The Price of Doing Tea in China

From bad auditions to unexplained blackouts, Jonathan and Tom revisit their earliest performing experiences — and the strange ways they shaped who they are today.

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[00:00:00] What, uh, what's up? We did it. We did it. Look at that. This is Bro Hoa with Jonathan and Tom. I'm Jonathan. I'm Tom. This is episode number 25. We are recording this episode on Monday, December 15th, uh, 25. 25. 25. We can rent a car enough. We can rent a car. Yeah. We're a quarter century. Wow. You are a little, you got the snotty.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I, I've been, uh, dealing with, uh, upper respiratory, blah, blah, blah, man. Yeah. I'm sorry. That's the worst. I don't even have kids. Like, what? Yeah. What are you doing with it? Your body's supposed to be conditioned for the germs that you see that like. I'm sure it's still a kid's fault though.

It's some kids' fault out there. The kid, I, I don't understand how kids get the germs that they get. I don't understand what those germs are. Kids have worse gr like more intense germs. I don't know. Yeah, I, I don't understand it. It's disgusting. I'm sorry that you're sick though. It, they're Petri dishes.

Yeah, it's okay. It's, I'm, I think I'm getting better. It's just uh, got a tail. [00:01:00] Got a tail on it. How are you? I'm good. I'm good. What do, um, just did a bunch of manly, manly stuff this weekend. Built a bunch of shelves and put in some built-ins and, yeah. So yeah, you showed up on our little checkin call in like, uh, uh, overalls and like, kind of sweaty and was gotta dress the part that was the best you've ever looked.

Oh man. That was the best you've ever looked. I should have. Uh, I wish, I don't, I would've worn my overalls. Uh, you know, uh, they're still. They're still dirty. I have a, like, so that I don't get the whole house dirty. I have a, like a, a, a, a practice of like everything gets left, like at the bottom of the stairs, like in the one spot stays dirtiest if I clean everything up, you know?

So there's still an overall apparel, overalls, and sweatshirt. Yeah. Wear your dirty overalls on a episode. No shirt though. Just the overalls all. I think we can make that happen. Yeah. I think the fans, fans would love that. The, the, the broho, the bro Broho, is that what it is? I think it's just Broho. Right.

But I mean, I like Broho. Broho. That's right. Broho is, you know, one night with, on a, on Gemini, I was just [00:02:00] messing around with some AI and I, I made. Little, like I made like, uh, characters of the, of, uh, Broho and bro heists. The, the, the Broho are us as Greek gods. Like, as like, God, I think we should do like a whole series, like a, like a throughout time, kind of like the Ambigu, a gay duo, but like the opposite of that.

Uhhuh Uhhuh. And just like super hot, like Greek demi guides, bro, bro. Heus and bros. I love it. I love it. All right. Yeah. Let, let's see. We're bring that to the next meeting. I'd love to see that. How are you, other than, other than being kind of snotty and sick, how are you otherwise? Um, I'm good. I, um, we, I think I told you last week we had like a leak in our bathroom.

Mm-hmm. So this was a weekend of, uh, the landlord and their. Um, men coming to fix the leak, it's still in process. Um, it's, it's, it is, they were here like kind of all weekend, [00:03:00] so it was kind of shitty, but it's getting fixed. But there's bigger problems, but it's like. Kind of the price of doing tea in China?

Is that the saying? The no, the think the price of tea in China. Oh, not doing tea. I think that means like, it doesn't matter to us. Like that's like it's a, it's, it means as much as the price of tea in China. Like we are not affected by that. I thought it's what that, that catchphrase meant that. What's the catchphrase?

That's like, it's the price you pay for. The price of doing, the price you pay. Oh. It's not the, the price of doing tea. It's not the price of doing tea. That's not the price of, uh, not the price of doing tea in China. Um, but that's the, the, there's a saying, there's a saying, uh, shit correction quarter next week to me.

Okay. Let's find it. Um, but I agree with you that there is something very like, and it's a very. Like, you certainly learned it in New York. I'm sure you get it other places in the world too, but like what you pay might not necessarily be monetary. So like, you know, you have, you guys have um, put in sweat equity and put in your time and you put in like Yeah, yeah.

What I'm trying to say is we have like a stupidly nice, stupidly [00:04:00] big, nice ish apartment for what we pay in rent. Mm-hmm. And so it's the price of doing that's very nice. Don't price of doing tea in China, doing tea in China. It's just, you know, sometimes you gotta pay the piper in China for the tea. You want in, uh.

In hand. That's right, that's right. So we have a leaky, fucking leaky bathroom. You can lead a horse to tea in China, but you can't pay for it. Sure. I don't know. I really don't know which one. You're, I mean, what, like I, man, I'm gonna be, I don't know. Uh, ride us, write us, uh, call us. Call in, call your senators and write us, tell us, write your senator.

What? Do you have any, do you have any correction corners from last week? I don't think it's really a correction. Um. But I just wanna clarify, uh, Jose Lon is the man I was talking about last week, NYC gay dad, I think I might've said NY gay dad is his handle on Instagram. NYC gay Dad was one of the co-hosts of Love Take two, the podcast that I, um, stepped outside of our relationship for.

And then, um. Uh, James Bullard, uh, on Radical Joy. Uh, I'll be [00:05:00] the premier episode of season four. That day's been banging him out. Season four starts in January. Oh, wow. So it'll be a couple weeks before we get that. Um, for that one, the new one comes out. But just wanted to clarify, you know, in our, in our moment of, of free love, um, and.

Polly pottery. Um, poy, not pottery, but, um, I would love to do like a ghost. I knew you were gonna I knew it. Like the moment, moment it came out. Don't hot, hot. Even the, even the misspeak of pottery. I was like, we're gonna end up a ghosts. I know. We're gonna ghost these so hot. We should do a, a shoot for next season.

We should, I mean, unfortunately, we really should do a I'll set that up. Who, who's gonna be in front and who's in back though? Oh. That's a good question. I don't know. We'll, we will pull the fans, the bro Romanians. Yeah, the Broho. We'll, we'll, we'll, we'll see. Who should be the Debbie Moore and who should be the, I mean, I know we've moved on past it.

I think it was 25 episodes ago, but you know, I think we're. We're both [00:06:00] verse, right? I think that, so maybe we just have to do both. You're a power bottom. I'm so convinced. I'm so, I'm sorry that you're scared to think of me as a top. I'm sorry that you don't think you get bottom for me. No, I mean, please, please, please.

I'm pretty strong, but you know. No, please, please. I'm not, I, I, I've, I'm not worried about that. It's okay. I, I don't want you to be scared. I'll take care of you, I promise. Uhhuh. Okay.

See, that's fucking, I can't ever play that game of chicken with you. There's no, it's a, it's a, it's a windless game. What else did you do this weekend or what? This past week. Oh, what else did I do this past week? Oh, well, it's, um, you know, Christmas is coming up. It's the holidays now, and so anybody, anybody who's children are listening, um, shame on you.

Don't let this, don't let them listen to bro home homes. But, um, yeah, also, yeah. Tune away now because, uh, this past week, um, and that actually would've been before last episode, but I didn't get a chance to bring it up. I forgot, but I took, the kids, wrote letters to Santa. And, um, they, both of [00:07:00] them crammed, just crammed a regular envelope full of shit.

Like they all had, like, it was like a beautiful mind. They were like scattering things down and writing the as as they thought of it and all went in this letter and like they scotch taped clothes and like took 'em to me, to Brunswick to go to the post office and I have a PO box at the post office, so I was just gonna go.

Put them in the PO box and wait, why do you have a PO Box bro? I'd be getting stuff, man. I'd be getting stuff from people. I'd be getting stuff from, you see, you're always trying to sleep on sponsors. You're always trying to sleep on sponsors. But sometimes you gotta get a little stuff, you know, sometimes you gotta get a little Why, why do you need a PO Box to get this stuff?

Because also people crae, you know, I'm not trying to be all over the internet with my home address where my kids live and my wife lives. Okay. Um, uh, so, um. I was just gonna go put 'em in the PO box and then go back and get 'em sometime later, you know? Um, but I, Sydnee wanted to go with me. Um, so, 'cause I'm not gonna stop her.

So she came with me and it was a lovely walk. We had a, a great time going to the post office together, but I got in and I was talking to the lady who shout out to, I don't know her name and I'm not gonna give away which [00:08:00] one, whatever. But the lady at the post office was. ACEs, she's always great, always friendly, always very helpful, but she did not understand What I was saying is I jotted real quick down my, my bro.

I wrote my PO box number down on the envelope and I was like, Hey, these are. Here for Santa, we're gonna mail these to Santa also. That's just my PO box. If you wanna go put those in my PO box, you can just go right there. And she like couldn't get, and Sydney's right here next to me. And like, she couldn't get that part across.

And she was also like determined in a helpful way to, she was like, oh, I know we have the address for this. Like there's a, you know, there's a miracle on 34th Street, there's a place all the letters to Santa Go. But that would've meant your, your letter would've went. Missing. And you didn't want that? Yes.

Okay. Right. I wanted just to keep, yeah, I want it back. And we don't, we didn't have it stamped or anything. It was just Scri Santa, you know, like, just like, and so I, I was like, yeah, yeah, make sure these get to Santa or just put them in the trio box. That's my trio box number. And eventually I had to be like, Hey, Sy, go grab one of those.

Pens are like stuff they have, you know, like the, uh, whatevers you, you know, there's like, go get, go get some of that. We'll take that home with us and that's my PO [00:09:00] box. Can you just go put those in there please? And she was like, oh. So we got that worked out. So, um, now, and now I'm leaving them there. 'cause I don't, I, I gotta have like a secure place to put them before.

What's going on over there? Um, there's cat sneezing and, um, fiance. Getting undressed to go shower. Yeah, I gonna say there's clothes coming. Flying in over. There's clothes flying. Yeah. Ooh. Are we in sweep? This is kind of like end of midseason. Is this a midseason? Sws? Don't encourage it. Nick, can you hear me through your headphones, Nick?

Whoa. No he can't. I'm gonna call him. I'm gonna call him and tell him to walk through. I'm gonna call him. Tell him to walk through. Don't. Don't. And then, and then CHIPS is sneezing. I don't know why chips is s Aw. Yeah. I give chips is snotty. Two. You give. Oh, you're a Petri dish. Would be terrible. Look at you.

That'd be terrible. We'll wait until he is in that towel when he is finished that shower. So you got the Santa letter back? Yeah. Okay. So I, I, well, they're, it might, yes, they're still there. Um, but yes, I have those mm-hmm. Waiting there. Um, so that worked out. It was all a wonderful parent misadventure. Um, the only other thing that happened, because it's just all, all [00:10:00] bad life all the time these days is tonight, uh, I introduced Caleb to, sorry, the game.

And I was like. You know, uh, things have just been a little too calm around here for a while. Let's fuck things up a little bit and let's create some real tension in here. Mm-hmm. Um, and it was, I mean, he loved it. He loved it. Of course he loved it. Um, but I had to make a, I, I don't let my kids, like, I don't just let them win, you know, like, I, like, I, they're also not better than me at anything.

And I don't say that with any amount of pride. You know, like they're just so, like, I encourage them and, but I also, I just don't like to think about like. I act like I could, I act like I couldn't beat them. You know, like, it just, I don't like that whole thing. And I feel like there's a way to encourage without that.

But there was a time, um, tonight when we were playing, it's his first time playing, sorry. And I, um. Like there was like multiple times in a row. I was just crushing him and I wasn't even like bullying him. It's like I had no options other than to just like I had to keep doing it. And then until I finally just drew when I was going to, [00:11:00] sorry, his, the last guy he had still out on the board.

I was going to put all three back at start. And I just made a business decision and lied about what the card said. He's not like he's a, he can read, but if you're moving fast and he's not really paying attention, he's not gonna keep up with it. So I just lied about the card and slid it in, and then he came back and beat me fair and square.

From that point on, he just fucking beat me. Wow. Yeah. Okay, so I mean, I was impressed and I was glad like it got him. That's one of those, oh, hi. We got a fish appearance for the listeners. Yeah, there's a fish. Say hi. There's a cat. There's a cat named fish here. Say hi. Hi. Give us a little hi. Oh,

you can't give us a little, she sings every night for her dinner, but, uh, no, not on cue. Not on, no, not on. I mean, not for free. She doesn't give away for free. No, no, no, no. She does define gravity for dinner though. Oh yeah. She hits some notes. Um, well that's cute. That's good. It was good. I can't remember which one.

Sorry. Is is there like something you [00:12:00] press? No, that's trouble. It's very similar. Very similar to trouble. Um, so I was just drawing cards and you draw and you do what it says, and if you land on somebody, you gotta, you can sorry them, send them back to start, or there's like a bunch of slides, like if you hit the beginning of the slide, you can take everything out on the way.

Yeah. Um, and so like then there's, there are a lot of different ways and there's a lot of strategy. The more. Strategy than most of like the little kid games involve, you know? Mm-hmm. Because you can kind of pick which piece you're moving and there's different things you can do. And so in that way, it's like you can choose how hard you wanna bully somebody or not, you know, to some degree.

Um, or you just have to lie something. Candyland. No. Candyland is fucking bullshit, man. I mean, I get it. It serves a purpose. It's it, it's an introduction to games, but my kids just my kids fucking the candy, all the, all the candy pieces, all the special pieces, they just bent. So they bent so they know where those cards are.

So they like, they cheat. They basically, they count, they count cards. Do they, do they still have memories that still a game for kids? Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. I used to love that one. Yeah. Sydney crushes [00:13:00] she'll. She can beat me and Jen. She can crush a memory really. Yeah. Maybe not me. She can beat Jen. That's nice.

She just, she, she'd probably beat me too. I have not sat down and played with her in a while. She beats Caleb. No problem. She can beat Jen. Um, but yeah, memory's still a thing. Mm-hmm. Uh, as much as there is brain rott going around everywhere, I've been trying to convince the kids, uh, I don't even wanna talk about it yet, but six, seven.

Do you know about that? You know, anything about that? Yeah. All right. I've been trying to, I've been trying to passively get them out of it. 'cause I know if I push getting them out of it, it's gonna. Make it more, you know, what do they do? 6, 7, 6. They just say it to you guys in response to anything. Anything, anything.

Yeah. And, and, and at first they, and it's like I've watched the brain rot evolution. I've watched this go through the progression. Yeah. Because two months ago, whenever it was kind of new. Yeah. Caleb was super judgy about it. He was like. I don't know. I don't know what the kids are saying. I think they watch too much YouTube, like those are the words that came out of his mouth and now he's like six, seven.

Damn. I was gonna say like, I think they're a little [00:14:00] behind the eight ball on this one. Yeah, but it's fucking stupid. Yeah. It's like, and it's not, it's not over. It's still very much happening, so it's not like they've, they haven't missed the curve. It's just still in the curve and it's, yeah. I don't know.

New York Times wrote about it like two months ago. To me, that feels like. You, you're on the zeitgeist, you're on the, the 6-year-old zeitgeist. You're, you're crushing the, the, I mean, once the time says ready. Right. But isn't the, I heard the key is like, for you guys to start saying it and then that will make it not cool for them.

That was the key at Halloween, which was six weeks ago. It doesn't seem like it worked, so shit. All right. Well, stupid. I love how, I love how you're just judging my kids for being behind the times because the times. Yeah, he's, the Times wrote about it. You know what that always makes me think of is Avita.

Um, it makes me think about, um, don't cry for me Argentina. Uh, and she's like, uh, and although you're dressed up to the nines at sixes and sevens with you, so anytime I hear anyone say six, seven, I think of patone singing. Don't Cry. Yeah. Is How gay [00:15:00] is that? That's the gayest. That's gay, right? Yeah, that's gay.

Maybe you should play them that song and that'll shut down. I, I should, yeah. That's, that's the most Maybe on-brand reaction. Yeah. Since, since the beginning of this being a thing, that's where my mind goes every time I hear it.

Because it's such a weird Tim Rice lyric to begin with. But anyways, this, this podcast is going all over the place. Uh, I want to say that I really enjoyed our snow day yesterday. Yeah, it was, it was the highlight of my weekend was waking up Sunday morning, even though I was kind of like not feeling so well.

But, uh, nice snowy day home. Quan and the kitties. Uh, I made breakfast, I made dinner. We did some chores. We hung out. We watched a movie. What'd you watch? It was really nice. We watched, uh, Jay Kelly this weekend and we watched, um, one of those days. One of them days. Which what's that? Is that, uh, that's the SA, uh, Kiki Palmer movie.

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay. Buddy comedy from last fall. [00:16:00] Yeah. Okay. Um, I forget which one we watched which day, but, um, it was nice. I really like our Sundays home alone together. It's my favorite. It's really, um, it's really my favorite. It's my favorite. It's really nice. Yeah. Yeah. It sounds nice. Yeah. And like, it's to the point now where like, um, like I, even when I'm not feeling sick, like plants on Sundays are like, Ooh, yeah.

You know, 'cause it's just like. Just wanna be home. Um, yeah. But anyway, so it was a nice Sunday. And did you, but you did all also pretty, all the cooking, like you did breakfast, you did, were there snacks in between? I, like, I have this idea of like, you guys sit on the couch, but then like it's time for another course.

So you get up and you go, like you, you sometimes did it in the kitchen for a minute and bring something back and then like, no, it was just, it was breakfast and then it was dinner and I made, uh, the, the, the Ina Garten brownie pudding that has been all over social media the last week. Oh, okay. Uh, so I was really good.

So breakfast, dinner, and dessert is what I made. Lunch was just like every man for himself. I don't even remember what we did for lunch. I had like le we [00:17:00] had leftovers and stuff. Mm-hmm. Um, so yeah, that was our weekend. That's that's great. That's a lovely, lovely Sunday. Yeah. I like that a lot, man. That's a good, that's a good, uh, good transition into culture.

So he told you what we watched, uh, j Kelly was the, is the new George Clooney movie. Yeah. What'd you think by Noah? But back it was good. I liked it. Wait, how did you say the director name? Noah Buback. Buback. Okay. I thought, yeah, I thought it was like buback, which I like that. No, no. Uh, Noah. Noah Buback. But yeah.

Um, yeah, it's, it's good. It's good. It's good. It's not like my favorite of the year by any stretch, but it's good. It's well done. Um, it's just like a famous guy being like living, dealing with life. Being that famous, which I'm into, like I Yeah. Older, famous person dealing with, um, regrets and stuff. Mm-hmm.

But it, it's kind of like regret in general is weaved throughout as a, as a theme. Um, and then Friday we watched the first two episodes of the Taytay documentary on Disney General. Oh yeah. Uh, so good. Uh, so good. [00:18:00] That was very exciting. Does it have, does the first two episodes have her giving out the checks?

Yeah, because that's, I see. I've been wondering why that clip's all over social media right now. That's why it's all over. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Um, yeah, it was very exciting. And then, um, I watched, uh, finished watching. I had started it a while ago, but have you heard about Famous Last Words? Mm-hmm. Um, new show on Netflix.

There's only one episode so far with, um, oh shit. Uh. Jane Goodall, she passed away in the fall. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Um, famous, um mm-hmm. With the, with the chimpanzees. Yes. Um, so they, Netflix has interviewed famous people, elderly, famous people that are probably gonna die soon. Um, and they've done these very intimate.

Um, interviews with them, uh, at the end of which the interviewer walks outta the room and they have a final time in front of the camera to say whatever they want that nobody else in the world is hearing. And the interview doesn't get, I mean, probably the editor, uh, it doesn't get aired until the person dies.

So there's only one episode 'cause she's the first person that they've filmed and they haven't announced who they filmed. Wow. [00:19:00] So we'll only find out about these as people die. It's a pretty cool idea for a show. Wow. Um, and she is incredible and has. S like wise things to say and, uh, highly recommended it.

Yeah. All right. I mean, if, if, if people, I don't know, it's like, it's her, it's an elderly lady sitting down for a one-on-one interview and she's just in a chair the whole time. So it's like, it asks a lot of viewers these days in our attention spans, but it's, um, I mean, maybe, maybe give it a shot. Yeah.

Maybe, maybe try to expand out of the brain rott and uh, yeah. Uh, flashy. A DHD. This. That's cool. Yeah. I'm trying hard to not look at my phone when we're watching stuff. Yeah. Um, which is so hard and, but there's certain things like, um. I've talked before about how much we like bake off, like bake off's. A show that like Yeah.

Is phone, well, I mean, phone worthy so much of tv, you know, like it, it's, it's out now that it gets talked about. It's like the second, the second screen is the second screen worthy. Like you have to Yeah, things are being written, which like, I, I try for the most part, just because of the content that I like, I watch things that require you to not do that.

That take thought and, you know, have to [00:20:00] pay attention to. Um, and so I just, because like it's, I know, you know, the, there, there are actors and writers, but like, I like watching the entirety of the process, so I Yeah. Am not, but yeah, when something, like, when there's candy on tv, I mean when there's, ironically we've been watching, uh, love and Death about Candy, uh, what's her name, so I don't mean that.

Um, uh, love and death. Sex and death. I didn't put it in the outline 'cause I haven't finished it. But Jesse Clemens and um, Elizabeth Olson. Um. Um, no idea. I know who those people are, but yeah. Uh, candy, it's a, uh, the 8 79 80, uh, a grew, grew some horrific murder. It turns out there's like an affair. That what the, it grew because I started to say gr and I was like, it's graphic and gruesome.

I was like, it's not, gru's not the word, but it's a Gru murder. Um, and it's like just about this small town of, of. Boring, normal life that ends up with a gr murder. Um, crazy. Yeah. Uh, it's, it's good. Uh, [00:21:00] Elizabeth Hilton is good, man. She's, yeah, she's, she's good. Yeah. Um, and especially this, it's like a, she's playing like a Texan woman in the seventies.

Like there's just like a. A plain, this is the wrong word, but like, I as a, I'm watching a church lady, like in the, like, I know a church lady from the eighties, you know, and like, she's fucking nailing this. I'm very impressed. Uh, um, anyway, so, and he's the only Friday Night lights cast member with an Oscar nomination, which is wild.

Really? Yeah. Kyle doesn't have anything up there. I guess not. No, no, no, no. He's the only one so far on the board. I mean, he is what a funny, what a, what a trajectory too. But like that just, I feel like it goes to show you like the, the, the side guy with. Character, the, like the weirdo, the with Riz, but kind of like a weird side guy.

Yep. Um, crushing it. He has not stopped crushing it. Yep. Um. Also, the only other thing that I had for culture as is the second day of Hanukkah. So, yes. Did you guys, did you guys light your We did. We lit the menorah. Uh, menorah. Um, yeah, I wanted to, I I started to bring it down, [00:22:00] but they were actually doing it like they were wrapping up as we, as I came down to do this, and I, it would be.

It would be, uh, antithetical to take the menorah from the people celebrating Hanukkah to come put it in the background of my shot so I can pretend it looks I could present Hanukkah. Yeah, don't pretend Hanukkah. Do the kids get Hanukkah gifts and Christmas gifts? Yeah. Um, and Jen's made a good point, like we've actually, um, did they do an advent calendar too?

Sorry? Well, yeah. So they, uh, yeah. Not in like a Jesus Advent calendar way, but um, uh, my sister-in-law got each of the kids a, an add a Lego advent calendar. Um, the, each day you open a thing up and you can build it, and you can build a, you know, a scene. Um, and Caleb's was Star Wars. I forget what Sydney's was.

Um, every day is a whole new scene. It's like there every day is a piece that will be, that builds to a scene. So like, oh, okay, yeah, yeah, yeah. You build a guy and then you build R two G two and then you, whatever, you know, like, cool. Um, yeah, except for the day that Caleb got it, the day that they, they got them, he ripped the whole thing wide open.

So just like, it's like was, it was a one day advent calendar [00:23:00] and also true to form, like Sydnee did it day, day by day. But then we as a family fell off and stopped doing it every day. And so now we're like catching back up and, you know, filling it in. Um, there was a time, this makes me think of this, I'm gonna, uh.

Just take us down a little. Do. Go, go. I follow you. There was a time in, uh, Catholic, when I was still in Catholic school, and when I still believed in our Lord Jesus Christ. I believe that He, I believed he was a man that lived, that was, uh, probably very special. Um, so I, you know, take, take all that with a grain of salt.

I do believe in Jesus Christ. I don't believe in the Catholic church, but I was being raised in the Catholic church. And, um, there was a time when I was caught up in it, all the pageantry, the um. Really like, sort of big time. And I think it was like getting ready for my se in second grade, getting ready for first communion.

They go hard that year 'cause you have to learn all this stuff to be ready. Mm-hmm. And um, they gave us like a workbook of stuff to do for the month of December with your family. And I like made my family do it. Every [00:24:00] night we would sit around the table and there was like, we had to read passages from the Bible and there was one night we had to each make an ornament and come back to the table with it an hour later and my dad like drank a can of beer and then put um, nails like nails.

To bang into a wall, put nails in the can of beer and wrapped it in paper so it would jingle,

uh, we would like shut off the lights and we would light the advent call. It was like, my parents were like, he is like, I was into it. Yeah. Yeah. I mean that's, that's the, that's kind of how they get you, right? It's like the, it is the pageantry and it's like the reward, the work reward of the whole thing.

Like, that's, that's it. That's what it is. Um, yeah. With the story of the immigrants that weren't allowed in. Yeah, it's crazy. The irony of it is so, well, yeah, and I don't wanna jump, I mean, I guess it's a little, it's the next category. I know we're not gonna do a whole lot, but like, did you see that weird that that truth social tweet, truth that he put out Tweet, they're not Whatever they are about Rob Reiner, the tweet?

No, that one was grotesque. [00:25:00] Um, about, uh, Jesus talking into his ear, the ear that Jesus saved. It's so, it's nightmarish. Yeah. And like the, here's the, here's my problem with it, here's my problem with it. Is like, that's some like straight up. Christian Bible, revelations, antichrist kind of stuff. Yeah. And I'm gonna be so fucking annoyed if Christianity is, is like right, is, is if Revelations is a real prediction of the future, and if fucking Donald Trump is the one that brings about the end of times, I'm gonna be so annoyed.

Like even when I was going to church and this kinda the same as you, even when I was, um, you know, drinking the, the grape juice and was really and bought into the whole thing, I still looked at like revelations as, uh. Poetry, you know, like, there's nothing, none of this is, none of this is tan, none of this is fact.

None of this is as, as projection of a fact. But like, it's getting, so, like, so the theme, the theme that is over and over is that there will be, the antichrist will be acting like a Christ figure. We'll be speaking on behalf of God. And you know, like, yeah, I, if this motherfucker actually does it, that's crazy.

Like, it's gonna be, I'm gonna be so [00:26:00] annoyed if it turns out like, that's right and he's the one that does it, but what, what do his. Religious followers. Think when he posts something like that, like literally, what do they think? I don't know. I mean, I brain rot. I don't, I don't know. I don't, I don't know how it works.

I honestly don't. That's the whole. Take, pick a thing about him and like patriotism, masculinity, religion. I don't fucking know. None of it makes family value, values at all. I don't know. Business savvy and none of, I don't know. Yeah, ire, the Rob Reiner social media, that was grotes. It was really sad and, um, making it about him and just, um, what a horrible tragedy.

What a horrible weekend for the news in general like. Yeah. Just like, um, yeah. Yeah. A lot of, a lot of bad shit. Um, I was telling Quan this, this is so weird. Um, like a couple last week sometime, you know, like when you're on Instagram and if, uh, it, it tries to send you to go to Threads, so it shows you the beginning of a post that's like, oh, I gotta read the rest of this.

So you [00:27:00] go to threads. Yeah. So that's the only time I go to threads. I don't use threads. I go, because it's, there's something on Instagram. I'm like, oh, that's, I gotta read that. Um, and so there was this post about this person saying that this account had like predicted the date of. Like that Charlie Kirk's assassination and that this same account had said, keep your eye on December 14th.

And so I saw this last week, like early in the week last week, and I don't know what made me do this, but I put a note in my calendar attack on December 14th, question mark it Just a little note for myself to remember when yesterday rolled around, like, pay attention to the news today. Wow, bro. What the fuck?

I don't mean to make this like some conspiracy level podcast shit, but like, that was weird. Well, what's up with this account? What's up with this? I don't know, because I didn't, I, I put the note in my, I put the note in my thing to say pay attention to that day, but I don't, I couldn't tell [00:28:00] you what the account was.

I couldn't find the post again. That's lost in the. The sea of Instagram threads, you press the wrong button and everything goes, oh yeah. Oh yeah, that's gone. So like, I couldn't tell you where I found that. Wow. But, uh, I got chills Sunday when I looked down at my little notes for the day and was like, what?

Yeah. Uh, yeah. But yeah, it's dark Day of News. It's sad this time of year, uh, when there were shootings. It's sad when there are shootings ev anytime of year, but, um, it always takes me back to, um. You know, the Connecticut shooting being right before Christmas and Yeah. Uh uh anyways. Well, a fucking poor guy.

I mean, I did not write this down 'cause I, you know, I think we. We don't have, we talked about, we don't have anything new to add to this and it's not, I don't wanna sit and just like trauma bond, you know, on, on the air. But just the fact that one guy from uh, from Parkland was it survived a school shooting as a child.

Yeah. And now is it brown? There's another girl too broken down now. There's a girl there too. That's, it's just cra like how fucking, what's wrong with this [00:29:00] place that children can, statistics can have more than one school shooting in your life now. Yeah. Like that's crazy. Yeah. That's crazy. Yeah. Scary times.

We have a leader who thinks that he should make Rob Reiners tragic, tragic, and his wife's tragic murders about himself. So yeah. What do, what do we expect anyway, the, a little bit of good news. I, I, I would like to take a moment to shout out, uh, Mackenzie Scott, uh, Jeff Bezos's ex-wife, who, like last week, her donation, uh, tally came out $7.1 billion.

Mm-hmm. She's don, she donated in 2025, brings her up to like 26 billion, I think lifetime ahead of like. Uh, this year she's head of Bill Gates and I think Warren Buffett, she's head lifetime. She's head of like Michael Bloomberg. She's like crushing it and all of her stuff. I was looking into, I dunno if you saw, this is like all unrestricted.

Yeah. Like she just gives the money and it's a lot, like, a lot of it's like equity driven, so it's HBCUs and like, uh, uh, community colleges and like. Really, I, I don't know. Like good for her, you know? Yeah, yeah. Totally. I mean, she is a, [00:30:00] um, she is a beacon. Uh, we could, uh, and this is not a knock on her though, but we could also just tax the billionaires for sure.

And then she wouldn't have to do all this for sure. You know, but like, yeah, because she's like, she's the other side of it all. The billionaires always say like, well, don't tax us. We'll spend the money. We'll, we'll do right with it. No, you fucking won't. Like, yeah, it's the, the woman, the woman who's doing it.

Like there's no what. What, uh, uh, bill Gates didn't donate that much this year. Even, even even Buffett, who's like a supposedly a good guy, like still not donating that much. I don't know what the fuck Jeff Bezos, who is actively working to suppress any kind of, he just, he just wants to make more money and he's not donating, he's not helping with any of it.

And if you're gonna talk about how he's putting more back into circulation, no, he's fucking not, he's not even paying his workers. So get the fuck outta here. Yeah. And also like just to get ahead of anyone. I don't know that we have any listeners who would do this anyway, but just to get ahead of anyone who's gonna talk about how she didn't make that money, first of all, she was married to the guy for 20 years, so she absolutely, while, while he was building Amazon.

So she absolutely had a [00:31:00] hand in that being his partner through all that. And also like, you know, Don Jr. Didn't do shit to make any of his money. Who, what other, you know, children, didn't they? What did they donate? Nothing. Nothing. They're, they're not on record at all with charitable donations and certainly not this kind of like unrestricted, actually trying to help and not just like, yeah, faking writing, uh, uh, donations in your tax write offs that don't even actually happen.

Get the fuck outta here. Anyway, thanks Mackenzie Scott for being, being a real one. Yeah, thanks. Yeah. Tax to billionaires, but you know, it's tax to fucking billionaires. What are we talking about this week? We are talking about early theater experiences. Yay, yay,

yay. Yeah. I mean, sure.

What are, what, what are your early theater experiences? Well, uh, this was something we were talking about, talking about last week. Um. Because Caleb had just had that audition for Beauty and the Beast, and today, today [00:32:00] and tomorrow are the final, final callbacks for these leads. They must be like really, really granted it out with these leads.

I don't know, but I asked him today if he knew when he was gonna find out, and he said that he said. He said, well, I don't know. I'm the only one asking if anyone has found it out. 'cause apparently he's walking around just asking people if they found out anything. Um, so we're still not sure when Word comes out.

He seems pretty cool about it. Um, I, so it reminded me in, in third grade, I went to see, uh, our community theater production in my hometown of Oliver. And I, like my mom took me and my brother to see it, and it was like the summer musical. And it was awesome. There was kids, it was in the round, there was a billion kids in it.

I remember watching things happen, um, like live theater things, like, I remember a basket fell on the floor and a guy, literally the guy stepped into it and then like, played it, played with that, played it off, you know, like, like, and I was blown away in third grade, um, or going into third grade, blown away.

And after the show realized that these kids were like from my, I didn't know any of them, but I was like, oh, these are kids who go like. I'm peers with these kids. So I [00:33:00] asked my mom, how do we, how do they do that? And she said, well, they audition. I said, well, what can we do that? And she said, yeah. So that fall she took me to, um, audition for a Christmas Carol.

Um, the, my Hometown did a year, an annual, um, original scripted version of, uh, uh. A musical Christmas Carol and I auditioned, and, um, I remember the, you know, just a room full of people, uh, you know, it's like an open audition kind of thing for the community theater and, um, whatever little song I did. But you, I, this is probably the start of a a, what took me down this path is like the feedback from that crowd right away was through the roof, because I was like.

Eight and doing it enough that it was like cute, you know, I'm sure it wasn't. In fact, the role that I got was the smallest possible role in that show. Like I almost feel like they had just tagged on one more little kid to just fit in. Like I was the little rich boy and all the other boys were urchins.

'cause the urchins would run around throughout, run amuck, the whole show. They're always doing so, and they're part of like scene changes and they're, and they're fun through a lot of different [00:34:00] scenes and, um. I was the little rich boy. So I just came through a couple times with my rich family while all the urchins were doing all their stuff.

Um, and, but that was like the start of it. From that point on, I loved, I loved doing community theater. I did some school stuff when the school stuff came up, you know, like, but we did not do big productions like Broadway Junior, like my kids are doing here. We did, you know, Winnie the Pooh, some little. Home written version.

And the, once I got into the community theater stuff, um, the, the rush of the nerves auditioning and performing was a big part of it. But also like that for me, that first time of doing Christmas Carol and then after that, just like I was doing shows. As often as possible, as many community theater shows, tine, rabbits, 12 dancing princesses, windy the poo, uh, whatever.

Uh, um, um, you know, uh, eventually once I got into high school, I started booking some of the younger leads and stuff, and I did that Christmas Carol every year for 12 years. And I just loved the, that became my people. That's where my theater. My love for [00:35:00] theater came from is like the, there's nothing better to me.

I liked sports and I think it's 'cause I thought I was supposed to like sports when I was a kid, you know? And I like competing and I like being athletic, but like being in like a dusty old like ballet dance studio, like a community sitter dance studio, rehearsing community theater with taped out stuff.

And it's all just like crammed to the corners while scenes were happening. And I like made friends with the older kids who would let me hang around. Like that was such the, the such. Formative experiences for me in my early childhood were just from that auditioning stage from early on. And getting in and being like, you know, in the ensemble of whatever community theater show was going on.

Um, but yeah, I don't know. What was you, how did you get in? What was your in? Yeah. Uh, well first I want to say that Christmas Carol made me think about this stat that I just came across. Uh, uh. Crochet makes 15 shillings a week from, okay. Um, Scrooge Uhhuh, and he's struggling, right? That's the point of the play is that he's struggling.

Yeah. Uh, [00:36:00] adjusted for ILA inflation, uh, crochet makes 40,000 a year. So, uh, I just think that's an interesting little, uh, yeah. Which is, which is, um. More than the minimum wage. Right now, 40,000 a year is equal to like $20 an hour, which is, uh, like almost amazing. Three times the minimum wage right now. Yeah.

So anyways, uh, I feel like it popped up a couple weeks ago, like. The, the celebration of that story is like the guy just starts being regular. He doesn't even, he's not even a hero. Yeah. He like, takes care of his employee, like, yeah. Yeah. And still we're all like, look at this guy. He really finds the spirit like, good lord, what?

So Bob Crotchet makes three times the minimum wage and his, he does not have enough money for the care of his sick child. Geez. Uh, so I, yeah, my first, um, I remember we did like a, uh. It was Halloween, Charlie Brown, Halloween. Okay. Like we had this somehow the teacher, like pumpkin patch, like the, yeah, there was like a little one page script for it.

Okay. And I got cast as Charlie [00:37:00] Brown. Um, so yeah, you did? I was throwing down. That was like in third grade. Hell yeah. And um, and then I had a teacher in fifth grade who, um, put on like a little musical review for the fifth graders. And this was like grade school. So fifth grade was like. The oldest. So like, and I remember being in fourth grade and watching them do it and being like, I wanna be involved in that next year.

Yeah. And I got like the lead in that and she was very, um. She really, uh, inspired me and, um, encouraged me, um, sort of like lit a spark and, and so, uh, I ki kind of kept doing it. But what what was ironic for me is I was like such an introvert and shy, um, in life, but I was drawn to this thing that was like putting me in front of everybody.

Yeah. Um, and I, I always thought that it was something I never quite like, made sense of. Um. Do you have anything now that you can look at it and say, 'cause I, I can tell you therapeutically why some of mine I think is, is there, but why do you think, do we, have you ever looked back and wondered how an introvert was drawn to that?

[00:38:00] No. Uh, alright. I mean, fair. Fair. That's What do you think for you? I don't know. I don't, I mean, I would spent time with, for me it was, um, a, a part of it was just external validation and a, and an immediate response. And it was a, um. A way this, this also wasn't like a thought, fully thought process at the time.

Like, I can look back on it now and be like, oh yeah, yeah, I see that the thing I was getting and feeling good from was like a, there's a, a, an intimacy that I control. Like, I'm making us feel if, if, you know, if I'm doing my job or I'm making us feel a certain way and I'm getting feelings from the people and like, it's, it's, I, I was good enough that it was generally positive feedback, especially in real time.

Like, you know, uh, when you get a laugh or get a, an applause like that external validation in a, in a, in an immediate feedback kind of way. Like, that's one of the times I feel still to this day, like most in flow when I'm like working with an audience. You know? Or like when I'm doing, like, I, I've kind of felt like for a lot of my career, um.

It might just be the, the need for validation. But, but like my, [00:39:00] I've kind of felt like that the, the where my talent lies and kinda the talent that I honed really without even meaning to is like the, in working with an audience in like finding where they are and meeting them there. 'cause like, you know, my voice is whatever, my acting is fine, whatever.

But like the, the thing that I, as I got older, I realized like, oh, that's why I took to improv. And you know, that there's some other, like, comedy, some of those things because it's like. W the, the thing here is like working with the live audience. Mm-hmm. That's a, a part of the, you know, the interaction is a part of the art.

Yeah. Um, I think it was, I think for me it was like the storytelling. I just always loved stories and hearing stories and having stories told to me. Yeah. And so once I realized there was a way to like, tell stories live, I wanted to like be a part of it. Yeah. I think, I think that kind of got me, um, there was this weird.

Period of time though, where I, um, there was like three consecutive, uh, times where I fainted. One was like in a school like Christmas chorus, rehearsal, like on the risers on the stage, and I fell off the back. Did you have your knees locked off the back? [00:40:00] Oh, shit, dude. Knees locked. What? Yeah. Did you have your knees locked?

I don't, I mean, I don't remember. I've, I don't, oh, that's, is that a thing? Yeah. Shame on your choir director for not telling you, like, yeah, like I, I, I had many choir director, well, two middle school and high school, but like, say, do not lock your knees on the risers because you won't even notice that you've lost blood flow, but you can slow down your blood flow enough to pass out.

I've seen kids pass out before the, the act of locking the knees or locking the knees and singing. Like, what is the locking? Just keeping your knees locked, keeping that straight leg will, will restrict blood flow. So like when you're doing something like singing that is taking more oxygen and more blood to do, whoa, you just haven unlocked a decades old history.

That's crazy. That's probably what it was. I mean, it, it's a common ish thing that kids inquirers will pass out because of that. Okay. Well it was very dramatic when it happened and then it was like all the talk of the school and then it happened again in fifth grade and then it happened again in fifth grade.

Um. It was like a class about, uh, like a, a health class. And we were watching a movie about drugs and like some [00:41:00] kid taking too many drugs or something. And I passed out in the back of the class and then everybody was like, Tommy's on drugs. Uh, it was cra it was, it was crazy. Um, and then the teacher. Um, brought me over her orange juice and the teacher was diabetic and so then she was like, maybe Tom's diabetic.

And so then she made my mom get me tested and they started this whole thing that the whole school thought I was di I wasn't diabetic. It was so dramatic. Uh, just from a couple, just from a couple of fucking feigning episodes. Jesus, it's terrible. Wait, but okay, for that one, you were just like sitting at your desk in the back watching a video and you passed out.

Yeah. I mean, it feels like maybe, yeah, I, I remember things got like fuzzy and like, I just passed out at my desk. Geez. Yeah. I mean, I'm glad you're not diabetic, but it does kind of feel like that's worth looking into at that point. Like, I could see the, I mean, it stopped, thank God I don't remember the last time I fainted.

Uh, when's the last time you fainted? I don't faint. No, I don't know. Um, do you throw up, people are so weird. Like, are [00:42:00] you one of those people who can't remember the last time you threw up? Um, it's certainly been a while since I've thrown up. Yeah. Um, but I like when I, I don't have any, when I feel like I'm gonna throw up, I go throw up.

I am not, yeah. Somebody who doesn't, I, I don't try to fight. I'm try to like get through it and not do it. Yeah. I'm not any of that, any of that. Um, I don't remember the last time I threw up being sick. I mean, probably being like. Too drunk and like Yeah. In the, in the past year working, since I've been working in booze, there have been at least, at least once I can think of right now that like I'm older than I realized.

I mean, I just forgot that I don't party like I used to, and I go out and drink a bunch of whiskey and then I'm just like, oh. God, I gotta get rid of this. Oh, that feeling of laying down in bed to go to sleep and you and the world is spinning Yeah. Is my least favorite feeling in the world. Yeah. I never want to feel that again as long as I live.

Yeah. It's, it's, I mean, certainly a big, that, that is the main reason I've, I don't drink nearly as much as I used to. Yeah. And the only time that I feel like that is by accident when I forget that I got up, you know, I'm like out with young guys and forget, um, that, that's, that I can't do that anymore. Um, that's, [00:43:00] that's the, that was the life that came to me after I, uh, you know.

Put acting on the shelf for a minute. Left. All this time. Did you guys, did you guys have any, uh, are you, are you anti to wrap us up or can we keep going on for a minute? I didn't know if you were like, no. Okay. Keep going, keep going. Did you guys have any film, like in your, did you do any camera work? Did you have any of that come through in Connecticut?

Was that a thing at all? It was, it was the days before, um, that they hadn't discovered that yet. No. Uh, no we didn't, we didn't do, uh, you did film work. Well, not, not well. That was such a hard thing for me because like, um, there, when I was a kid, things came through like Tom and Huck, remember that movie with Jonathan Taylor Thomas and, yep.

Brad MRO was shot in our hometown and my brother's in it. Um, but I was too, because he's an X-ray running around. You can see him a couple times. Um. I was too close. I was like the same height as JTT at the time. And so they looked at me as doubling him, but I didn't end up doing that. And then they didn't, they weren't casting boys who were similarly typed as him, [00:44:00] so I hung out on set.

Uh, some for that one. Um, but there was some other, like, we had like commercial. My brother, this, the film world was hard for me because I was used to stage acting. And so I would go in for like, this film stuff and they'd be like, okay, cool. Can you just make it like regular? And I'm like, I am doing it regular.

Like I could not, the, the, the bringing it down for film did not translate at all. We do like. Like there was, like there, I, there were commercials. I, it was not ri I really wanna say it's Rice Eroni, but it was definitely not a, a Rice Eroni commercial, but it was something like, um, uh, I don't remember what it was now.

Now I just had that jingle stuck on my head. Rice Seroni, the San Francisco. Okay. It wasn't that, but like, like. Trying to be like my brother and I and like family stuff, my sisters and we'd like, I had just never, that was a complete strikeout for me until I got older and was, had been in New York. You know, like I think honestly I got, I found the level of being quiet enough 'cause I just got tired and my stage presence like got, I was able to get smaller and I understood what people meant about like at age [00:45:00] 40.

40. Yeah. Yeah. It was just, so I had a, I had a thing. No, go ahead. Sorry. No, no. Just that it was like, I remember so many directors and casting directors when I was a kid saying like. You just do it, do it regular. Like, just like, just talk in your regular voice. And like, I'm an animated kid who does three shows a year now, like, you know, I do community theater all the time.

So it's not like, it was like cutting edge community. It was community theater, so I'm sure it was big and broad and like a little hammy, you know, and like mm-hmm. I'm, I'm like, this is how we act. This is acting. And I just p strike gots on film until I was a grown man. Yeah. What were you gonna say? I'm sorry.

I, I was gonna say, I, um. There was a thing that came out when I was a kid. Uh, it, it had, it didn't have a long shelf life. It was called the PXL 3000. Does that ring a bell? No, it was, um, it, it was a camcorder. Okay. It looked like a camcorder. But you put in, uh, what were cassette tapes, basically, but they were these special cassette tapes and it came with, when you bought it, it came with a little TV that was like.

You know, a small little black and white tv? Yeah, yeah. Okay. And you could record, it was five minutes [00:46:00] on one side, five minutes on the other. So you could make a 10 minute thing and then you could, you would connect the camera to the TV with the wire and playback. Okay, so you could only play it back through its own tv.

Is the Pixel 3000? What was in, what was the movie that I done? Nevermind. Uh, like maybe like the cam, like there was some kid movie. Like I remember that being, uh, the camera being, being a a, it doesn't matter, dude. Sorry. It, it is possible. I don't know about that movie, but, um, I got it for Christmas and I was very excited about it and made, um, like I directed my sister and my cousins in like a weird, uh.

My version of General Hospital, 'cause my mom watched General Hospital, so we, I, I watched General Hospital often for years and was very into it. So we would, I would basically direct like little scenes, which were, but the problem was, tell me, I mean, there's one with my sis, my cousin Aryn, uh, picking up a phone and she, she would like pick it up before it rang.

And, uh, I did like a, a little. Star Wars knockoff [00:47:00] with like one of my good friends, and he was like trapped in the volleyball net in the backyard and a giant spider was gonna get him. But it was tricky because you couldn't edit, so you had to like record it in the order of telling the story. Oh, yeah. Yeah.

Wow. Yeah, so that was, oh man. Can you, could you, could you tap into Director Town then? Like when Terrance picking up the phone? Before the queue. Oh, I was directing. I was like, okay, now you're getting a call. Now it's bad news. Like yeah. I was like, yeah, hell yeah. I love that. Yeah. And then in high school, in high school we always had to do like, uh, in English class, we had to do reports on like Julius Caesar or Huck Finn.

Yeah. And I always did movies. I did like movie versions and every, and I would always like. Knock them outta the park, I'd always get an A on it. So my friends, different people in class would like clamor to be my partner on the project. 'cause they'd be like, I need an A, I need an A this term. And so I did like a, I did a um, a Julius Caesar that was very funny.

It was like the events of, this was my idea too. I'm pretty proud of it. It was good. It was me and my friend Beth, and [00:48:00] it was. As if the events of Julius Caesar had happened in Rome and we were the newscast. We were the newscast reporting. Okay. And so we were like, this just in Caesar was stabbed and then we're gonna take you to, and then we would, yeah.

Oh yeah. And then we would go see like, um, Cassandra, is she the one, is that Julius Caesar? I think it is. And she was like sitting there eating grapes and like predicting the, the, the evils. And, and I did a very, uh, un-PC, uh. Huck Finn, uh, where my friend Bobby had, uh, was in blackface. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So that one, that one has been buried to the ravages of time, but, uh, they were entertaining.

I love that. Yeah. I love that. Um, I did some of that too. I'm not sure how good many of mine were. Um, but I projects, I would, I would make films when I could out of a project. Um, um. But my, I don't remember any of them, but I'm pretty sure they were not great. Um, yeah, so good. But you, I did one, uh, there's a, there's a, we had to do a [00:49:00] report on, um, legends in Connecticut, fables, and, uh, mm.

There's a, there's a very famous story in my hometown of a black dog. Uh, so there's a, there's a park in my hometown Mar in Connecticut. There's a park. Called Hubbard Park designed by, um, Olmstead, who did, uh, central Park and Prospect Park. Mm-hmm. Um, I just pointed in the direction of who those are. Um, it's a beautiful park.

People are gonna figure out where you live, man. They're gonna know exactly. They're gonna, they're gonna figure it out. I don't know there anymore. Feel free. Go to Marden, the jersey. I mean, from where you are right now, they're gonna from Yeah, yeah. Triangulate. Uh, anyways, there's a legend. If you hike the hills of.

Hubbard Park, if that people come across a black dog and the first time you see it, you feel immense happiness. The second time you see it, you, you feel a immense joy. And if you see it a third time you die, you feel happiness, then joy, then you die. Yeah. And so I did, uh, a. I made one of my movies of that and it was like we went to Hubbard Park and we filmed it and then we brought a Barbie doll and a pound puppy for like the moment.

The girl seized a dog for the first time and she like fell off a cliff, [00:50:00] but it was like doing miniatures, so it was just a rock that was three feet tall, but we cut to the Barbie. That's good. Hey, I got Ed on that,

so I'm impressed, man. Good work. I like that. Yeah, I could've, I could've really done something, man. Alright. You know what it's time for. I do. Who would you fight? Who would you fight? Pow. Pow woo. Wow. Yeah. Sultry. I'll first this time. Okay. I am gonna fight. I want to. I want a referendum. Is that what it's memorandum?

Me? Referendum. What's the one where it's like, um, you want it to end, you want there to be no more Memo. Memoriam. Yeahium. On Mor. Moratorium. Moratorium. Moratorium. Moratorium. Thank you. Moratorium referendum Memorial. What's a what? What was the other one you were saying? Moratorium memo Memorium. But it's not that, that's a, I don't know.

That's like when you remember it. I don't know. Okay. Well, well, once it's ended. Lowercase titles when the title's [00:51:00] all in lowercase, just to be like, and I listen, I know my girl Taytay did it with folklore and evermore. Like, I just think it's played out and like I, I don't want to see any more lowercase titles.

I, I request all artists to stop doing that. Titles should be. Titled

it's played out. It's period. It's not new. It's not new. You're not cute. It doesn't make us look at your thing differently. Stop. You don't think there's any, is there any world for it at all? Like if, if there was a, I don't even know what this would be. We need, we need a, we need a, we need a. What's the word?

Moratorium. Yes, moratorium. We need moratorium. We need 10 years off a moratorium. And then after 10 years off, people may submit their proposals for lowercase titles to bro homo, and we will deem a certain number per year where it makes sense. Great. But we need 10 years off starting today. Okay. Thank you.

The moratorium. This moment is momentous as the moratoriums. I don't know. That's all I [00:52:00] got. I can as, as we start lower ca bro, homo, next year. Um, mine's pretty straightforward. I just wanna fight six, seven. And all of it. Oh, fight at all of it at sixes and sevens with you. I had to let it happen. I think if I just start singing that every time I don't, because the problem is like if you give the reaction of being annoying, then you see their eyes' be like, oh, I got you.

Now I'm in. So I'm just gonna like give it right back and just sing some avita right to him. You should see if it works. Alright. You read us out this time. Okay.

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Good job. Thank you. I wasn't even [00:53:00] sure Sixes and seven, sing us out. Tom, you. I love you. Bye. I love you.