Keep It Fresh in the Podroom

Jonathan and Tom kick off this week’s episode fresh from a long-overdue Bro Date and a screening of Paul Thomas Anderson’s One Battle After Another. Stick around for their enthusiastic review—and a candid conversation about the healthy (and not-so-healthy) ways they navigate their emotions as men.

Transcript

Jonathan: [00:00:00] What's up? What's up? We did it. This 

Tom: is no Homo with Jonathan and Tom. I'm Jonathan. I'm Tom. What are we doing here, Tom? This is episode number 15. We're recording on Sunday, September 28th. Recording at a different day, different time of day. It's 

Jonathan: strange. It's like a matinee. I'm a little bit brain dead, but that's, it's totally worth it.

Um, and it's gonna be, we, we, we gotta change it up sometimes, you know, we gotta keep things fresh. For sure, for sure. Keep things fresh in the pod room. Um, that doesn't sound as fun as I thought it might when I, 

Tom: I, I mean, I want things to be fresh in your potter room, bro. Thanks man. Yeah, I appreciate 

Jonathan: that.

Is, 

Tom: is this your pod room that we're in? 

Jonathan: It is, yeah. This is the, this is the other room. That is everything. This is the guest room. This is the office. This is office slash pod room, uh, slash There's like random spots of storage. You, you may remember this room when we first moved in and we hadn't finished renovating yet.

This was like the hostage looking room. It was like. It looked very silent to the lambs, like, 

Tom: yeah. Yeah, because we 

Jonathan: had like the floor done and I had built a wall. The wall you see behind me is [00:01:00] I, I put that there. Um, but the other walls were totally unfinished and it's like the basement level, so it's all just like stone and like dingy brick.

And it looked, um, it was pretty creepy 'cause we had put the wall up. It was, it looked like a room, but it looked like a. Yeah, silence of the Lamb's, kind of buffalo bill, dungeon room. Uh, Jen would take call, like work zooms from down here and people would be like, are you, are you okay? Like, do you need help?

But now it's a lovely, uh, tiny little office slash guestroom slash storage room slash all the other things. 

Tom: Amazing. This is just my bedroom, 

Jonathan: but it's lovely. Uh, and the lighting looks great. It's fun to have a different, a different lighting. Uh, you look great, your mic. 

Tom: Your mic looks a little girth here.

Todays with that. Oh yeah. Like that? Yeah. Well, I started 

Jonathan: practicing safe, safe potting. I don't know. Um, yeah, you finally, you gave me my little, yeah. Not even little. My nice, my nice thick, uh, yeah. It's, it's nice. It's thick. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Cool, cool, cool, cool. Yeah. [00:02:00] But we'll see if it, if it helps the. What is the S sibilance?

What is it? It's helps the pops pop. Is that what it's supposed to help with Pops? Yeah. Okay. The, yeah, 

Tom: the crackles and the pops. All right, 

Jonathan: well, 

Tom: yeah, yeah, 

Jonathan: yeah. Here's the better crackles and pops then, boy. Sunday matinees are a different vibe, huh? Okay. 

Tom: What's, uh, your, your hands look a little like you've been in the fields today?

Oh, a little. A little 

Jonathan: bit of work. Do I look, I've been, I've been in the, been in the mines. Yeah. Um, that's some spray paint. Yeah. I was, I, um, the, the family went away for the weekend. They went, uh, to do some, um. Kind of a last minute trip, some fall stuff with the Uhhuh, uh, the grandparents. Um, and that left me here to do some like manly chores.

Uh, so I built some new, uh, window boxes. Um. I had these like flower boxes in the front, uh, windows, but the first version of them was like a couple years old and the wood was like, not, not looking good. It was looking very haunted house. And so I recovered it. Um, but I used a bunch of PVC trim, um, and painted it black to look like it was better than PVC [00:03:00] trim.

But I also just like, so my hands are just covered in black spray paint. 

Tom: Okay. It looks like you're in the course of Billy Elliot a little bit. Yeah. 

Jonathan: Like what are the coal mining dads? So, yeah, no, I like that. It doesn't look like I'm a minor. It looks like I'm a, a, a a member of the ensemble in the musical production about miners.

It's the eyelashes. Jen always says that, uh, Sydnee is like, like. Like, like she's a fun kid. She's dirty all the time. Yeah. But she, Jen always says she looks like stage makeup dirty. She looks like she's an urchin in Oliver or something. Yeah. Yeah. Like she's just like from, yeah, 

Tom: bro, you're popping. You're popping a little.

I've noticed some reds in your, we just came. Ugh. How can that already be all right? I don't know, but I was noticing, lemme come down 

Jonathan: just a touch and I'll just try to be a little, a little quieter. I'm just trying to see the, I can't do it on the fly. 

Tom: Okay. I was trying to see the manly hands again, 

Jonathan: um, to play with some things.

Oh yeah. Yes, 

Tom: yes, please.[00:04:00] 

So what's up with you? What did you do this weekend? Well, 

Jonathan: I spent a lot of time at Home Depot, which was fun. Uh, that makes a good, again, a good man. The weekend's. Weekend's in a row. I know I got these projects and so, so Jen and the family, Jen and the kids left and I was telling her the projects I had going on, and it was the sweetest, most like.

Uh, it's like how I feel like I know that I'm in a good partnership. That is an honest partnership and like she knows me. She was like, um, those projects sound great. Let's like keep it to those and let's like not start any others because often, and she's totally right and she said it in a kind way and it was the right thing to do.

She was reminding me that I'll get excited about the chance to do work and I'll start multiple projects, and then the A DH ADHD brain just takes over and they'll come home and they'll all just be like. Power tools in the house because I just like, haven't finished whatever I'm supposed to be doing.

Yeah. So there's like shit out in the bedroom and then there's like things taken apart in the playroom and she was just like, can we just make sure we keep this list like straight and simple? And she was right and I kept a short list of projects and still needed multiple trips to Home [00:05:00] Depot. So she was right.

Like I'm all done. So yeah, I feel good about it. You 

Tom: didn't, you didn't add anything extra? 

Jonathan: I did not add anything extra. Well, we had a light go out. We had a a, a bathroom light. I had to, I did have to redo some wiring. Um, but that was kind of on the fly. It was an incredibly manly weekend. I'm feeling really good about it.

Wow. Woof. Okay. I feel like I look like a, a, a ensemble member in any manly musical ever. There's so many. 

Tom: Uh, well, I saw, um, well first of all, together we saw one battle after another. Yeah. Which, 

Jonathan: um, we have to talk about. We just have to talk. We came back from that. We had a Sunday matinee of that straight into a Sunday matinee of this.

We had a little Sunday matinee 

Tom: date. Yeah. Yep, yep. It was, um. Lots to talk about. We decided 

Jonathan: yes, go for it. We 

Tom: decided to talk about it at the end of the episode. 'cause we want to really talk about it. It's, yeah. Um, so it's gonna be spoiler alert. So we thought we would, we would do that last and save anybody who didn't want to, uh, hear us spoil the movie.

Yeah. Either 

Jonathan: don't get it spoiled or you don't care enough to keep listening. We'll do that last we'll because we really. We [00:06:00] intentionally did not say much as we walked outta there, but I will say this without any spoilers of the movie. It's been a long time since we've done that, and I really, yeah, I missed our movie dates, so it was fun to get back to it.

It reminded me 

Tom: of, um, maybe the last time we saw a movie together was, um, uh, uh, uh, uh, gems. Um, uncut 

Jonathan: Gems. Uncut Gems. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, 

Tom: yeah. 

Jonathan: Yeah. That was a fun time. Yeah. That used to be like a go-to. I, we saw. We saw Rogue One. 

Tom: Mm, no, no, I saw that alone. I didn't, I didn't see that. Uh, we saw Rogue.

Rogue One. No. Rogue One or Last Jedi. Yeah, one of those. One of those. Definitely Avengers and Gabe we saw together. 

Jonathan: Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. 

Tom: Yeah, it's been a while since before the kid kids. Yeah. 

Jonathan: Yeah. 

Tom: Um, that's not true. Yeah. 

Jonathan: We, we got high and watched one of the Star Wars, um, um, once I had kids, after I had kids.

Tom: Okay. Yeah. But I think there's only 

Jonathan: one, certainly, certainly pre pandemic. 

Tom: Yeah. Okay. Alright. Since pre pandemic, [00:07:00] since the move, but yeah, it 

Jonathan: was nice to get back to it. 

Tom: Yeah. You picked great seats. 

Jonathan: Thank you for being in charge of that part. 

Tom: I tried, I I got us the space in front of us. Um, yeah, it was good.

It was good. I, I also saw, um, I'm so excited to tell you about this. Yeah, yeah. Um, I saw masquerade on Friday night. So Masquerade is the new immersive version of the musical Phantom of the Opera that, um, is playing in New York City. 

Jonathan: So it's like the same story. Tell me all about it. 'cause I wasn't sure if it was a prequel sequel, or if it's the same story done differently.

It's the 

Tom: same story. Okay. Done differently for sure. Um, I heard, uh, uh, we met one of the ensemble members, um, uh, Quan came with me and I bought my friend Edward, uh, and, um, he knew one of the ensemble members we were talking to him after. And I think it opens like today, I think today's the opening day.

Okay. So by the time this comes out, I think like reviews will be out. All right. Um, but. It was one of the most magical New York experiences I have had in a long time. Wow. Okay. I, the tickets were not cheap. Uh, I paid $250 each for the tickets. [00:08:00] Wow. Um, and I felt at the end of it, like I had not paid enough for what I had just experienced.

Wow. Like, no joke. It's the first time in my life I've ever had that feeling. Um. It's, so, it's the story of family of the opera, but it's an immersive experience. It takes place in the old Lee's art shop. Do you know where that was? Mm-hmm. Yeah. Did you ever go inside it? 

Jonathan: No. 

Tom: So it was on, it was like West 57th Street between seventh and Broadway.

Yeah. Um, south side of the street. It was a fourth floor. Um, I. Art shop that I think was around since like the fifties. It's like a long, long time. Okay. And if I'm, if I'm remembering correctly, it did not survive the pandemic. Um, but it was a pretty impressive store that was like steeped in New York history.

Um, just four floors of our supplies. Like if you were an artist, if you needed anything, it was there. Um, and it was pretty impressive. Exci fun place to go. It was sad, it was a loss to the city, but man, this makes up for it. Um, so they made it, it still has the Lee's Art Shop sign out front. Nice. And it, um, has it, it looks like it's boarded up and empty, but if you show up on a show night, like a half hour before, you'll [00:09:00] see a line of people waiting to get in.

And, um, we were told explicitly to come in, um, black tie attire or, um, or, or like, uh. Cocktail attire. Wow. But they wanted black tie, black, silver, and white only. Um, and to wear a mask or you'll be provided with one. 

Jonathan: Oh wow. So 

Tom: everybody had a mask. Um, they do six showings every night. And so yeah. So unlike, so it's like Sleep No more, but it's the story of, um, Phantom of the Opera.

Yeah. But un you saw sleep no More. Yep. Uh, I did too. Uh, to be honest, and I've never said this out loud publicly, but I didn't, thumbs down for me. I didn't love sleep no more. Okay. Like, yeah, it was, it was impressive in its way, but I was bored in about a half hour. Um, okay. I think for me, what makes this work is, um, you see the full story.

You're sure to see the whole story. Okay. Sleep no more. You could you catch what you catch? Yeah. Yeah. Um, but it was the, uh, it's the same idea in the sense that it's, um. Multiple floors. Yeah. And you're traveling up and down, you're guided through, um, there's six showings. They [00:10:00] overlap. So one showing starts and then it, I don't know how long passes?

A half hour, 15 minutes. Okay. And they start the next one. Okay. Um, the cast. 'cause 

Jonathan: because you're going in a, in an order, they're moving along, so. Okay. How 

Tom: they figured out the geometry of that? I have no idea. Wow. Okay. 'cause the cast is doing all the shows. 

Jonathan: Wow. 

Tom: Except for the Phantom and Christine. They only do, um, one show a night each.

'cause the sing, it's such a hard sing. Um, but, uh, I, I was told by the guy that's in the show that the Christine's play, Meg, uh, the little ballet girl? Yeah. Who's Christine? Christine's little friend. They play Meg in other, other showings. What? So, and sometimes like in the middle of playing Christine, they run and change costumes and go do a beck.

Jonathan: Bro. Like that's crazy. And like any character is like doing one scene up here and then having to start the show down here and then like jump around to be later in the show up here. Like what? It's 

Tom: bananas. So do you know Phantom Well? Like, oh yeah. Not well. I mean, yeah. 

Jonathan: Yeah. 

Tom: You've seen it. Yeah. It's a haunted place, right?

Yeah, yeah. Yeah. I mean, the thing about Phantom is that almost, almost. [00:11:00] Takes place. Almost the entire thing. Like 98% of it takes place in one venue. The Paris Opera House. Mm-hmm. Which is why this works the way it does. Mm-hmm. Um, you go to the roof at one point, like you're literally on the roof of the building and there's the skyscrapers.

Whoa. Which, that part is amazing. 'cause you've, you're like, I'm seeing a show outside and like, there's people's apartments right there. But it is like kind of the one time you are brought out of it a little bit. 'cause it's also like, here's modern world, but it, it's still special in a way to experience that.

Um, is there like 

Jonathan: full production on the roof? Like is there sound and lights and like, is all this shit ha or is it like, what happens up there? 

Tom: It, it's, um, I mean, it's not too much of a spoiler because in the original production at the end of Act one, Raul and Christine sing all I ask of you mm-hmm. On the roof of the Paris Opera House.

So that's what happens up there. Mm-hmm. Um, they've, they've retooled the story. It's like it, a lot of it is in a different order, not all of it. But, um, that chunks are, there's some stuff that's been cut. There's some new stuff that's been added. It's two hours, no intermission. But, um, man, I like [00:12:00] can't stop thinking about it.

Jonathan: Wow. 

Tom: Um, if you have a special event coming up, a birthday and anniversary, like this is the thing to do to, to bring someone, to show them that you care about them. Wow. Cool. All right. If you live in New York and pe you know that thing of like, people are like, what should I see when I come to New York? And you're like, exhausted of answering that question.

Um, the answer. This is something, yeah. This is something new to say. Okay. Uh, other than like, Hamilton, the Lion King, you know what I mean? Um, yeah. It's, it's, uh, it's like. Uh, and, and like what they did to this building. It's like, you, you, you can I spoil a little bit? I'm gonna spoil a little bit. 

Jonathan: Sure. Yeah, sure.

Tom: You, you, you come, you, the first time you go into the basement, you're actually writing the escalator from the old Lee Art shop into the basement. 

Jonathan: Okay. 

Tom: Um, and so you're coming down as he takes Christine into the basement of the Opera House onto the boat. And they're singing, um, Bubu sleep, he's sang, you know, all that.

Yeah. You're coming down the escalator as that's happening. There's [00:13:00] can, like fog. Wow, bro. It's so 

Jonathan: good. Okay. All cool? Yeah. 

Tom: Cool. 

Jonathan: Do you, did you, do you like. Because then sleep no more. If you wanted to, there were times you had to like truck, you had to haul. Yeah. If you wanted to get to the next thing. Is there that kind of movement to this or is it like hurt along there?

There is. 

Tom: You're herded. You're herded. And uh, there's times when you, there, there's a couple times where like the, the, to me the energy of it dips a little bit 'cause you're like hurting the herding gets a little trafficy. 

Jonathan: Sure. Yeah. And so 

Tom: they, they, they do things to try and make that better. It's more successful at other times than not.

Also, there's still like in previews and. Yeah, I, whatever. I have no complaints. It's one of the most magical things. Alright. I don't, I don't mean to be picking knits. It, it's, it's tremendous. And, uh, I hope it looks like they spent a lot of money on it. The chandelier is like, oh my God. 

Jonathan: Wow. Okay. Um, 

Tom: and I hope it runs as long as the original Phantom did, if not longer.

Like, they deserve all the kudos. Diane and Dion p Paulus directed. Who directed the hair revival. Oh yeah. She, she's a genius. Yeah, she was. [00:14:00] It's um, it's pretty, it's pretty cool. All right. Pretty good. Yeah. 

Jonathan: All right. Well, good. I haven't heard, um, I don't know. I haven't, I, I haven't gotten the chance to be excited about a musical in a long time.

Yeah, I like that idea. I like, we'll try to do that. Yeah. It's 

Tom: been, they've been like low key about it too. Yeah. Like you haven't heard that much about it yet, so, um, no, I wasn't 

Jonathan: really sure how to, I was like really reserving my opinions. Yeah. Because I wasn't sure how to feel about it. And again, I wasn't even sure if it was the, a retelling, a sequel, a prequel.

I just knew it was like a, yeah. A new phantom, and it's like, ooh. I don't know, man. Like reboots. 

Tom: I, I think they're being mysterious on purpose, which is exciting. Cool. Yeah. 

Jonathan: It's also like, 

Tom: I think it's like 60 people per group, so it's only like 360 people a night that can see it. 

Jonathan: Wow. 

Tom: So it is gonna be, it's gonna be a hot ticket.

Yeah. And, uh, yeah, I also like kudos, honestly, kudos to Angel Lloyd Weber for letting people reinterpret his stuff. You know, the Cat's Ballroom revival. Yeah. And like, it's just the, the Jesus Christ superstar with Cynthia Arrivo. Yeah. It's like, that's the way to keep. Stuff fresh and, um, yeah, he is a, 

Jonathan: he's a rock star man.

I mean, like, yeah. You know, that's cool. Yeah. [00:15:00] Um, like that, I, when I, I worked with Tim Rice, I thought like, all right, you're like a kind of a, you're a, oh, I started to say grandfatherly age. He also fathered a, a child at that time. So he was a fatherly age, but like, also like a cool dude. Like these guys did some cool, these guys did cool things when they were in the prime making these musicals, and they stayed cool.

I like that. I like that part. They didn't like, you know, they're not, they didn't check out and then just like whatever. They're still like. Cool guys in it, letting things happen and being kind of rock and roll about it. I like that a lot. Yeah. 

Tom: Yeah. That's pretty cool. 

Jonathan: Um, yeah, I have to balance out though.

No, go ahead. What you got? 

Tom: Well, I was gonna, I was gonna bring up, and you mentioned it earlier and I'm glad you did. Uh, our buddy Matt Latner. Mm-hmm. A friend of both of ours. Mm-hmm. Our friend that, uh, did the graphics in the music for this very podcast. Yeah. Um, is, he's also a dj. Uh, his DJ name is Marcel Mar.

So, um, and he just announced, uh, an exciting little contest. Yeah. Um, so, uh, Matt. Uh, put two hours of music on 50 iPods, uh, that he bought off eBay, and he's gonna hide them over the course of the next two weeks in New York, San Francisco and Philly. [00:16:00] Um, and he's gonna post clues on his Instagram about where they are.

Uh, so if you wanna follow along and play a little game looking for music, uh, his Instagram is at Mar, so music, it's M-A-R-C-E-A-U-X music. So. Marcel, like, uh, French music, 

Jonathan: right? Yeah. Yeah. Okay, good. Yeah. Nailed it. And it's all, it's all, uh, unreleased music, right? It's all new tracks from him. Yeah. I, I think so.

Yeah. I, I assume they're all his. I don't know, but I think he said it was all, they're all his, I'm not 

Tom: sure if they're all unreleased or, uh, but they're all his. 

Jonathan: Yeah. That's exciting. It'll be fun. Um, I wanna find one. Um, and it's cool that he's gonna be in town. Um, yeah. We have a wedding coming up. That's exciting.

Talk about that next week. Yeah. That'll be some stuff. Exciting. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I got invited to the, the, the. Group, you know, the um, oh, the Mr. Sunday. Are you gonna come? Yeah, I'm gonna try to, I'm coming back into town. I'm out of town for the weekend, but I'm coming back on Sunday and I am, uh, hoping to get back in time to get over there.

That is the 

Tom: party I venture. 

Jonathan: I know, that'd be so great. I know 

Tom: people do bring their kids for that, but yeah, people that do they buy [00:17:00] the thanks? Yeah. Um, yeah, we have 

Jonathan: some headphones. I mean, mainly for like planes, but people 

Tom: that do, they buy the 

Jonathan: like real fun stuff. But we have those. 

Tom: Yeah, I wanted to tell you about this new thing I've been doing.

Uh um, so I follow this guy on Instagram. 

Jonathan: Okay?

Sure. Yeah. 

Tom: His name is Jules Horn. Um, his, his company is mindful movement. Mm-hmm. Um, I follow, I follow a bunch of these like new age health people online. There's probably some Maha crossover that I don't really wanna know about, but, um, you know, a lot, just don't dig too deep take don't dig too deep. Take what you want and leave the rest.

Yeah. Yeah. So he posted this like five minute thing on Instagram, which was a, like a five minute fascia warmup. And, um, I did it once and it was like. I felt really good the whole day. And then he posted an, uh, 18 minute version and a 15 minute version. So I've been doing the 15 minute version every morning, like, uh, pretty early right after I get up [00:18:00] and like do a couple of first things Yeah.

Before I go to work. And, um, it basically loosens up your fascia. Yeah. Uh, and fascia's like, you know, the connecting tissue between the muscles. Yeah. It's, um, it's like, 

Jonathan: is it like deep, long holds? Is it, as opposed to moving through it? No, it's like a, 

Tom: it's a movement thing. Oh, really? Okay. So it starts with like 150 hops and then 150 like twist hops.

Oh wow. Okay. And then like. Dead arms and arm swings. Um, and it's like, I, it's crazy. I'm like noticing a difference in what my body looks like too Cool. Just from this like 18 minute thing every morning. Um, so I just want to do a shout out out to that. Yeah. Share that with 

Jonathan: me. And then the, on this, this page too.

'cause I, I will, I'm feeling old man. I like creaky the my shoulder when I was showing off my cupping from a. Few weeks ago. A couple weeks ago, it was like, still a problem. And oh shit, I went to this, uh, orthopedist and uh, he was like this hot young, even through his suit, could tell. He was like, ripped orthopedist and like, yeah, no, he was super hot.

And I was like, definitely trying to. Make myself appear as athletic as possible and like talk about how I had a [00:19:00] sports injury and like I, I assumed something was like, maybe not like a tear, but something was like real wrong 'cause it hurts and it's hurt for weeks and it's barely getting better. Um, and he did all the things and he was just like, nah, it's just a little bit of a pulled muscle, like that happens in your shoulder sometimes.

And I was like, fuck you man. Like this is, I'm not. Prepared to be at the point where something hurts this much for this long, and it's like just a little, you know, it's like, man, it's just a little pulled muscle. Not a big deal. 

Tom: What, what was his, he was a what again? A chiropractor, ortho, orthopedist. 

Jonathan: Oh, okay.

Tom: Yeah, yeah. 

Jonathan: Or, or whatever. Orthopedic, you know, doctor, um, I 

Tom: mean, he could be wrong if there's no, like MRI could, he doesn't really know. Well, they got 

Jonathan: an MR mri, but they also thought like. So the, and this is like, he was like, oh, it's not your shoulder. Because I, I put in that it was my shoulder, but it was a few day a week until I could get the appointment.

Right. And so it had been my whole shoulder and then like the pain kind of specifically settled into a different spot, closer to my neck. And so they did an MR mri, but like, or no, they did not do an MR mri. They just did x-rays of my shoulder and Yeah. I even said that 

Tom: won't show anything. Yeah. I said 

Jonathan: that, I was like, why are you doing x-rays?

Like I'll, uh, you're the expert, but I am telling you, it's like a muscle pain health [00:20:00] insurance, 

Tom: they have to, they have to do an x-ray before you can get approved for an M mri. It's so stupid. 

Jonathan: Well, I have a I and insurance. I haven't even been able to get into a pt, so now it's been over a week of like trying to find a fucking pt.

Yeah, that will take our insurance. And it's like I even had one and then it was all lined up and they called me the day of the appointment. They were like, by the way, we just talked to your insurance, and I think that we're actually out of network, so here's all the extra charges. It will be, I'm like.

Yeah. Why are you on the website saying you're in network? And they were straight up like, oh, they don't always update that. You know, that that was just it. So, I'm sorry. Back to the drawing board, like three or four times trying to find a pc. Try the, 

Tom: honestly try this thing 'cause it's uh, okay. Its shoulders is one of the main things that's loosens up.

Jonathan: Okay. 

Tom: Um, yeah. Cool. I'll send it to you. Yeah, yeah, yeah. 

Jonathan: Yeah. I like that. I love my morning stretches. Yeah. I'm impressed that you have the, that you can add something to your morning routine that it's, oh, my morning routine morning is 

Tom: ridiculous. 

Jonathan: Yeah, man. How do you fit in an extra, do you get up earlier now to do an extra 20 minutes of your morning routine?

Tom: I, I have to cut something if I don't, so Yeah. We'll, got cut. The thing that's always in the chopping box, and I'm ashamed to admit it is my [00:21:00] first, uh, TM of the day. Ah. Um, I don't always get the morning one in if I oversleep. 

Jonathan: Yeah. 

Tom: Um, so, but yeah, it's like, you know, two glasses of warm lemon. I don't even want do the whole thing.

No, do it, do it, do it. Let's get big. Do it. Do it. Okay. Do 

Jonathan: it just, just right now as a teaser for a future episode Right now, just list it. Don't, we'll get into all the details later, but right now, just like bullet points, list it, 

Tom: uh, 

Jonathan: you know, p. 

Tom: Brush my teeth. 

Jonathan: Um, don't say it casually like you, like, have to think about it.

If this is a fucking regimented, please 

Tom: brush my teeth. Meditate 20 minutes. Transcendental meditation, uh, two glasses of warm lemon water. The first has, um, uh, what's, what's the, um, are you doing apple cider vinegar? Apple cider vinegar? Yeah. Yeah. In the first one only, I don't know why. Um, and then two glasses of, uh, water with fiber.

Um, so it's four glasses of water. Um, yeah. And then back to back, to 

Jonathan: back to back. Like boom, boom, 

Tom: boom. Yeah. Yeah. And then I do my navage of course, of course. Um, I brush my, I wear a mouthpiece because I have, um, [00:22:00] sleep apnea. Mm-hmm. So I wear a mouthpiece that brings my jaw forward at night so I don't snore.

I have to brush that every morning to clean it. Um, and now I do this, uh, this fascia workout, and then I do some stretches on the bed. 'cause I have, uh, a herniated disc, so I do some stretches to wake up my back in the morning. So, and that's it. Uh, that's it. You're not 

Jonathan: doing, there's no, um. Uh, oil pulling anymore?

No, I cut that. I cut that 

Tom: years ago. Okay. And it's been a while 

Jonathan: since I've actually heard the full rundown. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. 

Tom: They, you know, the science on that is not so great. Yeah. And I was like, I thought 

Jonathan: about that like recently. I was like, is this still a thing? I haven't heard about this in years. Yeah.

Yeah. I, I 

Tom: let, I let go of that. Thanks for asking. 

Jonathan: That's good. I, I've always been impressed. I, I feel 

Tom: like I'm not gonna have any more Tomma fans who wanna, uh, hook up after that. Why Sharing my morning routines? I think it's hot. It's, man, it's such losey. It's like, no, it's like American psycho. It's like 

Jonathan: he was super hot and sexy.

Thank you. Thank you. Do you have a morning routine, man? Uh, yeah. I really, really try to, [00:23:00] first of all, no, not at all. That never in my life have I had one that compares to, to yours. Um, but it, I. Oof. It is the, the test of all tests that I deal with these days because, um, Sydney like does not sleep in any at all anymore.

She's usually in our bed at some point between like four and five. Oh yeah. And then she's awake at six. So ideally I get up at six. I start the coffee, I, while Jen's getting ready, like in the bathroom, I'll sit and like pour the first cup of coffee and then bring my journal, uh, and my headphones down to the office pod room, and I will journal for 10 minutes.

I'll do like a, the calm, like guided meditation or, you know, something I try to do. I do, um, fit on. I try to do like a stretch sometimes in the morning, a 10 to 15 minute stretch. Um, but that's like ideal is to get all those things done and then go back upstairs, like the chances that a. Sydney being so sweet, but all knees and elbows like kept me up from four o'clock on.

Yeah. And be like, is up doing things. And Jen's usually pretty good about like dealing with her. Like she, [00:24:00] they, whatever, they're just kinda like Jen gets ready and Sydney's playing with stuff, but sometimes she needs more than that and Jen has to leave for work. So, and, and it's, to be totally honest, it's um, less often.

Is it like actual, like. Does it impede on my setup? It's just like she's there and it's already set, the whole thing wrong. And like I'm more tired than I'm meant to be, than I, you know, like, and it's like so hard to get my head back around like, okay, I'm gonna go do these things. These like self-care things.

Start my morning when there's a kid running around here now anyway. And like, it just is like. That is the biggest, one of the biggest challenges for me right now is like, I know I have a way that I can set my day off for success. Yeah. I can do these things and I know that, that makes me feel good. And then when it, that starts getting fucked with right away, it like 

Tom: Yeah.

Jonathan: Really has the risk of spiraling far the other way, you know? Yeah. So like, yeah, that's, that's my whole thing right now is like. Try to hold onto that. Try to be okay when that does happen, you know? 

Tom: Yeah. Mean it's, I mean, I can, I can understand 'cause we have the cats and sometimes they wanna be Yeah, yeah.

Jonathan: Say, say more bio. It's the same. [00:25:00] Yeah, yeah, yeah. 

Tom: No, I, I get it. I get it. Yeah. It is, it is hard. I mean, um, I don't have anything to say except that's that. Yeah. I mean, it just is what, you know, you have to, to enjoy that time while you have it, it won't be there forever. 

Jonathan: Yeah. I know. And that's like, I really do think about that.

Like, and everyone has their own heart, first of all. I'm not trying to say that anything's harder than anything else. It just, it like, I'm aware. Of the major swing from what, like I know makes me feel good to then not having it to, to swinging like to the other side of being upset in the morning. And that's like my biggest, I don't know, challenge these days.

It's something I talk about in therapy a lot is like, and it's, this is not a new thought. It's just like so hard for me to really get my mind around, which is like you. It is not about the things that happen to you, it is about how you react to the things that happened to you. Yeah. Yeah. All of, because you can't always change those.

Like the whole, the whole point is how do you react to the things, and I gotta be honest, I spend a lot of time still. It is, it, it's very sneaky and sometimes embarrassingly obvious ways. Like I spend a lot of time being upset about the things that happened to me instead of like realizing like, all right, this is the time that I'm [00:26:00] supposed to work on this moment, not.

The moment before they got ruined that, now I'm upset about him pouting about, you know? 

Tom: Yeah. Yeah. So that's, 

Jonathan: that's my morning. I recently heard a quote 

Tom: from one of the prime ministers of, um, England, uh, I, I can't remember his name. Um, uh, before Margaret. Thatcher, I think. Uh, but he, someone once asked him what the hardest thing about being Prime Minister was, and he said, events.

It's like, same thing about life, I think. Like yeah, life just comes at you. 

Jonathan: Yeah. Yeah. 

Tom: Yeah, man. Um, what, what else have you, what, what have you been encountering this week culture wise? 

Jonathan: You like that transition? Seamless, seamless, seamless, seamless transition? Um, yeah. Well, you were talking about we have, okay.

I, I, I want to balance out for musical theater, but before we do that, I want, this is off the cuff, I didn't even put in the outline, but we saw this movie just now, one of the trailers was for Kiss of the Spiderwoman. Yes. And I don't know that the, I didn't know that was [00:27:00] a, a show within a show. Like, is that, like I, I knew a few songs from that.

Not a show within a show, like, but it's a prison make believe story is how that like, uh, I guess give me without, without spoiling, like what is. Because I was surprised by the, the, the premise of what was happening up there. Yeah, yeah. 

Tom: Well, famous book turned into famous movie, turned into famous Broadway musical, um, and now famous movie of, well, hopefully we'll see.

Famous movie of the, it might be a flop, but, um, uh, yeah, I mean, it, the story takes place in a prison, um, in a Spanish speaking country. I'm not sure if they get specific. The movie might, you know, I'm not, I, I, I don't know the answer to that. I think, I think. The story itself is sort of vague, but I could be wrong, but, um, like at a time of like revolution and, um, so one of the characters lives in his head.

Um, I mean, it's 

Jonathan: Man of the Munch. It's a different, it's, it's, there's similarities. 

Tom: Yeah. 

Jonathan: Okay. Yeah. 

Tom: Yeah. 

Jonathan: I guess there's not putting it on for the whole, like [00:28:00] a, uh, an entire like prison audience or whatever, but it's like, it's, it's, well, it's a, the guy, it's 

Tom: a revolutionary gets put in a cell with a, um. A gay guy who's actually like, uh, dresses up like a woman.

And, um, I think that the new movie's gonna lean into that more than like the Broadway musical did, I think. Yeah. But, um, he's obsessed with the movies and he is, he, he, uh, helps himself deal with the fact that he's in prison by going to Imagination Land in his Okay. In his head. And so I think the movie specifically is gonna, only, from what I understand and what I've read, all the musical numbers are only gonna exist.

In in his head. Yeah. Or maybe other people's heads at some point. But, um, uh, in the show itself, on Broadway, there were numbers that were, uh, sung to each other In the prison cell. Yeah. Okay. Like, like in a regular musical 

Jonathan: genic d uh, uh, DIA. 

Tom: I was dia that's when like, um, a music is on a 

Jonathan: radio. Yeah. The music is organic and the Yeah.

I don't, so not that, I guess. Don't think, not that, no. 

Tom: That it's like a, a book. A book, a book [00:29:00] song. A song. Song in the musical. 

Jonathan: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. This has really turned into a, 

Tom: a study on musical theater. Sorry, to some, some of the audience will like this, but not. Yeah. 

Jonathan: Well I honestly, like that's one of the, it's so funny.

That's what a spot in like my musical theater history. Uh, it's like a blind spot because I know some of the songs, but I just like. I thought it was a, I, if you had asked, I would've said it was very Sunset Boulevard. DE. There's like a, like a, like a, oh, 

Tom: no 

Jonathan: family, like a woman, like a movie star woman. And there's some I don't, I don't know that I didn't know about a prison.

Yeah. I would've been nowhere near the correct story. This, 

Tom: yeah. Yeah. No. Yeah. There's a movie Star woman, but that's about, yeah. 

Jonathan: Yeah. That's the only similarity to it. Yeah. 

Tom: J JLo. Is probably gonna get a supporting actress nomination. 

Jonathan: I mean, she looked pretty good in that 

Tom: trailer. 

Jonathan: She did look good. The trailer I will give it to.

I agree. I agree. Um, alright. But now we gotta talk about football for a second. Yeah. Ugh, that was sucked too much. No, man. I'm having a, it's a weird, uh, uh, a weird spot for me because Alabama football is like maybe gonna be good again this year. And I was, it was really easy for me to [00:30:00] stop caring as much when they weren't as good because I'm kind of like Alabama football is like.

Alabama, the University of Alabama. Alabama. The state is, uh, like, well, the school, at least some of the other, the state is already its own thing, but like it's really tiptoeing towards like real Mel Gibson territory for me, which is like, there's a big part of my. Identity at some point that has like been tied to liking this or, or connecting with it somehow.

And like people used to always tell me that I look like a young male Gibson. And I love that when he was people's sexiest man alive and was like, not a shitbag. And like, he's got too many problems now. He's like too problematic to ignore. He is like, not, he, he, he is gonna to deny the Holocaust and he's gonna be insanely misogynistic and he's gonna be abusive and like that.

There's just too much to ignore there. And Alabama football was like, is like. Moving that way, man. They last spring, the University of Alabama, Donald Trump just tweeted that he was gonna be at the commencement, and they're like, wasn't a way to make that happen in time. But instead of saying they, he, 'cause he just said that like there was no conversation with the university.

He just, just like [00:31:00] Four Seasons Landscaping. Just like four Seasons, you know, whatever. He just tweeted it and they added a ceremony like the next day they added a pre-commencement. Presidential day, whatever thing, like they made up a whole thing for the seniors to attend so that Donald Trump had somewhere to speak.

And like, that's so annoying to me. And Nick Saban, the coach who I admire and love and was so happy to have at Alabama for so long, like sat down with Donald Trump and endorsed, like, there's just like too much, too much going on in that direction. I understand that Alabama's a very red state, but also like this is a.

It's, uh, it a higher learning institution like I, that he hates higher learning. I don't know how you can con conflate how you can, uh, reconcile those things. And also the new coach is in his second year and lost to Vanderbilt last year, which is like just a thing you cannot do and be taking seriously.

Vanderbilt. Cranks out at a lot of very impressive, uh, people and professionals and football is just not one of their strengths. Mm-hmm. And they're like a, they're just historically not good. They're doing pretty well right now, to be honest. Uh, they're [00:32:00] kind of fun to watch, but they're just like, that, that's not a team you can lose to and be the University of Alabama.

And so kind of all that combination of things like, was like, all right, well good. I can kind of have my Saturdays back. I can, I like the, the Eagles fly. Eagles fly. We've got family in, uh, Philadelphia. There's a lot of. Former Alabama players that play for the Eagles now. So I was happy to kinda like lean into the professional side of things.

And then last night, uh, Alabama beat Georgia in a big, big fun, very close, uh, kind of crazy game. Um, and Georgia, uh, I don't know what they were ranked right now, but high, um, they're a's top. Uh, championship contender and Alabama beat them. And it, I'll be fully honest, I'll be, I, I will be honest and say it is harder to stand by my, uh, my moral issues with them when they're fun to watch.

It's like back to round to like, ah, man, it just, I want to kind of be like. Cut and clean of it and be like, you know what? Like, fine you guys. But now it's like, oh, I want, now I get excited to watch 'em again. I, and the guys that are there [00:33:00] aren't the ones that did the, you know, they didn't like, they're not the ones who did the thing, like, I don't know, plus the CTE of it all.

Like I know, it's like we just supposed supposed to be watching 

Tom: it all, to be honest. 

Jonathan: Yeah. I don't know. I mean, I don't know. Are we supposed, are we not supposed to be? We supposed to be, I don't know. 

Tom: I mean, Nick Bossa. 

Jonathan: On the other side of that, you got Jason Kelsey. You got both Kelsey's that seem like pretty good guys.

Uh, and Landon 

Tom: Dickerson 

Jonathan: and yeah, roll Tide, Alabama and Jalen her the quarterback for the Eagles. He recently, I don't think we've talked about this on here yet. He turned down a. Big old paycheck from like a development company. I'm gonna get the part, this is very no homo information right here. Like, uh, the, the details of this are gonna be wrong, but like a, a real estate company, a development company, uh, in Philly offered him millions of dollars and he turned it down because they're like a known gentrifier of, they, they, what they do is go and they, they gentrified these areas of Philly and he was like, no, that's, I'm not gonna take your money.

And so he's got an all female, uh, staff, like his agency is all female and he's like. Crushing it. Nick Ana, the coach is a good guy. [00:34:00] Anyway. I like the Eagles love. Yeah. Yeah. Big EA fan. Yeah. 

Tom: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, uh, yeah, we should, we should keep exploring that. We talked about talking about CTE at some point.

Yeah. And maybe we should, uh, I don't know. I mean, I'm not like the biggest football fan in the world, and when I do watch, it's, uh, more for the eye candy. Uh, but I understand and appreciate the, um, joy of watching and I understand the, um. The fact that it brings families together and community together to watch.

And I think that's a good thing. And to 

Jonathan: it's, to be honest, that's a really, that's a one of the sticking points for me too, is because, you know, last week we were talking about my, my dad. Yeah. And for a long time, like one of the things we had was like. Football, sports, you know, like, yeah. And he's, he's pretty in.

And I, I like, I don't really keep up, I don't have the bandwidth or the brain that works that way to keep up with like, all of the stats and all the things going on. But I like being a fan of sports and it gave us something to, the men in my family can all talk about sports. My dad and I could talk about sports, you know, even when things were like, um, like [00:35:00] post-election, last Christmas season.

Like that's kind of, we, we agreed to be like, well let's talk about, let's just talk sports. Like let's just not do the rest. We're gonna, we wanna. Have Christmas, you know, we want to be able to be cool. And he agreed, like we, we just kinda like kept it at that. And we would watch football, you know? 'cause there were, yeah, the, the bowl games, the kinda championship time was happening around then.

And yeah, you're right. There's like a lot of, a lot of problems around it. There's a lot. I, you know, I don't, I don't know, like, and then I lose like, well a, I lose the thing that I can talk to my dad about also. Like, I don't know how great I feel about there being like. A surface level thing that we can talk about when there's so much nons surface level stuff to talk about, you know?

Tom: Well, has there been any, 'cause you got pretty, uh, vulnerable bro last week. Ah, nice man. Was there any fallout from it or anything you. Happened after you felt after. 

Jonathan: Um, well let me start by saying I feel very seen and appreciated that you finally got that right. I really appreciate it. Thank you very much.

Where I can tell that you worked on it and it feels good to, it feels good to hear you say Vulner bros. Correctly. Oh, I [00:36:00] got it right? Yeah. You nailed it. 

Tom: Oh, wow. Yeah. And you 

Jonathan: didn't, you weren't even sure. Well then I feel sorry actually. Good. Um, yeah, no, you nailed it that time. Oh, good. Um, uh, and the, the truth is though, no, like we haven't talked, I talked to my mom some, my mom, um.

Well, my mom saw the, the, the post that I put up, the reel that I put up on Instagram. I don't even know if they have, if she listens to the, the pod at all. Mm-hmm. Um, you know, and I, I, if, if she tried and did not make it past Gooning, I kind of understand. That's okay. Um, mom, no, no harm, no foul. Um, uh, but the truth is n no.

And I don't know, man, like. I'm, I think that I'm gonna, I, I don't, I don't know. I don't know what to do. I don't want to talk to him because we don't have a good, like, this is not a thing we have established because our family didn't talk about stuff. And so it's hard now a, I feel kind of hypocritical to be here doing all of this and not talking to my own father who I disagree with [00:37:00] vehemently about a lot of things.

And also I just have an entire lifetime of history. That tells me, it, it, it's not going to go well. And so I don't really know. I don't know. It's like I go back and forth all the time on am I, am I doing the smart thing by like trying to not get overly attached to something that I, I have plenty of reason to believe will not go well or am I like cheating myself out of.

And all of those, all of the emotions involved in that. The, the, you know, the hope that it gets better and also the down the, the, the fall that comes with it. If it doesn't, um, I don't know. I go back and forth all the time on like, is the healthier, what's the, I don't know. I think I spent a long time trying to be like, oh, I am more.

I am, I'm growing learning to be a, a stoic, and I'm learning to understand that I can separate myself from these things and not get emotionally and like my emotions don't take over. But then that ends up on the other side of like, I feel like I, [00:38:00] with enough mindful work, I end up right back where a lot of men are, which is like, we're not gonna feel feelings.

We're not gonna, we're gonna stay right here so we can stay strong and we can stay what, whatever goal oriented, but we're not gonna feel the feelings and I don't know, um. I, I think that, well, I know for a fact that, um, my therapist would say no, the better, the stronger and more fulfilling journey through life is to feel all of them.

Mm. And feeling them lets them like exist and then they can move on and they don't stay like squeezed over in a corner all the time. Mm-hmm. But I don't know. I do you, I do you, how, how do you deal with moving through your emotions? How do you deal? Do you have a history? I don't know, like. Yeah, I feel like you're pretty good about it, but I don't know where you come from with it, where you, uh, 

Tom: no, I mean, yes.

No, uh, I mean, I feel like we have, we talked a, I talked a little bit about this last week. We have similar like family stuff in that, like we didn't talk about everything as a family. [00:39:00] Um, but, uh, also like my parents tr still, I said this last week, they, they tried and they succeeded at a lot of things. So this isn't at all like, um.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. This isn't, this isn't that. Um, and it, it's just, uh, like, you know, um, talking about really hard things is not easy in my family, I think. Yeah. Um, but, um, when it has happened, um, when I've had to like, push through it or, and make it happen on my end, um, my family has done a good job of showing up.

For me in those moments. Um, but, um, and then, yeah, so I don't know, but it, it, like, I, I, I don't know. I, I compartmentalize, I think in a way that's not healthy. Um, yeah, when I was, uh, when I first came out to myself and I, I moved to New York and went to college and I was out. I was out. I told people I was out, but I still compartmentalized sex.[00:40:00] 

And so at the time there was like a OL chat rooms and I would like just meet guys on a OL chat rooms and hook up. And so like, I think, 'cause there was still shame maybe around being gay. Um, so like my friends knew I was gay, but there was only like one guy in college that I had any sort of something with that people knew about.

Otherwise it was all just like something I did in secret. Um. So, yeah, I don't know. And like, uh, I think for me, emotion wise, um, I hold anger in, I try to, like, I, I, I like things to be peaceful. I don't like confrontation. Um, and so I hold anger in to a fault and I let things, um, brew and then when they come out, uh, they come out in a way that is sometimes irreparable.

Um, so we're trying to work on that. Um, but uh, yeah. 

Jonathan: Yeah, I think that's like. I don't know. We've talked about it with like professionally before too. Like, you know, I, I, I felt like when I was an actor, I had kind of like evolved [00:41:00] to a place, oh, this is how I thought about it. I had evolved to a place where I could audition and I could know that I wanted this job if it was like a cool job, if it was something that I wanted to do, but I'm not gonna, I, I'm not going to get attached.

And then if, if I do or don't book it, if I do book it, great, I'm gonna do the work and then I'm gonna step back and I'm not gonna be attached anymore. And that's really, that is because that, that is a safety mechanism because if I get my hopes up, yeah, then it hurts to either not get the role or to get cut out of something or whatever it is.

You know, like there's that pain. For a long time I thought like. Oh, as a professional, this, since this is what I do, I need to get, I need to separate my emotions from the yes or no of the job. Yeah. And I think that bleeds over into my real life too, about like, it's okay, let me, let me separate my, let me not, let me not hope, let me not get excited about a thing.

Yeah. Because I just like, it feels, it feels more mature to expect that it might go wrong and then be okay with that if it does. And then, you know, like. I, I am, I am learning slowly and, uh, as try as I might to not admit this, [00:42:00] like, it's just, it's messy. It need it, it's all messy. The, the, yeah. The better living is gonna be messy.

The, it's compartmentalizing. I mean, I am a professional compartmentalizer and like I'm learning more and more that you gotta let that open or for me, I gotta let that open and like, it's messy and it feels weird and it's hard to deal with. It's hard to define and it's hard to get some through some of these things, but also like.

I certainly, I mean, I don't, I don't have, there's no doctor that has said this, but my cortisol levels feel like they're high all the time, and like I, I could feel myself get stressed and it's like I gotta like. I think that comes from like trying to box so many things up and keep it in such a neat order.

Tom: Tm, I'm telling you, I know I've been telling you for a long time. Yeah. I just listened to a podcast about it this week actually. Um, yeah, that about how, uh, and I had forgotten this stat. I remember, I learned it when I got trained. Uh, TM scientifically is proven to lower cortisol in the body. Okay. Yeah. Um.

Yeah, man. Should we, should we, uh, speaking of cortisol, should we talk about one battle after another? Do you wanna do, well, do you 

Jonathan: [00:43:00] wanna do, 

Tom: do speaking 

Jonathan: of 

Tom: cortisol? Do you wanna do Oh, who you fight? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Sorry. 

Jonathan: Sorry. 

Tom: Uh, should I sing us in? Yeah, 

Jonathan: yeah. What should I sing us in? What are you doing, boy?

The Sunday matinee is a weird show. Who would you fight? 

Tom: Who would you fight? Pow pow. Ooh. I, yeah, it was like a trail off. Yeah, 

Jonathan: I like it. 

Tom: I wanna fight rollercoasters.

Do you know what I have? I have never liked them, uh, as a child. I didn't like them as an adult. I don't like them. Um, I think rollercoasters are stupid. Um, I do, I think, uh, I, I have a lot of my feed gives me, uh, a lot of. Insta, uh, rollercoasters that have malfunctioned. Um, and so I've been seeing a lot of death on rollercoasters coming through my way.

And, uh, I just, I think it's time we pull the plug. They're not safe. They're not smart. Uh, I [00:44:00] just, I just, uh, I've never enjoyed doing them and I don't like them and I fight them. 

Jonathan: I, I have to say that, uh, in our outline under Who would you fight? It just says Tom Rollercoasters, and I've been so excited to.

To learn what fills that in. What else goes with that? No, it's just shred of rollercoasters. You're just finding roller coasters. What did you think it was? I don't know. Like the people who ran this one or this? Like the names of this one or something? Something that was more like, no, just back in rollercoasters.

Oh, rollercoasters. 

Tom: I've been on Quan likes rollercoasters, and I've been on a crusade to change his mind. Oh. And so I, I send him these videos that I see on my feed. I think I, I think it's worked. Why can't you, why, why do you feel good about that? Why can love him? Why you just not like them? Why can't you not like 

Jonathan: them?

Tom: Because I love him and I want him to live. Like, I don't trust them. I don't trust them. That's why I'm not, not, I'm not trying to be mean. I'm trying to save his life. 

Jonathan: I, I want to find out the, because I love roller coasters and, oh, Caleb, uh, wants to love rollercoasters and, and gets pretty, like he's done a couple of like kid ones.

Yeah. [00:45:00] You know, and it's like. Tough for him. Okay, good. I'm 

Tom: gonna send you, there's a father's son one out there. That's pretty. 

Jonathan: Okay, good. I'll send you a fucking car crash, dude. I'll send you a fucking plane crash. Do you wanna just watch videos of people die and doing regular shit like it happens? I'm, I'm just trying to save your life.

Let's look statistically, let's look. I'm gonna, okay, next week we're gonna come up, we're gonna do some research, some a no homo amount of research on statistical death, probability, uh, rollercoasters, and then some other normal shit. And we're seeing where it falls. We'll see. And if it's more probable than riding in a car.

Then we will talk. 

Tom: Uh, okay. Uh, okay. Who, who are you fighting this week? 

Jonathan: Well, I, I, I just, this is a brand, a brand new and fresh. Fresh hot off the presses coming from the movies right now. I wanna fight. Um, I, and I'm not exactly sure who to pinpoint here, but whoever's decision it is that we need to get paper straws at the movie theater.

But then also when you get a bag of candy, each individual candy inside the bag of candy is wrapped in more plastic. So it's like. And an exponentially more amount [00:46:00] of plastic waste in this bag of chocolate. Yeah. And then I have to like eat my, I have to have like, uh, uh, a mealy, like makes my teeth itch the straw.

I hate paper straws. They like, yeah. It makes my, it makes my, I don't know how else to say than it makes my teeth itch. Yeah. And I hate them so much. I mean, I guess maybe there's the fear that the chocolate will all 

Tom: Mel melt together. 

Jonathan: I mean, what they do for years, it's been a thing like, and okay, so this is a Kit Kat, so yes, it's like a chocolate outside, but they used to do the little bites that were like, I, I don't know.

It worked. Yeah, it was, it 

Tom: was, you know, I don't, it was a lot of plastic for sure. It was a 

Jonathan: pile. It was an embarrassing pile of plastic. Yeah. Yeah. And a little limp ass paper straw. Like what a. Uh, that's who I wanna fight. Um, anyway, yes. Uh, do you wanna talk? I mean, I 

Tom: loved it. 

Jonathan: Yeah. One battle 

Tom: after another.

A great American movie. Uh, I, I, I mean, I, you have to go see it. Yeah. It was so fucking good. Yeah. What did we just see? 

Jonathan: Yeah. I don't know. An epic. An epic [00:47:00] American tale. Yeah. Yeah, it is. So. I mean, let's just talk about it, right? So this is spoilers of Sunder because we're, 'cause we're gonna talk about it now.

Okay. I didn't know what the fuck was going on. I didn't know like it starts, I don't know really who's. So I don't know who we're watching really. In, in a way that I like, like yeah. 

Tom: Yeah. 

Jonathan: Leo comes in, he is like really kinda the only white guy in this, this little thing that happens. It feels like he's kind of an outsider.

I felt like he was like, maybe like a um, like a vendor. Like he was coming in and be like, Hey, you guys are doing a, you guys are doing a raid. I got some, uh, bombs. You wanna use some bombs? Yeah. Um, and so they, they set that up. He's kind of his own thing. But then they clearly have a connection. Right. You know, right away.

Yeah. And, and that Sean Penn character, what a weirdo. 

Tom: Yeah. 

Jonathan: What a fun Sean Penn was great. Yeah. The 

Tom: performances are great. Across the board. Yeah, across the 

Jonathan: board. It's fun too, because I look, I'll be honest, my, and to kind of harken back my dad's. Uh, the, the, the, the, the what is in your craw when you get a thing?

Did we we did this. We did, yeah. Cross your 

Tom: C craw. 

Jonathan: What is, uh, stuck in your 

Tom: craw, stuck in 

Jonathan: your c [00:48:00] craw? What's stuck in his craw is, uh, Antifa. Yeah. Right. And then this is like, this is like a freedom. Yeah. A freedom revolutionary terrorist or terrorist south. So is this 

Tom: a thing? 

Jonathan: Is that out there? I don't know.

Because then, because I was like, fuck, man. Like, this is, I, I like what we're doing so far. Also like, ah, we're gonna watch this, this like. This domestic terrorism cell. Yeah. Which is doing stuff like freeing people from, uh, uh, migration camps, uh, immigration, uh, holding cells like horrible, you know, it's like not the worst things to be doing.

Also not legal. So it's like, and they start blowing stuff up and they're doing, you know, other like revolutionary kind of stuff. But then I, I don't know. I don't, I was sitting there going like, I don't know about banks and buildings being blown up with this kind of regularity. Yeah. This, with this kind of messaging.

So. I, I think maybe that's not happening. I don't know, but to some degree maybe it is, and then we get into like, 

Tom: no, I think we would know, or I, it seems like we would know, right? Yeah. 

Jonathan: I kind of wonder if some of these people, like the argument would be like, no, the media doesn't want you to know. Not that I believe that, but I'm saying like, this is like, [00:49:00] you know, that's some of that's gonna come in there.

I I just often 

Tom: worry like, the left doesn't have guns or, yeah. Like, have the wherewithal to do all this. Well, 

Jonathan: that's, because that's the ones that, like, I love that in the, in the, what is he called? Like a liberal, a fucking liberal, like. Leo, like a revolutionary. Yeah. Call somebody a liberal something or another at some point.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Totally. Totally. Yeah. But there's also that like, it like really does all of the, it's a, it's a such a grounded, real story. Yeah. But in these, the boogeyman on both sides, like what we're watching is the white sup supremacy top, the top tier of deep state white supremacy and like. Deep rooted revolutionaries.

Yeah. And like, I mean. What did he, what did Benicio del Toro call it? The, the Latina Harriet Tubman. Yeah. We like, and like, kind of like, uh, that the movement of immigrants through, you know, like it was all, and it was done so raw and [00:50:00] like grounded and realistically that I, you know, it's like, I don't know, man.

Maybe all of these things exist. Maybe some version of them do. I don't know. 

Tom: I mean, I also walked away thinking like, we still fucking have the culture. We still have the culture. Yeah. Um, and that felt good. Like that movie is definitely on. Um, yeah. I mean, it's clear who the good guys are in that movie.

Yeah. Do you know what I mean? 

Jonathan: Yeah. 

Tom: Um, it's a, it was, it's a, it's a fucking ride, first of all. Yeah. It like grabs you by the seat of your pants and doesn't let go. Um, it's long. It's, it feels like multiple movies in one. Yeah. And it keeps kind of changing what kind of a movie it is in the best possible way.

Um. And it's funny as fuck too. It's 

Jonathan: so funny. Yeah. It's crazy to get into it and then start laughing and be like, I think No, I think we're supposed, it's supposed to be funny. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, it's, it's, uh, it's uh, uh, PTA, right? Uh, yeah. Paul Thomas Anderson. Yeah. So it's like kind of kooky, but it's a, it's like a, it's a, a gr like a raw.

Action movie. Yeah. But in a kooky Thomas Anderson kind of way. Its 

Tom: very cool with, its with its finger on the immediate pulse of our current moment. Yeah, [00:51:00] yeah, yeah, yeah. It's, uh, it's, it's something to be, not to be missed. Uh, yeah. I think I, I can't believe I've already talked about how fucking good I think sinners is.

Um, I told you today, we just rewatched, it's on HBO max now. Um, and the rewatch, I loved sinners the first time, and I loved it even more the second time, and I can't wait to watch it again. And now I'm not sure. I mean, both of these movies will be nominated for Best Picture. Yeah. And I'm just like, this is, uh, I feel excited about movies this year.

Suddenly 

Jonathan: finish your whole statement. I think that it's worth the no homo audience to say what you said. You can't believe that this and Sinners and then also and 

Tom: Wicked part two, if it's, it's as good as part one. That's a great year for movies if for one. Yeah. Yeah. Also anti-fascist coded, I wanna point out Yeah, for sure.

Very anti-fascist coded, like we still, we still have the culture. 

Jonathan: Yeah. 

Tom: Um, and that's something, 'cause that, uh, it, that is something that's where ideas start. That's where hearts are changed. Yeah. Yeah. So, uh, yeah, I'm excited about movies this year. 

Jonathan: [00:52:00] Yeah. Yeah. That's the first time I've been to the movie in a long time.

And it was a good one. Like, 'cause it, I understand where. Comic book movies have their place and understand where, you know, start, where, where big, those kind of epic actions have their place and they need to be seen in the theater. Yeah. I think the last movie I saw in the theater might have been Maverick.

Um, yeah. Which needed to be seen in the theater. Yeah. And this is one that like, is, is it's a, it's a, hmm. It's, it's not on a very personal scale. You're in these people's faces. It's not so big and epic, but the scope of the story is huge. And the, the action scenes and the, the, the things are huge and it, I think is worth.

And we were talking about some of the times that like. It is taking you on a ride for real. Like it is you. It's, I think it's worth seeing in on the big screens. You have Chance. I do too. I do 

Tom: too. Yeah. Highly recommend it. Um, it was a fun little, uh, bro date. It was. I'm glad we got a bro date and it was nice.

Yeah, me too. Even though we didn't barely talk 'cause we were in a movie. 

Jonathan: Yeah. But that feels nice, right? Yeah, yeah, totally. I even like, I checked my phone like once or twice. I was like, I'm not gonna, no phones. No phones. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. 

Tom: Yeah, [00:53:00] I did too. It's a shame. Um, all right, well, you want, shall I read this out this week?

Jonathan: Yeah, please read this out. All right. 

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Jonathan: Thanks, man. I appreciate it. Nice work. I love you. Thanks. Love you too. Bye. 

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