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The Butterfly Pavilion Podcast
Finding Light in Darkness
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Nikki returns to the studios of The Butterfly Pavilion Podcast this month with a LOT to catch up on including an update on Ty's cancer and clinical trial. We talk about a new segment related to our recurring theme, "finding light in darkness" with what's brought light to us lately. And of course, our favorite segment; movie quotes return with Ty trying to stump daughter Nikki.
The Butterfly Pavilion Podcast follows the journey of a father with metastasized stage IV prostate cancer and his daughter. Wanting to capture stories and maximize his time with his daughter was the genesis of the show.
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We are, we are.
SPEAKER_02And I'm Nikki Godwin.
SPEAKER_00And I am Ty Godwin. And welcome to the Butterfly Pavilion Podcast. Also known as Not Quite an Hour of Ginger Power.
SPEAKER_02Holla.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, because the ginger's in the house.
SPEAKER_02I was gonna ask you, does my hair like look a little darker to you? Can you tell?
SPEAKER_00Well, inside it does the bottom looks dark, the up the upper part looks light, lighter.
SPEAKER_02Well, I did do a hair glaze. It's a hair glaze for natural red heads to like bring out the natural color. We'll see. So I I've been experimenting, but my hair does look a little more gingery today.
SPEAKER_00Put it on the list of things I've never done. Hair glaze.
SPEAKER_02I don't think it's uh catered to men. Not to say you couldn't do it. We could try it.
SPEAKER_00I love glazed donuts.
SPEAKER_02Well, I also love glazed donuts. I a glaze is good all around.
SPEAKER_00God, we hit Homer Simpson. We got we can check that off the bucket list. Uh remember to like and subscribe. Uh Nikki, where can you find us on social of the media?
SPEAKER_02Social of the media. That's a new one.
SPEAKER_00Well, it's it's a play on Grandma Marlene because she called everything the Facebook, the Instagram. We've got to be.
SPEAKER_02Well, you can find us on the Instagram, TikTok, and YouTube at Butterfly Pavilion Pod. So check us out there if you want to keep up with what we've uh been up.
SPEAKER_00There's more frequent updates, there's occasional jocularity and funny videos, but uh we've been we've both been busy.
SPEAKER_02It's been a really busy summer.
SPEAKER_00It has. Summer, summer, summer, summer. Summer time, summer time. I don't know what summer song I'm singing. Uh I think there's a there's like a Grease. Summer summer summer. I don't not quite sure how that's oh, I think you're you're right.
SPEAKER_02I I could not recite that. Right, but we haven't seen Greece in a while.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, but um it it has been a crazy like melt your face off hot here in Denver this summer. We had that string, that one week where it's like a hundred, hundred and two, hundred and five, like all week long.
SPEAKER_02It almost feels like our climate is transforming into Arizona a little bit, which is kind of scary. Um, but I I sound old because I'm like, well, back in my day, when we're talking about the weather. No, yeah. I talk about the weather to strangers, to friends all the time. It's not normal. Um, global warming is a thing. Um, so it has been god-awful hot.
SPEAKER_00So I on that note, we had a respite in the mountains uh this week, which which was amazing. But I was talking to a woman that lived up there, and I was doing my usual progressive dad commercial. There's a lot of that, yeah. Striking up conversations with random people, and and I asked her, well, what was so how's your summer? And summer, she said, has been great personally and as far as their retail. Uh the winter, though, it was the worst snow they had, and she said, if they have another winter like that, the Colorado ski season won't be able to survive it. The hills were so warm, the hills remained warm enough to melt the snow when it landed.
SPEAKER_02Oh no, I I haven't skied and snowboard or snowboarded in a really long time, but I've been talking about wanting to get back into it. But all of my friends that are super into skiing and snowboarding last year, like it was a horrible winter. Like people didn't even get their money's worth, um, which is really sad. But I speaking of weather, I do think it's supposed to be a El Nino winter.
SPEAKER_00I'm not Nino, okay.
SPEAKER_02I don't know if that's right. It's something like it's supposed to be like a really bad and heavy winter, and I'm kind of hoping that that is true because I need fall, I need the snow, like I'm I'm a vampire like you. I don't really like to go out into the sun, and if I do, it's like needs to be 75 degrees, not 95 or 100.
SPEAKER_00Right. Yeah, well, and part of my cancer medication gives me hot flashes, so hot flashes in a hundred-degree dry heat is just absolutely miserable.
SPEAKER_03Not good.
SPEAKER_00Um, but yeah, we're hoping for for more snow. I I I always throw out a number. I it felt like it only snowed like twice in Denver this last year.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, it felt sorry, I I fact checked myself. It is called El Nino.
SPEAKER_00El Nino.
SPEAKER_02According to Google AI overview. Um it's projected for the upcoming winter, which tilts the odds towards a more active, wetter s wetter southern storm track. And for Colorado, this typically favors increased moisture and higher snow potential for southern mountains and parts of the front range. So send in good vibes for El Nino because I would love to get back into skiing.
SPEAKER_00I well, and you know, uh for Colorado and you know those that partake, uh, we'd love some, we'd definitely love snow in the mountains. Definitely um, but it was it was a but it it it yeah, it's been a hot summer, but we're gonna we're gonna talk a little bit more about this summer in a new segment we call Finding Light and Darkness, uh, which has really become our tagline because uh not quite an hour of ginger power didn't quite fly with the marketing people, uh although I still use it. But uh people meaning me. I talk a lot about and Franzi. Um I talk a lot about finding light and darkness, uh a lot in in my socials and on uh Butterfly Pavilion's socials. But we're gonna we're gonna have a segment on that.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, and we also before I know we're gonna talk more about it, but even you and I, when we're casually talking, you know, not on social media or not on podcast, we weave in finding light and darkness in our day-to-day conversations too. So it really has become a part of our outlook um on life.
SPEAKER_00Exactly.
SPEAKER_02Excited to stuck to dive into that.
SPEAKER_00So we will talk about that, but um, before we go there, uh what we love to talk about is fan mail. Time for the fan mail jingle.
SPEAKER_01Fan mail, fan mail. Can't wait for our fan mail. Fan mail.
SPEAKER_00Oh yeah, I love that. Uh thanks to Uncle Tim again for the fan mail jingle. Um a couple of a couple of uh I'm gonna skip over the negative one. I I had I had a few negatives uh on social media on my interview with Emily Mendenhall, uh, author of Invisible Illness, uh History from Hysteria to Lung COVID. Uh she interviewed me for the book. So I'm in the book. I'm not gonna not interview Emily. Sure. So start there. That you know, I'm gonna interview her because I'm you know, I got to know her over a couple of years of her writing this book, and I'm in the book.
SPEAKER_02Um and oh you're gonna say I I was because I'm really defensive over my dad. So nobody on the internet be mean to my dad, or I will come for you. But we're not even going to address the negative commentary because we're gonna wash ourselves with the negative. It's not worth our time. You're not worth our time, and again, don't be mean to my dad. You're got a fistful sandwich coming your way.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, don't don't kick the the cane out from under tiny Tim.
SPEAKER_02Kick rocks.
SPEAKER_00Um no, but uh I I just want to acknowledge that I I I got some great feedback. I did get some negative feedback. She did take a historical view because she talks about hysteria. Do you know where the word hist h hysteria comes from?
SPEAKER_02I I feel like I learned this in my history class back in gosh, 2008, but doesn't it come from like the 50s or something?
SPEAKER_00Well, the 50s, but even further back from that, but it is it is tied to uh loosely tied to hysterectomy. Because they used to do hysterectomies because they thought women were hysterical. My God, yeah. Um that happened.
SPEAKER_02I it's coming back to me. The the definition is uh is a making sense. Um I'm not gonna try and uh use that word.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, but so she she's an anthropologist. Uh so start. Is her book called again at the um Invisible Illness.
SPEAKER_03Invisible Illness is the book.
SPEAKER_00From uh history from hysteria to long COVID. So the whole book, or half the book is history. So it talks about points in history and people that minimized illness.
SPEAKER_02Um is it across like other pandemics as well?
SPEAKER_00It does, it does.
SPEAKER_02Just illness and illness in general, too.
SPEAKER_00Um both. Okay. So I mean, she goes back to the Spanish flu, which was a hundred years ago, which there's a lot of similarities between between that and COVID. Yeah, absolutely. Um, but she also you know she speaks to a wide swath of people. She speaks to a ton of patients like me, and I know her personally, and I know her engagement with me was very much about patient advocacy. I do believe the book uh does uh approach from a long COVID patient advocacy. She does quote people about pace trials and things like great at exercise therapy, which I tried did not work. In fact, I regressed on doing that. Um, so anyway, lighten up on Emily. I mean, she wants feedback, I want feedback. I did address the the the controversy head on, so I gave her the opportunity to say, hey, you know, what what's with all this negative stuff? Um I I happen to like the book. Um I happen to think uh very highly of Emily. Um but a couple of uh other fan mails. So we won't won't read The Angry Guys Amy.
SPEAKER_03Um skip over that skip over that.
SPEAKER_00Joe writes, uh, just listen to season two, episode five. You and Nikki are amazing. I'd have to agree on the second part. I appreciate the cancer talk and how uncomfortable it can be. While difficult to find the right words sometimes, your casual approach makes this better for everyone. You guys are the best. Um that's so sweet. That is that is uh from my friend Joe, and I appreciate that, Joe. Yeah. Anyway, Irma writes only two episodes so far, and I'm hooked. I love, love, love the banter between between father and daughter. I can't wait to listen to more episodes as this continues. Thank you for giving us the opportunity to tune in your conversations. May God continue to bless you with more time together. Oh awesome, Irma. So thank you.
SPEAKER_02That's really sweet, Irma. Thank you so much. Thanks for listening.
SPEAKER_00That is great, fan mail.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, I love that. Um, no, all of those comments were super wholesome. Um, I think something that I talk about when people ask about the podcast is it just feels good to kind of normalize talking about cancer and illness and uh caregiving and bringing that into kind of reducing that stigma um and bringing it into conversations. And you know, that that's how we as a family really um we deal with it. We we talk about it quite a lot. Obviously, it's our you know, it consumes a lot of our day-to-day, but we acknowledge that and want to make it positive.
SPEAKER_00Right, right. You know, I had a conversation with someone close to me recently, and um she said that um she didn't want to ask about cancer or bring up cancer because she didn't want to bring up. She didn't want to, you know, dwell on a bad topic or yeah, yeah, or upset me or make me sad. And I'm like, yeah, I think I might write a Substack post about this because uh, you know, it uh we we cover how to talk about cancer a lot in this podcast, and hey, it's okay. Um I have cancer and it's a part of my life. It's it's okay to simply say, How are you doing? Um, you know, I think there's a lot of other questions you can ask, but um, you know, that that came up uh recently. I did want to point out for those on YouTube, I am sporting my man bracelet. Very cool from the resistors.
SPEAKER_02Um The Resistors We love them.
SPEAKER_00We I've been on, I was on Spaces with them, uh Twitter Spaces. They don't do that anymore. We announced their podcast on our podcast, uh, The Resistors, No Ostriching here. And uh so I've been on since been on their podcast as as one of their guests. So these are friends that I developed through X, formerly known as Twitter. I still sometimes call it Twitter.
SPEAKER_02Oh, I still call it Twitter.
SPEAKER_00They're just amazing ladies. Um and they've sent me you know gifts um you know uh to you know cheer up and you know those are always appreciated, not expected. But I'm kidding, I'm sporting the fancy leather man bracelet.
SPEAKER_02Indeed. Oh, and you're sporting the bracelet I got you for Father's Day, too.
SPEAKER_00Of course, I had to wear that one. And the third one, actually, I think I got in uh not think, I got in Portland when I was visiting Rhythm, which was the long COVID clinic I was working with before my cancer diagnosis. But uh still good friends with them. I've they I've talked to them about actually coming on the podcast, and they are open to doing that. Um but we we mentioned finding light and darkness, and it it I think this could be a recurring segment. And sure I want to talk about uh in the whole idea of finding light and darkness, as you can kind of tell by the words, is how do you um and I can't say enough good things about Sileika Juwad's Between Two Kingdoms book. And at the end of her book, she first half of the book is kind of her cancer journey and uh treatment uh as a young woman in her 20s um living in living in New York. Um at the end of the second half of the book, she goes on a kind of a van life uh journey meeting people that wrote to her because she became a columnist for the New York Times uh during during their treatment. Um so a lot of people wrote her letters, so she went on this van journey, and um I'll have to paraphrase, but one of the people that she met in the book towards the end of the book asked her, Well, would you change anything? And fundamentally she said that she wouldn't, and that um you know it's kind of defined her, and I almost feel the same. There's days I feel exactly the same way, in that um my life right now seems um so vibrant and full because I am so appreciative of whatever life can give me, and that can be as simple as watching a movie on the sofa with Mrs. Seeking Boston or or Franzi, who's my wife, um, or anything. It it could be anything, um, you know, pulling blueberry muffins out of the oven. It's just it it's hard to describe when you've got a terminal illness and stage four cancer. You just have such a greater appreciation for things. And you know, we we try and take respite trips to get away from the dogs that wake us up at 6 30 in the morning, and and we had one this week, and it was a gorgeous room with a patio that opened up to a fire pit, and uh it was absolutely amazing. But uh on the note of Saleika Juwad, uh my wife uh was a part of her book club, and that's how she found the book um Um Between Two Kingdoms. Um I would highly recommend it for anybody going through cancer or caregivers going through cancer. I sent it to your Aunt Dawn because she had a friend who tragically just she lost her friend um just in the last month and a half. Um and I sent it to Dawn. She read it and she loved the book. I think it just gives you a better appreciation of the person with cancer, the caregiver, you know.
SPEAKER_02Different perspectives. It's on my reading list. I haven't excuse me. I haven't read it yet.
SPEAKER_00It's been all because I gave you the book, yes.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, I have it. It's in my my little library. No, I know, I I have it. It's on my list. Um but I I love how I know we you have difficult days, but I do love how you've been able to like just find the small moments in the day-to-day and really like cherish that and a mind shift absolutely, um, and leaning into positivity, which is really hard to do, I think, in any situation. And I I feel inspired too, and that's how I I like to live my life as well. I think it's easy to wallow in the misery, and sometimes you have to do that, sometimes you have to be sad, you have to feel those emotions. But I think kind of having that mind shift of what is a small thing today that I can have gratitude for and be thankful for and like find light and positivity in this really dark situation.
SPEAKER_00Right. So um so the the this passage in the book, she fundamentally says she wouldn't change anything, and I think that is fundamentally you know part of where you know she too is just uh embracing life. Um she she got peacocks this week. Um so you'll have to follow her on Instagram. Um so she got peacocks, they've got this like little farms set up with actual peacocks.
SPEAKER_02I was like, um, is this some new product?
SPEAKER_00Actual peacocks.
SPEAKER_02I mean that's really cool for her.
SPEAKER_00Um but the thing that Franzi found uh uh uh on top of the book, uh Suleka was supposed to do a uh artist residency in Paris um this summer, but uh she had to go uh get chemo treatment again. So her uh I don't know the specifics, but it it you know chemo obviously I've gone through and it uh tough to travel with the chemo. Um so she called an audible to use a football term and decided that she would have a virtual uh art camp. So she's got this uh isolation art camp, which I if you're a subscriber, you have access to it, and her subscription is pretty cheap. But um so I signed up for this thing. So every week um in the month of August uh she gives you a art assignment based on a theme. So this week this week's theme, and the on the 30th, there's a online kind of art geek out with um the artist that she talks about each week. Um I believe it's Anna um Anna Stapleton Martinez, or Martinez Stapleton. I'll have to correct it in the in the in the notes. But so my bridge, um, and I I did write a whole substack post on this because Neil a bridge? A bridge.
SPEAKER_02Okay, okay. That was the assignment for this.
SPEAKER_00It could be, she said it could be literal or figurative.
SPEAKER_02Okay, yeah.
SPEAKER_00And it could be like transitioning from one part of your life to another part of your life.
SPEAKER_02Yeah.
SPEAKER_00Um metaphorically makes sense. I did a watercolor of the Brooklyn Bridge, and that is me in the in the center with the uh the blue windbreaker on.
SPEAKER_02Wait, I want to see it again. I I have I saw it when it was in progress, but for our audio listeners, um or it is your watercolor skills never fail to amaze me, Dad. You were so talented. And I think we've talked about this, but you initially, when you went to CSU back in like, I don't know, 1973. Don't I don't that's not right, but you 70s?
SPEAKER_00I didn't wasn't in college in the 70s. That would make me uh that would make me 70, 80 years old.
SPEAKER_02But um no, but you initially went to school. I was an art major art major because my fresh junior in college. My dad is so talented, but then ultimately ended up switching to business. And I've I just love that you're so intelligent and a great businessman, but also you're talented enough to paint a beautiful watercolor.
SPEAKER_00Death brain, right brain.
SPEAKER_02Definitely.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, so it um I I have extreme fatigue. Um so uh I think I saw a meme that that uh something The moment you see me where you think I might look good is only because I've rested for that occasion and I will crash after that occasion kind of thing. So the thing with painting is I can do it sitting down, I can draw in bed, and it can be as little activity. It can be as little as ten, it can be as little as ten minutes.
SPEAKER_02And I sorry, I don't mean to keep interrupting you, but I I also want to remind our listeners because we've talked about this a lot on our podcast, but like and this can apply this applies to my dad, this could apply to me, this could apply to any human being. Like an illness illness does not always express itself through the exterior. So someone like someone or everyone is always carrying something, whether that's like some mental challenges or physical challenges. And just because dad doesn't look like he has stage four cancer, he does. Um and so kind of back to your the point you made earlier. If you you know check in with dad, Sam, like you just ask how he's doing and don't take judge the book by the cover.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, no, um I do feel that I'm that death is not imminent. You know, if it were, I I would have some of those maybe physical symptoms. It's funny though. One of the first questions they ask in my screening of my oncology appointments, and we're gonna we're gonna have a big segment on kind of cancer update because there's a lot going on, and I feel we need to first questions they ask is are uh uh have you lost weight recently? Um au contraire. Um I've got a healthy appetite. Um so yeah, I I have the appearance of someone that is not near the end with their cancer because I don't believe I'm near the end. Um but uh yeah, as as always, we we kind of segue, uh segue on two different topics, but that's okay. But we're talking about finding light and darkness. So for me, taking up painting again and watercolors are uh a lot less time consuming and less effort than a canvas, you know, acrylic painting. Um, although I've done a couple of those. Um so uh looking forward to August 30th, there's there's like I said, there's a geek out um chat with Suleika and Anna Martinez Stapleton or Anna Stapleton Martinez. I think it's Stapleton Martinez. Um and sorry to her for not having that on the tip of my tongue. But um that has been you know, I I just try and live by the book, quite literally, of between two kingdoms, just because she's got such a great attitude uh about cancer, her journey, and you know, uh doing what you can within the the limits of your body. And this podcast is one of those where you know we're sitting down, we're gonna talk for an hour. I will crash this afternoon, but that's okay because I this is this just gives me you know such light um uh in my life, and hopefully to some of our listeners. Um I gotta cover one other quick thing, and I know Nikki's got a light, and she's had a lot of light this summer. Palisade Peaches. Oh my effing god.
SPEAKER_02Okay, you know, I mean the the the heat this year we've talked about not being so great, but like I don't know, maybe it's done something for the peaches because you love it. They're so good. I texted you yesterday because uh you gave me one of the peaches and I cut it up, put in, put them in Greek yogurt, granola, and honey.
SPEAKER_00Insane.
SPEAKER_02So good, and like a healthy, like sweet snack.
SPEAKER_00So healthier. Um we have been on this peaches because they're they're the sweetest. They're they're the best peach. I don't know if it's just because of you know what I'm going through and my taste buds. The peaches this year are insane.
SPEAKER_03They're so good.
SPEAKER_00We have gone through like three cases of them. Um, we have them every night, uh, you know, at night. I've got a case in the kitchen that are are still a bit firm. I'm hoping by tonight they'll be soft enough. Because the a hard peach is like a hard, a hard pick. Either right, the exact right temperature. And uh as opposed to a canned peach, which is like an abomination of God. Um you've got to have f these these fresh peaches. So I get uh I've gotten a lot of joy out of the Palisade Peaches this year. Yeah, but uh Nikki, how about you? How you've I know you've found a lot of light in darkness this summer. You've had a great summer.
SPEAKER_02I've had probably one of the busiest summers in a minute. I didn't intend for it to be that way, other than I wanted to she's popular. Dad, no, because I really wanted to make uh this year about intention and being really intentional on how I spend my time and the relationships that I have. And um, I really value quality time with my family and friends. Um, I would these days, I would much rather go get coffee one-on-one with a friend or spend, you know, going over to their house for dinner and just like spending that quality time together in like a smaller group versus going to a large party or something. Um, but this summer I have traveled all over for both business and personal reasons. Um, on the business side, I had a trip to New York and I was really emotional about that because growing up after watching Devilwears Prada, and also through my journalism background I and in yearbook, I always wanted to work for a magazine. And I thought I would work be, you know, working in New York uh one day at Vogue or something. And obviously my career isn't there, but it was really fulfilling, and I was proud of myself for just having that opportunity and to conduct business in New York City was um a huge plus for me and just exciting. Um, and then we also had a work trip. Um, was able to go to Vermont and experience that state for the first time, which was so beautiful. And Colin was able to meet me and we did a e-bike tour.
SPEAKER_00I don't I don't think I've done Vermont.
SPEAKER_02It's it's gorgeous up there. It it's East Coast, but it doesn't feel like the East Coast.
SPEAKER_00It kind of feels like a I've done a lot of Northeast. I I don't think I've done Vermont. Yeah, it's go ahead.
SPEAKER_02Uh a beautiful greenery on the water, um, a huge focus on sustainability and um just some really down-to-earth people as well. I I really enjoyed that. But we did an e-bike tour um near Stowe, Vermont, and it was on an old railroad path.
SPEAKER_00They've done a lot of that around the country. Yeah, because old railroad paths into into bike paths.
SPEAKER_02Biking trails. We uh Colin and I just had so much fun disconnecting and being outdoors, and I think we rode like 30 miles on the e-bike, which sounds like a lot, but when you are going 30 miles per hour.
SPEAKER_00Um And it's an e-bike, yeah.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, but it was great to disconnect from uh nature in that way, and then I was able to go visit my really good friend Lily and her husband Matt out in Alaska.
SPEAKER_00Um, and I you know you caught yourself some big fish.
SPEAKER_02Well, I did, but backing up, I think I was really nervous about that trip because I get really motion sickness, and anyone who has motion sickness knows buses, planes, cars, boats.
SPEAKER_00Do you you get that from your grandma Marlene? Do you do you know that Grandma Marlene would get uh seasick from watching a video of a boat on the water?
SPEAKER_02Oh no, I I would too. It's gotten worse with age as well. I didn't know that Grandma Marlene had it as well, but um I actually got prescribed medicine and I was like, you know what? I'm gonna take the opportunity, push myself out of my comfort zone. I'm gonna go fishing, I'm gonna go flying, and I'm just gonna really immerse myself in this adventure because why not? Um, and I ended up not only having just such an amazing time with my friends and like that deep quality time to connect with them was so special to me. But also just I really like this summer has really sparked my my love for nature again and just being outside and taking advantage of the beautiful world and all of that that has to offer. So that was wonderful. I caught a big, big fish, had one of those belt things on. I felt like I was in Jaws, which makes no sense. I mean, it wasn't the ocean, but and I was like, you know, you have to hook it in to the belt. And um I'm excited. We were fishing for like seven hours.
SPEAKER_00Sorry, I had to throw in a jaws reference because Nikki Nikki mentioned uh Quint.
SPEAKER_02Um you threw me off with the with your quote.
SPEAKER_00You had the belt on.
SPEAKER_02Oh, yeah, had the belt on, and we were deep sea fishing at like 300 feet deep, and I I was just happy to be there. Even if I didn't catch a fish, I was just so thrilled to have that opportunity and spend time with my friends, and it was amazing. I loved it. Um, and then just last weekend I flew to Los Angeles to hang out with my best friend from high school, Alicia, and I love LA. Like there's just such a creative atmosphere, and I know LA can also be like a little pretentious, and all the influencers are there, but um, I always feel really sparked and sparked from a creative standpoint when I visit LA, and also my cup is always filled when I visit Alicia. Like we can hang out for days upon days and not get sick of each other.
SPEAKER_00Um, I've got I've got several of your friends that are my favorites, and and Alicia is certainly one of them.
SPEAKER_02I know, I know. Um, so I have just been able to really I really find joy in traveling and also just disconnecting and spending quality time, and that's that's what I've been doing all summer, just traveling around.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, you've had a lot of trips. Yes. Um it just it just has been busy, uh, which helps because we we we have a uh a monthly cadence here on the Butterfly Pavilion Podcast between between my energy and the energy it takes to to uh record and produce. Um it I think it's a great cadence for us, but uh it sounds like an amazing summer. I I I told you about my uh Alaska fishing trip. Um this was back in holy cow, um late 80s, early 90s, and we took a couple of clients that's right on a I may have talked about this in a previous podcast, but we took them on a fishing boondoggle trip.
SPEAKER_02That's a really awesome experience.
SPEAKER_00Oh my god. We we we did a day of deep sea fishing, we did a day of fly fishing on the Kenai. Um, but the deep sea, I was kind of in the back of the boat, um, and the dogs are wanting to enter the chat, which is just fine because we have a dog-friendly chat. I was in the back of the boat and I didn't quite fully hear the instructions. So I my only point of reference was like marlin fishing, where you're like you, you're like, you know jerking the the rod and you're you're leaning in and and reeling and all that.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, because you definitely gotta hook them on there, you know.
SPEAKER_00I I had I had one or two uh fish on the line, but I I went with the marlin approach, and I learned later that you basically have to let the halibut fundamentally just swallow uh the bait uh for a minute or two, and then it's just an easy reel-in. But there's a little kid on his boy uh on the boat playing it on his Game Boy. He he caught a fish. I did not.
SPEAKER_02Um the kid with the Game Boy.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, he was he was playing on his Game Boy all day long. He came out in the last 30 minutes, caught a fish, and I was out there all day.
SPEAKER_02Well, last last thing about Alaska because it's amazing. I well also wildlife. I I saw so much wildlife, and also it was sunny the whole time we were there because my other best gal friend, Leanne and I, went and we just kept I just kept joking, like the sun's out because we're here. But Lily was like, it's never like this, it's never sunny this long. And up there in the summer, the sun doesn't set until 11 p.m. So it just kind of messes with you.
SPEAKER_00But we depending on the time of the year.
SPEAKER_02For sure. Um, but only in the summertime. Um, but we went to like a wildlife conservatory and we saw bears, we saw moose, um, elk, we saw a white wolf, which was super cool. Um, and then when we were fishing, it was a white wolf.
SPEAKER_00What that's a that's a young Frankenstein reference.
SPEAKER_02Okay. I was like, huh?
SPEAKER_00We have movie quotes at the end of this thing. You said wolf, and I had to do the werewolf?
SPEAKER_02It reminded me of uh Wolf in Game of Thrones. But anyway, like a dire wolf. Um, but we were out fishing and we saw some whales, but they were really far away. And the only reason why we were, you know, saw them essentially was because they they, you know, blew out of their air holes or whatever, and they made that sound, like the sh sound. And the whole time we were just like, we were drift fishing. So we were literally in the Gulf of Alaska, okay? And you know, whales are so massive and they can swim so fast. So we also weren't trying to disrupt them by any means, but we were also fishing. And on our way back, we're driving back to Whittier, which is where we docked out of. And um, all of a sudden we see whales. And this whole time we were like, oh, we really just want to see the tail flip, you know, when the whale, when it would be awesome if we're gonna slapping on the water. And the whole time we just kind of saw them like calm like up a little bit and down, but we never saw the full fin. The full fin. And so we kind of got bored of the whales. Yeah, they're their tail. You're right. And we're on the way back and we're like, oh my gosh, the whales again. And then we were like, oh my gosh, like it's gonna do the flip, it's gonna do the flip. And we were all like just staring intently, like driving back to Whittier. And the whale did the tail flip. And so we were all on the boat, like, yeah, like we're gonna do it.
SPEAKER_00Well, it like splat splashes the tail in the water, yeah, or flips it up in the air.
SPEAKER_02Well, like it's when they're coming up for air, they they kind of come you know up to the surface, but then if they really have that momentum, the tail comes up and it flips out of the water. So I saw a whale tail flip, and it was just like the coolest thing ever. It was great. Wow, it was awesome. Shout out, Lily and Matt. Thanks.
SPEAKER_00Well, and and great friends. Yeah. Um Leanne, you know, great, great friends of yours. So I'm glad you're able to do that. Yeah. Sad because it continues because you've got you've got more. You got a trip to Mexico City coming up.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, to Mexico. Um, we're gonna go to Cancun and Oaxaca, actually, which is close to Mexico City. I hope I pronounce that right. Because last time I talked to Grandpa Jim about it, he was like, that's not how you pronounce it. I was like, that's a hard one to pronounce. It's spelled like O-A-X-A-C-A, I think.
SPEAKER_00Yeah. I I won't begin to try and present it.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, anyways, but yeah, it's it's been good and yeah, I'm just excited for the the rest of the year.
SPEAKER_00Super, super. Well, we want to um um a couple of other quick things I want to cover. Um late one night I I entered Franzi, I say Franzi, I entered us into a uh America's favorite couple contest um just because I think she's an amazing caregiver and she is deserves her flowers and you know, going back to talking about the vibrancy of life experiences, etc. Uh, we were second in the wild card. Um, so wanted to thank everybody that voted for us. It was kind of fun to compete because I'm a salesperson, I'm competitive. Um did I ever tell you the pink torpedo story? Pink torpedo.
SPEAKER_02No, I don't think so.
SPEAKER_00I am so competitive. So we were on a president's club trip.
SPEAKER_02Um presidents club in college? Or no for for work.
SPEAKER_00For work. Okay, like a sales sales thing for people that exceeded at their quotas uh with a company called Ascend Communications, which was ultimately bought by Lucent uh Technologies uh for $24 billion with a B. Um probably one of the best companies I ever worked for, Fun'cause Companies did did pretty well there. But we were at President's Club, I think it was Hawaii, and yes, it was out drinking at the pool, and they had this water slide, and it wasn't super long, but it it was a pretty good-sized water slide in a smaller pool. So we got into this thing where we were uh timing each other on the fastest. Because we were saw all these salespeople are so competitive. So we got into this, you know, and and so at on that uh trip, um, I was going so fast they nicknamed me the Pink Torpedo because of my body and uh my red hair and pinkness.
SPEAKER_02Um yeah, your sunburnt skin or something.
SPEAKER_00This is the pink torpedoes new nickname you've left.
SPEAKER_02I I haven't heard that story, which is hilarious and also very on brand for you. But I do remember the only reason why I remember this Hawaii trip is because I remember that you told us kids that you and Franzi were going to Hawaii, and I was like pissed that we weren't going.
SPEAKER_00Oh, yeah.
SPEAKER_02With like a beautiful glass plaque, and it was like President's Club Hawaii, and I was like, ugh.
SPEAKER_00Well, I think I had promised somewhere along the line, I had either promised you or you had it in your head that I promised you a trip to Hawaii. And so um that was probably in the in the era of of uh Lindsay Lohan's parent trap, uh, where you weren't fully on board yet with with stepmom. So I go off to Hawaii with with uh my girlfriend at the time, uh, because I don't think we were engaged yet. Um yeah, you were hella pissed. Because I think we shipped you off to, I don't know.
SPEAKER_02I well, hey, you know what? You and Franzi have provided a plethora of amazing trips and vacations. So I'll I'll let the whole the president's club circa 2005 go. Okay.
SPEAKER_00Yeah. Well, that that could be a whole episode talking of our our trips around the world.
SPEAKER_02Oh my god, yeah, we should.
SPEAKER_00We've done Florence, you've we did we've done London.
SPEAKER_02Uh I'm adding that to our podcast ideas because we do we love to travel together with family.
SPEAKER_00Travel is a whole episode.
SPEAKER_02Oh yeah. I'm writing it down now.
SPEAKER_00So you know, thank you to those that voted uh for the pink the for the pink torpedo. Um one one little quick other topic uh that we want to talk about is birds and bats. Uh before we get into cancer.
SPEAKER_02Oh my gosh. Um, I'm I'm trying to be mindful. I feel like I've been talking so much this episode, Dad.
SPEAKER_00Um I'm I'm trying I'm trying to improve and give you equal equal time.
SPEAKER_02Well, thanks, Dad. I appreciate it. Um, but in our neighborhood this summer, um at dusk, because it's been so hot outside, that's like the only time we can really walk the dogs. And I work East Coast hours, so I don't really get up to at four in the morning to walk Mac. But at night I've started noticing there's been freaking bats flying around. And it's not just like one or two. Every night there's like 50 bats flying around, and I am like, I love the spooky vibes, and tell me why like a bat is so much cooler to me than a bird. I I I'm like, oh, the bats are so cute. Whereas a bird's I'm like, heck no, get me away.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, so I don't know why. Um and I should have pulled up a good uh you know, Frankens or a good uh uh vampire uh uh quote, but yeah, our neighborhood is is full of bats. And I don't know, I mean I've seen a bat before. The the the bats are everywhere. I don't know what's going on with the bats.
SPEAKER_02Well, because I did look it up, and obviously Colorado is known for having bats, but I feel like in this city has been an experience like I've been.
SPEAKER_00I don't think that's a well I don't think that's a well known fact.
SPEAKER_02I I don't know. Um, but they do hunt at dusk, and I think they live in the abandoned hospital building back there. Because only the creepy. Well, where else would they live? Like McCollin was like we we live we live near
SPEAKER_00Near a a uh CU campus uh used to have Anshut's, I think it was Anchutes, right around Ninth and Colorado in in Denver. Uh they tore it down, so they created you know uh retail space, which we love because we've got a brand new well relatively brand new movie theater, et cetera, et cetera. Um, but one of the buildings that they didn't tear down was this old dormit nurses dormitory, and and at night um it it looks creepy.
SPEAKER_02It like can you imagine just being in an abandoned hospital and the pitch black in the middle of the night? There's totally ghosts in there, but again, it's not just like one or two bats, there's like 50 to 100.
SPEAKER_00So I think they live in the in the in the the ghost the the nurse ghost hospit hospital dormitory.
SPEAKER_02Maybe we'll scope it out one night.
SPEAKER_00That's kind of like the pigeon building on Colfax. There was an abandoned building on Colfax. Uh Franzi's not here, she'd be able to tell me what it used to be, but it's not far just north of here. And there was like 10 million pigeons that lived in this house.
SPEAKER_02See, no.
SPEAKER_00Yeah.
SPEAKER_02Well, and um, did you wash your hands after that? I would not step foot in that box. That sounds like my work worst nightmare. But did we talk about how I got chased by a crow?
SPEAKER_00Um recently?
SPEAKER_02Yes, dad.
SPEAKER_00Oh no, we have not. Okay, I'm about to dive into this because in the Purple Delight episode, we talked about the origin of your fear of birds, and that was riding on Purple Delight under the viaduct and and having the birds you thought attacking you.
SPEAKER_02So, well, just just wait. This would only happen to me, right? Someone who is already afraid of birds don't like them. This was earlier in the summer. I'm walking Mac outside, normal route, nothing crazy. All of a sudden, a crow who's like double the size of my head dive bombs me. I'm obviously freaking out because that's scary, right? So I'm like, okay, uh, don't know what that was. I'm gonna keep going. I cross the street with Mac. Um, it dive bombs me again. So at this point, I'm freaking out, okay? If you can just imagine me like with Mac. Also, there's no one around, by the way, somehow. There's nobody outside or no witnesses to the situation.
SPEAKER_00Um did you have some like goldfish crackers in uh in your open backpack that they were doing?
SPEAKER_02It was just me, and I was like, I had just gotten my nails done, like a chrome color, and so I was like, does is it chasing me because crows like shiny things, I think, and maybe it was nesting, or I don't know. It proceeds to chase me for six blocks.
SPEAKER_00Oh my god.
SPEAKER_02I'm freaking out. I start running.
SPEAKER_00I was like, I am close to this dye bombing crowd, like right by my head.
SPEAKER_02I thought it was going within a few feet. Yes, dad, if not more. I was so scared, I was like, this is a bad omen. I am cursed.
SPEAKER_00Maybe it's the hair.
SPEAKER_02That's the other thing because crows, I've looked this up, trust me. They're really smart, they remember people. Also, when my my hair was down like it is now, I'm easy to spot. I'm easy to find.
SPEAKER_00I think either they are related to the the pigeons in Decoven Park when you were writing Purple Delight as a kid, or they listened to that episode and they know that you have a fear of birds.
SPEAKER_02I so yes, I'm freaking out. I'm fear. I almost had to knock on somebody, a stranger's door. Okay, that's how scared I was. Meanwhile, at the very end, because I start running, okay, but it's a bird. It's it's flying everywhere, it's following me. I hid hid behind a dumpster in an alley, freaking out, almost to the point of crying, but then Max also freaked out, obviously. And I call Colin and I'm like, oh my god, like this crow is chasing me. Like, I don't know what to do. And I was speaking so fast, I fear took over, and Colin thought a human was chasing me. And I was like, no, it was a freaking crow. So I finally like got back to my house.
SPEAKER_00So did he find the that story funny or was he sympathetic?
SPEAKER_02Oh no.
SPEAKER_00Or a combination of both.
SPEAKER_02At first, of course, Colin's amazing. He was super sympathetic. He wanted to ensure that I was okay because I was genuinely freaked out. I also was like, I'm cursed. Why is this happening to me? It's a I've seen too many horror movies. Um, but then we did look it up, and around the beginning of the summer is when the crow's mating seasons are. So if you get too close to a nest, they will do that. They are known to follow you and they will will remember you if you come back. So I have not walked that same route.
SPEAKER_00Stay away from the nest.
SPEAKER_02Well, how was I supposed to know? I don't know.
SPEAKER_00I'm no, I'm just I'm trying to figure out.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, anyways, that would only happen to me.
SPEAKER_00How to prevent it in the future.
SPEAKER_02Crows, thumbs down. Yeah. Bats, thumbs up.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, bats, very cool. Franzi's got a Franzi downloaded the the bird app that will tell you what bird happens to be chirping or singing in the neighborhood.
SPEAKER_02Alicia also has that app.
SPEAKER_00Mildly infatuated with birds as well, because she downloaded an app.
SPEAKER_02Could it be me, Franzi? Could it be me?
SPEAKER_00Yeah, so um time, I think, to give a page four update. Yes. Page four.
SPEAKER_02Page four cancer update.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, so we call it page four uh because it's stage four cancer and play on words, I guess. Um I believe we talked about doing a trial in the Wonder Years episode that I had my siblings on, which was awesome to have childhood stories uh with my siblings. Um, and as we consistently talk about on the podcast, PSA is is something that you men should be getting tested as an indicator or potential indicator for prostate cancer.
SPEAKER_02All men get your PSA tested. Yes.
SPEAKER_00Um, but it is also a barometer of sorts um for cancer activity. So uh I get measured often. Um we were going to do a Merck trial earlier in the summer, or yeah, six six, seven months ago, because my PSA had dropped in the danger zone. My PSA, or no, my PSA was rising, rather. PSA dropped, so I was no longer eligible for the trial, but that's good news. So any any quarter you can go with PSA in normal range, which means typically cancer is not active or growing, is a good thing. Um so once again it started to rise, and so we had to game plan with Dr. Eiley and uh UC Health and the great people at uh CU Anchutes Cancer Center and uh decided on a immunotherapy trial. We had started that, and in fact, um I think my favorite um Instagram reel is the Jojo Rabbit dance scene. So you will have to check that out. We'll we will link it in the podcast or peruse our podcast. So Nikki came down one day for one of my infusions and and uh you know to add light and darkness that day, we did a play on the the the the end of the movie Jojo Rabbit, which you've just gotta see it. But uh I can't words can't describe the end of that movie, and um it was a lot of fun doing a uh a uh cancer infusion chair dance.
SPEAKER_02Um choreography.
SPEAKER_00Choreography. Um things, you know, I I I did the step-up doses, did the full dose, and there's a ton of testing, ton of imaging, ton of blood work. A lot of time at the hospital. A lot of time at the hospital. There's one day that I'm there like every day of the week, um, and that certainly takes a toll on my body. But I my litter numbers were out of whack, uh like way out of whack, um, to the point where uh, and he labeled this as autoimmune hepatitis, which sounds really scary, um, and it can be very serious. Um, so it's essentially my body's immune system was attacking the liver, um, which is not good. So we immediately halted treatment. I was very excited because I was going in for my next treatment, met with Dr. Eiley's like, hey, your liver numbers are off.
SPEAKER_02We gotta evaluate what's happening.
SPEAKER_00Not just pump the brakes, we gotta park the car in the in the lot um to get these liver numbers back in order. So it's been, gosh, I'd want to say over a month. They put me on a lung antibacterial and like 80 milligrams of steroids prednisone every day, um, which has its own nuances because 10 milligrams will wire me. Um, so you definitely need to take that in the morning. Um, but sleep just all of a sudden just wrecked me. But I was that high.
SPEAKER_0280 milligrams is a lot.
SPEAKER_00It's a lot of freaking pregnancy. So you know, I was just amped out of my freaking mind on uh the prednisone. Um good news was that it it did give me energy during the day. Um, you know, but it was it was a drug energy. Um, and then at night I had uh you know quite a hard time sleeping. So I've been tapering off that. The numbers did eventually go down. Uh news. Give me great news as of like um but it freaked me out because the the that week was a setback. No, it was a setback, but I think we met Eiley on a Tuesday or a Thursday and had the funeral for my half-brother that Friday, and part of um is a long story, but one of the things you know it was liver failure, uh, among a few other body things that were shutting down. So I get this, you know, you know, the portal is good is good, it can be bad. You know, good is you get news right away and you get a lot of detail. Bad is you can your mind can go crazy and inter misinterpret or let your imagination run while imagination run wild.
SPEAKER_02But it's like what is wrong with you on the internet via WebMD? And it's just uh causes a a spiral because it's like it's cool that you have access to all of this information in the portal, but then at the same time, I think it's like we have to I say we, but like approach it with caution and understand like maybe checking it right before you go to bed isn't the best idea.
SPEAKER_00Right, right. Well, it it was a mind fuck because I literally, you know, had this celebration of life on Friday, and I in within a day of getting this news, so my my mind goes crazy, and you know, I'm you know, because there were a lot of same words that were used, but it was the this this was a different, it it very specifically was this autoimmune hepatitis, which again sounds very, very, very bad and serious, and it can be unless it's treated. Good news is that my numbers are now back in range. So as of uh this recording date, uh you know, three days ago, I did get a portal message.
SPEAKER_02It's eight August 23rd, by the way.
SPEAKER_00August 23rd. What is August 23rd?
SPEAKER_02You said today. Oh I was just we might post this later.
SPEAKER_00Yes, we're recording August 23rd, but it was been, you know, the 21st. Dr. Eiley sends me a note, and the uh drug sponsor, which happens to be Johnson and Johnson, came back and said, yo, you're eligible, go back on the trial. Uh which is great because you know, the being on the steroids, you know, I was fundamentally on not on any cancer treatment. So you know, I often talk about playing offense, playing defense. To me, it was it it also was stressful because I'm not treating my cancer right now.
SPEAKER_02Well, it's like it was defensive in a way, but like one part of the field versus, you know.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, we had to, we had to there was a little force fire that that cropped up with this hepatitis that we that we had to address. Um Yeah. Um so we are on schedule to do another ramp up. Unfortunately, we got to ramp up again to that 300 milligrams. Um uh so that is I believe middle of September, um, where I will pick up the infusions again. So yeah, I'm excited about that, you know, because you know, right now I'm not treating my cancer, and the PSA has risen. And we've been testing weekly um for on primarily on the liver numbers, but they test PSA while they're doing that. Um PSA has started to rise, so I'm up in the six range, which makes me nervous. But they also said as part of the trial you have to be at a certain range. Well, no, they for the trial sp specifically don't focus on the PSA, they want to focus on the images. Uh because we did we did baseline images, so I had a uh um three different images. I think a pet, a uh an MRI, and a C T I think were the three, because they want to get a you know photograph or snapshot of where's the cancer. Um and good news is there's no new areas, um, which is great, but it you know, I think we've covered before it's prostate that's metastasized a bone. I've got it, you know, in several areas, too many areas to to use radiation as an option. So um it's kind of been an up and down and emotional uh five, six weeks with all that going on, but um we are excited because the trial is is uh gonna be resuming you know kind of a w the week after Labor Day.
SPEAKER_02Yeah. No, it's which is awesome. Yeah, I think it's given us some hope, and um I'm so glad that we're able to have access to this trial and some progressive medicine, and um we'll we'll go from there. But we're we're back on track, so that's good.
SPEAKER_00Yeah.
SPEAKER_02Um we're almost at our hour of ginger power.
SPEAKER_00We are, which brings us to one of my favorite segments.
SPEAKER_02Movie quotes.
SPEAKER_00Movie quotes, and we don't have a jingle for that.
SPEAKER_02I know that was my made-up jingle.
SPEAKER_00Do movie quotes quotes. We'll have to hit up to hit up Uncle Tim for a movie quote jingle because the fan mail one is is just awesome. Uh as I shift in the in the chair. So this is where I I pull up movie quotes. Nikki does not know what they are, she has to guess them, um, which I have a lot of fun with. I think some of our listeners may have fun with. And as always, I try and some of them might be easy for you. Um might be a little more difficult. See. We'll see.
SPEAKER_02I'm ready. Bring it on.
SPEAKER_00I've got two. Yeah, I've got two from the first movie.
SPEAKER_03Okay.
SPEAKER_00If I were king of the fourth. Your Majesty, if you were king, you wouldn't be afraid of anything. Not nobody, not know how. Not a rhinoceros? Imposterous. What about a hippopotamus? Well, I'd thrash him from top to bottom us. Supposing you met an elephant, I'd wrap him up in cellophant.
SPEAKER_02And and two quotes?
SPEAKER_00Th those are the oh, I've got a sec oh Well, a different the second quote was the same movie? A second quote. Yeah, I do have a second and second one. I think it's from the same character.
SPEAKER_01Put 'em up, put em up. Which one of you first? I'll fight both of you. Both of you together. I'll fight ya with one paw tied behind my back.
SPEAKER_02Um, is this the jungle book?
SPEAKER_01Oh, Jesus.
SPEAKER_02Did I get it?
SPEAKER_00This this is a three-foot pot. No.
SPEAKER_02I didn't- wait, I didn't get it?
SPEAKER_00No, this is not jungle book.
SPEAKER_02Okay, keep going. Damn it.
SPEAKER_00Those are the two quotes.
SPEAKER_02Oh, oh, oh, oh. Um, Princess Brad?
SPEAKER_00One of Grandma Merlene's favorite movies.
SPEAKER_02Okay, well, I'm I'm over two.
SPEAKER_00Oh my god. Wizard of Oz.
SPEAKER_02Oh my god. Are you serious?
SPEAKER_00King of the forest.
SPEAKER_01How did you not know that that line?
SPEAKER_02I I love the Wizard of Oz. I have seen it so many times. Tell me why I just I I botched that. I botched it.
SPEAKER_00Okay. I thought that was gonna be I thought that was gonna be the easy one.
SPEAKER_02All right, well shoot.
SPEAKER_00Well, we're so let's move on to the second movie.
SPEAKER_02All right.
SPEAKER_00Uh walk right, safe side. Walk left, safe side. Walk middle, sooner or later, squish. Get to squish just like grape. Is there another second quote? Wax on right hand. Wax off left hand. Wax on, wax off. Breathe into nose, out the mouth.
SPEAKER_02Karate kid?
SPEAKER_00That is karate kid.
SPEAKER_02Woo! I got it! Okay, karate.
SPEAKER_00I I I am not gonna apologize. There was a slight accent. Um, you know, I I I do believe that uh appropriating accents is racist. Um, you know, but if a comedian was doing a karate quote kit, you know, quote, you you I anyway.
SPEAKER_02Thanks for the classification, dad, that you're not a racist.
SPEAKER_00Yeah. You you know you're not a racist when you are racist when you say, well, I'm not a racist, but um yeah, so I I I was that was Patrick. So that was Pat Merida.
SPEAKER_02Um how did I get the difficult one and not the easy one? Um, don't know. But I were like the wax on, wax off quote is pretty famous. So that's when and it also sounded like training to me. So and I I had a feeling because that's a pretty popular movie that I could I feel like you would pick.
SPEAKER_01So well, I thought put 'em up, put em up. Which one are you first? I'll find your books together.
SPEAKER_02Lyon. I got that now.
SPEAKER_00Anyway.
SPEAKER_02It was pretty good.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, well, that that is this week's movie quotes. Nikki, anything you want to end this uh week's dad. Well, thank you. No, this was I know it's been a busy summer and it's great to have you in the studio. Um, we have studio lights this week.
SPEAKER_02I know. I actually arrived today and dad, we had a our whole setup ready to go. I was pretty impressed with the the addition of the lighting and um this week in front of the old man painting. And no, yeah, we we love this old man painting. And I I did I didn't officially cry today, but I do have our cry jar. I was getting a little teary-eyed just because I'm I'm really proud of you for the resiliency and strength that you you bring to the family and also just your outlook on life is is really inspiring. So I I did get a little teary-eyed, but I didn't want to not quite cry jar. Not quite level. But I it it was good.
SPEAKER_00You you hit it well because of course I would I was trying to face the audience camera, and you have you know, going back and forth, but excellent. Well, I think we can wrap uh this week's this week's this month's episode of the Butterfly Favilion. Thanks as always for tuning in.
SPEAKER_02Thank you so much.
SPEAKER_00You can see us within the month on social of the media at Butterfly Pavilion Pod on the TikTok and Instagram. Yeah, thanks so much. We'll see you next time.
SPEAKER_02Thanks so much. Bye.