WHO REMEMBERS? The UK Nostalgia Podcast
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Do you remember Woolworths? Do you remember when Marathons changed their name to Snickers? Do you remember Del Boy falling through the bar? If so then come and remember with us. If not then stick around and we will probably remember it for you. You literally can't lose so why not hit the play button as hard as Paul Sykes hit that shark?
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Who Remembers........Old School Urban Myths?
Remember the days when urban myths spread through school playgrounds like wildfire, unchallenged by the instant fact-checking power of smartphones? Those pre-internet tall tales had a special kind of magic – they lingered in our collective imagination, growing more elaborate with each retelling.
In this nostalgic deep-dive, we unpack some of the most persistent urban legends that many of us once accepted as gospel truth. From the supposed ghost boy haunting Three Men and a Baby to Captain Pugwash's crew with their allegedly rude names, these myths survived for decades before being easily debunked by a quick Google search.
We explore the psychology behind why these stories had such staying power, examining how the "friend of a friend" nature of urban myths made them particularly believable. The hand-licking murderer tale that terrified sleepovers, the elaborate car theft/theater tickets burglary scheme, and the persistent warning that swans can break your arm – each reveals something about our pre-internet relationship with information and our willingness to believe extraordinary claims.
Some myths were harmless fun, others played on deeper fears, but all were part of a shared cultural experience that seems increasingly distant in our age of instant verification. The episode also features personal stories of myths we believed and even perpetuated, including a particularly convincing (but entirely false) rumor about the final episode of children's show Bagpuss that's had one of us questioning reality for decades.
Join us for this entertaining journey through the urban legends that shaped our understanding of the world before we could simply ask Siri if they were true. What myths did you believe? Share your stories with us on social media or via email at whorememberspod@outlook.com.
Hello and welcome to who Remembers the UK Nostalgia Podcast and this week we are asking who Remembers Old School Urban Myths. Britain's first mass-produced electrical car. There's something called the internet Stop shouting Thank you, but none of the locals got paddling. Yeah, that's for me. No bottleless kids. I can't speak, you can't win anything with kids. Pac-man One of the superstar video games in the business. Did you threaten to overrule me Before we became a fool again? Remember when it's the lowest football competition? This is history. This is history.
Speaker 2:This is history. This is history. Yeah, cleverer than you might think, that title. We debated it, but they are urban myths we would have heard in the schoolyard on the playground we were going to call it?
Speaker 1:we don't know what to call it, so we were going to call it sort of urban myths from the playground, but I thought that sounded more like you know when. Like people say yeah, like hey a year about dave. He knocked five men out last night in a local boozer. I don't know why you'd say that at school, but you know what I mean.
Speaker 2:It reminds me of tall tales, and that's not what this is no, the other thing we consider is pre-internet urban myths, which is more accurate but less understandable as a quick phrase.
Speaker 1:So someone asked us to do this, by the way, and I have looked back and I can't find who it is, um, so whoever's asked us to do the? Basically, what they asked for is what about the myths that we believed, um, before the internet ruined everything? Um, and I can't find that.
Speaker 2:so that's where I've tried to go with mine, so mine are ones that you can. Well, actually not necessarily. Well, I think all of them you can. But you can disprove now quite quickly, because we've all got the internet, this wealth of information at fingertips. But at the time you thought, oh God, that's probably real, that.
Speaker 1:Yeah, this is what I mean. Like I said, the internet's ruined myths, urban myths. I mean, obviously there's still some that you can't, you know, can't realistically say oh yeah, that's definitely false. But the ones that I've brought up, every one of them, you can just type in and say, oh right, that weren't real, that didn't happen, whereas, like I said before, when we were at school in the 90s you couldn't do that, so people were telling you stories.
Speaker 2:Age remember that and you go well, and there were chinese whispers as well, so they'd sort of grow. Oh yeah, no, honestly, this, this someone, this was someone's brother. This happened to like yeah, it kind of gained weight over time, whereas I mean, I suppose that's what the conspiracy theories have now become is sort of urban myths, because they're just tied up in webs of links that circulate. You end up around in a circle, but if you want to believe it, you can just keep yourself going. But yeah, these, these are certainly my three. I think I know what you've links that circulate. You end up rounding a circle, but if you want to believe it, you can just keep yourself going. But yeah, these, these are certainly my three. I think I know what you've gone with, but you might shock me, but my three are ones that, as exactly what you've just said, a very quick internet search will tell you all right, so that's the explanation button it never.
Speaker 1:It never happened. What's his name? Uh, what's his name? Frank jonathan freaks, fre Frakes. Is it Jonathan Frakes? Frakes, yeah, it was made up by a writer At this time? No way, it never happened. If people don't know what I'm talking about, I think I'm just going. No way, it's a fictional story. It's a fictional story. This one was invented by a writer. Do you want to start?
Speaker 2:this is one of them that at the time when you hear it's a bit creepy and you can. The beauty of sort of these sort of things is you could watch the thing back and think, oh God, yeah, I know what they mean now. So this is the story that on the film three men and a baby, which was released in 1987, it's American comedy for the younger listeners it's. It's basically a guy as a, as a kid, and he gets a couple of his mates to come and help him look after it and they all sort of form a bond?
Speaker 1:I've never seen it.
Speaker 2:Yeah, you haven't seen films. I think one of them is the dad. I might be wrong with that, I don't know.
Speaker 1:Ted Danson and I want to say Richard Pryor. Complete opposite man. What's his name? Tom Selleck.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and then it's the guy out of Short Circuit Gutenberg.
Speaker 1:Not Johnny Johnny Five.
Speaker 2:It's not the robot now, it's not that surreal now. Yeah yeah, tom Selleck, steve Gutenberg, ted Danson, directed by Leonard Nimoy. So maybe he liked the sort of science fiction in there.
Speaker 1:Illogical. He never actually said that. He certainly didn't say it like that.
Speaker 2:Illogical In a kind of suggestive manner.
Speaker 1:Illogical.
Speaker 2:He never actually said that, though that is an urban myth. It's a bit like an urban myth.
Speaker 1:What do you call it? It's not an urban myth, it's a mistruth, isn't it when people think that? But he never actually said illogical?
Speaker 2:It's one of them. You could kind of consider a Mandela effect, that it's kind of become a mass misremembering. But so this is the story that about an hour into the film, jack who's the guy played by Ted Danson his mother comes to see the baby. She picks it up and the mother's kind of bonding with the baby and as they walk past, the curtains are sort of fluttering and there's a, there's a figure behind the curtains, and the story, as it was first told to me, was that in this particular block of flats where they were filming you call it apartments in the US of A, wouldn't you?
Speaker 2:Yeah, so a young boy had been killed and that when they've sort of watched it back, there was no actor, there was nobody there. So they were convinced this is the ghost of a kid that was killed in this particular flat apartment. And when you watched it back you could see exactly what people were referring to. It's not like a pixelated oh yeah, but come on, you could actually see the outline of a person behind the curtains as it pans around, and certainly me. People around me were like, oh my god, I can't believe it if they've caught a ghost on camera yeah I mean, actually we went to different primary schools.
Speaker 2:Did we were aware of this?
Speaker 1:yeah, yeah, yeah, absolutely. This was like a just I mean it didn't come up like obviously every day or anything, but I have, I don't know, maybe weren't a primary school, maybe at college, or whatever. I did know this um pre-internet, but oh, there's a ghost in three men and a baby and obviously I've never seen it. But I'm looking at the, the ghost, now I can see why people thought it was creepy. It's pretty obvious. Well, obviously you're going to say what it actually is.
Speaker 2:Yeah, well, when you come to the explanation, that's kind of part of what makes it creepy. So it does look like a person stood there, but it's absolutely motionless, just dead still. And the reason for that, which a very quick internet search can now tell you it's got its own information, but it's also on the wiki page for Three Men and a Baby is that there's a cardboard cut out of Ted Danson, which was featured in a cut scene but also actually appears in a scene at some point, but obviously it's a life size, so it's taller than him. It had been folded down to a smaller size and put behind the curtain, which is why it looks more like a boy. You know as soon as you see it and you see the cut out behind the curtain, which is why it looks more like a boy. You know as soon as you see it and you see the cutout, because actually it's like you can even see once you know what it is and you've seen the cutout he's wearing, like a sort of smart jacket, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2:Imagine a young boy goes sort of wearing a smart jacket.
Speaker 1:Yeah, dying in that as well. That's a right waste of a nice bit of attire isn't it?
Speaker 2:Yeah, he's actually wearing a tuxedo.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, yeah yeah.
Speaker 2:But yeah, very easy to know. If someone told you that now you know, regardless of age, assuming you've got internet access, you could say what they caught a ghost on camera, wow. You might watch the film and say, oh, that's weird. But then within 30 seconds.
Speaker 2:You could search that and find out the explanation for it, and that's yeah, that's annoying, isn't it? I believed it. I mean, not only is it a cardboard cutout, but actually it was also filmed on a set. It was never even filmed in any apartment block, so so that the story of somebody being killed in the area was not even plausible anyway. So so there's no truth. This is what I mean.
Speaker 1:This is what I mean I don't want this is what I mean. I don't want this, I don't want the truth. I wonder if that did happen. Internet's ruined everything.
Speaker 2:As we get onto this through this episode, I think we'll find what the internet does, though, and what you could probably do and again, this is conspiracy. This is where you could probably search a Hollywood covers up ghost story, with weak Ted Danson cutout argument. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1:They'll probably be someone like that, don't you?
Speaker 2:start that. Yeah, actually the cardboard cutouts of Ted Danson were not actually released until 1992, so there couldn't have been a Ted Danson cutout.
Speaker 1:Why is there a Ted Danson cutout left there?
Speaker 2:It's part of. He's done it as a commercial. I think he's an actor in the film. There is reason behind it, it's not just that. Ted Danson carries around with him a life-size Ted Danson, which I probably would believe actually That'd be amazing. Yeah, that'd be scarier than the ghost of a boy, wouldn't it? Ted Danson always has to be on set with a cut-out, a life-size cut-out of Ted Danson.
Speaker 1:Ted Danson's, one of those sort of people who's always been on my TV not in the same way as Maidley all the time, but I can't remember a pre-Ted Danson stage of my life. Obviously, Cheers were just on when I was young. I can't think. I don't think there was a time this could be like a.
Speaker 2:Then he got a resurgence, didn't he? Through Larry Davis.
Speaker 1:In Curb your Enthusiasm, yeah, so I think, if you said to me, look, I honestly think the world didn't exist pre-Ted Danson, I think, yeah, I can see where he's coming from actually.
Speaker 2:Yeah, well.
Speaker 1:But you're not saying that, are you? I'm not. That is not the story now.
Speaker 2:He's not aged much, has he. If you want a Ted Danson conspiracy, he still looks to say he's been around since when, which is like mid 80s.
Speaker 1:Yeah, we're in next year, 40 years ago.
Speaker 2:Yeah, football player or baseball player, some kind of export star, when he Sam went out with what her name?
Speaker 1:Sorry, this is turning the cheers episode. What were her name?
Speaker 2:Shelley Long character where Andrew Haig doesn't know your name, anyway.
Speaker 1:Anyway, anyway, anyway, anyway. My first one is a TV show. Actually, I obviously used it in a film. Mine's a TV show. This is a really famous one. I think I'll be surprised if people haven't heard of this one, diane.
Speaker 2:Were you thinking of Diane, diane?
Speaker 1:No, there was one before, maybe Diane Anyway.
Speaker 2:Kirstie Alley was the one before. I can't remember her name in a minute.
Speaker 1:No, Kirstie Alley was the one after.
Speaker 2:Ah, yeah, no, you're right, carry on with your next one.
Speaker 1:So my myth is regarding the TV show Captain Pugwash. So Captain Pugwash was an animated TV show from 1957 to 1966 and then a colour version, which I remember, but it only ran for one year, 74, 75. Do you remember Captain Pugwash?
Speaker 2:Yeah, I'd seen it. It must have been repeated every year.
Speaker 1:What is it? Oh, what the fuck's the theme tune. Now, this is a terrible episode again.
Speaker 2:I remember, and this is I don't even know if I'd know it if you said it, I don't know.
Speaker 1:I think it's on the end of it's Good to be Free by Oasis. I think Bowery played. Anyway, I thought this was genuine. This is a really famous myth and the urban myth is that the crew characters sorry, the crew included characters that all had sexually suggestive names. So Masturbates, yeah, robin the Cabin Boy, seaman Staines, and even I didn't know this one Robin the Cabin Boy, seaman Staines, and even I didn't know this one until I looked into it.
Speaker 2:What's Robin the Cabin Boy? What's Robin the Cabin? What's the implication there?
Speaker 1:Robin the Cabin Boy. You know what I mean. He's downstairs, isn't he? He's in the cabin, isn't he the boy waiting? Roger, the Cabin Boy. Roger Roger that makes more sense. Yeah yeah, Roger the Cabin Boy. Roger the Cabin Boy, I'm doing the thrusting.
Speaker 2:All right, all right we get it.
Speaker 1:I'm literally doing thrusting actions, so I masturbate Roger the Cabin.
Speaker 2:Boy, you don't have to act these out. No one can see you. But if you're acting them out as you're going, that's crazy?
Speaker 1:Well, I hope not, because these semen stains and apparently even the name pug wash is a australian slang for a form of oral sex, which I've not looked into what that means, because I don't really want to know, but this myth started in the 70s, so at school this was just a fact to me, I mean I thought this was still really recently, when we discussed doing something for the maybe podcast.
Speaker 2:You mentioned this and I I thought what do you mean? And you said no, none of that's real. I said I thought that was just accepted, that that was all fact.
Speaker 1:Are any of them real? None of them are real. Obviously, captain Pugwash is real, but do you know what I mean? That's just one of those things, isn't it? Imagine there's someone in I don't know in an American kids show called fucking Captain Wanker or something like that, and they won't know what that means. But imagine that Captain Wanker, the British comedy duo Victor Lewis Smith and Paul Sparks Paul Sparks, not Paul Sykes claimed credit for starting the rumour, but it was also being attributed to a sketch by 70s folk comic, richard Dygans. I don't know who he is anyway, and it's also a 70s rag mag has also been said to be the people who started this, but it was in the early 90s when the Young Guardian published an article that the 50s version of Captain Pugwash obviously had. It didn't actually mention Roger the Cabin cabin boy, but he did say semen stains and masturbates, and this went on for ages. They had to issue an apology, but once it's out there, do you know what I mean?
Speaker 2:they were the two that I was certain semen stains and masturbates yeah, yeah, that I I was certain they were actual characters. I mean semen stains? Yeah, I just thought that was fact that it was a character yeah, and like I, I say this had already gone.
Speaker 1:when we were at school, they showed repeats.
Speaker 2:You've got the names of the actual characters, by the way, because I have, if you want me to read them out.
Speaker 1:Stainseed, this is any innuendo. Now go on hit me hit me. Oh, in fact, I have got one for you because I'm going to mention this. So there was.
Speaker 2:Bondage Bob. No, I'm making it up. There's Jonah the governor, donna Bonanza I mean that could be like a sort of porn star name, but there's no innuendo in it. Donna Bonanza, tony Duck, swine Stinker, jake's mum, lieutenant Scratchwood Toddington, which is a great name. I'm wrong, Scratchwood, I suppose.
Speaker 1:Is that a new endo? There is one, if you get to it. I don't know if you. Anyway, what?
Speaker 2:And the cabin boy was called Tom oh Willie, yeah, Pirate Willie.
Speaker 1:Pirate Willie. But it doesn't mean anything, does it Real life? It's just a Willie. A minute Willie. That's not a. You know, the World Cup Willie.
Speaker 2:I don't think people in the 60s were thinking about big. The ones I read out were from the later series cutthroat, jake tom, the cabin boy, willie barnabas, and there was a character called the mate or the master ah, yeah, so, but we've discussed this privately about this, but this is one of those sort of pre-internet things that makes you question your own memory, I think.
Speaker 1:Where did that really happen? Like, obviously at school. Like you said that that's just the thing that happened. Yeah, they were all called siemens. If I'd have come on the announcer, I don't know, that is actually one of those things. That is true. I don't think you'd have got no way, I think yeah if you said no, the the kind of catches are actually.
Speaker 2:Originally they were that and they were switched in the 70s I would have said, ah, that's where I've got it from then yeah, yeah, yeah, but we've discussed privately about the story of roy jay um, who I sent you a video on this and we might have to do an episode on this because it's proper creepy, but this is a that that was.
Speaker 1:That was a brit comedian in the 80s. He was now part of an online myth that he never actually existed and the youtube videos of him are ai generated and part of a government experiment to see genuinely it sounds wacky, but it's I quite.
Speaker 1:I found it quite interesting to watch that, we'll have to share a link to that. It's proper, yeah, and this reminds me of this in the sense that I wouldn't be that surprised. I would be a bit surprised, obviously, but if I don't know, if it turns out that they were called that and they've tried to hide it and it's like a double myth, if you get what I mean. People have said oh no, they didn't actually call it that. Oh no, they did call it that, do you?
Speaker 2:get what I mean.
Speaker 1:To our knowledge, all of that was false, but what I love about it is that I believed it. I thought it were real and I thought it's just an innocent time, isn't it? They didn't understand it in the 50s and 60s.
Speaker 2:Yeah, they didn't realise every character had some sort of sexual innuendo to the name.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and people like Mums and Dads, are all thickos in 50s and 60s based on what I'm thinking, and they didn't understand. But in fact, the creator, john Ryan, was apparently both furious and devastated and even got his lawyers to obtain public retractions from people who publish.
Speaker 2:We should try and add one to it, because I think this one still exists. Barry Bellend, yeah, and they had a parrot called Wankington.
Speaker 1:Fucking Wankington. His daughter later said he had a really bad effect on my father for some time. These stories were entirely invented by a student rag. This one was invented by a writer, um, but it says yes, there was a private will I, but in those times people didn't think of it that way. But, like I say, what I love about this is this is what the brilliant things is about, missus. You couldn't just google it. You think, oh, yeah, and I, and you know if you did. It's weird how memories work. If you'd have said to me we watched one, if you remember, and it definitely did say Seaman's Thames, I'd probably go. Yeah, that does ring a bell. Do you know what I mean? Like a false memory.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, absolutely yeah, as I say. Until very recently, I thought that was fact.
Speaker 1:Captain Pugwash, on to your number two, Leroy.
Speaker 2:So this is one a long, long time I believed, and up until I want to say today might be yesterday whenever I, whenever I looked it up, I still wasn't sure. I'm still not sure, even though it's kind of been disproved. But so so this is, and I think there's a an added layer to this one for me, because somewhere along the line so, my granddad, when he was young, used to be a policeman. Um, it was a carpenter and a sign writer and stuff like. Later on in life, but in early life he'd been a policeman and I thought somehow this had come from him. But I think I've got cross wires there somewhere.
Speaker 2:So the story is that a couple's car is stolen and I'm this is massively paraphrased because it's years and years since I've heard the original that I was told, but there's a lot of different versions A couple's car was stolen from outside the house and obviously you know, they realize it's stolen, they report it Please come and file a report. And blah, blah, blah. The next day the car's back and there's a note on the passenger seat, a sealed envelope, and it says so. So sorry, uh, my wife went into labor. I was absolutely in a panic. I took you your car. I think this back when they were easy to steal as well. I took you took your car. I had to get my wife to hospital. Everything was okay with the baby and mom.
Speaker 2:As a, as an apology, as an appreciation, please find two tickets to a show. Uh, the following weekend or the following week. Um, we really hope you enjoy it. Really sorry for the inconvenience. So this, this couple think oh well, frustrating. But yeah, that's a really nice gesture. We'll, we'll go and enjoy this show. So they get dressed up, they go for this big night out, however long the show is, but it's a decent sized event. They go and watch the show, they get back to the house and it's been completely cleared out. It's been robbed to the point of. Everything's been stripped and the thinking there is. Obviously the burglar knows that they're going to be out of the house for this set period of time whilst they're at the show. So it's bought them a three-, four-, five-hour window to go and absolutely clear out the house.
Speaker 1:And I think to go to those lengths. As a robber, you deserve everything. To be honest, I'd have applauded him. If it were my house, I'd have said you know what he's proper. He's done a beadle on me.
Speaker 2:Yeah, god, that's good, you'd have to say when he walked in that was good. Now that is good.
Speaker 1:Now imagine like your wife crying and stuff.
Speaker 2:You're going. Oh, come on, just like a little small round of applause like now, that is good, I would think you know, and this isn't part of the urban myth. What would be funny is if the next day everything went back in the house and it said really sorry, we had a mother-in-law coming around. I had to put loads of stuff in my house to make it look like I'm more successful than I am. Please find these two week tickets to jamaica and then they go to jamaica. When they come back, the whole house is gone this can't be true.
Speaker 1:This car is too good. It's too good.
Speaker 2:It's like it isn't sure it's like a poirot or something, isn't it?
Speaker 1:or like uh I don't know about poirot. I think he'd be very like solver. Let me think who could this possible, imagine that? Who could this possibly?
Speaker 2:be things. This is very simple. The tickets were a clue. Um, yeah any idea what show it was I think I've heard a version of it where it's like an opera, because obviously that's a longer show, so it keeps them out of the house for longer.
Speaker 1:I'm going to say sometimes maybe it's worth it If it's good you're free ticket to see I don't know Peter Kay live or something like that. You might think, well, you've lost everything, but those Peter Kay tickets were pretty hard to get or the Oasis tickets going around the house going around now.
Speaker 2:I bet you'd lose a good portion of your house for Oasis tickets, wouldn't you?
Speaker 1:I don't know Now I don't think I've got that much of value.
Speaker 2:if anyone wants to come and have a, I do often think that I mean you have moments, Some Danny Baker videos, but actually I got to see Oasis.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, but yeah. So, like I say, if anyone wants to come and burgle, you'll be very, very disappointed. Even my laptop I'm recording. This is a bag of shit, but um, yeah, I think if I think if I'm basically this is actually on snow.
Speaker 2:I wondered kind of how to search it so I typed in a basic version of it. This is on snopes, which is ah yeah, kind of sets out to fact check certain stories yeah, yeah and, and it's on there as an absolute legend.
Speaker 2:It exists in several different formats across the world. There's an American version on here, but obviously it made its way over here. Tickets left include ballet, opera, baseball movie, a sold-out championship hockey game. Sometimes the emergency is specified, so sometimes they don't say what the emergency was in the story, but sometimes a job interview is apparently one that's been used.
Speaker 1:Imagine if one of them was like hockey opera an audience with Michael Barrymore. Yeah.
Speaker 2:You'd probably understand that one wouldn't you? Yeah, yeah, yeah. But yeah, what sorts of tickets are left depends on what cars they drive. Mercedes owners don't get matched up with tickets to hockey games, Neither do youthful car owners end up with ballet tickets. The thieves always have a perfect taste. They always succeed in their ruse too, and everyone who lives in the house is lured out by the tickets. There's never an inconvenient relative who happens to be staying over.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that's true.
Speaker 2:Neither did a couple give their ticket, but I suppose the implication is, though, that you wouldn't know about it, because if they've chanced, let's say, there's £100 worth of tickets on you not being in, and if you're not in, they then assume you're out for a certain period of time. If they get there and there's an aunt in the house, then they say oh, really sorry, we've come to the wrong house. Uh, we were looking for john, so so you wouldn't. What I mean, though, is that I don't think that's an explanation that doesn't prove it false that it all works, because you wouldn't hear about it if it didn't work, I'd like someone to try and set this up as a like, a um.
Speaker 1:obviously these days, if you know, you know my my stance on books I might be too woke for people burgling someone's house, but I'd love to see this like a YouTube thing just to see if you could get away with it. I think it'd be amazing. It'd be impossible, obviously, pretty much. I mean, 99% of people would not go to this show after the car's just been stolen and they wouldn't be so trusting. Although one of our mates we said earlier actually I think he'd probably do it, wouldn't he?
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, yeah. So that's good, isn't it? And I don't think you'd see like, oh, I can't believe it. How unlucky is that One day you get your car robbed and then the next day your house is robbed.
Speaker 1:I don't think he'd make the connection whatsoever. Imagine he's always one step ahead of us. Anyway, mine one's pretty similar, my next one, and you will have heard of this one I imagine everyone listening has got their own version of this and it's the hand-licking murderer. I know, you know what I'm on about here, Liam, because I think as soon as I said it, you knew what I was talking about, didn't you?
Speaker 2:Yeah, I don't know if I quite know it as the sort of urban I think I came across this as a oh yeah, one of those false urban myths I'm not sure I've heard this in a way that I believed it.
Speaker 1:I'm pretty sure my dad told me this as a kid and I might have spreaded this one at our school. So I'm reading this. It's on Wikipedia page this the hand licking murderous. I'm reading it word for word off Wikipedia Sorry, is it American or UK?
Speaker 2:We heard it in England we heard it in the UK.
Speaker 1:It doesn't actually say where it's from.
Speaker 2:It's just an urban.
Speaker 1:It sounds quite American to me. It sounds American just judging by this. But anyway, a very young girl is home alone for the first time, with only her dog for company. Listening to the news, she hears of a killer on the loose in the neighbourhood. Terrified, she locks all the doors and windows, but forgets about the basement window, and it is left unlocked. You should have had some scary music here or, like your partridges, like Dario Franchetti's Jazz Night.
Speaker 1:She goes to bed, taking her dog to her room with her and letting it sleep under her bed. She wakes in the night to hear a dripping sound coming from the bathroom. The dripping noise frightens her, but she's too scared to get out of bed and find out what it is. To reassure herself, she reaches a hand towards the floor for the dog and is rewarded with a lick to the hand. The next morning she goes to the bathroom for a drink of water, only to find her dead, mutilated dog hanging in the shower, his blood dripping into the tiles on the shower wall, written in dog's blood. I don't know why. You know it would be dog's blood, but written in dog's blood are the words humans can lick too. She goes back to her room and she sees something under her bed.
Speaker 2:She won't go back to your room.
Speaker 1:Would you panic stations? You don't know. She don't know what she's doing, so she's. She finds it. She goes back to her room. She finds a piece of paper with a phone number on it. She calls as if you do this. She calls it and a middle-aged woman picks up crying and screaming do not open any doors, do not open any windows, hide. Terrified. The girl hides in the bathroom and doesn't turn around until she hears a splat on the tinted window. She can't see what it is at first, but it becomes to be a long blood-covered trail. She turns to the dog and, as scary as it is, there is a new note in the mirror with fresh dripping blood saying sorry, I forgot something, with the dog's tail cut off.
Speaker 2:I mean, where do I start that?
Speaker 1:could happen.
Speaker 2:That could easily happen I believe as a kid, yeah, I believe as a kid, yeah when I was about 12, and when I told her this, I was like, oh my. God, there's so much of that that makes no sense, right.
Speaker 1:I don't remember the end bit of my version, by the way. For me it was just the humans can link to, and it ended there. I've given the full Wikipedia version.
Speaker 2:But it's so ridiculous I'm trying to think where do we even start with this one? I think there, let me go through it. Let me go through it for you, step by step, Young girls home alone.
Speaker 1:That could happen. Obviously Possible, yeah, possible. Listening to the news, she is a killer on the loose in the neighbourhood Again possible, Terrified.
Speaker 2:At that stage do they call him the hand-licking serial?
Speaker 1:killer. No, no, no. At that stage it's just the killer on the loose.
Speaker 2:So there's a killer on the loose. There's no mention of the licking the hands at this stage. No, no, no, no. There's a killer on the loose, so she locks all the wood. But is the implication? Sorry, is the implication, because you introduced him as the hand licking killer.
Speaker 1:That's what it's called, but that's not known. So is this one of his?
Speaker 2:tricks, then, or is this just a one-off that on this occasion he licked the hand?
Speaker 1:I, I I. This is just a one-off. He's not a serial killer.
Speaker 2:Whatever you think about this man, he's not a serial killer so all right, okay, so at least that puts a little bit makes more sense. So this so his thing is that, because I was thinking, yeah, but not every person he kills would have a dog that sleeps under a bed.
Speaker 1:So it's just a killer on the loose and on this occasion and he's got to be a serial killer because he's already killed someone I know, because he hasn't killed the girl yet, has he? So he's only killed.
Speaker 2:He doesn't even kill the girl. No, he doesn't kill the girl. He's not a serial killer, we don't know, yeah, he's killed someone he's killed someone.
Speaker 1:We don't know.
Speaker 2:We don't know. We don't know if they had a dog. We we don't know that that this guy who had killed a dog that was under the bed because she was scared, somehow the dog come out of the bed, went into the bathroom where he killed the dog. Did it make a noise? No noise, silent, killing, blood everywhere no noise. Then he gets into the room and under the bed before she hears anything or knows anything.
Speaker 1:He's licking her hand, which I've never been he knows that for comfort, she puts her hand under.
Speaker 2:if the dog never sleeps under the bed, that'd be the weirdest sensation ever. That'd freak me out. Just somebody whether it's a dog or a person licking my hand in the middle of the night. I don't want that. But he knew that that was a regular thing for her. For comfort, yeah, she reaches under the bed and the dog licks the hand.
Speaker 1:So he might have been stalking her. He might have been stalking her for a while, but on the news the killer on the loose, so he's killed recently.
Speaker 2:As well as watching her and knowing that she likes the dog until he can't, he knows what he's doing.
Speaker 1:He might be the same guy who did the burglary thing. Yeah, he's moved on Serial killers do that. The escalate yeah.
Speaker 2:So I know you were going through step by step, I'm just thinking it through. So then in the morning, after hearing the dripping that she dismissed that dripped all night, never went to look. She finds the dog dead, mutilated, writing on the thing, doesn't run out of the house screaming, doesn't phone anyone, goes back into the room. This is the bit I don't get at all the killer passes her on the route somewhere and he goes back into the bathroom, or does he leave at that stage?
Speaker 1:well, I don't know, because, like I say my version, it ends with humans can link to in the wikipedia version there's she finds a piece of paper with a phone number on it. She calls it.
Speaker 2:I don't get that bit at all.
Speaker 1:No, I don't get this bit and a middle-aged woman starts crying, saying don't open any doors, so she hides in the bathroom, doesn't turn around, and then she has a splat on a tinted window. She can't see what it is at first, but it becomes to be a long blood-covered trail. She turns to the dog and, as scary as it is, there is a new note in the mirror with dripping blood saying sorry, I forgot something, with the dog's tail cut off. So I think that's insinuating he's still in the room.
Speaker 2:So his calling card is that he takes the dog's tail.
Speaker 1:Yeah, but it doesn't kill. Right forget that last bit, forget the last bit, because that's not the bit I believed, right.
Speaker 2:Because if someone had.
Speaker 1:Imagine if my dad had carried it on and on and on this tail, like when he would tell him mate and also, you won't believe what happened next. Right, I just found this woman. What happened next?
Speaker 2:right. I just found this woman. She found a man this time, even like if you were writing this as a film. I don't understand the bit where you say, because it adds nothing to the story, she found a middle-aged woman answers. I love, like that's relevant. What Middle-aged? Honestly, she was middle-aged.
Speaker 1:Middle-aged. I don't get that bit at all Lock your doors.
Speaker 2:She doesn't say get out the house because the note's there for her to phone, so he's already in the house. She says lock your doors, lock yourself in with this thing that cuts off dogs' tails.
Speaker 1:I don't know if she knows the dog and she was middle-aged. Forget it. Forget it. You've ruined it.
Speaker 2:You've ruined my childhood but you're right, I just don't would have believed.
Speaker 1:The last bit is irrelevant to me yeah, I get the sort of the.
Speaker 2:It's more like the ghost stories. I used to hear what were like they were never actually ghost stories, they were just creepy stories. People said you want to hear a ghost. I think I mentioned one before where the a hunter. I love like the sort of nonsense of it. A hunter lived on his own with a baby in the woods and he went out to chop some firewood and he had a dog and when he came in, the baby's sheets were all over the floor, blood everywhere, the dog in the corner with blood in its mouth. So he shoots the dog and then, as he pulls back the covers why is it always?
Speaker 1:the bloody dog getting. I don't like this. Why is it always the dog he?
Speaker 2:shoots the dog. Then he pulls back the covers baby's giggling I'm fine and in the bed sheets with the baby is a body of a snake that the dog has killed and and he says, oh god, I've killed the dog that protected. And then there's a number and a middle-aged woman answers and she says lock your doors. No, but that. But it reminds me of that sort of thing. It's more like a creepy tale than something I would have thought. Oh God, I hope that doesn't happen to me.
Speaker 1:As I was searching for this, I went on Reddit and someone said oh yeah, it's the same as this other one, which I'd never heard. But it's the same story but a guy? Well, it's not the same story at all. A guy takes a girl home from the bar and they get it on. This is not my words, by the way. This is what I'm reading from Reddit. They get it on bareback. He wakes in the morning to find a message on his bathroom mirror written in lipstick welcome to the world of AIDS so I mean it's not on.
Speaker 2:I get what you mean. It's another one of those creepy sort of things.
Speaker 1:It's more realistic that one.
Speaker 2:I'd say, yeah, I suppose it's that I would accept that one kind of as possible. Yeah, anyway, I want a bear back.
Speaker 1:Get it. Oh, that's what he put. They're getting it on bear back. He has to have that, though, obviously. If anything, though that's quite good, though that's because he's basically saying rubber up and be safe, isn't it he's giving? Saying rubber up and be safe, isn't it? It's like he's giving like good. It could be like a duress, hadn't it? Yeah, that entire myth is like you don't know who you're sleeping with sometimes, so rubber up and be safe. Liam, tell me your number three. Yeah.
Speaker 2:I'm on it, my number three, and, to be fair, I never believe this one. I had another one I'll mention at the end. I don't know if you've got any honorable mentions, but I've got a few honorable mentions. Yeah, the one I'm going to go with is one I've doubted all my life, and the internet has just proved what I always thought, and this is the fact that a swan can break your arm.
Speaker 1:I nearly had this one.
Speaker 2:I nearly had this one I was told loads of times my mom particularly like I'll be careful around swans. A swan can break your arm. I say, what do you mean? In my head, somehow if you got into a fight with a swan, it would use its neck to almost kind of arm lock you and break your arm. And I just think, what do you mean? How is that even possible? But you must have heard this. This was common calling. Honestly, I nearly had it.
Speaker 1:I nearly had it. It's on my honourable mentions.
Speaker 2:I mean, what's funny as well is that on the search, because you get this sort of co-pilot, help now, don't you, to generate something.
Speaker 1:But I just thought can a?
Speaker 2:swan break a person's arm In a blue box. Capitals no. No swans cannot break a man's arm. This is largely considered.
Speaker 1:That's what they've done in a very particular situation.
Speaker 2:Well, it says, its beak can cause bruising and the wings can deliver a strong blow, but they do not possess the physical capability to break human bones.
Speaker 1:Obviously, we've known in the last podcast video, you're not often a fan of poultry.
Speaker 2:Well, actually, yeah, I mean, we mentioned the seagull.
Speaker 1:Yeah you know you've got a big war going on with the seagulls in the community of were it Chapel, st Leonard's or whatever it was, maybe Cornwall?
Speaker 2:No, that was in Cornwall, yeah, but. I've actually had a fist fight with a swan actually as well, and I did win that.
Speaker 1:What do you mean?
Speaker 2:you've had a fist fight with a swan, so I might have told this before on the, the mainly podcast. I'm not sure, but when I was in corby at the boating lake, I was there with my little niece and she was feeding the swans. Well, she's feeding the ducks, but then the swans kind of like to get involved, don't they?
Speaker 2:yeah but one come out of the water and and it kind of came in front of her with its wings spread like wide, like trying to get the bag of bread off her, basically. So I had to deliver a swift slap to the side of his head and then it kind of like went for me a bit so I jabbed it with that. I was holding some sort of a doll, like a Barbie doll or something, so I jabbed it with that and it retreated. So I've kind of disproved it straight away. It didn't go anywhere near my arms.
Speaker 1:I love the idea of the WWF, listening to this podcast and thinking this is a good podcast, a good sponsor is getting me involved and you always have to bring up how many times you're slapping seagulls and swans around. But yeah, I did believe this all the way through my childhood. But it's weird because it was one of the myths that I first thought of. I think in myths it's called what people used to say and I don't know why. It reminds you another one that I was gonna bring up. I'll, I'm gonna manage it, I'll bring it up. Now he's pissing in swimming pools and it turns blue. I don't know if that's true. You know if you're pissing a swimming pool, I think sorry, not because it is blue.
Speaker 1:it turns green, not blue. Whatever fucking colour it is, changes colour.
Speaker 2:I think there is a chemical you can put in that does that. I think I've never, seen it in action.
Speaker 1:No, I don't think that I've never pissed in a pool. Not because of that, I'm just not a dirty bastard, but I'm not sure. If you have pissed in a pool, please let us know if the colour of the water changed, please. It would be good to know.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I suppose yeah. But then if people sort of say, no, it doesn't, will everyone just start doing it. It's the threat of the environment.
Speaker 1:As an international podcast, we have the power to make loads of people start doing it.
Speaker 2:We could ruin pool hygiene here, couldn't we? Because if we announce that it doesn't work, then everyone might start doing it and think well, it doesn't matter. Who remembers said it doesn't matter?
Speaker 1:Yeah, it's the opposite of a public information problem, let us know.
Speaker 2:If it isn't, no, because you wouldn't know. If it isn't, you would know, wouldn't you? If you have done the crime, you will know what the result was.
Speaker 1:So let us know either way it'll be anonymous if you want private messages yeah, we'll keep it to ourselves yeah, yeah, yeah, big time.
Speaker 1:my final one, and this is a personal one and I can't find anything on the internet about this. I've mentioned it to you before. I'm sure I remember this happening because I personally have told people about it, and it's again about a kids TV show, bagpuss Way before our time I think the 70s, weren't it 1973? I've just looked. Actually, bagpuss was a TV show aimed at children that ran for 13 episodes in 1973. And the story of Bagpuss was it was a stuffed cat that lived in a toy shop and whenever Bagpuss whereas it was a stuffed cat that lived in a toy shop and whenever Bagpuss woke up, so did the other toys and they'd all have these adventures together. When Bagpuss went to sleep, all the other toys went to sleep, and that really aimed at pre-teens. Do you remember it at all?
Speaker 2:I used to watch it, sometimes with my mum, whenever it repeated, because she remembers it from her childhood.
Speaker 1:So she used to sometimes say I used to watch this let's watch, yeah, my mom and dad. So I certainly saw some episodes of that. I didn't know it really well now I might get some names and and things wrong here, as unusual as that is for me. I remember listen, I'm sure it was mark meadowcroft who used to present alum fm in the 90s and he used to do I don't know the 9 till 11 slot and I don't know what they were. Him and scott in m don't know why they were him and Scotty McClue. You remember Scotty McClue. I don't even think this is just a Sheffield thing. I think he's been on loads of different Moose loose about this. Who's the?
Speaker 2:Dinky-doo, scotty McClue, yeah.
Speaker 1:Anyway, it's not him I'm talking about. I'm sure it was Mark Meadowcroft and one of his phone-ins. He was doing a phone-in on all kids' TV shows and I swear I remember him saying that Bagpuss had the saddest ending of any kids' TV show ever because in the final episode Bagpuss is bought by a child, he leaves the shop. That means the rest of the toys never wake up again. And the end line was the narrator saying and the toys never woke up again. And I remember genuinely him saying that and me having a shiver. I've got shiver now. Imagine that as an ending to a kids tv, pre-teen kids tv show. I'm shivering now.
Speaker 1:But this has obviously stuck with me because I'm talking about 30 years later and I don't know if meadowcroft, if it were him, I I don't know if he, if he was duped or if he was trying to dupe the audience, if he was playing like a prank, but when he was, he definitely spoke about sad endings of TV shows, like kids' TV shows or whatever endings of kids' TV shows. So dinosaurs remember dinosaurs that we spoke about at the old eye With the end of dinosaurs, the kids' TV show Dungeons and Dragons they never get home, you know, but it turns into like zombies or aliens yeah, post-apocalypse fucking, whatever the fuck happens there, yeah, you hate, you hate the fact they become self-aware.
Speaker 1:Um yeah yeah, uh, but when people use talk about endings and I'm talking about our mate uh ross he was a massive dungeon dragons fan and he's our best thing about it is that they never got home, so it's so it's a really sad ending for him. You think it's not an happy ending for a kid's show and I'm like that's nothing, mate. You know bad puss. I told him the bad puss tale and then the internet came along. I started searching this.
Speaker 2:And.
Speaker 1:I've searched and searched and searched, so I've watched the final episode today. It doesn't happen. The last episode of Backpuss. Does he get bored? No, he just goes to sleep at the end of every episode. And the narrator this is what's weird about it, because I didn't realise there was a narrator in it until I watched it back, but I've got the narrator line in my head as part of the story. And at the end of the final episode, the narrator says and as always, Backpuss goes to sleep and so do the rest of the toys, and that's it normal ending. This has fucked my head up massively.
Speaker 2:This because I can't have made this up in my own head as a kid, because it's too well, as we said earlier, the only thing I can say is you sort of build stories in your I know of events that you've misremembered. But but the over time you become more and more adamant. That are true, and I and I seen that, but I was there. It just did not happen like that.
Speaker 1:But sometimes you prove me wrong and if you have to give me credit, if you've got the evidence, I will happily immediately Sometimes say ah shit, happily immediately sometimes say ah shit, yeah, I don't remember that. Oh god, right, okay, that one wrong, yeah, um, but but how? This is not.
Speaker 2:I can't understand, because there's not, there's not another the only thing I could think is something like that a caller said on meadow. Old meadowcroft said I've always thought that the saddest thing that could happen was that bagpuss was bought by somebody so the rest of them couldn't wake up. That because that could have. Thing that could happen was that bagpuss was bought by somebody so the rest of them couldn't wake up. That because that could have happened. That could be you thinking, oh god that, imagine that if rest of them couldn't wake up and then over time that's become?
Speaker 2:ah, do you remember that where mark meadowcroft said that I like, I love how he's part of the urban myth that there's no other urban myths that include mark meadowcroft? I don't mark meadowcroft.
Speaker 1:I used to do funny phone calls to him. I say funny, they weren't funny at all. I don't know if you ever used to do those.
Speaker 2:You used to phone Scott McClough up and yeah, we've phoned Scott McClough a couple of times, yeah.
Speaker 1:Yeah and said not me, and you recently like. Imagine that now.
Speaker 2:I mean whenever at school we phoned him.
Speaker 1:Imagine that. But yeah, I used to thought it was a really shit thing. So I used to go like Hunger Strike's bomb, da-da-bomb, da-da-bomb, da-da-bomb, which is the Shreddies art. I don't know why. I always remember that, but I remember throwing it up. And Mark Meadowcroft I think he came after Scottie McClure.
Speaker 2:Scottie McClure was just a daft show. I think Meadowcroft.
Speaker 1:I can't picture Mark Meadowcroft, I presume he's still.
Speaker 2:What if Mark Meadowcroft can picture Mark Meadowcroft?
Speaker 1:Mark Meadowcroft does ruin my life, because this is messing my head. Like I say, it's a little bit like the Roy J thing which we're going to have to do an episode on. Thinking about it, because it's a little bit like I sort of think I've seen that episode. Now Do you know what would be really?
Speaker 2:interesting If you'd not have done this in this episode, and maybe we'll just do it anyway, because they won't remember. They won't remember If we did a Saddest Endings to TV shows and you'd have done. Bagpulse if we could have got that out into sort of common, because I've tried to get out into the wide world. Geez, louie, gee.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I say that a lot.
Speaker 2:So instead of geez louise, you say ah, geez luigi, yeah I think, I've heard people saying that I think I started that you start.
Speaker 1:You were only around my brother who thought he started flyaways, didn't he?
Speaker 2:yeah, yeah I once uh true I once tried to invent a phrase like do you remember when Europe went to Euro and we stuck with a pound If you did something good?
Speaker 1:Oh fuck, I know you used to say this all the time.
Speaker 2:Yeah, you can't convert that into a Euro.
Speaker 1:You used to play football and score a really average goal and say you can't convert that into the Euro.
Speaker 2:I was desperate to get that into people. I wanted someone to say it back to me so I could think yes, I got that.
Speaker 1:If anyone wants to give it a go again it still works in theory. Anyway, I don't know how we got on to that. We could have made obviously the ending to Bagpuss.
Speaker 2:I suppose my point there was, by the way, that that is perfectly plausible, bagpuss. I suppose my point there was, by the way, that that is perfectly plausible. Bang Plus is not on all the time. I would believe that there's no reason for me to challenge that.
Speaker 1:See, there's another one that I nearly picked and it was in the last ever episode of He-Man, skeletor 1. That's not true, but it's sort of the way the DVDs were processed for He-Man, the Masters of the Universe. The last episode was one where you could sort of say Skeletor won, but it wasn't the last episode, they were just in any order, if that makes sense.
Speaker 2:Yeah, because there's no progression over time Is it not just every week.
Speaker 1:He tries to do the same thing basically. So that's sort of a mixed myth where it wasn't the last episode but you can sort of see it kind of is something that would back that up, isn't it?
Speaker 2:Yeah, but is this back plus one? No, I can't find anything about a sad last episode. I can't find anything about Even anybody sort of saying you know, wouldn't it be sad if this was the last episode? I can't find anything.
Speaker 1:Anyway, horrible.
Speaker 2:For a younger generation. Obviously, in Toy Story the toys can all come alive when the people aren't around. They're always alive, but they're motionless. But in this it relied on Bagpuss waking up.
Speaker 1:That was the trigger that woke the rest of the toys up. So when Bagpuss has been bought, because he's not with them anymore, no one else can wake up. What ending that would have been. We should fucking do it, we AI now. It should be right easy to do that. If anyone can be bothered, you probably want to go in your sleep, don't you?
Speaker 2:It's not a horrible ending for the rest of us?
Speaker 1:No, but if anyone can, be bothered, please do an AI version of Bagpuss where at the end he gets bought and it's some proper sinister music, I think at the end as well. Wow, World in Action theme tune.
Speaker 2:How would you demonstrate it? Then you just have sort of a time-lapse of the shot, with the sun rising and falling, but the toy's just always asleep.
Speaker 1:Oh, that'd be. I'm crying. Honestly, I've never even watched Bagpuss. Reminds me of a really good creepypasta. A few of these sort of creepypasta things. Have you ever heard of Candle Cove?
Speaker 2:No.
Speaker 1:So it's a short story, but I'll give you the even shorter version. It's basically a message board where all these people are saying, oh, who remembers that kid's TV show? And as it gets on, it gets creepy. Oh yeah, remember that episode where they were just screaming at camera? And someone goes oh no, yeah, someone goes. Wasn't a dream, I remember that, and it gets you know what I mean more sinister. Then, right at the end, someone says oh, I went to visit my mum today and I mentioned we were talking about Candle Cove. She goes oh yeah, that little pirate show that you made up when you were just staring at a static screen. That's creepy, isn't it? It's a good one, yeah, anyway, honourable mentions. Liam, do you want me to do yours? Do you want to do yours? I know you've got one, but you were reluctant to bring up.
Speaker 2:Yeah, obviously you do a Chef United podcast. We try to branch this into other areas. We're not ruling out ever doing something Chef United related, but for now at least, we're trying to stay away from it, because this sort of went round at my school.
Speaker 2:I was convinced, probably in about year three I don't know when Bassett was there, but Dave Bassett was Sheffield United manager and I was told on good authority by just another kid in the playground that Dave Bassett used to let his wife pick the team because he thought she had a good insight and he partly was being a little lazy he had a good insight. Yeah, he trusted a judgment and he kind of found it easier, rather than dropping certain players, to let his wife make the decisions. Yeah, I mean think how ridiculous.
Speaker 1:I genuinely think this went round at our school. I have a half memory of Dave Bassett. Yeah, you do know of Dave Bassett. You do know it's Bassett's wife who picks teams, is it?
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, I can only assume that they started as a Wednesday fan saying Bassett's got no clue, his wife picks a team and somebody just latching on to that. All right, rick. It's not as daft as you sound, that one, because you remember Neil Warnock. I was going to say there's some sort of Warnock thing, isn't there, where his wife had a dream or a premonition or something. His wife often has dreams about people scoring winning goals.
Speaker 1:There's a brilliant story with Steve Cabber. He says that I was playing for Sheffield United and it's Sheffield United versus Sheffield Wednesday. And the day before Warnock goes, you're in the team, son, and he goes cabs. I'm dropping you, he goes. Missus has had a dream last night. Uh, alan quinn scores the winner and he goes, so I'm putting you on bench. He says I can't believe it. And then alan quinn did score the winner and that's the. That's the brilliant end.
Speaker 2:That's like an urban myth, but that did happen yeah, yeah, which I mean obviously I've I've typed in did dave bassett's wife ever pick the football team at Sheffield United? Nothing has come up, as you would imagine, and why would he train with them all week and then put that on her? Why would he put that pressure on her?
Speaker 1:Because obviously this is a very I mean even now. I think if you had a woman in charge of your team, like a lot of people would be going, what Can't get a women to do it? Men's team. What's going on here? And what Can't get a women doing men's team? What's going on here?
Speaker 2:Yeah, but I suppose even now there are sort of genuine debates about sort of you know, emma Hayes particularly but could a female manage a men's team? Yeah, I don't really see why not, but in this area, you're right.
Speaker 1:Bassett's wife were very successful under her, weren't they Very?
Speaker 2:pre-woke, isn't it?
Speaker 1:Well, bassett got two promotions, Bassett got two. Bassett's wife oversaw two promotions, didn't she yeah?
Speaker 2:the only thing that made me think it might be true is when Bassett went to collect the trophy for getting promoted, it was actually his wife who lifted the trophy first. That is complete nonsense by the way brilliant.
Speaker 1:I've got a few more here. There were two ultimate warriors. Have you heard this one before?
Speaker 2:No, but you've sort of what was it? Conspiracy Theory is where I mentioned two.
Speaker 1:Oh, have I mentioned this before?
Speaker 2:Sorry, no, I don't think you have now, but I'm thinking along the lines of Paul McCartney, and I think we mentioned Avril Lavigne but is this not a? Replacement, then this is that there are two characters.
Speaker 1:So he went away for a bit. I think he just basically had an argument with, or he might have even got suspended by, vince mcmahon you're fired and um yeah, and he went away and he came back and he wasn't as muscly as he was before. So everyone just said, oh, he's died. The reason he actually went away is because he died and there's two ultimate warriors it's not that he stopped taking steroids for a little bit no, it's not that they were in the middle of a massive steroid scandal.
Speaker 1:yeah, nothing to do with that. I think it's Polbius arcade machine. Have you heard this one? No, so there's an arcade machine in the 80s. There was an arcade machine in the 80s. You played it and it used to program kids into being assassin drones. There's big documentaries about this on YouTube. If you type it in, it's P-O-L-Y B-R-U-S.
Speaker 2:Which assassinations were these drones responsible for? There's loads of different versions.
Speaker 1:So I've seen even people link it to 9-11 and things. This is how 9-11 happened. You know, imagine I've been late and playing this arcade machine and then I'm like starting now there's loads. Obviously there's loads you can do with it.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I mean obviously Derren Brown's done stuff kind of along the lines of you can get people to act in a certain way with certain triggers. I kind of see that there could be some logic behind something like that, but not on that scale now Can?
Speaker 1:you imagine if it was so obvious, like you put your pound in it and it just says you must kill the President of the United States. You must kill the President of the United States. Run over again. Bob Holness played the saxophone solo on Baker Street. This is a really, really famous one, this.
Speaker 2:I remember this, yeah yeah, but this is another one of why would you challenge it. But I wonder if this got mixed up with. Bob Holness was the original James Bond, I don't know. Have you heard that one?
Speaker 1:No, I haven't actually, but I'd say he's been involved in a few, because there's Matt Holness who did Garth Marenghi's Dark Place. There were a big myth that he was his son, bob Holness's son, and he's not.
Speaker 2:I've not even heard that one. But no, I think, technically speaking speaking, because there was a radio play done of James Bond and not of Doctor no, and Bob Holness voiced him, then technically he is the first person to have played James Bond. I might be completely wrong on that. I think that's true.
Speaker 1:I've just looked at Bob Holness' Wikipedia page and there's actually there's a section to Baker Street. Bob Holness, it's brilliant. Have you ever heard the undercover version of that from the 90s, when, in your way, it's exactly the same, but it repeats the last line, so it goes like drifting out of way. I forget about everything thing that's it.
Speaker 2:Just say thing Sounds good.
Speaker 1:It's good, it's a brilliant song. Anyway, wholeness um. It's claimed that apparently it was stuart mcconaughey who um wrote this in new musical express in 1980 in a section called believe it or not, and he said, almost played the saxophone riff on jerry rafferty 78 song. The actual performer was called rafael ravenscroft. Wow, um, but tommy boyd, uh, the dj has um since claimed that he was the one who made it. So there's a bit of a. Do you know what I mean? There's a bit of a bit of.
Speaker 2:Everyone wants the rumor, don't throw yeah and uh.
Speaker 1:Yeah, the last one um, this one I saw off reddit was the tall one from keaton and kel killed himself. You know, the one who loved orange soda. And then someone replied why did he commit suicide? And he put back when his show were cancelled. He was just really sad.
Speaker 2:I've never heard. I think I've heard you mention that. I thought he was dead.
Speaker 1:There's another one that I believe, that one I remember, like probably post-school this oh, you know one of them's dead. This definitely come up Keenan and Kel I don't know which one it was and I go really fucking hell. It's terrible.
Speaker 2:Tufty Club on as we're recording today's released episode mentioned a burger phone. I'm wondering because they were trying to think what it was showing and I was wondering if that was Keenan and Kel. I don't have anything to whack it up with because I've very rarely watched it.
Speaker 1:Yeah, you told me about like a hamburger phone or something.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, they'd done about a phone that visually looks like a hamburger, and then they were trying to guess.
Speaker 1:Do you remember how it started?
Speaker 2:What.
Speaker 1:Tuffy Club, no Keenan. Imagine Tuffy Club starting like this the first line on Keenan and Kelly's. Ah, here it goes, Good evening.
Speaker 2:Good evening.
Speaker 1:Good evening. Yeah, it's the opening. The theme tune is here it Goes by Coolio of Gangster's Paradise theme.
Speaker 2:Right, okay, I can't think of any of the other ones I'm going to do, to be honest, so I think we've probably done enough. Haven't we Done loads of that?
Speaker 1:yeah, let us know your own favourite urban myths. It could family done loads of that. Yeah, let us know your own favorite urban myths.
Speaker 2:Um, it could even be ones that you think that you know they're not. Yeah, don't worry if it's still not provably false, but they were the sort of. The ones that we started on is the ones that you believed wholeheartedly at the time, but actually now it's very easy to find that they're not true yeah, yeah, so let us know.
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