The Straight People Need So Many Gifts

Tom grapples with the devastating news that Jonathan is cheating on him (again), while Jonathan is busy helping his son prepare for his first school play audition. The boys unpack how having kids can obliterate a parent’s social life — and what that means for their gay, childless friends caught in the fallout.

Transcript

[00:00:00] What's up? What's up? We did it. Hey, we did it. This is Bro Homa with Jonathan and Tom. I'm Jonathan. I'm Tom. And this is episode number 24. Wow. Yeah. Yeah. 24. 24. Uh, we're recording this episode on Monday, December 8th. Cold. Oh, so grossly dreadful. Angry cold, horrible day. Cold. Bitter bro. I have a terrible day.

Tell me why. Tell me why. Terrible day. Um, we have a leak in our bathroom, in the ceiling. Oh, no. In the ceiling coming, yeah. Coming from the bathroom upstairs, like from God knows what, and my landlords in typical fashion are dragging their heels doing anything. And it's getting worse. And we woke up this morning and it was like really worse.

Like what? Like tell me about the leak. Like a bubble in the ceiling and the pain. Ah, yeah. It's bad. And so that was how we started the day. And then, uh, the, um, the MTA has changed the subways that stop at our stop. Oh, really? So there's like a new thing in effect starting today and [00:01:00] like officially new, new train stuff.

Yeah. Oh shit. What is it? And so it made, um. I can't review because then, uh, I can't tell you because then Oh, that's true. The fans will find me in my home. That's true. But anybody who's working has already used that, has already used that window to figure out exactly where you are. Anybody, anybody with any sleuth skills, that window has already, uh, clocked.

Yeah, so the m doesn't stop at our stop anymore. Um, oh, so, and, and so getting to work is, and, and, and it was just horrible. It was horrific getting to work today. Oh. And then work was really stressful today. And so, yeah. And then it's cold and I hate this time of year and I hate the holidays and, ah, man. Um, this is the, a great way to start this.

I'm excited, man. I'm excited. People, the audience just can be So people starting up and leaning in? Yes, they're leaning in. They're so excited. How are you? Um, well, considering that I'm okay, um. No, it is like the bitter, and today was, I did not realize that it was like the fir, it was like the biting cold.

Like it hurts. Yeah. It's the cold that hurts [00:02:00] today. And I was not ready for that. So I was cold today. But, um, I'm very much, uh, trying to live in my, uh, hoa, uh, as much as possible. Yeah, yeah, totally. Just like I got some new soft clothes, got some new, you know, I love that. I think it's kind of coming outta the pandemic and you know, now it's like.

Adapting to how we can have, you know, button down shirts, even flannels, but like super soft and like pants. I got these new Terry pants that are just like super soft, but look like slacks. And you know, like as much as I can, I'm finding just the soft, soft clothes that still look presentable out in public, you know?

Yeah. So I'm doing okay. I'm doing that as much as I can. I'm finding as much HOA as I can in my life. Um, love it. But, uh, yeah, um, I mean I think that, uh, I almost said, no, homo, it's weird. It was just the like. It's like we're not, yeah. I'm not in the groove yet, you know? Yeah. It's only the second time we've, we don't do a lot of, surprisingly, isn't my sound of the audience.

We don't like, uh, rehearse the, the whole show before we come on here. We don't do a lot of you, you don't tight rehearsals. Um, yeah. I got, I've been getting a lot of [00:03:00] good compliments on the new side, although I think people are Oh, good. Um, good People agree that it's better. So yeah, moving forward we're, we're happy about that.

Yeah. Yeah. I like that. We, I, I like it. It really grew on me very quickly. And there's a world in which, like, if it had come up sooner, we maybe gone, maybe we'd would've done that from John, who knows. But I also like that we went through the process of starting with no homo, like in the, the questions it brought up and the, uh, you know, the, the answers we gave and the responses we gave to that, and why we were like mindful in that.

And there was a point behind it, you know, and it like did the right thing and then we moved away from it, you know? Yeah. Yeah, bro. Homo era. I love it. Um, I want to go ahead and, uh, because, because, uh, we are a, oh, I can't even remember how to say it. What are we, a non demi bicurious? It's whatever we are as a relationship.

Um, yep. Uh, we're bro homos. Um, I want to confess something that I did not confess before and it was not on purpose. I just forgot to tell you, but I did step [00:04:00] outside of our exclusive relationship last week. Um, excuse me. Yeah, I know. And I'm sorry. And I really did not, did not hold this back on purpose. I just like forgot to mention it, Uhhuh.

But I went, I went on another podcast, uh, last week. I was a guest on. I know. I know. What podcast? It's called Love Take two. Um, it's with, um. Uh, some friends of our, well, uh, uh, Jamie Kelton, uh, Jamie Kelton Uhhuh. He does the Love Jamie podcast and, um, Jose, oh, what is Jose's last name? He's NY gay dad on uh, Instagram, and he is really fun.

He and his whole family are a lot of fun, and he's like, um, so they, they each have their own careers as content creators and his podcasters and, and they've come together. Uh, I think they fucking came together like. At a podcast award ceremony. I'm sure they know each other, but I think they were like winning awards at whatever, and were like, we should do something together.

And like they had, they're in a studio, they're in a nice ass studio too, man. It was like, wow. Where? And it was like, um, 26th Street, 2020 Street. Fancy. [00:05:00] Uh, yeah. West Side, like, like is that FIT area? It was nice. Sure. Whatever's over there. It was nice. Um, and it's like there were like tracking cameras. There was like everyone had their own cameras.

Wow. It was like a really nice studio. Of course, I was like way late because I don't take the trains anymore. And there was a fucking, I got on the train that was closest for me, and then there was just like a emergency break pulled at the stop before Manhattan. And so no, nothing was moving. So I had to run, get off that train, run to a different train, be way late.

Um, but it's, uh. It's love. Take two hasn't started yet. I'm not sure when it starts in troop. Typical bro, ho ho fashion. I have very few details, um, but it, uh, as soon as I get them I'll let you know. Um, and it's like a, a kind of a second act. It's like the, to the two of them and like how they've reinvented themselves and, uh, you know, um.

I, well I went on as a, uh, former actor, current dad and podcaster and, you know, whatever else. And, um, yeah, I love current dad. Like it might not continue. [00:06:00] It's just the moment current at the moment. Alright. I mean, I forgive you. I thought you were gonna say, you like hung out with another gay dude or something and I know I was gonna be really mad, but come on.

But, okay. Come on. Yeah, come on. That's not, I already know you cheat on me with podcasts. You've done it before. Yeah, it's fine. I'm gonna do it again this week. This week too. What, Thursday this week? I'm gonna do it again. Yeah, I'm going back on James Bullard's podcast. Um, ah, radical joy. So, yeah. Well, you know, sometimes they, once they, once they get a taste, once you go, bro, you never, that's cool.

I'm just here on this podcast getting all the compliments, just doing this one. No one says anything to me. No invites, no one says anything to me. I don't, you're getting all the compliments for that. I'm glad that people No, it's cool. I don't wanna do other podcasts. It's cool. I'm not even interested. I'm good.

I'm good. Don't even ask. I know you're not. That's why I don't ask. That's why I don't ask. They beg, they beg for you. They say, please can we just can, we can. We're we're calling you so that you can get Tom. And I say he doesn't wanna do it. He's busy. He's not interested. Thank you. Thank you. Yeah. Please field all that.

I have, I have, I forgot something last week too. I forgot to mention that. [00:07:00] Uh, last, last week was, uh, fish and chips first birthday. They're now 1-year-old. They're officially adults. They don't eat kitten food anymore. We maybe cried a little bit when they transitioned to their adult food. Uh, they got a DJ booth, a dj, uh, turntable for their birthday.

Um, and you could put some catnip in it. Um, they already tore the, uh, the fader out. Um, it's a little ball that was you're supposed to play with. They're basically destroying it. So I don't know you, it may not still be here the next time you come over, but, oh man. I understand that. Yeah. Happy birthday. Fish and chips.

Happy birthday. Fish and chips. Yeah. Is, are they, there's the, are they to shut out for the night? They're not gonna come in. Uh, I, we'll see. We'll see. They're picky. We'll see. Yeah. In their old age. What else is going on in your life? Uh oh. I'll tell you man, today. Uh. Today, Monday. What's the date? Uh, Monday, December 8th was my son's first theater audition.

His school is doing a production. Whoa. Yeah, he's in first grade. They're doing, uh, beauty and the Beast Junior. And we saw, uh, finding Nemo [00:08:00] Junior at that school last year, and it was pretty fucking good. You know, for an elementary school show like I did, I did Winnie the Pooh in kindergarten and, you know, we did little things in our school and it was, I felt good about it, but we didn't.

We weren't doing the Broadway junior Productions of anything, you know, and like this is a full thing. So I don't know. He, he, um. They, they gave out the book of characters of roles that were possible and like said, you know, like, choose whoever you wanna audition for. And he was like, oh, I wanna audition for the Beast.

And like, I, I don't think you do bud. Like, let sure love it, love it, love the energy. Let's just like discuss this. And even Jen did a good job of saying like, you know, that's probably gonna go to like one of the older kids and this is your first time and you're younger. So what about like. Chip. So he read for, um, for Chip, as did every other first grader who auditioned, you know?

Yeah. So who knows? But, um, it was, it was a blast. It was really fun, like helping him get ready for it. But also I was very, you know, and I I, you've been watching this since, well. I'm not sure we're talking about it much on here, but Caleb was a baby model. He was a gap baby when [00:09:00] he was six months old. Um, so you may have seen him on TV or in magazines or on posters and malls around the country.

Um, but I've always been very aware of, of loving that and it's so cool for me to get to, like, help them experience that, but not wanting to be a stage dad about it and not wanting to be a Papa Rose, I guess, whatever, you know, like Yeah. But like. He was doing, he had, there's a few little lines to learn and he, uh, memorizes really well.

So he had it memorized. Uh, he was like. He was genuinely making acting choices, but they, he was like making film acting choices. He was making, like, whether they were like spot on or not, like small emotional choices. I was like, that's great dude, but we gotta work on getting it so that the person in the back row can see you, you know?

Oh boy. Excited to. Yeah. Oh my God. Louise, here's, here's what it came down to. Yeah. Here's my sing out, Louise. Uh, this is how I could get him to understand. To connect with this is I said, alright bud, pretend you're sitting on the potty and you're yelling at mom in the kitchen [00:10:00] to come talk to you because you have a question for her.

That's the kind of vo, use that voice when you're yelling at mom to come to you while you're in the bathroom. Sit on the toilet and. Clicked. He understood that. So did you watch the audition? No. That was such a, like, it was an exciting and stressful day. Um, it's like a parents not invited, closed room, uh, kind of thing.

It's, it was after school. It was like two hours. They held them there from two 30 to four 30, like, uh, and I was. Championing at the bit to find out what, and like the way that our logistics went today, which is, I'm sure everyone's very excited to learn how we as parents handle the activities of our kids.

But like it was like a lot of back and forth from getting Sydney. She had to get ready for dance class calendar. Was it in the calendar? What's that? All It was all on the calendar. All the, all good? Yes. Which by the way, I've been doing much better at, I now I don't, I'm not good at looking ahead yet, but right tonight before I go to bed, I'll look at tomorrow, and tomorrow morning I'll get up before the kids are up and I will just look at the whole thing and I'll think about the whole day's calendar.

There you go. So it's, [00:11:00] yeah. Yeah. Good. Yeah. Um, yeah, thank you for your help and thank you for your support. Um, I'm, that's what I'm here for. It was, so, it was like a lot of back and forth. The logistics of today were like a little complicated and I didn't get to be there. Jen ended up picking him up from school and I didn't see him till a little bit later and I was just like dying to find out and not wanting to like overdo the excitement of it.

Yeah. So trying to play it cool, you know, and, um, but I think that it went really well. Um, we're still, he's, you know, he is six and we're still learning. Uh, like I'm, he, he hasn't had singing lessons like at all. He hasn't been in a choir. That, what's one thing that, like, I realized not going to church and not having a church body like.

Mo a lot of kids. My me, I started singing as a tiny little, I don't know, whatever, three or 4-year-old. 'cause there was a church choir to sing, you know? Mm-hmm. There's like a kids' choir. Um, and so he doesn't have that. And so he is like, pitch isn't great. And I was like, how do I, like, I don't even know how to go back to the very beginning and teach just.

Pitch. How do you find this note? Um, [00:12:00] but he did great. He did great. It was a, well, when you read, you begin with A, b, c Well, he knows, he, he knows that song. I was like, you know the do song? Yeah, yeah, yeah. But like extrapolating that, taking that out of that song and applying this scale is like, yeah. Nope. Wow.

Okay. So when does he find out? I don't know. I don't know when, uh, I don't know when the cash list goes up, you know. Oh boy. Pins and needles. I know, I know. Um, and I really wanna find that out, and I don't, I. I hope that they do, I think that I remember from last year, dropping them off at school and like they do the whole, we're gonna post it on the board.

Oh, wow. And that's how you find out is the kids come see the board, you know, like Yeah. Will he accept any role or is he only, is he offer only for Chip? Yeah. Well, I, I know I talked to him about going offer only, but he decided to audition. He thought he would read for it. Um, he will accept any role. And we've talked about, this is a thing too, that I've been going back and forth on, like, do we.

Like I, I told 'em like, I want you to get cast. I want you to do this. I want you to enjoy, I want you to have that opportunity. Also, if [00:13:00] you don't get cast in this one, I don't care, man. I'm proud of you. Like you did it. You, you did the line, you learned the lines, you learned the song. You got it there, you did it.

Like, I'm proud of you for that and I'm impressed with you for doing that. Um, if, if it doesn't, but, so I was like trying to mitigate and then I was like, no, this is the thing that I do like, be excited. And then if it doesn't work out, be sad. Like it's okay. And I'm like recognizing that I'm already trying to shield my son from the pain of wow.

Of rejection. But no man, like let's get excited. Let's spend this time being excited and hoping, and then we'll spend the next time after this. If it doesn't go well, if we don't, if we, you don't get cast in this one, we will be sad. You know? Yeah. And we'll deal with the sadness that comes with that instead of trying to.

Amp it already and be like, it's okay. The audition is the blah, blah, blah, you know, whatever. Like, no, let's get excited and let's be sad if you don't get it. And let's be excited if you do, and let's, you know, go from here. All right. Let him be the new Ron Howard. So I can be Ron Howard's dad and just retire on my, my kid's name.

I'm [00:14:00] like, oh boy. I got my teeth whitened. Yeah, they look good. Are they, are they sparkling? They are sparkling. Tell me about it. Thanks. Uh, tell me my, my dentist had a special, so I, um, made an appointment for it back in June and kept rescheduling it 'cause of work and finally was able to do it. The way you said that was like.

'cause I try to whiten my teeth sometimes, but I'm very much DIY. I get some strips, I get some whatever you are. Like I got my teeth whitened. So yeah, I went to the dentist. I got a seen for me. Official. Official. Yeah. It hurt. It hurt like a bitch for the really a day. For a day. Yeah. It's better now. Beauty is pain, man.

Good. Beauty is pain. Sandy. Sandy. Beauty is pain. Yeah. Yeah. And uh, yeah, we're, we're, we're plowing through. Uh, I, I've got a whole bunch of, uh. Culture topics to share with you. Is that all we're gonna talk say about teeth? Well, they look great. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, what else is there to say? They're white.

Um, they really hurt that. So was, it wasn't like a laser thing. A a friend of mine one time got like a laser whitening and it fucked her mouth up. She had like blisters, like her mouth was. It looked like she had like burned her entire mouth. I don't, they put like, they like separated the lips and like [00:15:00] put stuff in to like protect the gums and then they put like a gel on it and then put a light right up to my mouth.

And then they took it off after 15 minutes, reapplied did it again. And then one more time. I don't, and you said it hurt. I don't think there was a laser. No. Um, it takes off like the top layer of the tooth or something. And so then like your nerves are exposed or something. It takes about a day for it to come back.

Yeah. If I breathe wrong, it was like, yeah. Yikes. Okay. Yeah, but they look great, man. Worth it. Thanks, man. Thanks. You know, trying to impress you. I'm trying to look as good as you do right now, which is the best you've ever looked. No. Stop. Yeah. Yeah. I, I thought that as soon as you signed on and I just needed to work up the courage to say it, so check.

I could check that off. That's always been the thing about, yeah. I wish you'd come outta your shell when it comes to complimenting me and men in general, it's, yeah. Yeah. You know, it's hard. It takes a shave. It takes you so long to work up the courage to say that. It does. I'm glad you could say it. It was those pearly whites that made you feel like you feel confident in saying it this time.

Yeah. Did you like a, you're very lumber sexual tonight. I [00:16:00] like it. I like it a lot. Yeah. It's, it's, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, you know, the New York Times said, uh, don't go outside today. It's very dangerous. So this is my HOA Hooka look. Hooga. Yeah. Correction corner. I already correction, cornered that once. Um, yeah. I also started another round of Mind Bloom, uh, last week.

Ooh, okay. Um, which I've told you about before. Mind Bloom is a, uh, ketamine treatment for depression. Um, and this is like the fourth time I've done it. Um. So, yeah. Uh, you know, I've talked to you about this before, but I haven't talked about it on the podcast yet. Yeah, no, you've never talked to me about it before.

We do all of this the first time on, on the podcast. That's, sorry. That's right. No, but this we've talked about shush, shush, shush. Um, yeah, mind Blews Mind blew was amazing. I did it for the first time in 2020 during the pandemic, which was a appropriate time to do it. Um, they mail it to you in the mail. You do zoom sessions with a clinician.

Um. And it's, uh, pretty, I, I was like working through something in the pandemic that I was having a hard time working through. And Mind Bloom completely [00:17:00] solved it for me. Like in one, uh, it was like the second session was the one that did it. Um, and it's just, it's very calming. I found it to be very centering.

Um, every time I've ever done it has been this time of year. So, um, it just felt like, and they were doing a sale around Thanksgiving and I was like, you know what, I'm gonna sign up again. Yeah. So, um, I'm trying to work on my anxiety. I feel like I carry a lot of, uh, this is a lot of information for the listeners, but, uh, carry, uh, too much anxiety more than I'm, uh, comfortable with.

And so I'm trying to work on that, not so much depression. Um, but yeah, it's, uh, I, I did my first two sessions. It's, do you wanna talk through the process at all or No? Is that just what you wanna tell us? Yeah, well now it used to be, um, lozenges that went into your mouth for seven minutes and then you spit out whatever was left and then, um, it basically like puts you in a K hole.

Um, so you have to have someone home while you're doing it. And then they, um, they, they prompt you through journaling before and setting an intention. And then there's different, um, music that you listen to and you can pick which one, and there's a little speech at the beginning or some sort of recording or something.

Pretty cool, sometimes profound. Um, it's [00:18:00] about 45 minutes to an hour. Um. And it just is, uh, it takes you somewhere very sort of peaceful and floaty. You put an eye mask on, you lay in the dark. Um, you, it makes your body very relaxed and your, your mind just kind of wanders. You kind. I find that I have no control over where my mind goes and I set an intention and sometimes that's what I think about and sometimes it's not.

But, um, I do think about my life and I think about people in my life and, um, I have realizations and, um. Yeah, they say, uh, that ketamine can basically, um, in our lives. We, um, when we remember past events in our lives, we remember them the same way over and over again. And it, it has the effect of creating in our brains kind of like.

The grooves on a record player. And so whenever we think about that memory, we're bas basically playing the same record over and over again. And we're thinking about it the same way. So if it's a horrible memory, it's a horrible, we're remembering it the same, uh, way. And the ketamine treatment comes in and it's almost like freshly fallen snow.

It's sort [00:19:00] of like erases the grooves. And so then it, um, it's like, I think they call it neuroplasticity. Mm-hmm. It sort of creates a neuroplasticity in the, in the brain. And so then you can look at things that have been bothering you or. Memories that have been troubling and sort of come at them from a new point of view.

And I, I did find it to be that way for me. It's like, um, sometimes if I'm remembering a memory, it's like replaying in my mind like a movie. And then the ketamine allows me to just like, oh, move the camera over here and be like, oh, that memory's not that bad. Um, so yeah, it's been pretty transformative. I, I highly recommend it and, um, that's great.

Yeah. In the, in the new year. Let's look at getting mind bloom as a sponsor. What if we came out of the gate with like a Ketamine sponsor? Oh my God, you love, you love to hawk wares. I love that. Yeah, I love that. That's where your mind goes. Of course. It's where my mind goes get, I'll get you. We'll try to get it for you for free next time.

Get someone to edit this. I'm in denial that I live in a capitalist society, basically. I mean, denial about it. How's that working out for you? Uh, you know [00:20:00] very well, very well. Uh, can I talk about my culture stuff now? Please do. I'm so excited to tell you about, well, first of all, morning show. I finally finished this season.

Yeah. Which we said we were gonna talk about. Uh, you were right. The ending is so extra. Yeah. Extra. So extra. So fucking extra. Like what is what? It's like they, you know what it is? It's like, it's like the annual budget, you know? Like it happens around, it happens in Q4 a lot. Everyone's like, oh shit, if we don't spend the money, we're gonna lose it.

We won't get the same budget next year. And I feel like they got, they came down to like the, the, yeah. Final third of the season. They were like, we have to go. Huge. We have to. We have to do something giant, even though it doesn't really Yeah. It's not warranted at all. Yeah. Yeah, totally. I, I felt like the whole season was like four different seasons of four different episodes or something, the way it was combined together.

Yeah. It, it, it just, uh, eh, terrible. Yeah. Yeah. Um, [00:21:00] good. Well that, yeah, that, I don't know if you know what else to, to say about. I, I love, there's nothing else to say. I do think that Jennifer Anderson's great. I, I, I think that she still holds true to what she can do, and I think she's really good in the show.

Um. So that's, I'll give a compliment there. And I do love how wacky and weird Billy cred up is. I think that he's just such a fun, loony tune of a g for sure. He just got a Golden Globe nomination today for it. Really? Yeah. I didn't know. I haven't, I haven't seen the, yeah, the Golden Globes. They snubbed wicked.

That's the big news. Wicked. Wicked. Did not get a. Best picture musical comedy nomination, but the girls both got nominated and the two new songs got nominated. So it's not empty handed, but uh, yeah, but still that's a good statement though, right? Yeah. It's bad because the Golden Globes, they, they divide the drama and the comedy.

Yeah. So for a wicked to not make it in the comedy at the globes is not good. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Uh, we finally watched weapons. Have you seen weapons? No. But tell me a little bit. Not much. Not much. A little. Uh, yeah, it's scary. I don't wanna ruin anything for you. Scary. Uh, good, good movie. I [00:22:00] watched like, um, 80% of it.

'cause I was like this. Um, I, yeah, like I, I, uh, I I got scared. Yeah. Okay. Uh, but it's good. It's really well done. Uh, there's a performance in it. I don't wanna spoil anything for you. That's pretty, um, incredible. And, um, yeah, it's a, it's a pretty good horror movie that. I think has something to say about, um, our culture and, uh, capitalism.

No, no guns. Oh, sure. School shootings. Um, yeah. Okay. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Alright. And then heated rivals. Do you know about this? Uh, only the Queerty talks about it sometimes on Instagram. I don't know anything else about it. Do you follow Queerty? Yeah, woof. Alright. Alright. Uh, yeah, it's a new, it's a Canadian show based on a, um, maybe a Canadian.

Novel series, series of novels, um, a gay series of novels about, uh, hockey players that have sex with each other. Oh, wow. Yep, yep, yep, yep. Okay. And, uh, it's super hot. It's on HBO. Um, [00:23:00] it's, it's on some channel in Canada, but HBO is the American. Um, okay. And so are they like already in it or is it like, or is it like a, a.

Uh, suspense, erotic. Uh, will they, won't they kind of thing or is it like from the gate they're like, we're banging and, uh, it's a little Will they, I mean, I've only seen two episodes, but the first two episodes there's some, will we, there's some, will they, won't they? And then there's some Do they ever Yeah.

Yeah. I mean, it's kind of trash, but it's so fun and it's so sexy and, um, it's what you want, right? That you want the story of porn you want. That's, this is exactly. This is right up your alley. Yeah. Good man. It's, it's good. It's good. I, I, uh, can't wait to watch the new episode. And then we just watched the whole, uh, p Diddy, Sean Puffy Combs documentary on Netflix.

Have you watched it? No. Dude, is it worth watching? Yeah. It's worth watching. Like is it worth, because I, I don't need to be convinced that he's a monster and that all that stuff happened. Like, is it worth watching? Yeah. I mean, I don't know. It's just a good documentary that I, I, I learned a lot from it. He is a monster.

Um, I'm, I'm sort of convinced that he's [00:24:00] gay and angry about it, and that's the source of all of these problems. That's how, that was my takeaway from it. And it makes me just think about Republicans in general. Uh, and I don't, I don't know if he's a Republican or not, but there's often, um. You know, Republicans are the first to anti-gay stuff and, and con conversion therapy.

And then they're, they're the first to get caught with all kinds of, always of those getting caught. Yeah. Yeah. Every time. Every time. Yeah. It's, yeah. Um, but this is like, I usually in that way, it's. Like, it, it, you know, it's such a cliche, but it's like when you're pointing one finger forward, there's three pointing back at you.

But like, that's what I feel like all these like Republican politicians are, that are like gonna, right, right, right, right, right. Rah. And then they're trying to get blown in bathrooms or whatever. Or they're totally got child porn going or whatever. Like he was sore and, and I guess help me, fill me in.

'cause I only know like broad strokes about Diddy. But like, it was aggressive and in, in a, in an assaulting kind of women kind of way. Right? Oh, yeah. Often It was like a domineering assault. Yeah. So yeah, [00:25:00] it, there was no, there was no, um, um, righteousness to it. It was just like, it was like full throttle in to the hetero world because he was mad about being gay or like, I mean, that's my, that's not what the, the documentary says, but that's my read on it.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. This is, this is Fitty Sense documentary. Yeah. Okay. I love that because I, he's, he's out doing interviews and I read, I don't know if this is true or not. I just love it. I love it for the drama of the world. I don't care one way or the other, but it seems fun that he was doing, he did ABC's interviews specifically because they play that in the Yeah, I heard that.

Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And then it, it had said, obviously, uh, we've heard this before, that did, he was involved with. Tupac and Biggie. Mm-hmm. Um, murders, which, um, if it's true, it's just also crazy and like, um, Shakespearean almost. Yeah. If that's true. And like, um, I don't know. It'll be interesting to see if this whole thing takes him down or he reinvents himself.

'cause he is like, he, he does seem like he was a really hard worker and like a go-getter and, um, [00:26:00] you know, he, he, he didn't, he he worked hard for where he got. Yeah. That is very clear in the, in the documentary and so. Uh, and he always kept reinventing himself. It'll be interesting to see if he's able to pull a rabbit out of the hat and do it again, but, um, I mean, how, how long is he away?

It's supposed to be, uh, five 50 months or something. Oh, okay. With time served or something. Okay. Uh, so, all right. Yeah, I don't know. All right. Um, yeah, the only bit of culture I wanna throw in is, uh, I've been, I've kept up with pluribus and I just wanna say there's this one moment in episode, I don't know, four, um, where.

She has to, she takes some drugs and films herself, like to see what happens. She's trying to, she's doing like research on, on this drug thing she wants to figure out. And I think that, and she carries this show, like whether she carries it well or not is up to the beholder, but like, this is about her, you know?

Sure. It's like ensemble and her, um, and there's a lot. She's so, so a lot of it is asked of her in this show, but this scene in particular, it's just like. Go through the stages of being on [00:27:00] a drug that we also kinda have to make up how this drug works, you know? And that's always tricky and I always get a little bit nervous for actors who have to be fucked up on, especially on something that like wacky something.

Yeah. And she It's a made up thing. Yeah. Well, it's a, I mean, whatever I, I guess spoiler, if you're still watching, haven't seen this part, but it's like a truth serum. She find like, she like a a, it's an injectable truth serum, but it goes like, it's not just like, oh, now I have to tell the truth. She trips, right?

So it's like a whole trip that kinda gets you to this place of like, you end up just spewing honest things. Um, so there's like stages of getting to that, that point where you can, she's just like rolling and, and going through a trip. Um, and she just like. It does a really good job. And then when it's, you know, when you wanna make TV out of it, it's like some of those moments need to be funny.

And some of them can be poignant and like some of, but like all of it has to be genuine. All of it has to be convincing. Or like, to me that's one of those really easy spots to see an actor work is when you see someone on drugs, you know? Yeah. Or, or whatever. Or drunk or [00:28:00] whatever, and she nails it. Um, so I just want to give.

That show and, uh, that performance. A little bit of credit since you were so quick to dismiss it. Yeah, I didn't like it. So are you liking it? It's weird. I, I'm not even sure I'm gonna stick with it. It still got me like in a spot where it's like, I want to know what's going on. I, I like the way that Culligan does things.

I like it is a cool, it's a weird, cool concept. It's interesting. Um, it's out there enough that it's keeping me in there. There are moments that I'm like, I don't know. I don't know. I keep doing this. It's, it's weird for weird sake, or like, I'm not really buying whatever's going on, but, uh, I think she's doing a great job.

There's a lot of heavy lifting for her and the kind of like. Re-upped me, uh, this past episode, this and that scene. Like, 'cause I just think that's such a, it's a thing that happens a lot and it's a thing that does not happen well a lot. Mm-hmm. Okay. And I thought she nailed it. So all I'm gonna stick with it.

I mean, maybe I'll be proved wrong and it'll be the best thing that ever was created on television, and I'll come back to it 10 years from now, [00:29:00] but yeah. I'm gonna, I'm gonna take a pause on it. Yeah, that's fine. Yeah. Yeah. Keep anything gets crazy. Good. I'll let you know, but I'll just. You know, I'll just let you know.

You don't have to. Okay. Please. I think it okay if you to not watch it. Sometimes when the shows are that weird, I just am like, they're never gonna, maybe it's like Lost did this to me. It's just like they're never gonna, this is weird. It's gonna keep getting weirder. It's never gonna give you any satisfactory answers.

Yeah. You know? Yeah. That's, that. There is that And Lost did that to me too on one hand, in like a way that I evolved as an audience member is like the, that is like. The sugar, right? Like the, the, the, what is it? What's the thing? But like, but if we're gonna watch seasons of something or we're gonna watch this whole story, then like, the stuff that's happening day to day is what matters really, you know?

Yeah, totally. But Lost was like, I was so mad by the end of that when they were like, we told you, we were never really gonna explain it. Like, fuck you, man. We spent six years. And then you, the big reveal was like, what? This last season is not what the whole thing was. It drives me crazy. Yeah. Um, but yeah, I, I'm trying to think about like.

And I [00:30:00] don't, I'm not even sure that I care like the thing. What it is or like what you find out about the craziness of the thing that's happening in Pluribus? Um, it, I, I don't even think that they're trying to make it like, what, you know, like that's not the, it's not lost. It's not the island. It's not like what is the big mystery here?

It's like this crazy thing happened here. Now we go, you know? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I feel like Leftovers did a good job with that too. It's like a crazy thing has happened. Yes. We're always, we're, we're always aware of this crazy thing and we're always wondering what the fuck this was. But the show is not about just figuring out what that thing was.

Yeah. Um, but so I, you don't have to watch it. I'm gonna stick with it, so I'll let you know. Alright. Thank you for the appreciate, I appreciate Yeah. Um. I almost, I try to take lead on like moving categories and I, I'm not good at it. So Do you wanna move on or do we have culture? I'll move on to the Hepatitis vaccine.

Uh, uh, what a fail like. Okay. So they have decided that, um, they're no longer gonna require, uh, babies to get the hepatitis vaccine. Uh, which was usually, I think it was for the [00:31:00] past 30 years, administered in the first day, first couple hours mm-hmm. After being born. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Um, and now it's going to be optional.

Um. And, uh, they've already made other changes to the vaccine schedule for kids. Mm-hmm. I don't remember offhand exactly what they were. Do you? No, no. But there, there were other changes and there's more on the way. And, uh, I just think this is such a, um, the tale of this administration and the wreckage it causes is, um, it's so scary.

I, uh, I, um. Yeah, man, I, I don't know. I mean, uh, hepatitis is, is really bad if, if it's bad and not good. And, and, um, there, well, my problem with it is too, is like, I, like I know people, I know people that I love and respect who are, are still very much like of the, I. I'll hear all sites and like with my children, I want to know all the information.

You know, they're, the pharmaceutical complex is like a real fucking thing and it like absolutely there's problems in it for sure. So like I get it. I get the weariness of science and then when you put, we were talking about this before, like when you have a [00:32:00] bunch of people yelling for years and years and years not to trust the experts, and then you put them in charge and now it's like, well yeah, now we can't trust the expert.

Now you are like making it harder to ever trust an expert ever again. And what. This, this administration has fucking nothing. I mean, the, the, uh, the RFKJ like continues to make up sources. Like he cites made up research, so it's like literally nothing. He has nothing to offer, and now it's holding like as much weight as actual experts who dedicated their life to learning these things to try to save humanity.

Like, I don't get, it feels like they're trying, like, I don't know what the point is other than to make life harder for the poor people of this country and keep it. Keep a people oppressed? I don't know. Yeah. I mean, I just don't think I will ever understand the point of view of questioning the experts. I am not interested in questioning the experts.

Yeah. I'm so grateful for all the experts in all the fields. I'm so glad that I don't have to spend my energy studying vaccines and science. Well, I guess aside, like when the people, like people have different, there are experts who [00:33:00] will disagree about something or have differing opinions on something, you know, or whatever, like that'll happen there.

Historians have different takes on things or they're, you know, scientists have sure different takes on things, but yeah, we're not talking about expert, like the people who have put themselves in the positions that have normally been held by experts are not at all experts in these, in these fields. Yeah.

So like, they're just full of shit, but they're in the position of where an expert would be. And so now, like you can't trust the head of the CDC, you can't trust like the, you know, like you can't trust the. Positions held by experts that have always been held by experts. Yeah. And I, I agree with you. Like, I, I don't mean like we should, we should check the research of the actual experts who have been putting out research for all of this time.

You know, like, um, I, I, I don't know, it seems can we just put them all in Florida? Sure. Like that would be my vote. Like, let's just send everybody who doesn't want the vaccines to Florida Great. And call it a day. Um, yeah, I, I think it's a pretty sad, uh. Sad state of affairs. Yeah. What is this thing? You've had this on the outline the past two weeks, I think.

I [00:34:00] know. Last two weeks. Yeah. And I'm, I'm finally, uh, I'm gonna get to it. So yeah, I'm excited to talk about it. The, um. I don't know what organization it was, I didn't write it down. And I think of that, I don't care, and I also don't wanna give them airtime, but an organization that in title sounds, uh, w worthy and like, but I think in practice's, maybe not, but they put out their list of anti-Semites of the year.

Um, every year. Um, and, um, they put out the list this year and Tucker Carlson was on it. I don't really, I don't think I knew any of the other real names, but they put Miss Rachel on there because she's been like, pretty vocal specifically. It's really fun. Like it's so, I. Uh, it's a fan, funny is the wrong word.

It's dangerous and it's, it's so misguided and, uh, it's a real, it's a bully tactic. I don't really know if this organ, whatever, but Ms. Rachel has been pretty vocal about the children in Gaza and that she would like for them to stop dying and that had her, uh, make the top 10. Can I ask who? Ms. Rich, miss Rachel is.

Oh, this is so funny. I'm so glad that, just to jump a little bit here, [00:35:00] that we changed our. Our next topic at the last minute, because Miss Rachel is maybe the most famous children's, uh, personality in the world right now in the country for sure. Okay. Um, she was like a bluey. She knocked Bluey out. Well, bluey is fictional.

So Miss Rachel is like a woman. Like, she's like, um, like this isn't exactly right, but like Raffi, like she's a per, like, miss Rachel is a per, you know, Raffi. No, you, when you were a kid, you don't know Raffi songs, baby beluga? No. Uh, banana phone. Are you fucking kidding me, dude? No, bro. Wow. Oh man. We were kids at different times.

Maybe. Yeah. Yeah. But it, Raffi was a, I came into raf. I know Mr. Rogers. I know Sesame Street. Okay. So Mr. Rogers is a good one. So, Mr. Rogers, okay. Uh, Mr. Rachel is, I mean, that's a better one. Mr. Mr. Rachel is Mr. Rogers. She does younger kid stuff like, like a lot of, like very like baby to toddler. Uh, she works on like counting and your ABCs and really just like.

Be like being a good person. She's got a good approach to kids and she like, she. She became a huge personality, a [00:36:00] huge hit. She's got toy lines and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. And she's a, a genuinely very, I don't know her, but I know friends who know her and she seems like a very genuinely like sweet, good person.

Um, and she genuinely loves babies and children and she's genuinely been heartbroken that there are babies and children dying. And she has been doing, she has a huge platform and a lot of money and a lot of influence and has been using that. To try to help, try to, like, she's been like talking to the people at the UN and she's been like doing a lot of things to try to try to get people involved to help.

And it, she keeps getting painted as just like only like, it's all anti-Semitic. It's all anti-Israel. It's just like, that's all that it is. It's like, which is just not true's, not what it is. But the only silver lining in her being on this list for me personally, this, the silver lining I can find is that, uh, Nick Fuentes did not make the list.

Um, and he, and he's upset about it goes out of his way to try to be antisemitic. He's like, that's his, like the whole brand. He and Tucker Carlson did a fucking mutual masturbation on a live stream. Yeah. Yeah. A couple weeks ago. You know, like it was [00:37:00] all just racism and antisemitism. Yeah. And I just think that guy, there's been like.

Articles recently about Nick Fuentes being like, becoming more mainstream dude, maybe. And I guess it's worth keeping an eye on, 'cause the fringe stuff you gotta keep an eye on, but nobody respects that guy. That guy gets no time. He, he couldn't even make the anti-Semite of the year list. Like, that guy is so forgettable.

Um, so anyway, that makes me happy, which, you know, is, that's good. I, I will bring up again, Nicholas, if this ever makes it to you and you want to get together for a live stream charity boxing match, I would be happy to, uh, fight you. I'm married to a Jew, so you get to fight a Jew lover if you want to go on TV and.

Fight, uh, for charity, you know. Nice. I don't, I don't really, violence, don't really, I don't have any opinions about this topic, as you know. So, uh, well, based on, based on the, um, the, the qualifications it took for Ms. Rachel to be nominated, I thought maybe you would also be sad that you weren't nominated. No, no.

It's, uh, I, I don't, I don't actually, yeah. Um, yeah, I just don't know what to say. It's a tragic, horrible, yeah. I situation, dunno what the organization, it's a very specific thing and it really is [00:38:00] just like. I, yeah, this is not a bigger statement at all. It's just I love that Nick Fuentes can't even get on a list of the things that he probably cares most about.

Yeah. Yeah. Sad. Um, alright, well, so should we, uh, talk about our, our topic that we changed at the last second? We should talk about our topic. Yeah. So, so we were, we were prepping this, uh, recording today. Mm-hmm. And we had a different topic in mind and then we, you, you brought up, um, like, uh, you guys had plans this past weekend and I asked if you had a sitter and that led us into talking about how when people have kids, um.

Their lives have to change, their social lives change. That's not what you said. Say what you said. What did I say? I don't remember. What did I say? No, you talked about what you and Andrew would say. What? Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Uh, like a, like a, a a, a former friend of mine, uh, we would, um, around the time of our late twenties, everybody was having friends and, uh, I'm sorry, everybody was having kids.

And, uh, we would talk about how, uh. Like if someone [00:39:00] said that they were having a kid, it would, it, it actually meant for us that, okay, that friendship is like. We can say goodbye to that friendship as we knew it. Um, and so we would grieve a little bit selfishly and I, to be honest, that, that that's something that I've experienced every time a friend of mine has had a kid.

Um, and so, uh, which I'm sure you've experienced too, from friends that had kids. Yeah. Yeah. It happens. I mean, the only way that that changes is then you have a kid and then you're. Kids have. Yeah. You know, like that's part, like, that's, I mean it's, yes, you lose some friends. Yeah. You also get closer to some friends because like you have friends that you are like cool with and then you end up having kids on the same time and you end up being close friends.

Yeah. Because you're like, our kids, let's put them together. And well at least for the, for the first couple years, like they don't have an opinion. They're just around another kid. They're parallel playing. So like they can entertain each other so we can hang out and you end up like growing new friendships and that's how like moving forward, you know, like I'm having to actually like start.

Uh, being a little more, uh, um, personable at drop off and pickup. 'cause I'm realizing like these [00:40:00] parents are my new friend pool and you know, there's part of me that's like, I don't care, man. Like, I'm not trying to make, they all seem lovely. They seem like good people off that I'm just like not trying to make friends.

And that's, yeah. This weekend is, I was realizing like, I don't have a lot of friends left. That's just part of it, I think is the pandemic and the world these days and like the, the remoteness of the world. But yeah, I mean kids, kids change that. There's like. That's certainly a, a, a, a, a big change. And yeah, like we always have to, I don't know, what do you think about, oh, we didn't preface at all.

Like, uh, I think that we try hard, I try hard, like you're, you're the, you personally are the top of the list of people I try with, you know, like however much it does or doesn't work. Yeah. I, I mean, yeah, we, we, we, for sure. And, um, I mean, I wish I saw you more, uh. Socially outside of the podcast, but I do think that we try.

Um, but the same can definitely not be said of my other friends with kids. [00:41:00] I mean, every single one I've, you know, that, that's just sort of been like the nail in the coffin. Not, not like the friendships ended, but any sort of like. Continuing working at it. Um, and it's like, I think not having kids, but, um, you know, experiencing my sister's kids and babysitting the few times that I did, and I understand like how much I, I, I, I can imagine, I can empathize how much it takes over your life and becomes your life and that there is no other time and probably you're not.

Being a good parent, if that's not the case, would be my guess. Yeah. Um, but, uh, yeah, it as the, as the other side of it, you often feel the pressure of like, it's totally on me to keep this friendship going. I'm the one who has to like, reach out and bring gifts to the baby. So many gifts. The straight, the straight people need so many gifts.

You need your, it's your, oh, you're getting married. And then the girls invite the gays to the, the gays do not want to go to the bridal. What do they call 'em? The little. Preview. I'm not invited. [00:42:00] No bridal shower. It's bridal shower. Gays do not want to go to that. You gotta get a gift. Say no. Oh, you can't say no.

You gotta get a gift for that. And then you gotta go for the wedding. You gotta get for gift for that. And then the baby shower, you gotta get a gift for that. Then the baby's grow this cross off your back. Just don't go. You don't have to go to it. It's so. Exhausting the amount of money you have to spend, if you have straight friends that pursue heteronormative lives.

It is exhausting, God forbid. And then all the gay people wanna do is get married. And we we're not even sure we get to keep that. Like, it's just exhausting. Um, but yeah, I, I did find like, I, you know, it makes me sad, but also like, so happy. You're so happy for your friends and you, you know, um. It, it, it's amazing to see your friends grow when they have kids, and obviously all of that is true.

And so it's just like the ebb and flow of life. Like, it, it's more like a grieving of when the announcement comes that there's a baby. It's like a, it's a grieving moment. It's a, it's a recognizing a, a passage of time is like. [00:43:00] Over. Yeah. And you didn't even know that it was about to be over and it's over and it's done and you can't get it back.

And I don't know, I think it's a little sad sometimes. Yeah, for sure. I get that. I feel selfish saying that, but it's my truth. Well, I think that like, I mean, I, I, I would. I hear that, and even as someone with kids, obviously, like, uh, it, it's, it is like, it's a life, it's a life step. It's a life move. So like, if you get a new job or you have to move or you, you know Yeah.

Even in a different borough, you're like, well, I don't know how often I'm gonna see that person anymore. Totally. But like, you know, it just, it is a change in life and those do happen and should happen. Yeah. And like, you know, like. Th there are, we, I, like, I have groups of friends that I used to do, you know, we would drink all the time together.

We'd go to the bar on the weekends together. And like, that was so much fun. And like in my twenties and thirties and like that, that was like, that was a, a set thing. And it was a giant group of good friends that we love doing that with. And like, if I was still doing that, I don't even think I'd feel good about my life as Sure.

And there is a way to, like, I'm not saying that style of whatever, but like, if I was still doing that exact same thing, it wouldn't [00:44:00] feel, uh, good, you know? Um, and certainly there's a lot of like. Like having kids, having kids is not an accomplishment. Like it's. Just, but that part is biology. Like that is, you know, like, it's, it's, it, it's not you.

I don't think you need, congratulations for like, having done something big, you know? But it is absolutely a, uh, life change, you know, and it's a, it's a, I mean, I, I, dude, my brain just doesn't work. It's since, since I, since having kids, my sleep has never been the same. And the older they get, the easier it gets.

But I also spend so much of my time now, like they're very verbal. They're totally functioning young children. I spend more time talking to a four and 6-year-old than any other person on the planet. Mm-hmm. So it's like hard. It is like I, the energy to code switch and to adult speak and like be out to do something and like, you know, like make it, make myself a.

Present enough to contribute to whatever's happening is like, yeah, it's so hard. It's just exhausting. Which I'm not trying to like, [00:45:00] that's not a pity party. It just like is exhausting. No, I can imagine. I get that. Yeah. I said something like, my brother has three daughters and he, his, uh, uh, his second daughter was born right around the same time that our son was born first.

So like I, so he hasn't, his first daughter is, he was the first kid, his, geez, I don't know how to say this. My brain, I'm telling you, his daughter was the first. Grandchild, new generation. Yeah. Grandchild. Um, and so when Caleb was born, and I guess maybe like a year into Caleb's life, uh, I was saying to my brother David, I was like, uh, yeah, just like, it's tough, man.

Like I feel like I'm like, not as fun or funny as I used to be. And he was like, yeah, you're not dude like you, you're, you're not. Yeah, you're tired, you're grumpy. Things have changed. You don't know what's happening in your life. Like yeah, you're right, you're not. You're not as sharp, you're not as funny, you're not as fit.

You know, like there's a, there is a little bit of like, like forget to, I, I try myself to be active. I've one positive I think is that [00:46:00] I don't think anyone, I don't think that anyone that would be offended by this listens to this podcast, but it's like, uh, it makes me more, uh, discerning on who I'm gonna spend my time with.

Oh yeah. 'cause you know, um. So, so there's, so it's easier to be like, so, so there's probably, I have some, some former friends out there who feel like you do and probably feel shafted and feel like I was probably a dick to something, to whatever. Like they're mourning it and I could have done better with it, but like, I, you're not gonna make the cut anymore.

Like there's, there's a, there's a, there's a. There used to be more time in the day. There used to be more time at night to do things and see more people, and like there just isn't. Yeah, yeah. You know, I like, whether I'm with the kids or whether I'm at the grocery store buying Cheez-Its and fruit snacks, you know, whatever.

It's like I, I have to prioritize things and people are gonna, some people are gonna make the. Cut. Yeah. And some are not gonna make the cut, you know? Yeah, yeah, yeah. And listen, like I'm not, I'm not trying to like villainize decisions or, or anything like that. I don't, I don't that, that, that's not the, the point of what I'm trying to say.

I'm just trying to give voice to the other side of it that I think it, it gets. [00:47:00] Doesn't get acknowledged a lot. And I think it's, um, valid to be feeling, uh, that way when you're the friend who's not having the kids. Yeah. You know? I know. That's fair. Yeah. Um, and, and, and sometimes the, um, when, when friends make the decision not to have kids, and then there's like a judginess that comes from the people with kids about that.

Yeah. That, that I, that I think is pretty shitty. And, um, well, the ju is, and like, frankly the fucking, the norm, the baseline is like. Have kids. Right. So then if you're not going to it, it's like, oh, why aren't you gonna have kids? Yeah. Fucking because I don't have kids like, who care. Like, totally. They're like, listen, if you're not sure you want to have kids, don't fucking have kids.

Yeah, for sure. Yeah. Like it, I I think it's a, I think it's a perfectly noble thing to, to, I think that like paying attention to the fact that that is the next generation of people. Matters, you know? But like, if you don't wanna do it yourself, and you don't, if you don't even want to be involved in with kids, like, great, don't, like, great.

You know? Yeah. Um, and I like, [00:48:00] I, I don't know again, like we could do a better job of all of it, but like, it's important to me and Jen that you and Quan are a part of our kids' lives because we want you to be a part of, like, we want you of course, to be a part of the course. You know, village, I guess that they know that they're, you know, like coming up around.

Yeah. They need to see that there's another way to live. They need to, they need to be exposed to some non heero nor to the non Kidd life or the non, just the non parenting life. Yeah. They need to see, alright. You know what it time for cool stuff they have. Yeah, exactly. Exactly. You know what it's time for?

I do. Who would you fight? Who would you fight? Pow. Pow. Yeah. Very hip. Uh, you wanna go first? Yeah, I'll go first. Um. Uh, I, I'm gonna find the new Instagram layout. I hate it. It's all different. It's all new. It's, and it's like dangerously new. They move the thing. So now when I try to swipe out of my messages, it swipes immediately to reels.

So, and it turns the sound [00:49:00] on. So if I'm laying in bed and I forget that I. I, it's a good, actually, it's a good reason to not be on Instagram in my bed. So a good, good job, Instagram for getting me off social media sooner in the night. So yeah, all these apps, they keep changing and like, I just did a new update, update on my phone and I'm like, what is all this liquid stuff?

Um, oh, the liquid stuff. I know. I don't know how I feel. Yeah, boo. Yeah. Yeah. It's weird. I want to fight, uh, Spotify wrapped because. First of all, we all know Spotify is bad. Yeah. Um, and that we should not be giving our money to Spotify. But if you do, um, for whatever reason, that is your business and whatever, but maybe don't advertise to the whole world that you're still doing it.

My other problem with it is like, what, what do people think? We do. When you post your Spotify, did you post one? I don't mean to go down this route if you did. No, if it was a joke. One I posted, I said, this is my [00:50:00] Spotify rap, and it was the, there's a, there's a, a super fan from K-Pop demon hunters who's just yelling and crime.

That was it. But it's like, do people think we're like, oh, oh, oh my god. Jonathan just posted his Spotify rap. I better like stop everything. Who do you think it is like. No one literally cares about anyone else's Spotify rap. You are shouting into the void. What if you, what if, what if just for, just for, uh, uh, a thought experiment.

What if people aren't shouting into the void? What if they're just placing a thing to say, ah, there you go. You wanna look or you want to immediately scroll past and that's all it takes? Is this much? I, I just wanna encourage everybody to, if you are still using Spotify and if you're still posting your Spotify wrapped just.

Take a moment to what, like what is it you're hoping to get from that? Um, because I am suspicious about it. Like it unless slash Broho I was in your Spotify rep and then we wanna know about it. There you go. Am I a killjoy because of that? I don't mean to be such a Debbie Downer, but I'm that. There's, there's something not because of that.

There's [00:51:00] something about it that makes me feel icky. The Spotify rap, it makes me feel icky inside. Um, I feel like for a lot of reasons, us and the, uh, at large, like we're all aware that Spotify is continuing to make destructive choices and we're kind of like, not like, I mean, we're on Spotify. People are listening to this right now on Spotify.

Yeah, totally. And I don't know how to feel about that, you know? Um. You know, so I, I still shop at Home Depot. I try my best to not shop on Amazon, but you know, I don't know, but I also don't post my like end of year shopping list from Home Depot, so. Yeah. Yeah. I don't know. Try where you can. Try where you can.

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