Champ Your Bit

Some "No Homies" want Jonathan and Tom to be more than friends. Jonathan makes Tom a promise involving future intimacy... but only under a  specific set of circumstances. Later, the boys deep dive into the pros and cons of monogamy, commitment, and why we choose to be with just one person (or not).

SINS OF THE FUTURE RICH book: https://www.abbeys.com.au/book/sins-of-the-filthy-rich-tales-of-wicked-wealth-9781923135017.do

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Tom: [00:00:00] What's up? What's up? We, we did it. We did. Oh, I like that change. 

Jonathan: We did it. We 

Tom: did it. Don't tell anyone. Hey everybody. Welcome to No Homo with Jonathan and Tom, you like my, I'm Jonathan. What 

Jonathan: are we doing? I'm Tom. Yeah, I love it. I love it. We're driving right in. Drove right in. Yeah, 

Tom: let's. Do it. That was crazy.

We're getting wacky already. I love it. Today is Monday, August 4th. We are reminder, we're recording early. We're about to go on some vacations. Yeah. So you guys are hearing this in the future. A lot will have changed by the time you hear this. And 

Jonathan: Tom will have unbuttoned to more buttons hopefully by the time you hear this.

That looks good dude. Look at you man. Look at you. I watch on YouTube. Just listen. I love this look. Yeah. Watch on YouTube. Yeah, go. Go Follow us on YouTube. Um. Yeah. You look good, man. I like that shirt a lot too. Thanks, man. I'm trying to impress you. Yeah, it's working. It's working. Thank you. It's the, this is the best you've ever looked.

It's the hottest you've ever looked. Oh 

Tom: wow. That's crazy. 'cause this is the hottest you've ever looked. 

Jonathan: Wow. Look at us peaking at the same time. That's, that's cool. 

Tom: It's all downhill from here 

Jonathan: Until next [00:01:00] week, 

Tom: or really three weeks from now, whenever we record again. Whenever 

Jonathan: we do this again, but we're, we're in our stride, man.

We are. We're making it. We're doing it. We did it. 

Tom: We did it. 

Jonathan: We passed a thousand downloads. We have a thousand downloads on, uh, on the podcast. It's, um, it's very exciting, exciting that, uh, Mr. Wiggins, I believe your article was a, uh, help us out. It was very kind to, to have out there. So by the time this comes out, it'll have been out for a couple of weeks, but we are kind of living in the, the immediate, uh, aftermath of having, you know, a kind article written about us.

Yeah. Yep. That got picked 

Tom: up by Out Magazine as well. Yeah. Which is so cool. 

Jonathan: Yeah. Um, I don't know. It, it is very cool. It is very cool. And I. I kind of feel like, I don't know, we talked about it before. We don't have to sit, sit in it that long, but this is, uh, I, I'm, I think I'm most happy to see that at least someone somewhere responded to the fact that like, we love each other so much that we are who we are.

It's not that like people might be tuning in for our lukewarm takes on politics or for the end, just like [00:02:00] that breakdowns. But I, I think that it's, you know, I'm proud. To think that we, being who we are, uh, is something people can relate to and can attach to and can engage with. Sure. Though, I don't know 

Tom: who you're calling lukewarm.

Jonathan: Scalding hot. Scalding hot. You have great takes. I have. I like to repeat, uh, some Scott Galloway takes and then I like to learn from you. That's my, that's, that's how I, some Liz Plank. Some Liz Plank takes some, Scott Galloway takes some. Ed El takes. And then I just learn from you. No, no, 

Tom: no. That's not true.

There. There, uh. There wa there was some ha there. First of all, there's some people shipping us. There were a lot of people, uh, posting in comments. Yeah, they think we're already fucking, I love you guys. Please, please keep, keep that coming. I feel like we're already fucking too, like in my head, we already have.

So yeah. I 

Jonathan: believe that that checks out. 

Tom: I remember, remember once I recently told you that it, um, I got really sad. I think I was at Burning Man last year. I think this happened at Burning Man, and I was going to bed one night and [00:03:00] I was laying there and I got. Depressed about the fact that we would never have sex.

Like I, I really, I really, it dawned on me and I was, I was, I was really sad about it. I think I came home and told you that 

Jonathan: I'm sorry, you did tell me that. I, I hadn't, I had forgotten about that, but I'm so sorry that you were sad at Burning Man, and I think we skipped a couple of weeks while you didn't talk about it.

So look at that. We like you, you're on a good track, a good ratio of Burning Man discussions. And this one, I'm sorry, that one made you sad. 

Tom: Is there anything you can do to make you feel better? 

Jonathan: We'll see, we'll see what I can do. Probably not. Fuck you. Let's just go ahead and be clear about that. It's probably not gonna be that, but I can bake you a cake.

Call your senators, call your congressman 

Tom: if you wanna change Jonathan's mind. We need this to be all hands on deck. 

Jonathan: I, yeah, sure. Call your senator. 

Tom: Um, there, there were also some people. Posting some nasty stuff. Uh, yeah. 

Jonathan: I don't even think, I mean, maybe there was nasty. I don't know that that could have, I saw a couple.

Really? Yeah. Well, what did they say? I didn't see nasty. Um, 

Tom: uh, something about. We are a disgrace [00:04:00] to God. Really? Oh, I love that. I love that. I knew that shit. I love that. That's my favorite. Yeah. It certainly didn't bother me. Yeah. 

Jonathan: The, the ones that I had seen, people were saying like, what's the big deal?

Like I, yeah. Like I saw a couple of, I think, gay guys that were like, I have straight friends or like straight people that were like, my best friends are gay. Like, who? Yeah. Why is this a story? Who cares? Yeah. And, and I to that I say like, sure, yeah. Make, make this not a story. Right. Like that's kind of, yeah.

That's kind of my angle on my social media platform at all, is like, yeah. I, I, I, I think it still says in my bio, I'm weaponizing the mediocrity of men. Like, make it not a big deal. That's, that would be great. I would love that. Sure. You know? Sure. And to anyone out there who's calling us a disgrace to God, like please keep it coming.

That's my favorite kind of engagement. I love that bullshit. Love it. But also you've been getting some not nasty, uh, interactions. Right. I, or maybe, maybe they are nasty. Maybe they're, I 

Tom: got, I got a little bit of fan mail. I'm not gonna lie. It's enjoyable. 

Jonathan: Yeah. What are they saying? Can you share? No. No. Wow.

Wow. 

Tom: No, I I don't want to. It's, it's just between me and the fans. 

Jonathan: [00:05:00] Wow. All right. You get one little taste, man. You get one little ta look at you. Listen, I don't have, you're Gene Simmons. Will Chamberlain. Tom Felix. They're, they're 

Tom: not Jonna fans. They're not Jonna fans. 

Jonathan: They, are they, are they even no homies or are they specifically yours?

Tom: TTBD. 

Jonathan: Okay. All right. T-B-D-T-B-D, Tom Fee. Fe felines. No, that's not right. They're not. I know 

Tom: TOMA fans. Tom, Tom fans. Is it as easy as that the Johnathan and the TOMA fans? 

Jonathan: Are we a, is is that our, is that our, uh, benef name is Tom Toan, our Benef name. Um, Toan. Yeah. And so then they, yeah, they, we could be Toan and then they're TOMA fans.

Tom: Yeah, that's good. Sure. Yeah. All right, 

Jonathan: great. 

Tom: So, so no interest like that this week, because in fact, future, when this episode 

Jonathan: airs, it will be coming out, the finale will be coming out that night, right? Yes, yes. If you 

Tom: listen to this the morning, this airs. That night will be the finale for just like that. A goodbye to Carrie forever.

[00:06:00] Oh, until not, yeah. 

Jonathan: I mean, 'cause who knows? Because it's a, it's a reality that exists between hours and space. Yeah. I don't know. But it, it is not bound by time or laws of physics. So who knows what happens next. 

Tom: But, we'll, we'll be back in our next episode to wrap up, se episodes 11 and 12 and Yeah, send up.

Proper send offs. 

Jonathan: We'll do absolutely do a proper send off. And I know the three of you that like that section are gonna love that part. We're gonna really, we're gonna really bring it home. 

Tom: Well, what's going on in your life since it talks less?

Jonathan: I know this is 20, this is. Only 24 hours since the 24 hours after Sheila. It's still like, yeah, yeah. But there's so much going on. There are exciting things going on. Uh, I wanna do a quick, uh, a quick, I guess, pitch. Um, but the, the Peter Coleman, Dr. Peter Coleman, who's an author and, uh, uh, a Parasocial friend.

Um, and a, uh, I believe I could call him a Johna fan. I think that's fair to say. Um, he wrote this book, uh, sins of the Filthy Rich. And it's like, [00:07:00] I love it. It's broken up into the seven deadly sins and it's got stories of just the billionaires and rich people who run the world and the way that they are sinning and making things awful for the rest of us.

Um, it's a fun, it looks so far like a really fun read. Uh, you know, I mean in the way that like, these are the people that are ruining our world, but as much fun as you can have with that, this is like a, a fun read. So, um, since they felt they Rich by Peter Coleman, um. It, it's not only because of this, but I do have a shout out in the acknowledgement.

So I feel like I had to give the book a plug. Um, ah, just to, just so I can drop in there. I'm not getting, I'm not getting dms from fans, you know, I just can show. Do you wanna 

Tom: show us for the viewers? Can you show, do I 

Jonathan: wanna show you the, the page? Sure. Let's 

Tom: like zoom in, man. 

Jonathan: Uh, 

Tom: hold it up. 

Jonathan: Uh, yeah, I mean, I can't really show us your crop.

I'm not even seeing my, oh, yeah, that's not gonna work. You know what I'm saying? Like, 

Tom: yeah, yeah, yeah. 

Jonathan: Somewhere in there. Somewhere in there. Okay. Cool. Cool, cool. Yeah. 

Tom: Congrats. I'm 

Jonathan: proud. Thank you. Um, I also asked, uh, Peter, uh, if there was any place other than Amazon to get it, and he is a Australian. The, the book is published in Australia, but there are a couple of sites.

And if by the time this [00:08:00] airs, we get tech savvy enough that I know how to put links in any of the things that we do, I, I'll add a couple of links to, um, bookstores and, uh, sites, um, that are Australian based, that are not Amazon that will ship the book, uh, to the states. So, um, I 

Tom: think you just send me the links and then when I post I'll, 

Jonathan: you can put 'em in there.

Great. 

Tom: Yeah, I can put it in the description. 

Jonathan: Great. 

Tom: Okay, well then that's 

Jonathan: how we do it. Um, it's solved. Yeah. I, I got into the book a little bit today, uh, because I also spent the entire day at the DMV today. It was awful. It was awful. Doing what? It was awful trying to get my real id. 

Tom: But they, they do appointments now, so you don't usually have to wait.

Yeah. 

Jonathan: Uhhuh, Uhhuh, they do appointments. You uh, they do appointments, but I waited. I waited two. My appointment was at 9 45. At 1145, I got up to a counter and then this is my fault, although I have qualms with the way they put this information online, but I was short one document, which I almost lost my.

Fucking mind there. Like I, it was, I, I, I was wrong. I did not have all the things I [00:09:00] needed. Um, I don't appreciate the way they lay out what you need, but I was wrong, so I had to go home. They gave me like a pass to come back. And the way the lady said it. What's that? Yeah, she said, jumped the line. Yeah. When I went home, got my, uh, my, I hadn't my passport and I came back with it.

It was not a jumping of the line, it was just a chance to get back in line. Yeah. So I got a ticket to be at the very back of the line again. So, and I didn't even finish today 'cause I had, I had therapy today. I had this today. So I was there for another hour and a half and I could see the numbers. I was still an hour and a half in.

I had not gotten halfway through the numbers that were between me and where we were. So I just had to leave. Oh no. I found someone to talk to and I was like, can you, is there anything, you know, like is there anything fish? Was it just Phish? Was it both of 'em? I couldn't tell. It was both 

Tom: of them. They've been chasing each other.

Ah, they're going crazy. Yeah. Yeah. 

Jonathan: Um, anyway, it's like there's, I don't have any original material for the DMB. There's no new IP here because it's the same that it's always been, it actually felt almost refreshing with so much that's [00:10:00] going bonkers in the world and so much that's changing and moving at such fast pace.

The DM V still the dmv, it still sucks. 

Tom: Well, that's, that's depressing to hear. I. Felt like I had been feeling recently, like ever since they added the appointment feature. I have not been waiting when I've gone. Yeah. So I'm sorry to hear that wasn't the case. 

Jonathan: I think that the real, ID kind of skirt it up.

Yeah, I think 'cause because I agree. When I got my renewal, when I got new license plates and I got my renewal, yeah. It was actually like. Kind of lovely. Yeah. Which was surprising and refreshing and great. I think that everyone has had to cram in this real ID thing. Yeah. And it's gone haywire and it's back to being what it, what it, what it really truly is.

Tom: Yeah. That's, yeah. That's terrible. I also would recommend whenever, whenever you go to the DMV, bring a couple more of things on the list than it says you need. Yeah. Because, because of some. Bullshit like that. Yeah. This 

Jonathan: is like, and this is my A DHD. Am I not paying able to pay attention? That was on me. But what happens is like you click through on your phone, I'm like, I'm like, okay, what do I need?

What do I need? And I go through and I check, I have this, this, this, and then a pop-up window cam, and it says you have all the necessary documents for. [00:11:00] I guess a specific part of it. And I just was like, oh, there's a popup that says I have all the documents. Okay, cool. And then I went, and that was just the first of two pages and there was another one to click through.

And I just, you know, it was, it was, it was, I was just an old man at the DMP. There was like, there's no. There's nothing new to say about it. I was just a cranky old, old, the rave 

Tom: old man at the dmv. Like it just is what it is, bro. Well, I What about 

Jonathan: you? Yeah, tell me about you. 

Tom: Yeah, I mean, it's not really about me, but I was sort of, um, sh shot in fraud.

Am I saying it right? Sure. I had, I had some of that today. Um, Brooklyn Mirage, uh, which is a. Party venue, music venue in Brooklyn. Um, for those that don't know, um, sort of in Bushwick, uh, big takes up an entire block in Bushwick. Um, it's an indoor and outdoor, uh, music venue. It has like 

Jonathan: almost a castle feel.

Like a, like a, yeah, kind. There's like. Parapets to walk on this, like it's multilayered. 

Tom: Yeah. It, it was, it was, it was a very cool venue for a long time. Um, and they just announced that they're filing for bankruptcy. [00:12:00] Wow. So, which I was so happy about because it, it, that venue got really bad a couple years ago.

Um, the, the door got really. Kind of crazy and strict. Um, the security got nuts, um, and the, they were overselling everything. So the last couple of times I went, it was just like a fight to get in and, and check your ticket. A, a two hour, hour wait to check your clothes. An hour wait every time you want something.

Get the bar an hour rate to go to the bathroom. 

Jonathan: Not all your clothes, right. No, no, no. Your coat, your coat hour. Wait to check your coat. 

Tom: Sorry. No, that's a tough line. An hour wait to check all your clothes. That's tough. Those are, those are different parties. Um, so the Brooklyn Mirage like lost its magic for me a long time ago.

Yeah. So I just think it was a terrible organization and I'm glad to see it go down. I hope someone buys it and turns it around and makes it fun again. But, um, you know, 

Jonathan: listen, all the no homies out there, let's band together. Let's go. Let's incorporate and, and buy Brook Brooklyn Mirage. No, I don't want that at all.

You don't wanna be a venue host? Nope. You don't wanna be a 

Tom: venue owner. [00:13:00] No thanks. No, thanks. Um, 

Jonathan: but how about this? If, if anybody cool buys it, um, we'll help host the first party. The, the, the No homies can help, can be a part of the first party that that throws. Sure, sure, sure. That's fine. 

Tom: The Jonathan fans.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Excuse. So since we're, since we're not, since we're recorded like sort of a couple episodes fast, um, uh, I thought we, you know, we were talking earlier about, uh, maybe by the time we come back to recording and we're back in real time again, will the Epstein files have been released, is the question, what do you think that 

Jonathan: is?

What a question. Uh, no, no, no. I mean, they should be, obviously. They should be, but I, I think that. Well, let's see. What do we have as detraction so far? We've talked about it a little bit. There's the trying to fire the chairman of the Fed there is actually firing the, uh, the, um, messenger. The, um, what was the position?

The, the, the, I 

Tom: forget the push. The, the, yeah, the data, the jobs report data. The person 

Jonathan: who had the gall to say to report facts. The, yeah. Um, uh, I, I don't even know what that, I didn't write [00:14:00] 'em down. They don't have 'em all here. There's, it's like the 12 days of Epstein Obama. 

Tom: The Obama suffer Obama of Russia.

Jonathan: Um. I, I, I think that in our time off here, we should fig, we should write the 12 Days of Epstein as a song, as a Christmas song. Oh, Jesus. Um, and like a Golden Ballroom is a great, you know, like, like what the, have you seen the renderings of that? Like, it's 

Tom: so garish and, and horrific and, yeah. And I can't believe tax.

Money is gonna be spent on this gold golden ballroom. Yeah. I, I hope it somehow doesn't happen. It's just a, um, it'll be such an eyesore on the White House. There's no need for it. Yeah. Um, his obsession with gold and garish, gilded a, as much as I'm a fantom of the gilded Age, I don't wanna see that stuff.

In the old law, he's, he's 

Jonathan: just a cartoon villain. He just like, it's like. It's like when he was a kid, he thought, I wanna be rich. And so he was looking at the cartoons of rich people and like, and like swimming money. Yeah. Like literally he just, he Scrooge McDuck. Yeah. With, with less character. Like he's, it's so gross.

Tom: It's gross. 

Jonathan: Yeah. Um, you were telling me that there's, I, because I don't know [00:15:00] anything about this and I need to know more, there might be aliens on the way. 

Tom: Yes. So there's a, a mysterious large object that is entered. I don't know if it's in our, I don't think it's in our solar system yet. Maybe I don't remember this detail.

Uh, so typical, no, homo, look it up. Google it. 

Jonathan: Call your senator. 

Tom: Call your senators. Call your congressman. Find out about the spaceship. It's visible on like. Telescopes or something. Um, it's big. It's moving towards us. They don't know what it is. Some scientists think it could be some sort of comet from another, um, solar system, maybe that Rico shade in their ours.

Um, there are a group of scientists that have theorized that it could be an alien. Mm um, an alien race coming to. Visit us, attack us, what have you. Okay. Um, it did make the New York Post, so you know, it's legit. Well if 

Jonathan: you read 

Tom: it in the post. Um, and so it's all over like social media now. So, um, tons love ofs.

Feel like millions of gullible Americans are, 

Jonathan: aliens have had a [00:16:00] really hard time recently. I feel like they, like, during COVID, aliens try to make a comeback and then like. A year ago during the strike in the, like the SAG strike and the big first kind of first round, I guess second round of AI push and like the news was all ai and then there was, there was space again.

There was like maybe aliens and aliens have had a tough time getting in the news. They cannot get people's attention back. Alien. Yeah. People are over. Aliens are so early two thousands. Nobody cares. You think daily? I hope man. I hope. I would love it. I would love it. 

Tom: Even if it meant we were all gonna die.

Jonathan: I mean, if we're all gonna die, we're all gonna die. Like, I don't know. I mean, what, how, and also, how do we know that we're all gonna die? Maybe they're not shitty. You know, maybe they're gonna help us through this. 

Tom: Oh God, I hope so. Um, yeah, I don't know. I mean, I guess the odds of being the human race that gets killed by aliens at the end, like what are the chances of being the one Yeah.

You know, so I, I'm not that worried about it, but also like it's a hell of a way to go. So 

Jonathan: I, and if any of this, if any of this lasts, I feel honestly good. If anything survives. Then what will have survived right at the end [00:17:00] will be some of this material and we can talk about what a clown cartoon villain Donald Trump is.

Yeah. And how much I love you. Those are the two things that get to go down in history. What if only the gays survive? Walk me through the math on this. Just, just arbitrarily just 

Tom: they just, they just realize we're better. Oh, sure. Okay. And they, they decide to level up the human race and get rid of all the straits and, um, they'll help us figure out how we'll yeah.

You know, um, multiply, but sure they have that. That's great. They have that knowledge. They're bringing it to us. 

Jonathan: Yeah. Well, so at that point, I tell you what, tell you what, tell you what problem solved. That's when we have sex. 

Tom: Okay. 

Jonathan: When the aliens are like, all right, dudes who have sex together can stay, then that's, 

Tom: so I'll do it To save your life.

Yes, you could. Okay. 

Jonathan: Thank you so much. I You're welcome. That means so much to me. You would do that for me. 

Tom: You're welcome. So, so, so we're getting ready. So one of the reasons we are about to, um, Quan and I are about to go away, as you know, we're going back to Honcho camp out. Mm-hmm. Uh, next [00:18:00] week we go, um, it'll be my third time, his second.

Um, so his first time was last year we went together. Um, that was his first time last year. That was his first time, yeah. Oh, so Honcho is a, um, a DJ collective from Pittsburgh. Um, it's a gay, they throw a monthly party called Honcho in Pittsburgh. Um, gay party, queer party. Um, but also everybody who likes good music I think is kind of welcome.

Um, really great music. Great, great, uh, great taste in DJs and, um, they, this is the 10th year they're throwing the honcho camp out, which is a, um, literally a camp. It's a, it takes place on a campground. Um, a very, yeah, it's like legit. Interesting. Yeah, it's an interesting magical campground. Um. And it, uh, it's a long weekend and they bring DJs from all over the world.

Um, well-known DJs, up and comers, uh, really well curated. The event just gets better and better and better. Nice. The guys that throw it, uh, they are, uh, I forget the phrase, they don't. Sit on their laurels. Is that Yeah, I think that's right. Yeah. Like rest, they don't rest on their [00:19:00] laurels yet. No. Like they, every year they make it better.

They've already announced some exciting new stuff for this year, so we're excited. We're especially excited. As you know, we got engaged there last year and Quan surprise me, um, we're not, it's the, we're not married yet, but, um, 

Jonathan: it's the one year anniversary though of the engagement. That's exciting.

Tom: Anniversary. So we're gonna celebrate. So That's 

Jonathan: so exciting, man. Yeah. I'm so happy for you guys. Thank you. Um. That was, so, it's, it's so fun to think back to a year ago because, uh, you know, you don't even really know. But I, I mean, maybe now you do because, uh, you know, you don't even really know. But I, I mean, maybe now you, um, yeah, I did.

Um, it was very exciting. Um, oh 

Tom: yeah. You knew what was happening. Yeah. Wow. It was very 

Jonathan: exciting and I'm, I'm glad you guys are going back. I, I know we talked about it this weekend a little bit, and I was. I figured we could talk about it on here. I was wondering about if you wanted to talk some about like, okay, you guys are getting married, and what does that mean to you?

What does that mean as far as like monogamy goes? What does it mean as far as like, let's, let's start there. What does it mean as far as like monogamy goes? [00:20:00] Yeah. 

Tom: Well, uh, so Quan and I are not monogamous, as you know. Mm-hmm. Um, we have, so this is, um. The four. We've been together almost four years. I've known each other a little longer, um, and we never have been.

Uh, and, um, we've had this conversation a bunch, but I, I do think it's fun to talk about, um, uh, w. So Quan is really the first, uh, as you know, uh, successful long-term relationship I've really ever been in. Um, I've, I've had some other relationships that, um, were not successful and, uh, but I learned a lot through them and don't think I would've been ready for Quan had I not gone through.

I agree with that. Every single relationship I've ever been through. Um, and I definitely ended up with. The right guy for sure. I agree with that too. Yeah. Um, and so I feel really lucky about that. Um, and he has been in two long-term relationships before me, both of which were, um, monogamous and. Part of the push and pull with us at the beginning of when were, were we gonna get together and make it [00:21:00] more fic official, is he, uh, was resisting.

He, he, he felt something, he knew that there was something special between us. Yeah. But he was resisting because he didn't want to be monogamous again. Um, and once he realized that I had no interest in that, um, I mean, we got together when I was. 41. And I had never been in a monogamous relationship at that point in my life.

And I, like, I, at that point I was like, you can't teach an old dog new tricks. I have no interest in doing that. Um, I, my feelings are, um, first of all, I wanna make it clear we're emotionally monogamous and that's important to both of us. Sure. Um, so we are not, um, we're. Uh, polygamists. We're not like having relationships and I know tons of people in my community that do that, um, and, and works for them, and that's awesome.

We're not at all ever interested in that. I mean, never say ever, who knows? But, um, it's not something right now that we're interested at, at all. Um, we want to build a life together that's really important to us. We're part of the fun we're [00:22:00] having in our relationship is I think we're both really enjoying building a life together.

Yeah. Um, and that involves emotional monogamy. Um, but we both, I think, um, as, as sort of turned on as we are by each other, I think we both feel and agree that, um, I just don't think there's any one person in the world that can satisfy your, all of your sexual needs. Yeah, I think that, that, if, that, if that does happen for some people, sure.

I guess I believe you. I don't really, but good for you. If it does. Well, 

Jonathan: is it fair to say that like part of your, and maybe for everyone, but certainly for you, part of the, the, those sexual needs are. Are diversity, are it being someone different because like Yeah, I, I 

Tom: think that there is something totally exciting about it being someone new.

Um, I think we both enjoy that. Um, and, and to be honest, it, like, I, I always joke, and I'm not even joking, I, I, I always say like, we're still jealous. Both of us still get jealous. Um, but for me it's like 49% jealousy, 51% turned on. Yeah. And that combination really works for me. 'cause it, it's just on the side of being okay with it.[00:23:00] 

And it fuels our sex life. Actually, I get so turned on by seeing how other guys think he's hot. Um, that. That gives me pride. That's my man. Yeah. Uh, I, I love it. Uh, it, it makes me want him more. Um, and, uh, we, we, we sort of do have rules. Um, I think there are a couple couples that are non monogamous that have rules like, you know, no one more than once, no one in our home.

Uh, those kind of things. We don't really have that. We just have a rule of total communication at all times. So we tell each other. About everything. Um, uh, we, we, when, when there's a way to do it, we ask ahead of time. Sometimes you can't do that. That's sometimes, sometimes the universe just presents you, um, an opportunity.

But, um, you know, we, we try to just stay communic. The whole time. Yeah. And, um, we also have like an open door policy about like, [00:24:00] um, if e either one of us at any moment is allowed to change our minds or say, uh, I really would appreciate it if you did not hook up with that person for whatever reason. Yeah.

Um, or I want to, I, I'm feeling threatened right now. I want to close down for a while. We haven't had that happen, but we both have the opportunity to do that at any moment. Um. And so there is, there's work involved. Like it's, um, it feels to me like it's a fluid thing and or like a a like when you're, when you're trying to keep a ball in the air or a balloon in the air 

Jonathan: keep you epi Yeah.

Yeah. It, it's like non-monogamy is like keep you epi. 

Tom: It is, it is. I think if we were to like stop communicating Yeah. Um, then the ball would fall. 

Jonathan: Yeah. It seems like maybe that's like kind of a, a misunderstanding. People who maybe are kind of jumping into non-monogamy are not, not always aware that the communication is.

Maybe even more so, like it's, it's more necessary because it's not a template that you kind of like know that you don't have it to set rules. Yeah, 

Tom: totally. I, I agree with you, but I have, I do know tons of people that [00:25:00] have. Um, don't tell, don't ask, don't tell relationships. Mm. I don't know how that works, but I, I think that there are people that, that is what works for them and yeah.

So I think it's about communicating to find out what it is. 

Jonathan: Sure. Yeah. Yeah. That to me is the, the most important thing. Like, I don't even really, I, I get, I get what you're saying. I get, uh, I can see parts of everything that you're saying. Um. I just think the most important thing is whatever contract you decide you and a partner are gonna have that you decide to have that, that you agree on that?

Yeah. You, you communicate about what that is like, my wife and I are monogamous. We got married and like, it's all kind of like hetero norm and there's like a pretty set template for that. Um, and you know, like within that kind of, the way that we both frankly kind of live our lives is like we didn't, we didn't, uh, buck any norms.

Too much at all. But within the norms that we live in, we find the edges and we find a way to play around. And I don't mean just monogamy, I mean like in our lives, like with our jo with our wedding, it was kind of a traditional, like classic wedding because that's just kind of the way we ended [00:26:00] up going down.

We were like, all right, but how can we fuck around and have fun with this inside this template? Right. Um, pardon me. And you know, we have. It's funny. I know you've asked me and, and Jen and I have talked about it, um, at, she actually said when you brought up that 51 49 thing recently, and she was like, oh, I like that.

She's, she's, she actually used that, not just not on monogamy, but just like in life a couple times she used recently. Wow. How I'm dying to know specifics. I need, I don't remember. I, I'll, I'll, I'll try to come up with it. Um, okay. I'll, I don't know. I'll post about it or we record again in a month. I'll, I'll try to have 'em ready.

Um, but it, for us. It's a, it is an open conversation, but we both agree, like that's not something we talk about a lot right now. A because we have two young kids. Yeah. And like the, we've said multiple times to each other. Like, the thing that I would be most mad about right now if I found out that she was having an affair is like, we got fucking, I'm tired and we have things to do all the time.

If you're finding time to sleep with someone else. Yeah. Instead of just like sleeping. Yeah. Like get some rest because we are busy and it is like exhausting. Yeah. And not to say [00:27:00] that no one else, the people that non-monogamous people aren't busy. Just like, I don't, I don't, there's attraction. Sure. There's like the, I think that some of the same things are, are true here.

Like people being attracted to my wife turns me on. I don't get, I don't get overly jealous. I get, um, like protective. I guess if people are being. Rude. Yeah. You know, or like if it's like it feels disrespectful or if it feels like, and it's, it's really, I mean, we don't, we're not even barely in public enough or when we are, it's around, it's at gay parties, so it's not like people are hitting on her that hard.

But back in the day when we used to be fun and be out, um, you know, I would have my own pride that we get involved if people were hitting on her in front of me, you know, whatever. And that's kind of a, a, a jealousy and a pride thing, but most of it just comes down to like, I, people, I think she's hot.

Thinks she's hot, like great. Uh, that doesn't bother me at all. As long as you're showing respect. We just never, uh, we were in a template that's like we were, we were going to be monogamous. We agreed to be monogamous. It's kind of like, I think in the early Did you have an actual conversation about Not for a long time because like, I [00:28:00] mean, we talked about when we were going to be exclusive, like we talked about, like when we first started dating, we were not, yeah.

Exclusive. And then after a while, like I moved in and we just, we agreed we were going to be exclusive and like that was the, it was just the like, are we going to, or are we not going to, there wasn't much conversation like within that. Neither of us, we both had gone through either like. Neither of us had experience with being emotionally committed to someone and not being physically committed to them.

Yeah. So we just went with that and I think that I, you know, like, I guess you can go kind of macro and look at like, I don't know, the, the nuclear family and, and throughout history, what, why it became what it became. And it's probably the patriarchy's fault, but also like it is kind of easy to not have to have all of the conversations all the time.

And it just checks one of those boxes and it's still like. It still does take work. You know, it still takes work. Uh, you know, I might be attracted to other people. We have to find that line of where it is. Like, I want, not about like, can I sleep with someone else, but like, what makes everyone [00:29:00] most comfortable?

Is it, is she happy? Am I being too much of a dog and she's getting uncomfortable? Am I, you know, like anything in there, I wanna make sure that she's happy and that we're communicating in a way that is keeping us both comfortable and happy. Yeah, and you know, we, I think that we are both at a place. It's a hypothetical because literally because of like young kids at home, like neither of us have time for the bandwidth for that anyway, and we have to just kind of like buckle down and focus on this.

Anyway, uh, I think that we, because of you guys, I think we can see the world where it's like we would. Always be emotionally monogamous and maybe like if, if, I don't know if there was a, there was space and margins to play around or whatever, maybe, but like neither of us are looking for that, right? Yeah.

Neither of us like, and I go to, you know, these parties and like, they can be really hot and sexy and some of them are like mixed hetero. And so like there will be hot women walking around and I really don't feel like. An urge to do something. Like I enjoy it and I like really take it all in and like being there, but it's not like, [00:30:00] oh, if only I didn't have that wife at home, I would definitely be like banging out right now, you know?

Yeah, yeah. Um, I, and I think that's just from like, the years of it. It's like, it, I, I think there's something about the. The exclusivity also creates work. If you wanna stay good, then you have to work within that. So we, you know, yeah, definitely get creative ourselves and we have to kinda like find new because it's not just like, there's not just like one or two things that she doesn't do for me, but there is something about the newness of a new person, right?

Yeah. Like, so, so when it's the same person for a decade plus, then you gotta, yeah. Figure out how to make anything about it new. Yeah. And that's kind of like its own fun thing, you know? Yeah. And it definitely can like hit ruts and then you're like in a rut and like it's not, we're not feeling very sexy.

We're not feeling very close. And then we realize like, oh, let's just fucking change it up a little bit. Let's just like have fun. It's not even just have fun in the bedroom. It's like, let's have fun in life. Let's go do a thing we used to do or go through, do a thing that we haven't ever done and let's find, let's, let's work so that we can find each other [00:31:00] again.

Um. You know, let's go to 

Tom: a gay party with Tom. 

Jonathan: Let's go to a gay party. Yeah. I mean it worked. 

Tom: Whoa. Wait, so do you think like by the time the kids are in college, like you guys might, like, is there a role? Yeah. I don't know. Like 

Jonathan: that's why it's not like a black and white. I knew that. I shouldn't say that out loud to you because it's not like.

It's not like we were like, okay, on this date we will start opening up. It was just like, I can see, like I'm not jealous. I just thought the idea of 60-year-old Jonathan, like 

Tom: on the market. 

Jonathan: Yeah. That's part of the thing too, is like, yeah, sure. By the time the kids get outta school, great, by the time the kids move out.

Great. Have at it like go get, go get all the ass you can get.

I feel like that's probably just her. That's her calling my bluff. She's like, sure baby. As soon as the kids move out, whatever you want to do, go do it. You old man, no, it's not like there because neither of us are like chomping at champing at the bit. Right. Champing not chomping. Right. Champing at the bit.

I'm pretty sure it's chomping. Though it doesn't make sense. Check me on this one. I, it's shopping really? It seems like it should be, but I'm pretty [00:32:00] sure it's championing. I know it doesn't really make sense, but I'm pretty sure that it's, we need someone that's like 

Tom: watching us record this. A producer. We need someone that 

Jonathan: does, we need someone that does all of the jobs of a podcast 

Tom: chopping at the bit.

Jonathan: Okay. I'm not gonna, oh wait, here's an article. Yeah, yeah. There you go, motherfucker. Let's go. 

Tom: Let's go. Uh uh, champ at the Bit. 

Jonathan: This is great, great podcast. Webster 

Tom: says, champ at the bit is to show impatience at restraint. Be restless. 

Jonathan: That is the definition I'm looking for. That's what I'm talking about.

Tom: Wait, but Webster's ads that chomp at the bit is a variation. 

Jonathan: Great. Boo. No, no, no. You said I was wrong. I did not say you were wrong. You said I was wrong. I did not say what 

Tom: Champing. I said championing was wrong. 

Jonathan: Yes. Oh. Yeah. Champion's not wrong. This is great. I feel really great. I feel like 

Tom: the, the world has moved on to chomping, like you're old school if you're using champing, okay.

It might be correct, but it's outta date. 

Jonathan: That makes no sense. Take that back. Take that back. I'm, I'm about to lose all respect for you. That's not a thing you can say. 

Tom: Can I, can I champion you? I would love to champ your bit. 

Jonathan: You do champ me. [00:33:00] You are. You are impatient. You read the definition again of cha championing at the bit.

I just wanna champ your bit. Yeah, there you go. Well, I'm glad you found a title in all this nonsense. Yeah, yeah, 

Tom: yeah, yeah. 

Jonathan: Just a 92nd meander so I can find a good title. I love it. 

Tom: I'm writing it down. Uh, just does Jen, it's, it's, it's a little like nine years you've been married. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's, it's, you know, I maybe should have asked this earlier, but, um, nine years in, does Jen get, uh, jealous or threatened when I flirt with you?

Jonathan: No. 

Tom: No. She's like, 

Jonathan: no. I mean, good luck, luck, luck. Well, and you talk about like, you can't get everything from everyone. You can't get everything from one person. I mean this now, they're, now the, the no homies are really gonna ship us, but like, you clearly give much better massages than my wife can give. So she's like, take, she's like, take what you want.

She's like, in fact, she, she's very, she's very confident that you're going to find my lines before you find her line. She's, she's like, yeah, do whatever. I don't care if he says, if he says yes, go for it. [00:34:00] 

Tom: Love it. Love it. That's amazing. I also, I, you mentioned your wedding. I mean, maybe we should, um. Share with the audience.

What one of the things that made your wedding so extra special? 

Jonathan: Oh, you mean that thing that's in the vault? Are we gonna repeat ourselves now? Is it okay to repeat things that are in the vault now? Yeah. Do you mean, do you wanna talk about how you were the efficient at our wedding? I do. Is that what you, yeah.

You wanna talk about it? I do. Is that in the vault? Yeah, we, I mean, it is, we talked about it in a, in a practice episode because it was our anniversary. That's right. Um, but yeah, let's talk about it. You, uh, you were the efficient at our, I was to you married, UST for your, we were honored to be at your, uh, standup special.

It was a hit. You were a hit. You were a hit. We had a, we had a. Pretty, like I said, kind of a template templated wedding, kind of a classic style wedding. And we had a lot, a lot of people there because her mom and her dad wanted to invite all of their friends. And we said, sure. Great. That's great. Um, and so there were a bunch, a bunch of people who did not know you at all.

Our friends knew you. Yes. But then there were a bunch of connect tokens and people from across the [00:35:00] country that did not know you. Yep. And you were a riot. You, you had them in the palm of your hand. I did. And in fact, I, I think it really is on brand for us. If you. Do you have it in your back pocket to give the opening line of the wedding?

I do. Of course, of course. Yeah. It's one of 

Tom: my, one of my classics. Well, I, uh, it's just, you know, you got, you came down the aisle, Jen came down the aisle, I'm sorry. Um, so the whole procession happened, and then the audience settled down and, um, I, they were, they were uproar. They were, they were dancing at the streets and you settled down.

I, I felt like I needed to explain who I was. Mm. So that was like my first piece of business I wanted to get done. So I was like, you know. Hi everybody, welcome to Jonathan and Jen's wedding. Um, for those of you that don't know me, my name is Tom. Uh, I've been a FA friend of Jonathan's for, I think it was like.

Seven years at that point or something. Yeah, that's him seven, eight years. And uh, I was like, I've dreamt about this moment ever since I met him. Of course, in the dream I was standing up here instead of Jen, but at least I made it up here at all. And there was like a brief silence, [00:36:00] like they didn't understand what they had just heard.

And then an uproarious laughter. And I, from then on, I had them in the palm 

Jonathan: of my hand. You did, you had 'em in the palm of your hand. Um, all of my Southern Baptist family that came up. All of the Connecticut Jews, all of the, you had 'em. You had 'em all. I, I did. It was, it was lovely. I did, did 

Tom: I, I think I was requested, a lot of people requested to meet me at the uh mm-hmm.

The cocktail. We were, 

Jonathan: you know how you like go around and you have to like talk to everyone at whatever. We're like going around to each table and thank everyone for being there and people that I didn't know I was meeting people because I was like meeting her. Parents, friends that they wanted to invite.

Tom: Yeah, so 

Jonathan: I'm meeting people at my own wedding who are asking me about you. Can they can, can I introduce you to them? Can, who is he? How do we know more about him? I was like, I hope you got me a good waffle, iron, whoever you are. 

Tom: That's amazing. 

Jonathan: You are the closest I have to an open relationship. You are my, you are my, uh, my hall pass.

Tom: No. If we ever got together, I would close that shit up. Right up. I would [00:37:00] shut that shit down. Lock it down. 

Jonathan: Wait a second. Wait a second. 

Tom: Yeah. If you ever came out of the closet. Snatch lock, what? Gates coming down? Yep. Yep. 

Jonathan: All this talk you gave me 20 minutes of you can't teach an old dog new tricks. 

Tom: No, no.

I would still be, oh, yeah, yeah. That checks out okay. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. For sure. For sure. I would just be too nervous. I couldn't set you loose on that gay community. 

Jonathan: Mm, yeah. That's fair. No, yeah, that's fair. I 

Tom: would be nervous for you. I'm really just keeping an eye out. 

Jonathan: I mean. I don't even, I don't,

yeah, I get it. I, I get it. Um, I can see a world, and I think about this like plenty, like I'm not interested in men and I'm not interested in being open, but I can see, oh, I like, it makes sense to me that a man liking men. There's a world in which I could make sense that to agree to be open. There's like the power dynamic can be closer to equal the, [00:38:00] like, the, even the, even like outside of society because, you know, wherever the, the gay community has or has not been able to fit in, in society.

Like, you know, there's a promiscuity to men that kind of exist and there's always, men are dogs. Men are dogs. Yes. And so if like, you're a dog who wants to sleep with dogs, like sleep with all the dogs, like I kinda get that, you know? Yeah, yeah. Yeah. I think it makes, I like that to me. And then we've got, uh, I went to look up their names, the fucking Texas people who just got divorced who are the biggest, like, 

Tom: oh yeah, yeah.

The past, you know, 

Jonathan: traditional family bullshit. 

Tom: Yeah. 

Jonathan: And they're get like, no, nobody knows. Like, um, that was all affairs, I'm quite sure. That was, yeah. Just, just rampant affairs. Well, 

Tom: who's the other one that was paying the pool Boy? Or they, yeah, Falwell. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. To just 

Jonathan: get coed or whatever.

Tom: Well, you know, they call, have you ever heard of the gay handshake? 

Jonathan: I have not, 

Tom: uh, the gay handshake is when gay guys meet they fuck. Um, and so I think, uh, a lot of, um. And so what that translates into is that often [00:39:00] friendship circles in the gay community or there's also like, you'll see memes of 'em where you'll see like a, a meme of a bunch of gay guys in like a dining room and it'll be like arrows pointing to this one's boyfriend, this one's fucked.

Yeah. And it's a joke, but there's also an element of truth to it because yeah, we do sleep around more than straight people do. And um, I think in general it's um. It, it, it has its pluses and minuses. Um, you know, uh, we have to be careful and smart about, uh, STDs. Yeah. Um, and they're more rampant in the gay community, um, yeah.

Than the straight community. Um, but because of, um, the introduction of prep, um, which, you know, people take to prevent HIV, um, prep now means that. Most gay men, I think these days are on prep, and that means that, um, you have to get your blood checked every three months when you're on prep because it can adversely affect your kidneys and your liver.

Mm. Um, so you have to have the, you have to have your numbers checked just to make sure that's not happening. And, um, [00:40:00] so in addition to doing that, which is so smart, what the medical community does is when you come in for your blood tests, in addition to that, they do all the s STD tests. Mm. Yeah. Which means four times a year.

Basically every gay guy is having that done. And now the, now there are actually issues of STDs more in the straight community. 'cause they're not testing as much. They don't know to test 

Jonathan: Well, yeah, when I was, when I was like new to New York, the first, I don't know, many years, first decade I was in New York.

I, for a lot of it did not have, it was. Insurance. It was like before Obamacare, and so I just didn't have insurance. Um, and so I would go to like the Chelsea clinic, um, yeah. And I was, I just would go every quarter, you know, or if like there was an oopsie daisy, like, then I would go, you know, on a one off, but I would go every quarter.

Yeah. Um, and I, it also felt like at that point, one of my closer experiences to the gay community because I, I like, yeah. Just, just from the eye test of it. I seem to be one of the few straights in the room. Yeah, 

Tom: totally. I took, I took a straight friend there once who had a scare and was nervous about going, and I was like, I'll, I'll go with you.

I'll hold your hand. Um, but yeah, [00:41:00] so I, I, the gay handshake, like that is sort of a, a potential negative of. How much there is, you know, we sleep around, but I think it also means that the bonds are stronger. Um, you know, people, um, friends that I've slept with that I don't necessarily hook up with anymore, like, um, I don't know, it's just like sort of strengthens a bond or it like, um.

Uh, so, and also so many more gay men, straight people. What is wrong with you? So many more, so many more gay men stay, you just 

Jonathan: move your camera. You just, I did. 

Tom: You just, am I, am I out of, is it okay? I think you're there. 

Jonathan: Let's go. We can do it. It's okay. I think you're still in. Yeah. 

Tom: Uh, do I need to lower? 

Jonathan: No, you're fine.

Let's go. Um, 

Tom: god dammit. Um, so many more gay men stay friends with the. With people that they broke up with. And I think that's a fucking beautiful thing when it happens. I, for the most part, have stayed friends with people that I used to date. Um, I, once I love someone, it's really hard for me to stop loving them.

Yeah. Um, unless something really, really shitty [00:42:00] happens. And for the most part, I think a, a lot of gay men are the same way. And I think it's a beautiful thing. And, um, I wish straight people were more, could be more. Grown up about that. 

Jonathan: I'm not sure that I, I will just push back a little bit. I'm not sure that it's just about being grown up and like you break up and like there, there is, there's undeniably, this is something we've talked about before.

Uh, you and I, uh, like the power dynamic exists in, in society and in the bedroom like that is, that is true. And so it's less about like, like you might break up. There's, there's just so many reasons to break up that then you don't want that person in your life, you know? Sure, sure. And especially if you haven't had like.

It, we kind of talked about it before too, like the, the strength of building the community, having to build it on your own Yeah. Is not an easy task and it should not be a thing that a group is tasked with. You should not have to do that. Yeah. You should have been, the gay community should have been invited into society all along.

There's no reason it was out grouped, I mean. The reasons are silly that it was, that it was out grouped, but in that, you know, you find the, the way you build it yourself and you're able to kind of make it what you want. Yeah. And like, it's, it's, it's [00:43:00] hard. It, it's almost more, I mean, it is more work in the straight community to go outside of the template and outside of the mold and then find a place to be like, find a community for that too.

Yeah. You know, so like, so then you're in this mold. And it's jealousy is real and like we as a straight community haven't spent time wanting to be open enough, like to the extent that we've spent time getting over jealousy. And so then like it's hard to, like, if you don't sleep with your friends, if you sleep with your friends, it seems easier to be friends with them later.

If you don't sleep with your friends, then the only people you slept with are the ones you were with. Yeah. And in love with or whatever to whatever degree. And the jealousy is just a very real thing. It's like you, I don't, I don't think you can just like negate that. You could spend time working on it.

You could get past it, of course, but like, it's just, I, I don't think it's like a real uphill battle for the straight community to just like, I, I mean, I was friends with plenty of exes for a long time and now like life has kinda just taken it to where like, I just don't Sure. Sure. Talk them. Yeah. I'm not saying you have to 

Tom: be best friends, but jealousy is just such a.

Low vibrational emotional place to live. Like, anytime you can [00:44:00] rise above that, I think is a good thing. 

Jonathan: Sure. Yeah. Sure. Um, yeah, sure. 

Tom: You know what it's time for? I 

Jonathan: do. Yeah. 

Tom: Who would you fight? Who would you fight? Pow, pow. All right. You go first. 

Jonathan: Okay. Mine's quick and easy. I'm gonna get outta the way real quick.

I would fight everyone at the DMV. Everyone. I don't care. I don't care if you, customers, employee. Don't. Everyone, everyone, I'm just gonna, just gonna, I'll stand in one place and have everyone walk by and just fight. I just, I'll just fight everyone, everyone, everyone, everyone. Everyone. 

Tom: Good? That's, that's original.

That's good. Mine's probably not much better. Um, I would fight. I, I am in the, in riding the subway in New York City. Um, I believe that there is a logic to how you navigate the subway car, and I'm gonna fight everyone that doesn't know how to use that logic. 

Jonathan: Is this just as basic as getting on and off, or are you talking about No.

You wanna give us more details? I'm 

Tom: talking about, um, first of all, it's different when it's busy and it's not busy when, so let's start first when it's not busy and there are [00:45:00] seats available. 

Jonathan: Mm-hmm. 

Tom: When there are seats available, and I feel like maybe men maybe will understand this more than women because of urinals.

When there are seats available in people in some seats and not others, there is a natural, you could show me right now a picture of a subway car with some people sitting in open seats, and I would immediately be able to tell you where the first Sure. Where you should sit first. Yeah. And then where you sit second.

Yeah. There's just a natural if you, if you are a human being that other. Bothers to other stand, other human beings and physical space. There's just an obvious place to where to sit and it drives me crazy when people don't know how to do that. Um. The other thing is when it is busy, there's a thing that happens in New York, which is everybody wants to stay by the doors.

Mm-hmm. So when they get in, they, they, they get in barely enough to grab a pole and they don't move in. No one wants to move in, and every time it's packed, if you look into the center of the car, there's ample space, there's all this room. And I just feel like if we could all be. Better people. And just like, if you step in, step in as far as you can, go to the middle.

Sure. Get some space and let other [00:46:00] people fit. We're all trying to make a buck. We're all trying to live our lives. There's, you don't, don't wanna 

Jonathan: start, you don't wanna start by just like suggesting that you just wanna go ahead and fight 'em. 

Tom: Oh, I do. I, I walk in and I'm like, all right, I'm moving to the middle if no one else wants to, like, I make a thing out of it and I just, shame, shame people 'cause it's just stupid.

There's just no reason. We can all be happier. If we work together. Sure, sure. 

Jonathan: Yeah. Spread the word. Spread the word in that tone. I bet that tone really, I bet on the way to work and the way home from work in the morning. That tone really gets people moving. Am I? It gets everyone on your side. 

Tom: Am I being a woke old man again?

Jonathan: No, I don't think you'd be that woke about this one. 

Tom: Alright, well why don't you read us out. You're right. I really 

Jonathan: appreciate you giving us the original complaint of subway cars in New York. That was thank. Thank you. Thank you. A hot take. Hot take. Keep afraid. 

Tom: Keep it. Shut up. Shut up, shut up. And read us out.

Jonathan: Oh man. I gotta do it. Okay. Yep. Yep. Thanks for listening. If you enjoyed this episode, make sure to like and subscribe to No Homo with Jonathan Tom on all PO [00:47:00] podcast platforms and YouTube, EH, graphics and Music by Matt Ladner. And an exclusive thanks to Jen Dornbach and Quan Williams. The opinions expressed on this podcast are solely those of the host and are intended for entertainment purposes only.

Tom: That was, that was like a B minus. Why don't you just fucking 

Jonathan: not ant me in the middle of it? Why don't you just let me get through it? 

Tom: Love you. Alright. I love you. Bye.