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NINA HAWKINS: The Human Side of AI Creation | EPISODE 21
Nina Hawkins: The Human Side of AI Creation | The BASIC Show w/ Viktorija Pashuta
In this episode of The BASIC Show, host Viktorija Pashuta sits down with artist, filmmaker, and AI visionary Nina Hawkins (aka Nina Sense) for a mind-expanding conversation on creativity, technology, and the evolution of identity in the digital age.
Nina opens up about:
💫 Building her digital twin “Nina Sense” and the idea of creative immortality
🤖 How AI and 3D tools are reshaping art, fashion, and self-expression
📸 Collaborating with brands like Disney, Dior, and L’Officiel while protecting artistic integrity
🌍 Ethical conversations around likeness rights, authenticity, and digital agency
🧘♀️ The spiritual practices that fuel her creativity — Vipassana, Silva Method & “quantum jumping”
⚡ Why slowing down offline is the real key to unlocking genius
This episode bridges art and innovation, offering a glimpse into a future where creativity, consciousness, and code all coexist. If you’ve ever questioned where humanity fits in a world run by algorithms, Nina’s story will remind you that authenticity will always be the ultimate technology.
🎧 Listen now and share: What part of your creativity would you digitize?
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📍 Recorded at: 405 Motoring, Los Angeles @405motoring
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Drinking your own dev? Um if not your own dev, but it's definitely not charged. I don't think it's charged with great particles. I don't wanna be he she it non-binary, nothing. I was like, maybe I just wanna have a matrix. Once you create your twin, you can actually like reuse your face and do like free campaigns in several cities, like you know, Paris, Tokyo, right? Like all this New York, you can be in several places at the same time. I'm just flooded with ideas. Like I write a whole like album idea, uh collection, clothing collection idea, three music videos. I've always been fascinated by Georgian um alphabet and just like what is so special about it, so it's just so beautiful. It looks like uh elven, you know, like the elven language in Lord of the Rings.
SPEAKER_01:Welcome to the basic show. We are at season four. The theme is dark matter. We are here at 405 motoring, and guess what? I do have a special guest, Nina Hawkings.
SPEAKER_02:Yay!
SPEAKER_01:Welcome to the basic show, Nina. Thank you. Guys, look at just this incredible look. Likewise. Likewise, right? Likewise. Look how I got your memo. Right? It's like we're mirroring each other. Like we guys didn't talk, we didn't like you know discuss what we're gonna wear, but somehow telepathically we knew what we're gonna wear. Your look reminds me on what you have in your Instagram profile that says Alienatrix and Cyber Witch in wires. Can you can you describe your style and why you call yourself that?
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, I was thinking, you know, how everyone's coming up with like these pronouns, you know, and sometimes I'm like, I don't want to be he, she, it non-binary, nothing. I was like, maybe I just want to have an alienatrix as a pro as a pronoun. I saw like on some dating app it was Faye. I was like, you know what? Let me just pick something weird. I don't want to be part of this whole binary, non-binary war, honestly. So I just thought it was funny, but then I couldn't use alienatrix as like a uh species. It's in a way it's uh you know, alien and matrix, or in a way dominatrix, you know, it's like I don't yeah, I don't necessarily play around with these like um um relationship dynamics or sometimes, but it's just I thought it was like a fun wordplay, and I was thinking maybe it could be like an alter ego or like a character of minuscence as it's like one of her archetypes, you know?
SPEAKER_01:So speaking of the uh you know alter ego, you do have your digital twin called Nina Sense. Yes, and I was looking into a pro I mean I've heard about it, but I didn't know to the level that you expanded your digital avatar, and I know you expanded to the way that it is, if I'm not mistaken, represented by Photogenics Model Agency. Yes. So can you tell us more what does it mean to you to create your own digital twin?
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, the idea came to me, I think, back in 2019. I was uh mostly focusing on photography and filmmaking, directing music videos at the time, doing uh fashion films, uh maybe some modeling. And then one day one of my friends sent me a this picture of this like 3D avatar girl that looked exactly like me. And that kind of I don't know, something switched, like flipped in my mind, and I was just looking at that, and it was kind of fascinating for me to see just like a digital version of me by someone who never even met me in person, and it's just you know, like had my features. Um yeah, and I just felt really relatable. And I thought, um, I I've been thinking to do uh to start a music project actually, and I was thinking maybe an avatar would be an interesting kind of like play on how to push the like a music project out as well. So I've been always kind of uh fantasizing about having this um creative partner, um, some sort of like artificial intelligent creative partner that is at home and like collecting new skills or editing pictures as I'm like you know, networking or shooting. Oh we all know, yeah, like exactly like we all need someone to help us, but at the time, like in 2019, uh it was still not as you know prominent, like publicly available, and um, yeah. So when I was reaching out to uh like investors and pitching this project, this idea pro uh uh where you have AI help you um as a creative partner, they were so confused. They're like, so what is your product product? What do you mean AI is gonna help you make art and music? What are you talking about? You know, they were so confused by the concept. And then at the time I just found like some sort of like Google Docs where you could do some art with AI, but it looked very weird at the time. You could do like dogs and and bubbles and some weird robots, the faces look super creepy. But like, you know, a little that I knew fast forward a couple years after the pandemic, it just became so publicly and consumer available, and I was very fascinated by it, and I was just thinking, wow, that's exactly what I was trying to do. But yeah, basically during the lockdown, I took that extra time that I had on my hand to finally learn 3D and do my own avatar by myself because I couldn't find anyone to do it for me. Or like there's some people who did it, but I just felt like it wasn't me, it didn't feel like me. And then yeah, I just needed like a female touch, and maybe I'm a control freak, so I just it's interesting.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, it's interesting you say that because uh um recently, I don't know how you know how recently, but I even made a note that big artists like Timberland, right? They created AI focus label called Stage Zero and with specific AI character called Tata, and there's a virtual rapper, Fn Mecca, right? And he created right, created Avatar Project by uh Factory New. And when I saw it, I thought, oh my god, you know, how convenient you create uh, you know, an artist who can be fully controlled, fully manipulated, do everything you say. It goes against all of the legendary rock bands that were in the past were rebellious and had their own personality. But when you talk about it, creating your own avatar, it means it's your own twin, right? It's your baby, it's your art project, and you are in charge of it, right? You're not some, you know, creepy, creepy guy in the background telling that AI, you know, um uh I don't know, AI persona what to do, right? In a sense, you have like a 19-year-old Brazilian girl, you know.
SPEAKER_03:Right?
SPEAKER_01:I mean it's kind of creepy, but in the sense I love that it's coming from you because you are an artist, right? It's your vision, it's your project. You have full control of how it's presented, what does it do? So, how do you see the future of that project? What are you planning to do with it? Yeah, so um sorry, by the way, is it the right way to say project? Sorry, especially.
SPEAKER_03:I guess project overall, I started uh it that's how it became Lil Loves, actually. I'll tell you, yes, yes, let's talk a little bit more about that. Yeah, it started with me trying to make an avatar for myself and just seeing where it lands, seeing how it can help me. Obviously, I realized okay, maybe creating a full fleshed cyborg robot, you know, it's too early, and then AI is not there yet. Okay, let me start somewhere with just visuals, just 3D version of me, you know, digital version of me. And that's kind of how it started, to be honest. Uh, I tried an ava to make avatar of myself, then I made it for my partner at the time, my best friend at the time, and then like you know, it's just I started making it for other people, and I started getting clients, and that's how Lillian Loves was born, pretty much. I called it um digital avatar incubator. And so then the NFT times hit uh the NFT boom, and then everyone uh in the metaverse as well, and then everyone wanted an avatar, all of a sudden Paris Hilton did one, but I think Madonna did one, and so you know, Doja did one, so everyone was trying to get into it, and it kind of like lined up in a way where it just became popular. So what I was doing was kind of like at the right time, uh, and I've already learned the workflow that I had, and I was working on the proprietary facial scanning app, and you know, there was just like all these little things I was working on it. And um, yeah, uh shortly after um Photogenics uh got in touch with me, and they wanted to become the first modeling agency to have their own uh avatars, um to like a whole division of models from real models, not just some made-up models, right? Uh uh where you have to come up with a story. Yeah, it's just like an actual clone. And I feel like that's kind of the mission of Lillem Labs is to clone everyone and bring everyone on the metaverse slowly. And of course, like if I do it by myself, like it'll take me like I don't know, 5,000 years. But you know, that's why I was thinking, yeah, maybe I can start with an app, facial scanning app, where people can just scan them and put themselves out there on the metaverse and just like already either make some content if they need, or you know, um kind of um interact with that.
SPEAKER_01:Um yeah, but let me correct you actually. So you said you were and the right was appropriate at that time, but the way I know you, you were always ahead of everybody, at least like three steps ahead. When first NFTs came in, I'm like, okay, Nina already has her whole fashion portfolio and whole a lot of like fashion works and NFTs, right? Of the 3D models, you were the first one. So AI models, you were the first one. So you kind of the pioneer I mean, in my idea, you are the pioneer of AI fashion and you meticulously brought brand blend technology, fashion, art in a way that not many people can do it. You must acquire very specific technical skill and patience, right? To work with this project. Tell us a little bit about the behind-the-scenes project uh process of working on this AI project.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, I would say patience for sure. Part of the reason, actually, I'm slowly moving away from 3D into like fully AI, uh, because it's just so much faster, less troubleshooting, uh more realistic, because people would still get this like uncomfortable, uncanny valley from 3D models because it's the technology is just still not there yet. And then just even doing facial rigging, you know, moving the 3D model from software between software, always something going wrong with the skeleton and like with the bones inside like the the 3D model skeleton, basically how you make the model move or dance, or you know, like for example, you wear these suits and then the model kind of repeats what you were doing. But like we did this project for Disney, and then like you know, we've been planning the this shoot for like three months, and then the day off, like just the suit wouldn't connect, you know. Like there's just like all these like weird little things, and then it starts of course it starts working by the end of the shoot, like you know, like all these little things that you have to troubleshoot all the time with 3D or motion capture that you just have to be aware of, and no matter how technically skilled you could be, there's just always you know room for um uh you know for error, right? For some sort of error. But you know, there's a beauty in that because you really practice your uh problem solving skills in that and just like working under pressure and then you've come up with creative ideas. So I think in a way that's that's cool. But I do enjoy that you know, with AI you you can just get results faster and they're uh they're more realistic, and it's just you you can just create so much. Like I'm like, okay.
SPEAKER_01:So how do you distinguish yourself with AI? Because of course now it's so uh you know publicly available, everybody's doing it now. How do you find that unique voice and make it yours using AI?
SPEAKER_03:I would say that's something I haven't struggled with with AI. I guess like since I I have such a like wide experience already, I've been I think I gotten into photography I was in 2009, you know, like after like I after modeling. So it's just uh kind of like I don't know, it's just been a second that I've been doing that and uh it's been really organic for you, right? Yeah, it's been organic in a way that I already developed my original style. And so and when I was working, let's say between photography and 3D, people would already be confused because the way I retouch pictures already looks a little bit 3D. I take them to another, you know, in a bit another level. And same with with uh 3D, I make it so realistic that that sometimes you can't even tell what it is.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, even for me, I was like looking at your uh at your imagery. I'm like, which one is AI, which one is edited, which one is real photo shoot? Like you know, you really you know have the skill to blend it so perfectly.
SPEAKER_03:I think uh I just don't like having like stereotypes or labels on things, so I just like to keep some sort of mystery for people to look at it and be just feel something, you know, be a little bit confused but fascinated at the same time, curious about what's going on, what it is, and try to figure it out. I think that's kind of like a healthy way to interact with your audience, you know.
SPEAKER_01:So, how would you describe it? I mean, in my opinion, I would describe it like futuristic fetishism.
SPEAKER_03:I like that.
SPEAKER_01:That's an interesting one.
SPEAKER_03:I don't know how would you describe it yourself, but I mean, yeah, I enjoy futuristic topics. I think topics on sexuality are important as well, especially for women, you know, because it's a way for us to kind of take some power back uh instead of being fetishized, especially being an Asian woman, you know. And then um I also enjoy discussing like spiritual literature topics and philosophical topics as well. Um, you know, things about like witchcraft and astrology. Like I wanna do these like uh a page of like AI memes with different like astrology jokes and etc. Um yeah, and then like my new venture, I guess like next week I wanna just also venture out into uh music as well. And I try to play with AI music or just use it as a demo and then um okay.
SPEAKER_01:Let's dive into that a little bit. I know we want sorry, I jumped right. No, let's I mean, since you already touched upon, so of course, you you you're an artist, a multifaceted artist, right? You've done photography and art and 3D, so now you are venturing into music. So tell us, you know, exactly how you're planning to enter this, you know, overpopulated uh field. Yeah.
SPEAKER_03:Well, in a way, I've been working behind the scenes on music also about since 2019 as well. Even though like my first interaction was like when I was six, I got invited to like a school choir, but I ran away because I was just like a little too scared and it got me traumatized in a way. So it's like I always had this like love-hate situation with music where I just felt too vulnerable to like fully dive in or and allow myself to express like that. Um, but I think uh yeah, I've been working a lot behind the scenes on this part, and I feel like it's time, and especially with uh like we talked about with the boom of AI, and you know, AI being able to just copy pretty much anything. I feel like it's important to truly understand who you really are at your core, understand your character, and understand that um AI can copy what you do, but it cannot necessarily copy you, right? So it's like if you're truly authentic to yourself, um you'll just always be your be yourself, and that's something that's hard to replicate.
SPEAKER_01:Um so you're pretty much using AI as a tool, right? Yeah, so it's a tool, so yeah, of course anybody can create, but nowadays, of course, you can easily determine like cheap, you know, AI looks really tacky, yeah, and you can see something very, very immaculate, something so extraordinary, like oh my god, how what was going on inside of that person's head to create that, right? I guess it gives you the freedom to really put your ideas, you know, into paper on the screen, right? Exactly.
SPEAKER_03:I would say it's just one of those tools, just like my camera, just like my computer, just like the 3D software, it's just one of the tools.
SPEAKER_01:Just like a brush with oil. Yeah, exactly.
SPEAKER_03:Just like the brush. It's like one of the tools that I'm using, and it just helps me uh speed up my workflow, but it doesn't mean that I just using that one tool in the end of the day, then I go and like edit it, then I use like five to ten different AI tools to create one piece, you know. Like then I go in and just like fix little things, just like I would do actually with photography retouching, like you know, adjust enhance something, adjust hair or clothing, coloring, like there's still a lot of things and like there's a big process that goes into it. It's not just like oh you put like a free work, creative input, right?
SPEAKER_01:Like you're constantly fine-tuning.
SPEAKER_03:Exactly.
SPEAKER_01:So, Nina, how do you see how do you see AI in the projects that you do you being used commercially? Do you see commercial success with this project and how?
SPEAKER_03:Uh yeah, currently actually uh I'm working on um a lot of fun projects with artists, with other artists as well, and uh in a way that helps me to push my own artistry because I'm kind of using them in a way as inspiration, just seeing how uh popular and how hardworking they are, and you know, um there's a semi like big big scale artist in a way, and so for me to just be able to contribute to what they're doing and see it on like a big screen, doing the visuals for them or creative direction, or just like you know, photography, video, or some sort of uh other like visual conceptual aesthetics. Um I would say it helps me to kind of like be in the zone to continue doing it for myself as well.
SPEAKER_01:Um what is in demand? What those artists are how do you are you creating the avatars for them or animating the artwork? What exactly is it?
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, a bit of both. Uh via doing the avatars, we're kind of diving into like creative direction. Like, for example, we build like a whole visual universe for this one artist that I'm working with, or I'm doing live visuals for another artist uh doing their tour to visuals. But um, you know, sometimes some of them want to work with avatars, some don't, some want to use the avatars kind of like as pictures, and then some we just use them as references to kind of understand, you know, oh, would that look go for them? Would that concept work work for them? And it's actually just yeah, easier for them to imagine. A lot of people actually have a hard time imagining things if you don't show it to them. So when you show it right on their face, like, oh, this is you in that setting wearing that outfit with this kind of hair, it's gonna look good. Like, look at this. And so it it's easier to sell ideas, like sell ideas. Yeah.
SPEAKER_01:So speaking of selling ideas, do you see any um brands that will jump on this train and you know you can get like big paid projects using I?
SPEAKER_03:Uh I've definitely done some big projects with 3D and avatars, okay. Uh including my own or others. Uh there was like an art collaboration that I did. Wow. Uh we did a few exhibitions for my friend Victoria Modesta uh with her with her avatar as well. Uh we did um there's some projects I did with my avatar for Dior and Lofficiel, and then different magazines. Um we did um Netflix, like a documentary. There's a demand, right?
SPEAKER_01:There is there is some demand, but it's not big. It's not big yet, right?
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, how we were talking about pioneering the space, in a way, um, yes, there's some people that are at the forefront of technology, but then I would say the majority, and that's kind of like my bubble in a way where I'm in, but then truly the majority of people are still a little bit behind in a way, and there's a lot of pushback against um AI because I feel like people are just scared and not ready for change. Uh, and they're taking uh some time to adapt, just like with the internet or with the computers, or with even cameras, you know, like the painters when you were moving from paper and like brush and paper into photography, people were just really um angry at that.
SPEAKER_01:But do you think they uh they are um angry or um they're actually trying to preserve the humanity?
SPEAKER_03:I think there's a little bit of both. Yeah, I think we also need to understand what is driving the AI in the end, it's uh the human humanity driven by humans. Right, the humanity and their moral shortcomings are the ones in a way that are driving the AI. So the AI in itself isn't the enemy, it's just the way the social standards are, the way uh the society is. So if people would be less power-hungry and like greedy and you know, would maybe think about how to um regulate these things in advance and just kind of like plan it out rather than just do it as a cash grab, oh you know, it's like an AI race or technology race, whoever gets to that first. You know, so it's just in a way like a dick measuring contest, you know.
SPEAKER_01:Well, the thing, okay, I get it, but let's say if we talk about specific, let's say fashion industry, right? I know some big brands like HM, they use the clone the models, right? And the girls were saying, Oh my god, it's so great. I can be in the same day in Japan and like, you know, in London, and you know, take part of all these multiple projects at the same time. And their fear is that we're losing you know the humanity. So now everything is AI. Now brands are hiring the digital artists, right? Which is good for you, right? But let's say that's what the modeling models are re rebelling, because they're saying, okay, our jobs being taken by AI. Same with cinematography, right? You know, actors protesting that saying, okay, now my face could be cloned and used by AI, and now I'm no longer needed.
SPEAKER_03:So what you were talking about, uh that's kind of like my idea of digital immortality that once you create your twin, you can actually like you reuse your face and do like free campaigns in several cities, like you know, Paris, Tokyo, right? Like all this New York, you can be in several places at the same time and not worry about it. I think the issue, like I said again, like the the moral um backbone behind it. So for example, with photogenics, we had contracts with all the models, they're getting percentage from all the jobs, uh, you know, they they're having ownership of their face. I think some countries, I'm not sure, don't quote me on that. It was either Sweden or one of the um one of the European, maybe Denmark, one of the European countries, they actually decided that um you forever is uh holding uh you you're holding the rights to your face. So if it's ever replicated, you need to get paid for that. So I think if we just regulate it properly and we are um you know truthful and honest about how this technology is being used, I don't think there should be any problems. The problem is that people are just lying and are greedy.
SPEAKER_01:100%. You know, it was so disheartening to see how the image of Marilyn Monroe was abused through so many years, right? I remember there was a live performance of Whitney Houston after her death, they're using her that digital hologram. And I'm thinking those artists never gave approval for the image to be used after their death. And if not if I'm not mistaken, I think Lana Del Rey was one of the first who said, I'm not allowing my image to be used after my death. So I guess what you're saying, which I'm 100% agree, that it needs to be regulated, right? We need to have the freedom, but it needs to be regulated on how it's being used by whom and in which circumstances.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, discuss with family. Right. Uh I think we had a project with the um Frida Kahlo's Foundation, and so we had to go for a family in order to do any sort of decisions, you know. So I feel like if you are transparent about what you're doing, there wouldn't be a problem. But I feel like a lot of people are just doing it kind of in a sneaky way. That's when things get tricky, and that's when the trust is being broken, but then this hate is pointed towards the technology, not towards the people who are misusing it, you know. Right.
SPEAKER_01:But do you think um using uh AI disvalues your art? Let's say if you created a painting, right, that lasted for centuries and generations, if you create something by you know clicking one button, I mean, I'm exaggerating, but by using a prompt, right? It's not gonna be timeless. So is there a reason and you know motivation to keep using AI knowing that it's not gonna be timeless?
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, I mean, in the same way uh people are just doing, you know, phone pictures and like uh putting them in the exhibitions, you know, everything has become so much more uh interchangeable in a way and in and replaceable, and uh the the speed with what people are consuming uh content is so much higher. So I feel like in a way, um you know that doesn't necessarily again, it's all about how much time you put into it because you can spend 10 hours on a painting and then 10 hours on a digital artwork, and the amount of the time is the same. It's like okay, if it just sits in a digital um space, yeah, that's one thing, but if you let's say print it or redraw it or you know bring it out into the real world, then you can give it life, right? So I don't see it in the way of like being less same as photography versus painting. I think it's just the next evolution from photography.
SPEAKER_01:So what do you think it's gonna be? I mean, in your prediction, what's gonna be that next thing? After AI. After AI not gonna singularity, yeah, hey cyborgs, cyborgs?
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, I don't know, transhumans, well uh post-humans we'll see. Uh you mean in terms of art or in the world?
SPEAKER_01:In terms of art, right, right. By the way, sorry, I already can imagine what kind of cyber cyber you could create.
SPEAKER_03:Right.
SPEAKER_01:Anyway, sorry, go ahead.
SPEAKER_03:I'm just thinking in terms of um my biggest concern with what's going on is actually that people will stop learning, and I think education is very important for me as someone who is so curious, and is someone is like who's spending nights to just randomly look up some tutorials till 5 a.m. on YouTube uh university, you know.
SPEAKER_01:That's why you're so good. Yeah, I don't know.
SPEAKER_03:I just I just have maybe it's called mental illness. No, it's called determination and discipline, um curiosity or distractions, but anyway, yeah. Um, I would say I think the most important part is for people to just keep learning. It doesn't matter what you're learning, it doesn't matter what tools are you using, as long as you're learning and curious and you have that fire in you and you keep going and you keep learning new things and you keep practicing new skills, it it doesn't have to be only digital. After like years actually of doing the avatars, for a second I had to stop because I just got so tired of like looking into my computer because with photography, at least you're like out there shooting all day long, then you edit, and then when I switched to 3D, I was just in front of my computer 24-7, and that started driving me insane. So then for time I turned to like 3D printing and then I started uh crafting with my hands, I started doing jewelry actually. Oh wow, really? Yeah, so and then like we did like a little um robot sculpture. So it's like you know, it's good to just go back into the real world and touch something, you know, do something with your hands. So yeah, I think um my biggest concern with AI here is that uh people will just get lazy and we already see the overall, like that movie, you know, the um this this about the stupidity. I forgot what it's called.
SPEAKER_01:The movie about stupidity?
SPEAKER_03:Every second call give me a few more clues. Where where everyone is like turning stupid as as well? Oh, I've heard about it. What was it? Yes, yes, that one. Yeah, I've heard about it, yeah. So it's slowly kind of it's like it's like supposed to be funny, but I look at it and I turn really sad because I'm like, this is depressing because this is where we're slowly moving towards, you know. So it's like as long as people are continuing to use these tools as an addition to what they're already doing, not as a replacement, you know, then it should be fine. But if people just get lazy and just yeah, like you said, just put in the prompt and okay, I'm done. That's I I I personally I don't respect that neither, you know. I want people to work to put in the work, and but it's it's fine if you know if you're sitting there and sculpting it with you know in 3D or if you're trained train the data on something that you've done before. Like I I'm not judging people based on how they decide to produce their work, it's more like do they just need to keep producing and and doing it.
SPEAKER_01:Right, right. Well, brain is a muscle, right? It always needs to be flexed, it always needs to be tested and challenged, otherwise we will, you know, just like buddy. Exactly. Yeah. Well, I guess the question is about those people who jumped on this train first and made a lot of money fast. And real artists were outraged because, oh my god, I've been an artist for like 10, 20 years, you know, trying to get into and being in the museums, and then somebody just comes in, presses the button, makes the prints, and sells like thousands of of those, you know, AI prints and makes money out of it. So I guess that was the dilemma saying, okay, how somebody who is not an artist, right, just putting the words out, pressing the button and selling it as labeled as artwork.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah. I mean, I've seen that happen actually, like uh someone saw me posting like all these tests I did with mid-journey at the time, and someone literally just like kind of copied what I was doing and then sold their work, and then like, oh you inspired me, thank you so much. Like I became an AI artist now, you know, based because like you inspired me with what you do. It wasn't stealing my work, but it's just like I guess like the workflow. So, but you know, and then like they went off and uh we're selling like Like at Christie's, and I think they sold it for like 300k, like the collection. So in a way, I mean I was like, you know what? That's in a way a compliment. Like, I'm glad. Like, I'm I understand it's um not the most pleasant sometimes feeling that okay, you've been doing this for so many years, but I feel like if you keep uh complaining about everything in your life, you're not gonna get anywhere, you know? So just just just look what's in front of you and don't look what other people are doing, you know.
SPEAKER_01:You know they say copying is the best way of flattering.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah.
SPEAKER_01:So if somebody's copying you, you know, it means you're doing something right.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, exactly. It's like, okay, maybe it's their time now and my my time will be later, and maybe I'll make more money than they did. You know, you never know what the universe has in store for you. But of course, the sure way, if you're gonna sit and complain about that, that nothing is coming your way, then maybe it's not gonna come your way if you're gonna sit and complain about it.
SPEAKER_01:So you actually have to do the work, right? Yeah, yeah. And I love the thing about you that you are multi- multi-talented artists, right? You're not stopping and just doing one thing. Kind of reminds me a little bit of like this punk version of Leonardo da Vinci. Oh, thank you. Wow. It's like Renaissance woman. Yeah, well, because he was doing everything. He was doing like anatomy and art, you know, all these amazing projects at the same time.
SPEAKER_03:His access to education was different, so different. So he's definitely a genius. Yeah.
SPEAKER_01:So speaking of education, how do you think what is the best way to acquire knowledge nowadays?
SPEAKER_03:I mean, everything you want is literally at the tips of your, you know, of your fingers, uh, just tutorials. Yeah, yeah, tutorials, Chat GPT, uh, whatever Gemini, you know, Anthropic, etc. So just having like that goal and it's more like having curiosity for the world and like knowing what you want, knowing what you want to know, and then continue asking, but then also retaining that knowledge. Because one thing if you just kind of like read through it and forget about it, and everything if you um practically build your own curriculum in a way, you know, uh that you um continue studying on what you're looking up, not just looking up for the sake of right, right.
SPEAKER_01:So, have you experienced in in in your personal journey where you do something that you really really love, but what becomes successful or commercially successful is something different from what you thought it would be. For example, if you do photography and you love it, but you became more successful with 3D or vice versa. Did you notice anything in your similar things in your personal journey where a certain venture you take and put your heart in, not as financial or commercial successful, something else you didn't expect that you started doing?
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, I think when I started doing like jewelry randomly, it kind of just happened. Like I was doing uh uh I was making a present for my friend, and then I was like, Oh then I was like, oh, that's actually fun. Then my friend invited then I was like, oh maybe I'll just post them on Etsy or whatever, and then my friend is like, oh, come to my showroom, show them in my showroom. So it's like then people start taking it to shoots, and now it's like I had some celebrities like Beck Street Boys and like um uh Halsey and like others like use it in their own. What piece of jewelry was it? It was just actually the jewelry that they used in the end was like simple heart earrings with like you know silver like little things that I did, or like this, like I've designed this like corset bra that I've really printed uh that and like these nails that was used in the video for the dancers. So it's like those little things that are unexpected. Actually, in the same way how I ended up in fashion world, I was just doing um back when I was living in Vietnam, I was doing a lot of like um behind kind of like event uh like festival videography or like fashion like show videography, but behind the scenes, and then like people from Elle magazine in Vietnam, they noticed me and they were just like, oh, how about you actually shoot for the magazine itself, not not just a show. And and that's when I was coming to the shows, I realized I don't want to be the photographer that's shooting the runway, I actually want to be the photographer inside the magazine, you know? So it's like little things like that, and and that happened randomly for me, just like doing like a favor for someone. I ended up at that fashion show and then El Vietnam saw me, you know.
SPEAKER_01:So I just you would think it's a coincidence, but it wasn't. Yeah, exactly.
SPEAKER_03:So it's like sometimes you do these things as a favor to someone, you know, and then it may lead you somewhere where you didn't expect, like somewhere where you didn't even wouldn't even dream to meet those people, you know.
SPEAKER_01:So you just mentioned in Vietnam. So tell us about your journey. So you speak Russian, but you were born in Vietnam.
SPEAKER_03:Uh actually, yeah, I uh I'm half Georgian, half Vietnamese. Half Georgian, half Vietnamese. Yes, my mom is is Vietnamese, my dad is Georgian.
SPEAKER_01:Oh, okay, what a mix.
SPEAKER_03:Yes, yes. I was born in Russia, but then I lived in Georgia right away for a couple of years, but I don't remember any of that. Apparently, I even spoke the language. Like my city is like 15 minutes away from Stalin's house. Uh like you spoke alien language. Yeah, like I I don't remember any of that, but um then I lived in Ukraine and I have Ukrainian citizenship. So it's like I'm all over the place. Then like um I went back, studied at the university, and then went to Vietnam for a couple months, ended up in Vietnam for three years, and then I you know met my ex at the time, then we went to uh to the states. Um, so yeah. So you like you were all over the place? Yeah, I just let the world guide me.
SPEAKER_01:So so let me ask you this do you feel belonging to a specific culture since you've been traveling and your parents coming from such different backgrounds?
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, I would say definitely that's one thing that I've always kind of in a way not struggled with, but it's just like identity. Um like in being in search for your own identity, something I've always kind of been working on, like culturally and in general, like I just felt always like the odd one out, you know. Uh so yeah, it's just really been hard for me to kind of feel like I fit in anywhere, and I just started embracing that.
SPEAKER_01:You know, every time guest says something profound, I have goosebumps, I always say it, and I just realized you in search of your identity, you created your whole universe, you know, in a sense, you created your own world searching for identity, but that funneled you and gave you the energy and the strength and motivation to create something completely new that didn't exist before.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, I guess in a way, because it's just when you feel like you don't belong in this world and you just can't find your place or you people. I mean, I feel like now I found my my people and I do feel like LA is is the place that I really relate to and just enjoy being around so many amazing artists, even though it has its own shortcomings too, but you know, in a way it's just the energy, it's it's something that's really hard to to get anywhere else in the world. But yeah, I mean I've been always struggling with like, you know, growing up, uh an Asian kid in, you know, in a very Slavic community. That's something I've been struggling as well with like, you know, racism and bullying and that and that. But um, you know, kind of accepting that Asian part of myself, uh, something that I had to like learn over the years, only after so many years of like struggling with identity and just like learning that. And you know, uh then I started discovering more about Georgia. Like I did the DNA test, and there's certain things about me and my family that I also found out, and I was like, oh, okay, like that makes sense. There's just like so many more new things, uh yeah, that I found out. And so I've been kind of learning more about Georgian culture, and I've always been fascinated by Georgian um alphabet, and just like what is so special about it? Tell us it's just so beautiful. It looks like uh elven, you know, like the elven language in Lord of the Rings. No, I yeah, it it kind of looks like that like on the ring. Oh, okay, like you know that hieroglyphy. Yeah, yeah. Very pretty, like almost Arabic like Sanskrit, like in the very beautiful language. I actually thought like that it was a beautiful alphabet for a really long time. And so I've been learning more about that culture as well. I want to go there too and like kind of reconnect, maybe find my family there. You know, there's just like so many interesting things about different cultures that I got to be a part of. I also like always kind of since I've been doing like cross-playing and part of the anime community for so long, I also kind of ingrow in like um engross myself into Japanese culture a lot, and then I've grew up with a lot of Chinese people. My stepdad is Chinese. So there's many, many cultures I kind of felt in the world.
SPEAKER_01:Well you mixed everything up and made it yours, right? I I guess, I guess, yeah. It just happens like that, yeah. So so finding your identity and you know, finding where you belong, and you work in such a creative field, and you're in a lay. Let's talk about relationship a little bit, you know. Let's touch upon like for a few minutes. D how hard is it or how easy it is for you personally to be in a long-lasting relationship doing what you do?
SPEAKER_03:Um, I would say overall, I'm pretty like I I've been in like one six-year-old relationship, six-year relationship, and then a five-year relationship. And uh, you know, the first partner helped me understand I actually want someone who's creative but also is ambitious and something someone who's doing something about it. That's kind of like what I felt was lacking the most in the first relationship, outside of other, you know, things, things that didn't work out. Um, and then in the second uh big uh you know relationship, uh we've been kind of growing a lot together and doing a lot of things together, you know. So it was kind of like a male counterpart that where he was doing also like everything like from 3D and filmmaking and modeling and that and music. So in in that way, it just felt comfortable to be with someone who is like that as well. Um, yeah, and I mean I feel like it's important for me to be with someone who is somewhat creative. They don't have to do art or be a musician necessarily, but I feel like creativity is something that's part of your personality, right? So it's like even a lawyer or you know, or banker can be creative. Yeah, right. Or like a you know, a a tech person could be could be creative too, as long as it's just something within their blood, something that they're using. Uh just like it's like a different view on the world, I think. Uh what about scientists?
SPEAKER_01:I mean scientists very creative, no? Very creative. Like in the lab making and mixing the portions.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, I have some friends uh of that work for NASA and for JPL because we did some projects together. And they're very creative. They they actually enjoy working on like those weird sculptures that we were doing. With the science guy, maybe, yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_01:I mean, I'm pretty open. Yeah. So what are the so what are the qualities in your partner important to you, the most important to you, besides obviously being aligned?
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, I'd say creativity, loyalty, intellect, um uh being kind of true like truthful is important because I'm the kind of person that I I don't really like lying and it's just like not something It's so crazy we even have to like I don't know if the bar is so low and I low, I can't believe we have to be safe, we want a loyal partner.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, no, I agree. Because like, should it be like a given? You know, you want loyalty, you want the commitment, right? Only a few people by the way, let's let's let me dive in. What do you think about this? Are you for monogamous relationship or for like polyama responsibility?
SPEAKER_03:I think I'm mostly monogamous. Monogamous, yeah.
SPEAKER_01:What do you think about those couples who are like together and saying, well, looking for a third person to add into our happy relationship?
SPEAKER_03:I mean, if that works for them, like why not? If they're understanding their needs, I can see how like maybe one person cannot fully satisfy you, but I think you just have to have like a life outside of your partner, you know. Um and maybe that's why some couples are facing difficulties with that. They get bored because maybe they spend too much time together and they don't have their own life, so they become each other's worlds. Um yeah, I think um I think someone who's also like very aware and is willing to grow, because I'm constantly growing, either within my career or spiritually, like that's very important to me. So someone who's always gonna be stuck in their trauma and not able to heal past that, I think that that's just something that someone who's not gonna be able to keep up with me for sure.
SPEAKER_01:From my experience, there are so many people unfortunately coming with trauma from their childhood, right?
SPEAKER_03:Something is I mean, me too, so I understand.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, so it's like something.
SPEAKER_03:Do you think it's the you know pitfalls in the society in general or well, I think you know, as someone who is coming where I come from, I was still able to find like the power in me to not let my background hinder my, you know, my success and like where I'm going. And unfortunately, I know a lot of people who are faced with similar um, you know, conditions, but then they kind of just end up blaming the world for their problems and just not growing. So I think it's just like I said, being aware and being uh spiritual in a way is important to kind of keep wanting to grow and keep wanting to be better and not blame everyone for something that you can't control. What what is spiritual to you? Um, spiritual, I guess, in a way, is just someone who is aware, like aware meaning is trying to be present and it's trying to be better, is trying to um um okay. So there's a few practices that I'm I'm doing. Yes. Uh some of them is like, for example, one of them is vipassana, it's like a silent retreat uh that you can do it's like a 10-day thing where you're like when you're blind and that's a different one. I do that's the next one. That's the next one I want to do. That that's that one that one is you like live in the darkness for like what seven days. Yes, and then you see a sliver of light, and you're just like, whoa, that's very interesting to me. I haven't tried that. I think that's the next level. The one I'm doing is ten days, you're just silent. Okay, you don't talk, and ideally, you try to avoid uh eye contact, you live by the five precepts, like the rules don't kill, don't steal, don't lie, don't cheat, and no intoxicants. So ever since I've done that, I've been sober and I'm trying to kind of like uh live by those precepts as as much rules as much as I can. Um and you you pretty much just meditate all day long from four from 4 a.m. to 9 p.m. Wow. Yeah, you just take breaks and then you know they it it's completely free. Uh it's all donation-based. You you can come stay there, they feed you, people come to volunteer. So, what I did my second time, I came for like almost three weeks. It was like 19 days in the end. I came uh four days before I was serving, so I was like cleaning and cooking and like doing woodworking on new New Year's. Like, I was like, that's the best new year of my life. Not at some party, but like woodworking in the middle of the woods for this like meditation center, you know. And in the end, like whatever I just realizing that whatever I'm doing, this like selfless service, that what they call it, uh yeah, like you're not getting paid, but you're uh contributing to happiness of like hundred people, you know, more than a hundred people that come out of this course and they're all smiling and their world has literally just changed, and you just I don't know, it it it really gives back, you know. Um where was it against or it was Vipassana you said? Vipassana. Vipassana, where where exactly was it? Oh, there's they're all across the world everywhere. Yeah, there's like three in California. There's one in the desert, one uh Norfolk, where I went like towards uh and then one like past San Francisco. So there's like at least three official ones in California, there's at least one in Texas, like some in New York, like they're across the world and across the states.
SPEAKER_01:So hold on, let's stay here for a second. So you went for that experience, how long was it?
SPEAKER_03:Usually it's 10 days, but I went for longer because I I wanted to serve before and after it. So serve. Serve, like meaning just like helping as staff. Okay, and then I went for a course. So like I was uh I was doing in between courses basically, like there's like three days that people a couple three, four days that people take to like clean and prepare the center for the next group. Uh so you can use it. You stay there, you help you either clean or cook or do maintenance. Like like I said, I was doing woodworking on New Year's, that was incredible. Um, and then yes, and then I went to the to the course for 10 days, so I was just sitting it. Uh, and then when course ended, I stayed for an hour, four days to to help serve again. And then I was gonna stay actually, I was almost wanting to stay for an hour ten days to serve again, but then I had a job, and then also the fires happened, and I had no idea it was.
SPEAKER_00:It was just recently, right?
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, it was this year. Yeah, literally I'm I'm coming out of my course, and like I have like hundreds of messages on my phone, like, Nina, are you okay? How about the fires? I was like, what fires is freezing in here? I'm like silent. Yeah, no, it was snowing where I was. Snowing, yeah, almost snowing, yeah. Wow. Uh it was like snowing a couple days, then it was like freezing cold, it was storm. So I was like, what fires? What are you guys talking about? I I had no idea.
SPEAKER_01:Like in one sentence, how would you describe it? Unflockable, like unflockable with, like in a way that's indestructible. So it made you so resilient.
SPEAKER_03:Yes, like I would say for three months, like literally nothing could annoy me, nothing could get to me. I also didn't even have any like like any intrusive thoughts. It's like people would be like, What are you thinking about? I'm like, nothing. They're like, what do you mean? I'm like, literally nothing. Like, there's no thoughts in my head. It's great.
SPEAKER_01:It's but hold on, but creative creatively wise, did you feel more creative or did you have new ideas after that or no? Oh my god.
SPEAKER_03:The second I turned off my phone, because you go in there, there's no phones, nothing, not even books, you can't even work out, nothing. So the second every time I go there, the first three days, I'm just flooded with ideas. Like I write a whole like album idea, uh collection, clothing collection idea, three music videos. Like there's just like you start bursting. The second you turn off your phone and and cut off all that external noise that's coming into you, and the second you spend time with yourself and work on yourself, you you just flood it. Like literally.
SPEAKER_01:You just become this energy bubble, right?
SPEAKER_03:You need to allow yourself to listen to yourself, to your inner voice, not to what other people tell you.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, it's true because every day we're so distracted, right? With the TV, with the phone, with the news, you know, with the messages, with the ears. Yeah, you don't have time for yourself. Yeah, if you maybe have to calculate and put a timer, how how much time I had today, like just to be in stillness and think about my ideas, probably would be like what, five five minutes a day, or maybe never.
SPEAKER_03:Exactly, which is why I think meditating is very important.
SPEAKER_01:Okay, so you mentioned we have two technique two spiritual techniques. One was vi vipassana.
SPEAKER_03:Vipassana is like the main one, definitely. Like it just helps you to just get into this indestructible mode for sure. And understand everything. Like I I've been in spirituality since like 19. I was reading a lot of like Carlos Castaneda and all the other books and Osho, etc. etc. Um, I would say like now I really enjoy books of Joe Dispenza, and then there's the Silva method, too. It's the guy Silver Method. Yeah, have you heard about it? Uh this guy, he was like a radio technician, and he just wanted to help his daughter to um uh to learn better in school and so she would pay attention because she was failing her whatever her her grades, and uh literally he developed some sort of system based on the frequencies because he was a radio guy and not only she became better, uh she started before he even asked the question, she would already answer it. So, in a way, it was like some sort of telepathetic understanding, uh-huh. Or she would like look at the book or like either read it once or look even like look at it or like look through it, and she would already like memorize what's inside the book. So it's like some crazy, you know, effects of it. Uh and I think the main method in there is just like deep relaxation and turning yourself into the alpha state. That's another thing I like doing, like quantum jumping. It's like trying to relax your body and your mind as much as possible, get into the alpha state and jump into like a you know hold on, let's slow down.
SPEAKER_01:I'm just you just exploded my brain. Getting into the alpha state of consciousness. Of consciousness? Okay, just rewind a little bit back here.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, alpha state of mind. Basically, the mind has several uh states of consciousness. I think I kind of forgot the names of it. I think the regular one is the better state that that we are in every day.
SPEAKER_02:Right.
SPEAKER_03:And then when we slow it down a little bit, uh I I forgot the like there's the different action frequencies. Yeah, there's like actual like frequencies that you operate. You you can literally like uh hook up like an EEG machine or some sort of machine to your brain and see on what frequency it operates. And so like the faster you think and the more agitated you are, the faster the frequencies are. And so it you can literally like you know slow yourself down to the state of coma, you know. So like um there's the alpha state where you kind of like rem slip, you know, like uh which slip? REM sleep. What is it? When you're in the REM sleep, like the deepest state of the way when you have like the deepest like dreams.
SPEAKER_01:Okay, so the deep deep sleep. Okay.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, kind of like a deep sleep in a way, yeah. The REM state. Uh so it's it's like the med meditative state, right? And then there's the uh like even lower, you can lower your frequencies so much uh that um okay, not lower the frequency, but frequency of slow down, maybe. Yeah, slow down the frequency. Okay. Not lower, slow down the frequencies to the point where you could put yourself almost like in a coma state. Like you you have uh such a very um very slow basically frequency.
SPEAKER_01:Maybe even right?
SPEAKER_03:Maybe almost like yeah, slowing down. I I think I was playing with like uh slowing down and fastening my heartbeat sometimes. Like I was watching it on the on the iWatch or whatever. And like I was playing it. Did you do it? I thought I did because it was going crazy. Like I thought I did in you It was like from 50 to 200. It was like going crazy. I don't know if I was if if it was some sort of malfunction. Malfunction or something. I I thought it worked, but again, I'm not sure if that's something that you can do. But again, yes, there's just like several um types of uh state of consciousness, and then you know, there's slower states of consciousness and faster where you're like in um you know flow state, they say. Uh you get in some people say you get in this flow state if you have like a little run, and then um you have a coffee. Ah, like an anxiety, no? Or not an anxiety. So anxiety too.
SPEAKER_01:I mean like a little agitated.
SPEAKER_03:Yes, but that's like a little bit unhealthy state in a way where you're overthinking it, but there's a healthy state on that where you feel very inspired. Oh so basically, yeah, there's like many different states of that, and just being able to kind of control yourself in a way where you can uh jump, not jump, but like basically move between those states between frequency, and then within those frequencies, you're able to manifest or call onto let's say the scenario that you desire uh more likely to to attract it, to manifest it. Way we call it quantum jumping.
SPEAKER_01:Quantum jumping.
SPEAKER_03:Yes, so you basically jump from this reality that you're in, you imagine this like other reality where your ideal self is like that movie, um everything all at once, you know. I think so.
SPEAKER_01:I was thinking about the jumper, now it's a different one.
SPEAKER_03:V the Asian lady that won Oscars.
SPEAKER_01:And Dustin knows all the movies.
SPEAKER_03:Everything all at once, right? Okay. Uh so that movie basically she was jumping through all these realities. Um, and same here, you kind of find the version of yourself that you want to align with and you join with that version of yourself. And of course, it doesn't work 100% of the time. Right, right. But then the more you do it, the more you practice it, there's a chance that one of those times out of the hundred times will work, right? And so did you personally experience something closer to that? Definitely. I did. I had some something. So one time I forgot my pa I lost my passport at the airport. Okay. Like I was flying to kind of like Tunis. Um I was going to South of France. Yeah. Uh I was flying Tunis and I was stopping at Frankfurt and then uh from LA. And at the airport in Frankfurt, I just just like lost my passport. I don't know. I was running around trying to get into the flight. And then it just disp it just disappeared like into the thin air. Like it happens.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah.
SPEAKER_03:And um yeah, there's nothing I could do, and I'm stranded in there, and it was like Friday night. So I'm there stranded for the weekend because the the embassy is opening on Monday. So I'm just like, what am I supposed to do in Frankfurt? And I actually had to like come and see some family in South France. I was like, I need to, and they're only there for a couple days. So I'm like, I need to get to Nice, like today.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah.
SPEAKER_03:And it just wasn't happening. So I went, they gave me a hotel. I went to the hotel, and I was like, okay, I'm just gonna do everything that I have in my pocket, like in terms of like yeah, in um what is it called? In my magic bag, right? In terms of like Oh, I see. Not not like the in terms of like the methods. I'm like, okay, I'm gonna do this meditation, that meditation, that meditation, I'm gonna try everything you knew. Everything I know, yes. So yeah, I did like the silver method and the quantum jumping, and while I was like imagining just going back to the airport, and because I was going like for six hours, I was looking for the passport between all the like police stations and everything, and I just could not. It just wasn't there. No one saw it, no one saw it on camera. So I'm just like, who well, okay, maybe some people need I already got my American passport, so it was American passport. So I'm like, okay, maybe one someone wanted to steal it, but I'm in Frankfurt, like who? You know, like that's weird. Anyway, while um I was like, okay, I'm just gonna come to the airport and I'm gonna fly. Everything's gonna be fine. Like, I'm gonna find a passport, I'm gonna be fine.
SPEAKER_01:And um so you're in a hotel room trying the silver method, trying the quantum jumping.
SPEAKER_03:I go to the airport at 6 a.m. That's when the police station is opening, and they're like, okay, in the morning we will know for sure if we get it or not, if someone brings it back. If not, it's likely it's gone. I went there, they didn't see it. I was like, I was like, okay, I don't know what to do. I was like, you know what, let me just try. And so I just went to the counter. I already had my ticket, right? Printed out. I just did not have the passport and they wouldn't let me in, even though you know it's uh within the Shengan area, but still they were like, okay, you need a passport to fly. I was like, you know what, I'm just gonna try it. So I was trying to check in. This lady's like, I don't know if they're gonna let you in, but sure, you can just go for and you know, the second she said, sure, just try it, like, good luck. It was also, I think, the um uh the FIFA um oh the FIFA or the FIFA time, so the championship, so it's like it was crazy. The immigration was crazy, they were checking everyone very, very meticulously. And yeah, I just went in there, and for some reason, where I went in, it was just the machines, and just scanning my um ticket, the ticket was enough, and so there was not a single person, and literally the whole flight, uh the the whole like airport journey from like from just coming from the hotel to Frankfurt Airport and getting in the airplane, not a single person stopped me or asked me anything. So I did one flight, then on the way, and I was like, okay, that worked. Uh I I didn't find my passport, but I I got it, you know, there. Now I need to quantum jumped. Yeah, now I need to get back to Berlin to get to like apply for a passport. Okay, how do I do the second flight? And then similar thing happens on the second flight. No one asks me for a passport up until right before the um the gate. Yes, no one somehow it's like also the machines. I got lucky, and even though it's Nice, it's a smaller airport. Uh-huh. Somehow no one was asking for anything. I was fine with just the ticket, and then like just at the gate, someone was asking for a passport, and I just kind of like you know, played a little dumb, a little blonde or whatever. I was just like, oh yeah, yeah, it's here. And then I was just like kind of like, yeah.
SPEAKER_01:So it worked. It worked, yeah. Literally. So do you think okay, now do you think it was luck, or do you think it was the method that you used?
SPEAKER_03:I think both. I mean, well, the method that I used it was the lucky self. Jumping to your lucky self. Ah.
SPEAKER_01:So it was it was jumping to your lucky self.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, that one is on Mind Valley, actually. Um the what? Mind Valley. Mind Valley? Yeah, it's like uh it's like the the website where you can get all these like different meditation cards. Okay, Mind Valley. It's a website where you can get different meditation. Yeah, I worked for them like when I first moved to LA. Like my my the marketing agency that I worked for, we did a project for them, and that's how I knew about them. And now they kind of got gotten big within like the spirituality sector. Okay. They're like the number one app.
SPEAKER_01:I'm gonna look into that quantum jumping.
SPEAKER_03:So one of them is the quantum jumping uh forgot the guy, he's like 80 years old, and he's just like, Oh yeah, today I want to be a singer, and so I'm gonna quantum jump, and then all of a sudden he has perfect pitch, you know, or like all of a sudden he can paint. I don't know, like at 80 years old, he like gets all these new skills. So I would say if you keep doing it, you just need to keep practicing it, right?
SPEAKER_01:I guess it's also a practice, right? It's not something you just get, right? Yeah, happen to have.
SPEAKER_03:I think your your thoughts are energy, so like it's like I said, what we were talking about if you keep complaining that nothing is coming your way and Everyone else is getting paid and you're not getting paid, then it's if that's what you believe, that's gonna what's gonna happen. So if that's the story that you're telling yourself, you're gonna live that live that movie, that script, right? You know, so if you're telling yourself, Oh, I'm gonna jump into my best version, it's like a pl even even if you're not actually jumping through dimensions, it's like a placebo effect where you start to believe in yourself, you know, and then things are starting coming your way.
SPEAKER_01:So I wish the logical people, scientific people who are very skeptical would listen to this and try. So let's say if somebody is very skeptical listening to this episode right now, what would you tell them?
SPEAKER_03:Okay, so uh if you take water, water retains energy. Everything is energy, right? So I think they did a study where uh they would take a glass of water and they would tell it different things. So one glass of water they said I hate you, and the one they said I love you, you know, like all these different things. I've heard about that.
SPEAKER_01:You know what? I actually was re looking into that. It's something about that the water is intelligent, and I've heard um uh I've heard an idea or theory that why they call it a holy water, if you say prayer over the water, it changes physically the qualities to be the holy water. The molecular structure is literally changes.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, and you can see it also like if you um if you freeze that water, then you can also see uh how it looks like. And also if you look, I think at the different uh like at the pictures of those molecules, uh some of them the the ones that are like with disease or something, they look sharper and just like more dangerous, and then the ones that are like very um uh what's the word? Um opposite from dangerous? Yeah, I guess like opposite from disease. Yeah, they're just like pretty to look at as well. And I think that water like retains its molecular structure and could could get you sick, actually, in a way. Uh that's one of the things.
SPEAKER_01:You know I've heard about it. I mean, I don't want to say in public, but there's a really famous brand of water, right? Um liquid death? Yes, okay. Liquid death, right? I don't drink it. But you don't drink right? So do you believe that if you put certain words right around you on the objects you use, it's psychologically energetic. You can stay away from it. Right?
SPEAKER_03:It kind of gives you. Even though we all like people like I I sometimes like I jump between um diets, so it's like sometimes I eat meat, sometimes I don't. I feel like in a way we still eat death when we eat meat, but then I don't know, but then liquid death, I stretch to stay away. Like right, it's water, but then it's written on it.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah. And speaking of the qualities and water being intelligent, right? If you put that, so you're pretty much like what drinking your own death?
SPEAKER_03:Um if not your own death, but it's definitely not charged. I don't think it's charged with great particles, you know.
SPEAKER_01:Right. Oh, what was sorry, what I was trying to say is like if we follow our logic, right? It's the intention inside that bottle.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah. No, I I I believe it. That's why I try not to drink it if if I don't have to.
SPEAKER_01:Right. Yeah. So what do you what do you drink?
SPEAKER_03:Coconut water. Coconut water. That's my favorite. Yes. I'm actually really bad at like just like remembering to eat or sleep or drink. Some people have to force me sometimes. Yeah. But one thing I can drink all the time is coconut water. I love it.
SPEAKER_01:That's why I have such wonderful skin.
SPEAKER_03:I guess you have glowing.
SPEAKER_01:Oh, thank you. Glowing skin. It's my highlighter. It's your high no, it's probably the everything. It's probably your energy, your your energy field. Well, you have a really beautiful energy, and I learned today a lot. And I'm definitely gonna do more digging because I'm really interested about the universe, about the energy, and with our previous guests, we also talk about that it's important to look within, not outwards, and finding the trends within. And you just kind of elevated it to the next level. I'm gonna look into that information. I hope it was really useful for our listeners and viewers. And I'm so grateful for having you as my guests on the basic show. It was really wonderful to you know step in a little bit into the alienatrix universe and get a little bit, you know, uh taste of your world, of your universe. Thank you for sharing and thank you for listening. Thank you for beautiful conversation. Today we had Nina Hawkins check her work at on Instagram at Nina Sense, right?
SPEAKER_03:Yes.
SPEAKER_01:Well, thank you for being here.
SPEAKER_03:Thank you so much for having me. That was a pleasure. Thank you. Bye. Bye bye.