Jonathan: group effort. I don't want to take full credit for this. It's a group effort, but boy oh boy, 

Tom: boy, oh boy. On this last week's episode of and just Like that, Harry does indeed have prostate cancer.

Hashtag 

Jonathan: Pray for Harry. Hey, pray for Harry. And so, as a man of my word. Tip of the cap to the writers of the show. That's right. You did that one. I will say they landed the plane. They, the moment here's. Yes. So they, they landed the plane, but also Yes. Sure. They landed, yes. Tip of the cap. Got it. Harry shows up with that news, having done all of the tests necessary to get fully diagnosed with prostate cancer.

He's been to multiple doctors, gotten, gotten multiple feedback. He, he's telling Charlotte she's hearing all of this for the first time. I understand they are busy, successful people with [00:13:00] lives of their own and they have a, their family life. I'm not here to judge people's family life and how their dynamics work.

There is no way. That I could see that many doctors without my wife knowing, at least that I was seeing doctors. Charlotte was caught totally off guard by this news at all, and he has. He has follow up diagnoses. Like he, he has been to doctors. This is a done deal. It's, we are sure that it is this. 

Tom: I I, I, I hear you.

I, I think sometimes, um, couples do that. People are weird about their me medical shit. That's, but 

Jonathan: that's like so much to do. Like that's a lot of, that's the ability to keep that many secrets from your partner that much like logistic, you know? 

Tom: Yeah. But it's Charlotte. 

Jonathan: She's on another 

Tom: planet 

Jonathan: a year ago.

Well, yeah, but we're not addressing that. At all. She was late for dinner once last season and the family fell apart. Like 

Tom: the scene before. He told her, I don't know what it was, she was with the girls or something and something came up and she was like, I could never live without Harry. I couldn't imagine it.

As soon as she said it, I set up bolted upright and I was like, that motherfucker called her like I knew it. [00:14:00] And then it immediately cut to the next scene and within 30 seconds the truth had come out and I was just like, wow. 

Jonathan: I also feel like, and I, I, I feel like I'm having a hard time being a man of my word.

Tip of the cap. It was there and it was, they, they, so they, they foreshadowed it. And also Harry was like, here's the news, Charlotte, you cannot tell anyone. This will not affect the plot of any storyline at all, except for the way you, yourself handle it. Then like that's Charlotte's journey through the whole episode is like, can she or not talk about it?

Yeah. And she's flipping out with her kids. She's flipping out with her friends and it's like. It's another one of those examples where like, good, yeah, you guys did something that's real like, like finding out your partner has cancer and trying to stick with their wishes about how they wanna handle that is, that's a real thing.

It a little bit feels like you're making fun of that thing. When you do it in this way, that feels silly, but I think that the intent is to do a real thing, show a real thing. Be a slice of life. So tip of the cat. 

Tom: Alright, let's talk about the shoes carrie's heels. Okay, my, [00:15:00] here's my problem. Wh I have a lot of questions.

Why would anyone who lives in New York City wear their shoes in their apartment? 

Jonathan: What are the, what are the why? Why, why don't you wear your shoes? Why don't you specifically, do you know like the, there's 

Tom: literally research that has come out. Yes. That your shoes carry feces into your apartment. The shit on shoes.

From a five minute walk around the block in New York City, 

Jonathan: any five minutes outside, you will have the, the statistically you will have shit on your shoes that will come back. It's disgusting into yes. Disgusting. Yes. 

Tom: So she apparently wears her heels in her apartment all over the apartment, but also heels, I mean, uh.

I don't know how women wear heels. They look to me like torture devices. I also understand that they look good, like women look really good in heels. What they do to a woman's legs is incredible. Mm-hmm. 

Jonathan: Um, and from the ground up, it does the calf, it does the leg, it does. The posture changes. All of it changes.

So heels. Bravo to heels. Tip of the cap to heels. Totally. And I, 

Tom: I love that women have sort of like claimed that making sure they look cute and like liking which heels they're wearing is a thing. Mm-hmm. [00:16:00] Mm-hmm. I get that shoes are fun to buy and fun to wear and so all that's cool. But I just think they look torturous.

Yeah. And I don't know why, if you're home alone, you would have them on. 

Jonathan: Yeah. It. It feels like one of those things that it's kind of like from the original, Carrie Bradshaw was this icon of a person, her fashion, fashion forward. She cares a lot about it. Also, she's a person with agency and she's doing, she's like a grown woman choosing to be high fashion or be fashionable, whatever, Uhhuh.

And now it seems like she's just like. She's psychotically stuck in that spot. Like she's going to wear heels all the time. She's gonna wear flowy, Venetian, the whatever things, robes to drop postcards off at the mail and she's going to wear heels. All of, did she step out of them and do the Barbie foot at one point?

Didn't she like step out? She, and not step down? It was like a, that was the moment at the end of the episode was like, flatfoot. Flatfoot, ugh. Like for the first time ever in her life, I guess she just like, yeah, heels all over the apartment. Uh, and also, okay, so we talked about it for a second before this, and you, I did not know this because I [00:17:00] lost my mind.

I was mad. I was mad at them using the line. A woman never, never, never take away, never challenge a woman's right to shoes. And I thought it was the most. Cavalier way to address like a very real thing in the world right now where women are losing, losing agency of their own body. Like a wom. Women all over the country on a state and federal level are losing the right to choose.

And then they're like, but it rhymes with shoes. 

Tom: Yes, but, but from the original series, there's, and I'm maybe cue the sex ethnicity. Fans in the comments if I get this wrong, but in the original series, there's an episode I believe titled A Woman's Right to Shoes, and I think it's one of the more famous episodes, which is Carrie gets invited to someone's house for a a party, an apartment.

And she gets there and there's a pile of shoes, just like we're talking about. It's a normal New Yorker's apartment who takes off shoes for a party, right. And carrie's just beside herself that she has to take off her shoes 'cause they're Manolo Bis. They were like $600. She takes them off. They're stolen [00:18:00] at the end of the party.

Oh, okay. And the host of the party is, I think it's a baby shower actually. She's there for a baby shower. Okay, okay. 

Jonathan: Okay. Yeah. The 

Tom: host of the party is like, sort of has no guilt over the fact that the shoes were taken. And she's like, well, maybe you shouldn't have spent your money on $600 shoes. She kind of shames carry for putting her money in that.

Jonathan: Okay. 

Tom: And kind of implies like my life choices are better. Mm-hmm. Because I'm married and I'm having kids. 

Jonathan: That and that's like, I think this is very key. Like that's some original ip. Yeah. Where they were nailing it. They're like, look, yeah. Grown ass women in New York City and all over the country and world Yeah.

Are going to choose to not have kids. They're gonna pay for things they want, they're gonna have shoes that are expensive and they're not gonna have kids. And that needs to be okay. 

Tom: Yeah. That 

Jonathan: needs, that can be a, that's going to be a fight that's going to happen for generations to come probably. So like, let's, let's call it out.

And that's what I feel like the original, having very little contact with the original. Sure. I feel like the, the point of it and why it did so well is it was, it was bringing those kind of things to light. Sure. Now it just, I mean, so I will, I will give some space there. It's, it's an inside joke for the fans, 

Tom: but I also didn't tell you how the episode ends.

[00:19:00] Carrie ends up sending her an invitation to her wedding, and the invitation says, I'm getting married to myself and I'm registered at Manolo bi. And so the, the last scene of the, the, I almost said the last scene of the play, the last scene of the episode is the, the friend at Mal Nik buying the pair of shoes while the, while the people in the store are mad at her, that her kids are playing in the shoes.

Oh, 

Jonathan: sure. Yeah, sure. Alright, I like that. So, 

Tom: yeah, I missed that. I missed that side. You know my problem with. Not my Pro I, something that I'm missing about the new season, the new series, and it actually sort of happened midway through the original series when Sex and the City premiered, you know, these were only like half hour episodes.

Mm-hmm. Um, they went down like cotton candy and they, you, you know, it was like four plot lines. The four women. Carrie always had the main plot, and then there was like, sort of maybe a serious ish one. Um, and then sort of like silly ones. Yeah, go ahead. Yeah. Yeah. And they, they were like, they were very New York focused.

It was all about dating in New York. Yeah. So they were snapshots and there was like sort of an [00:20:00] overriding arc to the series of Carrie's like. Relationship with Big. 

Jonathan: Yep. 

Tom: Um, but as the series went on and it got more popular and the characters, you know, um, rightfully so, were became Beloved, um, they started to make it more of a soap opera.

And so everybody's storylines started to, throughout the se the, the seasons and. By the end of the series that that's kind of what it was and it had lost that original sort of spark. Yeah. And I miss that. And just like that is completely just soap opera. 

Jonathan: Yeah. And except for it often isn't. I think that like, they're trying to find that spot.

'cause like some plot lines mean nothing. They, they show up and they, they end. It's like the biggest fight of the thing happening. Uh, it, but then it's over and it will never be referenced again. And if it was like. If I was used to it being episodic, I can say that being like, okay, that's great. That's episodic.

But so much of it has been this soapy kind of like yeah. Serial thing that's gonna play out. So then when a bunch of it is chunked up, it's like, what are, like who, what are we doing here? What's, what's the point of this? Um, I, we watched, my wife and I watched the pilot of the original, like the, the [00:21:00] most recent episode finished, and then HBO, like.

H, whatever they're called now, HBO back to just regular HBO, right? I think HHBO max. They're Max. They still got the max. They're not just Max anymore, they're back to HBO max. 

Tom: Yeah. And I think it actually hasn't officially happened yet, sometime in July. Oh my God. I know. It's 

Jonathan: keep up, keep up. So talking about the, the months of workshop they, uh, 

Tom: yeah.

Jonathan: Um. Alright. They, we, we watched the, the pilot of the original series came on after the newest episode of, and just like that. And it is, it is funky and it's done in a very, like, it's in that time. No wonder HBO was at the top of the game at that time. It's, it's being shot. They're doing fourth wall stuff.

They're shooting kind of funky. They're, they're being very sex positive, very sex forward. They also. Set up these archetypes right away. Yeah. Kim, Kim Catrell is the very sex positive slutty one who's like, we're gonna have sex like men. That's the way to do it. Kristen Davis is immediately looking for more of a relationship.

Uh, Miranda is immediately gay. She, I mean, she's not, but like right away she's got her choppy little hair and she's like, you know, the problem with men. And like, [00:22:00] it's like right away and. Now all of a sudden the, her only plot line now is like, I don't know what it's like to be gay girl, you've been gay for 25 years.

Like, you, you, your opening line in this series was like, you know, my problem with men 

Tom: parachute, 

Jonathan: like Yeah. 

Tom: They had her in some rough outfits to start and that the haircut, I think at the beginning is a little severe. Yeah. 

Jonathan: Yeah. Also, this past episode, this is one thing, the only thing I know about the original, the only thing that I experienced from the original is that, uh, Miranda's.

Is Miranda is the only naked body I remember seeing of any of those women. And they're like good looking women, but like I feel, and she's like the power suit one who is not really running around and yet I remember her boobs being out in like more than once and this past week, just walking through just naked Miranda walking around.

Yeah. Yeah. Is she, is she the only one who still has like a, doesn't have a nudity clause in the rider? Has she just been the only one that's been like, I'll do it. I don't care. Whatever. I mean, apparently Carrie's never done it. Never. No. I don't think Kristen Davis has either, has she? 

Tom: Kristen Davis has in the 

Jonathan: original stories.

Oh really? Okay. 

Tom: Yeah. 

Jonathan: I don't gonna get too excited about that. Sorry. 

Tom: Yeah. Yeah. [00:23:00] Now they fight over who ate the yogurt? Oh God. 

Jonathan: What? Horrible. They are bad roommates. I'm glad they figured that out. They are bad roommates together. I would've been furious if she was sprawled out on that table and I, yeah. How did she do that that quickly?

How did, how did she, how did that much space get taken up that quickly on a table that you know, is brand new that like. All of that. 

Tom: Yeah. 

Jonathan: I think like neither of them are right in this though. Like, like Carrie's maybe going a little hard and maybe didn't set up like anything about it, you know? And Miranda just.

Fucking took over that. All of it. Like it's, yeah, 

Tom: she could have maybe asked her to move in a while ago too. Like, yeah, 

Jonathan: that's true. That, what was that? That, uh, 

Tom: alright. Alright, moving on. Do you have any more predictions for just like that, that you, oh 

Jonathan: man, I do. We wanna get 

Tom: the betting marks betting markets going 

Jonathan: Well, I really, here's my problem.

This is the other, I, I don't have this as a prediction, uh, but when you reference in the, the first episode of this season. With the documentary being made [00:24:00] and now it's gone to a TV show that's being made and they were like, we need to get Michelle Obama. And there was like a whole plot arc to getting Michelle Obama.

And if that just goes away, then that's done. Like that's a bad, that's Chekhov's Michelle Obama. You can't introduce a Michelle Obama in the first act and not. Fire it by the end of it. I 

Tom: really, really hope Michelle Obama does not come on this show. That is the last thing the Democrats need right now. I agree.

Jonathan: I agree. I, I agree with you. I hope that she does not the writers. I will be disappointed if the writers put that out there to start and never do anything with it. 

Tom: Yeah. 

Jonathan: Yeah. So I don't want it to happen, but for the sake of writing in a show, like if you, you can't introduce Michelle Obama, the idea of Michelle Obama and not produce Michelle Obama.

Like, that's, but you're right, you're right. Hope prayers to God that Michelle Obama does not show up in a just like that. Is this gonna be, is this gonna become a a, a. Talking, talking sex in the city, talking just like that. Are we just, just a recap pod? No, no, no, no. Let's move 

Tom: on to some current [00:25:00] events.

Okay. 'cause I have, I have something that's been troubling me. Okay. Um, okay. So, uh, I want to talk a little bit about the situation in Gaza. Uh, so dangerous last word. Oh yeah, yeah. Just normal happy conversation. 

Jonathan: Easy, easy transition from HBO Max to Yeah, yeah, for sure. 

Tom: But I want to first start by saying that I have a lot of Jewish friends that I love dearly, and I, um, have been invited, been.

Graciously invited to a number of Jewish events over my life. Um, all of which I have enjoyed immensely. And what I know about the Jewish faith, I have a lot of respect for it. Um, I find it to be, um, so much more welcoming and, um. Just sane. Yeah. Its approach to life is so sane to me. It's a, 

Jonathan: it's a much more blue collar approach.

It's a, it's a realistic approach to life to what we're doing here. Yeah. Especially 

Tom: compared to how I was raised in the Catholic church. Yeah. Um, so I, I think Judaism is a reli, a beautiful faith. Um, I have a lot of admiration for the Jewish people and, uh, when I was young, I remember first [00:26:00] learning about the Holocaust and just being.

Devastated by it at a young age, and I, I sort of like became obsessed with it. And, you know, I've read a ton about it and I've seen all the movies and it's something that I, um. I carry with me, not in the way a Jewish person does, obviously, but I'm very aware of the horrors of that. And I am an empathetic person, I think.

And so I, I I can only imagine what it's like to grow up with that history. Yeah. Um, and to grow up with, um, I. The understanding that so much of the world is antisemitic. And certainly over the last 10 years, um, more and more of that has risen to the surface across the world, especially in the United States, all of which is terrifying.

Um, the events of October 7th I thought were horrific. Uh, I was sort of shattered by them for a while, emotionally devastated. I couldn't get enough of reading the stories and. Crying and, and just like, I, I, you know, I, I go to [00:27:00] festivals a lot. Um, I like to party. I, I know what that festival was like. Yeah.

I've, I've partied with those people. Um, so I, you know, I. I think responding to October 7th, of course Israel had to respond. Hamas is a terrorist organization. It should be absolutely wiped off the face of the earth. Um, but the situation now is, you know, almost two years in really bad and really untenable.

And I think we are. If not already into an ethnic cleansing and its genocide of the people in Gaza. And it's, it's just devastating the stories coming out of there. Um, there's two that have been troubling me a lot, um, I think is how you say it is a, uh, reputable. Israeli News Source. Mm-hmm. Okay. So this is a news source based in Israel, released a recent report about, um, you know, they have these food banks in Gaza and they've set them up.

They're, they basically look like bullpens. When you see pictures of them, they're like, chain link fences and Gaza's have to walk down these. Corridors [00:28:00] to get food at specific times, and these people are starving. There's been an an embargo on food coming in for a long time. There are millions of people that are on the verge of starvation, if not already starvation and, um, babies and children.

And it's horrific. And there have been reports now for a while about, um, shootings happening at people that are just lining up to get their food. Um, and according to this new source, Israeli soldiers have anonymously come forward with stories about how their commanders are telling them to just. Shoot at people.

Um, and they're finding bodies of people just holding bags that they wanted to get their food in. It's just, it's really, really terrible. Um, and, you know, of course Israel is denying it. Um, and their, their take is always, always, uh, that it's propaganda, that it's anti-Semitic propaganda. Um, and I just am finding that to be harder and harder to believe this is a new source from Israel.

Um, I don't think it's. At all. And I really, um, take issue with people [00:29:00] that say it's anti-Semitic to not support the, the country of Israel. Yeah. I don't support the government of Israel right now. Yeah. 

Jonathan: At all. I think, um, that's a, a very weird line of the whole thing, the, the, the tightrope walking of holding Israel accountable versus being anti-Semitic versus being against the Jewish people, the Jewish religion or like, those are two separate things and yet there's so much intertwined that it, it can lean both ways.

Right? Like I think there is a lot of like. People find the, the people find, uh, uh, for permission to be antisemitic when Israel's being real bad. Yeah. Like there's a lot of space to then make it more about the kind of dog whistle antisemitism across the board, but there's also. So then there's a lot of pushback from people who are pro-Israel or, or just like Jewish people who are Jewish or are watching it, that are like, this is starting to feel really, uh, personal, like anti-Semitic as a whole, not just anti-Israel or holding Israel accountable for sure.

So it's a tight rope. It's a weird spot, but I, I agree. Like you, they don't have to be the same thing. You can hold the nation and the government [00:30:00] and the military of Israel accountable without commenting on the entire Jewish population. 

Tom: Yeah, yeah, for sure. Um, there's another article that just came out, uh, today, I think, uh, from the Economic Times, um, about oxycodone pills that are being found in the bags of flour that are getting to the people of Gaza.

So these are, um, bags of flour that are provided by a joint, I believe a joint. American and Israeli, um, food bank situation. So, um, I'm finding not a ton more reporting on this, so I don't know if it's reliable. I, the, yeah, the economic times seems to have, uh, somewhat mixed reviews on reliability. It is a, you know, well-known, um, news source.

So I'm not on here saying that this is fact. Yeah. And I think it's important that we try to facts. Check these things. Yeah. Um, I did, I did my, the best I could before bringing this all up, but I, I don't know what the answer is, obviously. Um, and it's a lot, it's a lot to take in, but I don't know. There's a part of me that thinks I [00:31:00] just spent this weekend partying my face off and I'm grateful and it was a great, a wonderful to be around my friends and be able to experience pride in being proud to be gay and enjoying that and spending time with my loved ones.

But across the world, people are starving and being shot while they. Try to get what little food is available to them. And I think we have to find space in our lives to take both those things in. We have to talk about this with each other. Um, and I don't know what the answer is. I know like there's people that like, you know, we all have those social justice warrior friends that all they do is on their Instagram stories, post article after article after article.

Meanwhile, they have 500 followers and they're a private account. Like, I got news for you that's not. You're not saving the world with that. You're just annoying all your friends. Yeah. So I don't know what the answer is. I don't know. And, and I'm guilty of it too. I post shit sometimes too. And you know, that is a tool to get, to get information out there.

But don't, yeah. That's another I don't tight rope. 

Jonathan: Like, if that's all you've got available, then, then do it. But also dont, that's all you're doing. Don't, it's not working. Right. Don't feel like that's enough. Don't feel like, oh, I joined the [00:32:00] cause I'm fighting here. I did something. I mean, it's Yeah. 

Tom: Your, your soul's not cleared for posting an article, right?

Sorry. Right, 

Jonathan: right. Yeah. But it's not a bad start. It's, uh, it's, it, it, it's a. It does go both ways. 'cause like yeah. You know, having a bit of a, a platform myself, I'm always like, I don't know, people, people aren't here to watch me talk about the news. They're here to watch. Like, they want a little reprieve.

Yeah. And like, it's usually silly. They just wanna look at you really. Yeah. That's all it is. 

Tom: That's why I'm here. 

Jonathan: So I always feel like a little bit like, do I have the right to be doing this? But then it's like, if I have a platform, I should be doing something with it, you know? Um, I don't know, man, it and, and also.

The, the Israeli, uh, Palestine, that that conflict, that the conflict over that land, and from those two people, you know, like that's. The oldest of the conflict. That's like the, the original one that's still around. Like, I, I don't think we're gonna figure it out this time, you know, like right away, but No, no, not on episode two.

Maybe episode three. Maybe episode three. Yeah. Come back for episode three when we solve [00:33:00] the Israeli Palestine conflict. Great. All right, let's move on. Spoil alert. It's not gonna be a resort. That's not the, that's not the solution. That's not the solution. It's 

Tom: not a solution at all. Uh, 

Jonathan: um, all right. Is that, is that where they went in one of the movies, didn't they?

Where did they go? They went to the Middle East. Oh my 

Tom: God. Yes. They went to, uh, Abu Dhabi maybe. Okay. Okay. Um, yeah. That's widely considered to be a pretty horrific movie. It kind of killed the franchise for a while. Ooh, 

Jonathan: yeah. 

Tom: Yeah. It 

Jonathan: feels like that, that, I think that's part of what. What happened? Somehow they kept just enough of this tone deaf, this social tone deafness.

Yeah. That they brought back into this show that I'm like you No. Go back to the thing you were doing before where everyone felt seen and could relate. 

Tom: Yeah. 

Jonathan: Now anyway, 

Tom: I think it was Abu Dhabi. Think she, she kissed Aiden in Abu Dhabi. I think he, oh. She was married to big. 

Jonathan: Okay. Yeah. Yeah. Oof. Alright, last 

Tom: week.

Last week, we promised that we would get into the nail painting. 

Jonathan: Yes. 

Tom: And unpack why you do it. Why? I don't like it. The 

Jonathan: public has been clamoring. Clamoring for follow [00:34:00] ups. Yeah. They need more information on this. They need more insight so. Uh, where do you, do you wanna start with? Why don't we start with your internalized homophobia?

Tom: Yes, yes. I mean, how much time do you have? Um, yeah, listen, like I, I grew up, you know, a little girly. I liked musicals, I liked, um. I, I would, I would, I would make it so that Heman, my heman would marry my sister's Barbie, and then that would give me excuse. Now they're married, now I can play with the Barbies.

Mm-hmm. Like, um, and I, they, you know, there was one time I had like a record player and I was playing like Disney music in my backyard and like. Twirling like a princess. And my neighbor's younger, a younger boy neighbor, and his best friend who lives up their street like three years younger than me, saw me and shamed me.

Mm. Um, so if you wanna know why I don't like painting my nails, that is why I don't like painting my nails. Sure, sure. Um, I, I have painted them before I, you know, I go, you know, I go to Burning Man and mm-hmm. Uh, on, [00:35:00] on the Playa at Burning Man, the dust there can really fuck up your cuticles. So they recommend you paint your nails to help.

Get your cuticles through the week. Um, so I do that, but I paint it clear. 'cause I don't actually, I was gonna say, yeah, you don't even 

Jonathan: get a color. No, no, I don't, 

Tom: I don't, it really like, I, I just find it so unmasculine, um, and I know that, you know, that's great. That's the point. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. Go for it. I like to feel masculine.

I like to be with guys that are masculine and, um. That's just my cross to bear. Yeah. It is what it is. 

Jonathan: Yeah. I get it. I recognize 

Tom: that I can call it out for what it is. I have no problem with guys spinning their nails at all. 

Jonathan: I think that's the thing that's so much of that, that like, I, I get it. Like if also fashion is fashion, if you don't, like, don't wear.

Short choice. Totally. Don't wear open toed shoes. Don't wear a mustache. Like don't whatever your fashions, your fashion, do that, but don't associate it with a lesser than with a, with a somehow less of a value to their human, to someone's humanity or, or, or masculinity. Because I think it's [00:36:00] so funny for me, um, you mind if I step in?

I don't wanna say, please, please, please, please, please, we can spend more time on your internalized homophobia. I'm sure. We'll, we'll come back to it. Um, and I think that, I think that mine is, uh, perhaps it could be couched as more of an externalized homophobia. I grew up in a place, I was in the south in the eighties and nineties.

Like I, I was not ever gay and was the closest thing to like a gay kid or being around, like, I was getting all called, I was doing theater. I didn't play baseball one season 'cause I was taking a ballet class and boom, that was tough going into school. Like, actually I did, couldn't even stick with it. I, I dropped outta the class.

So that I could be on the baseball team because I could not handle the, the social pressure. That was the, the guys, the talking to me about it, the what was happening, having to explain, I'm in a dance class, that's why I'm not at baseball practice. Like, just couldn't, couldn't do it. Couldn't do it. Um, and as I got older, I've finally been able, like, there's been so many back and forth, swings in my life of like, that's how I felt.

I felt, I felt. I felt othered and I [00:37:00] felt ostracized just for like, I was like, I'm, I don't even, like, I don't want to make out with boys. I just like theater and I like dancing and I like those things. Like I don't, I don't know why these two things have to cross over each other. They're not this, they're not the same.

And, but then there's a lot of like, I. Weird self-loathing for being out ostracized, being out grouped for all those things. And then there's a lot of like, you know, I go through a wave of like, oh, those fucking rednecks, they don't know shit. Like I, well I don't care what, what dudes in Alabama think. And then it kind of, you know, I get older and evolve and it kind of settles into this spot where I'm like, I feel pretty masculine.

I feel like I'm a, a pretty masculine person. And I don't particularly like the way my nails look when they're painted the way that I like a good haircut when I get it. Or I, like I'm, I, when I look at something, I go, I look better. I don't think that way about nails, but I also don't. Care. Uh, so it's almost exclusively for the sake of the bit, when I paint my nails in a way that's like, I don't give, I'm gonna, I'm here to help the cause.

And also out anyone who has a problem with it. [00:38:00] Like some, like please. I mean, you love a bit. I love a bit and I love a, I love a poke. I love, I love, I love picking a fight that I don't, yeah, yeah. 'cause it's outing someone for being a dick. Like it's like. If I can just set something out here, I can set a little trap and then you get to show me that you're a dick and I get to tell you you're a dick and we get to maybe fight about it.

That's a win. That's a, that's a great day for me. So you're Dick, 

Tom: you're dick baiting. 

Jonathan: I'm Dick baiting. 

Tom: That's our title. 

Jonathan: I paint my nails to Dick Bait.

Tom: I've amazing. Amazing. You're such a dick. Ba bro. 

Jonathan: Yeah. Um, you used to, you used to tell me what a, what a, uh, a gay baiter I was, and I always wanna argue on it, but you look so hot when you say that, so I have a hard time arguing you. 

Tom: My, my favorite is how you told, you told me this story about how, you know, what it feels like to be gay.

I did not tell you, you told me this story at the party the other night. Okay? Okay. And I was like, is he really telling me he knows what it's like to be gay? I should have said, 

Jonathan: I [00:39:00] should have said, I have so many friends that are gay and I respect the gay history so much and I respect the gay, the tenets of the gay religion I respect so much.

I love everything I've learned about the gay culture. I have friends that are gay. Wait, wait. What are the tenets of the gay religion? I, what are the tenets of the Jewish religion? Right. I'm just repeating. I'm just taking that. I'm just, you're right. That's how I should have said it. Not that I understand the experience at all, just that I can speak on it because I have so many friends that are, and I respect the religion.

I read books on it. I've learned all about it. You 

Tom: shut off. You're not invited to next cry. 

Jonathan: You would just show up anyways. Yeah, you don't have to invite me. You don't have to invite me. I'm in. Wow. Wow. Alright. Alright, time, time for our closing segment. Okay. Who would you fight? Who would fight? Fight? Pow.

Pow. Yeah. So you gotta do it on your own or, or you gotta stay in in time? That doesn't work when I do it with you. Oh, wow. We'll, we'll rehearse. We sophomore slump. That's, we [00:40:00] just, we had such magic and now we're trying to. We just can't repeat the magic. We have to find the magic as we go. Do you think our viewers will drop off, you think like they could?

Maybe by this point? I don't think that that jingle is what made them drop off. Maybe the hard left turned from and just like that into Dazzle. I don't know. I think, I wonder if there's any podcast in the world that has those two topics. You know what? Maybe not, and maybe that's why we debuted in the top 50 of Entertainment News podcasts on Apple Podcast in domestic and abroad.

Tom: Yeah. I 

Jonathan: mean, was it Apple Podcasts? I think it was something else. They said Apple. I mean, I, no, I just did no follow up questions. I saw like number 47, news and entertainment, apple Podcast platforms, America and Canada, and I said, what I just read was Top 50 podcast, domestic and international. 

Tom: No, it's, it's from pod status.

Um, oh yeah. Apple Podcast. All right. Yeah. Top position 45. Who knows what that means. Let look. It means top 50. That's. [00:41:00] Anyway, who would you fight? Who would you fight? Pow pow. Who would you fight? Who would you fight? Okay, this week I want to fight. Um, you know, when you're on Instagram, I wanna fight the, create the makers, the engineers, the software people behind Instagram.

Sure. When you, you open up Instagram on your phone and you see instantly an article that you really wanna read. Mm-hmm. Like the, the picture, the, the caption. You're always, you're, you're always, you're, you're diving in and a second later, the whole thing refreshes. 

Jonathan: It has to be. Intentional. The algorithm pops the most.

The thing you are going to like most, it hits you with it right away, and then it goes, 

Tom: yeah, no, no idea. You 

Jonathan: scrolling, scrolling, trying to find it again. 

Tom: It's, it's not good. 

Jonathan: Ugh. 

Tom: It's, it's maddening. And like now I'm trying to train myself to quickly, if I see that, to try and see who posted it right away.

Yeah. Yeah. So I can go to find it. But, um, 

Jonathan: even that though, that feels like a, that feels like a feature, not a bug. Like, they're like, how can we get people to scroll more or go search for something like this? If, if you, if they see real quick, this is from B, B, C, and they're like, oh shit, I gotta go find that thing.[00:42:00] 

Yeah. Then you're, you're engaging more. I feel like it's. A feature on bugs. Oh 

Tom: man, that's rough. 

Jonathan: But it's rough. But yeah, fight. I don't, 

Tom: I don't, I don't like it. I, I want it to stop. 

Jonathan: We'll fight all of them. And they're probably nerds too. We got them. 

Tom: Yep. 

Jonathan: Yep. I don't know. Zuckerberg is all juujitsu out and whatever now.

Um, he didn't accept my challenge to fight. I, I invited him to a, you did charity cage match and never heard. He never responded. Never responded. Um, so I'll pivot my fight and I want to fight Jeff Bezos. And I wanna say a couple things. 'cause that seems obvious. It like, sure, it's a little obvious, but I, for a long time I didn't want him on the list because he's like such a cartoon villain.

Like, I do wanna fight him because he's like such a douche. He's like the guy who shows up at a bar with no personality, but his time working out and tucking in his t-shirt and then just like putting down the black card to buy friends. Yeah. Fuck you dude. I'll fight you. But also like he is now a cartoon villain.

He's like, he's. A bajillionaire who has weaponized capitalism to the extent that like he, he's not paid multiple years. He didn't pay, he paid zero in income [00:43:00] tax and was taking child credit, uh, child $4,000 child tax credits that are meant for low income houses, like, but because he's claiming a loss. You know, like working the system and the system is built like it's there.

It's there to be done. I get it. But like that doesn't mean you're not cheating the system. You're fucking everyone else. Yeah. So great. You found a way in, you found a way to keep your bajillion dollars and make an extra four grand that's supposed to be meant for some lower income family that actually needs help.

Yeah. So you're taking that money from people who need it. You're not paying into the system at all. But the thing that bothers me most is that his wedding this past weekend, I don't even care, frankly, that it was 56 or 50 something million dollars to, to throw. I don't give a shit. Use all your money. What bothers me is the carbon footprint of that one event was like, it equals the annual carbon output of 1500 people.

The, the heat wa I, I saw the, the statistic, and you have to extrapolate the numbers to get this far, but statistically. Two people will die from the environmental impacts of that wedding, the carbon output from that [00:44:00] wedding. Wow. The 90 something private jets that flew there. Meanwhile, I'm going to get iced coffee in 95 degree weather and drinking it from a soggy paper straw that hurts my teeth.

Like it's, it's miserable. Yeah. Um, I would get a paper straw simply because of this. 'cause we're trying to fix the environment and this guy can, can use the carbon of 1500 people in a year. For his weekend wedding. 

Tom: Yeah. 

Jonathan: Fuck you. I wanna fight you. Jeff Bezos. 

Tom: Yeah, it's really, I mean, I would love to watch that 

Jonathan: shirtless shirt.

I mean, so would he. He'd love to be shirtless. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And he is like just an old guy who works out. Like, we get it, man. You shoot yourself up with your tee, you get your trainer, but you can't fight, bro. You can't fight. Let's go. Let's go. Bezos. Is this a challenge? I'm, I am. Uh, I, I have to always make sure I have to watch how I say it, you know, 'cause some dude in Austin, some, uh, influencer or creator just got arrested for threatening Joe Rogan, like, I guess a bunch of, like credibly.

So let me be clear, I'm not threatening Jeff Bezos. I am cordially inviting Jeff Bezos to a charity. Boxing match. Shirtless. Shirtless. [00:45:00] I am, I, I am cordially inviting Jeff Bezos to a full contact oil wrestling match. You're dictating Jeff Bezos 

Tom: basically. 

Jonathan: Yeah. Yeah. 

Tom: It's, the whole thing is so let meat cake, it's just so bad.

Yeah, I was, I was thinking today, like, I don't even know, like I. To show up at that party as a guest. Just feels like, yeah, why would you even go if you were invited? You know, 

Jonathan: Scott Galloway, friend of the pod or uh, parasocial friend of the pod, uh, was talking about how he didn't get invited and he feels like he was close to the cut.

And I'm like, man, you don't want that. Like I get, yeah, I get the cool cloud, but that cool cloud comes with some major baggage. 'cause fuck you going to that. Like you don't want go to that wedding. Yeah. Yeah. That wedding is the most. Separated, like just totally unaware. Just or intentionally unaware. Let them eat cake.

Kind of like, and we didn't even get into, which I don't want to right now, but like the democratic nominee for mayor in New York City is a, a democratic socialist. And so like there's been this big socialism push, like it like [00:46:00] push back and what like the scary parts of socialism. I'm like, but we're not even doing capitalism the way that we said we were gonna do it right now.

Like, it's just cheating. Like the guys, these billionaires are just cheating and pillaging. Not, that's not what it was supposed to be. It's not, it's not furthering innovation, it's just furthering competition and production, which goes to cheating very quickly. Anyway. Um, that's true, man. 

Tom: Yeah, I would love to watch.

Okay. 

Jonathan: All right, man. I think that's it. We did it. That's our 

Tom: second episode. We 

Jonathan: did a second episode. Um, yeah. Well. You are the pro. Do you wanna read 

Tom: us out? I'll read us out. All right, thank you. Thanks for listening to No Homo. If you enjoyed this episode, please make sure to like and subscribe to No Homo with Jonathan and Tom on all podcast platforms and YouTube graphics and music by Matt Ladner.

And special thanks to Jen Dornbach, Stina Hamlin, Forrest Malloy and Quan Williams. The opinions expressed on this podcast are solely for those of the hosts and are intended for entertainment purposes only. You landed that plane, buddy. Nice work. Thanks. I love you. Love you [00:47:00] too. Bye.