Ted Lasseaux

Jonathan and Tom show up in full costume for this week’s Halloween episode, swapping stories of recent party antics and childhood Halloween disasters. A magical encounter at a party rekindles their connection to Kambo, leading to a candid reflection on their past experience with the Amazonian medicine.

Transcript

Jonathan: [00:00:00] What's up? What's up?

Well, this is no Homo with Jonathan and Tom. I'm Jonathan. 

Tom: Wait, let's start over. No, 

Jonathan: go. 

Tom: All right. Let's not start over. This is, this is gonna be a good one. What happened? This is no Homo with Jonathan and Tom. I'm still Jonathan. I'm Tom. I think this is episode number 19 and we are recording this episode on Monday, October 27th after a weekend.

A 

Jonathan: weekend. Yeah. All of this will make sense soon. I hope. I hope that you'll forgive us. Whoever's here listening. Um, I, I love that we, we have whole things going on. We came with more production value with costumes, and then just absolutely fumbled out the gate. I think 

Tom: what happened is when it was time to go, I just looked at you in that, in that look, and I was like, what 

Jonathan: the fuck?

Oh, because the problem is I wasn't holding my whip up, so it doesn't really make as much sense. Woo. Now this [00:01:00] is the, you've ever looked. 

Tom: Now, now you've done it. 

Jonathan: I should have known props would be what got me there. 

Tom: Yeah. Yeah. Did the whip come out the other night? I don't remember the whip. No. It was 

Jonathan: attached.

It was, it was fully attached. Well, I, I started attached because I just like, well, I was expecting them to be more, um, worried about bringing a whip into the venue, but nobody cared. Nobody cared at all. No. That was the least. Uh, the, the least, uh, intense security ever at a party ever. Yeah, 

Tom: yeah, yeah. It felt like we were being cattle, being herded.

They just wanted to get in there as fast as possible. Yeah, it was crazy. It was crazy. 

Jonathan: We, because well, we'll get into it. We'll get into it. Well, but, um. Yeah. Uh, the secret's out about getting to this party early, which was a big bummer, but also it makes sense. You were telling me why that ends up happening.

But let's, let's save that for the, the stuff that's just a little teaser. That's an opening teaser, 

Tom: little teaser. Why don't we start, you have a little correction corner for us. I do have a correction 

Jonathan: corner, uh, real quick. Uh, the podcast that I was [00:02:00] talking about last week about cults, is it a cult or whatever I called it?

The podcast is, sounds like a cult. Amanda Montel is the, uh, main host. There's a couple other co-hosts whose names I don't know, but it's a great podcast. It's got a lot of different, it covers the game and sometimes, you know, it says, um, I forget what the things, I didn't even get this part, but, so I got some of it and I don't know the rest, but it's like, there're like three categories.

It's like. A okay. Which means it's not a cult. It might be an MLM or something, but it's not a cult. Uh, watch your back, which means, eh, getting kind of close to culty or girl you in trouble. Amazing. Which means you're in a cult. Get out. Um, so yeah, sounds like a cult with Amanda Monell. Um, I just put another one on here because I just put CrossFit on here.

Uh, I feel like you don't ever need to feel like. You need to let me talk that long about CrossFit ever again. I feel like I just wanna apologize for getting so inside baseball about like the inner workings of CrossFit. Um, but I do have one more that is like more, um, genuine. Yeah. Uh, in listening back to our episode, I.

I noticed that I, uh, cut you off when you were [00:03:00] talking about bears getting older and them being hot for the first time. I thought you were talking about what, like, in my head, the way it was going was you were talking about other people and the way you observed it, and I was ready to like, move on and talk about Atlas and kinda keep that going.

But then the last second you said, or at least that's what you experienced, uh, do. Was that a personal, uh, journey about like, look, not realizing you were hot until later in life, till you were Uh, yeah. I mean, I wasn't, 

Tom: I wasn't so. I don't think it was about realizing, I think it was about just fact, but, um, but yeah, but also what I've noticed from watching other people realize that they're hot at an older age.

Jonathan: Yeah, for sure. Um, yeah. Which I just felt like I felt like a dick if I, um, I, I mean it wasn't on purpose, but I didn't leave any space to recog to recognize that was like about you. I just thought we were talking about other bears and then I was talking about other dudes and moved on through it. But, um. I didn't give you any chance to, to sit that, so sorry.

Yeah, I 

Tom: appreciate that. Yeah. I mean, also I wouldn't say that I'm hot right now either, but I'm definitely, I right now, I growing into myself right 

Jonathan: now, I'd absolutely say that you're [00:04:00] hot. This is the best you've ever looked. This is nice. Thanks, man. 

Tom: You have a Santa Fetish too. A lot of people out there apparently have, Santa Fetishes is something I learned this weekend.

Jonathan: That can't be a surprise. There's like a Santa's like a, like a. Dom and a furry go together. You know, it's like, like a, yeah. And a daddy. And a daddy, yeah. Like a, like a 

Tom: real, and he has gifts and you sit on his lap. I'm saying. I'm saying it's a whole thing. 

Jonathan: Yeah. Rewards and punishments, you know. 

Tom: Alright.

Well, should we tell people why we're dressed this way? 

Jonathan: Yes. Yes. 

Tom: No. 

Jonathan: We should let, let it run. For, for the listeners who aren't watching on YouTube, go watch this on YouTube. We need the views. But, uh, Tom is wearing a, uh, a Santa themed Hawaiian shirt. Basically like, it's like a, an open, nice, nice chest showing.

It's got Santa like surfing, I think. Yeah, there's some nipples and a nice chest. Yep. Yep. Uh, some, it's got waves on it, so it's like, it's like beach Santa. He is wearing, uh uh. I don't, what are those wraparound sunglasses? Like Cool. Uh, like 

Tom: bro, real broy, like very 

Jonathan: broy, very baseball. Very, yeah. [00:05:00] Uh, sunglasses, a Santa hat.

Um, and obviously the signature beard. Um, and you are, do you want to, do you want to, uh, announce your title? I do. I'm 

Tom: gonna take the sunglasses off now. I 

Jonathan: am Malibu 

Tom: Santa for Halloween this year. Malibu Santa. Uh, yeah. Inspired by our friend Forest, uh, who called me that one night and I was like. That's my Halloween costume.

Jonathan: Uh, so yeah. Perfect. Well, um, good call for and great motivation for a great costume. And it, I feel like it was a hit. I feel like people, it, I think it was 

Tom: too, yeah, I, I think it went over well. Yeah. I passed out little, uh, drink umbrellas as Santa's gift. Oh, you mean these to, uh, yep. To, to good boys. Well, mostly good boys.

A couple of good girls, but 

Jonathan: yeah. 

Tom: Mostly good boys got, I think you were, you were kind enough 

Jonathan: to give one to Jen, but yeah, it was mostly good boys I think. Got these right. Yeah. Yeah. 

Tom: Yeah. And then for the listeners at home, Jonathan is dressed like Indiana Jones. That's right. Complete with hat and whip and one sleeve torn off.

Yeah. Uh, 

Jonathan: and open chest. Yep. Um. Yeah. So, [00:06:00] uh, uh, Jen was there with me and she actually had this idea, so shout out to Jen, the costumes. She was a snake and I was Indiana Jones. Yeah. And she was a, uh, a very sexy snake. Very sexy. You guys killed 

Tom: it this year. Thanks. It was a lot of fun. Jen killed it. Her hair.

I thought that her hair was like, yeah. The finishing touch. 

Jonathan: Yeah, absolutely. It looked, it looked really good. Um. And well, yeah, it was, it was fun. So let's talk about, let's talk about City of Gods. How are you? Yeah. So, 

Tom: so that's where we went this past weekend, which is, uh, why I think we're a little bit of a mess today.

Uh, 'cause we're still recovering. We were out very late. Uh, we went to a Halloween party, uh, called City of Gods. This was my, uh, seventh I've realized. Um, I've been to all of them since they started doing them. Uh, this is your third, I think. 

Jonathan: Yep. Yeah. Or fourth. Well, at the ballroom. What was that? Was that, was that a different party or was that City of God?

Uh, so 

Tom: yeah, it used to be at Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay. This is your third? Yeah. Um, yeah, so it used to be City of God used to be done at, um, so this is only my sixth actually. Who cares? Why am I, like [00:07:00] literally no one listening to this? Cares how many times I've been to see your house? Someone's like, 

Jonathan: wait a second.

I've been to eight in a row. And Tom was definitely not at the one, seven years ago. 

Tom: I'm just like gonna spend a lot of time trying to figure it out. Um, yeah. So, uh, uh, the first one they ever did was in 2017 and they used to have it at Grand Prospect Hall and we make you 

Jonathan: a Dr. What was it? Dreams, fantasies.

Yeah. We make your dreams come true. We make a dreams come true. Yes. 

Tom: Uh, ver a a venue that was around for a long time. The building itself was very old. It was like a mansion in the middle of, uh, uh, um, park Slope. Um, and like four floors, I think. Um, yeah, four floors. Uh, you could have, I, I went to a wedding there once.

There were bar mitzvahs there, you could rent it out for different, um, uh, events. And it really used to 

Jonathan: have the, the most, the most banger of banger commercials of local commercials in New York. It was, it was the prime premium commercial. 

Tom: Yeah. It was the, the old couple that owned it. Yeah. Owned it.

Standing on the grand marble staircase that you walked in saying, we make your dreams come true. [00:08:00] And, uh, anyways, uh, city of God's is a burner. Burner party. It's thrown by a bunch of Burning Man camps who come together with, um, a house of Yes. Uh, which has a lot of Burning Man connections itself. Mm-hmm.

And, um, zero, which is also a, a, a party promoter that throws, um, burner parties. And, um, but in, in addition to those two, they come, they bring in a bunch of, um, burning Man camp's, costume cult district, uh. Glam Cox, 

Jonathan: Mayan. 

Tom: Mayan Warrior. Yeah. Um, so, and, and, and basically they take over, um, a lot of fucking space at Industry City, uh, in Brooklyn.

So the party, uh, happened for three years at, um, grand Prospect Hall, and they literally took over the entire mansion. So it was like, uh, it was half the number of people. It was about 3000 people I think, who went to that. And it was two nights and you could just literally explore this mansion and every room had something else going on in it.

The big rooms all had different DJs, so there were like four different sound stages at least. Um, I loved to do it when it was at that venue. The [00:09:00] venue itself was so special and um, yeah, uh, it was really, really a fantastic place for that party. But they tore down that building during the pandemic to replace it with condos, which is a huge loss to New York City.

Jonathan: Yeah. 

Tom: And, uh, they moved the party. Uh, I think they took two or three years off, uh, two for the pandemic. And then, uh, yeah, I guess we just keep focusing on years. Really tight details. Who cares? They took, they, they took some years off 'cause we had a pandemic and then I think there was one year where they, they hadn't found a space yet, so they didn't do it.

Uh, that was when we went to that other party, which you've come to me for the last, the last three years they've been at Industry City, uh, which is, um, by the way, anybody 

Jonathan: watching, if anybody, if you're watching on YouTube, our, our little opening thing, most of that is our Halloween costumes. Right. I think there's like a Pride party picture in there, but like a lot of the pictures from our little montagey thing at the opening.

Oh, yes, yes. A lot of it is our, our Halloween costumes over the years. 

Tom: That's right. Or just stuff we wear when we hang out. Uh, so. So yeah, [00:10:00] they've been doing it in Industry City. For those who don't know, industry City are these big, big BA buildings. There's like four of them in a row, uh, in Red Hook on the water in Brooklyn.

Um, and they're, uh, huge warehouses and they house also, um, I think on the. The upper floors, like artist studios and Yeah. Um, you'll find like furniture, uh, outlets there and, uh, it's a good place to go if you're looking for a, a less expensive sofa or a bed or something. But, um, they take over like two banks, two whole, um, building buildings.

Giant warehouse buildings. Yeah. Buildings. Yeah. The, the bottom floor. Uh, and, and now it carries, I've heard 6,000, I've heard 8,000. There were a lot of freaking people. There was a lot of people this year. There was a lot of people 

Jonathan: this year, a 

Tom: lot of people, uh, they do the party two nights in a row, uh, Halloween weekend.

I don't know why they didn't do this coming weekend except 'cause the second night 

Jonathan: would've been after Halloween. Yeah. It's always weird to party on the first. Like it's, I agree that it's weird to do that. So I think they made the right call. 

Tom: Okay. So, um, we used to go two nights in a row. Now we only go [00:11:00] one night because my trove has, um, cutoff.

Us going two nights, which is probably smart. 

Jonathan: Wait, hold on a second. But he's, he's doing that for your sake. He's doing that on your behalf. He's keeping you from injuring yourself or making life worse for you. He is not. Let's be very, very clear. I I, it's smart for him to not go to, it's smart for nobody over the age of 40 to go two nights in a row.

That's, it's a lot. It's a lot. 

Tom: Yeah. Listen. It's a good party. Um, it's a good party. Yeah. So, uh, yeah, this was our third time going. Third time for you and Jen coming together, right? Yes. Yep. Just more numbers, please. Back more statistics, uh, dates, phone numbers. Dates, please. Dates and statistics, dates. So we were out very late, obviously.

You can tell. Uh, okay. Some, some, some review I have of City of Gods this year. 

Jonathan: Great. 

Tom: Yeah. Um, it's, it's a fucking lot. It's a big ass party. Yeah. Yeah. Um. And like, uh, the most fun I had is when we would just settle in a place. Yeah. And all be hanging [00:12:00] out together for a while. Like the moving from room to room gets a little bit much.

Yeah. Um, because it's a lot of traffic and people to deal with. But, um, I love the different people that are there. I love seeing the creativity and the costumes. Yeah. And the actual, it's a good crowd 

Jonathan: for costume and the production value. Yeah. The production value of the party is insane. It just, where you look is.

The, the, the, the coordination and logistics of that? Yeah. I have no idea. That's what, uh, our friend Matt, well our, our graphic designer in music, uh, mu uh, composer, uh, we just, multiple times throughout the night, he would just say, how much do you think this room costs? What? Like, what, like what does it take to Totally, what's the production of this?

It's insane. It's really impressive. 

Tom: It's so impressive. And they must, they obviously must be banking a profit or they wouldn't keep doing it. Yeah. And the camps all get involved. 'cause I think it's a fundraiser for the camps to get to Burning Man. Mm. And so the camps are also contributing, like I, I'm assuming like.

District pays for the decorations and districts room. Yeah, yeah. Um, but they share all, share in some of the profit and so it's a huge undertaking and, um, very impressive. Yeah. There's [00:13:00] nothing quite like it I've been told by multiple people. Um, my friend Sharkie, who is with us visiting from London, this is like the fifth date and statistics, please, dates and statistics.

Fifth time he's come to City of Gods, he lives in London. Flew in for it. Um, and he always says, no one parties Halloween. No one does Halloween, like New York City. And I think, yeah, city of God's might be the epitome of that. Yeah. Um, some, some reactions I had. Um, uh, there were a lot of lampshades this year.

A lot of lampshade. I don't know. I dunno if I missed a, a thing, a memo. Um. There was a guy who had literally a wireless lampshade. Mm-hmm. That was like five feet tall, that he came and just plopped down wherever he went. 

Jonathan: And he was like in a suit. Right. He was like, kind of a damper, like I don't, I don't know if he, I didn't know what he was doing.

I dunno if he was like Fred Astaire. I mean Jean, uh, I don't know. I don't know what he was doing, but he had a lampshade, it wasn't like a lampshade, it wasn't a light post. It was an indoor lampshade. 

Tom: Yeah. Then a lot of people with lit lampshade hats or, yeah. Uh, so yeah, I'm cool on lampshades for next year if you're listening.

Uh, and also I'm really cool. [00:14:00] Really cool on gay Romans. All the gays come and their little Roman costumes, their togas, whatever, that they, their little vines that they ordered on Amazon. I just feel like city of God, you have to step it up a little bit more than a gay Roman. Like it's, there's, there were 50 at least that I 

Jonathan: saw.

Yeah. And like if you've got a good body, that's cool. Yeah, of course. Find a, find a sexy, manly. So totally thing to do with your body. Show it off. But like, yeah. Roman, Roman's a little dated. Roman's a little, a little basic. You can do it. Yeah. Yeah, I think so too. You gotta good body find it. But yeah, use your brain.

Yeah, we wanna see the body for sure. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Because there's a lot of hot people there. There's a like there's a lot of hot people. Yes. There's also like whatever, regular, you know, like this is not, but there's like, what do you, what do you call them? The regular people? The regulars. Just regulars.

Just, just regulars. There's hot people and regulars at this party.

Yeah. But also like. Even the regulars, even the threes and fours look great 'cause they put on whatever they feel good in. They're having fun with it. It, you know, like Totally. I, I feel like it's, I like it so much. The, the vibe of the party [00:15:00] is so, so big. Uh, so cool. And it really is like, it's good to stop for me, it's good to stop and take in, 'cause it can get kind of small.

'cause there's a, like, because it's crowded, you get like, I'm looking right in front of me, I'm looking right here and I'm seeing where you guys are. I'm making sure I've got space, you know, and sometimes it gets pretty tight. But if you take a second and look around and there's projections. That are 50 feet tall on the sides of these buildings, and it's crazy what's going on.

Yeah, and I just thought like, oh, this is the kind, like in the, in the movies, like this is the resistance party. Like this is what's happening right now. If Yeah, there's like the, you know, cold, dark fascism happening out there, that some kind of future nonsense is making things hard. But like when the resistance gets a chance to party, this is what it's like.

It's like a big. Gotham celebration kind of party. Yeah. Yeah. Um, all out crazy creative. Uh, and, and, and the, the creativity is, is just insane. Yeah. It's very cool. The things that people come up with. Yeah, for sure. The way those brains work. Yeah. 

Tom: Yeah. It's fun. I, um, I've gotten really into Halloween in my late years.

I, I never really liked it as a kid, to be honest. Um, although like, what was it about 

Jonathan: that, 

Tom: uh, the walking from [00:16:00] house to house? 

Jonathan: And then, so the downside of city of God's is the walking from place to place. And the downside of Halloween when you were a kid was the walking from place. Cool. I got it. It's like we lived in 

Tom: a really, really hilly neighborhood and we were like a Halloween famous neighborhood.

Like people would come in from other cities to come 

Jonathan: because it was creepier, because the candy was on 

Tom: point. Uh, there were a lot of houses in a condensed area. Um, and so you could get a lot of candy. In a minimal amount of time. Uh, the house next door to us, next, like literally next door to us. Uh, these are the people that had a pet monkey, um, that would frequently get loose in the neighborhood.

And then there'd be calls placed all the houses, careful the monkeys out. 'cause if it be you, you had to get a rabies shot. Oh my 

Jonathan: God. 

Tom: It was, they would leave it tied up on the front lawn and they would be inside and it like, people would just walk by and be like. Yeah, it was crazy. Uh, my mom did not like that monkey.

She, we did not like having that monkey next door. It was creep. It was a little creepy. Uh, but they did a really crazy, over the top Halloween house, like decorations, scary music. You could [00:17:00] hear like 10 minutes away. Uh, so we would get a lot of my mom used to like track how many people would come get candy 'cause she couldn't believe.

So she would do a counter and then announce the numbers at the end of the night. Um, what, what years were the biggest numbers? Shut off Dates and statistics, please. Um, yeah, and also like costumes, like, I don't know. Um. I got, I just kind of didn't love it. I also didn't love, I don't love candy that much. So like the big draw wasn't much of a draw.

Jonathan: Yeah. 

Tom: But, um, yeah, I, after in my old age, I've gotten, I think also I did theater for so long, like, dressing up in costumes on one day of the year felt like amateur hour. Yeah. Because it was like my, my job. Um, so, but now I got, I've, I've kind of gotten into it. I think. Yeah. There's a, there's a 

Jonathan: joy and there's a, there's something I, I agree.

Like I, when I was. When I was little, I liked, I liked doing costumes. I always did weird stuff. My costumes were always like, they were always kind of DIY and like something, not high concept, but like not a packaged thing. That was easy. It wasn't, it wasn't a vampire or Darth [00:18:00] Vader, you know, like, um, I weird clowns.

Or I would get the guy from, uh, like the guy who did. Makeup for the theater. The community theater also did like really cool wound makeup. And so one year, uh, he put a, like a, I was like a, I was a soccer playing zombie, and he put a cleat on my face. Like I had gotten stomped on the face with a cleat. And so I had like the holes of a cleat across my face and it was like bleeding down my face.

But I was a soccer player as a zombie, which was cool. So I just wore my soccer uniform and had a really good makeup, uh, done on for my face. Wow. But yeah, that was cool. I also, um, this. Uh, I want to talk about this because I don't, I don't, I'm just gonna say it's because it's true. But this is a true thing that I did one year for Halloween and my, uh, parents let me, and I think that that was a, they were just letting me explore costumes and stuff, but I wanted to be Michael Jordan 'cause he was my hero 

Tom: correction corner alert.

Jonathan: I was in like second grade. I didn't really know. And I will tell for in defense of my parents, I the jersey the. [00:19:00] Sweatpants and the Jordan shoes they knew was coming. I thought, like, I, I, I promise you, I don't know how else to, like, I promise you, my thought was I wanna look like Michael Jordan. And so I had Crayola markers and was like drawing on my, like, all over my arms.

So I just had scribbled like brown marker on my arms. Wow. And that's when, I mean, I didn't, at least I didn't, I don't, there's no pictures of me in blackface I didn't end up doing because they were like, no, no, stop buddy that we're not. Look you, everyone's gonna know who you are. You wear the jersey. This is good.

This is good. Uh, so maybe just look like a. Tattooed Michael Jordan. I just had scribbles all over my arms. Oh yeah. My tattoos. Yeah, 

Tom: there you go. This one's fading. I had a a mean gingerbread, uh, man, I have a, something on my ass. I forget what it was. Don't you have a neck tattoo too? Uh, that I had to take off for work today.

Oh, for 

Jonathan: work? Yeah. Uh, yeah, 

Tom: but um, yeah. That's crazy. I guess you can still be a politician though. Since there are no photos. 

Jonathan: I'm pretty sure you can still be a politician no matter what now, like I don't think that. Yeah, that's true. Good point. You know? Good point. Yeah. We're gonna get to that. Uh, [00:20:00] 

Tom: yeah, yeah, yeah.

I have a, I have a, they let me do it. Halloween custom story too. I, in, uh, n Nursery school, nursery school, um, wanted, are years, 

Jonathan: dates, dates and statistics. Please. What, what 

Tom: year is this? Uh, like 84. Okay. I wanted to be, uh, 83. I think.

I wanted to be. Um, correction corner. Correction corner. I wanted to be Wonder Woman for Halloween. Hell yeah. And, uh, hell yeah. My family, my mom, there was one time she made me a costume, but, uh, most of the time we just did the box. Yeah. The plastic, you know, CHIO things. Yeah. And, uh, we went to the store and I saw the h the Wonder Woman one, and I wanted it, my dad tried so hard, like, are you sure you're not Batman, Superman?

And I was like, no. Um, and then I regretted it ever like after that. I, uh, every time that photo would come up when we were showing people photos in like the baby book or whatever, um, I would be mortally. I carried so much shame [00:21:00] about the fact that I wore that costume really for a long time. Now, I guess I can kind of laugh at it.

My mom still gives me like little Wonder Woman gifts every year at Christmas. 'cause I think she gets a lot of joy outta that story. Uh, but it, it, it, I'm, I'm so, I carry so much shame about it now. Oh man. Not still, I guess. But you are a kid, like mean. Yeah. I didn't know. I do now remember that the, the costume didn't come with a magical lasso.

Is that You say it Laue lasso. 

Jonathan: No, it's still wrong. Keep, I want you to keep trying. I'm not las gonna tell Lasso. Lasso. Yes. A lasso. That's the gayest thing you've ever said. So, 

Tom: uh, shut up. How often do you use that word? Like, I never use that word. I haven't used that word since seeing it's attached to shame.

So no, no wonder, I don't know 

Jonathan: how to say it. That's true that you never, you never watched Ted lasso on, uh, apple tv. 

Tom: So the, uh, the costume didn't come with one and [00:22:00] she had one. Mm-hmm. So my mom like. Put gold sparkles on a rope for me. So I had like, sure, okay. So she went above and beyond for that. Um, but yeah, that was my Halloween story.

That's 

Jonathan: really sweet. She thought, she thought, I'm gonna be a g I'm gonna be a parent and I'm gonna support my kid in what he wants to do. Yeah. And yeah, 

Tom: before for sure. I mean, it was very cool that they let me do it. Yeah. Um, and it was before, like, you know, this day and age, at least if you're in certain parts of the country, you don't.

Squash that kind of a want from your kid anymore. Like we've learned better. Right. We know if your son wants to wear a dress, let him wear a dress. Yeah. Or I, you know, a certain number of people know that now and Yeah. Um, so they were doing that before it was widely accepted, which is really cool. Yeah. And then I got made fun of by them about it for the rest of my life, so.

Well, it's fair is fair. Uh, yeah. And when I transferred to, um. Uh, fourth grade to with the years. Again. Dates, dates, dates and 

Jonathan: statistics. Please. I can't say the word statistics either, so it's dates and statistics. Please. Dates and dates. I twos please. Dates, s [00:23:00] twos 

Tom: When I transferred to, uh, public school in fourth grade and I had a hard time making friends, um, one of the things that helped me break the ice there was I was Peewee Herman for Halloween, and it was the year that Oh, nice.

It was when Peewee Herman was very popular. Yeah. And so that was a. Really good costume. 

Jonathan: Did you do the dance? Could you do, could you do the dance? Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Totally. I love that. Yeah. Love that. That's my 

Tom: Halloween story. What else happened to you this weekend? Anything? 

Jonathan: Um, well, I wanted to show a couple of things.

I got some, I got some. Uh, some knicknacks. I got the, uh, umbrella from BU Santa. Um, we also got, uh, this is Jen's receipt for, um, uh, yes, the, what we, what we, um, promised to, uh, Brooklyn Mirage to, to a dollar a dollar 32 in funny snakes. So Jen has a, a receipt for that and also, so we, we pre-gamed at your place to get ready and everything.

Uh, the cats ended up with this in our bag. Oh, wow. 

Tom: That's amazing. 

Jonathan: So we, we owe this back to you, but Yeah, we were unpacking it. This, this just came outta the gym was [00:24:00] like, what is this? That's amazing. Um, yeah. Before that they love to hide those mice. They love it. And I love, I. You know what I love when they play in our stuff and I feel like, I mean, I'm, I'm, I'm sure I'm just projecting, uh, hospitality and friendliness, but I feel like they like our stuff.

They wanna be in our stuff, so they like us being there. They're okay with us being there. And once they Yeah, they, they're, they're people. Cats, once they, once they can be sure that our kids aren't there and gonna make 'em Yeah. Go through obstacle courses or whatever. Yeah. 

Tom: Yeah. They're a little scared of the kids.

Um, um. But yeah. So moving on to culture. Yeah, sure. Let's, you, you got more, sorry. No, that's okay. 

Jonathan: I was gonna talk about the garden club at the kids' school, but that's just in and out real quick. Oh yeah. Do it, do it. I'm, I'm excited to be, we're starting, uh, we started right at gardening season, right as right as it hits the nice garden season in New York.

Um, just took us a while to get started, but there the kids, uh, elementary school has a garden club. Um, and so we started this past week. Uh, kind of digging into some stuff. And this one other dad and I [00:25:00] showed up to kind of just like, we're gonna like clean up this little area, and there were some shrubs there that we were gonna probably get rid of.

And then we realized they moved pretty easily, so we just like dug them up and then put them like in another spot, which was like right in front of the school. And we had talked about there were different spots around the school that we were gonna landscape and do stuff with, you know, for the garden club and like that the kids take care of it from there.

But we definitely just like made this call kind of as an audible. And we're like, I, I don't know. Like, let's see. And everyone, everyone likes it. The principal, uh, says this is great that they like where we put the shrub. So I feel like a real farmer now. Um, it also is another good example of like how low the bar is for dads in the world.

Like we're rock stars and I, this guy, because we, we had like an hour. So that we could spare in a morning one time. And we, you know, we go by and we, we do a little work, a little help. Pardon me? Do a little help. And it's like the biggest deals, you know, like we're the, we're the, we're the best dads because we, we were able to, to give a little bit, um, which is a little embarrassing and silly that the bar's so low.

But you know what, I'll keep taking advantage of that for as long as I can. No, I think that the, the bar should be higher. But [00:26:00] if it's not gonna be, I'm gonna keep being impressive with a a s entry point. Ub yeah. With 

Tom: shrubs. 

Jonathan: I'm, I'm happy for you and your shrubs, man. That's great. Thank you. So let's move on to culture, culture, culture.

I wanna say 

Tom: that we've been watching the new season of The Diplomat. Yeah. We love that show. We're obsessed. The New Season's so good. Yeah. Uh, if you're not watching it, highly recommended. It's, uh, fast paced and um, just. Addictive tv, I think. Yeah. 

Jonathan: Smart people. It's, it's like smart. The, the, the characters are all very smart, very capable people, and they talk like it.

Tom: Yeah. It's one of those shows that like, um, it's not too, um, intellectual, like it's pretty easy to follow. Um, it's, it's pulpy, it's, it's, it's, it's almost a soap opera. Yeah. But it makes you feel smart watching it. 'cause it's this insider look to a whole. Folks us don't know anything about, 

Jonathan: sorry, get to know.

It also fucks with my, um, my, uh, like political knowledge. My, my, uh, international knowledge because like, I'll take something. It's kinda like West Wing used to be like, I'll have that in my brain and think [00:27:00] like, oh, we are worried about this army base on in Greenland. You know, or whatever. Like, I'm, that's that.

Some of it might be true, I don't know, but you know, I don't, yeah. 

Tom: Yeah, totally. 

Jonathan: But I, yeah, it's a good, it's, it's like political and international diplomacy, but not at such a complicated level that you can't keep up. It's just like very fast paced and there's like a lot of moving kind of chess board moving pieces of what, you know, like people are maneuvering around each other, but it's also like a lot of 

Tom: maneuvering, lot of cliff cliffhangers.

Every episodes of Cliffhanger. 

Jonathan: Every episode's a cliffhanger in a good way. I think that there's some shows like do that a lot these days when they're shorter seasons and it's like, all right, we get it. Like, yeah, yeah. Can we make something happen instead of just like always setting up something to happen.

Um, but yeah, we love that show too. Alice and Jannie Good. Bring Alice and Jannie and Bradley Whitford together, which is like so awesome. So cool. Yeah. Um, we, uh, we also watch The Dip Diplomat. We love it too. Um, we just picked back up on the new season of the morning show. Do you ever watch that? Love the Morning show.

Love it. Apple tv just, uh, you know, right there with Ted Lasso. Um, [00:28:00] um, so we just got into the new season and like talk about soapy and talk about maneuvering and like, it's a lot of that stuff and it kind of is a show that like every episode's a cliffhanger, like in a way that sometimes I'm like, okay, well let's, like, can we do a thing without just talking about the thing?

But, but, but I enjoy it. It's a good well-written show. The first season was a real banger. Uh, and it's, I don't know that this season's like. That, that level. But I, I've gotten invested in these characters. They've done a good job with the, the writing so far that I'm, I'm into it. And I was excited because it, it brings back, um, a chance to talk about our favorite TV show ever.

Uh, and just like that because Karen Pittman, an actress, uh, uh, uh, an actor who is in, was in both of those shows and was unceremoniously and kind of. Awkwardly and quickly written off of, and just like that, like it was one of those where just like all of a sudden, like where did, where did she go? Like she, yeah, yeah.

Wait, wait, what happened? Where'd she go? Yeah. Uh, and it turns out that, uh, at least what the, what the, um, the [00:29:00] papers say, um, is that she, it was scheduling conflicts that she had other gigs going on that were getting in the way of, uh, and just like that. And I, I just choose to believe that because she's been a, a rising star for a bit now, and I.

I'm going to believe, and I don't have any proof that she ever said anything about this at all. This is not from Karen Pittman. This is from my own mind and I'm gonna choose to believe it. That she realized what that show was and she was like, I am my, my star is on the way up. I am not going to be a part of this any longer.

I need to get outta here. I need to stick to Apple, good shows on Apple tv and you know, whatever else she's working on where she's killing it out there. Uh, I. I'm going to choose to believe that she looked around at what that show was doing and said, you guys gotta get me outta here. 

Tom: It could be like, maybe her contract ran out.

Who knows? 

Jonathan: Yeah. 

Tom: Yeah. 

Jonathan: Who knows? 

Tom: Well, that's it for culture for me. Alright. There's two things politically I want to talk about this week. Great. Uh, one is the destruction of the White House. Jesus. Yeah. I think you put it best when we talked about this, uh, that. [00:30:00] The image of that would be the defining picture of That's gonna be the picture.

Yeah. That's gonna be the picture of the Trump 

Jonathan: presidency, of this administration. And everyone's like, everyone makes changes. There's a basketball court put in, there's whatever like this is, it's, it's literally tearing shit down. Yeah. It's demolishing shit to put gold shit in its place while you're taking food stamps away from people.

Yeah. Like get the fuck outta here, dude. 

Tom: Yeah. It's uh, it's definitely like the metaphor of it is just unmissable the fact that it's happening while millions of people are gonna lose their snap. Yeah. Health, their snap food benefits in a couple days. Yeah. Is just, uh, it's a bad look and it's, um. It is just so over the top.

Um, I, there, there is, there is truly a lot of precedence for changes happening to the White House. Sure. And, um, I know that the White House historian, whatever they are, those people have come forward and said like, this is, it's a living, breathing, um, it's meant to be, be a living, breathing. Building, it's not supposed to be stuck in time, so [00:31:00] they've come out with defense of it.

Um, I think what is troubling to me is that the normal channels weren't followed. It wasn't, you know, yeah. It didn't go through approvals and they haven't, um, even shared the finished plans for what it's gonna be yet. Um, so all of that is kind of disturbing. It's also the grandiosity of it. Yeah. Which is something he loves so much.

Yeah. That's 

Jonathan: just so gross. Huge. Huge opulent chaos. Without a plan. Yeah. Without a respect for anything that came before or with anything else that's happening. No. No respect for anything. Just chaos. And I've heard more than one person say like, that's how, that's how. The first administration, that's how his first presidency was.

That's how this one is, because he's not smart enough to actually have a plan. He just wants to fuck stuff stuff up. Yeah. He just wants to break stuff and make it his, so like, all right, cool. I guess put a bunch of gold plated bullshit in the White House, you know, like while, while people are starving, while people are getting kidnapped in vans and run outta here.

That's fucking, it's, it's too on the nose. It's like, talk about, uh, city of God's being like a party in [00:32:00] Gotham. Like, it's too, too comic book villainy. Like just, it's like Dr. Evil bullshit. Like it's, yeah. It's really gross. Yeah. It's so gross and dumb. It's so dumb and gross. 

Tom: Yeah, but it's happening. Um, yeah.

So that's the first one. The second one I talk, wanna talk about is Graham Plattner. Um, Plattner is the oyster farmer or fisherman or something from Maine who, um, announced his run for Senate, uh, a couple months ago. Do, do you 

Jonathan: kho 

Tom: Cog. Coho oysters. Cog. Just clams. I don't know. Uh, remember when we co hogged?

Yeah, I do. Uh, I was very good at it. Um, nope. Um, were you, you weren't there at the time that I had a negative No, that was a different trip. Whatever. I had negative quahogs one time, dates and statistics. Please. How did you have 

Jonathan: negative co 

Tom: hogs? Because there were a bunch of us that went coho co hogging at a friend of mine's.

Uh, he had a house in Rhode Island on the, on the ocean. And so what year was this? Shut up. We went qua hogging and, um, we were telling, because we were gonna like, make clam pasta for dinner. Mm-hmm. And so [00:33:00] we were. Tallying how many everybody found. And um, as I didn't find any, I was terrible at it. I did not have the knack for it.

'cause you're like feeling with your feet or something. Yeah, I didn't get it. I didn't find any. And when we pulled the boat into the dock and we were passing the bags of oysters, I put one down in the fucking dock and all of the oysters fell back in. So I, I had like a negative on my tally. Uh, so yeah. Um, I'm pretty sure 

Jonathan: the year that I went we, we were supposed to have, uh, clam pasta also and like, I'm pretty sure we ordered pizza 'cause we got like three.

Yeah. There wasn't, there were no clams. Yeah. We almost lost the boat. The, the one, the one of us who could drive the, who could captain the boat was in the water and we, none of the rest of us could get to him and get stopped to pick em up. It was an adventure. So always a success. It's always co hogging in Rhode Island.

Always a success. Anyway. Grand 

Tom: Platner. Alright. Graham Platner. Um, I was really excited about his nessy. First of all, he's hot as fuck. 

Jonathan: Yeah. 

Tom: Woof. Um, and he's just this real blue collar guy. He, he was, [00:34:00] um, in, he, he served the country, Africa, I think he was a Marine. He's a Yeah. Marine. He's 

Jonathan: a former Marine.

Yeah. 

Tom: Um, and he's just like right out the gate, just like had great content. He just, yeah. Felt like he was talking the talk to real people and felt like a real, genuine guy. Um, still feels that way to me. Um. And he, uh, recently came out that he, there was a bunch of scandals, um, the first quarter. I mean, that's 

Jonathan: also one of the things is like, I, I can always tell, I feel like I can tell when things are, when someone's getting good traction and when republicans are scared.

'cause like Yeah. A bunch of, yeah. The comes out at the same time. Yeah, totally. It always comes out. They bang as much as you can at it. So Yeah, he. 

Tom: He had, uh, first was Reddit post, old Reddit post where he said like, um, some racist stuff, some, I forget. It was just some, some bad shit. Um, 

Jonathan: I, I, the only ones that I saw, and I, I'm not defending it 'cause I didn't see, uh, the only ones that I saw were like violent and were like socialists.

But it was, it was from the perspective of a, it was, I've been fighting and I came back and this is all bullshit. Yeah. And it's kind of like, you're not wrong, [00:35:00] dude. So that part I was like. Great. Keep telling us that he's not gonna be the same capitalist bullshit that you, that everyone else is doing that is not working.

Yeah. Then there's the other stuff that is like also problematic for anyone, you know. 

Tom: Yeah. Well then he, uh, he, he issued an apology video on his, um, social media feeds. Um, and he, he explained the post and where he was it at that time in his life and how he had changed and grew out of those point of.

Point of views is like sort of a normal reaction from a politician. I think it in that, you know, you want to, you have to come forward and say something. You have to acknowledge it. But what I found to be so interesting about it was I thought that video was one of the most genuine state things I had ever heard out of the mouth of a politician.

It felt so authentic to me and so genuine that. To me, the Reddit posts were canceled out at that moment. I was like, he's still the guy. And then a couple days later they came out that he had a Nazi tattoo on his chest. He claims that he got it. He got it years ago. Uh, I think when he was in Marines drunk with some buddies one night.

Yeah. Um, he claims he did not know that it was a Nazi [00:36:00] symbol. Other people have come forward and said that he did know. He's since gotten it changed. He had it re tattooed over. 

Jonathan: And was that. That changed? Was that recently? What? Like when did he get it tattooed over? 'cause that's the part I'm confused. Like, not after it came out that he had it.

Oh. Like right now, like, like right now he just got it covered up. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. 

Tom: So, uh, this, this is troubling to me. Uh, it's like, if you know I am against Nazis, I, Nazis are bad in my book. I know you feel the same way. You have a whole empire built around it. Um, so, uh, and like Nazis or Nazis, you can't be okay with Nazis sometimes and not others.

So I unfollowed him on my Instagram 'cause I think I just can't, but he's still leading in the polls and, um, I don't, it's, I have mixed feelings about it. 'cause I still was really impressed with him from the beginning. And 

Jonathan: I mean, I feel like that's also, you're right, Nazis are Nazis and that, that's driving me crazy these days.

And that it keeps like. It, it, it, I had a post after the, the, uh, no Kings protest. I put something up about, about my empire, [00:37:00] about the, uh, uh, paint nails, punch Nazis, and just the punch Nazis part. And like, there was some feedback that's like, um, you know, there aren't, there aren't Nazis. They're just, you can't call, you can't call the person.

You're opposed to a Nazi. And I, I'm like, but you can win their. Nazis. Yeah. Like that's like, yeah, that's, that's the German nationalist. Like that's a, that's an extreme nationalist in Germany is what they call this. So yeah, you're right. We don't have extreme German nationalists here. We have nationalist extremists that are causing real problems.

So if we want to call them, uh, I don't know, whatever the American. Phrase for it is, but they're just fucking Nazis. Like, well also, 

Tom: when they get caught in the Young Republicans chat saying that Hitler was right and yeah, go 

Jonathan: Goebbels 

Tom: was right. They're fucking gas chambers and they're, they're Nazis, they're, that's not, that's a Nazi.

Yeah, that's a Nazi. 

Jonathan: Yeah. 

Tom: So I think this propaganda of like, you can't call the bad guys Nazis just 'cause they're bad guys is fueled by the right as a way to try and undercut that their Nazis. Well, 

Jonathan: I think that it even goes back further than that because like that's a thing that I remember experiencing once I was, you know, the [00:38:00] south is pretty fucking racist.

Uh, like that's, it's hard to get around that. It's just true. So is everywhere, but there's, there's more, uh, you know, conflict. There's more mixing of, of, uh, cultures in the south and there's, so there's a lot more prevalent racism. And so people will get really offended if you call them a racist. 'cause, like, you can't, it would be, it's rude to imply someone's a racist, but that person can absolutely.

Not wanna be around black people or think, you know, like, like, think that the projects in Alabama are because black people are dumb and stupid. Like they, 'cause they don't wanna work hard. But, but dare don't you dare call them a racist. Like they, yeah, yeah. So it goes back even further than like a planned from the top down.

It's like the mentality of those people is like, they can have shitty thoughts. You just can't say them out loud. You can't, you can't call them what they are out loud. Yeah. And yeah, that's what this ends up being. It's like you guys, you, you young republicans that are 30 something years old are just, you're.

You're Nazis, like the, you are saying Nazi things. So you're, so, you're a Nazi. 

Tom: Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's, uh, it's, uh, Nazis are Nazis, [00:39:00] man. 

Jonathan: Nazis are Nazis. That's all it is. So, I 

Tom: don't know, we gotta keep our eye on this guy and see what else comes out. I think it's fascinating that he's still leading. Um, and I do, I will 

Jonathan: say this, like I do think that you can change your mind.

I think you can be vehemently racist and then realize you were a bad, that was a bad call. Yeah. You know? Yeah. Um, so Nazis. Or Nazis, but you can stop being a Nazi if you're, if you're a Nazi, you're a Nazi. If you should, if you used to be a Nazi, you don't have to be one. 

Tom: No. We want the Nazi, the old Nazis, to not be anymore.

Like you're, you are welcome. You are welcome into the tent. Yeah. Uh, if, but, um, yeah. Yeah. So, uh, anyways, that's the Graham Plattner thing that's been on my mind. Yeah. But, um. Yeah. So we were gonna talk a little bit about Combo tonight. 

Jonathan: Yeah, 

Tom: let's do it. Uh, because of a surprise event that happened at the City of God's.

Um, so, so combo is a, uh, the, the poison from an Amazonian tree fog, uh, that is, um, scraped that they, uh, basically, um, uh, the natives in the Amazonian jungle, um, would, [00:40:00] uh. They would catch these, uh, green, the tree frogs, and they would tie them to, they tie them to sticks, which stresses the frog, and they release this poison.

And these frogs have no, uh, natural predators because, um, the, the poison is so deadly to anything that tries to eat them. Uh, and they, they scrape the poison off the stressed frog sort of emits the poison. They scrape it off, they put it on tree rock tree. Arc, it dries and then they reconstitute it with a knife and some water.

Uh, around they would do this, around ceremonies. And, um, the men, uh, I believe would use it, uh, before, uh, hunting. Uh, because what they found was, um, that use, uh, part partaking in the poison. And I'll describe that in a bit. Um. Would heighten your senses, uh, after you went through the sort of ordeal that it causes.

Um, and it would for about a day after you do it, you have a heightened sense of, um, all the senses really are heightened and you kind of feel like a warrior. [00:41:00] Um, and so, uh, the, the legend is that the tree frog sang a song to. Medicine man who carried the wisdom and it was passed down. Um, and, and people still do it.

Uh, and this is something that's now entered Western society, uh, new age health stuff, I think sort of. Mm-hmm. Um, introduced. Introduced it. Um, I first came across combo, uh, when I, after I went to my first. Burning man. As you remember. I came back and I was like, uh, sort of lit up from within. Yeah. I was so, uh, I was like a live wire.

I was so jazzed after that first burn about life really. Mm-hmm. Uh, in a, I've. Who's coming outta sort of like a dark time in my life and, um, uh, it's so, it sounds so crazy to say, and maybe Burning Man's a cult. We'll have to go back to that podcast. But, um, burning Man really, uh, really sort of turned my life around and, and made me really excited to be alive again and to, um.

Meet new people and have new experiences. [00:42:00] And uh, when I came back from that first burn, I would actively seek out, I was trying to do like one crazy new thing a week. Um, I was trying to like keep that momentum going. And, uh, I was listening to, um, burner podcast one day, which is a podcast, uh, that my friend, uh, Arash has been putting out for years about Burning Man.

And, um, he was interviewing this guy in San Diego who, um. Does, uh, um, combo ceremonies and, um, hearing them talk about it. I was like, that, that, I'm gonna do that. I want to do that. Before the podcast was even o uh, over, I had reached out to this guy on Facebook. I found him, I reached out to him. He wrote back immediately.

The podcast was still playing. I hadn't even finished it, and he was like, I, uh, am not gonna be in New York anytime soon. But my friend Steve, who's a combo practitioner, is gonna be there in a couple weeks. I'll introduce you. I emailed Steve, he got back to me right away and I had an appointment booked for a couple weeks later.

Um, and uh, it really was a phenomenal experience for me. [00:43:00] So they, um, they burn holes in your skin with like a little match or something. Um, yeah, it ends up 

Jonathan: being kinda like a cigarette burn, like a little dot little, 

Tom: a little dot. Um, and then they apply the reconstituted poison to the dots. As long as that stays on your body and is entering through the bloodstream, you almost immediately start to feel the effects.

Um, I should say, you, you can't eat or drink anything, um, like a certain number of hours before, like when you wake up that morning, you don't, you, you go fasted. Uh, but right before you do the poison, you pound a bunch of water, like three liters of water, I think. Um, and the reason for that is you're about to, uh, basically throw up the poison.

Your body reacts to the poison in a way that it thinks it's dying and it makes your body go into detox mode. And that's where the health benefits come in. 'cause it, um, you know, goes into the liver and the kidneys and, um, you, you end up throwing up all this bile, like you're literally throwing up. It's so gross.

Like yellow, green. Yeah. [00:44:00] Ugh. But the point is to throw up, you want to throw up. And so the water gives the poison something to attach to. 

Jonathan: Mm. 

Tom: Um, and it's not fun. It's like your body thinks it's dying for about Yeah. A half hour. Uh, and then a couple hours after it, you're tired, you're exhausted, you feel spent, uh, but then you wake up the next day and you feel like Amazing.

Yeah. Um. And I, I've done it now 10 times, but I know I came back and told you about it immediately. And you came with me? Yeah. Uh, was that, was it the, 

Jonathan: was it the second time? Did you, you did it once and then I came with you the second time? I think so. I think so. All right. Yeah. Statistics. But, um, yeah. Well that was also like, yeah.

When you came back from Burning Man. What? When you went to Burning Man the first time I was already. The concept of guru Tom already existed, which is like, you just, you're always a good pitch person. If you find something that you like, you're good at selling it. And I always want, I always like, that sounds cool.

I wanna do it, I wanna do that, whatever it is. Like, it's not always, it's not always potions like this. It's anything. It's the, uh, this, the, uh, uh, [00:45:00] contest at the grocery store. You know, it's like whatever, anything that, it's like, oh, I'm doing what Tom's doing. That sounds fun. Um, so yeah, I came not, you don't do everything Tom's doing well.

Well, not everything. That's true. Not everything. Not everything. 

Tom: I've been trying. Yeah. So I, I haven't pitched you well enough on, 

Jonathan: on Sex With Guys, huh? No, I don't think that that's the problem. I think that your pitch on that is pretty tight. I think it's, you've got a solid pitch, uh, just, just not the audience.

Um, but combo, on the other hand, making myself sick with Frog poison was, was, uh, was Pitchable, uh, was open to hearing that one. Um, and I, we talked about the Ninga a week or two ago, which was a part of the same. The ceremony, um, did that first to kind of open your chakras and your channels before you poison yourself.

Um, but yeah, it was, I mean, it was exactly what you just said. It was, and I see like that this is one of those times where like, I needed you to be brave and go do it on your own, because then when I go, I. I'm not as nervous about the next steps. Like I don't, I don't think like, oh, I'm going blind when I've got that stuff in my eyes and when I get poisoned.

I don't think I might die in this loft in Brooklyn. I don't know. But [00:46:00] like I felt, yeah, there was a safety to it because you had done it, you know, and you were there with me and we got to do it together. Um, but yeah, it was intense. It was, um. Pooping and throwing up and, uh, like just expelling things outta your body.

And, uh, and you're right, like that day is just an exhausted day and then it feels great. Colors are brighter and like you feel, you know, I, I don't know like how real any of it is, but you feel. Yeah. Stronger and more revived and like, you know, more Yeah. And more on, yeah, and I haven't done it again since then.

Um, but I, oh, well, I would do it again. Yeah. Yeah. Because one of the, we've been called, yeah, we've been called. 

Tom: So the first time I did it, I asked. Steve, the, um, practitioner I was doing it with, like, how, how do I know when to do it again? And he was like, combo will let you know. Combo will call you. And like my friend Kelly, who you know, um, like about a year later, she sent me, or maybe it was at Spring,

who cares? We always done this. Have we 

Jonathan: always done this and just [00:47:00] noticed it or is this just is one episode date statistics? I don't know. I don't know. 

Tom: Like people are at home charting our lives, slowly filling in the timeline. Um, Kelly at one point sent me, uh, a picture of a frog that was like attached to her window and she lives in South Carolina and she's just like, randomly sent me a picture of a cute frog and I was like, oh my God, I have to do combo again.

And, uh. Saturday night at City of Gods, I handed a drink umbrella to this guy, and I don't remember what he was dressed as, but he was like a cute little guy. And he, he was so touched by the umbrella, people had the funniest reactions to the umbrella. Uh, I gave one to a beekeeper, um, who just like even through his beekeeping netting, I could see.

The blushing and like some people love them so much. Uh, and then I had one of my best friends look at me and go, no, I don't want that. So that was Lisa. She listens to every, don't want that episode. So that was Lisa's, Lisa's [00:48:00] response was, no, I don't want that. I love that. It wasn't just no, it was, no, I don't want that.

I don't want that. 

Jonathan: I don't want that. 

Tom: So, um, but this one guy, he, he was so touched by the drink umbrella. That he turned around, he goes like this to me, and then he turned around and he was like digging in his bag. And then he turned back and he had, whoa, um, I can't see my camera, so I don't know if you can see this one.

Yeah, I 

Jonathan: mean, it's, it's a frog. It's the little green thing you're holding. I don't think it's gonna get more clear that way, but it's a, it's a frog. It's a little, it's a little frog. Oh, that actually did do it. 

Tom: Oh, it did? Okay. It's a little, it's a little grease. Yeah, that's, 

Jonathan: yeah. 

Tom: It's a very tiny, but I got chills.

Like, I got chills the second he handed this to me and I was like, oh shit. It's time to do combo again. 

Jonathan: Yeah. 

Tom: Um, so yeah. 

Jonathan: Well you were telling me that at the party and you, you were excited. I could see it in your face that you were like, it's time to do combo again. I just, the combo just called me and I, it's been years and I, I'm sure you had told me about the, uh, uh, you know, combo letting you know when it's time.

But I, for whatever reason, [00:49:00] my western brain and I just hadn't paid attention and I wasn't, I wasn't into it. I wasn't. You know, listening to the universe or whatever. Uh, and as you were saying that, I went, holy shit. My mom just sent me two pictures, like sent me pictures of frogs, like, and Caleb days ago, the day before, the day before, like after pro 

Tom: of nothing, 

Jonathan: uh, Caleb likes frogs and my mom doesn't.

So like, that's a thing that happens sometimes, but like, not, not like, like. I don't know the last time she sent a picture of a frog to Yeah. You know, like, so Friday she sent two pictures of a frog she found in her flower pot. And so as you were saying this, I was like, holy shit, I, I don't deal with frogs.

And I just saw from my mom just sent me pictures of frogs. So I think, I don't know if my mom has listened this far into this one, but I, mom, I think that you were a conduit for a combo. The weird Amazonian. Poison, uh, calling me to let me know that it's time to go back. Yeah, it is, it 

Tom: is. I think it's time for us.

I'm gonna, I'm gonna reach out to Steve. It's time for us to go back. Yeah. Okay. Um, I, and it's a couple more things about combo just to like, share more, more information that I know. Um, [00:50:00] it's not the same as like lick the, the toad. People always confuse it with that. I know that's a thing. Or people get high licking at Toad.

This is not that. I don't know anything about that. Um, and uh, there are like real. Demonstrable, is that the word? Mm-hmm. Uh uh, health benefits. Mm-hmm. Uh, I know that's the word. Is that the right way to say it? Um, uh, health benefits, it, it's full of, the poison is full of peptides and scientists are now studying it to see if they can replicate it, the effects in a lab.

Um, Steve always would tell me that the combo basically scans your. Audi to, um, look at what is um wrong and it attacks those areas. So you go in and you set intentions. You're supposed to set, um, a physical intention, something in your body, you wanna work on mental, uh, and spiritual. And the combo could help on all those levels.

And I not to sound too woo woo, it. Definitely did that all three for me every time. Um, it's a good reset if you're dealing with health stuff. You'd be surprised at the effects that it can have on it. [00:51:00] Um, Steve told me one story. He, he did it with one woman whose, um, fingers blew up. Um Oh. 'cause your face, while you're on it, your face blows up.

Jonathan: Yeah. Uh, you 

Tom: actually sort of look like a frog. That's a little bit of a disturbing part. Yeah. But what happens at the end is once you've thrown up. Everything you're gonna throw up, they take the poison off, and once the poison comes off your body, um, goes back to normal. So the swelling goes down, um, and all that.

And, uh, she, this one woman that he worked on, her fingers blew up and he asked her afterwards like, what, what do you think that was about? And she had been a heroin addict and she had, um, oh wow. Put the needle at between your fingers. So the, the combo really knows where your body needs it. It's pretty incredible.

So, yeah, we, we should do combo again, bro. Yeah. Okay. 

Jonathan: I don't, I was gonna say we should do a, a, like a live episode, but I don't think we can record during a ceremony, but we'll talk about it. Yeah. Yeah. We'll do it. Talk about it. Yeah. 

Tom: Yeah. I don't know about a live throwing up. I don't think people will like that.

All right. You know what it's time for? I [00:52:00] do. Who would you fight? Who would you fight? Pow. You really don't know what the ver, what it's supposed to sound like. I lost the, I lost the track. I lost the melody. I might have to go back to an original, uh, episode. 

Jonathan: All right. All right. You go first. Okay. I couldn't get the wording smaller on this, but I want to fight.

Okay. Road construction workers in New York, someone is always assigned to be the traffic director, and they've definitely never directed traffic before in their life, and they're not interested in learning, so it's chaos all the time. They've got a slow stop sign and they're basically on the phone and like fucking, they're a union worker who got this for the day.

They don't know what's going on. They're just. Directing music out there and sending people, it's not a, it's not a police officer, it's not a traffic anything. It's just a random union worker who got that job for the day. And it's so dangerous and it makes me so scared and it makes me angry at that, that person, that's who I wanna fight.

Tom: Uh, that's a good one. I wanna fight, and this is a hat tip to my friend Jeff Smith. 'cause he always says this, um, I learned this from him. Uh, it's [00:53:00] uh, dance floor fans. 

Jonathan: Mm. Um, 

Tom: clacking Dance Floor fans. I'm a fan of fans. I'm a fan of fans that are used to fan me. Uh, there was a guy at City of Gaza past weekend.

Mm-hmm. Walking around fanning people. Mm-hmm. Love that. That's great. Yeah. Fan yourself all day long. Even better fan others, but do not bring a fan to a dance floor and try to clack to the rhythm of the music. It is the most obnoxious fucking, what are you doing? Why shouldn it be part of the sound bullshit.

Yeah. It's terrible. 

Jonathan: Everyone's here to, to, in some part hear the music and you wanna be a part of the soundtrack. Get the fuck outta here. Yeah. Yeah. It, it's, that's a good person to fight. 

Tom: And obviously gays are the worst offenders of this. It's not a cute look. It's not good. You're not original. It's pathetic.

It's terrible. You're ruining the night for everybody else. Yeah. It's stop. I'm gonna fight you. It's a 

Jonathan: try hard pick me vibe that nobody likes. Yeah, agreed. You're right. You should fight them. 

Tom: Yeah. Thank you. Good one. So good. Thanks. All right. That's it for today's episode. Alright. You it? Are you reading us out?

Did it? Is it my turn? We did it. 

Jonathan: Um, I'll do it. Alright, [00:54:00] maybe. Thanks for listening. If you enjoyed this episode, make sure to like and subscribe to No Homo with Jonathan and Tom on all podcast platforms and YouTube graphics and music by Matt Ladner. And a spooky thanks to Jen Dornbach and Niwan Williams.

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You're so, you are the least supportive. Cohost you a for effort. You don't, ugh. Love you. When I get it right, you go me. That was okay. The moment I get it wrong, you fucking bail on me. Uhhuh. Uhhuh. All right. I love you though. You talking about this in therapy. I love you too. Alright, bye bye.