No Flirting

Jonathan and Tom joke about the boundaries of their “open” podcasting relationship before turning to the shocking assassination of Charlie Kirk. With candor and unease, they sort through their personal reactions, grapple with what this moment means for the country, and ask what responsibilities each of us carries in the aftermath.

Transcript

Tom: [00:00:00] What's up? What's up? What's up? What's up? What's up? We did it. Hey, we did it. Welcome to no homo episode 13. That's right. This is Lucky. 13 podcast 

Jonathan: with Jonathan and Tom. I'm Jonathan. I'm Tom. Yeah. Lucky number 13. That's exciting, man. Is it, is it lucky number 13 or is it cursed? Well, I don't know. You tell me like what are we gonna, I think we get to pick, you get to pick what you do with this, right?

I mean, throughout the history of numbers, I think it's been cursed, but then there are those brave souls among us who want to. Flip the script on that. Yeah. And make it, uh, you know, so. I feel like we're probably Team 13 is a great number. Yeah, yeah, for sure. For sure, for sure. Happy 13th episode. Yeah. Happy 13th episode.

I mean, like, uh, superstition aside. I think it's cool. We've made it 13 episodes so far. I, I can't believe it. 13 weeks. We're still friends. We're still doing a podcast. Still friends? Are we still 

Tom: friends? Yeah. Yeah. Good. Yeah. Good. I'm glad to hear it. Um, we're recording on Monday, September 15th. Uh, yeah. How, how, what?

[00:01:00] Oh man. All over the place. I was like, I was about to be like, how are the you? And then I'm looking at the outline and that's not what 

Jonathan: we're supposed to talk about yet. I know. Well, we're in the loose banter section of the outline, which I love. I love that. That's a note that stays on the outline. I love that.

13 weeks of a podcast. 13 weeks. And we have the, an outline that we try and it just in caps, italicized, it says loose banter here every time. 

Tom: We're just keeping it loose, keeping it loose, keeping it real. You know what? You know what, man? I'm tired. It's Monday night. Yeah. And I'm already tired. I'm not ready for this week.

Jonathan: Yeah. I, I was thinking about, I was, I was thinking that I don't always love, uh, recording on Monday nights and it, it takes a moment to find the energy to record on a Monday night. Yeah. And then I was like, but when else is there to do it? Because it also, I don't know that there's any time when I have like, I think it's just being 43 and in the world these days.

Yeah. At no point in my day or night am I like. I'm jazzed. I'm awake. I'm ready to go now. Yeah, yeah, totally. 

Tom: Totally. And also would throw off our release schedule. I think if we went away from, which is the most important thing, 13 weeks in, we couldn't change. Couldn't change. [00:02:00] The audience is too, they're too, they're too locked in.

They would never find us. Oh my goodness. Yeah, 

Jonathan: that would be the problem. We'd just be lost in the back of, uh. Spotify. What? Whatever. 

Tom: Yeah. Listen, if you have been listening and you're a loyal listener, we want to thank you for being a no homie, and, uh, ask you to tell your friend, ask you to tell your friends about us.

Share the podcast. Yes. If there's an episode, you respond to pass it on, like and subscribe. Um, help us get out. Help us get the word out. We are, um. I, we have like a loyal fan base and we just wanna see it keep growing so we can keep doing this. 

Jonathan: Yeah. And if I, if I, if, if we have to stop doing this, I'm not sure that I get the excuse to hang out with you for a couple hours every week, so No, we've gotta No homies, please, uh, give me the chance to keep hanging out with Tom.

Um, yeah, yeah, for sure. Yeah. Do other things that you're supposed to do. We're like really bad about that. We're just like, this is what happens when you put. Um, elder millennials and are Gen Xers, a, a Gen Xer and an elder millennial. Thank you. In charge of, uh, some tech stuff. Like I don't even Millennial are you?

Even, even, I mean, well, I'm a, I'm a [00:03:00] Goonie. I'm of the Gony generation. Okay. Um, which is the only name that I've ever heard and accepted for my generation. But are you a Gooner? Uh, no. No, I don't know. What is that? Hmm. Uh, well, we will save that for 

Tom: another day. 

Jonathan: Yeah. Okay. 

Tom: If you can't talk about it right now.

No, I, I could, I don't know why. I'm just not prepped. I'm just not ready to tell you what a Gunnar is. Oh, yeah. That would be the, 

Jonathan: that would be the thing that if you get the data wrong a little bit, don't, it's, you don't wanna make your facts up on this one. Uh, 

Tom: my brain's not there. It's like, I know what it is, but my brain's not there.

And why, why don't we commit to that for next week? I'll tell you what a Gunnar is. Great. 

Jonathan: I look forward to finding out what a Gunnar is. Like. I know the word it gets. Tossed around it there sometimes. Yeah. I just can't remember where it fits and I have, I don't know. Yeah. It's like, 

Tom: it's like, okay, I'll just tell you.

It's like, there, there we go. It's like when you guys who jerk off for like, long periods of time and sort of like edge. Mm-hmm. And um, it, it's like, uh, it's like a, you're gooning, you're, you might be watching porn for a couple hours. You might be Gotcha. [00:04:00] Gooning on a video chat or a video chat with hundreds of other guys.

Dude, I was just 

Jonathan: talking about how busy. Hired, my weeks are, no, I'm the, I'm the opposite of a goner. Whatever the opposite is. It's like, get get in, get out. Or the Navy Seals have coming. It's like, let's no man left behind. We're gonna get in, get out, extraction over. That's, that's, wow. Wow. Okay. The chance to slow down and take some time with my wife or even myself is a beautiful, beautiful thing and a rare treat.

Yeah. Yeah. Fair 

Tom: enough. So what's new? What's new? 

Jonathan: I just look at notes for a second. What, um, okay. So one thing that we have to discuss that I want to, I want to bring to you, and I want to make sure that we are being open about, and we are discussing, and we've continued to do this, and I, all right, we, we've started doing this and I want to continue it is, uh, tomorrow midday, I will be on another podcast.

It's, it's the first time that it will. Yeah. So I wanna make sure that as I'm here officially opening up this relationship, I want to discuss the, any kind of guidelines, any kind of. Uh, parameters you want to discuss right now? Anything, uh, 

Tom: you're recording tomorrow or [00:05:00] gets released tomorrow? 

Jonathan: Recording tomorrow.

Tom: Okay. 

Jonathan: Yeah. The act of podding with someone will happen tomorrow. I'll be in the act tomorrow. 

Tom: Am I allowed to know who you're podding with? 

Jonathan: Uh, yeah, it's a no homie. Um, uh, uh, a guy Jim who has this, listen, his, the podcast is called 50% Facts. I feel like it's pretty on-brand for us because the way he just says they research about 50% of what they talk about Uhhuh.

I feel like that's a good, that's a good, uh, collab for us, Uhhuh. Um, so, uh, that's. Almost all I know about it. That's, that is basically all I know about it. That's the amount of research that I've done on the podcast. That is about 50% of the research. Um, so you 

Tom: don't even know what you're gonna talk about.

Jonathan: Uh, just like our pod and life and man stuff. And, uh, they do a lot of like, uh, weightlifting stuff on their podcast and I, you know, I like to lift weights. So we'll talk that some, like, is 

Tom: this a straight bro or a gay bro? 

Jonathan: Straight, bro. Okay. It's actually one of the, it's actually one of the no homies who has talked about, uh, um.

Having a gay friend and, and talking to that gay friend and asking why he's never, uh, hit on him. And yeah, the friend saying, well, no flirt, 

Tom: no flirting, don't no flirting. He can't flirt [00:06:00] with you. You can't flirt with him. Like, okay, that's a definite, like, I'm not comfortable with that at all. If that starts to happen, I need you to 

Jonathan: like, just sign off.

Okay, sure. Well, can, I mean, kinda just like. Can I just politely say I'm, I'm, I'm sorry. We can do it. There's a lot of things we can do, but I'm not, um, flirting is not that I'm open to. That's fine. Okay, 

Tom: cool. That's fine. I guess. And just make sure he knows about me and like, 

Jonathan: I mean, he knows about you. He hears about, he, he, listen, he's a no homie.

He's a fan. He, he knows about you. He knows where my heart is. Uhhuh, he knows, listen, like sometimes, you know, sometimes you gotta sow your oats, you know, like, you just, you gotta live life, you know? Yeah. I, what? I think 

Tom: he's hot. 

Jonathan: Yeah. Have I, I mean, yeah. Yes. And also, like what the, I don't know that I've ever, I'm, I'm impressed.

I'm impressed by the ways that you can find people attractive. Uh, so I think that you are, I, I'm, uh, I I am, I'm, I'm just gonna keep saying impressed. I'm impressed by your ability to find the attractive features in a person. Um, wow. And also, yeah. Yeah, Jen's a hot dude. He lift weights. [00:07:00] All his gay friend thinks he's hot.

He's just wifed up. And so his gay friend didn't tell him. So like, yeah, dude. Um, he's a bear, he's a bear of a guy. Um, all right. All, yeah. You'd like him, you'd be a fan. 

Tom: All right. 

Jonathan: Um. I even throw in here. I want, I wanna throw this in here, and if we have to cut this, we cut this, but I, I wanted to add it and now it feel like, it feels like it fits.

I wanna do a section where we say like, no homo, but like, we use it the way that it's, it was traditionally used, but then say like, the gayest thing, you can say next, like, here's the first one that I came up with that I've been wanting to say to you. Uhhuh, no, homo. But I'm pretty sure you give better head than my wife does.

What made you just think of that? Uh, because I wanted to say no, homo. If we flirt with each other, like Jim, like if, if I flirt, can I, if I say no, homo, can I flirt? Um, and that's, lemme go back one second and say, that's not a knock on my wife at all. I just. You, you know, 

Tom: I mean, we can, we can have a contest.

Um, I love when you say we might cut this section 'cause then you never do. So we have a series of like moments in our podcast that we might cut, but No. 

Jonathan: Yeah. You're the one who needs to check everything to [00:08:00] make sure that you're still good with it. I usually, by the time I get around to that, I'm like, I don't care.

Whatever. Fuck it. Like. If someone what? Okay. Whatever. 

Tom: Well, I 

Jonathan: wanna, I want 

Tom: talk about the Emmy's this week. Uh, the Emmys were on last night. Did you watch a little bit? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. Um, I was excited to watch. I was, I just wanted to point out like two wins that I thought were so exciting. Uh, one was.

Hannah Einbinder for, um, yeah, hacks. For hacks. Uh, this was her fourth nomination. She's been nominated for every season, just like Jink Smart has, jink Smart has won now four seasons in a row. And, um, Hannah has never won. And so seeing that finally happen last night was like pretty awesome and like, felt like, yeah.

Sweet justice and she's so good on the show and yeah. Um, so that was exciting. And then most, the thing I was most excited about was Jeff Hiller's win for somebody somewhere. Yeah. Which was a surprise. Uh, people had not been predicting it. Um, and that was exciting and it made me think of you actually in some of the conversations we've had [00:09:00] because you could see the reactions of all the nominees and Harrison Ford.

Was pre the predicted favorite? Mm. Um, Harrison Ford has never been nominated for anything before. He is supposed to be great in the show. I haven't seen it. I'm sure he is. I think he's fantastic. Um, he's obviously older, um, and like he's great in the show. You haven't seen it? You haven't seen No. Okay. Yeah, he's great in it and, uh, everybody was just like, you know, this is his chance to get his due.

And like, yeah, I get those narratives, but, um. So I, you know, I'm sorry that that didn't happen for him. Maybe he'll have a chance next year. But, um, it was still so exciting to me and I loved somebody somewhere, and Jeff Hiller is so good in it. 

Jonathan: Yeah. 

Tom: And watching the three other gay actors who were nominated in the same ca category, uh, Coleman Domingo.

Bow and Yang and Michael Yuri, their reactions when he won compared to the two straight guys who lost. Um, I just, there it was so fucking beautiful. And, um, it made me think about how you always say we have such a stronger community. And I thought that was, um, a great example of that and like, yay guys being genuinely [00:10:00] happy for the other gay guy for winning.

And, uh, even though it meant that they themselves didn't win. I, I, I, and to me that was one of the most best. Moments of the night. 

Jonathan: Yeah, his speech was great too. Yeah. Um, um. Yeah, I, I, uh, I, we watched a little, first of, first of all, I will say, um, uh, paramount, right? Paramount, uh, paramount Plus, um, that's the app It was on, right?

It was on. Oh, was it, did you watch it? You watch that tv? We watched 

Tom: it through CBS, but getting the CBS app working, we didn't get into it till eight 30. 'cause 

Jonathan: that took, it was a nightmare. Frankly. We only watched the first couple. We watched the opening monologue. We watched the Boys and Girls Club, uh, beat.

Uh, turned into a, a leverage piece. Yeah, we, um, and then we saw the first couple of, uh, awards, but it was all on Jen's phone because we couldn't get the app to work because I feel like these apps, like everything's going that direction, but also they can't keep up with like, live stuff. Like, it never works well.

And so we just gave up before, I was like, I'm not gonna watch this on my phone. Like, I'll, I'll see all the clips that I care about tomorrow. All the good stuff will, [00:11:00] will be clipped and put on social media. So, yeah, I, you know, on one hand I, um. I, I love the award show season. I, I, I, although we were super confused by the season, technically because like the Emmy have moved so many times recently that I was like so surprised that they snuck up on me.

I was like, wait, they're, they're here, right? Yeah. 

Tom: Yeah. COVID COVID messed up. Yeah. And the strike, and then there's all 

Jonathan: sorts of, yeah. 

Tom: And there there's seasons weird usually anyways. And like, uh, yeah. So it's confusing 'cause some of these shows we've been talking about for like almost over a year and it's like, what?

Jonathan: Yeah. But I realized, I realized that, and I guess that makes more sense for TV because like you. You might, if you're gonna have a, if you're gonna have a lull somewhere better to have a lull between the shows ending and the awards, so then the awards can go quickly into the new season. 

Tom: Yeah. Because 

Jonathan: you don't wanna have like awards and then have a whole summer off to forget about all the shows.

Yeah. Because the whole point of these awards is to get people to watch TV again. Totally. But also 

Tom: shows Premier now all year long, so there is not really the same kind of television season there was when we were younger. Yeah. You know, I still 

Jonathan: feel like the summer is kind of a drought for, for like, [00:12:00] like, like.

Lar, like not large scale production, but like presti stuff. Quantity, much lot like a lot of shows. Yeah. Yeah. There's still like definitely good stuff can come out at any time. You never like, 

Tom: yeah. It's 

Jonathan: all just the wild west now. You never know when something's gonna come out. Uh, yeah, 

Tom: for sure. I. Go ahead.

Well, I was gonna talk about speaking of Wild West as these kissing bugs. No. Have you heard about this? No. Dude, there's these bugs, they're called kissing bugs and they spread Chaga disease, I think it's called, and it's, I guess they're common in Central America. And now they're in like 13 states, I think.

Um, lower us right now. Um, they look kind of gross like bugs do. I think they're about this, this big. Uh, they, they land, they land on your face. And they bite your face like near your mouth and then they poop and there's like a disease that's spread from that poop that can kill you. Wow. Yeah. Cool. So, well, I want everybody to watch out and be aware for kissing bugs.

Cool. Yeah. Especially if you want to go to that cesspool Florida. Um, [00:13:00] anytime soon. It's another exciting thing to find in Florida. 

Jonathan: Just, yeah. One more reason to pay attention and keep your wits about you if you'd have to go to Florida. Yeah. Um, uh, I want to circle back away from Florida for a moment, um, and say that kinda back in entertainment, uh, the film that I shot, that, that.

Premiered at, uh, Toronto International Film Festival last week, week before last. Um, got picked up by, uh, a distribution company. So, holy shit. Yeah, so Roque Entertainment now has the rights and, uh, that's, that's all we know so far. But dead, uh, deadline just, uh, had the announcement and the director just texted me the article.

Um, so, you know, it's like I, I learned two things. Congrats. I made the cut and the movie has, uh, uh, at least a distribution, uh, agency now. Okay. Um, there's nothing more beyond that, but, uh, these guys are, Roque is like new, uh, they're a small, um. Uh, or not small, but they're just starting out as a, an, uh, a distribution company and they picked up a couple of movies, I guess a couple of films [00:14:00] from Tiff.

Um, and so Charlie Harper is one of the first ones, and so fingers crossed that means that you can see it somewhere before too long. Um, amazing. Congrats. I dunno if it'll be in a theater or just, uh, online, but yeah. It was, it was good news. Fun to hear you. Big time. That's 

Tom: amazing. 

Jonathan: Well, it's fun to make my move from, you know, being known as American Stage Actor, uh, to the big screen, you know?

That's exciting. 

Tom: Please let us know once you know more. 

Jonathan: I will, I will. Thanks man. 

Tom: Thank 

Jonathan: you. 

Tom: What, so what's going on with you? What'd you do this past weekend? 

Jonathan: Um, what did, I did this past weekend? I had a very domestic weekend. It was lovely. Um, actually, and then I said that. Also I did not, I had a very, um, social weekend.

I went out twice, uh, without kids about two nights. And it was like, I think that's part of why I'm exhausted. Um, but I, uh, had dinner with Mac Elli Ridge, one of the directors of Charlie Harper. Um, and we went to Penrose in the Upper East Side, which I haven't done in years. And it was like, just as good as it always was, you know, like it was.

Loud enough and dark enough that I could barely see the menu. And we had to like, listen [00:15:00] carefully 'cause I'm getting old now. But it was like really nice to be out. And, uh, and just a little, uh, just a, I don't know if he's ever listened to this or not, but Mac, uh, one of the co-directors of Charlie Harper and a really cool dude, um, had a lot of fun with him and Nice.

Uh, like I think that, just like a a, um, an example of that is that. We met for dinner and it was 60, 90 minutes before we talked about the film, and it was like nonstop. It was conversation. It was really good conversation and we didn't even get to like, it was like, oh, right. By the way, the. Film we did together that just premiered like, yeah, we can talk about that Nazi.

So amazing. That was really cool. That was fun. Um, then we went out for some friend's birthday, um, Australian Sean, I think, you know, she, yeah. Happy birthday, 

Tom: Sean. 

Jonathan: Yeah, yeah, yeah. Happy birthday Sean. Uh, we went out, um, we went to um, Roosevelt Islands, to our rooftop bar out Roosevelt Islands, and then had some, uh, some dinner.

It was like a lowkey night, but it was nice. Jen and I got out and got to see some, see some friends. It was cool. Um, do, do they live there now? On Roosevelt Island. Yeah. No, they're in, they're in, [00:16:00] uh, Queens. Uh, uh, so you met, you 

Tom: met, 

Jonathan: you went to Roosevelt 

Tom: Island. Just on 

Jonathan: purpose because, well, listen, this is the truth is, uh, Sean had set these plans for a cool, uh, a cool looking restaurant down in like below the West Village, like above Faite.

It's whatever little spot that is down there. Some cool, like, uh, uh, Cajun, I think kind of kind of restaurants. Um, but Jen. You know, we're looking at it and we wanna, of course we wanna catch up for his birthday, we want to go out and it's like hour plus to get there via car. And we're gonna have, we've got a babysitter lined up anyway.

And so Jen, like, I applaud her for this, but she was like, Hey, can we like, maybe not do that? Like it sounds, it sounds fun, but we want to see you guys. And it's like half of our nights. To, yeah, because of our babysitters parameters to, you know, go do that. And so then we're like, okay, well let's stick around in Queens, but make it also a little adventurous, I guess.

So we went to the, uh, okay. The panorama room on, so shout out Panorama room, uh, in the graduate hotel on [00:17:00] Roosevelt Island. It was cool. 

Tom: Nice. 

Jonathan: Uh, yeah. It was, it was. Interesting to get there and, and go to that little like Truman show of an island. Um, 

Tom: yeah. 

Jonathan: But, uh, it was cool. It was a good time. 

Tom: Nice. I lived there once.

Jonathan: No, really? Yeah. You didn't know. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Senior year. It's junior year of college. Yeah. Yeah. I 

Tom: forget that. But yeah. Yeah. We had college housing there that was just in a building. It was just random college kids stuck together in apartments in a building with real people, man. Um, they hated us. 

Jonathan: That you would, that, I wonder if Marymount, uh, still has anything there?

Uh, do you have to cut that? Do you say that? Do you say that on here? 

Tom: Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I went to Marymount Manhattan College. Okay. I don't think they still have dorms there, but I could be wrong. 'cause it's 

Jonathan: like collegiate, like, I mean, it's not, it's young. It's young. It's, it's like all, it's all blown up. Um.

It's cool. It all seems like a little collegiate or just like young, professional. Interesting. And that was like, that was not 

Tom: the vibe when I was there. I 

Jonathan: know. It's very, I mean, I looked at apartments there when I first moved to New York 20 years ago, and it was like, um, there was some like, um. Medical [00:18:00] center, like, uh, uh, uh, mental health facilities there.

Yeah. And then these apartments. Yeah. And they were like, well priced, but it was like, yeah, yeah, yeah. We ended up not, not doing that disturb. Now it's like a disturb. Cool. Place 

Tom: disturb. Yeah. 

Jonathan: Um, I think there's still only the tram and like, is there a train stop? I think there is, there is a train stop there, right?

Oh, yeah, yeah, 

Tom: yeah. The the, the f 

Jonathan: Yeah, but there's like an F stop and the tram and I just like, ever since Spider-Man, I can't get on the tram, so Yeah. I. But it's cool. Roosevelt Island is cool. I'll give it that. 

Tom: I love it. Well, we, we had a date night, Friday night we went to go see, uh, the history of sound.

Have you heard about this movie? No. Tell me. Uh, just premiered this weekend. Uh, it's a, uh, gay romance, um, starring Paul Mescal and, um. Josh, is it Josh Charles? Is that his name from the Crown? Um, uh, I don't know. Josh. Yeah, I think it's Josh. No, Josh Charles is, um, oh man. Uh, I, I can't remember. I 

Jonathan: can, I can't, I can't help you out.

Hear you. I'm sorry. He, he, 

Tom: he played Young Prince, uh, he, he played young. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Prince Charles [00:19:00] in the crowd. That's why I'm thinking, um. Yeah. Anyways, uh, they, uh, were amazing in it. Um, it, it's, it's, it's a beautiful story ba based on two short stories, I think by the same writer. Um, takes place like sort of, uh, right before World War ii, um, and then spans many years.

But, um. Yeah, these two guys meet at, uh, Boston Conservatory, uh, studying music, um, right before World War I, sorry, world War I, not World War ii. And, um, they fall in love and, um, at a time when obviously they had to be secretive about it. They get separated from the war and after the war, they go, um, on a months long camping trip in Maine to record songs, folk songs from.

People who live in Maine, uh, using these like wax cylinders, like old timey recording equipment. Mm-hmm. Um, and uh, you know, like most gay movies, they, um, face challenges of being together [00:20:00] and I don't wanna give it away, but it was, uh, beautiful and they're both great in it. And, uh, so it was a nice little date night.

Cool. Uh, yeah. It's so nice to go to actually, to a movie theater. 

Jonathan: Yeah. I. Uh, I, it's been a while I, and I would, I feel like I missed, that's the thing that I miss. I wanna get back to the movies. Yeah. 

Tom: I mean, a lot of people don't go anymore. And if we stop going, they'll stop being there and yeah. That's gonna change a lot, so, 

Jonathan: yeah.

Um. Uh, I do go to, I go to matinee with the kids, but I gotta get back in the habit of going to Yeah. Now look, and now I, I kind of like, I don't, I don't, honestly, I don't know the last time and I, Jen was there with me one of the nights, but I don't know the last time I was out two nights in. That's amazing.

Yeah. I'm so proud that I, now I know I can do it. Yeah. So like the Band-Aid's off and like now I know. So now I can go to the movies again. We can party all the time. Love, love it. I'm just, I can be back to being a social butterfly. Love it. Love it. I mean, I'm tired just saying that I. Um, we did teach this this weekend.

I wanted to, uh, just say it was so much fun. Um, we were on yesterday, on Sunday we did have some domestic time. [00:21:00] We like went to the grocery store. We played in the park and we, um, there's a brewery, shout out, single cut brewery, um, in Astoria. It's like near the grocery store we go to, and we were over there.

And so we went by for, they have pinball machines. My son is like. W good at pinball. Like, like genuinely pretty good. Like literally straight up. He beat me. Like he, he played a game and I dunno, point, point scoring. Was he a pinball wizard? Yeah. Uh, two things. Uh, he is not quite, uh, he is not exactly as good as, uh, the def diamond blind kid, but he, uh, it is pretty good.

He beat me straight up and I have got. Um, Caleb and Sydnee onto Pinball Wizard as a song. It's on our Drop Off Jams playlist. Not only do they love the song and they wanna sing along with it, but they air guitar at the beginnings, like the, the acoustics are, you know, that's amazing. Yeah. And we all three get ready and I'm like, it's so good.

Sydnee like, punched her seat so hard. She hurt her finger one time. The air guitar couldn't have been more proud. Um, but the so pinball is a, a given. He's much better than I am at pinball, and she's, you know, [00:22:00] she's. Four and a half, but surprisingly good for a four and a half year old. Um, but we taught them Uno and it was like.

The whole new world for them. I'm excited. Really? For them to know that. Yeah. They were super excited. 'cause there's like, not only are you strategizing for yourself, but you can like, fuck over your family members. You can, you know, you can like, you can, you know, you can hurt somebody with something. And like it was, they got excited about that.

It was fun. Wow. And so, yeah, that'll be a new part of our world. That's amazing world. I always need to be 

Tom: retaught uno every time I play. Yeah. It's not the game, it's the game that I know how play. It's the 

Jonathan: official Bruno Uno rules online. Yeah. Say like, here's what it's always been by the book. Also ask for house rules.

Yeah. House rules exist across all of Uno, so, yeah. Yeah. Like we don't, we didn't teach them stacks, you know? We only taught one card at a time. One play a time. No, I know what you're talking about. Yeah. Well use some context clues if, take a moment and think about it. Stacks of 

Tom: cards, I don't know. Yeah. But I don't know what that means in the game.

Like I literally don't remember every time until I play again. Okay. So teach me stacks next time. Okay. I will. Okay. [00:23:00] We'll play strip, strip. Strip Uno. All right, well house rules. I guess we'll do it at my house then. Alright, let's jump into the big news of the week. Great. Yeah. A little change of tone here.

Yeah, let's do it. But, uh, I do think we should talk a little bit about the, uh, assassination of Charlie Kirk. Sure. Um, and, um. I guess, I don't know. I mean, I don't even know really how to talk about this, but I wonder first, like how did you react to the news? Maybe we could start there. Um, 

Jonathan: um, I don't even really, I mean, I saw it.

I wasn't watching it live. I saw the clip, you know, 'cause like people, first of all, the clip of him getting shot was played more than I am used to seeing. But I guess it's like, because there were a lot of. Cameras. Like, there were just like people on their phones already filming and got it because like, that's not a thing that the news is gonna like people, I don't think we should be watching someone get shot.

Yeah. Like, I'm not sure that's a thing that should be, uh, you know, on [00:24:00] viewable. Um, but I watched it. Um, and, uh, I, it's hard to look back now and know what I thought at the time. I'll be honest, not much as far as like, I, I don't. I don't care about Charlie. I as a human being. Sure. As a, I think he's a, I think he was a, a hate-filled person.

Or maybe not even a greed filled person. Um, so I didn't think much other than, uh, this is probably gonna be real bad for anybody trying to do anything progressive. I bet this, I bet this turns real bad, real quick. Um, and so that turned out to be pretty true. Um, I, I don't know. I don't know if it's like just a desensitization to like the way the world is.

It was not like. Overly shocking. It wasn't like I, you know, it wasn't a big, I texted Jen right away and just said, Charlie, Kirk got shot. And she said, I saw, I heard, and that was like, then we just waited to see what was coming after that. Yeah. Um, like I remember when, uh, when Trump got shot in the ear last year, I, [00:25:00] I was like, oh, we just, like, Trump just won this election like that we're.

Tom: Yeah, 

Jonathan: that was a, is a huge, a huge problem. Now that's, this is over this one. I did not, I don't think I really anticipated the wave that came with it, but that inkling was there of like, oh, this is gonna be a problem. This is gonna turn into a battle cry that whether it should be or not, whether that's what is going on here or not, that's gonna be a, 

Tom: yeah.

Jonathan: A thing. What about you? What was your initial reaction? 

Tom: Yeah, I mean, well, first of all, I wanna say that, uh, yeah, the gun, the, the, the seeing the video and your point about that I think is like a good one. I, I. We, I think most people don't remember, this is the wrong word. 'cause I wasn't, we weren't even alive for it.

But my understanding is that when JFK was shot, um, that footage was not. All over the news. Um, we only know that footage now, really from the Oliver Stone movie. Um, and the, uh, the famous footage that was filmed by, um, what's his name? Uh, [00:26:00] Josh Charles. Uh, it starts with an F, but there's a, there's a guy who was filming on his whatever kind of camera they used back then, and that.

Footage is, was incorporated into, uh, Oliver Stone's movie and, and now it has now been seen everywhere and sort of ubiquitously. So we all, I think, have a visual of what that shooting looks like now. Yeah. But we, they didn't at the time. Right. And the news was just like broadcast on the news and Walter Cronkite delivered.

There's like that famous clip of Walter Cronkite delivering the news and um, uh, crying and everybody was watching the same news and everybody believed. He was telling the truth when he told Yeah. That news. And so, um, it's crazy to say, but I, I, I do think that that shooting was overexposed the visual of it, but there's already people that don't even, that don't think he's even dead.

There's already conspiracy theories that, that it was staged, which is insane. Yeah. Um, and a lot of those are on the left, by the way. Um, and. [00:27:00] It's almost like you need to see it in order for people, for as many people as possible to believe so that we have some common sense of truth. Sure. It's also a 

Jonathan: time where video is, I mean, deepfake is already a thing.

Totally. So it's always Well, totally. Even like immediately it's gonna more confusing, whatever. Yeah, yeah, 

Tom: yeah, yeah. Totally. Uh, I think I wrestled with like how to feel about it. Um, I think political violence is bad in all forms. Um, uh, and so. Y you know, I'm worried about where this leads and we seem to be on a rash of, uh, political violence in this country.

Uh, we've been here before at different times in our history, so it's scary to be living in a time like that right now. And I, you know, as someone raising kids, I don't know how that must make you feel, but I don't think this is gonna end tomorrow. I think this is in the middle of something. 

Jonathan: Where's your question?

Uh, and this is like in the, no, no, homo, uh, you know, under-researched, kind of just like, what are your thoughts on like. I get the idea that political violence is bad. Mm. I get the idea that [00:28:00] murder for differences of opinions is, is bad for sure. Mm-hmm. I mean, I do kind of think like political violence. As a umbrella topic is like where it always ends up like it, like it like if, if people disagree politically, eventually if you can't, if you can't stay civil about it, which we have been moving away from civility for a long time anyway.

Yeah, like then violence is eventually gonna come into play. Like it's either a war or it's like assassinations or whatever like that. And I'm not saying like it should, but that's where it's always gonna go. Like it doesn't. The history kinda shows like once someone gets a grip on power, if they are not the kind of group or the kind of, uh, mentality of like sharing that or bettering people with it, if they want to, if they want to greedily, gather power and hoard power, then it's gonna end up violent at some point.

So like it, I think that like political violence is like, to me it's like, it bothers me when I hear that phrase and this, because Charlie Kirk wasn't a politician. He's [00:29:00] not, he's not a political figure. I mean, he, he has, his statements are all. Politically charged. Sure. They're like socially charged, but like, I, I almost wanna be like, it's not political violence because he's not a politician, he's not an elected official.

He's not like, in fact, every, like the FI, sorry, but the flag's flying at half-mast. Like whatever you think about him is like, I. I think he was a morally bankrupt person. But even if you don't, even if you were a big fan, if he was considered to be like a pastor of your church, if he was whatever he was in your life.

He was not a political, an actual political figure and like the, the. Over the over zealousness 

Tom: of 

Jonathan: the, I 

Tom: think I disagree with that in the sense that I think it's possible. Like Martin Luther King, I consider a political figure. He never held office. 

Jonathan: Sure. I guess I would say like he made political change, like the civil rights movement, like, like political change did come from him and I guess, yeah, sure.

Charlie is like. I, I don't really know Charlie. I 

Tom: think Char, Charlie Kirk is single [00:30:00] handedly responsible for the youth conservative movement that's happening in our country, like single handedly. Mm. I don't think Donald Trump would've been elected without him. Um, certainly for the second election. I think he played a big part in, um.

Really connecting with youth and um, doing it through free speech, which I do think is one of the things at play here. Like we're, you're either for free speech or you're not. And if you're for free speech, you have to be for free speech in all its forms. 

Jonathan: Well, I would say okay. Okay, sure. But I would say free speech as far as like constitutionally is about the government stopping you or not.

Like I, you can't say anything you want to me and not suffer repercussions of that. I'm not saying that's what this was. I have, we, the, the details of this change every day, who I don't know, I, what we hear about it is, is always, is been ever evolving, but. The idea of free speech is not, you get to say whatever you want.

It's that the government can't persecute you for saying whatever you want. An individ, like, you can lose your job. [00:31:00] You can get punched in the face. Sure. You think plenty of things can happen to you. Like, so I, I, I feel like that's a weird spot, spot too. But if, if 

Tom: someone says something to you that really makes you angry, that doesn't give you the right to murder them 

Jonathan: at all.

Like, well, sure. I mean, then the action that you take is then has its own repercussions from it. Like that's how that change is gonna continue. Like if you, yeah, whatever you are, you are responsible for the things that you say and the action and whatever recourse you receive from that. That's what you receive from that.

And then that person, like if, if I punch you in the face, if I don't murder someone, but I punch someone in the face, I still might go to jail. Yeah. I might get, you know, whatever comes next from that, then like for sure you are then responsible for your own actions after that. But I just think like the Constitution is not defending people from like, repercussions of their words.

It's defending people from, in fact, I would say it's do like that is the thing that this administration is aggressively doing unconstitutionally, which is literally persecuting people for their words on a government, on a federal level. Totally agree there. Not the 

Tom: individuals totally agree there. I just think we can't be hypocrites on the left.

Um, if a, [00:32:00] a, a key, A major may be the most vital. Um, component of a democratic society is free speech and the minute. We start to backtrack on that from our point of view, then we're, we're, we're playing our hand, we're giving up the moral high ground, 

Jonathan: I guess. I mean, the moral high ground is like, okay, I have a hard time with that one too.

Like the moral high ground gets you also shot. Like I am sure. Like, you know, uh, yeah. I 

Tom: mean it's, I, I, I, I understand where all of. Your points are coming from, and I certainly, you know, feel the same anger towards Charlie Kirk. Obviously, I'm a gay man who hopes to marry a gay black man. So, um, Charlie Kirk is not a fan of us or was not a fan of us.

Um, and so I don't feel, you know, any love loss for his loss. Um, so I, it, it was a, it was a. You know, I, I had mixed feelings about hearing that he was shot, of course. Um, and struggled with them, and struggled with like the hate it brought up in me, you know? [00:33:00] Um, and, and then starting to wonder like, does this mean we are on?

Like, are we closer and closer to this civil war? We've all been talking about coming and, and what does that mean? But, uh, I don't know. I mean. As, as angry as we all are and, and is that what we want? Is that what you want? 

Jonathan: I mean, I don't know. I, I, I don't know. I, I also like, this wasn't a, I don't know, the, the murderer is not, uh, a friend of mine.

I don't understand their ideals. Mm-hmm. I don't actually know where they're coming from at all. I've heard many, many different things about where they're coming from to begin with. Yeah. So, uh, I will say I think there's a dip, like. Like, it's funny 'cause I agree with you in the big picture, like equating him to Martin Luther King Jr.

Like, 'cause that is, that's out there being said, right? That's a thing that's being, especially as an assassination. But like one person was talking about what was loudly speaking about equality and one person is loudly speaking about inequality. Like there's like, like. Disinformation to, to [00:34:00] push, uh, an inequality agenda.

Agenda is like, I don't know, like I, I'm not saying anyone should die over their words. I do think there's a difference in like speaking up and speaking for your own rights versus like spewing hate and misinformation about groups of people. Um, I, I mean, I don't think that anyone deserves to get shot for their words, but also like your words can, like, I don't know.

I don't know how far that that goes, you know, like words. Words can stir things that cause things that create major problems that, that create violence that, that, uh, you know, push these, uh, agendas of inequality and, I don't know, like push hate. And it's just, it's all, I don't know. I don't, I'm not gonna, I don't plan on, I don't, I don't see any future in my life where I kill somebody for a thing they said, but I hope that I don't have to see a world of much a, uh, would kill anyone for any reason.

Yeah. And I don't know, civil War talk is like, I mean. Uh, the only reason that I think we're far away from that is not because of any kind of like, uh, [00:35:00] evolution mentally or emotionally, but it's actually like a lack of motivation and organization on any side. Like, I don't know how, like it Sure. If a bunch of like.

The far right. Conservatives wanna get their guns out and go attack the people they think of as far left or anybody they want to go attack. Like, yeah, we could have major riots across the country. We could have major problems across the country. Like, I don't even know, I don't know how we get from where we are right now into what could be actually called.

Civil war because like, yeah. I mean, it's, 

Tom: it's hard to even know what it looks like. Like, yeah. You think of civil war and you picture bayonets and being on a 

Jonathan: field and like, I still think, but also like there was a, there was an organization to those armies, like, I don't know, I don't know how the south, I don't know how the south as a group was like, we gotta get together.

I mean, the, the, the union was the union and had a, a federal, had an army, had a military, and then all the other guys like got together. I don't know, maybe that's when we all get attacked by. Proud boy cells and oath keepers on that. Well, I mean, I do think 

Tom: that they are organizing and I worry we don't have the [00:36:00] same organization on the left, but I really, I, I agree that we don't all that's really hope that we don't have to get to that point.

I sure, for the sake of hope is a tough 

Jonathan: hope. Hope is a tough, uh, bulletproof vest. Um, I, I don't know. I don't know. But yeah, remember we talked, remember we talked earlier in the week about like, not just getting angry and finding ways to Yeah. 

Tom: Yeah. I mean, well, I, I, I, to that point, I've been thinking a lot about like really how this has made me feel.

And, and I, I think I know what I wanna say, which is, um, I'm gonna try and be eloquent. Eloquent, but I'm also just doing it off of like. Shooting at my hips here. Um, which is that I, when I think about this country and I think about where I am in my life right now, I think about, like, I was, I was going back like, how did I get to this point in my life where I'm actually like pretty happy maybe for the first time really ever.

And um. I think about the fact that, you know, around the same time, at the turn of the last century, [00:37:00] um, Europe, there was a lot of poverty in Europe, and a bunch of Italians who were not doing well in Italy decided to get on a boat and come into the unknown and try and start a life here. And a bunch of poles from Poland did the same thing, and they happened to end up in the same south central part of Connecticut and.

You know, um, had kids and then those kids went and fought, the men went and fought in World War II and survived. And those were my grandfathers and they got married and they had kids. Um, and my dad and my mom like happened to end up at the same party, uh, in their early thirties, and they were sort of like the last of their friends, I think, to really be married.

And my mom gave my dad a chance, even though he was. Purportedly acting drunk, was a drunk and acting crazy, and they got together and they tried to have a baby, and that baby died before it was born, and that was. Really tough for them and they still tried again. And, [00:38:00] and then I was born and, uh, you know, and then I think about Quan and, um, his, his, his dad is from St.

Kitts, which means that his dad is really from Africa. And at some point in the 16 hundreds, his dad's ancestors were brought against their will in terrible circumstances to the island of St. Kit's to be sugar farmers or whatever they did to. Cultivate the sugar. I don't know what that looks like. Um, and somehow in the sixties he decided to go off on his own by himself to the states and not know what was awaiting them there, looking for a better future.

And Quan's mom grew up in South Carolina and uh, her family is, she's a descendant of slaves who were. On Cotton Farms in South Carolina. Um, also brought over on ships against their will and she decided to go off on her own at some point and moved, uh, moved north and moved to the northeast, New Jersey and New York to look for a better [00:39:00] life.

And they randomly met and had two kids. And somehow Quan and I. Met on a gay app because we live in a country where the technology was there for Steve Jobs to invent the iPhone and some of that technology that makes the iPhone. What it is is because our government invested money in research and came up with Geolocating.

Um, technology that we used in wars and then they said, Hey, real people can use this technology and Steve Jobs put it in a fucking phone. And because he did that, some entrepreneurial gay, I think a gay must have created Grindr. I don't know that someone, some gay created grinders so gay guys can meet easier.

And then another gay came along and said, you know what? I think we need a gay app for guys who like Harry guys. And that was called Scruff. And because that guy made that app, I met Quan and. Because of Obergefell, we hopefully will have a chance to get married if that doesn't change. [00:40:00] Um, and that gives me so much hope about like our country and the story of our country.

And we've been through some really like rough shit already as a country. We've been through a civil war already. Um, we went through the civil rights movement in the sixties, which was horrific. And um, we unfortunately. Our lot in life is that things have gotten for us at our age. Things have gotten worse as we've gotten older.

The country has gotten worse as we've gotten older. And that sucks. 'cause I don't know about you, but I didn't think that that was gonna be the case. In my twenties when Obama was elected. I was like, here we go. Racism solved. Like we are, we're soaring like we are on our way as a country. And that's not the case.

And I think we just. We have to rise to the occasion, like other Americans have risen to the occasion before us. We have to figure out what that means. And it starts by people needing to pay attention. And you know, that, that's always my soapbox. [00:41:00] So I don't know. That's why I'm trying to like look at this positively.

I don't know. 

Jonathan: Yeah. Um, yeah, it's hard to, uh, I think that was a great way to, that's a great perspective to have and to be able to see that, that. Uh, full trajectory. Um, it, it, like, it feels like an intelligence is losing. It feels like, I don't know. That's, that's why my, the, the morality of it is tough. I feel like that is always a thing that can kind, that comes and goes and we can, like, there's always a, a, a rubber banding to that.

And the morality seems over time to win out. Uh, I don't know. I, I. I am having a hard time being optimistic because it feels like intelligence is losing right now. Mm-hmm. That the, so I don't, I don't know how to, it's one thing to fight against, um, a moral issue and to, to like look throughout history and be like, sure, at some point we didn't think that women should have rights and someone we didn't think, you know, like things [00:42:00] have moved progress slowly but progressively forward.

But that's also because like society has continued to think that. Enlightenment and education was important and to scale, that's not the case right now. And so it's hard to find the, the optimism in that. Like, I don't know. But you're right. I mean, that's where like what do we do now as Americans who want to continue being Americans who want to be in a place it can thrive?

Like the thought I, I had the thought like the, the. The intelligent people like cannot lose this. They're the, they're the, they're the smarter people. Like figure out, figure out, figure it out. I don't know what that means. I don't know what it means. And I think that, I don't know that certainly like, like the fact that, and I'm saying this like for myself, like.

I get that Charlie Kirk can like garner a rally and a lot, a lot of people pay attention, but like I wouldn't have even known to think of him as someone that important because of how siloed even, even I think of [00:43:00] myself as relatively under like, aware of what's happening. Big picture. It's still like my silo and it's tough to like, like I don't know how to.

Begin undoing that. It's like the, I don't know. I don't know the, the, yeah. I think, I 

Tom: don't know. I think we have to be proactive. We have to talk to each other. We have to talk to our family, not be afraid to talk about politics with our families. We have to organize better. We have to, um, support candidates who believe in the things we believe in and work our asses off to help them get.

Elected. We have to donate, we have to knock door to door, we have to make phone calls. Um, we have to get other people to do that. Um, we have to like put our money where our mouth is. I think, um, I don't know. Or we fight in the civil war 

Jonathan: mean. Yeah, those are like, that. It's kind of a, uh, fake it till you make it right.

Like you can, you, you gotta act your way into thinking. You're not gonna think your way into acting. All of those things [00:44:00] still sound to me, and I'm just be hon just being honest. They sound futile. Like it's, it's like cool. Yeah, sure. Yes, a hundred percent. Like we give our money. I places I give my money, you know, I candidates, I, what's the 

Tom: alternative then, if that all sounds futile?

Yeah. 

Jonathan: I mean, I don't know. That's, that's the, that's what I, I don't know. Other than fighting and that's the only other, unless the smart people come up with a better solution, like, I get it. It just, it's also like, it, it's kind of. It's hard to see the outcome from that. Like it's hard to see the positive outcome from that.

Like, it, it hasn't been working, but it also is the only option. So it's like you gotta just do it. It's like, it, it is like anything with with, with any kind of betterment of self, for me at least. And maybe some people are different, like I can't. You know, I, people, I'm not, this is an original idea. I'm, I know I fit in this category of like, I'm not going feel motivated often enough to do a thing that's gonna like, make my life better.

I'm gonna have to, I'm gonna get up and journal every day, or if you work out, like I'm gonna get up and work out because, [00:45:00] because I'm gonna get up and work out, not because I feel like I'm gonna get up and workout because I. Just because I'm gonna do it and eventually I trust slash hope that I will feel better.

And I think you're right. Like a lot of this stuff is like, okay, but just do it. Don't, don't think about like what comes next. Don't think about how is it gonna work, how is it gonna work? What's the positive outcome? Just just do it and just keep doing it. And that's, 

Tom: well, the irony I think is that the Republicans, if, I mean, can we even say Republicans?

I feel like the Republican. Republican party is dead. Yeah. Um, MAGA and Donald Trump want us to feel helpless. They want us to think that organizing and knocking on doors and donating and supporting candidates, they want us to think that's not gonna work. And so I don't feel like we can just like, give up on that just yet.

Um. 

Jonathan: I don't 

Tom: know. 

Jonathan: Like, yeah, I'm not saying we should, I'm just saying it feels, it feels futile. Yeah. Like I, I, yeah, because there's, there's, there is nothing else I think, I think that we do have to, yeah. It just is like, you gotta do it for me, I [00:46:00] have to do it. I have to do it to do it. I have to do it because it's the only option.

Not because it's gonna, not because it feels productive. Yeah. Not because you can see an outcome right away. 'cause if you are waiting for the outcome, it, like, for me, doing those things, if I then expect to feel. Fulfilled and excited about what comes next. It's going to be short-lived because it's, that's not gonna happen.

Yeah. It gotta like, hopefully it does long term, but short term, it's not gonna feel productive. It's not gonna feel good. It's gonna just gotta do it. You just gotta keep doing it. Just gotta keep, 

Tom: yeah. 

Jonathan: Keep doing the things that we, uh, that history has said are the ways to make things better. 

Tom: Yeah. Yeah.

Well, good talk, man. Yeah, it's, it's tough. It's tough subject. I feel like we're not gonna get to vulner vulnerable roses tonight. We Yeah, that's fine. We, we've talked about a lot of heavy stuff and, uh, I don't want us to run too long. Um, but I think we have an exciting topic that we'll get to next week.

Yeah. Um, so we can recycle that. Um, uh, yeah. So no homework time, no homework. [00:47:00] No humble work. Yeah, yeah, sure. 

Jonathan: Yeah. No humble work. Yeah. Yeah. 

Tom: Am I saying 

Jonathan: it 

Tom: right? 

Jonathan: I don't know. Sure. Yes. All right. You wanna, 

Tom: you wanna tell us our no homework? Yeah, 

Jonathan: sure. Well, yeah, I mean, uh, because it is ours. Like, we don't, we are, I, I don't even know if anyone's listening this far into the pod or if they, uh, ever do this or not, but it's for, it's for you and me.

I think. I think that like, yeah. One of the things that I've always liked is like, I just want to. It's great to have a thing to do that we can connect on, to learn from, and, you know, you and whatever. And so what I wanna say for myself this week, which I'm already literally already nervous about, but I can do it, is, uh, and I'll, I'll challenge you to do the same, is, uh.

Tell someone new that you love them. Tell someone that you have not told before that you love them. That you love them. I 

Tom: like that. That is a good one. Uh, it's a good, and, and I will do that. Um, I noticed, uh, hung out with a buddy of mine this weekend and we say it to each other and, but it's like kind of a new thing and it, but it's been like, it's not like [00:48:00] that new, but it's like new-ish in the course of our relationship.

Jonathan: Yeah. 

Tom: Um, and but this weekend was the first time that I like clocked it and I was like, oh. Like, I do that with Jonathan and I have other friends I do it with, but I don't do it with everybody. Yeah. And um, I, I think I'm lucky that there's a lot of people that I do it with, but you're right, there's more that I could be doing it with.

Jonathan: And I would say for, this is for me, this is a thing that I'm gonna challenge myself to is that like. The, I've gotten better with the men in my family with it. Like my brother, my cousins, my brother-in-law, the people that I, the men that I talk to in my family, uh, on a regular basis. I realized we got in this habit of kind of like shielding ourselves from up by just being like, alright, love you, man.

And like that, you know, like, just like, there's no eye to it. It's just like, love you, love you, man. Whatever version of that. Yeah. And so I've tried to really make a point to say like, I love you. 

Tom: Yeah. 

Jonathan: I, I I love you. I'm not, I'm not just like. Throw the thing out there as like a umbrella thing. Like, I wanna make the point of saying I love you.

Well, I can definitely say that I'm in love with you, 

Tom: partly 

Jonathan: because of how good you tell someone knew this week that you're in love with them, [00:49:00] partly because of 

Tom: how good you look this week. Oh no, stop the pink shirt. With the pink like, smile blush. How much sweat is coming through? It's so hot in my office right now.

Oh, take it off. Take it off. It's too hot. Take it off. Take it off. All right. Who, you know what it's time for? I do. Who would you fight? Who would you fight? Cha c Cha Chow. Wow. Cha cha cha cha.

Jonathan: Who, who would you fight? I tried to jump in there for a pow pow and you changed up the pow pow on me. I'm just, I'm ba I'm never, I'm never a part. I'm never, I'm not learning the harmony. I'm not doing anything. It's you. No, no. The harmony. Gotta do the harmony. I'm gonna make you learn the harmony. Uh, okay.

I'll, I would, I'm, I wanna fight. I wanna fight the designers of the Hyundai Santa Fe safety features because that shit beeps at me all the time. It stops the car when it thinks there's a problem. It does all sorts of crazy things, but it sure did let me. Back right the fuck up into a truck the other day.

So [00:50:00] it didn't work when it was supposed to work, and I am not sure what happened there. I got it's, it lulled me in just long enough and I, I, I know this is what happened and I hate that this is what happened. I, I hate all these bells and ding-dongs and things that were, it hits the brakes and, but it has lulled me into a sense of sense of security that says, sorry.

Okay, 

Tom: what's happening? 

Jonathan: I got a note on my side. It says, video upload stalled and it was behind my ring, but. Okay. It probably doesn't matter right around 50. Maybe I will cut this or maybe I won't. Who knows? We'll see. Uh, I've gotten lulled into a false sense of security that all those things worked and I was parallel parking and I'm pretty good.

I've been in New York for a long time with a car, pretty good at parallel parking, and I just backed right into a truck. Um, so S fe safety feature designers, we got problems. Is the 

Tom: car damaged? 

Jonathan: Yeah, I mean, not bad. It's not bad, but you know, it's. Cars are expensive, so a bumper is gonna send me back two grand.

Yeah. You know, like. 

Tom: [00:51:00] Remember when I rear-ended someone I with your guys' car, 

Jonathan: whoops. 

Tom: And then went to, this is my, went to Burning Man and left it at a car and was car garage. Was like, you guys pick it up. I'm out. I do remember that. Yeah. Um, okay. I have thought long and hard about who to fight this week and I.

I hope it, this is an acceptable answer, uh, from you, which is, I think in light of the events of the last week, I just don't wanna fight anyone this week. Mm-hmm. I want to have a week of peace and not fight anyone. Mm-hmm. I couldn't, I couldn't bring myself up to do it. Mm. Um. So that's my Who would you fight this week?

No one. Okay. Well, you're a little disappointed. Oh, 

Jonathan: I'm something for sure. Interesting card to pull out in this moment in real time. Mr. Mr Hates every social media trend that's ever come along with this week. We choose peace. 

Tom: There's so much to hate. This is the peace. There's so much to hate on. So like I have a list of [00:52:00] things related to Charlie Kurts.

You couldn't have even gone 

Jonathan: first by the way. You couldn't have done, you couldn't have set this up and be like, you know, we should, we should probably shouldn't fight this week. You're like, you go ahead and get all of your anger out. You, you focus on one ones person or target that you wanna fight and then I'm gonna take the high road.

That's just how 

Tom: we always go. I do the little song and then I turn it over to you. I'm sorry, I, that wasn't on purpose. Um. Yeah, I just, there's like a list of things about the events the last week that make me really angry that I want to fight people on and I just want to like turn down the temperature for myself if no one else.

So, yeah. 

Jonathan: Okay. 

Tom: Well, 

Jonathan: all right. Turn on the temperature. You wanna read us out or should 

Tom: I? 

Jonathan: No, I want you to do it. 

Tom: Okay. Uh, thank you for listening. If you enjoyed this episode, make sure to like and subscribe to No Homo with Jonathan and Tom on all podcast platforms and YouTube graphics and music by Matt Lattner.

And a cordial thanks to Jen Dorn Bosch and Quan Williams. The opinions expressed on this podcast are solely those of the host and are intended for entertainment purposes only. Brilliant. Thanks, man. [00:53:00] Beautiful. I love you. I love you. I'm in love with you. 

Jonathan: I love you. 

Tom: Bye. Bye.