WHO REMEMBERS? The UK Nostalgia Podcast
Join "amateur" historians Andrew and Liam (thrice bronze medalists in 'The South Yorkshire Rememberers Chalice') as they travel back in time like Nicholas Lyndhurst in Goodnight Sweetheart and try to remember things from the past.
Do you remember Woolworths? Do you remember when Marathons changed their name to Snickers? Do you remember Del Boy falling through the bar? If so then come and remember with us. If not then stick around and we will probably remember it for you. You literally can't lose so why not hit the play button as hard as Paul Sykes hit that shark?
WHO REMEMBERS? The UK Nostalgia Podcast
Who Remembers........Hulk Hogan?
The wrestling world lost a titan with the passing of Hulk Hogan, leaving us to grapple with the complex legacy of a man whose iconic persona fundamentally transformed professional wrestling and pop culture.
For those of us who grew up in the 80s and 90s, Hulk Hogan wasn't just another wrestler – he was wrestling personified. His larger-than-life character with the 24-inch pythons, handlebar moustache, and trademark red and yellow attire became immediately recognisable to people who'd never watched a single match. At his peak, some argue he was more famous than Michael Jackson or Michael Jordan, a cultural phenomenon whose influence extended far beyond the squared circle.
Hulkamania began its meteoric rise when Vince McMahon signed him to WWF in 1983, following his memorable appearance as Thunderlips in Rocky III. His character's simple but effective message to "train, say your prayers, and eat your vitamins" resonated with millions of young fans, creating a generation of Hulkamaniacs worldwide. His body slam of André the Giant at WrestleMania 3 remains one of wrestling's most iconic moments, a testament to his unparalleled ability to create spectacle despite what many wrestling purists consider limited technical skills.
Yet discussing Hogan means confronting the stark contrast between the beloved character and Terry Bollea, the flawed man behind it. His legacy is tarnished by racist comments, questionable behaviour within the industry, and a pattern of making demonstrably false claims about his own life. This leaves us with difficult questions about separating art from artist and how we reconcile childhood heroes with adult realities. Whatever your perspective on the man, there's no denying the indelible mark his character left on entertainment history – wrestling as we know it today simply wouldn't exist without him. Share your own Hulkamania memories and join the conversation about wrestling's most influential and controversial icon.
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Speaker 2:This is history. I mean, depending who you're talking to, it depends if it's a sad day. I mean, this is not the day of the death, so we're hoping to release this live. This is Tuesday, the 29th.
Speaker 1:Yeah, because we did promise, actually, that we were going to do Arnie versus I nearly said Arnie versus Schwarzenegger, arnie versus Slice the Lowr as the next episode, like the 80s battle, I don't know we'll talk after that.
Speaker 2:I don't know if we do like a double release or something, because it's about yeah, maybe, but we wanted to get this out hopefully, unless you come out with more pure sexist or drivel or extreme racism that I have to edit out, then this will be live today.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, yeah, this should go out on the day, which is obviously.
Speaker 2:Joe, but we'll come back to that in the story of Hulk Hogan.
Speaker 1:But yeah, but like I said, we were supposed to be doing Arnie vs Sly. Yeah, arnie vs Sly, but we were gonna. We got a lot of requests to do Hulk Hogan obviously we talked about him in our last podcast, living With Maid. I've been at Tramlines all weekend, so no tributes to him there. Unfortunately, quite a lot of Rossi tributes.
Speaker 2:Our kind of rule is as well. If they're still going you can't kind of remember them, but obviously now he's not still going anymore, you can remember him and his peak was the very era that we focus on.
Speaker 1:So I think very much in in the wheelhouse, I would say yeah, and, like I said, a lot of people ask us to do it and it's a really difficult one to do, as we'll get on to. But if I ask you straight away, I think this is one of the few people in our life who I think we said this about barrymore in the episode that we lost actually very similar people Hulk Hogan and Barrymore. It's one of those sort of constants that I can't remember. A time before I didn't know who he was.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I mean my first late 80s would be where I first was aware of Hulk Hogan. I remember my cousin watching the wrestling Saturday mornings around about that time. Maybe it's a little bit later but yeah, absolute cultural icon. Whatever you think of the person, the character.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I mean, obviously I don't know how much of it is playing a role, how much you become the character. We can kind of talk about some of that. But Hulk Hogan, I mean I said to, said to you, like when we sort of spoke after he died, I think if you're between the ages of 10 and 80, maybe even 90, you will know who. Who hoken, who hoke h. I can't even say his name Woke, hogan Woke.
Speaker 1:Hogan. He should bring you back doing that. They could do a different version of him.
Speaker 2:couldn't they Woke Hogan?
Speaker 1:I can't imagine that he was a bit woke at his time, though, because he was all about eating your vitamins and all that sort of stuff, I suppose.
Speaker 2:So yeah, but no, just absolute Almost. I think you're going to mention sort of the sort of cartoon character brought to life that you mentioned to me on the phone, but he's up there like was kind of Superman and Spider-Man as this kind of mythical figure. Almost just crazy how this man became such a giant of pop culture.
Speaker 1:Well, I think I mean I've read quite a few things about him because I'm not I've said before and last, we're not wrestling experts or anything like that.
Speaker 2:But would you consider yourself a?
Speaker 1:Hulkamaniac. I don't know if we spoke about this off-air, but he was never my favourite wrestler, but I did like him but I was always more of an Ultimate Warrior Bret Hart sort of man. So I don't know if that Maybe not a Hulkamaniac, but a Hulk, a Hulk, a Hulk-a-fan.
Speaker 2:I liked him Do you know what? I mean, I was a Hulkanawera so I knew of him. Yeah, you weren't a maniac Bothered either way. Oh no, I certainly wasn't a Hulkamaniac.
Speaker 1:I think Hulkamaniac is one of the best terms of all time. By the way, hulkamaniac Think how good that is. It's unbelievable. But anyway, I got a quote off Reddit of someone called what Santa Brings and I think this sums it up. It says if you're a wrestling fan in the 80s, 90s and even noughties and you told people you like wrestling, people would say, oh, you like that Hulk Hogan stuff. And what they actually meant is well, you like professional wrestling, not you like Hulk Hogan wrestling. He was professional wrestling, I, he was professional wrestling. I mean, like I said, younger people might think John Cena is as big or Stone Cold or the Rock, this guy absolutely.
Speaker 2:It was wrestling, wasn't it? It was wrestling To a point where I asked you the other day is there a time period where, potentially, he was bigger than WWF at the time, wwe now?
Speaker 1:Yeah, I think so. I think that's true.
Speaker 2:I knew more of Hulk Hogan than I did of the rest of the scene behind him, I think.
Speaker 1:They were in something called AWA before, and I think there's definitely an argument to suggest that if they'd have used him right because he never won a title in that, they would have been bigger than WWF, because by 1984, vince had signed him in 83, hulkamania had become this thing and the WWF just dominated. I don't think they could have done it without him.
Speaker 2:So is that the point where he sort of came to the forefront, because, like I say, obviously one of the sort of themes of this is we weren't born on the same day, we were one day apart, september 1982. When was he? And also I'm factoring in, by the way, that the UK probably lags a little bit behind me. When was he big in the UK, would you say for the first time? Would it be mid-80s, late-80s? Well, it's interesting.
Speaker 1:His first role before him in WWF were obviously in Rocky III. Remember him in Rocky III. Oh, that was before that, before he played Thunderlips, didn't he?
Speaker 1:yeah, and he obviously takes it seriously in the film that was in 1982, I think that Rocky 3. I think that's right. So it was sort of famous before then, but it was in wrestling there. But, like I say, vince McMahon signed him in 83 and by 1984 it was just a proper phenomenon, to the point where, like you said, we probably didn't get it as much in England or in Britain as they did in America. But I've read loads of things recently, like I say, on Reddit and people like that and said he was bigger than, like, michael Jordan. At that point he was bigger than any Michael Jackson. People said he was bigger than him, more famous than him. It's crazy, for what? Certainly at that point, like a minority sport, if you want to call it a sport.
Speaker 2:Yeah, definitely in the UK, because I found if you didn't have cable or you didn't sort of pay the subscription for whatever it was at the time, you kind of couldn't get a hold of this thing. So I knew people who talked about wrestling. I was aware of it, but, yeah, as a as a pauper in the world of entertainment because I can't remember this.
Speaker 1:So this is who remembers, but I can't remember when it was that I first knew of all cogan. It seems like he's like I said, he seems like he's been there from birth. I didn't have cable, but the first two wrestling VHSs I got was SummerSlam 89 and WrestleMania 3. And he's the main event in both. He was the biggest. He was the main event for 10 years running, Like for wrestling. He won every. I know he did lose matches, but obviously he's not someone who would. He's not like the internet where you can look at stuff like that. To me he never lost. He never lost ever.
Speaker 2:Well, you report we did. We mentioned wrestling a couple of times in the Liverman Maidly podcast. I'm not sure I'd recommend you go back. We did a live watch-along to one of the yeah Go on. What do you call it?
Speaker 1:Wrestling Royal Rumble, royal Rumble, yeah.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I'm not and I'm not quite sure how it works with the storylines and who does what when and how much is real and how much is fake. But there was sort of times where he'd just sort of say that don't work for me, brother, I'm not doing that. Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1:Everyone says well, I say everyone. The big thing is he's a really selfish wrestler where he won't put other people over. If you watch when Ultimate Warrior beats him, wrestlemania 5, yeah, wrestlemania 5, he sort of puts his leg up by the third count, even when he lost and he was scripted to lose he'd make it.
Speaker 1:He didn't really lose he didn't really lose, yeah, but like I say, this is the thing I think he thought it was and arguably was, as you said, bigger than the WWF as soon as he sort of ran out of or he went to do his films, didn't he? Knowles, bard and Suburban Commando? Have you seen those films?
Speaker 2:No, knowles Bard.
Speaker 1:No, holds Bard.
Speaker 2:Knowles, bard by Edmonds, you'd be all over that.
Speaker 1:That'd be amazing, wouldn't it? Edmonds is a tough character. I sent you a picture edmunds recently. He's, he's not far off, he's not far off the 24 inch pythons the pythons are growing on edmunds, aren't they?
Speaker 2:yeah?
Speaker 1:the older he gets, yeah, the more, yeah, the the muscly ever comes. But I, I it was massive in britain, but I think you know, like I said, well, I asked, I asked chat, chat gpt actually who was the most popular wrestler in eng England during the 80s and 90s. And they said it was Hulk Hogan. But it wasn't as popular as it was in America because Bret Hart and British Bulldog were pretty much on a par with him by the early 90s Because obviously they did SummerSlam 92 at Wembley. Despite what Hogan says in Hulk's or in Heaven, you know what he says. He claims he wrestled at Wembley, didn't he? He didn't. Yeah, we mentioned as well. He claims a lot of things.
Speaker 2:He claimed he wrote a tribute song to James Bulger before he died.
Speaker 1:I think yeah yeah, yeah, before he was murdered.
Speaker 2:Yeah, he said it was about James Bulger.
Speaker 1:He saw the iceberg, didn't he?
Speaker 2:He said James.
Speaker 1:It is a ridiculous thing to say. Yeah, he says he was an alchemaniac and he said even his manager, jimmy the Mouth the South Heart, said that it's on Pebble Mill as well, which is funny that he said this yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and he said that he needed to write a song about it, but it came out. It had already been released before he died. I don't know what just a lying bastard might get onto, but I think it worked in america because it was a really simple, simple concept of america conquering the bad guys, which a lot of movies at that point with were like that. Do you know what I mean? How? How big was hulk hogan?
Speaker 2:I'm just gonna do some live research. Do you want to?
Speaker 1:uh well, you'll find a lot of things, because he claimed he was seven foot4 in some interviews, but in reality most people say he was 6'5. 6'4 I've got as a wide search he was billed as 6'7. He claimed once that he was 7'4. Apparently he weighed 302 pounds at his peak and had 24-inch pythons.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I'm not disputing the Python's on a cellular way, but I don't think he was taller than 6'4", I think that's which is still a giant of a man, but yeah. But, like I say, the reason You've touched on it there, haven't you like the nonsense of the character? And this is not a tribute or a sort of bashing of the character.
Speaker 2:But not a tribute or a sort of bashing of the character. Yeah, but how damaging do you think it is to him as a person to play this character all the time and be in this mad? Well, you know, I'm guessing I don't know anything that there's no accusations here, I'm purely guessing. Not even him, but people around him. Lots of drink, lots of, lots of mad times. He's in this kind of career where you're sort of playing a character and you're acting, but you've still got to be an absolute athlete. How much of his brain was just frazzled by this pretense of wrestling and not just that.
Speaker 2:How much nonsense he seemed to come out with.
Speaker 1:Well, yeah, I mean obviously taking all podcasts up. Some of my favourite bits, though, I've written a few down. Obviously, he said he played bass for Metallica. They didn't know about that. Obviously, the Jamie Baldrige thing that we talked about, he said he once got drafted in by the New York Giants. He says Mike Tyson was scared of him. But one of my favourites is when he said Elvis were a Hulkamaniac. Elvis had died before Hulk Hogan had even started wrestling.
Speaker 2:Why does he keep doing that?
Speaker 1:Why does he decide like you can't claim? I don't go around saying people are fucking Andromaniac who all remember maniacs. We should just start doing that.
Speaker 2:Panteriacs, but yeah. But I think the problem is like I say he's doing these events where you've got to kind of think on your feet and say I remember this guy when he was around me as a kid and I told him I'll smash your face in, it's all nonsense you can't go on Pebble Mill and say that you wrote a song about a kid being murdered who hadn't been murdered, but the song had come out.
Speaker 1:That is possibly, if there's a line the most insensitive out, that is possibly. It is a line the most, the most insensitive thing that I've ever. I've ever heard that.
Speaker 2:To be fair um, wherever you choose to draw the line, that seems to go past it, doesn't it like that?
Speaker 1:that seems a step too far, I think you've got the name of the, but it's interesting because on that interview he gets the name of the song wrong as well. He says it's called another hulkamaniac in Heaven and it's called Hulkster in Heaven.
Speaker 2:But this is what I mean, though. If your persona is built on thinking on your feet, coming out with quick stuff doesn't necessarily have to be accurate. It's just about the moment. It's about getting that cheer, getting that response. How much of him is corrupted by the? I'm guessing quite a huge part of him became the character.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and the ego must have been out of control. I mean, everyone says he had a massive ego, he had a shout of being the most famous man in the world in the 80s.
Speaker 2:Yeah, definitely yeah.
Speaker 1:Genuinely the most famous man in the world, and I don't know how that doesn't go to your head. Who's the most famous man in the world? And that? I don't know how that doesn't go to your head. Look at, uh, who's the most famous man in the world now uh, elon musk, donald trump um trump could be trump kind of.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I'm thinking tom cruise maybe, but yeah, I don't know yeah, I mean again sort of putin, or I'm thinking world, they're all egomaniac.
Speaker 1:I'm obviously not putting hogan up there with putin they're all hulker maniacs? Well, no, gallagher did an interview recently. He said he were a fully fledged Hulkamaniac. He says he lives his life by what is it that he used to say Train, say your prayers and eat your vitamins.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:To be fair.
Speaker 2:it's good, it's good advice.
Speaker 1:Oh, you're a great role model for kid, for Kidd, Obviously for Kidd, should I say Like this is what's so.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I'd debate that.
Speaker 1:Well, no, because he never. The character of Hulk Hogan were an unbelievable. I think that he never cheated to win. It was always about you know, don't take drugs and you know, train, say your prayers. Beating the bad guys after every win and this is what's so difficult is because, obviously, the late years have undoubtedly changed his legacy. The lion's funny, I think I can still even find you.
Speaker 2:I think the lion is somebody who's slightly confused by their own life. It doesn't remember a lot of their own life, to be honest.
Speaker 1:And I think that that don't work for me, brother. Stuff where he's basically denying other people chances. You could say he's a prick, but you could say he's earned that as well. The racist stuff is what really changed everything. On his last ever appearance I don't know if you've, I meant to send you this before actually, but you can put it in he's booed on his last ever appearance on WWE, which is quite sad in a way, I read an article of a guy who wrote that.
Speaker 2:It said he's a black guy who loves wrestling.
Speaker 1:He wrestling, he found it quite hard to to kind of reconcile with the character and he said he ended up at the end which he found odd that that was the last moment with him and hulk because most people in that crowd had grown up with him in the same way that we did.
Speaker 1:He's still doing his ear cups and I don't know. Like I don't know, but like I say, and it's a bit like musicians where you say can you separate the art from the artist? You know, we, we talked about Gary Glitter on our Christmas songs and we were talking about can you? I think you picked Roll Ferris as one of your guilty pleasure songs, didn't you?
Speaker 2:Yeah, and the prime example we often give for that, I think, is Morrissey, which you know you don't have to kind of politically agree with him, but you can't deny he's written some fantastic songs.
Speaker 1:But I don't think you could put what morris he said. Anyway, I can't, even we can't repeat what organ said on here.
Speaker 2:Obviously no, and the troubling thing seems to be that not only did he you know, it's not I'm certainly not making excuse, far from it but but in the moment of of being a character and saying the wrong thing, didn't seem to show the sort of real remorse that somebody who actually grasped it that's not okay would have done, I think he actually said that, yeah, I'm a bit racist.
Speaker 1:And you're like, yeah, I mean, but this is the thing and this is the argument with him and this is what loads of. I listened to a podcast today from Jim Cornette, who used to be a manager and used to write storylines and stuff for WWE, and I expected him to go in on him because he has before when I've heard him and he was saying that he's such a complicated legacy because how this guy can you separate Terry Blair I think that's how you pronounce it, that's how you pronounce it his real name from Hulk Hogan? Because you can't take. You can change how you feel about him, but you can't change what those kids felt about him. You can't change what those kids felt about him. You can't change about how he used to make. He was undoubtedly one of the best loved sports men of all time in his pomp and he undoubtedly is the reason WWF in particular, but probably wrestling as a whole, is as big as it is now yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 2:I think you play the character for long enough, you become the character. The line is very much blurred, I think. Yeah, it's difficult, isn't it? Because I? I didn't even know that. So you said, some one of our mates, actually tom, had said are you going to mention the racism or stay away from that? And you said, well, I don't know anything about it. And he said, well, I'll come across cowardly if you don't mention it. Yeah, pretty obvious that way yeah I knew that there was sort of I didn't know about it by everyone and that there was.
Speaker 1:I think there's a sex tape of him sleeping with his mate's wife, or that you know it's not, it's not all good, the story of Hulk Hogan, but you can argue, the story of the character this is what I mean. Yeah, the story of Hulk Hogan could possibly be all good if you take, if you take, if you separate him from the person? Yeah, because he's playing a character, in the same way that johnny briggs played mike baldwin. You can't no matter what he'd have done.
Speaker 2:I know you think there's been a few mike baldwin I think there could be several people playing him, but but if they've been like kind of openly racist on coronation street and you would still think I'm not he hasn't been openly racist yeah, but I'm being openly racist as hulk hogan as I.
Speaker 1:He's played. I'm trying to who's a nice guy? I don't. Who's played a nice guy in soap land like since day one? Has anyone like just been sound?
Speaker 2:oh, he had loads of affairs, kem barlow all right, sorry, so in good guy in the show in the show where you think, uh well, I don't know what's his name? We've got with Hayley.
Speaker 1:Oh.
Speaker 2:Roy Cropper. Roy Cropper, he's a good chap, isn't he? Yeah?
Speaker 1:yeah, yeah, I want to say, by the way, I got with the.
Speaker 2:I wasn't shying away from saying it Was it a trans? I think she was.
Speaker 1:I think she was Hayley An early transsexual, wasn't she?
Speaker 2:Yeah?
Speaker 1:I think it was the first one that ice life we should probably cover that, uh, that story, like they were really good, but when she died I don't know that weren't the best bit.
Speaker 1:But I'm just gonna cut that there, by the way yeah, oh yeah, oh yeah no, obviously not that very thing, yeah all right when she died, all right, I thought, I thought, I thought, I thought what's he doing? I don't work for me, brother that don't work for me, brother, uh, but yeah anyway. Yeah, they have. When she died, it was a really well-written thing.
Speaker 2:Anyway, that's what I'm saying.
Speaker 1:But what I'm saying is if Roy Cropper was, if the actor I can't remember, his name David Nielsen.
Speaker 2:I never thought we'd get to this when we started. I know yeah.
Speaker 1:But David Nielsen, I think he's called. Is it David Nielsen? I think it's David Nielsen who plays Roy Cropper. If be able to watch Coronation Street, I think, and enjoy the character Roy Cropper yeah, I'd like to think so. Yeah, In hindsight, I mean, you'd obviously get sacked, and rightly so, but I'm talking about, but if you're watching like retro Coronation. Street, retro Coronation Street you could still admire his acting in the moment.
Speaker 1:We're a massive fan of Dev, aren't we from Coronation Street? If it came out like something bad about him, then I'd still be able to enjoy his top performances.
Speaker 2:I'd still be able to enjoy Dev in the past.
Speaker 1:You see, I remember when Dev said that oh unbelievable. And I think that's probably a little bit like with Hogan, but on such a massive scale.
Speaker 2:I wonder if there's another podcast or content creator in the world that has compared Hogan's death to Roy Cropper, from Roy Cropper and Dev.
Speaker 1:Yeah, but it's a terrible point I'm trying to make. It's a good point I think I'm trying to make is that you obviously separate the character. I'm trying to think who else he's been. There must be somebody who's played.
Speaker 2:I love that. The point you're trying to make is that the actor is playing a character. Yeah, that's it, and we've ended up at Roy Cropper.
Speaker 1:We've ended up at Roy Cropper, so the character is not him. You could argue it's all been good, Even when he turned heel. It was part of the storyline and it was amazing.
Speaker 2:Yeah, because there was a period of time where it was a bad guy, but even in that space.
Speaker 2:I watched a short clip from the Joe Rogan thing and I know a lot of people said basically a lot of nonsense that he said on that. I don't know enough to call him out on it, but he tells a story about him and the Rock and that he was supposed to be the bad guy but everyone was still cheering him but the Rock was that good that they managed to turn it round again. And it doesn't even make sense because he kind of says people cheered him out at the venue but then in the next seven minutes we turned it around because he was such a professional. Yeah, I've read something today where… I don't know how much he remembers of his own career to be honest.
Speaker 1:Yeah, there's one today with Shawn Michaels where he was saying that they were supposed to have like three matches with Hulk Hogan to see who was the best wrestler of all time, and then Hogan agreed he's going to win the first one. And then time, and then Hogan agreed he's going to win the first one, and then Hogan said that's all I want, I'm doing. One said everything had been agreed, so then Sean Michaels could never win. Do you know?
Speaker 1:what I mean and apparently that's what he did quite a lot things like that. So it's quite interesting to watch that back. Actually, sean Michaels starts like every time Hogan kicks him he starts like diving so over top. Do you know? Like to make a point of like this is ludicrous what's happening? But yeah, apparently there's loads of stuff like that.
Speaker 2:Macho man ate him, the last sort of thing. That today with the Undertaker, where he said whichever event it was and apologies for the true fans, I'm not really up on my wrestling, but there's a fight where he tombstones Hulk Hogan to win the fight and he does it on the chair.
Speaker 2:Oh, yeah, yeah, I know what you mean yeah, and you see the footage and he says Hulk Hogan said to him before I'm a little bit worried about this and he said don't worry, you know this is what I do. I'll treat you really good. I mean the footage. Actually this is what I do a tombstone people.
Speaker 2:So, basically, for anyone who doesn't know, why, would you know what a tombstone is? But he drops to his knees and the theory is that he smashes the person who's holding his neck into the canvas, breaks their neck and that's it game over. But what he does, the Undertaker's a huge bloke. He actually lifts them high enough that when his knees make contact, the head and neck stay well above it, and then he lays them down flat. And he does that with hulk hogan. There's no contact the canvas he's nowhere near.
Speaker 2:Actually he's heading yeah, yeah but he laid on his back and said something like oh, you've done me, brother. And the undersec said oh god, I've kind of nearly killed the golden goose, he said, and I went into the vince mcmahon's office afterwards and he was laid on the floor screaming like it's on my neck and whatever. A few days later I saw the footage and saw that actually it went exactly as planned. There was no contact with his head or neck on the canvas. He was fine, but still he was kind of trying to make it all about himself in that moment could have ended his career because obviously, as you say, hulk Hogan was the main man at that point.
Speaker 1:he could have ended Undertaker's career. And there's another one where he claims that Owen Hart, he fell out with Bret Hart, hulk Hogan, and he goes. Well, owen Hart kept coming up to me and saying I'm with you, brother, I'm with you. Could be true, highly unlikely. True though I don't know like, because Bret Hart and Owen Hart got on Like it's not. Do you know what I mean? It's just, I don't know Such a bizarre legacy because you don't know whether to talk about Hogan as a character but you can't really without mentioning Terry Boel. I can never say his name.
Speaker 2:As a man Bollea.
Speaker 1:Bollea, yeah, as a man, because you know, I mean, I don't know Well, they are in Twine, aren't they?
Speaker 2:I think you're right, yeah.
Speaker 1:There's a reason why. Well, do you know Roy Cropper? It's not actually Roy Cropper, but yeah, it's really really difficult and technically it wasn't a great wrestling either.
Speaker 2:Really unspectacular moveset the leg drop was his Big guy though, wasn't he?
Speaker 1:Yeah, well, this is what I. For people like me as a kid, watching him body slamming Andre the Giant at WrestleMania 3 was much more impressive than Macho man doing all these mad, which in hindsight were miles better. But me as a kid thinking, oh my God, how has he picked this eight-foot man up and thrown him on the floor? And his unbelievable charisma, you know, like his ear cups and all that sort of stuff I always liked and he will not want to be remembered like this.
Speaker 2:So this is not his lasting legacy. I'm going to try and send through to you live in the chat now. Yeah, so on a few occasions that he looks sad, which is quite rare, I'm just sending the picture through now. Tell me when you get it. It's on the chat. And I know what you're going to say. I know, like the yeah, I've seen it, yeah, yeah. So I know there's an obvious reason for this, but do you know the guy out of the thin blue line who says man be can?
Speaker 2:be, cinema fucking david haig, yeah, yeah, yeah. I think whenever he looks sad because he's got that bald head and natash, it really I mean not like when he's doing his sort of macho stuff, but we might even share this as the cover image.
Speaker 1:He plays Steve Flybein, doesn't he on the thick of it as well?
Speaker 2:Yeah, I associate him with that. Yeah yeah, yeah, you're coming in here, fowler, with your pissing about with your mamby-pamby.
Speaker 1:I don't know. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2:Only when he's sad, though I don't think permanent fixture, but yeah, we might use that as a cover.
Speaker 1:It's a weird, weird, weird, weird look because it is bold. It looks like Barry Bannon. Actually I'm looking at this. If Barry Bannon kept his hair growing, it's such an unlikely. It looks weird. I know it's the 80s and stuff as well.
Speaker 2:I don't know, in a different life if he'd not become a sort of muscle man wrestler.
Speaker 1:This is a guy that you would think It'd have been played bass for Metallica.
Speaker 2:Well, yeah, obviously, but I don't know why. Yeah, it's not a great look, is it? I mean to say that he became such an iconic guy, sort of ball in the middle.
Speaker 1:It's the 24-inch Pythons.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, I get the physique but the head. You wouldn't sort of choose the head, would you?
Speaker 1:But yeah, fair play to him look, we're not going to do much on him because we're not experts we've said that before but we've got a lot of requests to do it we are experts normally, but this is America in it. Really, this is a UK nostalgia podcast, so that's how we're getting away with not knowing much about him. I didn't have Sky.
Speaker 2:Like I said, I think my first introduction was probably in an action figure yeah, my brother bought some wrestlers and I only knew Hogan, ultimate Warrior, and Macho man Randy Savage.
Speaker 1:I thought you said he brought some wrestlers into your house and I only knew Macho.
Speaker 2:Man.
Speaker 1:Imagine that this is a million dollar man, ted DiBiase.
Speaker 2:So he bought a ring and some figures a new ultimate warrior, a new hulk coburn, a new macho man, big boss man. Was he a character? Did he wear? Yeah, yeah yeah, yeah, big boss, man, yeah and he had two twins who all red and black spiky things. Is it rampage?
Speaker 1:is it uh of Doom Legion of Doom Rampage?
Speaker 2:I don't know he had a few characters, but Hulk Hogan was instantly recognisable to me and I think I mean, like you said, it's a weird one, because we're not, we're not sort of leaning either way. I don't know enough about the full story to sort of say, oh yeah, what?
Speaker 1:a sort of bad guy. It was funny that last week we did Two Tone which is all about, you know, bracers coming together and you know, and now we're doing Hulk Hogan, who's basically legacy, was at best tarnished by the shit that he said yeah, yeah, which.
Speaker 2:I think that's the thing we're not shying away from, that, that it's very hard to sort of say there's this icon, legend, hero, when, when there's this sort of undercurrent of quite unpleasant stuff.
Speaker 1:But I think it's about. They'll be saying about us, isn't it not about the racism? But they'll be saying oh yeah, you know a good podcast, but behind scenes, yeah yeah, but I know I don't know.
Speaker 2:I think the icon of hulk hogan, the character the wrestling character is, is an absolute giant. Everybody knows him. That character is a sad loss to the world. I don't know enough about the man behind him. We love to do massive in-depth research. We haven't done that for this. No, it's an impromptu, isn't it?
Speaker 1:Because I say it's impromptu, if I'd have had a bit more time and I might have done it a bit more deep into it. But I more deep into it. But I can't leave it without talking about his theme tune, his entrance music, which is unbelievable, the pop that goes off when, when it comes crashing down and it hurts inside. I might listen to it after this. Well, we were going to play it.
Speaker 2:But because we are going to start getting these on YouTube some of them are we're worried about using other content, so we just settled on you doing a bit.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that's it. Thank you, Liam. Quick one on all Kogan People asked for it. We might put another one out this week, if not next week, it'll definitely be two more muscle men which will be Sliced Alone versus Arnold.
Speaker 2:Schwarzenegger yeah, it's a good follow-on actually. I mean actually, yeah, just before we go. I don't even know if this should be part of live recording, because if we don't do it, it seems a bit weird. Do you think those two should go together, almost?
Speaker 1:Yeah, put them in. Yeah, I mean, we might get yeah we might get some.
Speaker 2:So if you're listening to Sly Stallone versus Arnie before this, it won't quite work. I'll release this one slightly before, but you might end up the wrong way around. If you do, that's your choice, brother.
Speaker 1:That's your choice, brother. That'll work for me, brother, Right. Thank you very much, Liam. I'll see you very, very soon. For Arne versus Sly Stallone.
Speaker 2:Yeah, okay, I don't know how to respond to that. I don't know what you were even doing. I don't know what that accent is, goodbye.
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