Dragon's Breath

Super excited to have Nikki back in the Studio of The Butterfly Pavilion Podcast. A lot to catch up on in this TV themed Episode. We talk about shows from our formative youth, Ty throws a surprise at Nikki (what's new,) we talk about Suleika Jaouad's book, "Between Two Kingdoms, Ty provides a cancer update and a surprise prop guest in movie quotes!

The Butterfly Pavilion Podcast follows the journey of a father with metastasized stage IV prostate cancer and his daughter. Wanting to capture stories and maximize his time with his daughter was the genesis of the show. 

Updated to include link to Ty's substack post; How to Talk to Someone Sick or Disabled.

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Transcript

SPEAKER_03 0:07

I'm Godwin.

SPEAKER_05 0:09

And I'm Ty Godwin. And welcome to the Butterfly Pavilion Podcast. Remember to like and subscribe wherever you get your podcast and follow us on both of the social of the medias, TikTok and Instagram. I I I I make it awkward because my mom used to to call it the Facebook. So it's a kind of an inside. We have a lot of inside family jokes, but that's why we refer to it sometimes as the TikTok or the Instagram.

SPEAKER_02 0:35

The Instagram. The social.

SPEAKER_05 0:37

Miss you mom. It's been a minute.

SPEAKER_02 0:40

It has been a minute. Feels good to be back. I'm so excited to be excited to be here. Yes, back in the Dexter studio. But I think you mentioned this somewhere, but um I got a new job, yay, back in November. And Monet. Oh my gosh, dad. Um, got a new job, and it's been really busy, which is a good problem.

SPEAKER_05 1:10

For those on the audio podcast, I was doing the we're in Vegas and I'm fanning out hundred dollar bills.

SPEAKER_02 1:16

Yeah, with your daughter, that's yeah. Um, anyways, yes, so I've been busy, but I think in the last couple of weeks I had to remind myself that I work to live, not live to work, which is hard.

SPEAKER_05 1:36

You've been working your butt off.

SPEAKER_02 1:37

Yes, I've been working really hard and I take really great pride in the work that I do. I'm a really high performer, um, but I also sometimes lose sight of my work life.

SPEAKER_05 1:48

The apple doesn't fall far from the tree. It does not.

SPEAKER_02 1:51

It does not. But I'm really enjoying it and it's been awesome, but I'm glad to be back here.

SPEAKER_05 1:57

Oh, we're we're thrilled to have you back. So I think we're gonna do TV theme today, uh, but I think a few housekeeping uh items that we want to cover. We are just beyond our one-year birthday.

unknown 2:16

Woo!

SPEAKER_05 2:17

We we had a respite trip in Santa Fe, New Mexico, where we recorded it, it was blurry, we had one mic, the sound was horrible, and you're saying, wait, it's still blurry, the sound is still blurry. Yes, yeah. We we didn't know what we were doing. I think we had a 30-minute episode.

SPEAKER_03 2:34

It was longer than that.

SPEAKER_05 2:36

It wasn't very long. Oh, it wasn't. At first one, I think it was our shortest, but um no, it was it, but it was also the most heartfelt because it it it defined the journey and what why we're doing this podcast. Uh, we want to uh maintain our our vision, and that's to you know, have dad and daughter conversations, hopefully entertain uh we've reached a lot of people with cancer, but we want to celebrate the one year of seeking of uh the Butterfly Pavilion podcast. And also um we're a small podcast, uh we were excited when we hit the thousand downloads uh point, so we have a cake.

SPEAKER_04 3:16

Heck yeah.

SPEAKER_05 3:18

Um I don't think we're gonna light the candle. Um we could we ordered it, we ordered a birthday download cake. I said we. Um when I say we're swap heavy. Yeah. When I say we, that means the um what do we call her? Production.

SPEAKER_02 3:37

She's our she should be the director of production.

SPEAKER_05 3:42

She's director of creativity.

SPEAKER_02 3:44

Oh, she's the creative director.

SPEAKER_05 3:46

AKA my wife. Anyway, she bought a cupcake cake that I thought was gonna be like this big, but it's ginormous, and we have butterflies on there. We will light the candle later.

SPEAKER_02 3:56

I want to eat it.

SPEAKER_05 3:58

Um well we might just have to Dad.

SPEAKER_02 4:02

No, you um for those just listening, Dad just stuck his finger in the cake like a sicko. I like the one with the cake. Yes, thank you.

SPEAKER_05 4:13

Thank you for all the people that downloaded.

SPEAKER_02 4:14

Yeah, that's so cool. And I when I was talking to you about this a bit ago, you know, we're not influencers that have millions of followers or millions of listeners, but when we think about it, a thousand downloads, that means that like a thousand people. That that was the the reach. We've reached a thousand people, and that's really meaningful um to us, and hopefully our podcast helps people.

SPEAKER_05 4:48

Yeah, I think we wanna we we wanna maintain that vision of the whole idea was record conversations uh with dad and daughter because I am going through a stage four cancer journey. We'll talk about that in a minute. Um but we have reached people. We've I've as I've mentioned in a in the last couple of episodes, people with cancer. We reach all kinds of people that we've touched, so that is awesome. Um on that note, uh we we talked with the the boys hijacked the the podcast last episode.

SPEAKER_04 5:20

Mabros.

SPEAKER_05 5:21

Yeah, mabros. Um, yeah, there was a lot of testosterone in the room, but we read fan mail and we decided that we needed a fan mail jingle. Brother Tim.

SPEAKER_07 5:30

Fan mail. Fan mail. Can't wait for our fan mail.

SPEAKER_02 5:37

Fan mail. Q jazz hands.

SPEAKER_05 5:40

Oh, yeah. Uncle Uncle Uncle Tim uh is so good. I played it twice. Uh Uncle Tim came up with our fan mail jingle. We've got a lot of material to cover today, so we aren't gonna cover fan mail, but that is a solicitation. Also, if you like the podcast, want to hear something um good, bad, indifferent, you know, drop us a comment on our socials or in the comments of each of the podcast episodes. Um we are gonna talk about TV, but the other, you know, just housekeeping item. Um, I have a hard time reading books. Um, I've got cognitive issues related to long COVID uh that we've talked about. So I find myself, and I love to read. Um, you know, uh uh, and Nikki and and my wife is an avid, huge avid book reader. Um, I would find myself rereading pages, um, but my wife is part of the governors, which is the the Sharon McMahon, or Sharon says so on social, has a book club. And uh one of the books they covered was Between Two Kingdoms from Suleika Juwad. I'm hoping I didn't hack her name. Um my wife didn't realize it was a can a cancer book. Um I asked her if she cried, and uh of course she did, uh, because it's cancer. Um, but I I found myself really um into this book because it's a young woman, she got cancer at a very young age, leukemia, um and one other form of cancer. Um but there were just so many things that really struck a familiar chord with me. One one, she lived in New York uh in the in in her early 20s, and I rem it made me remember my trips to New York in my 20s, partying in in Manhattan with Fred and my friend Dave. Uh going to the tunnel, um, which was in the era of of uh Studio 54, neither of which you know, but the tunnel the tunnel was this classic uh New York City nightclub where you you had to have the right clothes to get in. So we like worked really hard to and you had to like be good looking enough. So somehow we made it into the club. Um somehow, but it was an abandoned uh subway tunnel or one that was decommissioned that was turned into this club, and it was just like that was a really wild new experience.

SPEAKER_02 8:13

So it sounds so fun.

SPEAKER_05 8:14

It uh her book really conjured up because she starts out with kind of her early early days and uh days of partying in New York City, but then she gets cancer at a very young age. But um found a lot in common other than the fact that I I haven't met Oprah, I haven't been on Stephen Colbert, and I haven't done a TED call TED Talk.

SPEAKER_02 8:34

A TED uh TED talk. I I knew what you meant, but you did something like Oh, I didn't use talk.

SPEAKER_05 8:43

I sometimes word problem with have worth words. Um but I want to read one just one quick sentence from it. Um not from her TED talk. Um she's talking about a friend that she called uh about her cancer, and she starts talking about this. He quickly said, Hey, I gotta go. He promised to call back later that night. He didn't. I wouldn't hear from him in many weeks. It was my first indication that cancer is uncomfortable for the people around you, and that when people don't know what to say, they often don't say nothing at all. Um I'm maybe now 80 pages into the book, and she's now getting you know chemo in in Manhattan, had similar experiences with you know what people showed up, what people you know were were were uh I can't remember what word she used, but you know, people that wallow in doom. Um surprise a lot of her party friends in in Manhattan didn't show up. But um it struck me because you know I've we've talked about it on the podcast. I actually wrote a recent Substack post um around if hey if someone with cancer brings up cancer, uh what not to say or what could you say? Um so we'll link to that Substack post. But the one thing you don't do is just respond with a thumbs up emoji. Um you know, but I think in inversely, I think um my mom and I had this conversation years ago. You can't also expect certain reactions out of someone and be disappointed.

SPEAKER_02 10:21

So you can only control your thoughts, actions, and how you treat other people. That's it.

SPEAKER_05 10:31

Right. So I think it's a fine balance. It's uh uh again, we talk about, you know, it'd be nice to have empathy, but I I don't want sympathy, you know. I d um I think we do a very good job of trying to um um bring light into the darkness.

SPEAKER_02 10:46

We do, and we do talk about cancer a lot, obviously. Dad has stage four cancer, and I think sometimes when we're around people that aren't normally around us a lot, they they get pretty quiet just because they don't know what to say. Exactly. Um but as Ed mentioned, he'll link to that Substack post, which I'm sorry, I haven't read it yet. But I know it has some good educational stuff on there.

SPEAKER_05 11:11

I did I did uh link you as this covering social for the uh Instagram. Like I said, I was post that. Um hashtag Nikki's been very busy, and uh all kidding aside, I'm thrilled with your new job. Um Thanks, Dad. And uh you're you're you kick an ass. You've gotten great feedback from clients and executives, which doesn't surprise me, but we're glad to have you back in the studio.

SPEAKER_02 11:41

Thanks, Dad. Happy to be here.

SPEAKER_05 11:44

Happy to have you. So we can't sing. No, so I I will talk more about the book uh when I hopefully finish that, but you know, I just uh I found it a fascinating read. So shout out to uh Suleika and uh Sharon McMahon for that. Um so man's story. What are we gonna talk about today?

SPEAKER_02 12:08

Oh, I I thought you said man's story.

SPEAKER_05 12:11

No.

SPEAKER_02 12:12

Okay, so the main subject of our podcast today, we wanted to dive into the entertainment realm of television. This is something that I think we've always bonded over entertainment and movies, but recently my dad and I have connected and really enjoy watching TV series on our own and having conversations about different characters and the storyline and the production. And so for the first question, question of the day, TV shows that shaped our personalities. So I don't know how many youth In our youth, in our youth. In our youth, yes. Um do you do you want to go first, Dad?

SPEAKER_05 13:07

Um I can go first, sure, of course. Um we we are gonna end with movie quotes, but uh I do have a couple of TV jingles. Uh that and Mac is man at Mac has entered the room.

SPEAKER_02 13:21

Mac has entered the chat.

SPEAKER_05 13:22

Nikki's uh lovely pup that dad loves so much. Hello Little Girl. Okay, um there are there are probably too many TV shows to talk about um in my in my youth, um growing up on Detroit Circle in Littleton, Colorado. Um but the first one I'm going to actually do a bit of a instead of movie quotes, this is TV jingles. Here's the story? Supposed to guess. You didn't tell me I sprang this on you.

SPEAKER_04 13:57

Oh god.

SPEAKER_05 13:58

I did it again.

SPEAKER_04 13:58

I have to do this twice.

SPEAKER_05 14:00

You have to do this twice.

SPEAKER_07 14:01

Here's the story of a lovely lady who was bringing up three very lovely girls, all of them had hair of gold, like their mother, the youngest one in curls. It's a story of man named who was busy with three boys of his own. They were four men living all together, yet they were all alone.

SPEAKER_02 14:27

Oh no. Is this the Brady Bunch?

SPEAKER_05 14:30

It is a Brady Bunch.

SPEAKER_02 14:32

Hell yeah, I got nice.

SPEAKER_05 14:34

And I didn't I didn't I didn't I I bleeped out the of a man named Brady. Um have you ever watched the Brady Bunch or you just know about it from TV culture?

SPEAKER_02 14:43

I I think I've seen a few episodes or like bits and pieces of it when I was younger, definitely, but I remember the popular intro where they played the song. Yeah, so it it's referenced a lot actually in working remote or remote working environments because you're on Zoom.

SPEAKER_05 15:03

The Brady Brunch grid.

SPEAKER_02 15:04

The Brady Brunch grid, yeah. So it's even though when did that air? Like in the 60s?

SPEAKER_05 15:08

No, it was not the sixties.

SPEAKER_02 15:10

Um 70s?

SPEAKER_05 15:12

Uh it would have been I should have the answer, but I'm guessing yeah, it would have been in the 70s.

SPEAKER_02 15:17

Okay, yeah. So it's it's kind of crazy that that show hashtag I'm that old. Was in the 70s, which was a long time ago, and but it still was so culturally relevant, it's still being referenced today.

SPEAKER_05 15:29

Okay, well, and the second part of that you need to guess, um, this is from one of the episodes.

SPEAKER_02 15:38

He's looking around the room like a googling.

SPEAKER_05 15:41

Okay. What what what what episode?

SPEAKER_03 15:43

I don't know.

SPEAKER_05 15:45

Well, what was I doing?

SPEAKER_03 15:46

Looking?

SPEAKER_05 15:47

Did I feel feel like I knew where I was?

SPEAKER_03 15:50

No, you looked lost.

SPEAKER_05 15:51

I was lost. That was when Bobby Brady was lost in the Grand Canyon with Cindy. Um very traumatic episode. Um, no, we were all in on the Brady Bunch. Um, so yeah, I was I was pretending I was lost in the Grand Canyon as Bobby Brady. But there was all kinds of like little lessons about honesty. There was the episode when when um they were playing football inside.

SPEAKER_04 16:14

Oh, geez.

SPEAKER_05 16:15

Nothing wrong can come from that.

SPEAKER_04 16:17

Oh my god, it stresses me out.

SPEAKER_05 16:19

So they broke the lamp, and I've probably used this, you know, growing up with you kids. They broke the lamp and they it started out as a uh perhaps a Rembrandt uh uh lamp and then it turned into Picasso. So they glued it back together, but of course the parents come home and they're like I always say, you know, growing up that parents are like detectives, they can know when shit, you know, oh yeah. We knew we knew most of this stuff. So uh it was a lesson lesson in honesty. Um there was the episode where Greg Brady uh was injured and was the took photos for the big football game and and captured a photo of a touchdown, but the player's foot was actually out of bounds and it was their team. So he of course the game ended, and he he he you know he uh printed these photos later on because there actually used to be film in cameras. Uh you had to take them to a grocery store or a little little little hut, uh like a Kodak hut to get your your photos developed. And it showed that you know the guy's foot was out of bounds, so it was a moral, you know, he's conflicted. He wanted the win for his team, but I think ultimately he was honest. I think took it to the coach or whatever, and I don't know if they lost their trophy, but uh I think there were all kinds of lessons like that. Um the other uh TV show, um another jingle for you.

SPEAKER_02 17:52

All right, ready, bring it on.

SPEAKER_07 17:53

Sunday, Monday, mm-hmm, Tuesday, Wednesday, mm-hmm, Thursday, Friday, mm-hmm, Saturday, what a day. Rockin' all week for you.

SPEAKER_03 18:07

Oh, I don't know this one. Okay. I was gonna go Saturday Night Live, but no.

SPEAKER_05 18:11

No, so um another clue, which probably won't help. Um there was a diner that these high school kids hung out in, and the owner of the diner was was the same guy who taught Ralph Macho and karate kidd, and that would be Pat Marita.

SPEAKER_03 18:33

Dad, I'm lost on this. You're lost on this. I don't know.

SPEAKER_05 18:37

You're lost like Bobby Brady. So that was Pat Marita, but it the TV show was Happy Days.

SPEAKER_02 18:42

Oh, I've heard you talk about this show a lot, but I've never seen it.

SPEAKER_05 18:45

Well, I've yeah, because again, there's lots of metaphors, and one that you I've used in in business in all walks of life is Jumpin' the Shark. Do you know what Jumpin' the Shark is?

SPEAKER_02 18:59

Yes, I do.

SPEAKER_05 19:00

We've talked about this.

SPEAKER_02 19:02

Yes, it's technically from it's technically a movie reference.

SPEAKER_05 19:06

No, it's a TV reference.

SPEAKER_02 19:08

Oh, oh from Happy Sorry, sorry, sorry, a TV reference, but basically that means that the show or the show has gone downhill, basically.

SPEAKER_05 19:18

It was the inflection point of it going downhill.

SPEAKER_02 19:21

Mm-hmm.

SPEAKER_05 19:22

So the episode well, first off, they replaced Pat Merita, I think it was contract dispute or something, or he went off to shoot uh uh karate kidd. They replaced him with another guy um who it was okay, and he ran Al's Al's Diner. I think the first one might have been Mel's Diner, but it's loosely based on the movie American Graffiti, also starring Ron Howard.

SPEAKER_02 19:48

Also, Nikki hasn't seen that.

SPEAKER_05 19:50

And um uh Harrison Ford is actually one of Harrison Ford's very first movies, American Graffiti. Um, so they replaced, you know, the the start of the Downhills repace replaced him. Um Ron Howard's younger sister was dating in the show um a guy named Chachi. And so and and they spun it out into another show called Joni Loves Chachi. That was the beginning of the end because Chachi was played by none other than Scott Bayo, who has become a very ugly right-wing influencer. Um, and you know, his biggest success was in his teens, and he's now like my age.

SPEAKER_02 20:34

Um I don't know any of these people.

SPEAKER_05 20:37

But anyway, jump the shark. So the s the the sh the TV show slowly started to devolve, they changed it. Uh Fonzi started talking more in the show, which is Henry Winkler, and uh they changed the set of the diner, which I didn't understand why they would do that. Um the script writing started getting campy. Anyway, there was somebody that challenged um Arthur Fonsarelli, uh, the Fonz, to a ski jumping contest, and he's in his leather jacket on water skis, and he goes over this ramp in slow motion and he's jumping over sharks. And it was so horrible. So they coined the term jumping the shark. Um embarrassing. Yeah, so it it became a term. Yeah, this day you would maybe maybe call it a meme, but I think the same thing. There are a lot of like you know, life lesson stories like when when um Richie Cunningham came home drunk and the parents were like, Well, how much did you drink? And he's like, Well, they're just these little glasses. And they're like, Well, how many did you have? You know, I'm I'm pointing to the size of the shot glass. And they and they're like, Well, how many did you have? And he's like, I don't know, 60. It was a big number. Well, well, uh audience members were. Have to correct me in the comments as to how many shots. Uh that is a good trivia question. How many shots did did Richie Cunningham have when he came home drunk to his parents?

SPEAKER_00 22:11

Definitely not 60.

SPEAKER_05 22:12

I'll just quickly talk about one more. Um it I I was looking at um I have a lot of projects. I've the podcast is my highest priority. I've started painting again, we've talked about that.

SPEAKER_02 22:25

Yes.

SPEAKER_05 22:25

But I had started writing a book. Um and and of my memory.

SPEAKER_02 22:30

I didn't know that. I did know that.

SPEAKER_05 22:32

And so I was looking in there um because I thought I had written about um the den, um which we call the family room, uh, when I was, you know, nine, ten years old. We meet we moved there when my mom remarried your grandma. And it had shag carpeting, it had like gold uh foil wallpaper on the walls, fun, um, wood paneling, you know, it was Detroit Circle, which you lived in years later.

SPEAKER_02 23:05

Very mid-sensitive.

SPEAKER_05 23:06

But that very family room is where we on Saturday nights, uh Bob would watch the Lawrence Welk show, and we would watch it. Um we were hoping for the more skit versions, but we we endured the Lawrence Welk show to uh get to the Carol Burnett show. And Carol Burnett, um, I loved her humor. Harvey Corman and Tim Conway uh skits just had me, and I think it I think it influenced my my humor today in a lot of the parody videos that I did with Seeking Boston. Um you can see some of the uh influence of Tim Conway um famous episode. You you should look at this up on on YouTube where Tim Conway uh is a dentist and Harvey Corman is his patient in the chair. And Tim Conway goes to and Harvey Corman doesn't want to take the shot. Tim Conway winds up shooting himself in the leg with the Novacane, his leg goes numb, so he can only stand on one one one leg, and it's just brilliant physical humor, and then he winds up stabbing his hand. So then he can't, you know, get the kneel, and Harvey Corman is just uh, of course, cracking up. So um those are fond memories of of early youth, and I think there were you know um yeah, perhaps life lessons that I I learned and would use them as analogies, you know, growing up with you kids.

SPEAKER_02 24:35

Definitely. No, I I think my shows are I don't know if they are similar, but they're the common theme.

SPEAKER_05 24:45

So we we do, we I should interrupt. We we we we know the outline before we record. We don't we don't share our answers because I think that that that is the most organic, um, you know, best possible outcome of our podcast.

SPEAKER_02 24:59

Um well and so funny because I actually have some quotes for you. Oh my goodness.

SPEAKER_05 25:07

Oh my goodness.

SPEAKER_02 25:08

And I am I don't I'm really curious to see if you're gonna get any of them. Similarly, I have two shows.

SPEAKER_05 25:17

Isn't this funny?

SPEAKER_02 25:18

We both we both uh shaped my personality, but I'm gonna Are you gonna sing? I am not gonna they're not jingles, they're they're actually well they're not jingles. Okay's the first one. I'm ready. I'm ready. I'm ready.

SPEAKER_05 25:37

I I'm gonna say powder puff girls.

SPEAKER_02 25:40

Oh no. No, well, kind of SpongeBob square pants.

SPEAKER_04 25:47

Oh god.

SPEAKER_02 25:48

How could you not like I feel like the SpongeBob voice is so distinct, and I remember growing up my mom was like so annoyed by the show, but like I thought it was so funny, and I think Annoyed by Spongebob or Squidward?

SPEAKER_05 26:05

Probably more annoyed by Squidward.

SPEAKER_02 26:07

No, I I think Spongebob just like his voice is I can't even replicate it, it's just so like high-pitched, and she didn't really understand like why I was watching the show on Nickelodeon. But like Spongebob as a character is a very positive person, always like he shows up to his job, his boss is mean to him. He has Squidward, who's like negative Nancy basically. Like he's always just a positive.

SPEAKER_05 26:35

Squidward probably wouldn't know how to have the cancer conversation, would he?

SPEAKER_02 26:40

I don't know. Spongebob would though. Spongebob would, um, but then also like it was so funny. Like, I actually, even to this day, I have like vocal stems, is what it's called. Like, um, this is Patrick. Like Patrick Star, like just like random things, or F is for friends who do stuff together. You is for you and me, and is for anywhere and anytime down here in the deep blue sea.

unknown 27:12

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 27:12

Anyways, I love Spongebob. It actually aired in 1999, which is crazy, and I still think it's going on now. But um, there were also some life lessons in there about just honesty and kindness, but I'm a very positive person, and I think SpongeBob SquarePants had something to do with that. Um, okay, let's move on to the next one.

SPEAKER_05 27:35

On to the next one.

SPEAKER_02 27:37

Okay, um I don't know if you're gonna get this one. They're very short quotes, which makes it challenging. Yeah, nasty. I'll repeat it. Yeah, nasty.

SPEAKER_05 27:51

Um I I'm not cheating, but it it I'm guessing that's so Raven.

SPEAKER_04 27:59

Yes! Oh my god, you got it!

SPEAKER_05 28:01

Well, I got it, I got it because you were you were preparing for the episode and I saw that so raven. So because I'm honest, like SpongeBob.

SPEAKER_04 28:09

You saw that on my screen.

SPEAKER_05 28:10

I saw it on your screen, so I would never have gotten that so raven.

SPEAKER_02 28:14

Um well I the theme song, that's so raven is the future I can see. That's so raven so mysterious to me. Yeah. And then she goes, Yep, that's me.

SPEAKER_05 28:28

She's been memed. Oh, so chewing gum. Yes. There's a meme of her, the actress, young actress, playing chewing gum, um, that is uh in uh the gifts that you load into X or Instagram.

SPEAKER_02 28:46

I loved that show. I thought it was so funny, but I also loved the fashion, like Raven's outfits. Even in the intro, she's wearing a bright blue and like teal outfit. She has like orange pants on, it's like a fur jacket, and there's like a mushroom on it. And her style was so eclectic for like a a young girl like myself to look up to. And I love I love lots of colors and fun, and so I feel like that influenced my fashion to a degree, but she also was always like authentically herself, and she was goofy, and obviously she's this is a character, right, on a television series, but it was so cool to see a young, confident woman and her just being herself. So I feel like that helped me gain confidence.

SPEAKER_05 29:39

That's funny because it uh the fashion um I can relate because the Brady bunch probably influenced our fashion, and I like to think we were we were some of the coolest dressed kids at Carl Sandberg Elementary School. Um I've got my class photos where my mom had me decked out in in a purple bell sleeve shirt. Bell sleeves? Bell sleeves, bell bottoms and bell sleeves.

SPEAKER_04 30:09

What color were your pants?

SPEAKER_05 30:10

Oh, they were they were they were plaid. I'm sure they were a pretty loud plaid. But they were not dad. They were bell bottoms, and I had a leather fringe vest.

SPEAKER_02 30:22

That's very 70s.

SPEAKER_05 30:24

Very 70s and influenced by um the Brady Bunch.

SPEAKER_02 30:30

I mean, yeah, that makes sense though, because television television influences culture, fashion, all of those things. And I mean, I probably didn't start expressing myself through fashion until my my twenties, really, but um I think about that show often. It was funny. So that's that's mine.

SPEAKER_05 30:48

That's awesome.

SPEAKER_02 30:49

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 30:50

Well, it's so funny we both had stumpers.

SPEAKER_02 30:53

Um well and you cheated.

SPEAKER_05 30:56

Well, I yeah, we both got one out of two, but I cheated on my one, so I think the the that would make uh you winning. Um so segueing into as Nikki mentioned, we we bond over TV shows today. And you know it um I love TV. We do. It uh for my life, there's many most evenings I'm in bed by 7, 7 30. And then same. That's uh well for different reasons.

SPEAKER_02 31:30

I know, I know.

SPEAKER_05 31:31

Um and um I have difficulty reading, although I'm you know uh working my way through uh Suleka's book.

SPEAKER_02 31:43

Making an effort.

SPEAKER_05 31:44

Making an effort, but um as a result, I mean I I love sports. Um uh our nuggets um tripped over themselves, our avalanche are heading to the Western Conference Finals, go as. Um but we we are very much into uh almost like a book club of having shows we like to watch at the same time and and discuss the episodes, and it usually ebbs and flows with what's good on TV, right? Um so you know I there there are a few shows that we probably want to talk about that are our favorites.

SPEAKER_00 32:23

Can't wait.

SPEAKER_05 32:31

That is actually pretty good. Oh, I did you practice that?

SPEAKER_02 32:35

No, I didn't. I sing it all the time.

SPEAKER_05 32:36

Wow.

SPEAKER_02 32:37

Um Game of Thrones.

SPEAKER_05 32:38

That would be Game of Thrones. Um we uh and we we kind of skipped over that that middle period of where we shared TV uh together in your youth, and you probably watched you know Breaking Bad and The Sopranos. I think we talked about it with your brothers on the last episode. Yep. Uh some shows you probably shouldn't have watched, but Game of Thrones as adults is is a show we we both got into. I actually didn't start watching the show right off the bat. Like a lot of like a lot of shows, you start hearing about it, and you're you know, with the beauty of streaming TV today, you can just pick up any show at any time.

SPEAKER_02 33:17

Um I was very late to the the bandwagon as well. I think I started watching it the same year that the final season came out. So I was kind of lucky because I got to binge watch the whole thing all the way up to the last season. And I know that we actually had a watch party here. Do you remember for the season finale?

SPEAKER_05 33:37

We did. We had to do that. I think we've done that for a couple of different shows.

SPEAKER_02 33:41

We have. It's it's just so fun because we you know, Franzi's awesome, you know, she finds some like bingo card online, or like, you know, we make it into a little competition of adding predictions and what we think is gonna happen, even though your nerd brother Keenan actually uh wrote the entire kingdom down on a piece of paper in like a four-point font in a mechanical pencil, and all the names and all the lineage.

SPEAKER_05 34:12

It's a very complicated show.

SPEAKER_02 34:14

Well, it is, but I mean it makes sense because from a you know, because they're obviously based on the the books from George R. Martin, which by the way, I finished the first one. Um, but world building in a fantasy land is difficult, but also super important because I mean almost all fantasy books, I have my little fantasy t-shirt on right now, FYI, um, but they all all of them almost have like a a map of this mythical land, but then the the family lineage too, it's hard to it takes time to understand. Um and even I have to look up the family tree all the time because I'm like, wait, how is this person connected to who?

SPEAKER_05 34:56

Well, it's definitely one of those where you you need to get the YouTube uh recap before you watch or you need to re-watch the first you know a given season before you start the next because it's so complicated. But why do you think why do you think you're so much into the Game of Thrones?

SPEAKER_02 35:14

I So we've talked about this a little bit, but for me, television is like is an escape from the You notice how I said the Game of Thrones. I think that's correct.

SPEAKER_05 35:26

It's not is it Game of Thrones or the Game of Thrones? I think it's Anyway, I we put the in front of everything because of my mom. Why do you I digress?

SPEAKER_02 35:34

Why do you think you Oh it's just Game of Thrones, my bad. Um, as I was saying, we all, well, I think you too, watch t television to escape, and I've always been window. Wind down. I've always been a natural storyteller myself. Like that's kind of what spearheaded me into my career. But then I love the character development of Game of Thrones as well as the different storylines, because you can pick any character from the starting point, and to see the evolution of that character over time, that's pretty difficult to do well. And I think the Game of Thrones characters, I mean, it's they're very colorful. I have so many favorites. Um, but the the other part that I love is dragons. I'm like really weird about dragons. Like, if I could have any mythical creature, like if I could bring back anything, it it would be a dragon.

SPEAKER_05 36:42

Well, if you think about the um it was Steven Spielberg and Jurassic Park with dinosaurs, where your mind was just blown over when Jurassic Park came out and and the imagery and the CGI of the dinosaurs. I think same thing with the dragons. Those dragons are so badass, so real.

SPEAKER_02 37:06

So badass, but they're also they're intelligent. I'm talking about them like they're real, but they're intelligent creatures.

SPEAKER_05 37:13

They have different colors, so you actually know their names if you really follow the show.

SPEAKER_02 37:17

And they're super loyal. So like when they they like bond with one writer and they're loyal to that person and that person only, and so they're very protective and you know, but they also can be, you know, sweet and kind, but uh like they also breathe fire, and I think they just overall symbolize strength, and I actually am looking around because I love dragons. I have dragons on my phone case.

SPEAKER_05 37:42

Look at you.

SPEAKER_02 37:43

Because it's just a it's a symbol of strength to me.

SPEAKER_05 37:47

But you weren't exactly like a you weren't like a Dungeons and Dragons like sci-fi nerd growing up.

SPEAKER_02 37:57

Um no, not really. But like now I I totally am. I'm in that land. Um I'm actually reading uh well I I read Throne of Glass, which is another fantasy series, which we can I could talk about that for forever. Right. But um I I did also start reading the Game of Thrones book, and I actually wanted to read you a quote from the book that really, really resonates with me and is also another reason why I love this show. But um Bran is talking with Ned Stark, his father. This is first book, think first season.

SPEAKER_05 38:38

Um before before or after he got pushed out the window.

SPEAKER_02 38:42

Before. So super early on.

SPEAKER_05 38:45

Okay.

SPEAKER_02 38:45

Um they're having this discussion because I think Ned has to take this journey down with the king to go to um King's Landing, right? And Bran asks, can a man still be brave if he's afraid? That is the only time a man can be brave, his father told him. And so I think for me, like fear and anxiety is something that everyone experiences, but definitely something for me, but you know, uh the only time a man can be brave is is if they're afraid. And um I I think that resonates with me also because you're really brave, dad, and everything that you're experiencing. I know it's scary, but without fear, there there is no bravery, and I I try to be brave in everything that I do and Yeah, that's funny.

SPEAKER_05 39:45

I I uh thank you. Uh before uh you sprang on me, and uh um as you're reading it, I that the first thing that came to mind is that um Yeah, of course I don't consider myself brave, but other people, you know, like my good friend Greg Benton, yeah, I think he talked to uh ran into a family member and just commented about how brave Ty is. And uh I think Franzi and I were talking about that at the dinner table last night. Um you really have no choice. I mean, you have a choice. You can you can wallow in misery because we we actually uh uh I I don't go out at night. I I have very few social engagements just because I crash so early and and uh you know an evening excursion will cause a crash the next day. It's just you know so it's just kind of my life. But she had an industry event and um with our good friend Ashley and and so the two of us went and I really enjoyed it, um but she got the same feedback that um people so a couple times I could I could tell we were across the room and she's talking to someone and they kind of look over and kind of had their sad face on, like, oh they must be having the cancer conversation right now. Um but she got a lot of feedback for people that are like I just can't believe how you know kind of casual you are, and you know that's that's at least our journey. We and trust me, there are you know, I I think I had a reaction from that day yesterday. I was uh a bit down, and um, you know, but overall we strive to uh you know bring normalcy and and uh everything is very vibrant when you have cancer because you know it is a death sentence, and you know, two and a half years ago I was told uh yeah, I've got two to you know five years to live. Um so you have for us, we have no choice but to you know uh be brave as you and but you know more importantly, just embrace life. And that that could be you know laying out.

SPEAKER_02 42:20

That looks in that looks different for everybody, and it doesn't have to bravery's doesn't have I think when people hear bravery they think of a knight going into a soldier in war. Battle, right, but it's um bravery comes through in many different ways and often just small ways in everyday life, and so I actually was I was really impressed because I have watched Game of Thrones like five times, but that quote is exactly how it is in the first season, like word for word, that quote is in the first season of Game of Thrones.

SPEAKER_05 42:57

That is insane.

SPEAKER_02 42:58

So, anywho, um Thank you so much for sharing that. Yeah, of course. No, I have a ton of other quotes and oh by the way, I still I have there's a dragon on my Kindle case too.

SPEAKER_05 43:08

So what um what do you what character do you what's your favorite character or what do you that you can relate to or just what's your favorite character?

SPEAKER_02 43:20

Do you want to guess who who my favorite character is from Game of Thrones?

SPEAKER_05 43:25

Oh goodness.

SPEAKER_02 43:26

Um I don't think you're gonna get it. Um I do have many, I will say, but what's Ned Stark's wife's name? Katherine Stark.

SPEAKER_05 43:39

Catherine Stark, I was gonna guess Katherine Stark.

SPEAKER_02 43:41

I do I do like Kat. Um she's not my favorite though. My favorite character is Brienne of Tarth. Do you remember?

SPEAKER_05 43:49

Was she the tall one?

SPEAKER_02 43:51

Yes, so she is talking about loyal. Yes, 100%. I I think I told you the other day, I was like, I'm like obsessed with knights lately. And I think Colin was like, like nighttime? I was like, no. And no, seriously. But so she is growing up. She's a huge, you know, she's super tall female, so she gets made fun of growing up. But then she's just different than women. She's not uh a lady and someone who is gonna be, you know, betrothed. So she goes on this journey to be a knight for Renley Baratheon, but she's not really a knight because she was hasn't hasn't been knighted, you know, but she she truly is one. Um, but I am a really big fan of her loyalty because at one point in the show she dedicates herself to Katherine Stark. Catherine obviously dies, and she just throughout the whole journey doesn't matter. She's not loyal to a a house, she's loyal to a person. And I think for me, didn't she go in to protect the daughter too? Mm-hmm. Yep. Yep. Um for me, like, there's something so beautiful about taking an oath, and like also another thing that we can control is our words and what we promise to people. And if I make an oath or a promise to someone, I'm gonna follow through with it like a knight does, like Brian of Tarth does. But then at the end of it's I think like second to last season or something like that.

SPEAKER_05 45:23

You are tenacious.

SPEAKER_02 45:25

She finally gets knighted by Jamie Lannister, who has, if you remember, you know, she put him up on this pedestal because Jamie Lannister is like the top knight of the nights, and she while as this whole time has been a knight, you're not actually a knight until another night knights you, by the way. So she gets knighted. I literally watched this scene, I'm like bawling my eyes out. Like I think it's so beautiful that she was a long journey for her to earn that. It was, yeah. Just her whole life, and um I thought, ugh, I guess I haven't cried on the Butterfly Mobility podcast, but am I getting Tyri eye thinking about Brian of Tarf getting knighted?

SPEAKER_05 46:03

We were close to using the cry jar. We did actually use the cry jar last week.

SPEAKER_02 46:07

Um, so that's that's my favorite character.

SPEAKER_05 46:11

Wow, so um there are so many characters and and you can pick and glean, you know, different uh aspects and characteristics, you know, from a character. That's where you get characteristics is a from a character. Um I would say, you know, um so many, but maybe a tie between Ned Stark and uh Tyrion Lannister.

SPEAKER_02 46:41

I love them both so much.

SPEAKER_05 46:43

Um so Ned Stark again, you know, you can tell we're father figure loyal loyal to his death. Um also you know, um maybe cancer parallels, although his demise came came fast. But um yeah, I just I thought he was badass. Um in you know the first season or two. I don't want to spoil or alert uh for those that haven't watched Game of Thrones. Oh, I just spoiled a bunch. But but yeah.

SPEAKER_03 47:19

It's been out for a while.

SPEAKER_05 47:20

It's been out for a while, so shame on you. Um check it out if you haven't. But uh but Tyrion, um, you know, he's a character.

SPEAKER_00 47:29

He's so funny. He's funny, he is smart, intelligent.

SPEAKER_05 47:34

Intelligent, good reader. There there's a there's more than a tinge of debauchery, which you know, I yeah, had debaucherous phases in my life. Pretty mild these days.

SPEAKER_02 47:45

Well, he's like drunk half the show.

SPEAKER_05 47:48

True. Um you know, but he also um shot his dad with a uh uh uh is it a bow?

SPEAKER_03 48:01

Bow and arrow.

SPEAKER_05 48:02

It's like wait, but it's what's the weapon that's where you pull it back and it goes it's not bow and arrow, but it's like a bow something.

SPEAKER_02 48:09

Oh my gosh.

SPEAKER_05 48:10

Anyway, um Archery is his dad on the toilet. Um and yeah, that um you know, was perhaps things that I weren't able to act out on in life because uh maybe in the business world there are people that I certainly did want to go in the bathroom and shoot them in the bow in in the bow while they were sitting on the shitter. Um I uh a couple of that that can come to mind I won't mention due to legal obligations, but you know who you are. Um but no, I that both those guys are are are pretty pretty badass.

SPEAKER_02 48:49

Well, and also again, like think of Tyrion from where he started, you know, he was a He's a bastard.

SPEAKER_05 48:56

He wasn't a bastard challenge.

SPEAKER_02 48:57

But his family treated him as such.

SPEAKER_05 49:00

John Snow was actually the bastard challenge.

SPEAKER_02 49:01

He he worked his way up to a hand of of the queen of Daenerys. And um, but prior to us moving on, because I know we want to talk about House of Dragon too, but um, I did have another quote that I also think you will like from Ned Stark. If you would take a man's life, you owe it to him to at least look into his eyes and hear his final words. And if you cannot bear to do that, then perhaps the man does not deserve to die.

SPEAKER_04 49:30

Wow.

SPEAKER_02 49:30

And so I think for me, like I in my life, like I take the words of if you don't have anything nice, don't say it at all. And I think it's really easy to like online, like spew really negative thoughts or comments, but like if you don't actually have the guts or the balls to say that to someone's face, then why are you saying it at all? And so he like that just really speaks to the kind of man that Ned Stark is. Wait. Oh I know. I know, oh my gosh, I totally forgot the the actress. Um oh my gosh, I can't remember her name either. Um but yeah, she's in Severance as well, which we also love.

SPEAKER_05 50:25

Which would take a we'd have to rewatch the yeah, we'd have to definitely rewatch to even begin to talk about that complex show. It it is uh another one that we we both loved. Um you know, teetered on, you know, science fiction.

SPEAKER_02 50:43

Yeah, yeah, science fiction is a very good thing.

SPEAKER_05 50:46

Because there's a uh it's not exactly time travel, it's you know uh what would you call that?

SPEAKER_02 50:52

I don't know. I I think that's also why it's so drawing, because like the concept of a you you get your brain switches to a completely different person when you clock in for work.

SPEAKER_05 51:06

You're programmed, and the beauty is you go to work and you're this standalone character, and when you go home in the elevator, you it mind wipes and it it is a fantasy in that you imagine going home and not having to stress over work. Well, and but adversely, you wouldn't be able to talk about your joys and wins either.

SPEAKER_02 51:32

Well, and also something that I really think about quite often is without the bad times in life, there would be no good times. Like without the hardships, without the stress, you wouldn't know and you wouldn't know how to be mindful and present in that happiness. So I don't know if I would I would be like sign up for that severance.

SPEAKER_05 51:59

Exactly. As I as I was uttering those words, I I realized the folly of that, and that that is you you you can't pick and choose and say, I don't I want to forget that day or that job or that stretch of time because then it was hopefully followed by a great boss, and you know, I I had a great career um with with only a couple of really bad experiences, but um, you know, I got to travel the world, I worked with great people, still good friends uh with many of them. Um so I don't I don't think I would sign up for the Severance thing.

SPEAKER_02 52:39

No, I wouldn't either.

SPEAKER_05 52:41

But I leapfrogged as Severance. Um you did.

SPEAKER_02 52:44

That's okay.

SPEAKER_05 52:45

But um we're also hanging a hanging uh um approaching the end, and I do want to end with movie quotes. Is there more that you want to talk about in terms of Game of Thrones? We could do a whole episode, and that that's what Nicoly was Nikki initially was talking about.

SPEAKER_02 53:02

I mean you I think you've you've understood how nerdy I think it's a good idea.

SPEAKER_05 53:05

Yes, you can go deep and we probably could go a full episode just and there are podcasts out there that do inside the episode, but that's that's not what we're about. I think you know it's been great to talk about the journey and how TV and now streaming shows become a fiber of perhaps who you are, what you enjoy, part of your escape. Um you have that bed day of work and kind of like go into the movies where you just forget about everything and you escape into uh a show or a movie.

SPEAKER_02 53:39

Yep. I transport into my fantasy land and I just read about dragons and knights, and it's really fun.

SPEAKER_05 53:47

Yeah, but I would I would say that the three that we probably you know, I would lump together um House of the Dragon along with Game of Thrones. Um Severance and I would probably put Pluribus right up there in three of the shows that we just are are totally geeked out on. You know, uh if you haven't watched Pluribus, absolutely do it. I think that one appealed to me because it was kind of a childhood fantasy. There were a couple of movies with Charlton Heston that I can recall, I think it was the Omega Man. Imagine what life would be like if you all of a sudden were the only person left on a planet. Um I've never had that same no, it it it's kind of like invisible in but these were like movies where you get sucked into you know 99% is horrible because your family's gone, you know, uh you know, so many things are gone. The the intriguing part is you can go anywhere. And that's the cool part is they finally figure, man, I can go to I can go stay in the nicest hotel. They start drawing, you know, there's the guy in Vegas that has a lineup of like 12 of the most badass cars outside.

SPEAKER_02 55:14

Well, yeah, but then he's like the aliens are like playing into his fantasy, which is also just like.

SPEAKER_05 55:19

So there's the alien factor. So she she isn't she isn't actually the only it's not like the Omega Man where she's the only one there. There are these these alter ego, you know, aliens that are also there that uh um you know, and there's only a handful of people that we know of, like five, I want to say, that are like her character. And they try reaching out to each other.

SPEAKER_02 55:45

Yeah, well, she is like, what is her name? Why am I blinking on the character's name? Okay, this is gonna drive me crazy. Cat, it's not I'm looking this up really quick.

SPEAKER_05 55:56

Well, she was in Better Call Saul.

SPEAKER_02 55:58

Yes, I'm actually rewatching that right now, of course.

SPEAKER_05 56:00

She was a girlfriend, um, on and off again, love interest of Saul Goodman.

SPEAKER_02 56:06

Do do do cast. Oh my god. Also, by the way, Pluribus has a 99% rating on Rotten Tomatoes. Do you know how crazy high that is?

SPEAKER_05 56:18

Well, I can see why. No, it's it's it's an insane insanely good show.

SPEAKER_02 56:22

Amazing. Oh, Carol! That's it. I was like, it's something with a C or a K. They're like, hello, Carol.

SPEAKER_05 56:28

Then they're like But what's the actress's name?

SPEAKER_02 56:31

Ray Seahorn. Rhea Seahorn. Rhea Seahorn. I love her. Um I can't wait for season two of that. It's again, it's like a show that's there's nothing, there's no other show like it. Like Severance, like the concept.

SPEAKER_05 56:47

Indeed.

SPEAKER_02 56:49

Indeed. Um, okay, I know you have some movie quotes though, so we can we can jump to that.

SPEAKER_05 56:56

So um I think wrapping up it it in short of being duplicitous um TV, you know, can influence uh uh you at different times in your life. Um hopefully it's not your your total being. Um you know, um because sitting in front of the TV all day, you know, that would that would not be you know, so we we try and definitely go for the the the quality programs, but uh it is something we can uh do together sometimes physically together but virtually together because you know my evenings are are so uh remember the word sedentary.

SPEAKER_02 57:42

Said and terry.

SPEAKER_05 57:44

Said and terry.

SPEAKER_02 57:45

Um yes, no, I I agree, but it's just I love good TV. And I love the production component to it. I love to analyze and think about the the actors and the actresses and how they actually pulled off filming all of these things, so that's that's also fun too.

SPEAKER_05 58:05

Okay, so I'm gonna do we're gonna we're gonna wrap with movie quotes before final thoughts. Alright, I'm ready. Uh uh. I don't know about you.

SPEAKER_00 58:13

I'm ready.

SPEAKER_05 58:15

Yes, you are. Um so there's two characters in this scene. Um How may I help you? You can start by wiping that fucking dumbass smile off your rosy fucking cheeks, then you can give me a fucking automobile, a fucking Dotson, a fucking Toyota, a fucking Mutt Stang, a fucking Buick, four wheels, and a seat. I really don't care for the way you're speaking to me. And I don't really care for the way your company left me in the middle of fucking nowhere with fucking keys to a fucking car that isn't fucking there.

SPEAKER_02 58:54

Um lot of F-bombs on that one. I don't know. I don't know.

SPEAKER_05 58:59

Um It is one of my favorite movies. It is Planes, Trains and Automobiles.

SPEAKER_04 59:05

Oh, I don't know if I've seen that one.

SPEAKER_05 59:06

Oh my god. Because it it um uh John Candy's in it, and they become unlikely travel partners uh trying to get home in this uh plain trains and automobiles.

SPEAKER_00 59:22

That's how you get home.

SPEAKER_05 59:25

The um we had a we had a respite weekend on the anniversary of of last year's Santa Fe, um and we had a night uh where we went to a sound bath. Um this is this is where we get off on a tangent. But so we go we go to a tangent. We go to a sound bath, and I seek out things that can drain the fear of cancer out of my body, and so my wife is amazing. We've done some candlelight um uh four-person orchestra concerts um and sound baths. I think those two things are things in my life that I can go do where I'm just sitting there and I'm able to escape. Um but as we're getting ready, and it we went to an insane sound bath and it was at the cave of the winds. It was at the cave of the winds, but Nikki learned that a sound bath does not include water because she was wondering if she needed to what she needed to wear. Uh did she need to wear a bathing suit?

SPEAKER_02 1:00:31

I was so unprepared for a respite weekend.

SPEAKER_05 1:00:34

Yes. Um but um as things were quieting down and everybody was settling in for it was like 90 minutes of of just pure relaxation, um it was really quiet. And I and I said, those aren't pillows.

SPEAKER_03 1:00:54

Oh my god.

SPEAKER_05 1:00:56

Did you hear me? Did you hear me say that?

SPEAKER_03 1:00:58

No, I don't think I did.

SPEAKER_05 1:01:00

There were some ladies behind us that laughed because it was from Plain Straise's Autobotes. So there's a scene where they're in this crappy hotel and Steve Martin has to share a bed with John Candy, and um there's a scene where they talk about his hands between the pillows. Well, they weren't, those aren't pillows because it was John John Candy's pillows. Uh um this is a a moment where you I'm gonna pause. You can fill in or we can edit this out, but I need to go get a prop. Okay, so I will be right back.

SPEAKER_02 1:01:41

I'll I'll talk about more about that sound bath. Um, I didn't realize that like you had to be quiet the whole time during it, which is really hard for me. But um, like you could hear a pin drop in there. I brought candy thinking I could eat it. No way, there's no way. Um, but we were laying on like yoga mats, and the music was so it took you on a spiritual journey, basically. Felt like I was at Burning Man, to be honest. Um, oh Louie. Dad has reentered the church.

SPEAKER_05 1:02:15

You entered the stage.

SPEAKER_02 1:02:16

You have Mac who's very interested in what you're doing.

SPEAKER_05 1:02:21

Mac, yeah. So the d the dogs have been with us.

SPEAKER_02 1:02:24

They've been really quiet.

SPEAKER_05 1:02:26

Uh, they have been good.

SPEAKER_02 1:02:27

Do you you need your headphones or no?

SPEAKER_05 1:02:30

Uh I'll grab them in a second.

SPEAKER_02 1:02:31

Okay, okay.

SPEAKER_05 1:02:32

You're so actually I'll probably do it without. So you've got a speaking part in the head. Oh, I have a speaking part. So when I point to you and the parentheses, that's that's your character and your motivation.

SPEAKER_01 1:02:44

Wait, what what so like an American southern accent?

SPEAKER_05 1:02:49

Yes. So you're gonna you're gonna speak in a southern term tone when I when I tell you to read your your scene. So we've got for those uh on the audio, we've entered in Louie, our one of our two our Bishon. So he's my prop in this movie quote. And when I when I look to you, you read your line.

SPEAKER_02 1:03:14

Okay, all right.

SPEAKER_05 1:03:15

So you're a southern woman in in a bit of fr you're you're scared. You're frantic, okay?

SPEAKER_04 1:03:23

Okay.

SPEAKER_06 1:03:23

Got it?

SPEAKER_04 1:03:24

Uh yeah.

SPEAKER_06 1:03:25

Okay.

SPEAKER_04 1:03:25

I'll do my best.

SPEAKER_06 1:03:27

It rubs the lotion on its skin. It does this whenever it's told.

SPEAKER_04 1:03:33

Mister, my family will pay cash. Whatever ransom you're asking for. They'll pay it.

SPEAKER_06 1:03:41

It rubs the lotion on its skin, or else it gets the hose again.

SPEAKER_02 1:03:47

Um, uh Silence of the Lambs.

SPEAKER_06 1:03:50

Silence of the Lambs.

SPEAKER_02 1:03:51

Um good.

SPEAKER_05 1:03:52

You were you're one of two. Um probably because the acting was phenomenal. Your your your Southern accent was a little you went a little too heav heavy on the Southern.

SPEAKER_04 1:04:02

Well, you said Southern accent.

SPEAKER_05 1:04:04

I didn't say deep southern, but you Mr. My family pay you cash for whatever handsome you're asking for. I like it.

SPEAKER_02 1:04:11

I didn't know what movie or else I would have.

SPEAKER_05 1:04:15

Um I maybe I should have been an actor, you know, my but so voice actor. So the reason I left the room was I went and grabbed Louie and um Louie, as Keenan put it, um the the groomer did you dirty because Louis got a groom and and uh he looks better. He's got a pretty bad haircut. But he was um Ted Levine was the actor um that played um that's one of my favorite movies. Yeah, God. I love such a one of those movies I watch over and over. So we've talked, we've covered a lot of ground today. We we could have gotten much deeper on Game of Thrones, but I loved that we we kind of covered um different chapters of our lives and how uh TV influenced our early years. Yeah. Um it helped Nikki blossom from a super shy girl afraid of her own shadow into a confident businesswoman. Um I'd like to think that you know uh parents had a lot to do with that, but it was it was a journey. Um but you I I'm sure you related to those characters um growing up, just as I did to Bobby Brady.

SPEAKER_02 1:05:28

Definitely.

SPEAKER_05 1:05:29

Um but we've loved we've loved sharing the out the hour with you talking about TV shows.

SPEAKER_00 1:05:36

Um thank you.

SPEAKER_05 1:05:37

You know, I think did we skip over page four update? I think we did.

SPEAKER_02 1:05:43

Oh my god, we did.

SPEAKER_05 1:05:45

Okay, so I will wrap with that. We we we uh we had the agenda and um I think we got excited about the fan jingle that my brother wrote. So page four update. Page four meaning it's stage four cancer, so it's a Play on words, and that's when I briefly talk about because no, this podcast isn't all the depths and depravities and pains of cancer. Um PSA, which we've talked about, which is that prostate-specific antigen, uh, is what's what we've been measuring to see how treatment has been working. Um it jumped up in my last quarterly uh they were alarmed, and that fundamentally means that cancer treatment has stopped working. So they did talk about a trial um that were pretty much ready to, and Mac is Mac has very eagerly joined the conversation uh for those on YouTube. Um we're gonna go with this trial. I I will share more details. You know, I'm actually going in. They wanted to remeasure in a month, and that's gonna be this next Tuesday. So we'll probably record or we'll probably produce this episode after that that appointment, because it takes takes a good week for me to get it out. But um it was stressful because it it's hard to hear that you know treatment has stopped working essentially and my numbers are going up. Um but you know, we're very excited about this trial and what it can do, and it also has uh deals with T cells and immunity. So my friends in the long COVID community will understand those terms because that is part of my long COVID experience. So that's something you know why we're we're leaning towards going down this Johnson and Johnson trial is that it um is shown to be effective with prostate cancer, but I also have a broken immune system. So it uh I think it's got added benefit to do that. So we will we will update in uh when we record next. Um we may update on social accounts, but once again, I think it's been a it's been a great hour with you, Nikki.

SPEAKER_02 1:08:11

Anything quite an hour of ginger power.

SPEAKER_05 1:08:13

Not quite an hour of ginger power.

SPEAKER_02 1:08:15

No, I I I've I've heard this the update, but I I'm glad that you're sharing it with our audience, and I think the family is really hopeful about the trial. I'm I'm excited for it. I think it'll I can't hurt.

SPEAKER_05 1:08:29

Yeah, well, you know, the My perception of of clinical trials before I got cancer was it was a Hail Mary. Uh that's a football term for the game is essentially over and you've got basically one shot. Oh, you you know you know what Hail Mary is? No, I do, but I that's not how I I view a clinical trial as like a No, I'm saying w my perception of clinical trials before I got cancer was that you were far gone and this was something that hadn't been proven because if it had been proven cancer would be cured. Um the fact of the matter is, you know, my perception has changed and you gotta have hope because um without hope you you can you know choose to lay down and die and you will lay down and die, quite literally. Um so it it does give you hope. Um and I think cancer research in the last we've talked about it has progressed so much in so much the last um gosh, seven to ten years has been 10x what it was the previous 40 years.

SPEAKER_02 1:09:46

Right, yeah. So that I think that's for my for me, I'm like, this is you know, we transfer hope, but also the the is a very it's a very um not aggressive. Oh my gosh, I cannot think of the word progressive. Aggressive, aggressive, well aggressive, but a progressive. It is both aggressive and progressive, and yeah, so I'm I'm excited about it.

SPEAKER_05 1:10:13

Yeah. So um we will keep you updated, but um thanks for riding along with us today, and hopefully we um showed you that we do find light and darkness.

SPEAKER_02 1:10:30

We do find light and darkness every day.

SPEAKER_05 1:10:33

Last weekend we found light and darkness in the darkness, because at the sound bath it was actually uh absolutely amazing. But uh again, thanks for listening, and we will catch you next month um here on the Butterfly Pavilion Podcast.

SPEAKER_02 1:10:50

Thanks so much. Talk to you soon.

SPEAKER_05 1:10:52

Bye bye.