The Outsides Are Good Bro

After recounting their wildly different Labor Day adventures, Jonathan and Tom get deep into a no-holds-barred confession of their most embarrassing childhood traumas. One was the fat kid. The other was an angry, emotional mess. Can you guess who’s who? Listen now to find out.

Transcript

Tom: [00:00:00] Go home game. 

Jonathan: What's 

Tom: up? What's up? We did it. We did it. Here we go again. Welcome to the No Homo podcast with Jonathan and Tom. I'm Jonathan. Jonathan, I'm Tom. What's up, 

Jonathan: bro? How you 

Tom: doing? 

Jonathan: Oh man. I think that you can tell exactly how I'm doing. Thanks for picking that up. I feel like you're doing exactly the same, and so I really appreciate you picking up the, the whatever that, whatever that was.

Tom: That's all I could do today on Monday. Monday, September 1st as we record our 11th podcast. There you go. See, you're on it, man. I'm, I'm trying. I'm impressed. All 

Jonathan: right. I'll pick up my game here. I can do it. I can do it. I mean, 

Tom: your look game is on point though. Like, bro, woof, like, what is this like. Trucker Daddy porn.

Yeah. Oh, really? Rough trade. Like why does it 

Jonathan: have to be, what? What is the, why does pornography [00:01:00] have to come into it? What is it? It, because 

Tom: the arms, the mustache. Okay. The eyelashes. I'm sorry. It's just, it, it's fine. I mean, I, I, yeah. It. They it is. I didn't, it is what it is. I didn't make the rules. 

Jonathan: Uh, well, um, everything that I'm wearing is strategically placed for, uh, later in the episode.

Um, oh, okay. So it's, it's all, it's all merch of some kind or another. It's all swag. Wow. It's, I I can't wait. I can't wait. It's just well placed. It's not, I'm not hawking things, I'm just excited to talk about things. Um, but yeah, it's Labor Day, um, and it's. I know we got a lot to get into. A lot to get 

Tom: into and we have over 2,600 downloads.

Yeah. Of podcast down. 

Jonathan: Yeah. So that's exciting. Um, super exciting. And I think that there's plenty of views on YouTube too. I tried to figure out how to look at the analytics there and I'm not good at it. And then I tried to do the math and I'm also not good at that. So like. If there's a bunch Yeah, there's some thousands.

Yeah. Yeah. Millions. So, millions. Millions. Um, [00:02:00] 

Tom: so I, we've had some messages of people that are sad that, 

Jonathan: and just like, yeah, it's dms that they go to you. I, I'm scared to complain about this because I don't want to, I don't want an overcorrection. But you are far and away the more, um. Uh, what would it be? Uh, I don't wanna be overly deprecating here, self-deprecating, but like you get a lot more contact than I do.

Like I do like bye. 

Tom: What are you talking about? You have thousands of followers. Uhhuh, 

Jonathan: I have hundred hundreds of thousands of followers. And you still get more dms than I do? Well, I'm maybe do like, maybe it, '

Tom: cause I'm new. I'm the new girl. 

Jonathan: Maybe that's what it is. I'm middle school. Sure. Well, I mean, I think that you deserve all of those dms.

I think people are are right in. But you just, I don't know, man. Um, I mean, I love to see it. Uh, I'm jealous. I'm jealous, but I love to see it, but I don't want an overcorrection here. Uh, gentlemen, ladies and gentlemen, write your senators. 

Tom: Write your house reps, get Jonathan some fan mail, 

Jonathan: but what do people say?

So, [00:03:00] so my, uh, my jealous. Jealousy aside. What are people saying? Uh, they're gonna miss the segment. They're gonna 

Tom: Yeah, they're gonna miss our end. Just like that. Recaps. Yeah. They enjoyed them. But now there's all this, uh, one of the writers from it, just like that, was interviewed by some news outlet and said, well, Carrie's not dead, so she could technically come back.

So, with any hope, 

Jonathan: oh, with 

Tom: one can only hope one can 

Jonathan: only 

Tom: hope. Well, listen, you know the, there's been some good news in our world lately. Yeah. I wanna start by congratulating my girl Taylor. Yes. My boy Travis. Yes. On their engagement. Yes, if, if you are not, if, if you are not happy about this, I just feel so bad for you.

I don't know what is possibly wrong with your soul if you can't take joy from these two really good people who put a lot of good into the world. And 

Jonathan: I think that you're the one too that said it, that like, like a long time ago, like back when they were dating, it's like, how is this not America's couple?

It's literally, literally, it's literally. It's, it is, 

Tom: unless you have a stone as a heart. Sure. And then maybe it's not your couple. 'cause you're, well 

Jonathan: it, it [00:04:00] also then it, it's not if you, if you are a Syco fans and a follower and, you know, 'cause she's been vocal enough to piss off Donald Trump and his thin skin, and so then he goes talking some bullshit about her.

And then if you're a, if you're a SCA fans and a follower and AOC cult member there, then I think you just kind of like latch on. But that's not far from a stone heart and a straw for brain. Yeah. Um, you know, so otherwise it's America's couple, it's, yeah. The football star and the cheerleader, or I guess not the cheerleader, right?

It's the girl in the bleachers, which is kind of better anyway, right? Yeah, yeah. Yeah. 

Tom: I gasped when I read the news. 

Jonathan: Oh 

Tom: yeah. I think I, 

Jonathan: I believe I, I cried like, not like a lot, a lot, but like I cried. I was so excited. Oh, wow. You were my first text. You were my right away when I saw it, and I knew I would not be your first, yeah.

I would not be the first one to tell you the news, but I just wanted to be on record as like getting your feedback right away, getting your thoughts and feelings right away. Yeah. 

Tom: Yeah. Apparently he did it right after they filmed. The New Heights podcast, they like Oh, really? Immediately went into the backyard and it was all set up.

Jonathan: So his dad is saying they've been engaged for a while. Like, oh, maybe I have wrong information. Yeah, I don't know. Like that it's been like [00:05:00] they would just had to hold onto it for a while, which I, I'm fine with that too. Like if they needed to like keep that, you know, unask. Yeah, 

Tom: yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, I had kind of assumed that might be the case and then something I read made me think otherwise.

Oh yeah. You know, I mean, it's no homo, so Yeah, that's exactly here to give. True. We're just here to give opinions. That might be 

Jonathan: true. Might not be. That's right. Google it. Strong opinions on, uh, weak research. I'm, I'm still trying to work on that tagline. I haven't gotten to credit right yet. Yeah. Work. 

Tom: Send that back.

Jonathan: Come 

Tom: back next week with that. 

Jonathan: I, my, my culture piece this week is I've been, uh, I'm way behind on this. Not way behind, I don't think, but I'm behind. I'm behind you. You introduced me. Uh, you, you mentioned this show, uh, overcompensating. Yep. And, uh, Benito Skinner is like, not only the show, first of all, I love and, uh, shout out to Josh Kovey, one of the producers of that show.

Um, he's a buddy who's doing some really cool work. Um, and so Josh, I'm also sorry that took me a minute to get to the show, but I am a fan. I'm in. I love it. I cried. Cried. Whoa. When, um. Well, I don't want to give too much away, but there's a time [00:06:00] when, um, he and his mom are talking and I was like, 'cause it's Tammy Taylor.

You know, it's like, it's like, and they're having like a real son, mother moment. And like, anytime you get to watch Tammy Taylor have a mother, a matronly, like motherly moment for real. That's, that's like, that's America's mom. Like that's who, like, that's who you want to. Talk about things with, and so I just like really, um, yeah, I, I love it.

I love everything they're doing with it. I love, uh, I'm, I'm a big fan and so because of that, uh, Jen and I have kind of like rabbit holed some of Benito's stuff. Oh yeah. The hairstylist, 

Tom: please. Right. Yeah. Well, all 

Jonathan: this characters are hilarious. And also it's so wacky. Like it's, it's funny that the show, the show's a little wacky, like in a fun way, but it's not super wacky.

And then, yeah, I watch his stuff and his stuff is like. Yeah, super wacky, which, which I love. And I, uh, he does this one character that's like a, like, just like a bro who like always wants to cuddle. I don't know if he has a name, but he like, wants to backpack. I just wanna cuddle, like, I don't know, bro. And like, it's really funny.

But then this weekend, [00:07:00] which we'll get into later, I was with a bunch of like teenage, uh, like. Camp counselors, um, Uhhuh, we were at a summer camp. We did, we did. Oh yeah. Camp Woodstock. Shout out Camp Woodstock. Um, so we were doing the, the, the family weekend at the camp at Camp Woodstock and there are a bunch of like outdoorsy, you know, teenage young twenties guys and girls who kind of run the thing and they do a great job and whatever it was.

Only compliments to them, but also it made me realize that that character is spot on. He is, he is. He Benito is nailing those guys. Maybe nailing those guys too. I dunno. Um, I'm glad you guys 

Tom: got into 

Jonathan: it. I 

Tom: thought 

Jonathan: Jen had started watching it 

Tom: without you. 

Jonathan: She did. Yeah, she did. And um, then she. She, uh, has she been 

Tom: forgiven for that or, 

Jonathan: yeah.

Well, she's had to watch it all again with me. Okay. Yeah. She, she's been, she chose, she volunteered to watch it all again with me. 'cause once I started I thought, well, this is, I said, this is really good. I'm going to watch, this is going to be a show that we watch now. Yeah. Sorry. You've seen it, but that's your fault.

So, but she's enjoying watching it again too. Yeah. 

Tom: Good. I'm glad you guys like it. Yeah, [00:08:00] it's pretty good. I like it too. 

Jonathan: Um, yeah. What about, I mean, I, what about what's going on with you? I, I, I, I. Teased, uh, camp Woodstock out there about this weekend, but yeah, it's, it's kind of like the end of summer labor.

End of summer. Yeah. I got that. The 

Tom: weather changing blues. Yeah. Um, I had, I, I, okay, so last, not this past week, the week before I was getting major fomo 'cause I was not going to Burning Man this year and it was hitting me hard. Uh, that like the week leading up to it, all the posts are coming in, the videos and then the weather videos started coming.

Yeah. And then like the, the huge dust storm. And then there was like 90 minutes of rain on the opening Sunday that stalled the gate for eight hours and then a couple days later there was an overnight storm. And I have to be honest, once, once those videos started coming, like the FOMO went to Jomo really, really easily.

Yeah. And I was really glad to not be there because you were there 

Jonathan: for the rain. You were like for the rain, right? Was there for 

Tom: mud burn. Yeah. And so I was glad to not experience that again, especially after like dealing with like the humidity and the [00:09:00] rain at honcho. I was glad to not, you know, be there.

Um, and then it allowed me later in the week they had really good, uh, weather. And so the, the videos that were coming out of all the parties looked really great and then I was able to feel true joy for my friends that were there and not, uh. Shot in fraud. I always never know how to say that one. Yeah, I think you, I think I got it.

Yeah. I was just happy to be happy for them that they were getting some fun out of what had been probably a rough start. And then there's the woman that had the baby that didn't show No. Didn't know she was pregnant. Dude, 

Jonathan: no one knew she was pregnant. She didn't know she was pregnant. She just had a baby.

It's a thing. Yeah, it's a thing. Crazy man. There, there's like. The, the hullabalu of Burning Man this year. I forgot to put it in the notes. This is what I wanted to talk about. Yeah. It's, there is some hullabaloo from Burning Man this year. Yeah, yeah. The, the woman who nobody knew was pregnant and had a baby.

Yep. The orgy. The orgy dome collapsed. No. In the storm. Blew. Blew away. Yeah. And there's a, a dead guy. There 

Tom: was a murder. Murder found. There's like a, a murder. There's a murder at Burning Man. Someone in the comments on Instagram said they should make a monk episode out of this. Is that still a show? [00:10:00] Uh, maybe.

I don't know. 

Jonathan: I just like. It. The somebody, I think it was the cut. I don't remember. I so look it up. Do your research. Find an article I'm Burning Man. It was, uh, but they were, they, they were calling it like, it's it's biblical Burning man. Like it is like of Yeah. Of an epic kind of scale. Yeah. And, and I don't know.

There's other things going on in our government right now and there's things happening that I'm like, are we, are we end of timesing? Are we, I don't mean to be a tinfoil hatter, but are we, are we end of Timesing? 

Tom: I don't know, 

Jonathan: is Burning Man? 

Tom: I don't know. I hope it's still there next year though. 'cause you better believe I'm going back even after Biblical Burning Man.

It'll be great. Next year will be great. Um, so yeah, so I, I have some end of summer blues, but we just finished up a really fun weekend. Uh, my, one of my best friends, Sharky was in town from London. It was his birthday, so Oh, happy birthday. Sharky. Yeah, we, he was a lot of fun. He's a lot of fun. We had a really good time.

We went out a bunch. Um. Painted the town red and, uh, paying for it a little bit today, but, um, but you know, it feels good. And, um, [00:11:00] yeah. Any, any parties or bars you need to shout out? Anything? Uh, we, we probably had the best time at basement on Saturday night. Nice. It was really, it was a really good time. We nice.

We definitely saw the sunrise. Um, excellent. So yeah, we, we did it and it felt good. Uh, 

Jonathan: good. Yeah. I mean, yet again, we had like. Almost the same weekend I was at family camp, at Camp Woodstock. Tell me some of the 

Tom: things 

Jonathan: you did and I'll tell you if 

Tom: I 

Jonathan: did them. Um, uh, well, first of all, happy birthday Sharky.

I hate that I didn't get to see you this time around. Um. But shark sharky is, uh, so much fun at parties because like, you know, we've talked about, I, I, I feel like I feel invited into those spaces now, and I feel accepted into those spaces. But I don't like, know the party scene. I don't know all the venues.

I don't know all the people. And Sharky can come in and he, even if he doesn't know the venue, he will figure it out in a flash. Mm-hmm. And he will know. And like the, like the. The kind of grown man things that you need to know, like what's the best way to get to the bathroom? Where's the shortest [00:12:00] bar line?

Like where like, yeah. The things that are good to know so you're not just part of the riff-raff. Yeah. Getting stuck in the, in the crowds. You know, Sharky's a Sharky's a good friend to have at a party for sure. Yeah, 

Tom: totally. 

Jonathan: Yeah. Um. So, yeah, I was not partying this weekend. I was at Camp Woodstock, uh, which was a blast.

So my, my wife Jen, she grew up going to this camp. It's like a summer camp. It's a sleepaway camp, and she went like from a little kid. And then when she was older, she became a counselor and then she was like program director one year. And so she has like a tight knit group of friends from that time in her life.

And they all live, uh, further away from us, like kind of in the Boston area. And she never really, we never really get to see those friends except for this is our second year now going to family camp, which is where anybody who's come to camp before you can, the whole family can come and kind of a, you know, it's kinda like get a camp experience for two days.

Tom: They have enough space 

Jonathan: for that. I mean, not everyone does it. Oh yeah. So it's like, it's kind of a small ITish thing. It's like not. It's not overly crowded by any means. Like we, our family, the four of us have a full cabin to ourselves, like a full bunk cabin. So there's probably, um, uh, doing quick math, I dunno, 10 bunks of 20 beds [00:13:00] in this room.

And we just like, it's the four of us. So that it's, that that many people are, who's there. Like there's, there's space for the families that come. Um. But it's really fun. It it, and it really is. I just lean into it and have a good time. It's like we, uh, the kids and I and, and Jen, we did archery. We did some BB gun shooting.

We did some tie ding and some arts and crafts. There's like a climbing wall. We went family, we took a family canoe trip. The four of us just canoe around the lake for a while. 

Tom: Wow. 

Jonathan: Um, yeah. I, I will say this, like it's gone now even though I'm in, in the tank, but like the canoe pump from like canoeing, a family of four around is like, I was swollen coming outta that whoa canoe.

It was like, I feel good. Like I could never row crew. I'm too short and fat to row crew. But like, canoeing was like, I felt, I felt, I felt strong. I felt good. Um, but anyway, uh, and I also bought, I didn't wear the rest of it, but I bought. Every piece of merchandise they had in the, uh, trading post in the, in the store there.

Amazing. Did they have, uh, late night [00:14:00] raves for you guys? Uh, nope. Nope. No. We, uh, we sit around the fire Uhhuh and we drink some beers and we grill some meat over, over an open flame, which is a lot of fun. And, you know, they, I hear camp stories from days of your, and, uh, you know what, what was the hot dad question?

Uh, well, here's the thing, and I'll say this. Shout out to camp dads. Camp dads are good dads and pretty hot dads. Like you're talking about guys who, most of the, there's a few dads who married in. A lot of the men there are, are the same as Jen, like they were campers or counselors, and they're coming back there and so they're like outdoorsy types.

They're also the kind of people who want to bring their family to family weekend at camp, so they're like, yeah. Like spending time with their family. I feel like it's a good filter to get like, 

Tom: yeah, not, 

Jonathan: not for nothing. Pretty high quotient of hot dads like, wow, okay, I'm coming next 

Tom: year. Yeah, 

Jonathan: yeah. Come.

Tom: Yeah. Cool. It'll be fun. I'll, I'll bring the rave 

Jonathan: and, yes, actually that would be amazing. There is a, there is a families versus staff soccer game. Uh, and this is second year in a row. Family's crushed it. We're two and oh right now against the staff, against a bunch of young bucks. And I, [00:15:00] I, two years in a row, I go out there to play soccer and I'm like.

I'm, I'm out here because Caleb wants to play and he's pretty little compared to everyone that's out here. So I'm gonna be here to like, you know, just help. I'm just gonna be here to help him. And it takes like three minutes and some little like 17-year-old kid with 18 abs to like do something fancy and then I'm like, fuck it.

I'm going in and like, just like, but it's not like I have the athleticism that I used to have, so I'm just kind of like falling forward for, for the whole time. But it's, I, you know, it's fun. I, um, I, you know, probably I probably need to. Lock into the 85% of that a little bit more. Yeah. Like there's a, you know, like a 43-year-old man does not need to be going a hundred percent out there against a bunch of, uh, 15 kids, um, play soccer.

But we came away with a win. So I feel good about that. So good man. I'm happy you had a good weekend. Thanks. Um, the, the other thing, because I'm wearing all merch, I'm wearing my shirt, I'm wearing some of my merch because I'm so excited. Teespring finally paid me. It's been, whoa. Yeah. I think that they like reorg.

I think that they, 'cause they've gone. [00:16:00] Amaze is like the company, the parent company, amaze, I don't know, amaze, whatever. Amaze Marketplace owns Teespring or Spring or whatever. Um, and they've gone public and I think that somebody, something must have changed because they, somebody was finally like, we gotta fix this.

Everyone's mad at us. Yeah. So I, every day I've been, they, they put up a post and I comment and I just comment, pay your creators. Pay your creators. Pay your creators. I dmd the other day and was like, when are you gonna pay your creators? And somebody answered and I was like, uh oh, there's a person here.

And then less than 24 hours later I had gotten paid. So. So 

Tom: what about your peeps that bought t-shirts? Do they 

Jonathan: Yeah. So I mean, hopefully for everyone else out there, that means they're going out. 'cause I, what, what, uh, and I, I'm still like getting the. The, I guess, paperwork, whatever for it. Like it all, all it was right now was like a payment and I still have to like, I'm still trying to gather information.

Yeah, so some of those were refunded. So some people, if, if you've gotten a refund, you're obviously not getting a shirt. If you have not gotten a refund, it's shirts are going out. I've been, I've more people. More people have said they've gotten shirts. So that's, I mean, from the original. Um, so [00:17:00] now you know, if you want a shirt, we're on Printful, we're on Shopify.

It's a different thing now, but that original OG group that ordered in the very back in February and has still been sticking with it, I get holler at me. If you have or have not gotten what you ordered, let me know because I think things are moving again now. Like I finally got the very first stickers that we created and ordered.

I like just this week. It's not like there's any reference of anything that's, there's no reference that it's been six months, just like fulfillment. Here's your package. And it was just a package of stickers. So looks like things are going out, so keep an eye out. Amazing. Lemme know. Yeah. I'm happy with you.

Thanks, man. 

Tom: You know what else I'm happy about? 

Jonathan: What's that? 

Tom: Trump is either dead or on death doorstep. Yeah. Yeah, dude, it's happening. 

Jonathan: It is. It's so, it's funny. Well, it's, it's funny but it it is funny. Yeah. Yeah. 

Tom: It's hysterical. 

Jonathan: I, I love the, I love the pushback to like, you know, have some decorum, have some, uh, whatever.

Oh, no, no. Fuck 

Tom: off, dude. No, it's gonna be a celebration. I was hoping it would happen [00:18:00] this weekend and like justify my hedonism over the weekend, but I'm still celebrating knowing it was coming. I mean, it's just coming. There's just, it's in the air. The, the rumors are real. Um, I'm, I'm scared about what happens next.

Jonathan: Yeah. 

Tom: But I do think that he was the center of gravity for that coalition. 

Jonathan: Yeah. 

Tom: And, uh, has a charisma that JD Vance wishes he had in one pinky. Yeah. So, um, I I, I'm scared about what will happen. JD Vance is certainly, um, more capable and smarter. Yeah. And that's scary. But, um, I'm hoping that that will be the.

Breaking of the dam and hopefully this nightmare that has, uh, yeah, overtaken half of our idiotic population. Hypnosis 

Jonathan: has been going on, like, hopefully because it's insane. It's insane and it's, it's like, it's so many things. I feel like I, as we get into this, I've got a weird light coming from outside of my face, but I'm gonna.

Be biblical about this. Um, it's, it's like all of the things that are happening to me feel like things that, uh, conservatives and right wing, uh, folk also [00:19:00] rail against, like overuse of the military, overreach of the government. Like there's so much stuff going on, just new fucking investing in, in Intel.

Like we like. What, what is hap How is everyone just like, just like throwing out, even if I agreed or disagreed with you before, I, you, I, you stood for something. You had something, and I even if I was, even if I thought you were wrong, you held that thing and now you don't get, you're just like. Cing yourself to all of it.

Like, I don't, I just don't understand what these people are doing. 

Tom: Yeah. I mean, they voted on vibes. They didn't vote on policy, really, I think, uh, is the problem. I, I also wanna talk about, uh, you know, once again, there's been another, uh, mass shooting Sure. Involving children. Yeah. Uh, the Minneapolis shooting is just terrible.

Um, I found it ironic that it. I mean, I hate to even say this about kids dying, but that it took, it happened while kids were literally praying. Yeah. And like thoughts and prayers has always been such a bullshit. 

Jonathan: Yeah. 

Tom: Uh, thing. And, uh, there's just no, there's no excuse for it. Uh, you know, the, the stats are there for countries that enact stronger gun legislation.

Um, there, there [00:20:00] are, there's an easy, obvious way around. 

Jonathan: Yeah. We're, 

Tom: we're never gonna stop. Obviously I hear the, I, I, I understand the commentary that it's, um, mental illness and that, and. Driving people to do this. Okay, great. Is the real problem. So that's 

Jonathan: fundamental illness. Let's put more money into the business also, let's take, let's 

Tom: make it harder for those people to get guns.

Yep. And like, let's do all the things. Yep. Um, but it, there's just no excuse. And, um, I don't know. It, it took me back to Sandy Hook and, um, I remember like falling to my knees when the Sandy Hook news was coming in. It was like just a couple weeks before Christmas. And it was just devastating. And, um, I, I, I.

M probably to my detriment, did a lot of reading into the details of Sandy Hook as they came out and descriptions about what the cops found. And part of me thinks we should be putting out those pictures of what those rooms look like after a shooting. Mm-hmm. That's what should be out there, that, that maybe that would actually move the needle on some of this.

And I know it would be hard to watch, but. Yeah. School shooting is hard and we should face it. We shouldn't hide from it. Yeah. [00:21:00] Um, and so yeah, I just, uh, I just want to, you know, send prayers to the family and Yeah. Um, families, and it's just a terrible, terrible thing. 

Jonathan: Yeah. Awful. 

Tom: I don't know how you send your kids back to school as a parent.

There's 

Jonathan: so much, there's so much of like, just having to consciously ignore the fear of things. Yeah. You know, like, I mean that just that there's, it's all the time. Yeah. And that is a huge one. Like the fact that the fact that. Uh, I mean now, now there are like adult shooting situations where people are better equipped because they know what the fuck to do because they've been training for active shooter drills since they were in elementary school.

Like, yeah, my son, my, I mean, uh, it, he doesn't know the difference. I mean, he understands. What to do different between a fire drill and a, um, a lockdown. But he's terrified by both. And he doesn't, you know, like yeah. He doesn't know. This is for a, someone coming into your school to shoot, but he just, every time he talks about it, it's like a scary thing to have to learn to do.

Yeah. And they do it all the fucking time to be ready for it. Yeah. It's, it's such a fucking insane thing to need to be ready for. 

Tom: Yeah. Ugh. [00:22:00] Well, I'm sorry for parents out there sending their kids back to school. I'm sure it's not easy. Yeah, yeah. Um, yeah, I, one last piece of bad news in our world. Uh, I mean there's a lot, we're just talking about some of it today, but, uh, the events at the CDC the past week, uh, are pretty terrifying.

Yeah. The mask quitting, the firing of the director, uh, Susan Monez, um, scientists are calling it a five alarm. Fire. Um, we will not be prepared for the next pandemic when it comes. Um, research is stopping. Funding is stopping for 

Jonathan: like research. What the fuck? What, what is it? Like what, what, what the fuck? I don't, yeah, 

Tom: it's, it's, uh, I wish 

Jonathan: I had more like it's specific questions to ask, but it's just like, what I don't understand, I don't understand.

I don't any side of it. I don't understand why I don't understand the choices being made at all. Like, it's not like I disagree, like you're gonna take money and you're gonna put it somewhere else. And I disagree with you, but I see what's happening with that. Like, I can see the, the cha I, I, I don't understand what's happening.

I don't understand at all, even if I were to disagree with it. I don't understand what the moves [00:23:00] are. 

Tom: Yeah. Yeah. It's, it's, I don't know, man. I don't have answers. I'm just sad. 

Jonathan: Yeah, yeah, yeah. We, um, uh, I don't know. Um, I, I didn't even add onto here 'cause I, I just wanted to stick 'cause those are some big ones and that's like, there's so much going on and I, I, I don't know.

I read about these things and I, I'm with you and you've inspired me to stay even more locked in and like more connected to these things going on. But then like those, these stories come up and it's like I don't even know what to, like, what literally, what do we. Dude. Yeah. Yeah. What do we do now? Like the scientists are quitting, they're walking away from the jobs, so it's gonna get worse.

And I, I don't even fault them for that. They fought it out this long. Yeah. Being, being villainized, you know, all 

Tom: of the, I don't know. It goes back to one of our early conversations about like, how connected people are to the news or not and, and you know, the choice I think some people make to disconnect from the news 'cause it's too much and life is too hard and it's.

Better to live in your bubble. And you know my feelings on that. 

Jonathan: Yeah. 

Tom: Um, and I, but I get it. It's a lot and it's a lot to take in and it's probably debilitating to some people more than others, but, well, it's like 

Jonathan: a full-time job now too. Yeah. 

Tom: Like, it's not even 

Jonathan: like, it's not even like, I can't take any [00:24:00] of it.

It's like I can't fucking keep up with it. There is devastating news all the time. Like it's, yeah. It's, and, and these people are, life is hard. Life is existence is hard. There are going to be, there is devastating news all the time no matter what. But these are people actively fucking with the system that protects people.

Yeah. And that's what I'm confused by. Like, I, I don't, well, the ignorant 

Tom: politician is an easy, uh, ignorant, uh, population is an easily controlled population, so 

Jonathan: yeah. 

Tom: To me it's a bulwark against that and staying informed and, and then being able to talk about it with people and forcing your family to talk about things that when they don't want to or your friends or calling people out.

I mean, I don't know. 

Jonathan: Do you, do you, um, I don't remember. Do you listen to the podcast? Um, maintenance phase? Um, it's one of Jen's, um, uh, and I'm. Zero research. Uh, so I don't have the names in front of me, but the, the podcast is maintenance phase and they, it's all about like health stuff and they kind of like debunk whatever health trends, but also like, uh, health scares, you know, if it's, if [00:25:00] it's an autism scare or like they'll do like the, uh, I can't even think of good.

Uh, um. But they, they debunk a lot of stuff and they debunk a lot of like RFKJ kinda stuff. And so it's really good 'cause I'll go, like, I have, you know, some kind of out there, you know, relatives and friends who are just kind of like, get their information from the manosphere and so they've ended up on that side.

I don't think they're like, I don't think they're the stone hearted people that have, you know. That are sticking to that side, but they've just like been convinced of some dumb things. Yeah. And I don't always have the words for how to like, talk to them. And this podcast is one that I found that helps.

It's like good to, uh, maintenance phase. It's been a good podcast for me to be like, okay, these are talking points I can take with me when someone is like, oh, I've replaced, um, my vitamins with beef tallow, or whatever the fuck. Yeah. You know, it's like, well, here's okay. I can, now I can break down for you where that trend came from and why it's, why it's dangerous or why it's like not, you know, whether it ranges from.

Not effective. Too dangerous. Yeah. You know, um, 

Tom: like or what if we just rounded them all [00:26:00] up and put them in Wyoming and they couldn't drink their raw milk and not have vaccines, and we can fence them in. Sure. And they can live happily thereafter. That's my thought. 

Jonathan: Does it, does it feel like RFK Junior is just like, still a shitty bully from high school?

Like, he just like, he like fucked nerds is like anybody on the autism spectrum. Fuck you. Like, it's just like he's, he's just like. He worked his way to the top to be put in charge of the nerd, to be like, yeah, you're all, you all, fuck you all. I, I'm not gonna lie. Like, he's literally, literally saying like, it's not democratic to listen to scientists.

Like that's, that's not the way that a democracy should work is listening to experts. Like, yeah, it's, I think he's just a. Fucking jock, uh, prick bully, who's still in that, in that lane? Well, he wishes he was president. Um, are you ready to get vulnerable? Yeah, let's get vulnerable. 

Tom: Vulnerable, bros. What are we talking about today?

Jonathan: Let, well, last week, uh, you, uh, dropped in there that you, um, when you were, that you still feel like a fat kid. That you were a fat kid when you were younger and you still feel like a fat kid. And it made me think like, [00:27:00] well. Certainly for the two of us. And I think that, I know that it's true for pretty much everyone, the stories that we start telling ourselves early on stick, whether they should or not, you know?

And, um, we have had, we've had conversations where I, you know, we'll say something about you that you think is insane for me to say because you don't see it that way and vice versa, you know, like, and so I thought it'd be interesting, uh, to get into some childhood stuff. Yeah. And just like, you know. Talk about, talk about our, our childhood days.

Um, but you, because you kind started with that. How do you feel about, like, I, I don't know where did that, where did that come from? Like Okay, you were overweight. I, yeah, I 

Tom: mean, I was like a, I, I, I was, I like a little chunky, I guess. Uh, I didn't really realize it. I mean, I already told you they called me pork chop.

Yeah, that was like first grade on the bus. Older kids. I didn't really equate that. I think with being fat. But I remember specifically in third grade, we had to, um, draw, we had to make these posters where we had to draw a picture of ourself, and then there were like, um, on the side we had to write like my age, my [00:28:00] birthday, my height, my weight, and everybody hung them up in the hallway, like not in the hallway, like outside the classroom so the whole school could see them.

And so you're looking, I was standing there as a third grader looking at everybody else's and reading all the weights. 50 pounds, 55 pounds, 45 pounds, 60 pounds. And I was 80. And that was the first time. And like kids were commenting on it. And that was the first time that I was like, oh my God. Like I'm different.

Something's wrong with me. So I really internalized that. Um, and then, uh, I don't know, I was just always kind of shy. We lived in a neighborhood when we first, when I was first growing up, that didn't have a lot of kids, so I was not good at making friends. And, um, yeah, it just, uh, I I kind of, um, I think it like held me back a little bit, those feelings about myself.

Yeah. And, um. It, it wasn't like I, I remember we, I, we transferred to public school when I was in fourth grade. Yeah. And my sister hit the ground running. She was always very popular and made a lot of friends really quickly. And I really struggled. I was like the new kid in school. And, um, I didn't really make friends until I would [00:29:00] dressed up as, uh, Peewee Herman for Halloween.

'cause he was very popular at the time. So that, like, definitely cracked the ice for me a little bit. Nice. And, um, yeah, I, uh, I, I think I just held on to those. Feelings of just always being a fat kid. And you know, like I think people that struggle with their weight, my weight has fluctuated my whole life and I think I carry it pretty well.

And as I've got, yeah, yeah, as I've gotten older, I'm, you have like a daddy vibe thing going. I'm a bear. Yeah. So it works for my community, you know, I've, um, beefed up a little bit, so that helps balance it out. But, um, you know, I, I guess, uh, I still feel like a fat kid no matter what I do to change my body.

Jonathan: Yeah. That's what I think is so funny because, I mean. I, yeah, we can talk about the, the reality of it all day long. Like you, you're just like a thick dude. Like you're beefy, you're a, you're a bear, which is like great, you're not fat. 

Tom: Physically 

Jonathan: muscular. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You're physically muscular. Uh, um, excuse me.

Um, but those first stories that we get into are like the, that get in into our heads, like you're like. [00:30:00] Oh, I'm a fat kid and now that sticks and that just is gonna stick. You know? And like I remember I being told that I was not handling my emotions well, being told that I was too emotional, being told that I overreacted being told that I had a bad temper.

And I'm sure that I did. Like I was sure I was reacting. I, I think, and we talked about it early on, like I just had anxiety as a kid that. No one really knew. No one around me knew what to name that. And so I got told a lot that I have a temper and that just like started to stick and I was like, oh, I have a temper.

Okay, well that, so, okay, so now I'm just somebody who, who cannot control his emotions. And so I'm being told that over and over again, and then it becomes true. Then I'm like worried. All the time that I'm reacting incorrectly to something, I'm like always trying to calibrate, starting at a, a very young age, like trying to calibrate how I respond to something based on what other people are doing.

And if I ever like, am not doing that and it gets to be too much for me, and people respond to that, like, whoa, Jonathan, that's a lot. Then I'm like, [00:31:00] oh fuck, I'm doing it 'cause I don't, 'cause I actually don't. Okay. I've convinced myself now that I don't have control over my emotions. Like I was a big time crier.

I, it just like was. Anxious. I just had, I was like, there was a lot of tension inside me all the time. And so crying came super quick. Like, it just like, would, it would just overflow and explode. And that was like not, uh, the, the feedback I got from that is that it was wrong. It was a bad thing. It was embarrassing.

It was. It meant that I wasn't in control of myself. And so then that like compounded, so then I would get more upset that I was showing everyone I was upset. And like even in adulthood, really what happened? I mean, you know, I, and I, I think that it's, I, I know that it's fair to say that I've, I'm, I am angry plenty, like people we've talked about on here.

People my whole life have said I'm angry because a lot of those, a lot of those, uh, vulnerable spots where I was more scared. Uh, it just got calloused over. It got, there's just like defenses up all over the place and it just became a more [00:32:00] aggressive way to protect myself because of that, you know? Um, it's, now it's a thing like I'm dealing with in, in therapy.

I deal with it all the time, especially with having kids now. I'm so aw aware. And I'm, I'm, I'm definitely getting things wrong as a father, I'm trying, you know, I'm trying my best. There will be things I get wrong, but I'm so aware when I react, like Sydnee, my 4-year-old, she is emotional and she'll pop off.

She'll pop off like a psychopath and I cannot help. But then like match her energy, which is the exact wrong thing to do. Like, she's four. It's kind of okay if she pops up, like she should learn not to, but like. That's gonna happen. That's a, it's a smooth brand new brain. And then I meet that energy and I match her, which is like, doesn't help anything.

I just literally can't stop it because I haven't been like, this is something that Megan has helped me not judge myself for. But like that's when it started happening for me was like around four and five when I started being told this was wrong, started being told like all of this started. So it like really [00:33:00] is.

A legitimate trigger back to this exact moment. I'm like being taken back to the very first time that I also was dealing with these things. And I'm reacting as if it's the first time I'm dealing with these things, which is like the best I can do right now. Um, with Sydney is, um, rupture and repair is the phrase that, you know, we use, uh, in therapy a lot.

Like it's gonna go wrong. Things are, I'm gonna, this is gonna happen. And then it's the, the next moment of taking a moment and saying, Hey, hey, what you're feeling is not wrong. Like, we're gonna work on how we react to this. You and I are both gonna work on this because Dad also doesn't do a good job with this.

So we're gonna, let's work together on how to help ourselves feel better and how to, you know, we've talked about how to take a moment before we react and have a little split second between. An input and a reaction, but I, I really try to go out of my way to make sure she knows that it's like not something wrong with her, because I'm sure that my parents and teachers did not intend for me to take it as though there's something intrinsically wrong with me, that I'm built incorrectly.

But the fact of the matter is, [00:34:00] the way that it came out was I was built. Incorrectly that my insides were not calibrated right. And that my emotions were not calibrated. Right. And I'm, yeah. The outsides though. Ooh, outsides are 

Tom: good, 

Jonathan: bro. Thanks. Well, the outsides took some work, you know, I mean, I, I, uh, it, it all, it all took work.

It all, even the, the, the, the becoming an extrovert and learning to be charming and, you know, yeah. But then later getting some muscles, all of that was a response to. Okay, I gotta figure out how to be a person because I'm not, I'm not internally built like a regular person, so let's just figure out how to do this.

And then, yeah, the anxiety of being, you know, bullied when I was a kid. I, I like, it's funny you say you didn't have, uh, friends in your neighborhood. The, my neighborhood was the cool kids of elementary school and middle school. Uh, it was the cool group and so that's who I hung out with. I was absolutely not in with them.

I was the. I was the whipping boy. I got picked on the whole time and like I've, as an adult, I've, I've realized like, man, if I could have [00:35:00] just like acknowledged I was like a nerd, that I was more of a nerd and I, and hung out with the nerds, like yeah, I had good friends that were nerds, but in my mind, in.

Fourth grade, I was like, I'm not gonna hang out with those guys. I'm gonna hang out with the cool guys. I'm gonna get shit on over here with the cool guys. You know, like, yeah, I, and I try not to judge myself for that, but at the time it was like I wanted to, I couldn't, I couldn't let go of that thing and they were in my neighborhood.

But it was, it was miserable. And that helped my, that built my anxiety even higher. I was like getting picked on by the people I wanted to hang out with and couldn't stop wanting to hang out with him. And. I remember even my mom, like she was aware of this, but she kind of like would yell at me about it.

She, she would like, make me feel. Dumb for wanting to hang out with these guys. And so then I was like, well, fuck you. Like, you just don't get, like, I'm like, I'm, I'm not gonna listen to you. You're making me feel dumb. I don't want to feel dumb. I'm gonna keep doing what I'm doing. Yeah. Which, you know, again, like I think she was probably just upset and protective of me seeing that I was being treated poorly.

Sure. And then just like the, the way that it translated in my head was like, [00:36:00] oh, you think I'm dumb 'cause I can't see things. Well, you just don't understand then. And I'm gonna put up defenses and I'm gonna keep hanging out with people that are mean to me. 

Tom: Yeah. Yeah. Oh man. I'm sorry. 

Jonathan: Eh, well, it gave me some muscles eventually.

You know. It did. It did. It did. I think it worked out for us. Thanks. Thank 

Tom: for all of us. Thank God for that. Yeah, I, uh, I remember I've, like, it took me a while to get my footing, like, uh, with being a fat kid and then moving from school to school and, um, I didn't, I had a hard time like finding friends and, and, and finding my group.

And there was a brief moment in fifth grade where like I was in with the cool kids and then got dropped, like a hot potato. I still don't really even know why, but there was like a day we were all supposed to go to the mall together and I was waiting for. The mom who was driving to pick me up and I saw the car go by my house and I was like, what is going on?

And then they called me from a payphone, the kids and told me that I wasn't their friend anymore. Ugh. It was one of the worst days of my life. Ugh. And uh, yeah, yeah, yeah. It still hurts to think about it. And then I kind of just like retreated, um, and, and kind of [00:37:00] like you, but when I went to middle schools, they started to divide us up by avail ability.

So you were only in class? I was only in classes with the smart kids. Mm-hmm. And so all the popular kids were in classes like. Four levels down for me. So like I didn't even have to deal with them. Yeah. Um, and so that became a little easier. And um, and then I got into theater and so when I got to high school, I had all these older friends.

'cause I was doing theater with, you know, seniors. Yeah. Yeah. And, um. I don't know. I just like, I think as I started to figure out who I was, um, I, I always like, I always did a good job of making connections with people. So like, I remember like in study hall, uh, I'd study hall, like in the library for one period, and I got set at a table with two girls that were older than me that I thought of as mean girls.

Watching them at school. They weren't my friends, and you could tell they were like not happy that I was sitting with them. By the end of the year, I went to the prom with one of them. So like everybody, everybody that I had to interact with, I became friends with. And so over time I ended up making friends, like in [00:38:00] every group in school.

Um, and so like by the, by the time I was a senior in high school, I was class president. Um, but it took me a long time to like, yeah, figure that out. 

Jonathan: Well, I think that's part like. And it, frankly, it goes back to things we've talked about plenty, which is like, not that I wish hard times on young people, but the work is what gets you there.

Yeah. Like it takes, it takes hardships to grow. Like you had to learn the skills to make friends and to meet new people. And same for me. I had to learn, I had to learn those. And the same, getting into theater was like a big part of that. Helping that and like meeting these older people who were like-minded, who were doing these fun things, who accepted me, you know?

Uh, doing theater in elementary school was tough. Like I was doing community theater shows. I think I might've, I don't remember, but like I did, we talk about the ballet class that I ended up, I was, I, I dropped out of a ballet class 'cause I was signed up to take I to take a ballet class one summer, but it meant I was not gonna be able to play baseball.

And I was okay with that, with the fact of that until. Word got back to school that that's what was happening. And then all the [00:39:00] guys were like, you're not gonna play baseball because you're taking a ballet class. And I just flat out was like, no, that's what, where did you hear that? That's, that's insane.

Tom: Wow. And then 

Jonathan: went home and I was like, I can't take that ballet class. I have to play baseball. And, you know, I might've been an actual triple threat if I started taking ballet then, but I, yeah, I didn't, you know, should we go take 

Tom: a ballet class together? 

Jonathan: Absolutely. We should. That should be right. That wrong?

Yeah. Let's do it. Let's, that'll be our, uh, the next IRL. Let's go take a ballet class together. Um. Yeah, I, you make a good point about like getting older and then it kind of like when you're, when the groups kind of split up and they start in middle school, they kind of start separating you because in elementary school it's all the same kids.

Yeah. And like they know that you do theater and they know that you're, do whatever, and they know that you're, uh, you make good grades, but you're still with them all at the same people. And so then they just get to shit on you and they get to decide that they don't. That's not cool. Totally. It's, I, I don't know.

I'm not, it is just a, a, you made me think of a story when you're talking about that mall story, which is just fucking awful. Um, in sixth grade, uh, like a kid, Luke Barnes, who was like [00:40:00] three feet tall, he was the tiniest little shit of a dude. Like nothing of a dude, but he was the meanest kid. He, he had an older brother who was super cool and he was, he was like cousins with the cup, with the cool kids.

And he was definitely a cool kid, and he was like. The meanest little shit to me all the time. And I always, I was always like, how is the littlest kid here so mean to me, but I didn't have it. Like, I, I didn't fight back really. I didn't like have that thing yet. I just would cry and, you know, be angry. Small, angry, not big angry.

Um, but he invited me to his birthday party and I thought, well, I was, I was dating, uh. Uh, Gina Mathis. Is that right? Gina Mathis at the, is that a famous person? We're just doxing everybody today. Yeah. You get, you get docs today. Find, find these, look these people up. Um, uh, my sixth grade girlfriend, this isn't her fault at all.

I mean, whatever, but Luke invited me to the birthday so that. She could break up with me there and start, uh, going out with him. And so I like, oh 

Tom: my God. Yeah. You went through 

Jonathan: it too. Yeah, I went to the, I went to the party to get dumped and then was just like at this [00:41:00] birthday party for the rest of the afternoon.

Tom: Yikes. Uh, 

Jonathan: having gotten dumped. Yeah. So, um, no, I'm sure they're both great people now. I'm sure they figured it out. Um, probably Trump voters. They probably are. 

Tom: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. The, the grades thing made me think of, um, in middle school, uh, you know, we got report cards four times a year and they would read out on the loudspeaker, um, who got straight A's and I got straight A's every.

Report card of middle school, um, something I'm now proud of. But at the time, those four days, every year was a moment of like deep, deep shame for me. Everybody would turn and look at me in the classroom and, uh, like make fun of me. It was like, uh, I, I was so, I don't, and I was so mad that they made me go through that.

Like I didn't need everybody to know. I got the straight A's. Yeah, there's no, 

Jonathan: and also like, what a fucking weird, like. Maybe it's no surprise that we've ended up where we are, that like the majority of the people in that situation are like, uh, you learn stuff, duh. You fucking suck. Yeah. Like what? Like how is it a bad [00:42:00] thing to get straight A's?

Like that's because I dealt with that too. Like being, same thing, like being in the advanced classes and then getting good grades and then like being Yeah. Being made fun of. Yeah. For doing well in school. I don't. Understand where that mentality comes from. I mean, I guess I do. It's like it's it's 'cause they can't, right.

It's like they, if they, if they can't or didn't, then they have to make it seem, they have to make their version of it seem cool. Yeah, I guess. But like, uh, I guess so. I don't know. 

Tom: I don't know. But we're gonna try and combat it in the No homework, no homo work. This week? Yes. Um, did we get any pictures last week?

I don't think so. That's why. We'll, we'll see how this goes. Uh, okay. If you're a listener, you're no home, no homo work this week. It's to read a book. 

Jonathan: Yeah. Because 

Tom: I complained last week about some Instagram thing that I wanted to fight like I do every other week. Um, and, and I said, you should read a book instead of posting that shit.

And I believe it. And there was some stat that just came out. Um, yeah. 

Jonathan: Well, it was about like, it was, it was from ai, like the jobs that AI are taking and like how, how tough things are getting for a lot of like just analysis kind of [00:43:00] positions. But just reading. Reading is down. Reading for pleasure is down.

Reading for pleasure is down like 40%. Yeah, like it's like half. Almost half. Yeah. 

Tom: Yeah. Yeah. I, I, I just would encourage everybody, like pick up a book. Don't even read it on your freaking phone or your Kindle. Yeah. That's not the same. Yeah. Pick up a hard copy book and rediscover the joys that our ancestors knew for the past, almost 500 years since the printing press, I think.

Yeah. Um, and, uh, yeah, there's just, it's a nice break from the world to get caught up in a book, and 

Jonathan: if you 

Tom: haven't done it in a while, it might be time to like 

Jonathan: kind of rethink it. I'll tell you one thing, like I reading. Kids' books, reading kids' books is easy. But now my kids, like Caleb wants to read, Harry wants to have Harry Potter read to him and he, we've done some roll doll books and um.

We we're using All Hand-Me-Down copies of Harry Potter, so that bitch is not making any more money off of us, but we are good. The stories are being read to him, uh, through Pat, through Hand Me Down books, but those books are fucking hard to read. And I'm like a grown man and I'm, I'm like, I need to be reading more.

This is like [00:44:00] difficult for me to be reading right now. I'm having a hard time rolled Doll was like hard read sometimes for me. Like J Rowling's not a hard, hard read. It's just like. It's a little bit, no, it's like, I know it's for tweens, but it's like British and it's like, so the words are a little bit funky and it's like, it's just a lot of words to be reading in like kind of the dark at bedtime for kids.

It's just like a, like my, I just don't read enough. What book are you on? Um, well to be honest, Jen's taken over most of the reading of that because I don't like reading the Harry Potter book to, but they're in book three. 

Tom: Okay. Wow. 

Jonathan: Yeah. Wow. Okay. He loves it. Alright. He's, he's convinced he's a slitherin, but he loves it.

Wow. 

Tom: Proudly. 

Jonathan: Oh yeah. Oh yeah. He's a, he's got a real bad guy thing going, but like, he just likes the vibe of bad guys. He doesn't, he never understand, he doesn't wanna do bad guy stuff. He just likes the vibe of, he doesn't wanna do bad stuff. He just likes the vibe of bad guys. I'm trying to convince 'em that there are cool, good guys.

'cause I, I think it kind of is the same thing. There's like a, there's like a, I don't know, a zeitgeisty. Like the bad guys are often cool in [00:45:00] stories, you know, and like, I'm trying to be like, the good guys are, the good guys are cool. Like, it's not just about like nerds doing the right thing. Like, they're also cool, they're, they're doing fun things too, so, yeah.

Yeah, we're working on that. So read a book and then tell me what, let's write d well, DM me, not Tom dm me and tell me what books I should be reading and what books, uh, you're reading. 

Tom: Okay, great. And then you'll catch me up after all your dms. Yeah, I 

Jonathan: want so many dms about books. Nothing else. I want books.

I want dms about books. 

Tom: Alright. You know what 

Jonathan: it's time for? I 

Tom: do. Who would you fight? Who would you fight? Pow. Pow ooh. Little alternate melody. Yeah, I like it. I like it. It's the harmony line. I'm trying to teach it to you so you can sing it with me. Okay. Yeah, yeah. You got a little 

Jonathan: 50 cents. A little west side of there kind of.

It feels a little like who would you fight? 

Tom: Who Man fight.

Jonathan: Who would you fight this week? Luke Barnes. Fuck it. That little. Three foot. Nothing of a dude. I wanna fight that grown man. I wanna see he up too. Hit me up. Luke [00:46:00] Barnes. I wonder how tall he is now. 

Tom: I don't know. He probably a giant dude. I, I wanna, I wanna post gay couples who post. Have you ever seen, I don't know if you've seen these or haven't clocked it the way other gay people do.

Um, gay couples have this thing. When like a friend visits them from out of town that they're clearly like hooking up with as a couple and they post like, guess who's in town for the weekend picks and it's code for, we have been fucking this guy together and he's hot and we want to put it on blast to the world.

And it's just so fucking. Gross. Like it's just unnecessary. And I wanna fight gay people that do that. And if you're a gay person that does that, just stop. We don't wanna know. It's ugly. It's gross. Enjoy your little out of town. Fuck buddy. Have you and have you tried to fight 

Jonathan: anybody that's not. An internet problem.

I like think, I think social media posts a, a social media faux pa has been your fight every week of not just 11 episodes, but of every vaulted but test 

Tom: episode, 

Jonathan: no, there's, there's been, there's been a few outliers. I [00:47:00] can't remember what they were, but Okay, for sure. I'd love to get back to those and find them because boy oh boy.

Do you, I know it's a, it's a, you hate a social media trend for sure. 

Tom: I really do, but that's not even a social media. Trent, that's just a cry for help. I'm sorry that is a cry for help. I'm sorry you didn't have enough sex when you were younger and now you're trying to make up for it. But grow the fuck up.

Alright. Yeah.

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