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Who Remembers........Schwarzenegger v Stallone?
Few rivalries have shaped Hollywood action cinema more than the fierce competition between Arnold Schwarzenegger and Sylvester Stallone. What began as professional competition in the late 1970s transformed into a decades-long feud marked by genuine animosity, underhanded tactics, and an escalating battle for box office dominance.
This episode dives deep into the fascinating origins of this legendary rivalry, beginning with their first contentious meeting at the 1977 Golden Globes. We explore how their competition manifested on screen through increasingly outlandish displays of machismo - bigger guns, more impressive muscles, and higher body counts - as each tried to outdo the other as Hollywood's premier action star.
The feud took dark turns, from Schwarzenegger's brilliant sabotage (tricking Stallone into starring in the critically panned "Stop! Or My Mom Will Shoot") to allegations that Stallone tried to destroy Arnie's career by linking him to Nazi sympathies. These weren't just promotional stunts for the cameras - this was genuine bad blood between two titans of cinema.
We analyze each star across multiple categories: best films, acting ability, intelligence, humor, fighting prowess, and overall appeal. The discussion weaves through iconic franchises like Rocky, Rambo, Terminator, and Predator, examining how these defining roles shaped their careers and public personas. Along the way, we uncover surprising facts about both men that challenge common perceptions.
What emerges is a nuanced portrait of two extraordinary figures whose rivalry ultimately pushed them both to greater heights. Their competition created the template for the modern action hero and produced some of cinema's most memorable moments. Join us as we settle once and for all the greatest action hero debate of the 20th century. Who truly deserves the title? The answer might surprise you.
Hello and welcome to who Remembers the UK nostalgia podcast. This week we are asking who remembers Schwarzenegger vs Stallone Believe they're C5, britain's first mass-produced electrical car.
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Speaker 1:Well, we didn't know what to call it, did we? We were going to call it One of your suggestions, but Arnold versus Sylvester, yeah.
Speaker 2:Because, genuinely, I think the whole point of this is there was a period of time where there were big, massive rivals and if they were in a film in that era, there would have been a huge debate about whose name goes first, whose name goes highest.
Speaker 1:Well, it's Richie, Sorry. Richie86 has asked for it and he's gone for Schwarzenegger versus Stallone, so we're not you know, we're not.
Speaker 2:That's how we're naming it, we're alphabetically. Obviously it should be Stallone versus Schwarzenegger, but we're going with, sorry, going with who recommended it. No, it should Schwarzenegger.
Speaker 1:yeah, I'm thinking SW. No, no, no, no Schwarzenegger.
Speaker 2:Maybe he's gone alphabetical, then Maybe he's not made a decision in that choice. That's a good point, yeah.
Speaker 1:By the way, in his message he left this on Apple by the way, if you leave us a thing, we will do something, but he's actually put perfect, mediocre rambling. When are you doing Schwarzenegger vs Stallone? Keep up the content.
Speaker 2:Not good content, just the content yeah, I'm not going to disagree with him. Who was that? Sorry, just name him.
Speaker 1:Richiex 86,.
Speaker 2:Richiex 86.
Speaker 1:So thank you, richiex 86 yeah, I'm really looking forward to this. So what we're going to do is go through the rivalry, which I didn't even know they were a rivalry. I think you're going to go through some of the the big points that have happened in the rivalry and then we're going to decide who was better yeah, and I must admit to be honest, you you said to me, like we're gonna, you've sent a few categories that you think we should look at.
Speaker 2:I think that's right. Let's break it down by category. But I was struggling. You said, don't tell me. Your answer is like we'll reveal it live on the podcast. I didn't know straight away.
Speaker 1:If I'm honest, well cards on the table. People who listen to this podcast, um, or listen to live Lemon with Mail will know that I'm no film buff. I've not seen many films and I've worked out that the only films that I've seen featuring either of these two actors are the Rockies films Rocky 1, 2, 3 and 4.
Speaker 2:Which sounds ridiculous to be quite honest with you.
Speaker 1:That sounds so false.
Speaker 2:It's one of those things that's so stupid we couldn't make that up.
Speaker 1:I've seen Pumping Iron with Schwarzenegger in it, which is a documentary, but I've never seen a film with Arnold Schwarzenegger in it, ever. I've seen clips, I've seen him. I always say do not drink.
Speaker 2:It absolutely blows my mind that.
Speaker 1:I know it's ridiculous isn't it it? I have seen um like I say do not drink, I'm big, I know he's he's catchphrases. Obviously I'll be back and I don't know if this is a catchphrase, but I think you used to say quite a lot. Remember when I said I kill you?
Speaker 2:last I lied yeah, if you please excuse my friend, he's dead tired. Yeah, he's dead tired.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that's how I remember it, yeah this is your first episode.
Speaker 2:We all, I would say we're normally not bad at impressions.
Speaker 1:That's absolutely dreadful, yeah so if you're here for, uh, in-depth analysis about schwarzenegger's films, I'm not your man, liam's. I think you are a big fan of the man, or both of them, in fact, aren't you?
Speaker 2:yeah, this the sort of period we're going to talk about. I was right into their films. It was a time when, I mean, I I never went down the sort of period we're going to talk about. I was right into their films. It was a time when, I mean, I I never went down the sort of full bodybuilding route. I knew people who sort of the late end of this era but but when all the rambo and terminator stuff were on that they actually started taking steroids and and trying to get really big and I never sort of went that far with it. But I was in the gym daily and, yeah, three times a day, sometimes Twice a day. Genuinely, quite often Never thrice, I don't think thrice, never thrice, never go thrice.
Speaker 1:You go too far.
Speaker 2:There's one rule in life I live by, it's never thrice in the gym. Yeah, never thrice in the gym, but never thrice in the gym. Yeah, never thrice in the gym, but no. Yeah, I remember the talk of who's bigger, who's stronger. I remember all sorts of nonsense and this actually might feed into another episode we're thinking about. But there were schoolyard stories about, or did you hear about, when Van Damme and Stallone had a fight, and they're all the talk of this rivalry. I was right in the middle of it. I loved it. The end of it, I would say.
Speaker 1:Yeah Well, do you want to go through the feud then? Because I think we've got a few things out there, because I didn't realise it were a feud. I thought what they were asking. What Richiex were asking is basically who do he prefer out of the big? What do you call them action heroes of the day? But they did not like each other.
Speaker 2:No, there was very genuine beef back in the day. So yeah, I mean you've said, and I didn't know the specifics behind the rivalry, but apparently 1977, they were both sat at the Golden Globes table. Rocky had several nominations but didn't win anything on that occasion, and I think Schwarzenegger won a sort of debut star or something like that.
Speaker 1:Yeah, new star of the year is what he won for Stay Hungry, which I've also not seen.
Speaker 2:And the rumour is that I mean I don't know how much of it is rumour or confirmed, because I think they both admitted that they didn't like each other. But the Stallone argument with Schwarzenegger was laughing at him for not winning any of these awards he was nominated for. Yeah, kind of from the start. I mean they were sort of thrown against each other as this clash for the muscle-bound sort of hero figures. And yeah, I mean I don't know, do you want to go through your notes or do you want me to read them out?
Speaker 1:I'll go through them if you want, then we'll get into the category. So that's not where it first started. Really, is that Stallone said Schwarzenegger? I mean, I've seen, like I say I've seen Pumping Iron and obviously Schwarzenegger in. That is quite. I think it's a bit of a cheeky personality, schwarzenegger. He's like what's his name? The guy who played Incredible Hulk, who's also in Pumping Iron? Oh, come on, wolf. Oh, what's his name? Luke Frigga, that's the guy you just called him.
Speaker 2:Incredible you didn't say Incredible Hulk the guy who played.
Speaker 1:Incredible the guy who played Incredible when he's doing his weights and stuff. There's a scene where she walks in there going I am watching you do you know what I mean? Like laughing at him and stuff. Uh, because he's like struggling. There's a brilliant bit in that, by the way, where what's his name will willow um lou for, for you know, this is ridiculous.
Speaker 2:Lou for igno, lou for igno, lou, lou I don't know how many times I have to say it before it stops calling Will.
Speaker 1:So yeah, will from.
Speaker 2:Inbetweeners and Arnold Schwarzenegger, lou Ferrigno.
Speaker 1:Anyway, Lou, I'll call him Lou. Lou says there's a brilliant bit where he does it quite a lot, where he'll go no more, no more, and then he'll do two Like two more sort of pumps of the weights, whereas Arnie.
Speaker 1:Arnie will say what more? He's got that sort of, he's got more of a character than Lou at that particular time. But when Rocky won Best Picture finally Best Picture Drama Stallone apparently threw a bowl of flowers at Schwarzenegger. Yeah, which, yeah. But Schwarzenegger apparently insulted Stallone who by that point was a much bigger star because he said that Stallone used body doubles in a few of his films.
Speaker 2:Yeah, he said in some close-up shots he used body doubles of his muscles. So on a zoom-in of his biceps or his calves he'd use a body double yeah.
Speaker 1:and Schwarzenegger said he'd be angry at hearing his name in the same breath as Sylvester Stallone In 1985,.
Speaker 1:Rocky IV, I think starring Stall hearing his name in the same breath as sylvester sloan um in 1985, rocky four, I think, starring sloan, I think that's right, yeah, that's right, yeah, yeah, uh, open with a 20 million week, 20 million pound weekend um with rocky's rival, uh, ivan drago, which I drago, I have seen that that's uh, if he dies, he dies. That's could have easily been sch Schwarzenegger, which is apparently I didn't know this, but Drago is apparently perceived to be like a piss-taker Schwarzenegger.
Speaker 2:Well, yeah, yeah, and in particular robotic not really got a lot to say, and there's obviously the sort of steroid implications as well, because he's seen to be injecting a lot, which they said part was about sort communists, the Russians cheating, but it was also supposedly I don't know if this is true, I've not heard anybody who would know confirm it, but yeah, supposedly that was a dig at Arnie as well.
Speaker 1:If he dies, he dies. That could easily be an Arnie line, couldn't it? There we go. That would be four. His masterpiece Masters of the Universe, weren't it?
Speaker 2:I don't know if Rocky IV would have been actually no, I don't know, I don't know Probably similar. I mean, there's a great line as well there, when he's obviously starts strong. Ivan Drago and he's beating up Rocky. But then, as he started to tire, he turns to his corner and he says he's not human, he's like a piece of iron Brilliant. I kind of think that was Arnie, but he's not. He's Russian. I don't think I can do a Russian accent.
Speaker 1:I think that might be my weakness Way to the takeover when we go. Mr One, mr Teasing, who was he playing that? Clubber Lang, clubber Lang, that's Rocky 3. Rocky 3 who was he playing there? Clubber Lang, clubber Lang, that's Rocky III. Yeah, rocky III. Yeah, I was that big of a Mr T fan that I don't remember this, but my mum and dad have both said it in the past. I cried when Mr T lost because I was that into Mr T as a kid, apparently, even though he's clearly the bad guy in the film yeah.
Speaker 1:Well, he's like, what's his famous line? Yesterday I put it the Fool, obviously. And there's another one, isn't there?
Speaker 2:What's his big line of it? I mean, it's not really about that, is it? But he turns up. There's a scene which is supposedly a copy of the Roberto Duran turned up to. Oh, go on, not Hagler, one of the greats?
Speaker 2:um, uh, sugar ray leonard oh yeah, oh yeah, yeah, yeah turn up and told him bring your wife out, I'll show a real man. And he turns up at the thing saying where's your wife, I'll show her. Supposedly it's like a mockery of that almost, because he gets beat the first time, then he has to go away and reevaluate yeah, anyway, this is where it gets a bit dark.
Speaker 1:Actually, in february 1988, the news of the world of course it's news of the world ran a story by wendy lee with the headline hollywood see a hollywood star nazi secret, where the article claimed schwarzenegger was a closet hitler lover with the anti-semitic views um and his father. They claimed that his father was responsible for rounding up Jews to put into concentration camps. Lee's source was claimed to be Stallone and she later claimed that her source for the story was Stallone. So it's not just like a rumour. She said it was and he also paid for her legal fees when Schwarzenegger sued her.
Speaker 2:So that's dark, isn't it? I've read that. Yeah, that's a slightly more sinister turn on the whole event, isn't it Because he did try to out him as a Nazi sympathiser Now, whether Because they're sort of mates now, whether at the time he would just say it was just anything to bring him down, or whether he would argue well, actually.
Speaker 1:Why did you do it?
Speaker 1:I don't know S actually, why did you do it? I don't know. Why did you say it's lie? In September 88, stallone and his entourage entered a nightclub and there were a picture of Schwarzenegger on the wall and Stallone demanded its removal, otherwise he'd leave. And then he gave the picture to his minders who destroyed it. So it seems a bit one way. This, in fairness, it seems like Stallone just hated him Because there's a few little in in certain films, and is it? Is it twins I can't remember which film it is where he takes the piss out of rocker uh sorry, it's sly.
Speaker 1:Should I say like yeah, it pauses outside.
Speaker 2:Uh, it pulls next to a rambo poster and looks at the size of his arm and then sort of feels his own and sort of laughs a little bit yeah, so we're going to get to the end of it, liam, aren't we?
Speaker 1:we're going to get to the bottom of who was better, arnold schwarzenegger or sylvester solon. And we've got some categories here. Do you want to go through? Well, should we just go for the categories as we go?
Speaker 2:yeah, and I must admit I think I know where my answer sits, but you could you could possibly sway me on this, so it'd be interesting. I think I have a winner in my mind and I'll tell you at the end whether that's where I end up, but I think I have a winner.
Speaker 1:But the first category we've gone for is who did the best films. Now, by proxy of me not seeing any Schwarzenegger films, I have to go still out on this one, although I love Pumping Iron, which is obviously not.
Speaker 2:I still can't get my head around it. It's still like the fact that you've never seen Terminator 2. No, I've seen that, like I, say what's that off?
Speaker 1:I've said it before, it's one of my favourite lines Do not drink on beer.
Speaker 2:That is the one where he's lost his memory and he's getting it back again.
Speaker 1:I want to say Last.
Speaker 2:Action Hero, but it's not. That Sounds like you on this podcast. Quaid is the bad guy in it, I think.
Speaker 2:I can't remember the name of it. But anyway, yeah, I think the best film any of the two have done is Terminator 2, judgment Day, which is an Arnie film. But I think Stallone has a stronger catalogue. I will say, by the way, as well, that I think when they've sort of catalogue I will say, by the way, as well, that I think when they've sort of tried to dabble in other things, stallone's probably got it better. So I think Twins is a genuinely good film.
Speaker 1:I think the great idea for a film not that great.
Speaker 2:What's the one where he's trying to battle for a Christmas present A Kindergarten Cop.
Speaker 1:Oh, Kindergarten.
Speaker 2:Cop's a great film.
Speaker 1:yeah, oh Jingle All the Way.
Speaker 2:Jingle All the Way. Yeah, I'm going for his films. He's genuinely a good film and he's not bad in that, he's all right in that. So I would say probably that when he's had a go at other things that are genuine acting and sort of comedy, he's probably shown a little bit more than stallone. But I think stallone's even though there was still action figures and muscle man films, some of the stuff I think, cliffhanger, demolition man. Uh, not a big fan of judge dread, but I think there's more to go out with stallone, I would argue. So I think on film stallone edges it.
Speaker 1:Well, we'll go for stallone because I think rocky two and three a little bit fantastic yeah rambo.
Speaker 2:First blood is really good. Do you know that absolutely sort of bombed at first sort of test screenings because it was three hours long. Did he write Rambo? Did he wrote Rocket? No, no. But what they did is they trimmed down. They lost nearly half of the first cut of it by taking out all of Rambo's dialogue, because it was that shit.
Speaker 2:And what they kind of ended up with. Stallone tried to buy the film just to delete, just to get rid of it, to burn it, basically because it was that bad. But they cut it right back and took out all of his dialogue and the sort of suggestion is that they created this modern-day hero of this silent type who just went through doing his business Like he didn't have to talk to anyone.
Speaker 1:Ah, interesting, I didn't know that. Well, that goes on to the next one. Actually, because the best film. We'll both go for Stallone, then for that Best actor. This is a tough one because although I've not seen, obviously, I've seen him act in certain scenes and things. I don't think either of them are known. Are they for being fabulous actors? Yeah, but I'd probably go Sly again.
Speaker 2:Early Arnie. To be fair, fair early. Both is pretty awful. I think, as they've moved through, and, like you say, the sort of argument for Arnie is films like Kindergarten Cop, where he's sort of laughing at himself. He's doing something slightly different, probably twins similar. I do think, though, as Stallone's kind of grown into this, slightly mocking himself a little bit, so expendables. Where did this sort of aging heroes? And, yeah, I think stallone, and I think the fact that obviously he wrote the screenplay for rocky well, we'll get on to that later.
Speaker 2:Yeah, the basis that he wrote that on sort of old, old school brawler. But he, he wouldn't sell the screenplay unless he could play the lead and I think the fact that he stood by his ability and it is an iconic film. So yeah, I'm going to, I'm going to agree, I'm going to go.
Speaker 1:Stallone so it's 2-0 Stallone, which is that's, which is, yeah, quite a shocking, I don't know, an early start, but as Kevin Keegan once said, or to paraphrase him, the good news for Arnie is he's already 2-0 down early in the game.
Speaker 2:I wonder why you're going to paraphrase him.
Speaker 1:I thought you were going to read the quote but then the Arnie bit, obviously, is why you paraphrased him. Yeah, he once genuinely did say if we ever get a website set up, I've got an article ready to go top 40. Kevin keegan quotes, and one of them is good news for nigeria is they're already two and all down so early in the game. What's the bad news? Um, the most talented man as a whole. This is not as an actor, this is as co. Obviously. We know that arnie went into, uh, politics and became the governor of california. Yeah, when I said los angeles, cal, california, but Stallone as well, he's doing something for Trump. He's in the Trump administration at the moment, isn't he doing some?
Speaker 2:I mean they're both incredibly successful people in their own right I think they actually kind of became mates originally through the fact that they started Planet Hollywood. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. What is Planet Hollywood? Planet Rock, hollywood Rock? What am I thinking?
Speaker 1:of.
Speaker 2:I know what you mean the restaurant chain, I know, but we're supposed to be chief rememberers, aren't we so?
Speaker 1:I think as long as you're in the ballpark, you're alright no, I'd sooner do some live research, I think. Stone Army Hollywood. They've got all the jackets of it and stuff to do some live research. I think Stallone, arnie, Hollywood.
Speaker 2:It's obviously they've got all the jackets of it and stuff. Planet Hollywood. Is that what I said? Planet Hollywood.
Speaker 1:Yeah, you got it right first time.
Speaker 2:Don't, do not doubt yourself when you've got remembering skills like us, you shouldn't doubt yourself, should you?
Speaker 1:You seem a bit worried today about your own mate. You're a bit full of self-doubt today. I'm a bit full of self-doubt.
Speaker 2:today I'm up against two giants still aren't I?
Speaker 1:Yeah, true, You've got to get it right.
Speaker 2:You and.
Speaker 1:Stallone yeah, so obviously they've got all the strings to the bow, Arnie and Sly, In terms of talent. Well, it is a talent, because this is where I think Pump it Iron comes in. Obviously, Arnie, the reason he became a film star in the first place is because he was a successful bodybuilder.
Speaker 2:Oh, yeah, was it Mr.
Speaker 1:Universe. Was it, Mr Universe? Yeah, Multiple times by the way, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, and he dominated. I'm looking at a picture of him now, in 1971.
Speaker 2:He looks outrageous Sorry seven times, Mr Olympia or Mr Universe.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and I think that's a talent. I think that's a talent. I think that's a talent to sort of keep that up and know what to eat, because he's weightlifting as well. He competed in the Olympics doing weightlifting.
Speaker 2:I think to go from the journey as well, from sort of non-English-speaking bodybuilder to governor of California is huge, isn't it?
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah yeah, yeah, yeah yeah I mean most talented man.
Speaker 2:I think they're both very talented, but I think sort of achievement wise probably arnie on that one yeah, I'll go arnie with that one.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I think we're agreeing at moments. That's two. One um to mr sly stallone. Next category, I've got most intelligent.
Speaker 2:I think this is really hard to split because I think at a glance people would argue oh yeah, they're both pretty thick muscle men. I actually think that's not the case at all, I think they're both both very intelligent in their own right. I'm struggling on that one. To be quite honest with you, I don't know yeah.
Speaker 1:Well, I think, I don't know. Yeah, well, I think at that now they sort of I'll go on, eh, on the very, very sort of loose, Just because he became the governor of a country, in a country that he wasn't even from, to build himself up from that might have been more difficult, maybe, than Bostustalone did.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I see you thinking I'm not going against that, but I don't think that necessarily shows intelligence, does it? No, I think a big backing of followers from a star going into the process.
Speaker 1:Bustalone was voted in school the most likely classmate to end up in an electric chair, but he got a Bachelor of Fine Arts in acting Stallone.
Speaker 2:There's some sort of thing as well, isn't there with Stallone, that supposedly I don't know if it was at birth or there's some operation or some. I don't know. His forceps were used at birth, damaged muscle or a tendon in his face or mouth and that's affected his kind of slurred speech and people think he sort of sounds less intelligent than he is. I'm not sure on that one. I'm going to go sly because well it's a tie for me, so in that case I thought you were going, arnie.
Speaker 1:No, I found out he's got a bachelor's in art. That's enough for me, have you literally?
Speaker 2:changed live.
Speaker 1:I've changed live because I'm just looking at Arnie's background here and you know he went basically straight into bodybuilding, essentially from what I've been, to a point where are you happy to, despite the fact you discredited yourself off two minutes ago?
Speaker 2:you're happy to give it to Stallone? You don't want to have that as a no-score, almost.
Speaker 1:Let me just have a quick look here.
Speaker 2:I'll go with you because I'm drawn. So if you're a drawn vote, then there's no score, but if you've got a clear winner, then obviously they win it.
Speaker 1:I'm just having a quick look now at Arnold Schwarzenegger Academically average, it says here, but stood out for his cheerful good humour.
Speaker 2:Apparently he struggled with reading.
Speaker 1:He was later diagnosed as dyslexic, which obviously dyslexia is not a you know, it's a bedfellow of dyspraxia. So I'm certainly not criticising anyone with that, but we'll go sly. I think we've got to go sly.
Speaker 2:I don't like that. You've just sort of said he was not down for intelligence because he couldn't read, but then it turned out he was dyslexic. As a dyspraxic man, I think you've done him a bit of a downer there.
Speaker 1:It's a tough world. It's a tough world. There's tough categories. The the funniest person out of the two I've got to clear with you.
Speaker 2:Do you know what's most funny, If you were judging me and you? Out of most intelligent is after the most intelligent category you've done smartest.
Speaker 1:Oh yeah, I've messed that up. I didn't want to go to that. I meant to delete that. Yeah, I meant to delete that. Yeah, we should do ourselves.
Speaker 2:We should have exactly the same chat about who's the smartest Word for word.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and, by the way, in terms of most intelligent, can we just go back? Roll back a little bit. You're not changing again. Maybe because remember when Arnold tricks the load into appearing in a shit movie.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I like that because that moves us into the next one.
Speaker 1:I wonder whether we scratch most intelligent as and we just leave it, we'll give it a draw, we'll give it a draw, that, so you don't really count.
Speaker 2:Yeah, void but you, you're right. So the next category is funniest and this is brilliant from uh arnie, so that if you, if you sort of watch or read anything about this time there was a genuine, not not just a kind of like, oh yeah, people from the outside seeing it. Certain way there was a thing of well, stallone's killed 15 people in that last film. You're gonna have to kill 30 in this, arnie and he had a gun that was this big.
Speaker 2:So I mean, he says on a couple of chat shows arnie, he ended up holding a gun that was built to be mounted on a helicopter because it just got to a point where it was just who could have the biggest and best guns? Yeah, so they were absolutely fighting for that, that star quality point, but but they were supposedly going for the same roles as well. That that's what's quite interesting. And there's a film at this time that was coming out and I'll be honest, I saw this when I was really young with my cousin and my brother and I actually really liked it, but it's incredibly cheesy and it's called Stop or my Mum Will Shoot.
Speaker 1:And it's about a police guy who that film was never going to be successful, just based on that title.
Speaker 2:No, but it has a certain charm to it. But it's a police guy living with his sort of elderly mother who gets everything wrong. She cleans his gun so it doesn't work and ends up buying him an uzi from a, an arms dealer outside a gun shop and there's all sorts of stuff. But. But the brilliance of this story is that and both both sides have confirmed this arnie and sly. Arnie got this script and thought this is absolutely dreadful, so came up with a plan with his agent to put it out there that they were very close to signing the deal and they loved the script.
Speaker 1:Well, I've got a quote if you want me to listen yeah, go on. Arnie says he read the script and it was a piece of shit, says, let's be honest, uh, it was a piece of shit. I say to myself I'm not doing this movie. They went to Sly Sly called me and said have they even talked to you about doing this movie? And I said, yes, I was thinking about doing it. It's a really brilliant idea, this movie.
Speaker 2:When he heard that, because he was in competition with me, he said whatever it takes, I will do the movie and of course, the movie went major into the toilet yeah, so it basically, by implying he wanted to take the role, sly tried to jump in and snatch it from him, signed for it and it was pretty dreadful and it didn't do Stallone's career any favours at that time. It was critically slated and also it didn't do very well at the box office and obviously as well with Arnie.
Speaker 1:He has done more comedy films and he is a genuinely funny man. When I've seen him on chat shows and stuff, stallone seems like a nice guy, but I'd definitely have to go Arnie for the funniest, I think.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I think from what we've seen, I think Stallone seems quite witty as well, in a sort of quite dry way, yeah, he does yeah. I'm not saying either of them. It's not a clear winner, but I would agree I'd go, arnie.
Speaker 1:Yeah, right, so we're going to the last couple of categories that we've got here and it's 2-2, so it's all to play for. Who'd win in a fight? I think this is the main reason that everyone will come to this podcast. Who would win in a fight between Sly Stallone and Arnold Schwarzenegger?
Speaker 2:I think we may differ here.
Speaker 1:I think it is.
Speaker 2:Arnie yeah, I'm. I actually fairly strongly disagree. Oh God, I think Arnie's a slightly taller, more muscular man. The height difference is not as much as you think. By the way, if you see him in pictures together he is bigger, but it's not a huge difference, Although Stallone is possibly in quite high heels.
Speaker 1:At their physical peaks. I've got written down here Arnold Schwarzenegger was 6'2 and Stallone was 5'10.
Speaker 2:To give you a different I'm not sure either of them is that big, in all honesty. I think, it's 6' for Arnie and 5'8 for Sly. If you're going on, I'm sure that's been tapered over time. I'm not certain all these.
Speaker 1:What I'm going to say here, by the way, so much like these are things that I've read are so much like, um, what's his name? Off the office, it's simon. Um, yeah, you do know, bruce lee ain't dead. You know like, yeah, um, dolph lundgren, apparently six foot five and apparently he almost killed stallone, punched to the chest while filming rocky fall, and also arnie once got drop kicked by a guy that was younger than him. He caught him by surprise and didn't even move get back to where you were filming from.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I mean, I know when Stallone was doing Rocky he kind of asked people to genuinely hit him. He wanted actual reactions and I've heard that story. Yeah, he got hit that hard by Dolph Lundgren. I think he did cause some kind of reaction.
Speaker 1:Do you think Lundgren would beat both of them?
Speaker 2:Just to throw it out there. Yeah, I would say so, yeah.
Speaker 1:He was He-Man, wasn't he?
Speaker 2:Yeah, exactly, master of the Universe. I just think Stallone maybe doesn't have the size, but he's from the street, I get the impression, and maybe it's because I'm thinking of Arnie from Twins, but quite a nice clean-cut guy, yeah.
Speaker 1:You think he's more of a street fighter still?
Speaker 2:Yeah, I think. If you see him in Rocky V with Tommy Gunn, tommy Gunn wants to fight him and they're trying to get into an altercation in a bar and his manager, who's supposed to be a copy of Don King, says Tommy Gunn only fights in the ring and Rocky says my ring's outside. And I can imagine Sly saying that to Arne and if it became a street brawl, I think a little bit like that. I think that he beats Tommy Gunn not by being a better boxer or by being bigger, by being a bit street smart, with a couple of trips and nasty sort of dirty boxing almost. So yeah, I don't know, I just think stallone the reason I'd go for arnie, I could be wrong here.
Speaker 1:Like I said, I've not really seen the films, but I get this feeling arnie arnie's more like a superhero, where stallone a bit like what you're saying, is the sort of everyman. So I suppose, like you can, you can sort of look up to stallone and say I've got myself into shape that could be me Whereas Arne just seems on a completely different level. If you get what I mean, does that make sense?
Speaker 2:Yeah, I'm not. You know, like we've said, mr Olympia, mr Universe, that is true, he's a giant, he's unbelievably well-defined, he's a huge man. I just don't know. In a street fight, I mean, they say don't they, like bodybuilders, gasp very quickly in a fight, like they've got to win it in the first.
Speaker 1:You think you used to be a bodybuilder in your heyday Thrice times at a gym? No, I told you never thrice or twice at a gym. Never thrice, yeah.
Speaker 2:but like I said, I didn't go into that full-on bodybuilder all about bulk and size. I think this is what these guys do. They've got bursts of energy in them.
Speaker 1:Well, you've got a mate who used to get really sort of into bodybuilding and now he can't even walk up a street without getting out of breath. So does that tell you something?
Speaker 2:Yeah, I don't know. I think it's close. I'm going Sly, you're going Arnie. I think no points scored.
Speaker 1:Fair enough. Then we're coming to the last category then, with everything, even Right. So the last category is who would you most like to go for a drink with? Like? So we've got Hardish, we've got Smart, we've gone through all the merits of each person. You've got a chance now. Like we're going on a night out and it's a look lads there. Like we're going on a night out and he said look, lads, there's one I know you've got. We're in an award ceremony, me and you are in an award ceremony. We've been nominated for Best Remembrances again at the Yorkshire what is it? South Yorkshire Golden Chalice. And they said look, schwarzenegger and Stallone both want to sit with you for this night.
Speaker 2:Yeah, they've both got a table with two seats on it and they're both inviting you to their table.
Speaker 1:Yeah, but you can only have one, obviously, because it's the same night. Who are you sitting with?
Speaker 2:Can we split or do we have to agree? Could I say, well, I'm going to go and sit with, because I suspect from our answers I'm leaning Stallone, you're leaning Arnie.
Speaker 1:I just think I don't know, I think, right, I think if I I've been more starstruck seeing Arnie than Stallone personally, I think if you saw Arnie in a bar you'd be like fucking hell. It's Arnold Schwarzenegger. Obviously, you would be Stallone as well, but I just think you'd be like just amazed. But in terms of like, I mean, he's into his, he's into his soccer, isn't he at Stallone? He into his soccer, isn't he at Stalora? He's a big Everton fan, isn't he? You could have a chat with him about that.
Speaker 2:I would argue if, on funniest, we gave it Arnie, because that's what equalised it 2-2, wasn't it? That's probably the decider, isn't it?
Speaker 1:Not necessarily because I don't think, but that's kind of been my case.
Speaker 2:If you're going to go and sit with a group of people, you want to sit with the ones who are going to make you laugh and be entertaining.
Speaker 1:Yeah but at the same time is he going to do some of his? I don't do not. I don't know about that one. I don't sound like Ella Toot, two-tone Fucking brilliant. I don't. I don't write that broad Manchester accent that we're off Jamaica. If he's like going, I don't think he's going to sit at a table going. Do not drink, I'm big. Do you know what I mean? Is he going to be that?
Speaker 2:He'd be absolutely insane if he did, If he sat down and the first thing he said to you was do not drink, I'm big.
Speaker 1:It's funny that that's not one of his most famous lines, but I remember I was flicking through the channels one day and that film were on and I think it's where I don't even know what film it is, and his wife throws a plate at him. I think, yeah, sharon Stone. Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's it. And he goes do not drink, I'm big and I remember like finding it so funny, not enough to go back and watch.
Speaker 2:If he just talks exclusively in his catchphrases, you would have to. It's Total Recall as well. By the way, that film you would have to go and sit with Arnie. If he just talks in famous lines from his films, that's an easy win. I'm not thinking he does that, though.
Speaker 1:No, possibly not, but then again I don't know. I've heard interviews with Stallone and he seems far more sort of laid back. I imagine getting to know him. I don't know.
Speaker 2:I think he might be a little bit easy to talk to maybe, maybe I think Arnie as well, because he's got his political career. Would he want to be sort of quite subdued and a bit like professional, whereas I can imagine Sly maybe saying hey guys, you like a whiskey, come back to my place for a whiskey. We've got a party going on. I don't know if that's. I can't think how he speaks, to be honest, so I can't speak.
Speaker 1:I can't speak. Where did he bring his mum, though, jackie?
Speaker 2:Whichever, there, jackie's still alive Again. I don't know if she's still alive, to be honest, but that would be a bonus, wouldn't it?
Speaker 1:What was that famous thing she did in the Big Brother house? It's me, Jackie, yeah. So I think she comes in and says oh my God, it's Jackie. She goes yeah, Jackie, yeah, it's me, Jackie, yeah, yeah. She were a wrestling promoter, weren't she?
Speaker 2:I can't remember. Yeah, I know there's sort of a mad story to her life.
Speaker 1:I think she did a rap song with Mr Fiji, another like wrestling yeah.
Speaker 2:Stallone, I think, started out with some softcore adult material as well, so I don't know whether they have some sort of anecdotes about that back in the day.
Speaker 1:Unfortunately Jackie Stallone passed away in 98. Oh wow, that shows how long 98?. 98, jackie Stallone. Yeah, jackie, 98.
Speaker 2:A bit disrespectful, isn't it?
Speaker 1:No, no 98. We'd all love to get to that age. I think she's had a right?
Speaker 2:Yeah, but she didn't want it saying it in a mock version of her voice. That's it. Do you mean age 98, not 1998? No, age 98. Yeah, that makes far more sense then 98. Now age 98. Yeah, that makes far more sense then. Yeah, okay.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah yeah.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:Yeah, thought, david Guester died in Big. Brother is one of the greatest things on ever in TV history. That is so good. David's dead oh my god, he just wakes up. What's going on? Unbelievable. I'm going to go Sly, I think. I don't know.
Speaker 2:I'm not. I kind of thought before we started I was sly, so so probably he's the one that I want to go for a drink with. But I do think if we decided on the funniest of the two, we were thinking arnie, I'm not sure whether that just splits me a little bit. I'm not sure if you're sly, I'm quite happy to decide on sly, because that's where I came to this from. I think I thought I was going to end up going for sly, but I'm so. I'm so torn.
Speaker 1:It's genuine 50 50 for me and I feel like it's the underdog, sly, and I like an underdog. I think if you asked a hundred people like uh, there's dennis, um, who would you most? Who would you prefer, sly or Arnie? I think Arnie would get about 80% of the vote.
Speaker 2:Maybe a modern vote? Yeah, but, like I say, of the people I don't know. Like I say, I was in that so late. Well, no, what would it be? Mid to late 90s yeah, I was watching a lot of their sort of films with people who probably kind of wanted to be like sly or arnie and I don't know. I always thought sly was the one people sort of leaned towards. But, yeah, maybe to a modern audience arnie would be the winner, but I, I'm I'm sly actually, do you? Yeah, I'd love to have a drink with both of them, but yeah, no, I'm going for Sliced Alone. That's where I'm going.
Speaker 1:I'll go for Sliced Alone, and I'm going to base it on the fact I've never seen a single film with Arnold Schwarzenegger in it which is absolutely outrageous, isn't it? It is outrageous. If people listen to this for the first time, they're gonna probably think it's a joke.
Speaker 2:But all that reminds me of is when in uh on xfm, they're on about uh elvis when he dies and they say, yeah, but he faked his own death, didn't they? And then they say, yeah, but imagine like he died, basically crapping himself on a toilet yeah and I think pilkerton says yeah, but wouldn't that be the perfect kind of way to get away with it? You do something so ridiculous? And then he says, yeah, no, I want to die. I'm going to pretend to die, shitting myself.
Speaker 2:And they say yeah, but there's loads of other things we could do to make it look real. No, no, no, no, it's got to be shit. Myself, you're sort of. I've never seen an Arnie film seem so ridiculous that I think you could say he's only saying that, because that can't be true.
Speaker 1:No, and I've only seen one Rocky film. That's how many films I've seen is Rocky.
Speaker 2:You've seen three and four though, haven't you?
Speaker 1:No, I've seen the first four. I've seen the first four Rockies.
Speaker 2:Ah right, so you've actually got four Rocky films.
Speaker 1:I've got four Rocky films and then just thought that's enough for me, I don't need any more Stallone.
Speaker 2:No, rambo. I've never seen any bits of Rambo, never seen. Rambo, I had the game or Gravestone that I've never seen.
Speaker 1:I've seen scenes again from it, because obviously it used to be on TV quite a lot and stuff like that, but I've not seen the new Creed's or anything like that. Oh, that's the other one, isn't it, mr T-Line? Come on Creed. Yeah, we should do, mr T he kills Apollo Creed, doesn't he times? This is a fantastic, fantastic idea for an episode.
Speaker 2:Sorry, no, ivan Drago kills Apollo Creed. Apologies to any rocky aficionados.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that's right. Yeah, he man kills Apollo Creed. This is an amazing idea for an episode. If anyone's got any more like this, like genuine rivalry obviously we've done Oasis and Blur Rivalries are really good to do because we can decide ourselves like who we think is going to win, who we think actually did win that battle.
Speaker 2:I like this as well because it felt so close. I think we both came down quite convincingly on Oasis. I feel like this is so close, it's paper thin People listening will absolutely disagree with us and I think if you do, give us your reasons.
Speaker 1:Well, navdeep's asked us to do E17 versus Tate. They're very different to these two but we're trying to space them out the music ones, so we are going to get around to doing that. So you know what I mean. But anything like that Could be two boxers in the prime or two boxers from I don't know different eras who you think could win, and stuff. So, um, yeah, really really good batley and congratulations to mr sliced alone um winner of the greatest ever action hero yeah, probably.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I think. I think we've made that clear, we think we've. The verdict is down that the gap, what is it? Gavel, gavel the gavel has banged.
Speaker 1:The only other thing I would say is he's not got as many catchphrases. You can't start changing it now.
Speaker 2:We've just the Gabble's gone down. No, no, but.
Speaker 1:I'm just saying I know, yeah, it's gone, it's gone. I'm just like do you know, like after when you've like, so you've. I didn't see this. The pork belly actually comes with sage and onion flavoured stuffing. Yeah, something like that. But no, realistically, I just think that. Has he got any catchphrases outside of hey Tron?
Speaker 2:He's certainly got that one yeah.
Speaker 1:Whereas I'll Be Back. That's a film I've never seen.
Speaker 2:Obviously, terminator is the most famous, probably the most famous line, probably the most famous Hasta la vista baby. Oh yeah.
Speaker 1:He is dead tight.
Speaker 2:And obviously Ice to see you. No, because that's McBain in it from Simpsons that's.
Speaker 1:Simpsons, isn't it? But he did play Mr Freeze, didn't he? After that, yeah?
Speaker 2:I don't think he said Ice to see you though. Ice to see you, he's got let off some steam. Yes let off some steam. Hey Bennett, remember when I said I would kill you guys? Oh, yeah, yeah, hey Bennett.
Speaker 1:I lied Brilliant, but he didn't win. So congratulations to Mr Sly Stallone on being best ever action hero, sylvester well done, my friend. Thank you for listening to who Sylvester. Well done, my friend.