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The Wonder Years: The Siblings Episode

• Nikki Godwin • Season 2 • Episode 5

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Ty's brother flies in from California at the start of Ty's clinical trial. A great weekend  and great memories covered in this month's episode of The Butterfly Pavilion Podcast. Ty provides an update on his state IV cancer clinical trial,. we talk early years growing up, and subjects his siblings to "movie quotes!" 

The Butterfly Pavilion Podcast follows the journey of a father with metastasized stage IV prostate cancer and his daughter. Wanting to capture stories and maximize his time with his daughter was the genesis of the show. 

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SPEAKER_03

Excellent. We've got Ty Godwin again from the Butterfly Pavilion Podcast without Nikki Godwin this uh this month. She is somewhere over the state of Vermont. Uh she's been traveling back east, but I'm very excited to have uh more podcast versions. Uh I've got my siblings with us uh today. Uh Tim Kim Tattai. Uh do you want to go around and just introduce yourselves real quick? Because we got some more familia on the podcast.

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I am Kim, the sibling sister.

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Sibling sister.

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I am Todd.

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Tim. My name is Tim, and I am the oldest.

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The oldest and wisest of the group. So yes, the oldest. I've got uh we may call this the Wonder Years, we may call this the Wonder Years episode because uh we'll be talking about uh my awkward youth. The whole idea again of the Butterfly Pavilion podcast, if you're new to us, and remember to like and subscribe. Uh the genesis was uh Nikki's mom wanted uh suggested that she record conversations with her dad. You know, the elephant in the room being I've got stage four cancer, and and you want to make sure you get all the stories out of dad while I'm still here and able. And uh I think I'm gonna be here a long time, but we we are expanding on that this week with siblings. So I I'm a little nervous where this thing might go. But you better be. What what might be pulled out of the storage closet in the basement? Um, but with that, before we jump into the meat of today, we do have the creator of uh the fan mail jingle, and we do have some fan mail this week, but the jingle from Tim.

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Fan mail, fan mail. Can't wait for a fan mail. Fan mail.

SPEAKER_03

Sweet. That jingle uh courtesy from uh brother Tim, who was at the Paramount Theater last night. America was in town, and uh my brother the rock star, we've talked about it before, he was pulled up on stage. Tim, what was the what was the last song that you you did, the finale? A classic America song, Horse with No Name. Horse with no name. I don't think that's about horses and a stable and a ranch. I think it's a it's a it's some symbolism of something from the 70s, right?

SPEAKER_04

Say that again? I don't think I don't think it's about a horse. No, I uh or a man that rode in on a horse. I don't know.

SPEAKER_03

I think it's I think it's a drug song.

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But uh but for me it was like a classic to Bay Plan a classic America song was a highlight of my life.

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Yeah, you and her uh uh and mine, because I was there. And Todd went with them, yes. I was at home uh with pups. Um so Tim wrote the fan mail jingle. We do have a couple quick fan mails I want to read. Um from Leslie. I am sorry to hear that your last treatment is no longer working. I am sending you daily optimistic thoughts and vibes for success with the clinical trial. I care a lot, exclamation point. Sending my love to you and uh Franzi. Uh thank you, Leslie, for that heartfelt note. Very sweet. Um from Becky uh in my Twitter sphere. Uh if anyone were to beat the odds, it would be you. You were blessed with an incredible family. So that's uh that's timely that I plucked this uh fan mail. Uh you're blessed with an incredible family and always surrounded with love. Uh keeping you in my prayers, your journey is inspirational. Uh, thank you so much, Becky, uh, for that fan mail. Um, so we are going to get into uh uh some yesteryear or wonder years, but I first uh wanted to apologize for bathroom gate. Um we we recorded uh well we've we've got a new for those on the YouTube of the visual of the YouTube, uh we've got a different visual setting this week with the old man painting. But last episode we had a clear shot of our family room, very serene setting uh with the bathroom door open. So apologies for those that had to watch the toilet for an hour. Um we will make sure that we keep that door closed going forward. Um page four update. I'm gonna get the ugly out of the way early. Um page four update is where I will occasionally give an update on uh my cancer journey and my cancer treatment. So I discussed in last in the last episode that uh treatment had stopped working and that we were likely going to move ahead with a clinical trial. Well, a lot has happened uh in the last month as both our due diligence on doing the trial, uh imaging and blood tests, etc., as a prerequisite for the trial. We were approved for the trial. Um I had a bone scan, a CT scan, a um PET PSMA. Um, a PET PSMA, by the way, is is new technology within the last few years. I have equated it to like luminol, uh, where it just gives a very accurate, detailed view of cancer within the body. So the benefit is that the uh uh sponsor of the trial pays for all those those tests. So we establish a baseline. Um and it's a at a high level, I would describe it as immunotherapy and uh a T cell enabler, if I'm using the right terms. Uh a lot of gobbledygook, but it it's uh super time intensive over between now and the next three months and treatment, uh pretty heavy weekly visits going up through October. So it's a huge time commitment for myself and my wife. I think we're gonna do try and do some tag teaming to get over to the hospital, but it is in fusions, and um what's wild about it is when they first started this trial, they hospitalized you because they were getting some pretty severe reactions, and so they had you in the hospital free for three days uh making sure you didn't have any kind of reactions. What they did with me and what they're currently doing is a ramp up dosage. So I had my first infusion uh just this last week, and I go in uh I noticed uh and going to bed last night. I have a calendar reminder. I'm already going in again uh here in a couple days uh on Tuesday for a step-up infusion, and then on the 23rd of June, it will be a full dose. Um but there's a lot of blood testing and imaging that we will do along the way. But fundamentally, that uh uh you know, testosterone is a dinosaur's food that I talk about a lot on the podcast. PSA is the measurement of that dinosaur activity uh or the volcano, whatever, whatever analogy you want to use. But fundamentally, my PSA started rising, and that meant you know, treatment was no longer effective. Um so we're excited, yeah, a little bit nervous, you know, about what's ahead with these infusions. Um, you know, but uh a good part of a cancer battle is your your mental journey. So I feel I've got the right mental attitude going into this. And we do have a phrase around here at the Butterfly Pavilion Podcast, and that is finding light in darkness. So we found a lot of light this weekend, did we not? We did. We're always finding light when we get together.

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A lot of light.

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Um now, do they do the lighters? They don't do the lighters at the concerts like they did in the 70s and 80s. Were there were their cell phones out with their lights on?

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Lights on.

SPEAKER_03

Lights on, okay.

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Hey, I one quick thing while just treatment, because I want to talk, just curious, like with all your past treatments. Yes. In this treatment, have you felt any different? Is there any different feeling when from this than others?

SPEAKER_03

That's a good question. The so um at a high level uh, you know, uh you want to kill the dinosa kill the dinosaur's food source, and that's the testosterone. So I started testosterone treatment um right when I was diagnosed. In fact, I I'm like, give me that shot today. So I I've got quarterly lupron shots, and I was on an oral uh um hormone deprivation drug called Zitega. Um that had its own effects. So if you Google and read up on what happens if I lose all my testosterone, fatigue is is kind of exacerbated because I've already deal with fatigue with my long COVID. So I got lung COVID, I got cancer, and then they're like, oh, let's take away his testosterone, too, you know. So um that is a component. Um, the difference between well, and then chemo was yeah, I I best describe it as being poisoned, and you are being poisoned. You're basically napalming your entire body. Um that surprisingly I managed quite well up until the last treatment, uh, with the exception of that first night. That first night you go home and you you feel like you've been poisoned. You know, you've got something foreign running through your body. Um I had a little bit of that yesterday with the infusion that I had earlier in the week because they said that you're gonna have a delayed reaction, any reaction you're gonna have. And of course they gave me a long list of a if you have a fever, if you have this, if you have that, call right away, da da da. Um too early to tell how to compare. Um I felt a little off yesterday, but it it felt like a combination of the flu, fibromyalgia, you know, the usual fatigue, and just something kind of I felt like something different kind of coursing through my body. But we're basically between now and in three weeks, uh now two weeks away, we will ramp up to full dose. I went from like uh three or six milligrams to I'll do I'll ingest three hundred milligrams. Um so I think you know, stay tuned. Yeah, we'll see what you know the side effects are there. Um I did have IV IG infusions, which is very similar because it's uh also addressing the immune system in the body. I had that two or three years ago, but this is a phase one clinical trial. Um there's only, I believe, less than 300 people in the world on this drug. Um you know, so we're excited. But I uh I think I had a little bit of a taste of a comparison to other treatments yesterday, but I think we'll know more, you know, a few days after that full full dosage.

SPEAKER_04

Right.

SPEAKER_03

So it's probably good they're easing into it because I could uh really Well yeah, like I said, they when they first started this thing, they they put you in the hospital because they were getting all kinds of weird reactions, but um Yeah, I I'd say overall I tolerated you know the the the that first taste of a dose just just fine.

SPEAKER_05

So how many milligrams on Tuesday?

SPEAKER_03

Um I'll have to get back to you and put that in the comments of the podcast episode, Todd. Um it's probably ramp it up. I uh Franzi would know the answer to that. It uh honestly, this is like a 10x in complexity of treatment and time commitment. Um there are days when I go in for a dose and then I've go in, gotta go into the hospital every day for blood tests. So the testing and monitoring is extensive. Um you know it's it's somewhere between that five and three hundred. Uh so I uh you know, um I will I will get back to you on that. Um part of me doesn't want to know. I know I know I know I know what it is on the uh the 23rd, but it's a it's a big dose. But uh you know, the way I look at it is um you've you we've got to do something um because the the dinosaur or the volcano is is active and um I also feel that it's uh you know a noble effort because this hopefully helps me, but I'm hoping that it helps others as well. Um you think of pluvicto as another drug that's on the market right now for cancer treatment. Uh that was still in clinical trial when I was first diagnosed, and it's now on commercials on TV, you hear it. Anytime you watch a s you know, sports ball, you're gonna you're gonna get a pluvicto ad. So um yeah, that's why I'm I'm very big on you know cancer research and investment, both from a private perspective as well as from uh uh a university and and government perspective. Um we're the richest nation in the land, we need to continue to invest in things like cancer research, but that's that's another topic. That is a whole topic in itself in one day. But um yeah, I know I've covered bits and pieces of that over the weekend. Any other questions for you from you on stage four? Where'd you get that shirt? This shirt I got at uh Sierra. That's nice. Um not a sponsor, but you could be. Uh okay. So that's page four. So that's uh that's some heavy stuff. So we're we're gonna lighten it up. Um we want to talk about uh the the home that we we lived in two homes growing up, right? There was East Fair Place uh uh while our mom and dad were together, divorce.

SPEAKER_05

I ran away from that home.

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Did you run away?

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You're a delinquent to the Harrington's next door.

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Well, you were a delinquent according to Fred Schilteis next door.

SPEAKER_04

Yep. I ran away too from that house. Um you know it did you? I did. But I made it a little further than Todd. I made it up to a safe way.

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Did you? I turned around.

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Did you have did you have any change or were you gonna like buy a uh some jujubies or I realized I had maybe a quarter of that and then realized that's not gonna get me far, so I rode my bike back and apologized for running away.

SPEAKER_03

What's what's funny is I I don't know why I ran away. Do I've got very few memories of of East Fairplace. So over the weekend, siblings drove by and the house is for sale, and we won't won't get into that, but um my imagery, because I was so young, is that I was what six years old when five, probably. Probably five. I remember the sandbox and I remember the the cemetery was across the street, right? Yeah, in our backyard. And you remember when when it flooded remember when it flooded? Yes, yes. It I mean it looked like a lake.

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I know Elvis wanted to go swimming in it.

SPEAKER_03

Well, it was there was so much water that you could have had rowboats and whatnot out there.

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Oh yeah.

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Um so I remember I remember playing in the sandbox. I remember a birthday party with a where I got a burlap tent. I think I talked to Nikki about that. Um and I remember the day that mom was going on her honeymoon or wedding slash honeymoon with Bob, and somebody was supposed to somebody had a book rack on their bike. They took off after school, so I had to walk my bike home. I'm crying, and I see a plane fly overhead, and I'm thinking that's mom and Bob. Because I couldn't get home in time. I thought I was gonna miss them leaving and their farewell, their bon voyage to go off to Vegas for their wedding. So I've I've got very little imagery, but we're gonna we're gonna we could talk about that, but I think we're gonna focus on the the wonder years on Detroit circles. So we move, you know, mom remarried, she marries Bob, great guy, and fourth grade. Fourth grade for you?

SPEAKER_05

Fourth grade, yeah.

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Third grade for me.

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Sixth for me.

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Sixth. All right.

SPEAKER_04

So I guess I'll move on. Carl Sandberg elementary. Right. But yeah, it was but before we got a lot a lot of crazy memories on Fair Play, so too.

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Yeah.

SPEAKER_04

Well, that's what I'm saying.

SPEAKER_03

I was so young, I I I've got very few.

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Well, I one in particular is we used to go in the over across the street and like run into the cemetery to get as far as we could before we get caught by the groundskeeper. And one time we went in so far and we found the because we the story was he would shoot you with salt rock.

SPEAKER_03

Was that you and Brad Jenkins?

SPEAKER_04

Well, I think you were there. Literally. Todd was there because I remember we're really because we remember there was we saw the groundskeeper, he came out and said, You guys get out of here! Run, and we all ran, and Todd froze in his try. You stopped.

SPEAKER_03

Nothing scarier than a than a stopped you.

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You didn't stop.

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Todd, Rod, run! Well, you and you didn't use his his code name. Like I didn't think I needed black. You you actually yelled out his name.

SPEAKER_04

Todd Godwin, living in 2396.

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Probably nothing scarier than a groundskeeper in a yelling at you in a uh graveyard. Cemetery, graveyard. Yeah. Was it at night? No, with a dark gray jumpsuit.

SPEAKER_04

It was day, it was day coming after you. Did he have a hockey mask on?

SPEAKER_05

That's why I froze. He had the hockey mask on. Oh my god.

SPEAKER_03

God, yes. Um I do remember the kitchen table conversation when Dad told us he was moving out.

SPEAKER_04

Right. Oh yeah, that was emotional.

SPEAKER_03

I mean, I I I've again just, you know, the younger you are, you've got shorter little kind of little bursts of memory. Um, but I remember probably sitting on a four mica table and I didn't fully understand it. You every you three started crying, so I started crying, but I didn't know why. I didn't know why I was crying. I th I thought dad was just going on a trip, maybe or something.

SPEAKER_04

Well, we went on a trip. We went on a trip for a long trip.

SPEAKER_00

Well, and actually we were younger than sixth grade, fourth grade, third grade. So this is like sixty-eight.

SPEAKER_04

It was two yeah, so like third grade for me.

SPEAKER_00

That's true.

SPEAKER_04

Yeah, I was still a Peabody, yeah. I was in the sixth grade.

SPEAKER_03

Well, that's when he moved out. I don't know how long we stayed in the middle of the year. Oh, we stayed in there almost two years. Two years.

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68 to 70.

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So that was in the period what was was Jackson 5 oh Jackson 5 would have been at Detroit Circle, right? Yeah.

SPEAKER_06

Yes, because it was 72.

SPEAKER_03

All right.

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Yeah.

SPEAKER_04

Yeah, that you mom mom took you guys to a lot of things you didn't take me through.

SPEAKER_03

Well, we'll we'll get into that. We'll get into the raise your hand if uh segment of today's show. Um well, so anybody else have East Fair Place memories?

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I have one memory.

SPEAKER_03

Do you remember the kitchen table conversation? Oh, good. Did you know what was going on?

SPEAKER_00

I was confused.

SPEAKER_03

Right. Yeah. Well, we were young.

SPEAKER_00

I mean, we were young. But I remember one time, because the kitchen it was a tri-level, and when you walked in.

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Were you as confused and angry as you were when when uh um someone else showed up for the Glenn Campbell concert? That was Okay, we're not we're not out of therapy on that. I'm sorry I brought that one. Yeah, don't bring that up. Go ahead, Kim.

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Anyway, the it was a tri-level, and so you when you walked in, it was you know, the living room and then the dining room and then the kitchen, and you could just run well I did something, and dad started chasing me and I ran probably at least three times, full circle, full circle. Just kept running, kept running, kept running, and then he finally caught up with me. Did he double back and no, he didn't double back, he kept chasing me.

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Caught, yeah.

SPEAKER_00

I mean he finally caught me.

SPEAKER_03

Did he take the belt to you?

SPEAKER_00

I th yeah. I think he took the belt to all of us.

SPEAKER_03

You know, the 60s, 70s was kind of a messed up time when you're gonna be able to get it. Yeah, it was a messed up time. It wasn't it was like a belt. Yeah, we got the belt.

SPEAKER_04

Well, this is getting dark. Yeah, well, but let me lighten up the the East Fair Place with concerts with AC. Uncle A. C would come into town and give us little concerts in the living room, and we'd sit around a bunch of I have pictures of cousin. Cousin Christine, Cousin Christmas.

SPEAKER_00

Cousin Christine and Ray. That was one time.

SPEAKER_04

But he would always come in and stay with us when he came to town and would always give us a concert.

SPEAKER_05

And then Tim, Bill Lee, Brad Jenkins had a concert down in our basement. That's right.

SPEAKER_04

Oh wow. Oh, that's right. When they played a Billy Billy Billy who I think Bill Lee. So we charged, I think like a quarter to get in. Or ten. We only knew three songs.

SPEAKER_03

Did you have concert posters and t-shirts?

SPEAKER_04

No, but what we did is we called ourselves Solar System because the local. The only reason was because the local Conico gas station would give away stamps of the solar system. So we collected and we put them on the symbols of Bill's of uh Brad Jenkins drums. And so we called ourselves Solar System. We knew three songs. We did two sets. We did the first set where we sang the songs like House of the Rising Sun and a Creden's Clearwater song and something else. And then all of a sudden, this is what shocked mom because Kim goes, Okay, break time, we have snacks, snacks for sale upstairs. Everyone ran upstairs and we were selling cookies out of the cabinet. Oh, that was an unplanned uh I think it was unplanned because Kim thought, I'm gonna sell cookies. She sold cookies, then we went, everyone went back down and we did set number two, which were the same three songs, but we did them as instrumentals. We didn't sing, we just played them without singing. I think I played the bongos. And we made like that intermission.

SPEAKER_03

Oh, did you?

SPEAKER_05

You probably did entertain us.

SPEAKER_03

Are you are you making that up or are you actually played bongos?

SPEAKER_05

Oh, I think I played the bongos for a little bit, and then I got scared.

SPEAKER_03

God can't that can't be more sixties than you know playing bongos.

SPEAKER_04

And then we made bongos from Mexico. And then we made, I think we made like nine dollars so we could buy drumsticks and guitar strings. Wow.

SPEAKER_03

Wow, you raked it in. Oh, we well, it is a musical family, um, not to digress. So Angus, Uncle AC, uh still on the earth with us, he was a trained Juilliard singer and toured as a folk singer, I remember, more so probably on in the on the Detroit Circle phase at the next house. Um, but he was a professor of music at Ithaca College. Uh his son Shea is a drummer, um, and he is uh drummed with Andre Day, and brother Tim, we've talked about. Uh he pursued his musical career. I had it incorrect at 18. You actually moved to California and were at 20 to be a rock star. And achieved such greatness as touring with the air supply.

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That's a whole other show.

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So we that's why you've got that's why you that's a whole nother show. Uh that's why we've got musical greatness with us today.

SPEAKER_05

Um but one last thing up at Peabody Elementary.

SPEAKER_03

Didn't you get chased?

SPEAKER_05

Well, no, they you got um you guys did the talent show. Oh yeah.

SPEAKER_04

No, what we played is a beer garden. That's right. There was a beer garden that we played at, I think. Or did we do that?

SPEAKER_05

No, you did a talent show up at Peabody, and Brad Jenkins wore his mom's um fur coat. Oh, Jesus. Like a rock star? Right. I do remember that. That's never that story. That's funny.

SPEAKER_03

But it was you remember it was at Peabody.

SPEAKER_05

Peabody Elementary, yeah. For a talent show they had.

SPEAKER_03

Well, didn't okay. Was that the same day you and Jay Milburn got chased by the custodian riding your bikes through the school?

SPEAKER_06

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03

Yeah, Todd got chased by custodians, groundskeepers, all kinds of everybody. So you had two concerts. So you had three concerts. The one in the basement, uh the beer garden.

SPEAKER_04

The beer garden, yeah.

SPEAKER_03

The beer gardens. And uh Peabody. Wow. I don't remember any of those three. Um I do remember watching Whatever Happened to Baby Jane. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01

Oh.

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In the family room, rec room, I think we called it the rec room, down by the garage. And didn't the lights go out, or one of the one of you tried to scare us.

SPEAKER_00

Oh, that's right.

SPEAKER_03

We freaked it out.

SPEAKER_00

We freaked. It was like that was scary. That was a scary, that's a scary movie.

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That's a scary ass movie.

SPEAKER_00

That's starring Betty Davis and Joe Crawford, right? Joe Crawford. Oh my god.

SPEAKER_03

Holy crap. We we back then watched that too.

SPEAKER_05

If you watched it now, it'd probably be like that. What's that talk? If you watched it now, it'd probably be like this isn't scary. This isn't scary. But back then it was like that was it scared the shit out of me. Yes. That the birds and the Texas Chapters.

SPEAKER_00

Oh, the birds. That was another one.

SPEAKER_03

That was that's events well. I think Tippy had it. I do remember um the uh whatever happened to Baby Jane, and now these memories are starting to flood back in. I remember watching Noel and Andy, which was a cartoon show, and she was a puppeteer.

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Yes.

SPEAKER_03

I think her n I can't remember if she was Noel or Annie. She must have been Noel and Andy might have been the two characters, but she drew with the puppet, remember? Am I the only one that remembers Noel and Andy? So after Snow.

SPEAKER_04

I remember Fred and Faye, but not Noel and Andy.

SPEAKER_03

Noel and Andy was a local show.

SPEAKER_04

Okay.

SPEAKER_03

Um, but this is we're so old. This is around the time of black and white, uh George Reeves, Superman, and Mighty Mouse. Um we're fucking old. We're not old.

SPEAKER_04

The saying is we're not old, we've just been around a while.

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We've ex we've got a lot of great experience.

SPEAKER_04

There's a song, I think there was a jump uh that is crazy.

SPEAKER_03

I can I can picture Brad trying to look like one of the Beatles wearing that fur coat.

SPEAKER_04

Well, the other thing we did in the backyard is one day we'd put a we're pricause we had the Baskin Robbins ice cream store, and we would bring home the empty containers and then Brad would use the empty containers of drum and use the wooden dowels from the hangers as his drumsticks.

SPEAKER_02

Right.

SPEAKER_04

Then I had my guitar, and we'd sit out in the backyard with it pretending we had an English accent, pretending to play the beat. Oh, that's what Joel Wells.

SPEAKER_03

A little more bass on that, John. Could you? Oh. Wonderful. Um okay, one last one. Mom and dad were gone, and somehow we wound up with a gray gym mat.

SPEAKER_06

Oh.

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And we used it to slide, we set it up on the stairs, and we slid down the stairs.

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Oh, that's right.

SPEAKER_05

That was Elich's back then.

SPEAKER_03

That was our Elich's. So we didn't have much fun for we didn't have much fundage for activities. So we played with a stick, a box, and a gym back that became our amusement park. You know, long before the pads uh and the phones that entertain kids today.

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Um when the street lights go on, you gotta be home.

SPEAKER_03

We we we made we made our fun. That was more that was more Detroit Circle. Um But yeah, so East Fair Place was the first home we lived in. It was built in '64.

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64.

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Brand new house. I think it was 64. Uh it is now on the market over by Isaac Newton Jr. High.

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And Peabody.

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So we, you know, I did I did catch mom and Bob before they flew off to Vegas for their their nuptials and honeymoon. Um, and we moved into Detroit Circle, uh, where we spent the bulk of our youth living with mom and Bob, uh, both no longer on the earth. Uh miss you both. Um, but I wanted to like try and conjure up the memories of that home by maybe talking about the room, what you remember from each of the rooms, and perhaps a memory. Um Todd, why don't you start?

SPEAKER_05

See the basement.

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The basement. All kinds of things happen down there.

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You got buy one four by eight paneling, get two free, because the whole basement was that paneling. Wood paneling. The wood paneling.

SPEAKER_03

Wood paneling was big in the street.

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So you go yeah, you go down the stairs. Fir first um memory I had is uh Bob's workshop.

SPEAKER_03

Oh yeah.

SPEAKER_05

The lathe, kind of the smell of lathe oil. Yeah, a couple of watchmaker's lathe and just a regular lathe. He had two metal lathes.

SPEAKER_03

Yeah, he had one on the back wall and one freestanding kind of. Yeah. So we had two of the big ones. He had the the watchmaker's lathe. He probably had a wood lathe too. But anyway, go ahead.

SPEAKER_05

I remember remember that, and then um we'd always had a storage closet that we kept our ties um Lincoln logs in and the games, and or or the games were upstairs, but anyway, we had storage there, and then that first room, we had two rooms.

SPEAKER_03

The first room, um two bedrooms. We had a mini, we had a we had kind of a half a Brady bunch when we moved in, right?

SPEAKER_05

Right, because I had um, I think that was Tommy's room to the left. To the left, yeah, and then I think Tim and I shared the that other one.

SPEAKER_03

And um I I distinctly remember the drop-down ceiling and um so just to clarify for the audience, so second marriage for both of them. Tommy was our um new oldest brother.

SPEAKER_05

Oldest brother that was up in CSU.

SPEAKER_03

Yep, he he was up at CSU, but he'd come home for the weekends, so they needed to they had five kids. And you know, so it'd be basically needed six bedrooms. Right. Or share.

SPEAKER_05

So uh remember that, and then um back in the day we had a telephone book, but our telephone book was all the uh phone numbers on the wall. We wrote it on the wall. Right. I remember that with the phone. It was rotary dial, I'm sure. Yeah, rotary one, and then um yeah, that that's what I kind and then we had a bathroom down there and a shower that it worked for about a week and then it just seemed to not work.

SPEAKER_04

Yeah, I mean it worked, but it was it was kind of like the bathroom was they decided we'll fix this later. Yeah. Kind of like a house.

SPEAKER_05

So I I never got a shower.

SPEAKER_04

Well, you had it in the it had it had the groovy wallpaper.

SPEAKER_05

Oh, it did. Oh yeah.

SPEAKER_04

That black and white, it had like black and white. Oh yeah, it had like something out of laugh in.

SPEAKER_05

Yes.

SPEAKER_04

Right. Very mod 60s. Yes, absolutely.

SPEAKER_05

So those are my memories of the basement.

SPEAKER_03

You mentioned the the shavings. I mean, so if you were blind or you would just walk down there and shut your eyes, that you you were overcome with metal oil and shaving.

SPEAKER_05

And the shavings in the in that carpet. And Bob would vac mom would tell Bob to vacuum, he'd vacuum it, but he couldn't get all the shavings up.

SPEAKER_03

Okay, but so and that was kind of in the main area, then the bedrooms were off on that back wall. But uh who can remember the color of the two of the shag carpets in each of the rooms in the house?

SPEAKER_05

Green down, I believe green was brown down in the basement.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah. Mine was orange and yellow.

SPEAKER_04

Yeah, that yours was. Mine was orange. Um I thought they had some green. Was blue the bed?

SPEAKER_00

Was it blue, blue and blue or green was your bedroom?

SPEAKER_03

I I went I went blue-green.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, blue-green.

SPEAKER_03

Kim had orange-yellow.

SPEAKER_00

I had orange yellow.

SPEAKER_03

The the Tommy's room had a yellowish, although that might have been replaced at one time. Um Todd's room, hard to tell because in later years it was kind of uh muted with bong water. Um, there's a little spillage in there. Uh it was a I I don't remember that. I do remember the wood paneling though.

SPEAKER_00

I think their bedroom, didn't it have more of a like indoor-outdoor down there? I don't remember a shag downstairs. A little shag in the bedrooms.

SPEAKER_03

Well, I don't know. Well, they're the the ceiling were um Armstrong ceiling tiles.

SPEAKER_05

Uh with numchuck mix in the top of it.

SPEAKER_03

With numchuck uh marks in the ceiling. There there were a lot of them because that was the height of the Bruce Lee period. That was Tim's Bruce Lee period. He you had your motorcycle period, you had your Bruce Lee period, and the numchucks, yeah, then you went with music and stuck with it.

SPEAKER_05

Yeah, I got a guitar. But then we we'd nick we'd nick that Armstrong tile, and then mom's like, do not do the numchucks upstairs. So one day everybody was gone, and I'm like Num Chucking upstairs, and then think, and then in the living room, there was a little nick. Oh there, oh crap. Whoops. Sorry, no. And I think mom goes, okay, who who's been using the num chucks up here? I don't know.

SPEAKER_03

I well I I t I t I told my kids growing up, you know, parents are detectives, they can just figure stuff, they can figure shit out. Mom immediately from 20 feet away, she could recognize there's a num chuck mark in the ceiling in the in the uh in the upstairs.

SPEAKER_05

And she recognized that I was the best kid to vacuum, so that was my job.

SPEAKER_04

Okay. Yeah, but Todd the vacuumer. That reminds me of the lawn mowing lawn mowing story. As we're this is Detroit Circle, but oh you could you it's okay to go back to East Fairplace. Well, no, no, no, no, this is this is even Detroit Detroit Circle. So I was mowing the lawn starting in grade two, right? It's a little young. Thank you. Grade two seven years old. So seven years old. I was mowing the lawn on Fairplace, then even through Detroit Circle, then finally I got to the point, Mom, I'm I'm going like Todd and Ty are now like middle school almost. Three years older than I was when you child labored me into Yeah, and I go, Mom, don't you think maybe Todd and Ty should start like mowing the lawn? Oh, they're too young. And I'm going like, Mom, don't you don't you remember that you know I started at like seven mowing the lawn? Okay.

SPEAKER_05

Tim, you you take the long circle, take the Van Ness patch, and then Ty, you can have the backyard.

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Yeah.

SPEAKER_03

Did dad get mad at you if you didn't uh mow in a straight line? Well, he was out there watching Drinking a Coors. Okay.

SPEAKER_04

Banquet.

SPEAKER_03

Bancours, Coors Breakway. Goodness.

SPEAKER_06

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03

Alright, so the w the basement. Basement had a lot of well through the years it it changed hands because I uh you lived in there through high school. I don't think I moved down there until I came back on break from college. Um I think I lived for a period of time. But anyway, all of us lived at one point in the in the in the num Chuck uh ceiling room. Um Kim, you you can pick a room.

SPEAKER_00

So my room pick a room, any room. Pick a room, any room. Family room. So the family room had, as Todd described, going down the stairs, the wood paneling was everywhere.

SPEAKER_02

Wood paneling everywhere.

SPEAKER_00

Wood paneling in the the entryway. You went into the family room, wood paneling, um, brick wall, fireplace. Beautiful fireplace. It was a great fireplace, like a real fireplace, not a gas.

SPEAKER_03

So brick below, mantle.

SPEAKER_00

Wood panel above mantel and then wood panel above.

SPEAKER_03

Got it.

SPEAKER_00

Good look. And then it was great. And then on the right side was bookshelves with books and knick-knacks, lots of knick-knacks.

SPEAKER_03

Although the shelf was rarely touched or used.

SPEAKER_00

It was just kind of like it wasn't like you'd go and grab a book and start reading. I mean, it was just for show almost. Yeah. Kind of. And then um a really wobbly TV cart that would like you try and move it, and the big box TV would probably fall over. Wasn't stabilized at all, like you know.

SPEAKER_03

But didn't we have the the the old school traditional console TV? I was in the living room. In the living room, yes. That would be similar to the at least a two-television household.

SPEAKER_00

Two two television. Big huge and then like uh and then the plaid couch. Imagine this rust, green, blue, gold, plaid with a skirt at the bottom. Matching pillows.

SPEAKER_03

Did they did they get that early on? Because we sold that in mom's estate sale.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, because mom had it in the basement. Several plaid ones. She had it in the basement of her new on Tory.

SPEAKER_03

No, I know that. But did she did they buy that straight away? We had that at Detroit Circle.

SPEAKER_00

Early on pictures.

SPEAKER_03

That's true. I mean, we've got pictures.

SPEAKER_00

And then um then we had a bench over still in the family room, but that's where we would all sit. Tim, Kim, Todd Tai for meals. Which was weird. We had a dining room table, but we sat at the we always we always ate in the family room. Right.

SPEAKER_03

And there was this concept called a TV tray.

SPEAKER_00

Right, mom and Bob.

SPEAKER_03

Remember those? Yeah. Oh yeah.

SPEAKER_00

Oh yeah.

SPEAKER_03

I don't know that they make them anymore, or or that's a thing.

SPEAKER_05

So the dining room is more for eating Thanksgiving and like formal meals.

SPEAKER_03

But the TV tray, just to clarify for our younger viewers, um if you were happened to open a Swanson's uh Hungry Man dinner, uh this TV tray was, I don't know, a couple feet by eight, twenty inches, and it would fold out into a little table.

SPEAKER_00

A little table in front of me.

SPEAKER_03

And you would watch TV while you were eating dinner. So I think yes, we ate at the bench and we ate we ate on TV trays.

SPEAKER_00

So I have a story about so one of the things on the wall, the mantle, was a barometer. There was a barometer up there, and Bob was a pilot, so he was also a weatherman because he'd have to watch for storms, that kind of thing, you know, flying. And so I remember one time when he looked he was looking at that barometer, and it was a Sunday, and I was gonna go back to school up at Greeley. I was home for the weekend, and he looked at that and said, There is a storm coming in. And I went to the front window and I looked outside and I said, I don't see anything. And he said, Kim, there's a storm coming in. I'm like, but I don't see there's it's it's blue skies. So I took off, didn't listen to him. I got part way up 285 going to Greeley. I got I couldn't see the hood of my car.

SPEAKER_04

Because there was a storm? There was a storm.

SPEAKER_00

Frost, frost on the inside of the windows. Was that yellow mustang? The yellow mustang, frost on the inside of the windows, I could not see the hood of the car. I tra I followed some trucker all the way up to Greeley. Took me like like five hours to get to Greeley. And so from then on, if Bob said there's a storm coming in, sure.

SPEAKER_03

I believed him. I listened. Wow, that's well, and uh that was like a 72 Mustang. What do you what do you think that year of that Mustang?

SPEAKER_00

No, it was a 69.

SPEAKER_03

69, okay. It was within three years.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03

Not it.

SPEAKER_00

Oh no.

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Right.

SPEAKER_00

And that was like 78, 79 when I was going to school. Right. Up at Greeley.

SPEAKER_04

So we still had that car back. That's when you had to put sandbags in the trunk of your car.

SPEAKER_00

I don't remember that, but yes, that probably would have helped. For attraction. But it was scary.

SPEAKER_03

One of us got in a car wreck in that Mustang.

SPEAKER_00

We wrecked my car.

SPEAKER_03

Totaled it. God, that was a beautiful car. The car was never the same after that accident. Um well, those are some good uh I think I had that. What what what TV show first pops in your head of that family room? The We had our favorites.

SPEAKER_00

What was the Saturday night um Lawrence Welk? Bob Lawrence Welk. That was a staple. Bob and Hee Hawkswag. And yeah, that was a staple. I loved Hee-haw.

SPEAKER_03

I wasn't a fan of the Hee-Haw, but the Hee-Haw.

SPEAKER_00

The Hee-Haw.

SPEAKER_03

I was a Carol, I was a Carol Burnett guy.

SPEAKER_00

Carol Burnett.

SPEAKER_03

Own the family, Sanford, but you had the slew of all those great, well, we thought they were great at the time. Um you had Kojak and Columbo and Right. All in the Family and Mannix, yeah.

SPEAKER_04

Six million dollar man.

SPEAKER_00

Six six million dollar man.

SPEAKER_03

They also they also they also had bef long before Tom Cruise and Mission Impossible, there was a television show called Mission Impossible. And Man Peter Modes.

SPEAKER_05

Morris.

SPEAKER_00

Peggy Lipton was the last one.

SPEAKER_04

Oh, that was the three that was those three uh detectives. Mod Squad. Mod Squad.

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God.

SPEAKER_03

We're not old, we've just been around a while. Yeah, not old. We're television historians. God, those are some good family room ones. Anything else, Kim, before we move on?

SPEAKER_02

No. Okay. I think we can move on to Tim.

SPEAKER_03

Tim, do you want to radio? Living room.

SPEAKER_00

Okay.

SPEAKER_03

That was the room that do they still call those room rooms family room, living room?

SPEAKER_00

I think they're more like great rooms.

SPEAKER_03

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02

Why do they call it a living room? Why is it a living room? Because we live there. Well, I guess most of the people are living. Why would it be a living room? Why is it not the experience room or the television room? It was a room that you just Why is it the TV tray room?

SPEAKER_04

That was a room you you you would you would kind of rarely go into. Right. Because it had the the nicer furniture. Nicer fur the nicer short of, I mean, I I'm glad that mom didn't have plastic over that furniture. Like there was a trend during that time where people put plastic over their furniture to save it for when company came, you know. And so company ran on the we had the console TV, we had the couch the blue couch kind of like it looked almost like velvet or something kind of couch.

SPEAKER_03

And but I remember the wall mount thing with whatever fake version of velvet was, that's what it was.

SPEAKER_04

It was. It was it was a Montgomery Ward velvet blue velvet. Blue velvet chair or whatever. And then they had the wall unit in the back with it was kind of semi-modern for the time.

SPEAKER_02

It was mid well today, mid-century modern definition.

SPEAKER_04

Bob's albums. Marty Robbins and Chet Atkins. Eddie Arnold Cash. Um things like that. And then uh but the TV was we saved that T that TV was reserved for like special TV nights. For some reason. Right. Like special movies we'd go like, let's watch this in the living room. You know. So those were just like we didn't watch Kojak in there, but there was there was one particular show that we would watch. Oh sure. I don't know. Could have been.

SPEAKER_03

What show was that?

SPEAKER_04

Well, we'd watch like Disney's Wonderful World of Disney there. That was what I guess.

SPEAKER_00

Sunday night. Sunday night.

SPEAKER_04

But there was one show in particular that we loved, and this I'll never for this is my favorite story of that living room, is we were watching Night Stalker. We love that show. And it was a weekly show about that was a scary. This guy's hunted vampires. Right, and and we're all sitting on the couch, and Todd was laying on the floor next to the couch. And part of the thing, especially all of us, but definitely Todd and I together, because we lived together in the same, we we shared a bedroom, we would each, every night we'd try to scare each other, like wait for the other one to fall asleep, thinking the other one's asleep, and we'd like, I'd like to get out of bed really quiet. I'd like to go try to we try to scare each other was kind of our thing. So we're watching the Night Stalker, and I'm waiting for I'm going like there's a scene where the guy's walking up the stairs looking for the vampire, and I'm going like, this is this is gonna be a moment to scare my brother. So I'm like got my hand, he's laying on the floor, I'm on the couch, and I'm watching TV, waiting for that moment. You're timing it. I'm timing it out to like scare the shit out of him. And all of a sudden, the moment comes, he turns a corner and he steps on a light bulb, and right then I go, I grab him, I grab his leg, and I swear to God, he he he was like a cat. He went straight up and landed on the couch.

SPEAKER_03

Yes. He's right over that. He was so scared. This is where you during the sound effect of Mike.

SPEAKER_04

It was the funniest thing because it was like boom. We couldn't pause the show because you can't do that.

SPEAKER_00

You couldn't do that back then. You just had to keep watching.

SPEAKER_03

Well, the VCR hadn't been invented.

SPEAKER_05

I think that was a TV where you had to roll it open. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03

Yeah, probably. Well, yeah, it was a special TV. Console TV. Um Wonderful World of Disney was what popped in my head of like the special thing. Notre Dame football games or football games. Well, there were some football games in the family room too, but maybe um holidays like watching Wizard of Oz was always on life, was always on Easter, and like Chitty Chitty Bang Bang. Yes. You know, movies, movies of that ilk of that era we would watch in that. Sound of music. Sound of music? We would have gone to the nice TV to watch.

SPEAKER_04

Oh, absolutely.

SPEAKER_03

I think that's this the same TV where we hooked up the first Pong game. Atari.

SPEAKER_05

Atari Pong. Was it Atari? Yeah. Atari Pong.

SPEAKER_04

That was a fun game, actually.

SPEAKER_06

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03

Um it was it was it was funny that we found it to be fun because it's basically a couple of litig, you know, it was a square, and they were all the same game, basically. There was hockey, there was ping pong, tennis, yeah, tennis. You know, but it it was just basically very block architecture, but it got faster. Yeah, it sped up. It sped up. Yeah. We just thought that was insane, insane technology.

SPEAKER_05

We got it from Christmas, right?

SPEAKER_03

We did. I remember the Costello's. What did you get from the Costello?

SPEAKER_05

The Atari game.

SPEAKER_03

The Costellos got the first one, but they had to put acetate on the TV screen depending on what game it was. So the the computer blip would would move around, but you would have these film or acetate things that you stuck to the screen. That's funny. Kim Kim's looking at me like I'm making this up. Um no, they had the acetate version. We we actually had the version with that that didn't require the acetate film.

SPEAKER_00

So it'd be like a background, so it was like a it wasn't a background, but it was like it was like where's where's well there's not much to the game.

SPEAKER_03

There's the net, right? You know, and then in hockey you had the the two the two areas where you'd score a goal. Um but yeah, and your controller was just a knob, wasn't it? Right. Yeah.

SPEAKER_05

You would knob it up.

SPEAKER_03

There was no R1, R2, L2, uh, you know, Circle Square Diamond PlayStation buttons. Um so yeah, the the very first uh yeah, so that was in the good room. The living room. Um so yes, there were Marty Robbins albums. Years later, though, there would be um Barbara Streisand and Kenny Rogers, Stigwood's um Saturday Night Fever. Saturday. Nil Diamond. No, was it Saturday Fever or what's the no the uh the iSchool one? Grease. Grease. Soundtrack. I remember that album being in that albums. Um God, you guys are doing a great job at this.

SPEAKER_02

Thanks.

SPEAKER_03

Um God, I I'm not sure I can match it. I'll I'll try and cover kitchen. Um It uh there, I can't remember to define the color of wood. There were very basic kitchen cabinets, very few kitchen cabinets because my wife happens to own Origin Design Studios. So if you're in Denver looking for a new kitchen or bath, please go to origindesign.studio. Um the kitchen cabinets were very basic. There was linoleum counters. I think it was white linoleum with the gold specks.

SPEAKER_01

Right.

SPEAKER_03

The appliances, I I want to say the uh the stove was like cocoa brown with shades of darker like black. Um and a lot of time in there. Um you can think of holidays, you can think of just daily meals. Um, but the controversy was when mom wanted to buy this new fangled thing called a microwave oven.

SPEAKER_00

Yes.

SPEAKER_03

Do you remember that?

SPEAKER_00

Yes.

SPEAKER_03

Oh, I don't know how long it took her to convince Bob um to buy this newfangled thing called a microwave oven.

SPEAKER_05

Hashtag we're old. Bob put everything in the toaster oven.

SPEAKER_03

Well, he did use that toaster oven a lot. Yeah. Um, but he he for some reason was hesitant to buy the microwave oven. But as soon as that thing arrived, of course it's the size of a It's bigger than a bread box. It's way bigger than a bread box. I mean, it's it's a small oven. I mean it it took up a lot of real estate. To the left of the fridge, right? It was the left of the fridge. Above that was the liquor cabinet. So Todd probably knew where that was.

SPEAKER_05

Oh, I knew where that one was and then the one in the dining room. The dining room room. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03

Did you ever pretty obvious? Did what was in that one was a an ice box, which is actually downstairs.

SPEAKER_05

Right.

SPEAKER_03

Did you ever do the trick where you you poured out the alcohol and replaced it with water?

SPEAKER_05

No, I never did that one.

SPEAKER_03

Okay, he's he's I'm seeing all kinds of lying. Uh um, yeah, so the microwave oven was below the the cocktail glasses. So the liquor was actually in the liquor cabinet in the dining room. Um you know, but the uh the the microwave was a controversy. Uh Bob was a very calm man. He would get upset over kind of weird or little things. I remember wanting I was hungry, so I heated up the the big oven for some apple pop tarts. And I got in all kinds of trouble because I he used that much energy and electricity to you know heat up one one Pop Tart. Um but then he was calm in the biggest of crises, right?

SPEAKER_00

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03

Um Bob was a our stepfather, a great man. Um example being it's don't know what night it is, it doesn't matter. Phone rings, mom and Bob are asleep, and the police say we've got tied down here at King Supers. They got caught underage driving, you need to come pick him up. Bob Bob Bob they said Ty. Bob, of course, thought it was Todd because Todd was always in trouble. Bob hangs up the phone, he says, he's like, What? I've got to go down and pick, I've got Marlene to go down and pick up Todd. He's at the King Supers, you know, where he stole the Long Johns, and he got you know caught for underage driving. And and mom, kind of half awake, she's like, that Todd, no, Todd's Todd's home. So the one night of the year, Todd was actually home. She goes downstairs, and there's Todd, you know, with little snoring and happy, sleepy dreams, and little tweety birds flying over his head, very calm and sleeping like a little lamb. Uh, it was me. And I I went joy riding with Tony McCurdy, and all we did was just drive around his mom's station wagon, but uh she actually gave us permission. So I think she actually got in trouble.

SPEAKER_04

Um yeah, because did he have a driver's license?

SPEAKER_03

No, we were fifty we were both 15. Well.

SPEAKER_04

Bad mom.

SPEAKER_03

They ranted her out. Yeah, mom less. Well, yeah, the uh I'm pretty sure she's not a listener of the podcast, nor is Tony, but I will tell the story that she years later got caught sleeping with one of Tony's friends. And I got some weird vibes from her because one year at Christmas she came by and dropped off this big Christmas present for me from her. And even mom Spidey Sense went off like, were you trying to pull a Mrs. Robinson here or what?

SPEAKER_04

What was the gift?

SPEAKER_03

It was clothes or something.

SPEAKER_04

Sexy underwear?

SPEAKER_03

No, it was clothes or it was clothes or something, but yeah, beetle underwear. Tony, Tony McCurdy's mom, I I had my Mrs. Robinson opportunity and missed. Swing in the miss. So that was the the kitchen. Um, of course, a lot of German pancakes. We had German pancakes this morning at OHOP uh because we all took home economics at Isaac Newton Jr.

SPEAKER_00

High and learned how to make learned how to make German pancakes.

SPEAKER_03

But it was also a gathering spot. I mean, I I we can go back and look at pictures. We would gather for pictures in in the kitchen. Old girlfriends, first wives, first husbands against the fireplace, the mantle. Well, there was that was that was the more traditional formal photo. You know, the the kitchen setting was is was more informal. Um well we are we are clipping along. Um real quickly, I I want one of you to tell a movie memory, and I I want to end with a fan favorite around here, and that is movie quotes. Um Kim, I'm gonna skip over you because we talked about that in the last episode. Um Tim, I think you had one.

SPEAKER_04

Movie memory with mom. Well, there was a Mom loved the movies. I may or may not have been there, but you go over there. And I can't remember who was there, but I remember going to the movie, you know, Mom. Back then there was a lot of movies that because the 70s were interesting for movies because it kind of shifted from the it got into this really pretty edgy, very gritty you know, v extra violence, extra sex in the in the in the movies, like shaft like probably yeah, so it was really Get Chrissy Love. Yeah, get Chrissy Love.

SPEAKER_03

All kinds of well the I think they've got a term for that. It's black exploitation.

SPEAKER_04

Black exploitation, yeah. Yeah. And uh so so there was a movie that always kind of about, you know, uh the Civil War and history and Native Americans and called Soldier Blue. And so she said, Let's just bring the Soldier Blue, and all of a sudden it was the most violent movie. We're you know, we're young watching this, and there were some movies. We were in grade school. We're grade school you were in grade school, I was probably middle school watching this movie. You know, we're going, Oh my god, I can't and it's basically their you know I don't even want to get into the detail because it was so graphic, but it was just one of those super violent graphic m drive-in movies that you wouldn't go see with your mom.

SPEAKER_03

Or dad found out he was furious.

SPEAKER_04

Oh yeah. Oh yeah, he was which was funny to th that he would be furious over that, but he didn't want us going to movies either.

SPEAKER_03

Right, well yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_04

That that came later. But that was my uh it was at the South Drive, I think South Was that the South Drive In?

SPEAKER_05

Was that kind of Willmare and um Bellevue.

SPEAKER_03

I love the South Drive In.

SPEAKER_04

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03

What was your I'm sorry, were you done with some of the things?

SPEAKER_04

I'm done, yeah. So I yeah, just it was just but I think one of them that just stood out as like pretty uh Well I I we with mom.

SPEAKER_03

We had it was either last episode or the one before where I mispronounce a word and it should have been TED Talk, but it came out as something else. So we got an explicit rating for that particular episode, which I'm trying to veto because w we we do have some four-letter words, but um uh we'll we'll try and refrain. But what I remember from that was we're in the station wagon and one of these like brew I think it was a political statement around you know the uh you know massacre and mistreatment of Native American Indians. Um because it was it was over the top violent. Because I watched it like like six months ago, um and um it's still very violent. Yeah, mom took us to some to some edgy movies. We talked about it earlier this week. Um because Tim uh thank you for coming to town. It's been great because we've got the four from East Fair Place and uh Detroit Circle um reliving a lot of memories. We talked about that movie, and I I I also remembered Little Big Man because that's kind of the same era. Higher caliber movie, by the way, with Dustin Hoffman.

SPEAKER_06

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03

He gets uh his family is doing the you know the wagon trail and they get massacred by Indians. He and his sister survive, and he winds up going back and forth between living as an Indian and then you know um living it living as a white man. Fate Dunaways in the movie. Um but it was probably that was probably another one we got in trouble.

SPEAKER_04

That'd be a fun one to watch, I guess.

SPEAKER_03

That's a great movie. Yeah, Little Big Man. Um Kim, go ahead. I know you want to tell your movie story. We c I don't I don't want to cut you short.

SPEAKER_00

This will be short. It'll be short.

SPEAKER_03

Okay.

SPEAKER_00

So this was, I think it was for one of our family reunions when all of the cousins were out and all the girls decided to go see Magic Mike.

SPEAKER_03

Years later.

SPEAKER_00

This is years later. This is maybe 10, 15. Decades later from Little Big Man. Little Big Man. But anyway, about I don't know, three, four minutes into the movie, mom turned to me and said, I thought this was about a magician. And of course, Magic Mike is about the whole row of girls, it was like Nikki and Adri and Ma, I think Maya, Renata, my cousin Renata, maybe Alyssa. I don't know how many of us were in this huge long row, and we just burst into laughter. But so we gave mom a hard time about magic mic. And so later on, she never lived that down. Later on, Renata, her good friend Kristen, Kirsten, and I, when we went to Vegas to see Bruno Mars, we went to the Magic Mike show in Vegas.

SPEAKER_03

And I'll say Was it about a magician?

SPEAKER_00

No, it was not.

SPEAKER_04

Oh, it was a magic show. It was a magic show, right?

SPEAKER_03

Now you see it, now you there was something, there's something magic going on in Vegas.

SPEAKER_00

Something magic going on in Vegas.

SPEAKER_03

Oh, Mom. Mom was a good sport.

SPEAKER_00

She was a good sport.

SPEAKER_03

Um we we couldn't have had a better great sense of humor. But we've had uh it's been great spending time with the siblings um because Tim lives in California. It's it's hard for our you know us to get together, but it's always great when we do, and uh so happy to have you the three of you joining me on this podcast. Uh but we're gonna end on a funny and high note. It's one of my favorites uh of the Butterfly Pavilion podcast, and that is movie quotes. So I will ask you to hold your answer so this is there is no buzzer beater uh in here because it ruins the the the acting uh uh effect of going.

SPEAKER_04

You want to do the whole thing.

SPEAKER_03

Let me get through the quote. I've got two movies, two quotes. Okay, and at the end, then you can blurt out your answer. Um big man. You're incorrect, sir. That was a Johnny Carson reference.

SPEAKER_01

Oh my god! I'm back and I'm home all the time. It was we finally really did it, you mayx! You blew it up! Ah, get him you to God! Get him you all to hell.

SPEAKER_03

I'll give you a clue. Little big man. I'll give you a clue. It's not little big man. The actor's name was Charlton Heston. Right. Oh, Soil and Green. No?

SPEAKER_00

Ben Hur.

SPEAKER_03

He blew it up? You blew it all to hell? No.

SPEAKER_04

Oh.

SPEAKER_03

Planet of the Apes. Planet of the Apes.

SPEAKER_06

Oh.

SPEAKER_03

It's the famous scene on the beach where he realizes the Statue of Liberty was. He realizes he was on Earth the whole time. And God bless mom, she took me to every Planet of the Ape movie. Yes.

SPEAKER_02

Oh, yeah.

SPEAKER_03

The second one was pretty good, but it went downhill from three through seven. But she took me to all of them.

SPEAKER_04

That first one was that was a fun movie. Oh yeah. Kind of a good one.

SPEAKER_03

Yeah. Well, and the the makeup, etc., was amazing. Um, okay, second movie, nothing to do with Little Bag man Big Man. Little Bag Soldier and Little Bag. Or Little Bagman or Little Big Man or Soldier Blue. We have not discussed this movie thus far. There are two characters in the scene.

SPEAKER_02

Is it safe? Is it safe? Is it safe?

SPEAKER_03

Is it safe? I don't know what you mean. I can't tell if something's safe or not unless I specifically know what you're talking about. Is it safe? Tell me what it refers to. Is it safe? It's safe. It's very safe. It's so safe you wouldn't believe it. Is it safe? It's not safe. It's very dangerous. Be careful.

SPEAKER_04

Is it Marathon Man?

SPEAKER_03

You are correct, sir. That's what's Christian Snell from the Marathon Man, one of my favorite movies long before I decided to run Marathons. He uh his character, Roy Scheiders is older brother, he's like some kind of CAA guy, and Dustin Hoffman is a student and a runner. There's great scenes of early in the movie and the end of the movie, him running Central Park. Yeah. And flashbacks to, I think it was like the 68 Olympics, um, um in that. Um and Lawrence Olivier.

SPEAKER_04

Lawrence, yeah.

SPEAKER_03

Of course, was Christian Zell. He he he was uh some kind of Nazi that had diamonds hidden somewhere.

SPEAKER_04

But that's a great movie.

SPEAKER_03

I love that. I love that movie. That is a good movie.

SPEAKER_04

That's another movie. We got a lot of movies to watch tonight.

SPEAKER_03

We're gonna watch tonight. So uh thank you for indulging us uh walking along uh a little bit of history and getting to know my siblings. They're a huge important part of my support system as I go through my cancer journey, and and as we say on the butterfly pavilion, we try and find light in darkness. Um and there's been a lot of light this weekend. So been a lot of laughs, and um Todd got to go to see America, see Tim go up on stage, good food, uh, lots of laughs. So uh until next time, this is Ty from Seeking Boston and the Butterfly Pavilion Podcast.

SPEAKER_04

Can I can I add one last thing? Yes, Tim, of course, because I I I know that was a beautiful ending, so I feel like I don't want to but but this gathering right here, and with us all getting together all the time and the love, you know, we we're all different, we all have our different, you know, w we're down different paths, we're down different things, but the one thing we do is we and this is to honor our mom, you know, every time because she's not here is that's what she did for us. Is I always think of my mom as like she always wanted to make sure that we all would stay together and be together as a family, and that was so important to her family. And no matter arguments or things, we always would find a way to go like love each other and get over for holidays. And get together and be together and be together. And and I that's a one gift, one of many gifts I think our mom gave to all of us. And uh Mom and Marlene. And as we're here, you know, supporting our brother Ty, you know it's uh through all this. Is you know, we're just grateful for I'm grateful for my brothers and my sister and my mom. Yeah, our mom. Well my mom. My mom. My mom. No, it's a favorite.

SPEAKER_03

Well, okay, well, then let's just take a poll. Raise your hand if mom took you on a trip by yourself. Okay, well, I guess that's I guess you'll have to watch the YouTube version to find the final answer. Um anything to add to that? I sorry, I cut straight to the close and I didn't give you an opportunity to say goodbye or no, other than mom, you know, like Tim said, she she was always uh wanting to get everybody together, have a good time.

SPEAKER_05

You know, 4th of July, it all all holidays wanted to get everybody together and just have a meal together and laugh. And I think um I mean we got her sense of humor from uh from dad, but I think a lot of it came from mom. Mom had she did have a good sense of humor. She had a good sense of humor and she could laugh at herself and but yeah, I do appreciate all of us getting together and we always it's not like we ever it time escapes us. We're always it's always the same.

SPEAKER_03

Right. Well, I guess to tie it all together one one last time. I I spoke about Suleika Juad's book, Between Two Kingdoms, in the last podcast. I I did wind up finishing it. I I can't speak highly enough about that book for someone either going through cancer or close to someone going through cancer, or especially a caregiver going through cancer. Um because just the family unit was so important to her and important to me in going through this journey. And the mental game is a huge part of a cancer battle and journey, and uh you need that support infrastructure. So I'm surrounded with a lot of love and uh feeling it today. Um so for the second time, uh goodbye and good luck. Uh thank you for joining Ty and siblings from the Butterfly Pavilion Podcast.