WHO REMEMBERS? The UK Nostalgia Podcast
Join amateur historians Andrew and Liam (thrice bronze medalists in 'The South Yorkshire Rememberers Chalice') as they take a trip back to life in Britain during the eighties, nineties and noughties to discuss the pop culture moments that defined a nation.
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WHO REMEMBERS? The UK Nostalgia Podcast
Who Remembers........The First Ever UK National Lottery?
Remember that electric Saturday night in November 1994 when nearly half the nation huddled around their televisions, captivated by coloured balls tumbling inside a machine? That watershed moment when Britain collectively decided to dream big—for just a pound?
The National Lottery wasn't merely a gambling opportunity; it was a cultural revolution that transformed Saturday nights and sparked nationwide conversations about wealth, dreams, and possibility. With our signature nostalgic warmth, we unpack this pivotal moment in British cultural history, from Noel Edmonds' smug hosting (complete with dubious claims about driving the lottery machine on a truck) to the seven lucky winners who shared that first £5.8 million jackpot.
Our conversation takes fascinating turns through infamous winners like Michael Carroll (the self-proclaimed "King of the Chavs") who blew his £9.7 million fortune on drugs, parties, and a demolition derby in his garden, raising profound questions about whether sudden wealth is always a blessing. We ponder the psychological burden of lottery millions—the begging letters, family tensions, and moral dilemmas that accompany life-changing wealth. Would we really want to win? The answer might surprise you.
Whether you've played religiously since 1994 or never bought a ticket, this nostalgic journey through Britain's collective lottery memories will transport you back to a time when the nation united in dreams of wealth and possibility. Subscribe now and join our growing community of nostalgia enthusiasts as we continue exploring the defining moments of British cultural life!
Hello and welcome to who Remembers the UK nostalgia podcast and in our first episode we are asking who Remembers the first ever National Lottery. I believe they're C5, britain's first mass-produced electrical car.
Speaker 2:There's something called the internet.
Speaker 1:Stop shouting. That's good, but none of the locals go paddling. Yeah, that's for me. No bottleless kids. I can't speak. You can't win anything with kids.
Speaker 2:Pac-man, one of the superstar video games in the business. Do you think it's threatened to overrule them?
Speaker 1:If we can't get through again.
Speaker 2:Remember when it's the lowest form of conversation. Hello, so yeah, this is the first ever episode of the podcast. Who Remembers? I'm one of the hosts. I'm Liam, often referred to as Leroy, by myself predominantly. Another host is Andrew, who Andreas? We sometimes call you Andrea. I've got loads of names.
Speaker 1:Andreas Panchero, roy Higginson, jim Higginson, jim Higginson, I look a bit like Jim Davidson, but it's a new era. So people may have heard our old podcast, living With Madeley. That's still out there, isn't it? You can still get those episodes that were a TV nostalgia podcast.
Speaker 2:Yeah, you can still get them yeah and this is so for anyone who's kind of joined us now thinking, oh yeah, I don't even know who these guys are, whether they're going to stick with it. We did the non-award-winning podcast Living With Madeley that I think there's 160 episodes Too many, if anything.
Speaker 1:Yeah, too many yeah but we're in it for the long haul? We're not. This is not just a yeah. We're not in it for the money. Yeah, we're in it for the love.
Speaker 2:That would be embarrassing, yeah, but yeah, so it costs us money to do this. So, yeah, we're absolutely not in it for the money. But, yeah, this cut a very long story short if you want to go back and listen to any of our stuff, if you haven't already the podcast living with madley. We started out, the premise being we were born one day apart. You're one day older, a few months less wise than me, but one day.
Speaker 2:Wise, you beat me to it, go on yeah, so, and we always remember madley being on our tv, so we did live with Maidley. It made loads of sense at the time. We thought it was really clever. Nobody knew what it was whether we lived with Richard Maidley or not. And also, and this is the key, I think we love the TV stuff. We're not going away from the TV stuff.
Speaker 1:Well, funnily enough because this is going to be a more general nostalgia podcast. This is why we moved away from the tv stuff, but the first two episodes we picked to do could have easily been as tv podcast, to be fair, so we've not thought it through. But there's going to be loads of different stuff and there's going to be like.
Speaker 2:The thought process is we, we love the tv, retro stuff, we're going to keep doing that. But we got to a stage where we actually preferred the specials. So we we did end of series specials where we gave ourselves a bit more freedom. They weren't tv and we want to do a bit more of that. So you're still going to get loads of retro tv. If you remember 80s, 90s, 2000s, join us, because that's that's the sort of thing we remember yeah but even if you don't, we'll remember it for you.
Speaker 1:So I think, you either remember with us or we remember it for you, so it's a no lose situation win, win yeah absolutely yeah, in a no lose situation. So just a few, if anyone's got any ideas for us to do messages. We're on new twitter account at who remembers pod. We're on blue sky who remembers pod. On a new Twitter account at WhoRemembersPod. We're on Blue Sky WhoRemembersPod and we're on WhoRemembersPod at Outlook as the email.
Speaker 1:So if you've got any idea, yeah, so Cleverley thought of the same thing, same title for all three different bits of social media there. But yeah, if you've got any idea. So one of the things we're going to do at some point in the upcoming pods is we're going to try and remember a movie without watching it before. So we're going to try, I don't know.
Speaker 2:No, we will have seen it, but not in recent times.
Speaker 1:Yeah, but sorry, we're not going to have watched it recently.
Speaker 2:We can't remember something we haven't seen. Even we're not that good at remembering.
Speaker 1:No, no, no, no. Let's say like Back to the Future. I have seen Back to the Future. I've only seen about 100 films, so it's going to be pretty tricky. We're not going to watch it before and we're going to see how good we can actually remember. Yeah, let's see if we can nail the story. Yeah, so if anyone's got any ideas for films, albums you want us to look at, or even songs, or whatever, believe you me, we will do an episode on that if it's kind of in the time period that we can physically remember it, and we'll remember it.
Speaker 1:And even if it isn't, we'll probably get it. We might remember it.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, yeah. So yeah, and do you know what? Like all sort of joking aside, yeah, one thing for anyone who's followed us from delivering we made the podcast that we absolutely want to keep is that listener engagement. So, however obscure it seems, however obscure it seems, it can be a chocolate bar, a toy, a DVD. If there's something you want us to try and remember, let us know, because we love all that sort of stuff.
Speaker 1:Yeah, anything, anything goes, anything goes on this, but the first one that we picked is the first ever National Lottery, and the reason we picked this, I can't remember, but obviously, oh, you've heard the theme tune. That's a new theme tune. People are going. It's not as good as the Maidly theme tune. Stick with it. It's a grower, isn't it, liam?
Speaker 2:It's a grower, yeah, and I don't want to say we clash on things. I think we generally agree. But I think I'll call you out when I think sometimes I don't understand what what you're on about. But I do think it's important the listeners acknowledge that, yes, there is ai involvement in the theme tune, but you actually wrote the melody because you are fairly talented. You know what there I thought you'd say, oh no, not like it's unbelievably talented.
Speaker 1:I don't want to brag, but I'm probably the best songwriter in south yorkshire. I would have thought I don't think that's a much of a debate, to be honest, but people will be thinking, oh, but I'm probably the best songwriter in South Yorkshire. I would have thought I don't think that's much of a debate, to be honest, but people will be thinking, oh, yeah, but it's not the same Pure AI, pure AI.
Speaker 1:The old Mabley theme tune was obviously acoustic. But I'm not ACDC, I'm not Noel Gallagher. I like to spread my wings into different genres. So I'm into the electronica genre. Who knows what'll be next? Probably reggae to be honest.
Speaker 2:Well, you've certainly dabbled in that sphere before, so yeah, yeah, well, it's not it's not reggae stuff. Yeah, yeah, so no, but genuinely, like all I'm trying to the point I'm trying to make, there is, what I really like about the theme tune is that, yes, there is ai involvement, but the clips the clips obviously are real clips and the melody was sort of driven by something you did. So there is some more authenticity to that.
Speaker 2:I would say and when we picked the lottery, by the way, I was slightly confused by that. We hope it's going to be entertaining. We hope it's going to be amusing. It's quite a dry thing that we've picked for our first episode but I suppose, if we can make this entertaining, then we can do anything, can't we?
Speaker 1:I'll be honest. The reason I said it is because or my idea is just because it's the first clip in the theme tune. That's why I just mentioned the theme tune. So I thought people, straight away, are going all right, are they going through all the clips like as the first episodes? No, they'll be just going just laser. Just that was the first thing that we listened to. This was. This was huge. So the uk's first ever franchise lottery, uh, was set up in 1993 by a certain john major. So that's politics covered. All right for the, for the, for the podcast, straight, straight away, done that. And the first, why john major? Yeah, well, the government. No, you, obviously not john major, didn't I mean start writing on all balls and stuff, but it was. It was the John Major government that gave it the okay, because obviously I've been in America for ages.
Speaker 2:We've debated this. I think we should be predominantly remembering you have done a little bit of research.
Speaker 1:But this is where I have to lean on you a little bit.
Speaker 2:So I know well, I say I know I'm pretty confident this is 94, but what?
Speaker 1:date are we talking here? 19th of November 1994. And obviously it came along with the television programme which you have seen, because I've sent it. Yeah, presented by you. Can everyone come watch it on YouTube? Presented by Mr Noel Edmonds? Yeah, and if you've come, if you stayed with us from the living with madeley nemesis is a strong word, but he's certainly not a friend of mine.
Speaker 1:No, ledman, no, he's a foe. If anything, he's definitely a foe rather than a friend. 25 million people tuned in now I'm no good with maths, but that's like nearly half of the population.
Speaker 2:I'm gonna say britain population say it would be about 60 million. I don't know. That's incredible. I was talking about half the people in the UK were watching this. Sorry, carry on. Do you remember it being quite a grand thing? I mean, I've got an anecdote that could be slightly ruined by facts if I really unpick it. But I've got an anecdote that could be slightly ruined by facts if I really unpick it. But I've certainly got a memory of the first ever draw, but do you remember watching it live?
Speaker 1:I don't remember watching the first draw live. I've got a feeling that I'll be at my nan's house because obviously we were both still at school so we couldn't afford, we weren't allowed to buy a ticket, because I think you had to be 16 yeah yeah, I'll say no.
Speaker 1:In fact, I'm dead now oh sorry, all right, I've never met you uh, yeah, sadly no longer with us, but I'm pretty sure I watched it with her um and I did definitely pick some numbers out that I presume. Either my dad said he'd put on, more likely he didn't put on and just told me that he had um, and then we did watch it and I remember it, it being this sort of like they were a massive event. Do you know what?
Speaker 2:that makes me think of another scandal actually involving the National Lottery. That happened so sorry. So there's two things there. So the first memory I have of the National Lottery is it was on. My dad was working away somewhere, so my mum had said to me and my brother write down your six numbers and we'll see how well we do. So obviously we didn't put the numbers on, we just wrote them on a bit of paper. I remember my dad coming to the room like and the sort of again like in my mind the draw was just about to go live and my dad sort of my dad said what are you doing here? Yeah, we've all picked out six numbers. He sort of snatched the paper away through the bin and said are you mad? Because if those numbers come in, you'll never be more devastated in your life. And I'm sort of thinking, yes, right, actually, why would we pick numbers and not play them?
Speaker 1:Yeah, that would be imagine that the first I was talking to my mum earlier actually about this. I said you remember first ever lottery? She said, oh, I was really nervous that I'd win.
Speaker 2:What, what? Yeah, yeah, what would you do if you won it?
Speaker 1:yeah, but she said like the obviously the hype of the first winner. And to be fair, there wasn't really our first winner, there were loads of, you know, separate winners. But she was like, oh, if I won it, imagine that front and centre, the first ever lottery. She was really nervous that she was going to win. I don't know if I should put it on or show her that moment.
Speaker 2:Well, I think when my dad commando rolled through the window and karate kicked the numbers out of my hand, I probably did at that moment think, yeah, he's right.
Speaker 1:Why didn't he just put it?
Speaker 2:you knew we were going to play it, I think you, I think you'd sort of come in saying, oh, what you're doing saturday night.
Speaker 1:Oh yeah, we've just written down these numbers?
Speaker 2:what do you know? What, yeah, what on earth are you doing? Like wide-eyed, like yeah, and he's right, because and it sort of feeds into my second anecdote, actually, which is that I love an anecdote. I've got two in two in five minutes brilliant so my grandma used to play it every week and I don't know how sort of people say this, but she, absolutely she didn't really want the money for herself. She was desperate for family and friends and whatever else. She says that.
Speaker 1:She'd have been on a fucking plane to Vegas, like where's she gone? I don't know.
Speaker 2:They're like with shades on Pina Colada on the plane. No, she used to draw numbers out. So she used to have a regular line of numbers and this is another thing, by the way, with the National Lottery you have to be very careful of. So if you play regular numbers, you're tied to them forever. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Imagine the week you don't do them and they come in. Yeah, but anyway. But she used to draw, pick your line of numbers nine, 10, 12, 26, 27, 30, I think. But she also used to draw numbers out of her heart, literally out of her heart. She had all the piece of paper folded up and there was a particular week where she picked out the numbers and she drew three in a row I don't know if it's 25, 26, 27, whatever they were and she thought no, you can't have three in a row, put them back in, shuffled them up, did it again. The numbers that she'd drawn out would have been five in the bonus, which I think was like 100 grand or something like that at the time.
Speaker 2:Yeah, she says right, she says right to be honest. Yeah, you can't do it.
Speaker 1:My dad does it sometimes when we're on holiday. I'll have the accumulator on football. He'll just pick numbers out Rather than picking teams out. Match number four. Sometimes he'll go. I can't see it. He'll go against it. 99% of the time he'll come in You'll get something like Arsenal vs Southampton. You'll think Southampton aren't going to score at Arsenal. I'm not having that one, Obviously. If Southampton, you think Southampton aren't going to score at Arsenal, I'm not having that one, Then obviously if Southampton go 1-0 up and you're kicking yourselves, it's a massive part of the bet, obviously.
Speaker 2:It's like the biggest odds and stuff like that. You've got to stick with it. If you stick with us on this journey, you'll see that quite a few things annoy me.
Speaker 1:But I'd say one of the things that what you're going to say about it? I doubt it.
Speaker 2:I hate people who say, well, toss a coin to decide and then don't go with it. The moment you toss that coin you have to go with what that coin tells you.
Speaker 2:So if you, say right, I'm going to go out tonight, or I'm not. Toss a coin, heads will go out, tails are down, you get tails, so you're not going out. And then you think, ah, actually I'd quite like to go out tonight. You should never have tossed the coin. If you toss the coin, you have to do what the coin says. That's my stance on it. So, yeah, you're right, she should have played the numbers she drew.
Speaker 1:Played the numbers you dealt. But anyway, just back on the actual the drawer, the draw itself, the result. It was that big because it was obviously it was the main news on BBC. You can get again a YouTube clip of Michael. I think it's Michael, not Michael Burke. Yeah, michael Burke 999, 999, I don't know if that was the theme tune actually, and yeah, it never said diddle-a-do-do-do-diddle-a. Use that as like when you're phoning for emergency services. Nine, nine, nine, um, yeah, and michael burke.
Speaker 2:It's the main news news at 10 or whatever.
Speaker 1:It was bbc and the national lottery yeah, and they even showed the numbers during blind date. What we're on itv. Obviously bbc got the rights to the national lottery, um so. But even on blind date, which were a massive show for itv, even they put they obviously knew that they were gonna lose a big chunk of audience and they put the numbers on. That's cross-sort of you, don't really get that, do you?
Speaker 2:So that encapsulates the era, doesn't it? The era, sorry, where Saturday Night was absolutely. Who can get the ratings? Bbc or ITV 1994. What ITV recognised is that we can't compete with this big thing. They've got going on. But actually, if we show it on our bit of TV, compete with this big thing, they've got going on.
Speaker 1:But actually, if we show it on our bit of tv then? Yeah, I mean. But as I said, we've both watched the, the first show. Um, and I don't hate edmunds as much as you, but it's very smug edmunds, this, and it really is like a very full sort of smug raccoon mode, like it's such an ego trip for him.
Speaker 2:This is like he's like I will be.
Speaker 1:Me Edmonds will be doing. You know what I mean.
Speaker 2:I, edmonds, will be drawing the first ever national lottery All the public's eyes are on Edmonds and I will be telling yeah, it's awful.
Speaker 1:And for your turn against him bald as well.
Speaker 2:I meant to ask you this because I've not seen the full. I don't know if it's an Amish show or whatever. The clip I've seen is about 11 minutes long, but he claims to be driving not only the lottery draw machine but also the jackpot money on the back of a truck.
Speaker 1:He's a fucking liar, isn't he? You know what he's like, Edmunds. Is he even driving that?
Speaker 2:thing Can he drive?
Speaker 1:If anyone wants to know more about Edmundonds, look at our last Christmas episode on Live and Remain, where we dig deep into the man himself. So I'm not going to go through too much about Edmonds again, because we did an hour on him actually.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:And his mad beliefs and stuff. But yeah, this is so smug Edmonds, but it's Edmonds at its peak. You can't hide that oh yeah, absolutely. And he's delighted to be given this role. I mean, I think I'm trying to think who would be given it now. Would it be? Who'd get it on BBC now? Bradley Walsh, he's on his ITV, I know. I think no, but they get huge, huge celebrities like that anymore.
Speaker 2:I don't think, as presenters, we're actually going to be covering one next week Claire Balding, claire.
Speaker 1:Baldy's not going to be doing National Lottery. He's like the main, claire Baldy. I can't believe you said her. In comparison to the great Noel Edmonds, he's a tall gay chap.
Speaker 2:Quite a handsome man, but he's a bit sort of Ryland. Ryland, yeah, he's a bit like Cosmic surgery, he's not got the panache of Edmonds. I can see him doing it now.
Speaker 1:I don't mind. Not got the the panache of it now I could see. I don't mind. I like the guy. I think he's, I'm just have a look. Chris evans actually did it. Uh, this performance. Looking at the people who have done it before that go through more.
Speaker 2:Christopher biggins today myling class, yeah richie's in my mind, has done it, has he not?
Speaker 1:is that a false memory. It's not on here. Uh, he's not on this list here. Brian connell, I can absolutely imagine that. Terry wogan um, he did it. Gabby Roslin, john Cleese Maidley, maidley did it. Oh wow, yeah, so, but yeah so. Do you want to know what the numbers were, liam? Are you interested at all what the numbers were for the first ever National Lottery draw?
Speaker 2:3-5-14 they're the only ones I can remember. I watched it earlier today.
Speaker 1:Oh right, yeah, 3, 5, 14, 22, 30, 30, 44, and the bonus ball was 10, and there were seven jackpot winners and they all shared a prize of 5.8 million pounds, which I think in today's money. But we've got about 20 million, no, maybe a bit less than that. Yeah, it's a buy a couple of pints today, wouldn't it?
Speaker 2:yeah, you buy a couple of drinks, yeah if you went to like a real ale pub. But you took a pint and a half, weren't you?
Speaker 1:I remember, like everyone thought, my mum was saying earlier, like when I talked to her about it because one of the things I'm going to try and do is talk to grandparents and parents about remembering as well like so what did you do with this? And she was saying so. I quizzed her earlier and she was saying that she played it every week for about three months and then realised she was never going to win and just gave up. And she's not played it for absolutely ages.
Speaker 2:Yeah, but good marketing though, because the premise was and absolutely rightly so, it could be you, somebody could win it. It's a pound, it's a pound out of your pocket.
Speaker 1:I'm glad you said that You're going to miss on that pound. But you could be a millionaire off the back of that one pound. You've got a one in 140 million chance of winning the jackpot, apparently. Um, but there could be you thing that you said. That was huge at the time. I don't know if people remember this. Who, um, especially I, older, younger people than us, um the adverts could it could be you, but no, it were. It's you, that big blue hand remember? Yeah, I thought it was like a gold hand I thought it was blue, Right?
Speaker 1:I don't know if I've imagined this, because I couldn't find it because I was looking for adverts, but is the one where a big blue hand pushes an old man through a shop window, or did I dream that? I'm sure that it's you and he goes. I think what you've done.
Speaker 2:There is. You've mixed up a national lottery advert with an episode of the 80 team.
Speaker 1:I honestly I swear he said like it's you and this old man goes flying through this window. That were a good marketing thing, though I remember Blair had a song a couple of years later called it Could Be you.
Speaker 2:That it Could Be you were like a really good slogan Because, like you said, everyone, even though it's a one in 140 million pound chat, 140 million chance of winning the jackpot. It could be you. It could be you the last time I literally could be. Yeah, like that, that's the point your one pound could could buy you the the jackpot, and that that's the premise of the whole thing is that, yeah, this is where sort of these sweepstakes and things like this come from. It's because the outlay is so low that the implication is you won't miss a pound. What's?
Speaker 1:that going to do with your pound?
Speaker 2:It's going to change your life forever.
Speaker 1:We're going to get a packet of chewing gum with a pound. We can't actually ATP, but you know what I mean. And it's £2 now actually, isn't it? It's a lottery. £ is the lottery, two pound now. I don't even know that well, I'm sure it is the last time I played and the reason I did it, and we'll get on to um someone who was very much well, I said very much like this do you know those uh, fortune tellers in, like scott, I've run in scarborough. Do you know when you put a pound in the dude and he says like yeah, like magnificent or whatever.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, and he were like what you call it. There's one in the film big, isn't there like?
Speaker 1:yeah, yeah, fortune teller, and he's like tonight your numbers, and it was the lottery that day, and he spat these numbers out on a piece of paper. I like that, I didn't even know it were lottery today. Like that has got to be a sign. Literally, like, ran to the shop I thought this is it. Like this is why, why would I put a pound? Why did I put a pound, that machine in the first place? I don't know why I did it and why did I? I didn't know the lottery watched a lot or I couldn't wait for it.
Speaker 1:No numbers no numbers, no, zero numbers.
Speaker 2:But obviously we can't talk about the lottery, and she weren't even in the first one, actually, but mystic meg was probably the biggest thing, whether the clip that I've seen is just had her removed or was she not, because in my head she's part of it from the start. Yeah, was she not then?
Speaker 1:now. Uh well, to be fair, she was on it from 1994 like a mystic meg predicts segment. But I've watched the whole of the first episode and, like you said, unless they've taken her out for some reason, I don't think she were in that very first episode. But she can't have been much further behind, because it says on Wikipedia and obviously everyone has Wikipedias, spot on that she started in 1994, and this is November 1994, so it could have only been a couple of weeks later.
Speaker 2:But she won massive.
Speaker 2:Got five, six weeks after that to go out. Yeah, I mean this was quite clever on the lottery's part because that became a sort of thing, didn't it, that obviously the draw itself you can win. It could be you. But Mystic Meg became a bit of a sort of a cult figure there. Do you see Mystic Meg a lot? I remember sort of people. It was a huge thing to be a Mystic Meg in person. I predict that you will have. She always used to say and I think this will I think it's a good day for bin men too.
Speaker 1:She used to say that, but she was so vague, Like all horoscopes are. We were reading some horoscopes out in public last Friday. It's just ridiculous. Like obviously me and Tom, our mate, we're all Libras and I'm reading out that week's horoscope or whatever. I think I had different weeks with them all out and it's just like I think it all kept saying funny because we did eggy and I think he's cancer and he just said do not give your money to anyone under any circumstances.
Speaker 2:Like basically, I'm like shit I don't want to do now. Uh, famous.
Speaker 2:Apologies to any horoscope enthusiasts listening, but there's the the deron brown thing where he got yeah I don't know, say 100 people of all different horoscopes and he put in a sealed envelope a prediction for them, a kind of horoscope based thing about them, and interviewed him and they were all saying I cannot believe how well he knows me and everyone had got the same one. And it basically said you're an eternal optimist, you hope for the best, you do the right thing, but sometimes feel it doesn't get recognized. It was like all the yeah all the things that you kind of want to be.
Speaker 1:There's something that you want to create or something like that.
Speaker 2:Eventually, you know a massively successful podcast called living with me didn't win any awards imagine if he said that every one of them, um.
Speaker 1:But but on Mystic Makeup, I looked into her background purely because I wasn't sure if she was an actress or she was actually a. That's a good point. Actually, I've never thought about that.
Speaker 2:Was she sort of clairvoyant or just somebody for the media to create her? That's a really good question.
Speaker 1:It's a weird one. Her name was not Mystic Makeup. I'm surprised. You know you're not surprised. It's margaret ann lay. She passed away only a couple of years ago actually, um, and she were actually the sub-editor of the news of the world in the 80s, um, and then became the deputy editor of sunday, which the sunday supplement version, basically that and then during that period she became the paper's regular astrologer. So I don't really know if she was a qualified astrologer. She said that grandma used to talk about astrology to her, all this sort of stuff, but she became like you obviously see it. What were, oh, what were her name, not just judah. Do you know?
Speaker 2:like you see the horoscopes people russell grant's one of them in a oh yeah, I was gonna ask you actually that was, that was a question I had is who would you say is the most famous um russell grant. So famous I had is. Who would you say is the most famous Australian.
Speaker 1:Why is Russell Grant so famous?
Speaker 2:Because I think there's only three people who've ever sort of rose to fame by doing that Mystic Meg.
Speaker 1:At least Mystic Meg were on a prime time. I mean I suppose Russell Grant Someone used to do one for the Mirror.
Speaker 2:Someone used to do a.
Speaker 1:Yeah, this is what I'm trying to think of the Mirror one, and I can't remember what it was. Just that, by the way. I can't believe they've still got. Ask, colleen, in the sun or the mirror, whichever one it is. Sometimes I'll read paper at work and, um, yeah, ask, no, colleen nolan, why would you imagine asking her of all people like, oh, I'll tell you what, colleen. No offense to colleen nolan, she's just like agony. So, yeah, she's not a psychologist, what you? I don't know what to do. My boyfriend, I think he's cheating on me. I just don't know what to do. And she said well, I just tell him straight. Why are you asking Colleen Nolan? Well, what I told Shane Ritchie Was she with Shane Ritchie? Yeah, she was. It would be good if every one of them, everyone refers back to.
Speaker 2:Shane but when Shane said this.
Speaker 1:She fell out with her, didn't she? Kim? What's her name? Used to look at people's shit. Kim Junglin, you are what you eat, woman. Oh yeah, kim and Aggie. Yeah, Kim and Aggie, I think you were her. She fell out with Anyway you'll get more of this sort of stuff.
Speaker 2:I can't remember I've mentioned him, but once, when I was walking back from school, I saw Shane Ritchie doing the Daz Doorstep Challenge. He went to the Quinn twins' mum who were two Geordies living in Drumfield who actually sound like Matt and Gary Brilliant.
Speaker 1:I was like why wouldn't they be, Just because they're Geordies? Do you know what?
Speaker 2:No, no, they were good guys.
Speaker 1:I know they were known for being terrorists.
Speaker 2:No, I'm saying this because this sort of sounds quite insulting, but the famous sort of joke around school was that the mum came to the door and said this is my teenage son's shirt and it's all clean now because of dad's, and it was like it was a smaller shirt. I mean, they've grown into sort of real size people, but they were quite small at a time. But yeah, fernand started walking back from school with shout out, shaney baby and he gave us a thumbs up that's all right, it's better than your integration, isn't it?
Speaker 1:when you threw a snowball at him? Absolutely furious.
Speaker 1:yeah, Sadly no longer with us, so not a great moment for me I didn't contribute directly to that, no, a few years before, but you probably had it in mind. But anyway, mystic Meg, she was around for six years. Like I say when someone says the national lottery, I don't think Edmonds, I don't think Camelot, I think Mystic Meg Because even now, even now, she's not been on TV. She can't be on TV for love of the money like Edmonds. She can't be on TV realistically, for what? 2,000, 25 years? And people still say like I'm not Mystic Meg. It's still a thing for a generation, isn't it? Yeah, yeah, just say oh, Liam, why couldn't you see that I'm not Mystic Meg? Do you know what I mean? She's still, like, seen as that sort of go to well, that thing as well weren't there.
Speaker 2:Because she used to say, if you remember, like I see that the numbers will be from someone who put the numbers in a book that's yellow, that near a coffee cup, yeah, and then, and then sometimes the winner would say, oh well, I couldn't believe it, like because obviously meg had said about numbers being a yellow book and mine's in a yellow book and I couldn't believe it. But but then it's that thing of like it's like is it a self-fulfilling prophecy? That did they hear mystic meg say? And it's been a yellow book, so think, oh well, I might as well put it in a yellow book. Is she creating the story?
Speaker 1:I'd like to know. I mean, we'll never know, but I would like to know how Well?
Speaker 2:we won't know if she's not mystic, if that's what you're going to ask.
Speaker 1:No, no. I'd like to know how serious, how much work did she put into this? Basically, how much work did they?
Speaker 2:It's like three or four minutes, a fag and a coffee before the shot.
Speaker 1:Oh shit, what have?
Speaker 2:I got to say Give me an occupation that I've not done yet.
Speaker 1:Yeah, give me an occupation. We've not mentioned TV salesman. I think it's a good day for a TV salesman he might have once read a book by an author you get. Tv salesmen these days I've never heard of a TV salesman. Tv salesman Do people like Winston Condorson say do you want to buy TV? Do people like Houston Condors and say do you want to buy TV?
Speaker 2:Makes me think of I don't think it's what he did, but what's that? Only 21 hours from Tulsa.
Speaker 1:Am I mixing up so many different things there? That was.
Speaker 2:Gene Pitney, wasn't it? Yeah, but it was a show advert where you could collect.
Speaker 1:TV salesmen. Right TV salesman job right 21 TVs from. Tulsa TV presenter vacancies. Mate, we could be getting on to that instead of fucking about with this podcast. Yeah, it doesn't seem like it is a job TV sales, but now TV salesman.
Speaker 2:Anyway, Don't you go TV salesman.
Speaker 1:Yeah, anyway, you got TV.
Speaker 2:Think about how much out of that would be Such an awful.
Speaker 1:You got TV, yeah, off you got tv, yeah, ah, shit, like just next door. Yeah, you've got tv, yeah, yeah, yeah, all right. Got any trash in this one? No, no, you're all right, man, I've got one um. I will obviously do a bit more on the um, but we'll touch on it now. If you're like mystic mag, the pick now the people.
Speaker 2:The most famous lottery winner, would you say I think there's one very clear answer that I assume is the same one that you're thinking of.
Speaker 1:I've got a slight bit of oh, I read an article in the Daily Mirror on one of them.
Speaker 2:So this is the guy who was a bin man, yes, who spent it on drugs and turning his garden into a destruction. Derby Was absolutely slated by the media, but actually, do you know what? He probably kind of got it right, didn't he really?
Speaker 1:Well, yeah, well, Mikey Carroll, who we were talking about. Self-proclaimed king of the chavs. He won £9.7 million, which is the equivalent of £20 million today. At 19 years old. He played up to that chav thing. You were quite mean Because a lot of people obviously when they win you could tick. Remember that box you could tick. I don't think you might still have it.
Speaker 2:Yeah, do you want to be? Do you want the celebrity status or?
Speaker 1:not yeah.
Speaker 2:I don't know what I'd tick there, Probably yeah.
Speaker 1:No, I would never want it. I don't want it. Yeah, stuff once, because obviously we're so famous like and everyone. They were fucking multi-millionaire, so people like the worst thing they killed his dogs, five people, five of his dogs got killed because they wanted some money and he didn't pay it and dog's dead yeah, I mean, obviously that's awful.
Speaker 2:Uh, two things that makes me think of. One is that I used to work with an Irish guy on site, on a building site, who used to regularly say to me, because he thought it was a tongue tweezer tongue teaser yeah, Ken Dodds does, does died.
Speaker 1:I think it was the name of a band, a punk band, ken Dodds does Dodds dead.
Speaker 2:He used to say it to me as I walked past him.
Speaker 1:Sometimes it's hard to say. Imagine if I said hello, we're Ken Dodds, all gigs.
Speaker 2:Welcome to the stage. Ken Dodds, dads Dodds Dead.
Speaker 1:But yeah, you're right, he was a part-time bitman. He didn't even have a bank account, mikey Carroll, mikey Carroll, so you must have been cashing in.
Speaker 2:I can't even think of the second thing that made me think of.
Speaker 1:to be fair, oh sorry, yeah Go on what were we talking about?
Speaker 2:They killed his dogs. Alright, yeah, he won a lottery.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I don't know who remembers not you. Who remembers my second point? Who remembers your?
Speaker 2:second point you haven't got one. I kind of felt sorry for him because he was slightly sort of just a chavish kid who won a lot of money. But people were really sort of hating on him for winning the money. But it's like and I remember fairness, at the time our mate was at uni and he'd got into an argument with someone who'd said but they shouldn't give him the jackpot because he's a convict or an ex-convict or something like that he wasn't at the time, though he wasn't at the time.
Speaker 1:Had he got some sort of minor history for no well, I don't think so. Anyway he did get. I think he got done for a fray later on, but I think that would post.
Speaker 2:But if you sell, that guy the ticket you have to accept that he can win it and he can do what?
Speaker 1:he wants to do with that money is to buy a Staterhelm smash cars up in his garden, put £1 million into Rangers Football Club about two weeks before they went into admin. It's a terrible move.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I'm less happy about that part of it. But no, it's up to him. It's his money, own decisions.
Speaker 1:Own decisions. I think if you are a free man, if they're going to sell you the ticket, you can't just say well, you know.
Speaker 2:Yeah no, exactly yeah. If you can buy the ticket, you're entitled to the winnings and what you do with those winnings, as long as it sits within the law.
Speaker 1:Well, this is well. He didn't then, because he spent £3,000 a day on apparently. So obviously both against the law.
Speaker 2:Well, yeah, but I suppose the law wasn't fit to police, that was it.
Speaker 1:So he but I've come to the Daily Mail. He was known for his outrageous sex parties where he would instruct naked women to carry cocaine on trays and end the night bedding eight women at a time. I love why eight Like why I've done seven.
Speaker 2:Yeah. Really not in mood. Yeah, how many of you Is it? How?
Speaker 1:many.
Speaker 2:Seven of us. No forget this. Where's the eighth, I cannot believe that you thought you'd get away with seven women in this bedroom tonight.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:I think he lived the dream for a while. Good luck to him.
Speaker 1:Well, that's what he said.
Speaker 2:A quote from him here actually he said he has no regrets and it was the best 10 years of my life. For a pound, yeah, but like you said, I don't have any problem. I mean it didn't end up homeless.
Speaker 1:It's not a great ending he's back with his wife now. He's a call delivery man. Now. He's earning a decent day's wage, as long as nobody.
Speaker 2:I can't condemn him unless anyone was exploited or abused. If it was just him just living the life and everyone got paid for what they got paid for and he did what he wanted to do, good luck to him. I ain't got any problems with it.
Speaker 1:Can I get you Mikey, mikey Carroll, and now you're only 19. I'll probably not have had a demolition, I ain't got any problems with it. Well, can I get you, mikey?
Speaker 2:Mikey Carroll, mikey Carroll, yeah, and now you're only 19.
Speaker 1:All right Dickhead at 19. I mean to be honest, I probably wouldn't have had a demolition derby in my garden even with that money.
Speaker 2:but you know you were sick on my feet at 19 when I slept on the floor next to your bed, so that's what.
Speaker 1:And I weren't even a millionaire? Well, no not at that particular point. Now another story. I want to get your opinion on Martin and Kay Tot, who bought a National Lottery winning ticket, but they left it too late to collect the £3 million that they won, Because I didn't know this. But if you don't collect it within the first 30 days, you're not allowed it.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I mean it's yeah, that's heartbreaking, but if that's the rule, I've got to ask you are you the rules of the rules, man?
Speaker 1:Because Richard Branson and Tony Black voiced their support. Richard Branson actually flew him out to his privately owned Necker Island for a week to cheer him up. And they were Branson and Blair were campaigning saying give him the like Geldof, give us your fucking money, but Camelot.
Speaker 2:Where's the cut-off though? Well, exactly, yeah. Camelot said no, you've got to have a time. If that's the rule, that's the rule, and you'd be absolutely, unless it's out. If you're in a coma for 30 days. I think that's very different, but I think if you have the ability to go and claim it and you don't, I mean that must be so hard to live with.
Speaker 1:Well, they split up because obviously they were arguing all the time. Instead, they were arguing constantly about the ticket. Imagine that just like oh, can you get us a drink? Oh, yeah, probably forget that. Like you forgot that fucking ticket. You know what I mean. Like every little situation.
Speaker 2:Put Hung and Washington out on the line. Yeah, probably, I'll probably remember that. Remember when you didn't remember to go and collect that, because it must have been one of them, I don't know.
Speaker 1:I'm trying to think. I suppose you just put it on every week, don't you? Without thinking?
Speaker 2:I mean, unless their sort of internal debate was oh God, because actually I think there's an argument that winning the lottery could ruin your life, and we've obviously talked about Carroll, but he wasn't really going anywhere. But I would imagine if you're a sort of stable person in a normal family life, almost the worst thing that could happen to you is an injection of money.
Speaker 1:Loads of said that yeah.
Speaker 2:This refreshes me back to my second point of the. Hey, the thing that I would think I would hate about winning the lottery is the begging letters and the and obviously the fraud sort of stuff would really irritate me, but. But the bit I would find really hard is is if I've got a chunk of money in my bank and somebody saying my daughter needs this sort of chemotherapy and it's really expensive and oh yeah, it must be awful to sort of justify to yourself that no, I'm going to leave that 5 million pound in my bank whilst your daughter dies yeah.
Speaker 2:And no, I'm going to leave that five million pound in my bank whilst your daughter dies. Yeah, and you get people who you're not helping, but then you can't do that for everyone because then the money's just gone.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it reminds me of that Eminem lyric all of a sudden, I've got 90 dozen cousins and he goes hey, it's me In the background. Yeah, I know what you mean, though, because you would get people second cousins going. Hey, liam. Oh, I hate to do this to you, mate.
Speaker 2:I mean, I'd love to help everyone out, but the problem with that is that then, all of a sudden, it's just gone.
Speaker 1:Yeah, you know, duncan James from Blue, aren't you? You can't be helping everybody.
Speaker 2:Well, I mean certainly not these days. No, I'm no Duncan James from Blue, but you can't help everyone because, like, where does that end that? That's just an unlimited pot of money that you don't have. That would be great, it would be brilliant. I suppose this, this is where, if you get a wish, isn't it? What would you like, would you? But even then, if you sort of said I don't want any kids to be ill, but then you feel awful that the kid's mum's ill and the kid's saying to you my mum needs this treatment.
Speaker 1:All right, mate, it's a bit deep, yeah, but I've got a fucking self-destruction derby in my back garden yeah yeah, well, look at that. Look how good that is. We've got a mate. Actually, I won't say his name, I reckon he won't give a shit. I think he'd just say yeah, but I wanted a destruction, derby yeah, I wanted a good time yeah, that's it.
Speaker 1:I think it's a bit of a myth that they say a lot of working class people win it and they don't really know anything about money, they don't know what to do with it. But a lot of the stories that I've read and I've only done a little bit of reading into it it's a lot of people like you say who's giving money away to either decent causes or people and then they run out because they want a big house, obviously because you win. That's what you do, it's a status thing or whatever you do.
Speaker 1:Yeah yeah and then, and you know, and even mike carroll's probably given three, four million pounds out to mates and things like that. But and I've read another one with a woman who was saying that people just kept like saying, oh, like the mates were going, can we text us on that holiday to ib3 or whatever, and she'd feel like a complete dick for saying no, no, I'm not doing this.
Speaker 2:It's like 10 grand and you've got 5 million in your bank, yeah, but you keep doing that forever and ever.
Speaker 1:I don't want to win it, which is a good job, to not play it.
Speaker 2:I've always thought I don't, I would never want to win massive money. I'd like to win a chunk of money that helps me and my sort of close family out, that you certainly won't know about it. It won't spread out to sort of friends and extended family. Just sort me out, I think.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I'm trying to think what the first thing you'd do if you won. Obviously, we've got fucking.
Speaker 2:Prophecy is the first thing, isn't it?
Speaker 1:Yeah, but I'm thinking that. But I'm also thinking what about a nice retro guitar or something like that? Like I don't know, you're a good 12 string guitar at one yeah, I could.
Speaker 1:I could get another 12 string guitar. Um. I think there's a jack d sketch where he's on about um it's always the most boring people who win the lottery and he says like I might buy a new pen. But apart from that, people say it's not going to change my life. It would change your life, I'm afraid. What's the point of fucking playing it?
Speaker 2:Yeah, and that really annoys me. That thing went and like Give it me. I'm saying fairly recently, but we're getting old now so it might not be, it might be 10 years ago. But there was something like some couple won it and they said oh yeah, we've won eight million, but we're just going to keep running our sandwich shop because we don't really need the money. Don't fucking play the game then.
Speaker 1:Yeah, don't play the game. They'll be like. I'll just do what. I might, you know, have an extra pudding on a Sunday, but other than that I'll just keep watching Terry Wogan on the TV at night. I don't want to go out. Yeah, fuck off, give it me Live the dream.
Speaker 2:I'll just keep watching.
Speaker 1:Terry Wogan at night. That's it. Well, to be honest, it doesn't sound that bad. To be fair, I won't mind that. Yeah, I'll take that.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:But that's all I've got Liam, and I think that's the first episode covered off. I've seen this as is. I think I've said this to you privately when bands release singles off the new album, they'll think like oh yeah, put that out. That's interesting.
Speaker 2:The first one's never the big hitter, is it?
Speaker 1:No, then the third one. You're like fuck, we haven't decided what. The third?
Speaker 2:one is. So we're hoping. I suppose the main thing is because the other thing with the Living With Miley podcast is that the first episode very, very raw, first thing we'd ever recorded compared to this oh yeah, it's polished.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it's like marble, isn't it polished down to the fine details? But, yeah, no, I I never kind of quite liked that people would go back to that and that that wasn't quite really what we're about but this is something you can put your name to well, at least I think this is kind of the vibe we're going for. It's going to be pretty chilled. We're going to be having a chat.
Speaker 1:Two lads with a lust for memories. Two lads with a lust for life Just remembering things, yeah.
Speaker 2:The deck was stacked against them, but they've had a great time regardless.
Speaker 1:And they don't want to win the lottery. So that's the first episode done and dusted. Cards on the table.
Speaker 2:Liam, this is a what do you call it?
Speaker 1:Yeah, I'm trying to think of a better word for it, but it is a re-record, not fade away ending Because we were going to do Barrymore next week. We've recorded Barrymore.
Speaker 2:We don't know where Barrymore is, though, do we, liam? No, we don't know if there's some sort of conspiracy, but we obviously didn't record either part to the Barrymore recording.
Speaker 1:I can only think Michael's had something to do with that.
Speaker 2:But yeah, I mean, it was probably the best piece of audio you would have ever heard, but now you can't hear it, we might hear it at some point we probably will do Barrymore, but so we thought we'd play it safe because we think barrymore might be on to us.
Speaker 1:So we're gonna go blur versus oasis and I'll look with. I'll be honest, we've already recorded this, which is why we've had to do um, it's a cracker oh, it's fucking unbelievable. I've not heard it back, but and I have heard it back. Yeah, I have heard it back because, again, we thought we'd lost that, didn't we at one point?
Speaker 2:so, we'll tell you when we get there.
Speaker 1:But yeah, we've lost part one of our upcoming episode four as well yeah, we've lost that, so we're having to re-record that so anyone joining us who knows the living with Madeley will not be surprised that we're having technical difficulties but if you're a new listener, don't let that put you off, because we do always re-record, at least so yeah it's one of our strengths, isn't it, that we get it wrong, but we own up to it. Very much, unlike a certain football team that I support. We get ourselves off the canvas and we go again, don't we?
Speaker 2:Yeah, we dust ourselves down and we roll with the punches, don't we? We roll with the punches.
Speaker 1:Right, I'll see you next time, Liam.
Speaker 2:Even though I've already done it. Is there anything that we're advising anyone to watch for the blurby oasis? Is there a? Is a certain documentary or?
Speaker 1:certain. Yeah, just put blurby oasis into youtube and and you'll see the hype country house. If you're not, I presume everyone know the songs. But the two songs that go to add a country house and roll with it, yeah, maybe listen to both those and send us any anything you remember about this, this era.
Speaker 2:Do you who your favorites, what? What sort of things come to mind when you think back?
Speaker 1:Don't say stuff like well, I was a pulp man, because I understand a lot of people do prefer pulp, but I don't like it when people that's not the question I'm asking you you prefer Out of Blur and Oasis.
Speaker 2:Well, I've said who do you prefer at the time and who do you prefer now? Yeah, that's fine.
Speaker 1:That's fine, yeah, but I've often said I've noticed this quite a lot with people who don't, like, I don't know, weren't really into Britpop or whatever, I don't know. I think they feel like it makes them sound smart. Who did you prefer? Blurr away? I was more of a suede man actually. I always liked a bit of dodgy myself.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that was it. First one done, first one in the can. Thank you for listening, goodbye, goodbye.
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