Big Brother Series 1: How It Changed Reality TV Forever (From The Madeley Archives)

We rewind to the moment Nick Bateman becomes “Nasty Nick”, from the breathless build-up and the house meeting that plays like a low-rent Poirot, to the unforgettable accusations and the fury that erupts when the rule break becomes public. Along the way we talk through why the early weeks of the series feel so flat on a rewatch, how boredom and confinement turn small slights into huge drama, and why some housemates keep their heads while others go nuclear. It is a proper early-reality-TV time capsule: raw, awkward, oddly innocent, and then suddenly explosive.

We also ask the question that still needles at the story: was Nick actually nasty, or just the first person to treat nominations like a game you can try to win? And if cameras are watching 24 hours a day, why does Big Brother act only once the house has exposed him? If you like Big Brother, UK television nostalgia, and how reality TV manufactures villains, then smash play. Subscribe, share the episode with a mate, and leave us a review, then tell us: did Nasty Nick deserve the label?

Transcript

Welcome To The Melee Archives

SPEAKER_04 0:00

Hello, this is our second episode from the Melee Archives. And this is remembering the episode that we did on Big Brother Series One from March 2021. I hope you're going to enjoy it.

SPEAKER_03 0:53

Yeah, so this was our fourth ever episode, this one, William. Yeah, we were we were young, we were fresh faced, we were we weren't we weren't tainted by the world around us back then, were we? Yeah, it's a fairly short episode, this one, because a lot of this uh episode, which we've cut out because it'll not make any sense to people who didn't listen to Liverwhee, is all about the the what the infamous Dad Sampson saga.

SPEAKER_04 1:15

Uh yeah, we might we might reshare that, but I think like I I would say I mean I wouldn't put you off going back and listening to the the Dad Samson Livermaidly or the the aftermath of it, but I would say we'll we'll we'll capture on here at some point. So you you don't need to go and dig that out. We'll we'll talk you through it, we'll guide you through it safely with a lot of fun, I would say.

SPEAKER_03 1:35

Yeah, yeah, yeah. And this would Big Brother One, which we at this point people might be a bit confused. So listen, but I don't think you've listened back to this one, have you? Um people might be a bit confused because I say, What have you got for me, Liam? Because at this point we used to You we'd have an episode, each I'd come with an episode, then you'd come with an episode, and you might lead it with one and I'd do the research for other yeah, rather than it being a joint thing, so that might confuse people. I'm sure they won't, they're they're intelligent, intelligent folk who listen to us. Um but yeah, Big Brother Series 1, um was it good, was it bad? It's mainly about that nasty Nick thing, isn't it, to be fair? That's certainly the flash point, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 2:11

But I mean well, we'll we'll leave you to listen to it and see what you think. I I remember I almost don't want to kind of give the game away, but I remember sort of remembering it as one thing and then actually re-watching it and seeing it as another. So yeah, join us uh as we go back to the Maidley Archives.

Why Big Brother Series 1 Sticks

SPEAKER_03 2:44

Episode 4, Big Brother, this is Liam's choice. I'd just like to what what made you choose this one?

SPEAKER_04 2:48

I mean, I suppose it's pretty obvious in a way, but I think yeah, when we when we discussed we were gonna do a podcast and and talk about TV moments that we remembered. I I don't think we could do this this series without mentioning Big Brother Series 1. Um it was such an icon, I mean, particularly the Nasty Nick incident. I think we've decided over the week, actually, the rest of the series is that dull that we're not we're not actually gonna do much other than the Nasty Nick, but oh yeah, I think it's all about that particular episode. Yeah. But yeah, I mean, obviously, yeah, I think I think you watched it at the time, did you? What what to me this was massive. This was such a big moment, and it's strange because actually watching it back for this, it's not, is it? But at the time, do you remember it being big?

SPEAKER_03 3:33

Yeah, well, I've got a message before, as we were obviously saying we were gonna do this episode. Uh I got a message um from Dar, not Dar Samson, uh, unfortunately. No, Darren Food messaged in, and he said that um he believed the nick the nasty nick thing was one of the top five most exciting moments of his entire life. Wow.

SPEAKER_04 3:53

And uh we did um somebody actually said to us, didn't they? And uh we're not we're not gonna give the name away on this one, but somebody said this.

SPEAKER_03 4:00

It's controversial, I suppose, but yeah.

SPEAKER_04 4:01

It's bigger than nine uh bigger than 9-11.

SPEAKER_03 4:04

Yes, uh, someone messaged in and said that it were bigger than 9-11 uh when nasty night got uh found out by Craig and Darren and the rest of them. But it's huge.

SPEAKER_04 4:14

Yeah, but I do see the I kind of see what they mean in a sense that it was a moment that everybody was talking about. It it was it was crazy. I mean, it was like uh I remember sitting on the edge of my bed watching it, just thinking this this is massive. And yeah, I mean we're gonna go through the the kind of the main bit of drama, but I think it is is Nick really that nasty? I mean he became nasty Nick at national hate fall.

SPEAKER_03 4:37

Well, we'll see if we'll get onto that and see how bad he's done. But as for the moment itself, I remember um it sort of coming on TV that oh, we're gonna expand, we're gonna extend Big Brother, uh, this this episode of Big Brother to an hour, make it an hour special due to the events in the house. And I wasn't really watching Big Brother at this stage. I knew I knew what it was, it was this new show, you know, put people in house, but I weren't watching it, and that obviously picked your ears pick up, don't they, when someone says that on TV. And I remember after the show, my mate, uh who I didn't know was watching it himself, phone, my god, did you see that? That was that was incredible. And as we go through it, as we've done a bit of research, this you'll soon realise that it's not actually that big of a thing that he's done. But in this, I don't know if it was just this vacuum of the show or whatever, but it were huge.

Why The Early Weeks Drag

SPEAKER_04 5:22

Yeah, uh let's set the scene a little bit. So it's the first time Big Brother's been shown before, hasn't it, in Holland and was it another country, Germany?

SPEAKER_03 5:32

Germany, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 5:33

So so this is new to the UK, but it's not it's not a new concept. Um, and with the 10 strangers who'd never met, we're gonna be placed in a house. I mean, pretty much the same format as as the Big Brothers that you'll have seen since, but the difference was we didn't have anything to compare this to, nobody knew what this was going to be like. Um, I think rather than us going back, going through the whole series, and I think should we just talk about the kind of the key players in the Nasty Nick incident? Should we focus in on that?

SPEAKER_03 6:02

The thing is, when we when Nick uh Nick called you Nick, Nasty Nasty Lee and picked this out last week. Uh I looked at stuff, it's a really boring series. It really is. Nothing happens in those first uh what was this? Was it week five the nasty nick incident happened? Yeah, week five. Yeah, and the the four weeks leading up to that, you've got really nothing. There were a couple of minor arguments, there's nothing going on, and it were really boring. And I was like looking at my notes, looking at you know what I've gone off thinking, I've got nothing here. This is just and then the nasty nick thing, my notepad was you know like 25 pages long. So I think we came to a decision like between us, didn't we, that we're best off just going straight to that one scene. Because before that, it were just the most boring big brother ever, the most honest, because no one were in there trying to be famous like they are now, but nothing happened, really, literally nothing happened.

SPEAKER_04 6:54

Yeah, and obviously these in the house, they had no idea who was watching. Um, they didn't know how it was being perceived, they didn't know what the viewing figures were like. So, yeah, like you say, it was a very it was very raw. People didn't know how it was going to go down.

SPEAKER_03 7:07

So the series were getting around three million viewers a week, which um if you just bear with me, uh I'll have a look what, like, for instance, series two were getting because uh it's not a lot. The rating shot up at this scene, basically. This scene made Big Brother. Yeah, Big Brother uh got 13 million viewers the series after uh average weekly. It were getting three in this one.

SPEAKER_04 7:32

Do you think this Big Brother on the Hall needed this moment? Was it? Because it still had a fan base, didn't it? And there were actually people watching it 24 hours a day. I think this just gave it that that bit of a jump, didn't it? I think it got people talking about it who weren't necessarily watching it at that moment.

SPEAKER_03 7:47

Myself included, I think it was one of those things. I mean, I well I've left school, I think, when I when this were on, but I must have been at college or whatever, and I'm probably spending too many, too many late nights playing football manager or whatever. But I I one of those sort of things I had on the background as I were doing something else, not real, because it were a new show, and you're thinking, oh, this has never been done before. But I wasn't engaged with it, I couldn't tell you any of the characters' names until after this moment.

SPEAKER_00 8:09

Yesterday was another extraordinary day in the history of

What Nick Actually Did

SPEAKER_00 8:12

Big Brother. So where were you when you heard that Nick had been kicked out of the house? And were you one of the six million people watching at midnight last night?

SPEAKER_04 8:21

So the the the main drama, what what happens, what it unfolds, is that Nick, Nick Bateman, Nasty Nick, what he'd been doing is apparently he'd been writing down names of other contestants and showing them to people in the hope that they would vote for whose name he was showing them. I mean, in essence, that is that is the crime, isn't it? That that is why he became a hate figure.

SPEAKER_03 8:44

Yeah, for writing some names.

SPEAKER_04 8:45

He wrote some names on a bit of paper. But obviously the rules are you're not allowed to influence anybody else's vote. Um and and there was prior there was money up to be won as well, wasn't there? Was it a £75 or £80,000? Yeah, fair amount. Um and and he was conspiring to try and get other housemates eliminated rather than himself. So it did some strange things to Rao. This this is the the the drama is the writing down of names, but also it turned out he'd uh he'd said his wife had died in a car crash, which wasn't true, um and I think he actually stole that story from from an ex-partner, I believe, and I think she was quite upset about that. Yeah, um he told everybody he was in the TAs and he was uh some kind of you know he'd done his army training and whatever, which actually got exposed when there's a brilliant scene where he's asked to do the monkey bars in the assault course, and he looks absolutely pathetic. It looks like some sort of like lizard done in that dangling off it.

SPEAKER_03 9:43

It is absolutely awful on it. And this is weird because even by this stage, this was like week three or something, there's a scene where Mel's looking outside watching him perform this task in such an awful way, saying, Do you think everything he says is a lie? So the people sort of knew what this guy was like.

SPEAKER_04 9:58

Well, yeah, it wasn't it wasn't likable, was he?

SPEAKER_03 10:01

I mean You say this, it wasn't nominated once.

SPEAKER_04 10:06

Yeah, I mean, I I suppose it was working. What what he was doing was working. I think he was quite inoffensive. He he didn't he didn't say or do anything particularly exciting. I think you know had he actually focused on trying to have some personality, it might have been alright, but instead he were just writing names down, weren't it?

SPEAKER_03 10:24

Yeah, yeah. So by this point, obviously, there's more, I think three people have been kicked out, haven't they?

SPEAKER_04 10:30

So this this is week five. Uh nobody left the first week, and then we've lost Sarder, Sorda, Caroline, and Andrew. Now, we're not gonna go into them because there's not really anything to say, is there?

SPEAKER_03 10:43

Well, yeah, Craig, how Craig Phillips, who ended up winning this show, pronounced Sarder is the only thing that is worth Sarder, Sarder, Shorter.

SPEAKER_04 10:54

Yeah, so I suppose you're right. That the most memorable thing about any of those three was Craig saying Sarder's name. I think that's that's genuine.

SPEAKER_03 11:01

That was probably the most memorable thing of the first four weeks of the show, actually.

SPEAKER_04 11:05

Yeah, I think so, yeah. Right, okay, so we've got six people left in

The Key Housemates Left Inside

SPEAKER_04 11:09

the house. We'll just very quickly go through them. Again, we're not gonna spend loads of time on the characters, but I think you need to know who's there at least for the scene. So we've got Craig Phillips, um, owned his own building company, Scouser, said Sada. Said Sada, yeah, that was his main thing. We've got Mel, uh, I suppose what would you say, early 20s?

SPEAKER_03 11:29

Uh yeah, she got she she complained after I got an article up when I was looking at this from the Daily Murray. What's it she was portrayed as a hussy. She got off with that boring handy.

SPEAKER_04 11:39

Uh yeah. I mean I I suppose yeah, at the time uh was she was she portrayed as a hussy? I don't I don't know. I don't I don't even know what hussy is.

SPEAKER_03 11:47

Well some say that she's actually one of the best people in the entire house, actually, I think.

SPEAKER_04 11:51

I think she's one of the one of the cleverest. She seemed she seemed to have Nick figured out, didn't she? Yeah, yeah, big time, yeah. Um we had Anna Nolan, who was a lesbian who'd been a nun before coming in the house. Um we had Nicola uh a Bolton Skinhead. Um quite loud, always a bit irritating, really, weren't she? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Uh and then we had well obviously Nick, but also we've got Tom, who's uh a guy from Northern Ireland.

SPEAKER_03 12:20

Uh he was my favourite ever Big Brother characters, this guy.

SPEAKER_04 12:24

He was brilliant, when he was so subdued and so kind of subtle. He's he's really quiet, softly spoken. Um it reminds me actually of my dad. My dad's got family over in Ireland, and uh his cousin once came over here and I heard somebody ask him, does he want a cup of tea? And he said uh no, a cup of hot water for me. And uh I've never heard anyone else ask for a cup of hot water, but I can imagine that sort of being Tom's thing, like no, no force, just uh hot water.

SPEAKER_03 12:51

Yeah, that's what I got from him, no force. It's just like sort of oh Tom, do you want do you want some food? No, I'll I'll just starve. It's only been three days, don't worry about it.

SPEAKER_04 12:59

Yeah, sure, sure, it's fine. Feed yourself, I'll I'll be fine.

SPEAKER_03 13:02

Don't worry. Tom, your legs on fire. Should we call uh an ambulance? No, no, no, don't worry about that. It's always on fire, don't worry about it.

SPEAKER_04 13:09

Yeah, so he was a really good character. Um and he he's got a key line in it that that we love, hasn't it?

SPEAKER_03 13:17

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 13:18

Um but we'll come to that bit.

SPEAKER_03 13:19

So You've missed one of them out.

SPEAKER_04 13:21

Who Nick?

SPEAKER_03 13:22

Yeah, Darren.

SPEAKER_04 13:24

Yeah, sorry, I forgot.

SPEAKER_03 13:25

Another one of my favourites. Darren was the only housemate in the series to have a child, but it was probably the most childish, I thought, uh, rather than other than Nick.

SPEAKER_04 13:33

What I seem to be just dropping in and out of rooms, like he seemed to be sort of marching around furious, didn't he?

SPEAKER_03 13:39

Wandering around having a go. Someone like Nick Nick Nicola woke him up actually just before this uh before all this sort of thing kicked off. He was so angry.

SPEAKER_04 13:48

I can't remember what it is, but I remember that it was like half one in the afternoon and she woke him up and he was absolutely livid. He was like, How dare you wake me up? Yeah, but yeah, he was a bit of a I mean again, I suppose you do need characters in there, but quite quite kind of irritating, seemed to like his own way.

SPEAKER_03 14:04

The worst thing about Darren by a mile were his pathetic nomination reasons where everyone else would go in, like Craig would go in and say, I'm voting for Sada, I just don't like her. Or whatever, and Tom ago, well, you know, I think Nicola's making too much of a fuss. But Tom would just say, uh, get get me out, sure, just take me out the house. I don't mind it. Shoot me, I don't care. Uh Darren Darren, uh, he used to say every time he'd put a nomination on it, I'd say, I think Craig, I'm gonna go for Craig because he's got a business on the outside, I think he wants to see to that, and I'm gonna go for Anna because I think you know she needs to get back to the nunnery or whatever. And Big Brother, in my opinion, purposely played these uh shit sort of reasons for nominating people over uh like the tanoy in the house, and everyone was with Darren for a bit, going like Craig's going, that's pathetic. What's pathetic? Why is he saying that? He just doesn't want to come across as the bad guy.

SPEAKER_04 14:57

You have to have a reason, it's not good enough to just say I'd like them to go home. It's actually one of the rules that you have to have a clear reason for who you're voting for.

SPEAKER_03 15:04

Well, after that, because he kept saying it, Big Brother actually changed the rules and he was asked to give a legitimate reason.

SPEAKER_04 15:10

Well, there you go. So, yeah, so that's and then obviously we've got the star of the show, Nick Bateman.

The Confrontation At The Table

SPEAKER_04 15:19

So the episode starts, and it says, coming up on tonight's episode, and we basically we see Darren outraged. Um, we see Nicola say to Nick, I can't believe you've done that. Why should we leave and you stay in? And then we see Nick being escorted to the car by security.

SPEAKER_03 15:38

The best thing about this, I reckon, is that obviously before the the what we're coming up thing came on, it were after inventing the house today. You think, What's he done? Has he murdered someone?

SPEAKER_04 15:47

Yeah, has he killed somebody like what's going on? But and actually, yeah, it's funny because it sets it up and it was really tense, and it didn't feel like it didn't deliver, if that makes sense. It it you'd kind of feel like, oh wow, look, he's getting the security, he's getting escorted out, but yeah, what's he done? And it turns out he's written down names on a bit of paper.

SPEAKER_03 16:07

But yeah, yeah, this is it. If you were telling your kids scandalous, if you were telling your kids or people had not seen it, he was younger than us or whatever, and you said Big Brother One, but the best one, why? Nick got kicked out. Why? What did he do? He written some names on a paper and showed them to people and said, vote for this guy. Yeah, that and right, is that it? Yeah, that was the biggest television moment.

SPEAKER_04 16:27

Yeah, this is now bigger than 9-11. Yeah, um, yeah, so so obviously we don't know what's coming, that's how it starts. I think the the way it pans out is I think a few of them sort of start talking, and I think there's a conversation between Tom and Craig, I believe. Uh I think Darren starts to get involved, and people start mentioning that that Nick's been showing them names on piece of paper. So then what happens then is Craig Craig obviously gets to hear from a few different people what's going on, and he takes on this kind of I like how he does it, it's almost like a murder mystery, like it's a kind of poiro or something like that. He he pulls everybody together around the table, yeah, he sits, he sits bang opposite Nick, and I mean he he calls him out really well, to be fair. He basically says, Look, I have reason to believe you've been showing pieces of paper to people with names on. I mean, Nick flat out denies it and said it's wrong. To which I think Darren storms into the room and brings out his case with names in it.

SPEAKER_03 17:19

Darren is the most outraged man I've ever seen. He's like Neil Warnock, like after decisions gone against him, he's furious.

SPEAKER_04 17:26

He's absolutely livid, isn't it? Like, really, really on one. Um and then Craig says a he says a great line to him. Like, let's play the line.

SPEAKER_05 17:33

I'm quite positive and got evidence uh that you're plotting a plot a very dirty plan on everybody in here to vote against each other and stay to diverge from you.

SPEAKER_03 17:44

That clip you just played, because you've obviously you've played it to me as well. I'm I I'm I'm gobsmacked. I'm absolutely gobsmacked. I thought he said you have been plotting a very devious plan to the point where I say it, I've been saying that in everyday life for the past 20 years.

SPEAKER_04 18:02

I've heard you say that loads of times, yeah. I uh you made me think it was a very devious plan.

SPEAKER_03 18:07

I can't believe it's not a very devious plan. Just like if I'm playing FIFA with someone and they make a sub, I'll say you are plotting a very devious plan. I say it all the time, like whatever is happening, do you know what I mean? Like if uh I don't know, someone at work like has I don't know, take them wrong sandwiches or something, and I'll say you've been plotting a very dev. I can't believe it's dirty plan. It's one of your catchphrases, gone. My catchphrase, and it's it's a fake one. I honestly that's that's blowing my mind.

SPEAKER_04 18:34

That I mean I'd say it would make more sense if you said devious, wouldn't it? Because it is a devious plan, it's not it's not a dirty plan, is it?

SPEAKER_03 18:40

That's not probably why I've got it wrong, it's not a dirty plan, is it?

SPEAKER_04 18:45

Um yeah, so so we can have this big moment, don't we, where there's there's shock, and and there's another fantastic line here. Uh, I think basically what Craig says is uh if anybody else wants to speak up, that's up to them. They might not want to in this environment. And uh understated Tom pipes up with his uh well, let's play it.

SPEAKER_03 19:05

Shown me names. You've shown me names. I love how he says it. It's like uh what's his name? Uh Liam Neeson in taking.

SPEAKER_04 19:13

Oh yeah, it's so intense, isn't it? It's like uh I will find you and I will hunt you down, and you've shown me names. It's so furious.

SPEAKER_03 19:22

It's so serious. It's that it's uh I don't know, it's amazing. That's my favourite line in the whole thing, though.

SPEAKER_04 19:28

So then, yeah, Darren's gone and got his case and he's running shown at him. Uh and again, I mean there's not an awful lot to say, is there? And I've picked this as my episode for this week. I mean picked a bad episode, yeah. It's not much more than that, is it? I mean, it's basically that that he's he's been showing people what apparently what transpires is that in the first series they could actually take in paper, pens, they could take in magazines. I think what he's been doing is what he said he'd been doing, more than actually writing down names and showing them, which he did, but he was also finding names in a magazine and sort of sitting next to somebody and just pointing quite subtly at a name in the hope that they would vote for the same person he was gonna vote for. Um but yeah, so so he gets taken to the diary room then. Um and again, a couple more iconic lines in there. Um You show me names. Yeah, so he goes in there, and what I love here is is you know, it's it's as if he's kind of committed war atrocities. He he goes in there, he's upset. He I mean he well, we'll play the kind of two two lines that I love that he says when he's in there.

SPEAKER_01 20:33

I've made a mistake. If you live by the sword, you die by the sword.

SPEAKER_04 20:37

Yeah, I love that. I love um you live by the sword, you die by the sword. Think about what he's done. His own names on a piece of paper.

SPEAKER_03 20:45

The the best thing about the entire scene, obviously, I'm going back a bit, is just how Darren looks. I've never I don't think I've ever looked at anybody like Darren's. What's interesting here is is it because it's obviously not a major incident realistically. Is it because he'd been cooked up for this long that this is such a huge thing for him?

SPEAKER_04 21:02

I suppose so, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 21:04

Yeah, I think I think that's what it is.

SPEAKER_04 21:05

But it but it was also big for us watching, wasn't it? I I mean true, yeah. I wasn't watching it thinking, oh, it's just names on a bit of paper. I was thinking, oh my god, I can't believe it. But yeah, I think a bit like the Terry Wogan expression. We'll perhaps make a bit of a running theme of this. That's that's this week's screen grab, is how Darren hate it. I mean, it looks like he's just he's just been told that Nick killed his children or something.

SPEAKER_03 21:27

I think he's he's killed his children and then he's pissed on him, and then he's hung them out outside Darren's house saying, Uh, you showed me names.

SPEAKER_04 21:37

Yeah, that that's the the exact look that God is hatred, isn't it? So yeah, we'll uh we'll put a screenshot of that. He's absolutely outrageous.

SPEAKER_03 21:44

Yeah, he's outraged. And then what the the funniest thing about after this as well is how Nick, who's playing this sort of cocky man sort of role all the way through it realise, just bursts into tears, doesn't he?

SPEAKER_04 21:55

There's a really good bit actually where he argues with Darren, isn't there? Where well I'll play that, we'll play that.

SPEAKER_01 22:01

I'm f off at the fact that these guys are thinking kind of like about Nick and how Nick's feeling. I'm not. You should have thought about it before you came in there. Good. Good. I'm good. I'm glad you said it. And everyone else knows that you've said that as well. Good. I'm glad you everyone can see you're selfish. Good. Good. I'm glad. I don't care what you think. Do you know what? I have to leave. Sick.

SPEAKER_04 22:25

Yeah, look again. I love the the the drama in another. I mean, I remember that being shocking. Think how tame an argument that is.

SPEAKER_03 22:34

Well, it's mad because nowadays, like they have to take Big Brother Affair, I think Big Brother 6, weren't it, or something, because they were like getting into a fight. But this was like the biggest thing we'd ever seen. I think it am I right in thinking with the first proper reality show, weren't it? So it's re it's the first time we've seen real people arguing, maybe? Like in this sort of environment, anyway.

SPEAKER_04 22:52

I suppose so, yeah. I mean, we'd had things like uh the the crews and uh airport and stuff, haven't we? So but we'd seen people kind of in their roles. I think this is the first time we've probably ever watched people doing nothing, really.

SPEAKER_02 23:05

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 23:06

And and it was big, I mean there were people who used to sit and watch this 24 hours a day. I don't know how, but that's that is you know it's crazy. That's what we're doing.

SPEAKER_03 23:14

One of my mates had like a double DVD of it, and he's thinking, why? Why why? Like, why have you done this? Like what you know what I mean? I just I I'd no idea how people could have sit through it all, but yeah, it it this this obviously he starts crying after this as well. Um fair play to Mel. She she goes up to him comforts him saying, Look, people forget about it, um, don't worry, because he thinks he's gonna be absolutely hated on the outside, which is interesting because this is the first big brother. He's no idea how he's been perceived, he's no idea how many people are watching, but he's he's proper scared, isn't he, Nick?

SPEAKER_04 23:45

Yeah, yeah. And I mean, like I say, they take him out almost like you know, secure it's almost like you're armed securely. I don't think they are armed, but it looks like it. And he has escorted out, um he was on the front page of all the papers, and but but you know, this this is the main theme that I want to take from this.

Was Nasty Nick Really Nasty

SPEAKER_04 24:03

But is he is he really nasty? You know, he he got branded nasty nick by all the tabloids.

SPEAKER_03 24:09

Darren calls him sick.

SPEAKER_04 24:12

Yeah, you are sick. I mean he's try to bend the rules. Apparently, they they all got the house got a written warning two weeks before, all of them, for discussing nominations. So, you know, I I don't know, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 24:26

I mean, like you say Mel and Tom for me are the only two people who come out of this who seem to have slogan their sanity to a degree. Mel's comforting him saying it don't matter. She's not as bothered as the others, the others are furious, like even the the null Anna, she's not happy. Tom obviously goes in and said, You showed me Tom goes into he's the other there's only two of them who go into comfort him when he's crying. Mel and Tom, then Darren goes in and kicks off at him. But Tom goes in and just says, Don't worry about it. Don't I don't want to fuss, don't worry about it. You know, if you want me to go, I'll go. I don't mind. If you want to kill me on your way out, do that fine. Yeah, he he's the only one who's like those two seem to be the only ones who've kept their heads. The rest of them are so outraged about something that it's a game.

SPEAKER_04 25:09

I know, yeah. And well, Tom actually says to him, you know, don't make excuses, just hold your hands up. He said they want they'll see it as arrogant if you start making excuses. And uh he comes out and makes excuses, doesn't he?

SPEAKER_03 25:19

Yeah, comes out and makes excuses straight away.

SPEAKER_04 25:22

He said he was from a big family, he went to private school, and he was kind of basic. I mean, in the nutshell is that he he basically has kind of been brought up to win and he wanted to win, and this is how we tried to do it.

SPEAKER_03 25:35

If he were that worried about the public, we're gonna think this camera I'll come on to something else, actually. This was a good little uh segue into something else, but he could never win because he can only ever come third. Because he alright, he didn't get nominated all the way through. He knows the public aren't gonna like him because he's cheated. But this comes on to my other point is why was he only kicked out when Big Brother saw him cheat? Uh sorry, when uh Craig Craig and uh Tom and Darren found out he were cheating. Big brother knew he were cheating, his camera's all over the place.

unknown 26:03

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 26:04

So why did they kick him out before?

SPEAKER_04 26:05

I don't understand. They left it to Chief Inspector Craig, didn't they, to to solve the crime, to bring him out, highlight what he'd been doing. I mean, it made for very good television, but why Big Brother couldn't have spoken to him before this moment? He's been watched literally 24 hours a day, he's been watched. How how does it how have they not seen it?

SPEAKER_03 26:23

Well Big Brother actually say we didn't see you uh with the pens. Absolute nonsense. There's about five billion cameras in there.

SPEAKER_04 26:31

Well, when they get rid of him, they actually say to him, We didn't realise you had pens and paper. I mean, what how how has that not been seen?

SPEAKER_03 26:38

I don't believe I think big brother's trying to c uh cover their own back there.

SPEAKER_04 26:42

Is this another stitch up? I think last week we thought the BBC stitched up Darz Samson, didn't we? Do are we saying Channel 4 stitched up Nick Bateman?

SPEAKER_03 26:49

Yeah, I think Big Brother could have knocked that on the head straight away by getting Nick in saying, look, you've shown Tom names. You've shown him names uh you've you've got pens on you. This is a warning, get out of my sight, Nick. Uh but yeah, obviously they didn't let it carry on, probably for for good reason, obviously, because we got to this crescendo of it. But you know, it they must have known he were cheating. I'm not having when big brothers say we didn't know you were had pens and paper, absolute nonsense.

SPEAKER_04 27:19

Yeah, I agree. And I think like I say, it's it's not we're not gonna go into too much more with this

Did Production Let It Run

SPEAKER_04 27:24

one. I think one thing I will say is I know with the Daz Sampson episode we said, you know, you must go back and watch this. I I'd say don't bother with any of Big Brother because this particular moment is great, and it was very iconic if you were there.

SPEAKER_03 27:36

It's more of an iconic moment than a good moment. It's not a good moment. It's like when you watch old England football games and you think that were an amazing match because it went to penalties. I don't know. We we beat Spain in Euro 96, England, and everyone's going to remember that pen. It was an awful game when they replayed all the Euro games on ITV. Yeah, absolutely terrible game, but an iconic moment when PS goes after it.

SPEAKER_04 27:57

And like you say, I think you know what? I I don't think we could have done it without mentioning Big Brother personally, because I I thought it was such a big moment at the time, but you know what? Yeah, don't bother with it, just forget, forget it.

SPEAKER_03 28:10

Interesting though, that this like I said, they were getting three million viewers a week. This incident got them five million viewers, then they kept at that till the final week which went up to six. It'd have been interesting. If nothing had happened, would that have been the end of Big Brother straight off?

SPEAKER_04 28:24

Yeah, I don't know. I mean, I suppose it was on quite late, three million is probably still a good amount, and there were people watching it 24 hours, but I think what's interesting is Big Brother have now tried to orchestrate these kind of moments. Whereas at the time, what was brilliant is it just happened, it was very natural. So, yeah, a really iconic bit of TV from our memories.

SPEAKER_03 28:45

Yeah, I think that's what I'll say about Big Brother that this Big Brother series is as as you rightly said, don't go back and watch it. I will say it's the purest Big Brother, no one's playing it to be famous, no one it were organic, you know. The Big Brother didn't try and cause tension like they do now. It was just unbelievably boring in hindsight.

Iconic TV And Craig’s Legacy

SPEAKER_04 29:03

Yeah, and we'll we'll wrap up the Big Brother just by just by saying, if anybody is interested, uh Craig Phillips, the guy who called him out, the Scouser, he actually won this series. And what he did that was really impressive is he actually donated it to I think it was was it his family member? It was uh a child that needed to be.

SPEAKER_03 29:27

And he raised over £40,000 for that as well. And he didn't tell anyone all the way through the series that he was gonna do this, this is why we're doing it. So fair play to him, you know.

SPEAKER_04 29:36

I think he just showed Tom, didn't he? Uh you showed me your plan.

SPEAKER_03 29:40

You showed yeah, Tom I Tom at the end said, You showed me your plans what you were gonna do. Uh no, he didn't say that, no, but uh yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 29:49

So Craig, Craig kind of who who actually kind of dealt with that situation very well. I thought he ended up winning, so yeah, uh fair play.

SPEAKER_05 29:56

Shory. Shory.

SPEAKER_03 30:01

It's interesting actually, as you've been going through this, obviously, this is your choice, and and I remember it as a big moment as well. Do you sort of regret choosing Big Brother in hindsight?

SPEAKER_04 30:10

Yeah, I do, yeah. Um I shouldn't have done it. Uh now, yeah, I kind of I th I sort of picked the moment and and we'd already said last week, haven't we, that that was going to be episode four. Uh so I kind of felt tied to it. Because actually, I was that as I was watching it, I still think this is a this is an iconic moment, the nasty nick thing, and I still don't think he's nasty.

SPEAKER_03 30:33

But yeah, that's we should change the the name of this podcast to stitch up, actually. Richard Maidley probably got stitched up, don't he? People, you know, by me mainly, by doing those top four quotes. Yeah, yeah. So yeah, uh the blue car got uh red car got stitched up.

SPEAKER_04 30:51

So Richard Maidley's stitch-ups.

SPEAKER_03 30:53

Yeah, Richard Maidley and his stitch-ups, yeah. So yeah, anyway, carry on, sorry.

SPEAKER_04 30:57

Uh but yeah, no, you're right. I I wouldn't I mean like I say, hopefully, people have enjoyed just us focusing in on that one little moment. But yeah, the whole series was quite dull.

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