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Who Remembers........World Cup Italia 90?
Football has certain flashpoints that forever change the landscape of the game - and Italia 90 stands as perhaps the most transformative World Cup of the modern era. What makes this particularly fascinating is how differently it's viewed now compared to contemporary reactions, when many dismissed it as a "mediocre" tournament plagued by defensive tactics and the lowest goal average in World Cup history.
Yet for millions of fans, particularly those who were children at the time, Italia 90 represents the moment football captured their hearts forever. We relive the iconic moments that made this tournament special - from David Platt's last-minute volley against Belgium to Roger Milla's corner-flag dance celebrations for Cameroon. We dig into how Totò Schillaci emerged from relative obscurity to become the top scorer and face of the tournament, only to quickly fade from the international stage afterward.
We examine how the soundtrack of Nessun Dorma, the colorful presence of teams like Colombia and Cameroon, and the pure drama of penalty shootouts created a tournament of unforgettable moments rather than just matches. By exploring these pivotal memories, we reveal why a tournament criticized for its quality of play ultimately became one of the most beloved and culturally significant sporting events of all time.
This is the podcast who Remembers, and in this episode we are remembering the World Cup Italia 90.
Speaker 2:Welcome. It's the lowest form of conversation. Welcome, Talia 90,. Liam, it's where it all started. It's where it all started for me and it's where it's all started for you, I reckon.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I don't know if we're going to go in too much into it. We're re-recording the first half of this episode. We've only recorded five episodes up to this point. We've lost one and we lost half of another one.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and this is yeah, yeah. So you know it's going well, but you know you have a few technical issues along the way. But because this is not really this is something I could talk about, I reckon for seven episodes, so I don't feel bad that we're re-recording it.
Speaker 1:Oh no, no, it's not a hardship, I think.
Speaker 2:No, if someone had asked us to do I don't know. We're trying to think of something.
Speaker 1:Buster.
Speaker 2:Merrifield. Yeah, if we asked us come on, you've got to do Buster Merrifield. And we said yeah, alright. And, to be honest, what I mean. We might do that, though at some point we might do that.
Speaker 1:But this is already easy one to re-record. This is quite easy, I think, the reason being the reason that we sort of this is absolute sort of the pinnacle of football for me, not necessarily in quality I think you've obviously got some stats about goals scored and all that kind of stuff but just in terms of impact on my life. This is obviously we're remembering things and this is absolutely a real sort of key memory Like this is me in a caravan in Whitby in 1990. I would have been seven years old, not the main ally of Italian night.
Speaker 2:It's not like that's what it was. That's what we're talking about. We're talking about when you were in a caravan in 1990, watching that.
Speaker 1:That's what we are doing. I'd been to football matches before then. Yeah, I can't really tell you anything that happened in them. I mean, there is a John Gannon moment actually.
Speaker 2:John Gannon moment. But that's for another day, isn't it the John Gannon moment? But yeah, I was saying I've been to some Sheffield United games but I had no interest in them me along and say like, oh, come on, try and get me into it, and I wasn't bothered at all and I genuinely fully remember and obviously we've sort of talked about this in the first recording, so I know you're the same. We both have the same night that got us into football and that was England vs Belgium World.
Speaker 1:Cup second round David Platt right at the end of the game and that's it yeah, it's the first time I ever have a really vivid memory of football.
Speaker 1:I was. It was kind of my bedtime but I was sort of being allowed to stay up late, so I was sort of hovering around watching it. I thought it was going to go to extra time. I can't say I remember much else about the game, to be honest, but I just remember this moment at the end just being the first time I've ever sort of had that real euphoria in football.
Speaker 2:It football, it was absolutely brilliant. Yeah, like I said, I wasn't bothered. I always remember my my, my mom said why don't you? Why you want to watch second half with your dad? Oh, football's boring mom, I want to play with my he-man figures. I'm only like 20 now seven, it's a joke, um. But yeah, and then I did and I got so invested in it, completely invested in it, and by the end of this tournament I sort of knew all the players names. I was going into Sheffield United games every week for my sins.
Speaker 2:But, like I said, italy United is now seen completely different to how it was at the time. It's seen as one of the worst World Cups ever. It did have the lowest goals per game average 2.21, of any World Cup tournament, really defensive. That doll at the back pass rule had to be introduced due to how boring the games were. The offside law was changed to favour the strikers because people were that defensive. It was like they had to change it to help the strikers. And Mark Austin on ITV News on the night of the final. So when I was watching back, I just put Italianite in and it was a news report on the final and he said that the final which, spoiler alert West Germany won 1-0 in a terrible game. It said that final summed up the whole tournament and called it a mediocre World Cup, and we hope for better next time. And now we see this as the golden era, don't we, of football, and I don't think it's just because we were young.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I'm interested by that, though I don't know if we'd have been sort of in our 20s at the time. Yeah, yeah, yeah. If there is anyone older than us that has a sort of capability of using technology, then yeah, let us know what was it like in your sort of late teens, early 20s, to watch a tournament that seemingly was so dull, because all I can tell you about it is there were real moments. That's what I remember it for.
Speaker 1:That's it People talking about things at school the next day Cameroonies Cameroony Loonies we call them. I don't know if you're familiar.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, the Cameroonies I thought they were called Very disrespectful for a team that should have realistically beat England in the quarters which we'll get to.
Speaker 1:But I just remember they just had a lot of fun about them. They were dancing.
Speaker 2:There was Roger Miller that nobody knew how old he was.
Speaker 1:Loved the bloody foul and yeah, just things to talk about. I mean, Scalacci obviously sort of came to the front. This was the first time I can recall on the playground scoring a goal and running around saying Sc can recall on the playground scoring a goal and running around saying Skiladje, I don't know, it just seemed to create legacy memories, this tournament for people our age, it was.
Speaker 2:It was a tournament of unbelievable moments. I imagine if you watch every game back which I haven't, I bet it's shit, but you don't remember that, you don't remember how boring. You don't remember how boring man Utd versus Bayern Munich 1999, when man Utd came back, Everyone said what an unbelievable. I remember that game. Man Utd were shocking in that match, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1:It was only the last few minutes, that kind of got exciting.
Speaker 2:But no one remembers that. Everyone said what a moment they won the treble, and this is what this is. This is why I think what I love about this tournament is it's the moments that make football. It doesn't matter how crap we're talking about this game now off the back of a playoff final defeat for our team.
Speaker 1:Sheffield United.
Speaker 2:And some of the night in my opinion were pretty poor in that match. But they don't remember that. They just remember that last-minute goal and that's where it should be football.
Speaker 1:Yeah, definitely, but they don't remember that. They just remember that last-minute goal and that's where it should be football. Yeah, definitely, and it's just. I mean, not only do you have the moments, but the timing was good for us, like in terms of sort of being able to stay up towards some of the games. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, the atmosphere, the sort of blares and the smoky grounds in Italy, the I don't know. I suppose obviously as well the very iconic Nessun Dorma, which I actually thought was the theme for the tournament.
Speaker 1:But you're right, or?
Speaker 2:not, it was just used as the theme for the BBC. I don't think it was the theme of the tournament, I think it was just the BBC used it. It was a brilliant line from Des Lime on the first episode. When they use it.
Speaker 1:And he said you'll all be humming it later.
Speaker 2:It's quite a brave move really. Yeah, definitely, I think to use an opera piece, because I'll tell you what I'm going to use. We don't want to play as many clips as we used to, but I want to play a clip here, because I'm not going to play Nessun Dorma, because everyone knows that the REV version, their theme tune, that's really good as well. Two really good theme tunes for this World Cup as well. Yeah, definitely, the mascot was really. But you're right, I don't remember that.
Speaker 1:No, no, no. Sorry, I don't know if you would even know this, but would the BBC have had more games or was it split? Do you know what?
Speaker 2:I read into this I think it's called something carousel website and it goes through every single football game that was shown on BBC and ITV from like 1980 to 94 or something. And I went down the World Cup one. There were a lot of games in this World Cup. You'd never get this now, where they just didn't bother showing some games. But because they're playing at the same time they were just like oh, it's well, we can't play on that can we?
Speaker 2:East EastEnders is on. Yeah, exactly, it's mad now, you'd never get that. Every game is on, not just on the BBC 3 or whatever, they're all on the main channels. Look, I think this. I'll get on to it later, but I think this kicked off football in a massive way, this tournament. But, like I said, another thing for this, what I loved is the mascot. I think he made a big impact on me as well. Chow, do you remember them?
Speaker 1:Coca-Cola balls with his face like Chow, size, 7 or something. They were a little small one, weren't they?
Speaker 2:I don't think anyone our age didn't have that. Everyone our age had that.
Speaker 1:Yeah, a little ball. Yeah, I mean we said it on a previous recording but just in case anybody listening has a similar memory, for some reason it's been sort of tied up with a Panini thing in my head. I kind of thought that emblem followed Panini through in the sticker books. I don't think it did. I just had it in my head that that Isn't the Panini man.
Speaker 2:I mean, we used to have a mate who were really thin and we used to have a mate who were really thin and we used to call him Panini. Panini, yeah, because Panini's thick, as in like stick man. But I don't know if the Panini man is like a stick man. I've got that in my head.
Speaker 1:I'm not sure if that's true but Chow was sort of made up of the the trickle-o, wasn't he trickle-o of it? Yeah, italian flight segments.
Speaker 2:I said this to you last time the only mascot ever in World Cup history not to have a head, it's got a football for a head.
Speaker 1:I mean it's sort of a head isn't it. Yeah, he's got a head, it's just a football.
Speaker 2:Hey Arnold, move it football head. You would have definitely said that to him. But anyway, the tournament starts and the first game of the tournament, I think, is really. I think this sums up the tournament. The first game sums up the tournament better than anything. It's Argentina-Cameroon Awful game of football. I watched it bite during COVID because there was nothing else to do when FIFA put all these games on. Shocking game of football. Maradona, best player in the world at the time, kicked to death. Two Cameroon players are sent off. I've shown you this foul since. Actually I don't think you'd seen it in the first time. That unbelievable foul on Canega with his three Cameroon players in a row when they're just booting him.
Speaker 2:He loses his boot and in fairness, I'll just hit her now for the diving at the time and stuff. Canega's still trying to he one boot on another man just comes in and absolutely takes him out. It's incredible. Cameroon was just, they were shooting from halfway line. They didn't give a shit, they were just like so dirty. No one remembers that. All people remember is Cameroon beating the champions at the time, argentina.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and I remember them sort of being jolly and happy. I don't think back to them as being a particularly dirty team, but yeah, so dirty.
Speaker 2:And it was brilliant, because everyone hated Argentina, because of all the Maradona cheat stuff. Everyone hated it. Everyone was like, yeah, get stuck into it. And he said Jimmy Greaser Scent and Greaser, I think, were on every day at the time. Imagine that now. I'd love that. Now, Obviously they're both not with us anymore, but when they were here, it they were here it wouldn't work now would it, It'd be rubbish. But yeah, Jimmy Greaves said I don't even think you'd get away with that tackle in Twickenham, Saint. And guess what Saint did? I bet he went. Yeah, yeah, yeah, like slapping his leg at all sorts, yeah, it's a funny old game.
Speaker 2:It's a funny anyhow game, but yeah, all you remember is Cameroon. Cameroon were a huge memory. As you said, in this tournament, I've got the shirt.
Speaker 1:I still remember the kit. Yeah well, I think probably because I've seen you in it, but I still remember the kit very vividly Not as good.
Speaker 2:Yeah, my Adidas bits fell off it. I'm not happy about that at all, but I'm still going to wear it.
Speaker 1:Yeah, stick with it. But, yeah, brilliant. And obviously I don't remember that first game, but I think you're right. In terms of setting the tone, it seems to be like a I don't know a bit less flair. I mean, did the Italians play with any flair? I know they're famously defensive but, I, imagine them as being quite a bit more flamboyant in this tournament. No, Italy.
Speaker 2:They in this tournament, no, italy were really. They only conceded one goal all tournament and they really struggled in the group.
Speaker 1:I think in my head Scolacci scores about seven times in every game.
Speaker 2:I think they beat the USA. Usa plays the first game and I think they lost 5-0 to Czechoslovakia. You can get I don't know what it is, it might be CNN or whatever it is, it might be Fox Sport of it the American. And before the Czechoslovakia game there's all these Americans like this is the first World Cup since the 50s and they're all going. I can see us getting a point today. Man, I can definitely lose 5-1. So then they play in Italy next and they're all going. Just keep the score below double figures and they only win 1-0, italy. So they really struggled to score, baggio and Vialli, I think think it were. And then the main man comes on.
Speaker 1:We'll talk about him now in fact roberto baggio. Would it be in this?
Speaker 2:roberto baggio, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1:Most expensive player in the world, dino baggio is more sort of like usa and france, weren't they?
Speaker 2:yeah, dino, but yeah, dino baggio is his brother, isn't it? But obviously roberto baggio, four years later, and I remember, for missing that pair, we might do that, but obviously italy. Um, everyone remembers toto scolace and he's a great story. A real unlikely hero Played one season in Serie A up to this point and he was a really short pick for the squad. He was like fifth-choice striker. He'd had a decent season at Juve, but he wasn't Del Piero, would he be?
Speaker 2:He wasn't around in this one. He might have been playing, but he wasn't in the Italy squad. He had air as well in this tournament Gianluca, gianluca but he had a really poor tournament. So Scolacci comes on in a game where they're really struggling to break down I think it's Austria and he scores and he never looks back and he ends up with six goals in the Golden Boo. But what's really interesting about this is what's amazing about World Cups is it disappeared after this in an international sense? He only ever scored one more goal for Italy and never played for him again after 1991. I love what World Cups can do, where you can have a month you could be shit your entire career or average your entire career. Do you know what I mean this one month you've taken?
Speaker 1:over your contract For our age group and maybe people older I doubt younger, but cement yourself as a legend for a good month of football. If I was listing real iconic world players, I would put Scalacci in there, and obviously you take this tournament out and he isn't. No, no, no.
Speaker 2:I mean the closest I can sort of think of it in an England sense is in the World Cup we got to the semis. It's a really crap team. I think Aaron Maguire were amazing in that and he'd like genuinely be going down as like a Bobby Moore figure, if you know what I mean.
Speaker 1:If he'd have won that World Cup, david Batty he had a good tournament in 98.
Speaker 2:That's what I mean. There's players who just like turn up for these tournaments. Trevor Sinclair in 2002 he only played because he had loads of injuries and he was incredible. He could have been a World Cup winner. Obviously, Scolacci's on a massive different level, because Scolacci ends up as the top goal scorer in the tournament and then just disappears. And incredible. I love World Cups for that. Roger Miller is another one you have to mention. Everyone knows about. He's obviously danced. Do you like his little dance? Do you ever try to do that in the playground?
Speaker 1:Oh yeah, certainly Like a little samba move, wouldn't it?
Speaker 2:Yeah, I remember. I love Cameroon Absolutely Because, again, it's the first tournament and they'll always have that place in my heart Cameroon, I just love that. I love the fact that they used to shoot from the halfway line for a kick-off, even as a kid, I think. Why didn't everyone just do that? Goals massive. And then one of the best moments in the tournament, in fact, is when you know Higuito, who obviously did the scorpion kick, which we should do an episode, by the way, on that scorpion kick, Because every time I think about that, what a mad thing to do.
Speaker 1:Every time somebody's putting together a compilation of World Cup moments that will be in it.
Speaker 2:It has to be, it's not a World Cup. That's not a World Cup moment.
Speaker 1:It was just friendly against England.
Speaker 2:Oh, right, right, sorry, yeah, and I mean, alright, it's only a friendly, but why would? How do you even? I can't imagine even what's going through his head. Anyway, that's for another day, but he's doing that. He was the first sweeper keeper, really, Aguita, that I know of, anyway, and he used to come out almost like to the halfway line and everyone went, oh, what's he doing? What?
Speaker 1:about Grobbelaar. What do you have to say about that?
Speaker 2:Grobbelaar did. Yeah, but Aguita, he used to take free kicks and things like that yeah, he played really high up didn't he? And in this one, in the Argentina-Colombia second round, roger Miller nicks the ball off him as he's outside his area, runs it into the net and then does his dance, and I love that again as a great moment. Two really colourful kits Columbia and Cameroon We've got both of those kits actually. And then Higuita doing his thing, getting robbed by this 38-year-old. No one actually knows his name, his age, do they?
Speaker 1:Well, no, there was sort of the old thing, weren't there, that he sort of said he was in his late 20s and it turned out he was in his late 30s or something. I don't know whether that was ever proven or not.
Speaker 2:I can't say let's just enjoy him. Let's just enjoy him, man. I can't say that this happened, but I will be amazed if Des Lynam didn't look at when they were doing replays or whatever. He's the oldest swinger in town or something like that. Do you know when?
Speaker 1:he's doing his dance.
Speaker 2:He definitely will have said that.
Speaker 1:And if he hasn't, if you're off out tonight, just remember you might be good on the dance floor, but Roger Miller is king of the swingers.
Speaker 2:Yeah, good night, yeah, brilliant, Absolutely amazing.
Speaker 2:He missed a trick. Yeah, he missed a trick. So Cameroon get to the quarterfinals, which is the furthest any African nation had got to, and that's record held until Morocco got to the semifinals in the last World Cup. And they were still dismissed as a joke, like you said, cameroonies or Cameroonie-loonies or whatever they were called. And England got them in the quarterfinals and Howard Wilkinson, who was like a scout for for England at that time, said he did his report. He said this is a bye. I don't know why he thought that They'd already beat Argentina and Colombia two decent sides. He said this is a bye. And then in the tunnel, as they're warming up, as they're coming out should I say all the Cameroon players are all singing and stuff and Bobby Robson says oh, you do a good, bobby Robson, you don't know. Good, bobby Robson, do you?
Speaker 1:This is shoehorned, isn't it?
Speaker 2:Well it is, but In the second half we referenced back to me doing an impression.
Speaker 1:So we've got to try and fit it in again, but I can't quite remember how I did it. But I was trying to do a Bobby Robson impression.
Speaker 2:So Bobby Robson said look about the Cameroon player. Look, they're singing because they're scared. So if you can do a Bobby Robson, they're singing man because they're scared.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it's Chris Waddle, you can't do. Yeah. So you said it sounds like Waddle. So I said no, well, what I'll do then is I'll do Chris Waddle doing an impression of Bobby Robson.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. So do it again. Just remind me singing because they're scared, are we man?
Speaker 1:They're singing because they're scared right? They?
Speaker 2:can't even see man. Imagine if Robert Robson said they can't even see man, they can't even see and anyway so. But then one of the Cameroon players turns around and says Mr Robson, we are not scared of England, we do this every game. And they were like fucking hell. And he said they were all massive, with like sweat pouring off them that hyped up for it Completely outplayed England. There's another match that I watched in COVID.
Speaker 1:I can't watch it innit. He's getting killed out there. He ain't getting killed, he's getting mad, he's getting mad.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and Cameroon battered England. I've watched this game back Again. What easily probably the best game. The two best games of the tournament actually involved England. The one we'll come on to is the West Germany one. This is an unbelievable game. England have won a lot. Platt scores again and he said it's there, but it's Brian Moore, actually Really underrated commentator. It's that boyish smile again and obviously Platt puts one in.
Speaker 1:I could do what I'll do in Brian Moore. If you want Go on, then if you want.
Speaker 2:That should be your little thing your standard thing. But yeah, so he scores. Platt Cameroon are all over us, absolutely all over us. They get back into it. I think they get a pen. Gazza gives a pen away, then they go 2-1 up, miss loads of chances. Shelton pulls a couple of good saves off. To be fair, not really because I mean quickly. Kevin has touched on this many times, but he's the worst penalty saver in the history of football. Peter Shelton, is it something like three saves in his entire career?
Speaker 1:I'm not exaggerating, I think it is something like that there is something in there where, obviously, like Letizia, he's got this sort of really iconic scored 50 out of 51 or something, and he's almost like the opposite, isn't he Like saved one out of 50 or something?
Speaker 2:as it any like saved one out of 50 or something. It's not a joke this. I think it's something like faced a to save free, which is unbelievable for me. They can't be that, but it is something ridiculous something I swear.
Speaker 1:I think research I don't know how many.
Speaker 2:How many penalties, like I say, we're treading up by the cook, the Kevin, are going in a muscle for Peter she'll and penalty and put it in penalty saves penalty.
Speaker 1:What would you call it Like record? Yeah, penalty record.
Speaker 2:yeah, they get a penalty in this, actually, cameron, as I said, and they obviously score it. I'll carry on talking as you research it.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it's alright, I'm on transfermarketscouk. Will they tell you how?
Speaker 2:many you can see Anyway, and then England really luckily get a penalty. It's a great ball from Gazza Lineker's brought down Gary Lineker, he scores the pen. I thought.
Speaker 1:by the way, the second half of this is where we're going down the England route. Yeah, yeah, yeah, we're not in danger of going over something.
Speaker 2:No, no, no, because I just want to talk about the Cameroonie Lunas really, rather than anything else. And then England get another in Cameroon. By that point of like they've run out of ideas. But I think I think it's Chris Waddle full enough. He comes off the pitch at the end of the game and he says I'll let you say it again if you want. He says to Howard Wilkinson some buy.
Speaker 1:That was Um. Who said that? Robson or?
Speaker 2:or Waddle said it to Howard Wilkinson. Oh yes, mad jamaican, unbelievable. So cameroon are out, um, but massive memories of cameroon and the other boys in green, your boys in green, few people. You don't like to talk about it that much do you, but you are from sort of from ireland, aren't?
Speaker 1:you? Uh, my dad is from the emerald isle, so I do that thing that lots of english people do plastic paddy. Yeah, cling to their Irish connection, yeah.
Speaker 2:But in the 90s.
Speaker 1:I wasn't Irish, but it's kind of become this thing that I sort of claim to be Irish now.
Speaker 2:Always going on about the Irish, but to be fair, it wasn't that cool as far as I know. Looking back To say you were Irish, quite cool now obviously, to say you're Irish, certainly like, I don don't know, they've completely changed. So they're like like this says on partridge uh, gap to simpleton, uh, obviously the thing he said, uh, whatever he says anyway on partridge about the irish, the unemployment, really iron stuff in ireland and all this sort of stuff, and obviously the troubles are going on and all that. And it's so good this. How big football can be for countries because, although I don't think, think the Irish team doing well in this World Cup changed the finances of the country or whatever, we get all that it's the first real time that you see in a World Cup that, ah, come on, we're going for the crack. Do you know all the Irish people going?
Speaker 1:out to win. Yeah, that documentary that you sent me. That's the woman who plays Mrs Doyle, is it?
Speaker 2:Yeah, ah sure, we were there for the crack. We're never going to win that thing. You know we're not going to go for the crack and that was the first time I remember. I remember seeing all their fans on the show. All our fans are obviously England fans are fucking fighting and you know what I mean, getting into trouble and stuff and I just thought, well, that's, you know, that's normal football. Then I see these Irish lads coming out Sorry this is absolutely insane.
Speaker 1:This go on. I thought you must have hugely exaggerated. In his career, he saved three penalties and his total non-saved penalties was 108. What, oh my god?
Speaker 2:that is outrageous, isn't it there's a big thing actually in the semi-final that they say it's the 3%.
Speaker 1:It's like a bit of a myth actually a world cup.
Speaker 2:Myth is that Dave Besson were on the bench for the semi-final against West Germany and people say yeah, because he was a really good penalty. He saved a penalty in the FA Cup final for Wimbledon. Everyone said he was a really good penalty. Stopper massive guy used to be called Lurch that was his nickname. It's a myth, it's bench. It was actually Chris Woods on the bench who, as a Sheffield United fan, I've seen him make many a mistake.
Speaker 1:Yeah, terrible for Wednesday every time I saw him as a kid we used to say Chris Woods like a spuds, but I don't know if that's just because I'm an United fan and it rhymes so yeah.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, yeah. So Chris Woods probably wouldn't have made a difference, but Shulton certainly once that went to penalties.
Speaker 1:You can shoot me as well. You might as well just not put a keeper in and hope that that puts them off so much that they kind of miss the target.
Speaker 2:Imagine that You've got it at the target. Imagine if you don't hit the target with no keeper. I bet honestly, like I don't know, lineker would have been better.
Speaker 1:I think he would have had a better chance If you just stood your chance of saving it.
Speaker 2:I remember after Shilton always saying I dive the right way for everyone and you were like, yeah, but you know they were very fucking net. Do you know what I mean? Anyway, we're going on to England later on. So as for Ireland, ireland, obviously. But again, it's another thing. People forget Ireland was shocking Ireland. Their 0-0 against Egypt in the group stages is often cited as the worst ever World Cup game. So great footage after that on. Is it RTL, the Irish channel?
Speaker 1:RT sorry.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that'll be right. And Eamon Dunfay, he like throws a pen in anger and Jack Charlton like refuses to speak to him after and stuff, because he's saying this is the worst of Charlton football and all this sort of stuff. They didn't win a game all tournament and they got to the quarterfinals because they got three draws in the group and then they got to obviously. Then they got the penalty shootout win against Romania, which everyone remembers, and Pat Bonasevi, and then narrowly went out to scotch his goal against Italy, I assume, as well, was this the sort of first major tournament where you had all the sort of English-born players popping up?
Speaker 2:Yeah, well, yeah, I think Big Town's ever in there. I watch it. It comes up on my YouTube highlights. Yeah, I mean.
Speaker 1:Cascarino, ray, houghton Town's End. There's others isn't there.
Speaker 2:Paul McGrath was Irish, weren't he in fairness?
Speaker 1:Jack.
Speaker 2:Charlton obviously weren't Irish himself.
Speaker 1:He's. Obviously. You could do a Jack Charlton as Chris Waddle if you want same accent. I wasn't born in Ireland, but I consider myself an Irishman.
Speaker 2:Brilliant. We'll get on to the 1994 one where you can have a big talk about Jack Charlton's white cap that he wore in that tournament.
Speaker 1:I love the concept of anyone wearing a smart white shirt, a tie and a huge baseball cap. I absolutely love that.
Speaker 2:If people don't know what we're on about, just type in Jack Charlton 1994. He looks ridiculous. He's really smart with a massive baseball cap on he looks about 70.
Speaker 1:He looks like my granddad a little bit as well.
Speaker 2:He's unbelievable. So Ireland obviously gets the quarters get knocked out. We're talking about the home nations, obviously. Well, ireland aren't the home nations. That's one of the things they don't like to be called in fact, isn't it yeah?
Speaker 1:yeah, the.
Speaker 2:Republic. They'll not be happy being called the home nations, but they obviously get the coverage the British teams do. We should mention Scotland and, as I said to you last time, liam, what did Scotland do?
Speaker 1:Well, I think they did nothing didn't they?
Speaker 2:They got knocked out immediately in the first round, as usual.
Speaker 1:so that's them, I bet once again, though I bet they were massively confident they were going to win it. I love that about the jokes.
Speaker 2:Every tournament.
Speaker 1:They think they're going to win it.
Speaker 2:By far the best thing about Scotland and I give a massive sympathy for this as someone who supports a crap team myself is they always have that. They never. They don't often just get hammered like every game.
Speaker 1:It's a plucky effort.
Speaker 2:Yeah, so what they normally do, and they did it in this World Cup. They started right we've got Costa Rica, we're going to beat these easily. These are crap. Who's ever heard of Costa Rica? They lost 1-0, and everyone's going oh my God, scotland, disgrace. Then they play Sweden they were like an outside bet to get into the semifinals or whatever. Beat them 2-1, and then they play Brazil and they're so close to getting an equaliser that put them through. They lose 1-0. A really good performance.
Speaker 1:Lose 1-0 to Alan Brazil, to a solo Alan Brazil.
Speaker 2:Yeah, but like you say, they are so funny I mean just thinking back then.
Speaker 1:I mean, presumably you'd have Strachan, you'd have Hansen Stuart McCall you've got Too early for McCoy.
Speaker 2:No, mccoy is there. Yeah, ali McCoy is there. He's got some really good players and again, like I said, when they lost to Costa Rica, here they are stupid Andy. Gray would be finished by then. I think he'd finish by that point, Gordon Dure top-flight player I played the game. No, he'd gone by then. I think he was managing Rangers. But classic Scotland, they get there, they give all the fans help and then they. It's like what we said last week about Silvio Every time I think I'm out they in.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so that's that. Yeah, I think. Shall we leave it there and move on into the previously recorded second half of the episode? So let's, I think we should probably try and remember England's journey. What we can of it, so obviously the well. You've done some research, I'm assuming. So you know pre-Belgium, don't you? So take us through the games then.
Speaker 2:So England weren't great actually. So you know pre-Belgium, don't you? So take us through the games then. So England weren't great actually. Again, it's another one of those things where people remember this England team massively differently to the as it was. They had a terrible performance in the first game against Republic of Ireland. They had a really I didn't know that. Yeah, yeah, yeah. The first game it's when Gar gary lineker shits himself, isn't it?
Speaker 1:yeah, it sounds crazy, but yeah, that is a thing you know that, yeah, she shits himself.
Speaker 2:And then for about 20 now about what? Four or five years they don't really do it anymore. Every time gary lineker tweets, someone used to put shat on, so whatever, we're talking about.
Speaker 1:So that's crazy, right why?
Speaker 2:why? What? What happened there then? Do it. He ran, he had a bit of stomach issue before and, uh, he went. He was running and he felt himself going and he'd shat himself and he had to sit on the floor and he sort of wipes his arse against like the the turf. Yeah, shat on Gary Lineker Against the turf like a dog.
Speaker 2:So on Twitter for ages he just puts them up like I don't know, Goodwin for Chelsea, and someone would put shat on Chelsea, like wherever he would talk. Imagine him today like I don't agree with the war in Israel, shat on Israel. You know that sort of stuff. But yeah, he's, and then he had to, he didn't come out.
Speaker 1:Maybe he didn't have any credibility.
Speaker 2:After shitting himself live on air.
Speaker 1:No, the woke stuff.
Speaker 2:Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, no no.
Speaker 1:I did mean the.
Speaker 2:There's a lyric with that pre-woke he shits himself. That's how like unwoke he were.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it's what a journey that is.
Speaker 2:Yeah, what a journey from shitting himself there. But yeah, he shats himself against the Republic of Ireland in a one-on-one draw. Then we had a really good performance against Holland, but we drew 0-0, and we squeezed past Egypt 1-0, so it was crap. Really Weird thing about this group, by the way, is Republic of Ireland and Holland, or the Netherlands we're supposed to call them now?
Speaker 1:but I'm just going to go and say that.
Speaker 2:And then, yeah, they had to draw lots because they finished on the same goals, same points and everything, so they had to draw lots to ever finish second and third. And Ireland won the lot, so they ended up playing Romania.
Speaker 1:That's mad, isn't it?
Speaker 2:Yeah, and Holland ended up playing Germany. And it's when, do you know? When? Rijkaard spits on Rudi Valois' hair twice. Oh yeah, it's horrible, it's horrible because he's got that perm he sort of sticks in his hair and looks around like it's horrible. Yeah, anyway, back onto England.
Speaker 1:So is that still theoretically possible now, doug, because obviously we have all sorts of things.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, yeah, but it is possible that in a group stage.
Speaker 1:You'd have to draw lots. That just seems like something's not right there.
Speaker 2:Seth Blatter is there. There's footage of it, should I say, on YouTube, and it's just Seth Blatter and he just draws someone out. It goes Ireland. So Ireland finished second, Ireland finished third and Ireland go out in the next round.
Speaker 1:So Seblata takes two envelopes, one from Ireland, one from Holland.
Speaker 2:Sees which one's got most money in it.
Speaker 1:It says Ireland.
Speaker 2:This is where Ireland are like. This is where it came round, isn't it? Ireland's like massive economic uprise. That's why they're like so poor and stuff back then, because they gave Seblata so much money. Yeah, but yeah. So obviously they beat Belgium in the under 20th minute and then they completely didn't deserve to beat Cameroon, but none of that's remembered. The only three, I think the three correct me if I'm wrong the three biggest things that you remember from England in this tournament.
Speaker 1:Let me tell you and see if they are, what Go on then. So Gaza, yeah, gaza crying, gaza crying. And more specifically, lenny Kassian, have a word with him.
Speaker 2:That's brilliant that I mean I. I went through a stage of trying to do that in everyday situations. Do you know what I just Give? The eye, but no one got it, because I probably did it. So shit I believe you. Yeah, I used to do that when my yeah, it didn't work Anyway.
Speaker 1:Obviously the plaque goal.
Speaker 2:Yep. Yeah, I've got that, yep.
Speaker 1:And what would the third be? The third would be, I suppose, was going out.
Speaker 2:Yeah, waddle's penalty. Yeah, waddle's penalty, which is one of the worst. I've seen an interview with Waddle where he says, if we're going to place it, but then Stuart Pearce missed, hold on. Yeah, you do. No, it's all right. I don't know what he's going to say he said I thought after seeing Stuart Pearce miss, he thought I'm just going to leather it. And he did leather it and obviously the joke for years after whether it was still going in space. He hit it that hard, he hit it into Mars.
Speaker 1:Oh, he did smash it. Yeah, yeah, absolutely.
Speaker 2:Because I'm always one of them. When I watch a penalty I say just smash it, just hit it. But then you watch Waddle and you think maybe not actually.
Speaker 1:Yeah, but to be fair, to be fair to Chrissie Waddle we once I don't know if it's fair to say we saved him getting beaten up, but we once.
Speaker 2:Oh yeah, we did.
Speaker 1:Intervened, didn't we?
Speaker 2:when a group of lads come on, he was a bit, he had a few. He was getting a bit leery and these Sheffield United fans went up to him and just like you're a prick, you're not bad. And he went woah, woah, come on, lads, he's alright. And we were said after I was playing in the World Cup semi-final. He's got these dickheads up to him in a pub, but anyway, england going to the semi-final.
Speaker 1:But sorry. What I would say, though, is to be fair to Waddle I mean, I'm kind of going to contradict myself. I think you've got to hit the target is the main thing he's got to hit the target.
Speaker 2:He's not like Roy Keane, then he's got to hit the target.
Speaker 1:I would rather somebody misses by blasting it than somebody tries to be clever with a little chip or a little silly little place thing. Always whack it as hard as you can.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, yeah, but preferably within the sticks.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I mean, like I say, england went into this game against West Germany. They'd been pretty shit all tournament and they were massive underdogs West Germany obviously the best side in it by a mile and we went back. But we were fantastic. I've watched this game. It's one of them things you do in COVID, you know, when there was nothing to do, and I watched the full 120 minutes on penalties of this game in COVID. England were unbelievable on the night, like one of the best England performances I've ever seen. Went behind to a flute goal but came back to equalise through Lineker again Goal-scoring superstars, like sensible soccer. You're a goal-scoring superstar hero. But then in extra time it's one of the best bits of extra time I've ever seen in football. Both teams go for it. They're both at a post. Waddles, it's a post and it's so Every time I watch it back it's a bit like that Gazza one in 96. When it comes across, you think it's going to go in this time. Yeah, when he puts his leg out, this Waddle one, it's the inside of the post.
Speaker 1:Yeah yeah, the angle sort of tells you that it shouldn't come back the way that it does.
Speaker 2:Really, but I think one of the biggest things that's happened. Well, I don't know. Gazza goes in for a challenge, mistimes it. This is an extra time.
Speaker 1:He is late, by the way, he is late.
Speaker 2:It is a booking, but he makes a massive meal of it. The German player, obviously he gets a booking, they do, don't they? Well, back in these days they were proper run out. It's a brilliant dive from Klinsmann in the final actually final actually where he sort of he gets five years a foul but then he likes sort of I don't know, he like does like a somersault, like when he's on the floor it's brilliant, uh. But yeah, gazza gets booked, which means he, even if england got to the final, he would, he wouldn't be able to play, and he bursts into tears and bob robson has just said well, you'll come back, you'll have more of these. And he didn't. So you imagine, like if he had got to the final it almost would have been worse, in a way.
Speaker 1:Obviously, he's a sort of fragile individual, unbelievably talented, but it's quite disappointing really that reaction, isn't it? Obviously, one of my heroes is Roy Keane.
Speaker 2:I'm going to go against you a little bit here, carry on now.
Speaker 1:Well, I'll speak with facts and then you can come back with whatever you want. So semi-final Roy Keane gets booked, knows he's going to miss the final puts in the game of his life yeah, yeah, yeah because it doesn't obviously matters to him and obviously he's gutted.
Speaker 1:But then it becomes more about well, I'll get the team there, then I've done my bit if I can contribute to getting the team to the final. I can't play in that game, but at least I can try and get us into that game, to just let you know it's a professional footballer, you sound like Phil Liotardo off Soprano.
Speaker 2:He's crying like a fucking woman, Frankly he went down in my estimation. Yeah, I think. Right, I know what you're saying, but I think he's's not a 17 year old.
Speaker 1:This is a well-paid, established footballer.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:Deal with the situation. No, I'm not against. Listen. I watched an old clip of Good Night Mr Tom today with John Thorne. I was welling up. I'm not disputing the emotion, I'm just saying cry after the game, but perform in the game. That's what you're there for.
Speaker 2:But I think that right. So England going to lose, as everyone knows, big baby England obviously going to lose on pens Waddle, as we've mentioned the decisive penalty. But I think this match, and in particular Gazza crying, genuinely changed everything about football, good and bad. I think. The drama of it all, the sadness, I think the fact Gazza crying on the pitch, this working class lad, massive drinker, big wind-up merchant, and he's there showing his emotions and crying isn't frowned upon now, certainly not in sport. I know what you're saying. This is in the middle of the game, so it's a completely. You're making a different point. It's not the crying you're bothered about, it's the just like oh, fucking hell.
Speaker 1:No, it's perform. I don't mind if after the game if he's devastated and he's got to be consoled. But I mean really to be honest, as soon as you get that reaction, he's got to come off the pitch. I don't know if we had any subs left. But you're not fit for purpose, then you can't play a part in this anymore, I'm afraid.
Speaker 2:Yeah well, he should have took a penalty. He would have had to take a penalty and he couldn't take one. He was still crying by that point, fucking longest cry of all time. He was crying for about two hours. But I think all this like before this it was English, like the stiff upper lip, get on with it, and all that, but I do think Gaza crying had a massive bearing on almost, like certainly in football. I think all that and the way england went out led, led the game to becoming more popular, to a wider audience, including families. You've got remember before this were all the hooligans, england nearly got pulled out of the tournament before because they thought the hooligans were that bad.
Speaker 2:Margaret thatcher said she didn't want them in the tournament. She wanted to pull them out of the tournament because of all the shit. After this stadiums became safer obviously due to the hillsborough disaster as well but because women and children were getting into football, it weren't just seen as like these Nathaniel men or anything like that. It wasn't seen as like a lowbrow thing anymore it was seen as like high class drama.
Speaker 1:I've never heard that word said like that before. What? Like the sort of caveman peoples? How did you say it?
Speaker 2:Nefanderhol, I can't say it Neanderthal, neanderthal.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that's it. Yeah, I know.
Speaker 2:Nefanderhol, yeah, like a sort of Swedish crime series or something. Yeah, neanderthal. Yeah, really. Yeah, I don't know, I can't speak.
Speaker 1:But, anyway.
Speaker 2:No, I know.
Speaker 1:Yeah, in a very sort of butch manly game we got to see this bit of emotion, I suppose.
Speaker 2:And do you not think that changed football in the sense that now it became far more family-friendly? Not just Gaza crying, but the whole emotion of England losing in that way, almost. I think that for English football that was a massive breakthrough moment, more so than if they'd have won. I think, the drama of all that game it was suddenly cool after that and respectable to like football after just being seen like this game for thugs. That was the perception. Crowds massively rose in the aftermath of Italian night. Obviously, sky bought the rights to top flight Premier League football and, for better or worse, the audience changed from what was seen as like just a working class man's game.
Speaker 2:I think this is all down to Paul Gascoigne crying in the middle of the pit. I think it changed the world. I think that's a good If I wrote a book on it the tears that changed the world. No, I do think that the drama of that one game not necessarily Gaza crying, but the penalties and all that that was the catalyst to what football is now, for better or worse, yeah, and it makes me think of yeah, peep, show Pour me another drink Pour me another drink.
Speaker 2:But I do think everything changed after this. As you know, in English football it might have done anyway after the Hildreth disaster. To be fair, it might have, but I think in terms of the public, the people sort of, no. I do get it, it might have.
Speaker 1:But I think in terms of the public, people sort of different people watching it we were two of them when it grabbed. I think in a human element. I absolutely get what you're saying. To see this kind of sporting hero so upset on the pitch, quite moving, probably made people think they have got a softer side. They are real people. I do get that, and the drama as well.
Speaker 2:Yeah, the drama of him crying the best player on the pitch where she was in that game, he can't play in the final. How unfair is that? Do you know what I mean? It all adds to this. I think this is the most. I'm going madder and madder as I'm going clickbait stuff. I think this is the most pivotal game of football in the history of England.
Speaker 1:This is the most important moment in the human history isn't it People talk about?
Speaker 2:you know what I mean. Like I don't know what's the most important thing that's ever happened in the world. I can't think of anything bigger than. England.
Speaker 1:We invented fire, so you've got one hand, you've got humans inventing fire. On the other hand, you've got Paul Gascoigne crying.
Speaker 2:And Chris Waddle missing a penalty. Yeah, it's a fine balance. Unbelievable drama. This game is the Like I said would you have been into football if it wasn't for this game?
Speaker 1:I think so. I just think it would have took me longer to kind of find that real moment of engagement.
Speaker 2:They wouldn't have got it in Euro 92, because we were fucking shy in that tournament.
Speaker 1:I thought we'd qualify no 94. We didn't qualify.
Speaker 2:Euro 92, we scored one goal with Graham Taylor, weren't it With Denmark?
Speaker 1:Denmark won it. Yeah, yeah. No, I don't. Obviously, I've seen some stat about it since, but no, I don't remember that at all.
Speaker 2:No, but that's where that started, though you are the number one on RTV, but, like I said, this is the most important thing that's ever happened. Basically, this game, the World Cup, went on to be won, obviously, by West Germany, and this is the last time they compete as West Germany. I was just going to ask you that.
Speaker 1:Yeah, Literally the last tournament, it was East Germany the last game.
Speaker 2:The last game was West Germany, I believe. So anyway, it was them beating Argentina. Another fucking terrible game. Argentina had two men sent off. Do you know what? Actually, interestingly, at the end of this game Maradona cries and no one's got any sympathy for him. Even though he cries at the end of the game as you should, everyone going like I remember, even at the time, people going, oh, look at him, what a cheat. Because he cheated four years earlier and no one had any sympathy for him at all, whereas Gazza, poor old Gazza- yeah, rightly so, I think.
Speaker 2:Team Maradona then, Am I team Maradona Above team Gazza in the crying wars, in the crying game? No, no.
Speaker 1:I ain't got any problems with Maradona crying. I think he yeah, I think he reaps what he sows, doesn't he? He cheated his way before that. So I don't have any sympathy at all. I do sympathise with Gazza. I just think you should be professional above that, really. But no, I ain't got anything to say at all with Maradona.
Speaker 2:You are also the bastard child of Roy Keane and I'm trying to think of a really hardline woman who's like Anne Robinson. How's it, them two having a kid? No, but anyway. So West Germany win it. It's the end of the tournament and, as I said, itv do this thing about that was shy, let's move on. Let ITV do this thing about. That was shy, let's move on. Let's hope the next one's better. Now that has become and I don't think it's just our generation like this legendary tournament for so many reasons because, as I said, the moments we've not gone through half of it. You've got Gazza crying, you've got the most important thing that's ever happened in the 1-1 draw England-Germany Ireland. Obviously Pachy Bonner saving the penalty.
Speaker 2:You've got Roger Miller dancing yeah, Toto Scalaccio, his mad wild eyes. Rudy Voller getting spat on is an iconic moment, as horrible as it is All the Maradona crying at the end and stuff. All these iconic moments that I think trump everything in any other World Cup in terms of moments. I think if you did a top 10 moments of every World Cup, you'd pick 10 from here.
Speaker 1:Yeah, this did feel like it had a lot of moments, but I mean it's a crap. World Cup Just to finish up, then, what's your favourite World Cup?
Speaker 2:This one because it's my first.
Speaker 1:No, it can't be, because I don't think you remember enough of it All right.
Speaker 2:I really liked, I quite liked, japan and Korea. Actually, I didn't like the kick off times, but I was unemployed at the time. I'd just left school.
Speaker 1:I know I am just left school. I went to college get sacked so he could have a nice summer on the dole. Yeah, he got sacked at.
Speaker 2:KFC, didn't he? Yeah, so, because he wanted a summer on the dole, he could have a nice summer on the dole. Yeah, did, did he just not stop turning up and he ended up with him, yeah oh yeah, he threatened to work yeah, that weren't planned yeah no, no that wasn't planned. I'm going back to surprise.
Speaker 1:But then they had him on camera or something and it yeah, we just didn't really fight it because he fancied a nice summer on the dole. Yeah, yeah yeah, yeah, he did get some sort of discount on his sandwich or something. So he went mad.
Speaker 2:Oh yeah, that were it. Yeah, they won't give a discount on his sandwich. I don't know about you. What would you say off the top of your head?
Speaker 1:France 98, I think, is one that I loved. I think that is a brilliant tournament.
Speaker 2:I watched most of the games.
Speaker 1:I was old enough to kind of really appreciate it. There was the drama of the final and the Ronaldo being ill and the team being ill and England had a bit of a run. Enough to kind of, I think.
Speaker 2:England doing well in a tournament, it does add to it definitely. Yeah, I mean.
Speaker 1:Euro 96 is undeniably special, but my favourite World Cup is probably France 98.
Speaker 2:Yeah, England, actually you say they had a run.
Speaker 2:I think they got knocked out in the second round. But again, it's another good moment when we owe in goal and the penalties and all that sort of stuff. But yeah, I mean we'll probably do more World Cups as we go forward, to be honest. But if anyone ever says to me you can only take one, I don't know you. If anyone ever says to me you can only take one, I don't know. You're going to Desert Island. You can take footage of one World Cup. I'm taking Italian Artie. I'm just looking at the logo on that. It's unbelievable. Everything about it, the colours unbelievable.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I suppose you would get Nessun Dorma as part of the package, would you?
Speaker 2:Because that might swing it for you. Or overlooked rtv theme tune. Um so, but that is italian night a done and dusted. We might go back to gaza at a later date. Maybe you, maybe I can sort of I don't know talk your own.
Speaker 1:We don't mention terry butcher and his bleeding head, and that weren't this tournament, was it but?
Speaker 2:it was qualified qualification for this tournament. Uh, so it's sort of you're not a big fan of terry butcher, are?
Speaker 1:you? No, I think it's him you're not a fan of.
Speaker 2:I think you just don't like how, every time he's mentioned, it'll show you a picture of him with his bleeding head.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I suspect he carries a picture around in his wallet of him with a bleeding head and every time you meet him it would show you that picture. I think, fair play, he carried on playing with a bleeding head. Yeah, you just had to go with Gazza for crying Paul Paul.
Speaker 2:Lynch did it didn't he? No one, you know. Now I see Ince ready for war Gazza good. So you're basically slagging off the entirety of this England team.
Speaker 1:No, I just thought If you watch sort of boxing, You've slagged.
Speaker 2:Lineker off for shitting himself, gazza off for crying.
Speaker 1:I think that's understandable yeah two for two.
Speaker 2:Yeah, butcher, because he thinks. You know he thinks he's too hard. I'm not a big fan of Peter Shilton. I think he's way past it. He saves, he's diving for the penalties and fuck, he's so slow.
Speaker 1:It's ridiculous for the Germany game, the picture of him being outjumped by Maradona where he could use his hands and people say, yeah, but Maradona cheated and used his hand. The mad thing is he didn't need to do that. He could have just headed it. He's got his hand on his head.
Speaker 2:Yeah, waddle with his shit penalty, pierce with his shit penalty, john Barnes did nothing. Peter Beazley didn't score. What nothing. Peter Beazley didn't score Fucking shit, fuck him. What a wank World Cup. Yeah, anyway, next week we're moving on to something, we're going to try something different. I think it's a natural follow on from Italian, isn't it yeah?
Speaker 1:You're probably thinking like right, what would follow on? I'm guessing a lot of people listening have got we're going to do the film. The itv2 daily played film liar, liar.
Speaker 2:But we're gonna do it with a twist. So we're not gonna watch it before we do it and we're gonna try and do a liar liar like sort of go through the plot of liar liar without watching it. I think I can do this because it's been on tv that many times. But let's see what we miss out and what we get wrong.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I've certainly seen it a thousand times. I don't know. It's certainly on several times a day, isn't it? So I've seen bits of it so many times, but I can't remember the last time I watched it as a film, and actually ITV seems to have. It's not been on so much recently.
Speaker 2:Small Soldiers is a big ITV one at the moment and they love a bit of Small Soldiers on there. I don't know if I've watched that, though, small Soldiers. But yeah, we're going to try and do Liar, liar. Somebody, stop me. They obviously don't say that, that's just a bit of a joke, but that's the sort of humour that you might get us getting it wrong.
Speaker 1:Yeah, we're not going to get it. Well, it'd be amazing if we do get it, scene by scene. We're just going to remember it.
Speaker 2:Have you seen that on Family Guy, where he does a reenactment, scene by scene reenactment? Oh, liar, liar, we're basically all going to try and do that. No, I haven't seen that. No, yeah, yeah. So we are actually going to try and do that, but, yeah, so join us for that.
Speaker 1:That'll be episode five in the bag.
Speaker 2:Yeah, we're getting cooking now, aren't we? We thought we were a bit too conservative with the first three or four, so we thought we'd mix it away with a bit of madness.
Speaker 1:Yeah, we're hopefully sort of starting to find our vibe a little bit Get into the groove. The groovy gang. So yeah, stick with us at the groovy gang and we will bring you more great content.
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