The Breakfast Cereal World Cup

A breakfast bowl shouldn’t feel like a sporting rivalry, yet here we are. We take the World Cup format and use it for something far more personal: a full knockout tournament to crown the greatest UK childhood breakfast cereal, with only pre-2000 contenders allowed and no “modern taste” revisionism to save the sensible options.

Press play, pick your side, then tell us what we got wrong. Subscribe, share with a mate who’ll argue, and leave a review so more people can join the cereal World Cup debate.

Transcript

Welcome And Tournament Rules

SPEAKER_01 0:00

Hello and welcome to the UK nostalgia podcast. Who remembers? In this topical episode, we are doing a World Cup, but it's a World Cup of breakfast cereals.

SPEAKER_00 0:51

Yes, so we this is obviously still sticky with the World Cup theme, but we didn't want to do I mean I didn't realise link, you know. I mean with the Well the World Cup goes on for about it goes on for about three months, this World Cup, and I thought we can't keep having like we can't have seven football episodes, realistically. I think that'd be both that that would just become a football podcast, and you can get enough of them. Uh there's there's loads out there. Yeah, some makes it lesser podcast than us, but you know, there's a lot of people doing football content. Um so we thought we'll stick with the we'll try and stick with the theme of a World Cup, but mix it up a little bit. And this is childhood serials, and I want to make that distinction because Well, I I I want to check the rules on this before we go through the groups because we're doing this live, like sometimes we've yeah, we've sort of given ourselves a bit of a nod as to where we might go.

SPEAKER_01 1:36

This is gonna be absolutely live voting. And is this what I would rather eat now, or is this like what I remember as being the best from my childhood? I just want to clarify that bit.

SPEAKER_00 1:48

I think it should be childhood because it's a nostalgia podcast. Because I I mean I love Grenoble. The only trouble is though, I know we made another not me when I was 10. That's yeah, but I think you can remember that. Well, I think you've I think I can remember. We've proved many times that we can go back, though, haven't we? Done that, go back into our childhood film.

SPEAKER_01 2:04

We've proved we've got the credentials to do this, haven't we?

SPEAKER_00 2:06

Yeah, we've got the credentials to do it. Little no little no, sorry, little uh thing before we start, this is a 32 team World Cup because this is a nostalgia. It's nostalgia podcast, and I don't think I don't know, I can't think of 64 different stables to be honest. Well, yeah, yeah. Uh these all had to come out at least before the year 2000. That's what we've sort of judged this at.

SPEAKER_01 2:28

And the top two in each group moves on. There's none of this like 11 of the 12 teams and four of the five fourth places and all that.

SPEAKER_00 2:36

Cornflakes is on a minus one goal difference, or it needs yeah, none of that shit. Fefer, I've not been corrupted in this decision making process. Obviously, smash a like and all that, but let us know your serials. I I mean we we've got a lot of uh stick of the 80s cartoons. We will do a listener's feedback uh because we've got a lot of comments on that.

SPEAKER_01 2:54

Um I mean, I do think, yeah, we'll we'll cover it in more detail. I I do think in hindsight, Henry's cat was a bit of a self-indulgent child.

SPEAKER_00 3:01

Wild card.

SPEAKER_01 3:03

Yeah. But uh but at the same time, uh, this this might be another controversial one because obviously everyone is we we just so you know if you're listening, and I hope you know this anyway, but just to remind you, we don't know what you liked as kids, we only know what we liked as kids. Yeah, so you have to factor that in before you start slagging us off.

SPEAKER_00 3:20

How are we gonna do this? Is we've we've already done the draw, we put it into a random simulator.

SPEAKER_01 3:26

Put the groups in front of me now, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 3:27

The groups are in front of me, yeah. I think we should do it like this, Liam. You let's say you have a group A, um, and then you get the deciding two to go through in that, and then I'll do it. Oh, really? Wow, that's I think that's controversial.

SPEAKER_01 3:37

So yeah, because I could I could eliminate one of your favourites.

SPEAKER_00 3:42

Do you do you really want do you want that power in my hands and in your Yeah, I think I think in the group stages we should do that because otherwise we could be I don't want to blank, I I don't want to stay in the group stages. If something's an obvious one to go through on as well, we will talk about it later because there's no point of talking about something that we know is gonna get for, and then Ab will have nothing to talk about. So we might sort of dwell a little bit more in these group stages on the ones that don't get through.

SPEAKER_01 4:04

But if we do want to do like a sort of half an hour monologue on one of them, we will get travelling blade back involved, don't we?

SPEAKER_00 4:11

Yeah, definitely.

SPEAKER_01 4:14

Uh the World Cup ones have gone down well.

SPEAKER_00 4:16

Yeah, right.

Group A And B Selections

SPEAKER_00 4:17

Do you want to group A, Liam? Read out the four the four teams, the four serials, and then uh we'll have a debate.

SPEAKER_01 4:22

So the four the four teams, the four cereals we have in group A are cocoa pops, fruit and fibre, shreddies, and banana bubbles. And we so I get a deciding vowel, but we have to decide the top two from the group. We're not gonna go like match by match, are we? We're just gonna choose the top two. No, just knockout stages. We might we might do more detail, but for now we're just picking top two. Is that right?

SPEAKER_00 4:43

Yeah, I think this is an obvious one personally.

SPEAKER_01 4:45

Yeah, I mean, I think there's there's one for me that tops the group quite clearly, which is Coco Pops. And I think for me, Shreddis is a is a comfortable number two. I think fruit and fibre, not as a kid, kids don't like fruit and fibre.

SPEAKER_00 4:58

Fruit and fibre, I think that was the the cereal that signaled that your parents are giving up buying fun cereal. Do you know what I mean?

SPEAKER_01 5:05

Or like your grandparents have admitted that they're having sort of problems with the digestive systems and they needed to sort of eat things like that.

SPEAKER_00 5:12

Yeah, I I mean I I like it now, don't get me wrong, I like it now, but at the time.

SPEAKER_01 5:16

But cocoa pops and shreddies, I think, are the comfortable top two in that group.

SPEAKER_00 5:20

Yeah, um, yeah, I agree. I I agree. Banana bubbles people might not know. Uh, it's a really rare cereal from the early 90s. And uh I was looking at this just to make sure it did come out when we, you know, we were still eating cereal. Um and right original boxes now are on sale on eBay for over £100, like £125 quid for another. What banana bulls? Yeah, for an original ball, yeah, yeah. Incredible.

SPEAKER_01 5:41

Imagine someone listening to this now, like glancing at their cupboard and seeing like 20 of those boxes in there. Yeah, pounds of big things.

SPEAKER_00 5:47

I mean it's a mad thing to keep because I mean they didn't know it were gonna go discontinued. Obviously, it's it's been discontinued.

SPEAKER_01 5:52

This is where it pays off to be a hoarder.

SPEAKER_00 5:54

Yeah, I would I'll get I'll let you have that deciding vote. We'll get into it later. I'd have probably put Shreddis top, but that's maybe something to get on to in the later rounds. Yeah. Group B, we've got golden nuggets, cornflakes, ricicles, and start. I think this is a tougher group, this one. Hmm, I agree. Which one's what are you thinking, so far?

SPEAKER_01 6:13

I mean, cornflakes has to go through. Although I will caveat that by saying as a kid, I only like cornflakes with a lot of sugar sprinkled on them. So if we're sort of saying out of the box, I I'm struggling a little bit more with it. But I I did like cornflakes, but only because I could put a lot of sugar on them.

SPEAKER_00 6:29

I think the two to go through is probably cornflakes and ricicles. Um I've asked a couple of people who I work with what's your favourite from the youth. And ricicles is a very strong favourite of a few people. If you if we're going to put it through, I don't want to go into it right now.

SPEAKER_01 6:42

So ricicles, you know, we haven't had extensive debates about this, but I I did ask you what what stiff to ricles and rice krispies. And ricicles were a sugared rice crispy.

SPEAKER_00 6:54

Yeah, basically. The most it's been discontinued again because there's too much sugar in it.

SPEAKER_01 6:59

So I'm not sure, but I I mean I I I could make a case for golden nuggets and cornflakes. I think golden nuggets are much more recent. They're not even something that I necessarily love, but I think I think both my kids they both like golden nuggets. So I could make the case for that, but I certainly don't disagree. Ricycles seem a little bit more iconic, I think.

SPEAKER_00 7:19

And Star, obviously, that were marketed as a sports cereal, if you remember. Um and Steve Cran used to do the adverts.

SPEAKER_01 7:25

I think it Yeah, just had pictures of sort of sports stuff on the box, but it was just a normal cereal, isn't it?

SPEAKER_00 7:30

Yeah, they were just like a sugary cereal. I think they used to do this quite a lot on cereals. They still do to a degree, like great for iron and stuff like that, and you know, fortified cereal. And I think like all the the start adverts were all like, You've got a marathon today, get yourself a a nice ball of start before. Do you know what I mean?

SPEAKER_01 7:46

Like did Star ever feature did they ever feature in a um what do you call the sort of multi-packs that I think they will have back in the day, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 7:56

I'd like to mention them actually. I'd I would like to bring that up because I think we've debate. I think Jane Stacey messaged in about this, and they seem to taste nicer in those multi-packs every serial, I think. Definitely, yeah. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, I don't think it's because you generally took them on holiday, so you're you're kind of in a better mood, right?

SPEAKER_01 8:12

I I think of those of being in a caravan on holiday, having a like a multi-pack serial thing.

SPEAKER_00 8:17

It's interesting as well, if you can think back to that, it might help us in the later rounds. That what were the ones that you used to leave to last and what were the ones you you cracked out straight away. So but yeah, Cold Lake's number one, Ricycle's number two, both safely through to the next round. Liam, what's group C?

Group C And D Nostalgia Picks

SPEAKER_01 8:32

Group C, we've got Honey Nut Loops, Lucky Charms, Sultana Brand, and Wheatabix. So as a kid, straight away I'm rolling out Sultana Brand, bottom of the group. Yeah. Yeah. Now this is again, this is I wouldn't say group of death in terms of serial, but but this is putting up loops, lucky charms, and wheatabix. I think I think that's tough. I think we're we're losing a big hitter there. Because I think I putting up loops and lucky charms if you're offering them to a kid, they are better. But I also think on a winter day, like sometimes you just have like warmed up milk on Wheater Beaks with some sugar on it. To me, that that was a great winter breakfast. That I mean I'd be interested on your sort of debate on that. I'm I'm thinking potentially, and some might not like this, lucky charms might drop out.

SPEAKER_00 9:23

Yeah, I that's genuinely what I would have gone for. Lucky charms weren't actually sold in Britain for ages. Um they were like an American thing, but then they came from imports. And I don't know if you do they still sell them now, I'm not sure. I don't know.

SPEAKER_01 9:34

They're a bit of a novelty thing, weren't they? I remember like really sort of taking my mum to get them and actually not finding them as good as I wanted them to be. No, I don't like them. I think that goes through. And then I think it's uh I know some people might say Wheaterbix are boring, they are, but but you could do a lot with Wheatabicks.

SPEAKER_00 9:53

Yeah. And it's British as well. British. Wheatabix. Uh invented in 1930, Wheaterbix. I've just had a quick look. Imagine if that's what yeah, I think so. I'll I'll let you decide but what's going through first. Honey not loops first.

SPEAKER_01 10:06

Honey Not Loops tops a table, Wheaterbix is a strong second. Although I think I think that there may well be people disappointed to see Lucky Charms go so early, but I think I thought you'd have had it up now. This is not you know, this is you know Lucky Charms were thinking already, weren't they?

SPEAKER_00 10:23

Quarter final, semi-final, final, you know. It's got two cocktails. Group D, we've got crunching up cornflakes, Cheerios, porridge, and Fruit Loops, which were the last one to get uh qu to qualify for this, because we we only had 31 for ages and we couldn't think of another one. And then you um yeah, you it sparked a memory in you, didn't it? Fruit loops.

SPEAKER_01 10:43

Yeah, although interestingly, uh I mean it's it's your call, this group, but I I don't think Fruit Loops tops it purely because we couldn't think of it for ages. Um something a bit different. Uh I I think porridge just being in as porridge, presumably that's like porridge oats. Are we talking here? Because we have got a different kind of porridge further on, haven't we?

SPEAKER_00 11:03

Well, yeah, this has been eaten in some form, and it's for thousands of years, and it's obviously this is just sort of porridge. In fact, porridge has to go out sorry, porridge has to go out of the group stage because it's from Scotland, isn't it? So and obviously they yeah, they never get out of the group stage. Don't come home to the city. They might do this year, to be fair. Maybe as this goes out, they've already been. Yeah, so yeah. But before Breakfast Cereal existed, basically, this this was the breakfast, weren't it, for many people in Britain. But yeah, but I think I never liked it.

SPEAKER_01 11:36

We'll get to a little bit later on. There's a there's a version of this that's far more accessible to children. I I think Porridge has just Porridge oaks out of the bag for me is not there. So the the other three though, um No, in fact, no, I still think Fruit Loops drops away. I for me, she'll call Crunchy Nut and Cheerios. That's what I've gone for.

SPEAKER_00 11:56

Yeah, I'm putting my one-two in before you start your thing, and that's what I've gone for, Crunchy Nut and Cheerio. So they're through from group D. Right, Group E.

Group E And F Sugar Heavyweights

SPEAKER_00 12:06

The group of sugar, I've called this.

SPEAKER_01 12:08

Yeah, I I mean I I actually think if if you had some of these, you might find it tough, but I think for me this is quite an easy one. But anyway, so Group E, we've got Frosties, we've got lion cereal, we've got trio cereal and shredded wheat.

SPEAKER_00 12:22

Frosty's lion cereal and trio cereal there are such high sugar.

SPEAKER_01 12:27

More sugar in those per gram than actual sugar, I think. Yeah. So I mean, Frosty's has to go through. I don't think there's any debate. Frost Frosty's surely I mean, this is one of the pre-tournament favourites, I would I would say.

SPEAKER_00 12:42

Yeah, I think this is yeah, this is one of the first ones I thought of when we were getting the list together.

SPEAKER_01 12:45

For me, lion cereal and trio cereal, I kind of really like the sound of, but I just don't know them. I I I don't ever remember seeing them or eating them.

SPEAKER_02 12:55

I don't know if I'm not lion cereal.

SPEAKER_01 13:04

I reckon you could swap the bags in those two boxes and no one unless there's some sort of gimmicky, like one's got like little lions in it or something. I don't know.

SPEAKER_00 13:12

I think they're the two in the entire list, the least lot at least pretending to be healthy. The lion and trio cereal, like no, it's just like look, this is just full of sugar. Like, if you that we're not gonna, you know, we're not gonna get an Olympians to do this. Obviously, the trio cereal um was launched off the back of the biscuit bars. Remember the trio, trio, and I only I I've got to do a bit of research into this, but the reason uh it went under is because the the sales of um trio obviously went under, you know, the biscuit, and you don't get them anymore, do you? Trios.

SPEAKER_01 13:44

What went wrong with trios?

SPEAKER_00 13:45

I don't know, but you just lost your biscuit bar declined in sales. I don't know why. I used to love trios, you can still get a penguin and you can't get a trio. Oh, it's it's ridiculous, isn't it? Scandalous. Scandalous. So we've frosty's the top, and now you're having shredded shredded wheat, shall I say? Second?

SPEAKER_01 14:01

Well, I mean, it's I I think that's your call, isn't it? Or is that mine?

SPEAKER_00 14:05

That's your call, sure call. I've just loved it.

SPEAKER_01 14:06

I'm going shredded wheat. Again, shredded wheat, it's a bit dull, but you can spice it up to make it better. I think it's uh Yeah, I'm I'm comfortable with losing lion and trio. I think they're both a bit gimmicky, never actually had them.

SPEAKER_00 14:19

So into group F. Fairly s I think there's two obvious ones here, but Golden Graham's, Reddy Break, Corn Pops, and Mewsley.

SPEAKER_01 14:27

I think ready break for me and when I said there's a version of porridge, this was like a really kind of easy to do. So so I I think Reddy Break for me is the winner. Um I don't think I know corn pops too well. I like corn pops.

SPEAKER_00 14:44

They used to call them sugar pops as well. They used to call them sugar pops as well.

SPEAKER_01 14:48

No, no, no, they're coming up later, don't you worry about that, mate.

SPEAKER_00 14:51

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 14:52

I don't know corn pops then. Uh I mean Muesley's like an old person sort of thing. I'm not not even. So for me it's Freddie Beck and Grovin Graham's.

SPEAKER_00 15:00

Um Can I choke you in Muesley? Um but but they promoted Muesley in the 70s and 80s, should I say, about uh, you know, like it's the healthy version of a cereal. It doesn't anymore, but back back then it had more sugar in it than Frosty's.

SPEAKER_01 15:14

Wow.

SPEAKER_00 15:15

Yeah. So it's only gonna be. It was invented as hospital food by a Swiss doctor. Um so everyone thought it were healthy because of those reasons, but it actually had more sugar in it than Frosty's.

SPEAKER_01 15:29

I'm not, I mean, I'm I'm not here to to question you.

SPEAKER_00 15:32

I I'm not sure that's true, but well, that's what I've that's what I've researched. So you can start with that. I've tried to get trivia in in in in all of these.

SPEAKER_01 15:39

But I but I think like muesley is not a brand, is it? So I I don't think that's no, but yeah.

SPEAKER_00 15:44

No, I know what you mean.

SPEAKER_01 15:45

Yeah. You think all Muesley has more sugar than Coca-Cola?

SPEAKER_00 15:50

No, well, not all su no, but I think you know And for the makers of Newsley, you are saying that factually worse for you. Not now, not now, not now. I'm saying in the 80s. That's what look, I don't I I you know the sort of research we do with. Golden approved sits with you. Right. Well, it's going out anyway, because it's not very nice, I don't think, Newsley. Um I'm gonna override you though, Liam. I'm gonna put Golden Graham's top because that was one of my favourites as a kid. Uh Golden Graham's. And yeah, and Sugar Pop, sorry, corn pops and muesley are going home early. Group G,

Group G And H Final Qualifiers

SPEAKER_00 16:24

Liam.

SPEAKER_01 16:24

Group G, Sugarpuffs, All Brand, Weito's, Special K. So I think it's easy trying to sort of think back to being a kid. I I think this is quite easy. I think with a more modern, I'm a I'm a I'm a modern man these days. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Special K. I can make a I can make a case for it. But I think thinking back to me as a young chap, sugarpuffs and weitoes, it's an eat it's a done deal.

SPEAKER_00 16:47

Sugar pups one, we toes two, I don't think there's much more to say about that, really. All brand, all brand's tagline was um the serial that can change your life in a week. How? Like, how's that how does that even work? Um yeah, but I think I I think this is one of the clearest. This is like if you get drawn in, certainly if you get drawn in sugar puffs' group, you you're not gonna be happy. Do you know when the draw comes out and they're all psyched, oh they're the ones who want us. Yeah, yeah, absolutely. Uh Group H, the final group, uh Rice Krispies, brand flakes, springle sprangles, and quak quake, Quaker oats. What are we thinking, Liam?

SPEAKER_01 17:30

I mean Rice Krispies, top easily done. I don't really know sprinkle sprangles.

SPEAKER_00 17:37

It were really I don't think I had these. I I I've seen the packet, but I don't I don't think I've had them before.

SPEAKER_01 17:44

Kind of it seems hard to rule them out because I don't I don't really know what they are, but I I can't I can't sort of imagine me remembering enjoying them as a kid because I don't think I had them as a kid.

SPEAKER_00 17:57

So I think this is a bit it's a bit of a dull group all round this because Quaker Oats I mean Quaker Oats is just another version of Porridge, isn't it? Yeah, they're just boring though, aren't they? Like it's got that bloke on it, on it, you know, with a hat on.

SPEAKER_01 18:09

I thought it was a guy doing like Highland Games, Quaker Oats.

SPEAKER_00 18:12

Oh, is that Quaker O who's the man with the heart?

SPEAKER_01 18:15

Um I don't know.

SPEAKER_00 18:19

What do you mean? He's got like a like a uh he's got a hat on on the on the on the cover.

SPEAKER_01 18:25

You know what I mean? I like how like I tried to get it to be more specific and you just repeat it, it's a man with a heart.

SPEAKER_00 18:29

Come on!

SPEAKER_01 18:30

He's got a might be the man with a heart. I'm thinking like of uh a guy in a kilt and a vest doing some sort of highland activities. Maybe that's not Quaker Oaks, I don't know.

SPEAKER_00 18:40

No, yeah, well anyway, it's going on, I think. It's my my decision, my own decisions.

SPEAKER_01 18:46

I mean, I'd be interested there, because I I think I think really it's probably Rice Krispies and Quaker Oaks, but I think I I'm not fighting the case strongly for Quaker Oaks. If if there's something if Sprinkle Sprangles Spangles, is it? Sprinkle Spangles I mean I don't think Bram Flakes can go through. I think it amazes me all bran and bram flakes are different things actually.

SPEAKER_00 19:08

I'm gonna put bran flakes through. As a kid, I used to love hot bram flakes, not hot bran flakes, hot pretty oven. Boiled milk, uh hot milk on your brand flakes. What are you talking about? Boil yeah, you know what I mean. Whatever. Yeah, it's it's hot where we're we are. Um I I used to I used to love it. That you're on about wheaty bits as your winter food. That might have been my winter food. Um I'm gonna add against Julie. I'm gonna put it through his top brand flakes. Is there any sort of sweetener with it? Because it is it not like I don't think you do. I don't think I I don't think you really do, to be honest.

SPEAKER_01 19:44

I think it's one of them like it's like a horse food in it. It's like one of them that's good for you, but it doesn't taste good.

SPEAKER_00 19:48

Well, I I'm that it's going through it.

SPEAKER_01 19:50

It's between all bran and bran flakes.

SPEAKER_00 19:53

Um all bran is it's got more bran in it, genuinely. That that that's what they say. Genuinely it has got more bran in it. It says it's got more bran in it.

SPEAKER_01 20:01

It's the brand content, is it?

SPEAKER_00 20:02

Yeah, yeah, it's the brand content you've got to be watching out for.

SPEAKER_01 20:04

So does one of them have like fruit and like nut flakes and stuff in it?

SPEAKER_00 20:09

No, no, no, no, no. No, brand flakes have got I see it. But it is just all about the brand then. It is all the br it's all about the brand, but it's better brand than all brand, I think. I think all brand's got too much bran. You can't you've sometimes you can have too much brand, can't you? I mean you've made a strong case, yeah. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. So that goes through. So we are now into the second round.

SPEAKER_01 20:32

Before

Last 16 Bracket And Tiebreakers

SPEAKER_01 20:33

we get into each match, do you just want to reel off the matches? What are we last last 16 now?

SPEAKER_00 20:38

Last 16. So we've got cocoa pots versus wheatabics, honey nut loops versus shreddies, cornflakes versus cheerios, crunchy nut cornflakes versus richicles, frosties versus wheat o's, sugar pus versus shredded wheat, golden grains versus rice crispies, and bram flakes versus ready break. They are all fucking good. I think we have literally like we have this is this is one of the best World Cups ever where all the big boys have gone through.

SPEAKER_01 21:01

Yeah, I suppose that's the beauty of just picking them off a list and not actually letting them you don't have to play each other.

SPEAKER_00 21:07

Well, actually, just before we get into this now, because we're getting to the nitty-gritty, eh? If we can't decide, we're gonna go, aren't we, on what the most memorable adverts were and what the most memorable mascot was. Like that's gonna be like sort of the decider, innit?

SPEAKER_01 21:19

Yeah, I'm I'm even as as you say that it doesn't make much sense to me. I know we've kind of agreed on that, but we'll sort of we'll see how it works out. If if we genuinely can't come to an agreement, we've got kind of other steps we can go to, but we'll we'll play it as it happens. So,

Cocoa Pops Vs Weetabix Clash

SPEAKER_01 21:35

first of the last 16 matches, Coco Pop's the Wheatabicks.

SPEAKER_00 21:41

I mean I think Coco Coco Pops is a strong favourite. Um a lot of people said it, but I like Wheatabicks, man. I like my Wheatabicks.

SPEAKER_01 21:50

I I like Wheatabicks. I as a sort of older kid, I I liked Wheatabicks. I think it it kind of allowed you to start think start to sort of think in your being a bit healthier as well, I think, as a st I mean still still I don't know what you classify.

SPEAKER_00 22:05

Do you think it'd be like a hard I think it were an hard man serial compared to like local hardmen aren't we? So we're yeah absolutely wants to to comment on it. We're in the top 50 people in our estate of all these people definitely so top 50 people who think they're local hard men yeah definitely but I think Wheaterbeck because you remember the advert have you had your Wheaterpicks you fucking kidding. Yeah so I mean I mean sort of towards the end of childhood like I don't know when you stop being a child but when when I started going to the gym and and kinda I remember thinking like I've had Wheat Beaks in the morning that's a that's a good start though like I I don't know I'm I'm sort of thinking more of me as a 10 year old in which case it's very easy it's cocoa pops I don't think I think I I don't I never really like cocoa pops that much I thought they were better alternative than cocoa pops but I I yeah really absolutely sickened bowl of cocoa pops in the morning kind of felt like you were being allowed a a a dessert almost for your breakfast what's got the best uh jingle or the best tag lad I'd rather have a bowl of cocoa pops or have you had your Wheaty bicks yeah fucking Wheat of bicks you fucking biggs can you remember the old man bloke as well doing the Wheat of Bicks you know the uh the Wheat of Bix man he had like shades on you remember him no I think of Ray Winston saying it obviously I know it weren't him but I imagine him saying have you had your fucking Wheat of it if you got your Wheat of Bicks what Wheat it's fucking Wheater Bix can you imagine that amazing wouldn't it should have marketed it like that shouldn't they yeah they did sponsor wrestling in on RTV the rest the other wrestling on RTV used to um yeah used to sponsor that I mean it sounds like you're leaning towards Wheat of I am but for me I'm I'm Coco Pops so I think we're gonna kind of have to see where we go to I mean in terms of mascot what did did WheatBix even have a mascot or is is this the shades man you're talking about the shades man who I again like but if you can't remember him then he obviously hasn't like made a mascot I mean you must remember the Coco Pops monkey. Oh yeah unbelievable and I remember it were a bit annoying. Alright man he was just doing his thing weren't he just like I mean he were a bit too I don't know he were a bit too I he were a bit sure of himself I thought I think he knew he was a good thing.

SPEAKER_01 24:18

I don't I don't think he were like it weren't embarrassed to sort of what what's the word? He sort of owned it and he he knew he'd got a top product and he were happy to stand behind it. I mean I Wheatabix is is iconic I don't want to see it go.

SPEAKER_00 24:35

I I I just fair I'm I'll level with you now like I I'm struggling I'm struggling as we stand for me and I shouldn't necessarily have this this sort of mindset on but I'm struggling to see past cocoa pops and in this match I just can't see Wheatabix getting rid of it but fair enough we'll we'll put it through we'll put it through and if it's a penalty shootout what what do we do do we do a a toy a toy but I I think maybe the the most memorable um adverts and stuff and realistically the most memorable advert is the cocoa pops advert. I yeah I mean I'll it makes the milk go chocolatey too pops are he from London he makes the milk go chocolate sounds like makes your fucking milk chocolatey as well I they should have swapped some I'm sure David Alburn does it sounds proper like him yeah come on my park life I can imagine him doing that easily milk to turn chocolate might I think cow cow pops then I I don't actually but I do think it makes more sense for cows I think as a kid I think if if we're moving into young adult adult that then I think it's a much tougher debate I think I think even now I think if you ask any 10 year old I don't think there's much debate I think cow pops so what you're saying is you'd rather have a bowl of cow cow pops oh yeah not so I should have had that yeah oh yeah oh yeah what's interesting though is I was racking my brain trying to think of that and until you said it I couldn't think

Shreddies Advance Through The Chaos

SPEAKER_00 26:01

of it. So that's not great because I well by the way we don't know loads of research anyway but one of the reasons we've done very little research into this or I have anyway is because I I I think the remembering when it goes to the later rounds is going to be like quite a deal breaker. And that is the reason we haven't done extensive research is that is the only reason why we've not done extensive research but yeah coca pots goes through then Liam I mean I'm happy with that yeah and the next one is honey nut loops versus shreddies I loved Shreddies and I think this was one of my favourites actually shreddies as a kid I don't know why because I remember having it not so long ago and I was thinking I was like really excited going I used to love I think I've probably had shreddies more than anything else even you know like the cocoa ones as well but as a I don't know as an adult I didn't really hear it. I never Hunting Up loops were alright but I think Shreddies for me it's got more about it. So I I personally would go hunting up loops but I I I accept I think Shreddy's probably should be the one to go through I like Shreddies I know like when I went round to sort of mate's house and stuff Shreddies were kind of really prominent I I think of Shreddies as having uh like a professor on the box is that right like no we'll get on to him later but he's got the wrong cereal he's not shreddies what was Shreddy's maybe you get yeah uh shreddy's it were like sort of there were square things. You said they were knitted by Nan I know they were I mean what were they sort of the tagline thing well it's not really a character they said that Nan's knitted it you know because it looks square and it looks like a knitted sort of thing. That was the sort of thing put any off here mate.

SPEAKER_01 27:35

We'll put it through the B, wasn't it uh yeah I don't think there were much about that it would just it were just called sugary but I yeah I'm I'm not saying I think Shreddy's more iconic although what's sort of what's phased me is that I thought they were the the the professor and they weren't so there's no weren't the professor misrepresentation there Shreddy's but in unconvincing fashion a penalty should be actually though we've not sort of split Shreddies out in the same way that Rice Krispies and cocoa pops are effectively the same thing but different they are but they're different produ they're different uh makers and stuff so you it's not they're not sort of cocoa pops I've just remembered what the professor is as well by the way but okay uh yeah no no I'm happy with that shred Shreddies moves through yep Shreddies so next one Liam Cornflakes v Cheerios uh this is an old time these are the two old old stages aren't they yeah I I I don't I I don't want to sort of downplay it. I think it's an easy win for cornflakes but not because I necessarily have a huge problem with with Cheerios I just think they're a bit gimmicky like there was there was sort of one was bran and one was wheat or something like that and one was corn or something but they were just they were alright.

SPEAKER_00 28:48

They claimed that they could lower cholesterol by four percent in six weeks and it was actually uh yeah they had to they were forced to change the packaging because the FDA ruled it was an unimproved uh unapproved medical claim amazing that because they all do that cereals with every burger get a $20 check checks will not be on it cholesterol will be high we'll be items you may have 4% yeah ridiculous you can't believe you used to be able to get away with that uh eggy tells a story once where he'd been on a night out with um his mates and the only thing they had left in the the house the night after was uh Cheerios and they were really like hung over you start calling him Depressio's uh look you referred to Eggie there by the way like one of our mates is like do you know like almost like a Barry Cryer or something like that.

SPEAKER_01 29:34

Eggie tells a story.

SPEAKER_00 29:35

Yeah if he's got an anecdote he often tells you Eggie tell well he's got this story hasn't he can imagine like uh what's his name Cheerios one Eggie yeah or Alan Bennett would do it again won't I remember talking to my friend Eggie and he told me that he used to call them Depression he used to like Cheerios on a Wednesday I wonder if he's ever said that incredible so I yeah we'll put um cornflakes through cornflakes go through on it yeah yeah yeah you know it's me crunching up cornflakes versus ricicles ooh so I know my winner I'm intrigued to know what yours is the problem with crunching up cornflakes is as it says on Peep show it's just Frosted for wankers is what um Superhand says and I'm we're gonna run super hands but um yeah I'm wary of um it going what does he mean it's frosties for wankers like I don't know any as it's not it's a fictional character does it it should be the other way around it's like frosty frosty's a crunchy nut serial for wankers like it it doesn't work that way around it's not it's not well written though can you remember the tagline um I mean it's ridiculous that because I don't know think how much they must have spent on the colour you do this whole time you're gonna for it and you're like a guy who goes to it goes to an interview and he's not done any any preparation at all so what was what was the uh yeah what could the tagline be so I'm I'm thinking it's something like um it's really uh it's quite famo really famous in fact well that threw me then because then I was thinking only the best will do but that's something completely different no it's uh they're loot they're ludicrously tasty yeah I mean it's good it's good it's strong I was thinking it's something like um if you like cornflakes but you prefer them to taste better this is for you. Well actually a lot of people do say because I I've been on Reddit for uh as I do a lot of my research you just like to get things and a lot of people like we're saying these are what cornflakes should have been basically um crunchy they are cornflakes still but they've got sugar and nut and you can kind of convince some nut in them that like it's like well they're kind of healthy aren't they because we've got some peanut in there I think I never liked ricicles I thought ricicles were really did generally left the light little alien man on yeah no it was the spaceman Captain Rick it were called um like that's what I mean though like the oh yeah it was a spaceman isn't there they weren't an alien it were a spaceman didn't it like well I suppose it's called two characters so it doesn't have to be like an oversized head I well I presume I don't know I presume so I presume so I presume so I presume so being a being a serial mascot I thought he was just a spaceman uh it got discontinued in 2017 because they were too sugary and I do remember him tasting like a bowl of sugar yeah I think we might have to put crunching nuts through here Liam uh yeah I'm I'm I'm absolutely on board with that for me crunching nuts I mean again if I'm completely honest as a kid I'd have struggled a little bit there that that might have been a 50-50 and maybe I'm letting my sort of more adult brain I never I know I didn't like ric I know that I didn't like rice as a kid and I know there's going to be people shouting at this because it's one of them as well do you know because they don't exist anymore it's a bit like when a band splits up oh they were amazing but you never used to buy them you never used to buy their albums when they were shed seven of cereals yeah but um yeah I don't think I was ever allowed rice because they were too sugary but then I'd just sort of put like tablespoons of sugar onto my rice crispy.

Frosties And Sugar Puffs Power Through

SPEAKER_00 33:14

Crunching up cornflakes is through yeah right next one the battle of the sugars this one yeah I mean Frosties uh Frosty's the weetos so Frosty's is another one I'll I'll be honest Frosty's and Cocoa Pops are the two before we started I thought they're gonna get four Frosty's vitoes is not it's not the easy win it's not not the it's not the gimme but I I still think personally Frosty's but I I I I can imagine people you might be one of them making a strong claim for for weetos we're's is probably one of the most I bought as a kid or got I bought for me I used to love Wheatos. You're on about the professor guy earlier that's the that's the Wheatos mascot because you used to do that advert we toes go round and round I preferred Wheos Frosty years years yeah it were classes of budget cocoa pops I thought it were better than cocoa pops personally I used to love Wito's absolutely was the one we never had at home but when I used to go stay at my grandma's for a week in the six week holidays and she'd say what cereals you want I'd subscribe's please and I I was always happy I was never I was never unsatisfied yeah uh on the other hand uh frosties are obviously probably possibly the first one I thought of out of all the cereals when we're they're great aren't they wee Tony the Tiger um Tony the tiger is it don't talk about Jamaica no that's how we talked is it is an is it is an is an Italian guys want some fucking cereal I say we'd take this fucker out.

SPEAKER_01 34:52

Imagine that imagine him taking the uh the professor out from Wheathorse I say we'd take this fucker out Tony it definitely went in a fire and obviously it is the most uh it were quite sort of like uh well built as well it's fucking hard it could be yeah yeah I think as well that it's probably the do you reckon out of all these he's the most recognisable mascot um yeah there's there's only one that can compete we're gonna get to in a couple of matches time I think this is tough for me this is tough I I wouldn't I wouldn't argue too much against you if you wanted to go weeto's but I would personally go Frosties.

SPEAKER_00 35:33

Let's go Frosties just on the basis that we were not sure and there is absolutely no comparison with the mascots they've got a an old professor the brandy's is an easy win isn't it I mean in terms of taste I still actually think personally no in fact no even as I'm saying it I'm not sure I I think it's quite close in terms of as a kid which one I would rather have but I think there's one clear sort of branding and and and sort of cartoon character winner so we'll put it through for that reason.

SPEAKER_01 36:01

Frostays is through the next one a bit of a difference in what they promote sugar pulse versus shredded weed oh yeah so I've said in a couple of a couple of times so this is the only character I think could maybe sort of take turning tiger in a fight do you think it could no way no fucking way he's a fucking nutcase I tell you what you would not want to get on the wrong side of that character would you he's do you remember when um the advert when Kevin Keegan brought him on as a sub oh yeah yeah and he goes well you know we were losing I had to bring the big man on he puts he puts didn't he like a gear kick or something like that as well well Kevin Keegan had to ask Kevin Keegan who Kevin Keegan should bring on at this moment.

SPEAKER_00 36:40

Imagine if you imagine if you went mad Keegan like towards Ender of his England thing and said well you know uh Honey Monster didn't you know he didn't answer my calls and you know so I've had to push up there. It's uh it's not what we wanted but Honey Monster yeah um look controversial again I'm I wasn't I I did used to eat sugar puffs a lot but I again I think they might have been too sugary for me even back then.

SPEAKER_01 37:04

I love sugar puffs the only thing I'd say is when they sort of got a bit soaked up the milk they kind of had a bit of a slimy texture that I sometimes found a bit odd. I'd still eat them I just used to think it's a bit weird it's what what is this thing that I'm eating like a sort of slug almost like a yeah strange I can't believe they're still going can't believe they're still going sugar puffs in the sense that it was just ricks are getting banned.

SPEAKER_00 37:27

I think sugar puffs has to go through but on shredded wheat some incredible people used to advertise for him remember both them both them because it with the the tagline were um I bet you can't eat three yeah I bet you could eat about 20 of them if he wanted well Clough did it as well didn't I and Shultz actually Shulton's in one of the adverts as well Clough like right you want to get in my team unless you eat three shredded wheats and it were like sort of seen as like a tough thing. There were a Carlin Black label advert I remember where it was like a poster and it were four shredded wheats eats in a bowl and he said I better he drinks Carlin Black label seen as like an R man thing that's good marketing though innit like it's not like daring kids to eat more like yeah I think out of all the marketing genuinely maybe not mascots but that I'll I might share actually uh that some of the Clough adverts in particular genuinely funny.

SPEAKER_01 38:18

Take all your sugar puffs and your nut loops and throw them in the biggest fucking dustbin you can find.

SPEAKER_00 38:22

You think Chiltern have got um would he have gone for an advert where Clough saying the reason you didn't outjump Maradona is because you don't have your three shredded wheats the reason you can't have shredded wheats sir is because you can't reach the bowl in the cupboard. Yeah that's brilliant that'd be an amazing advert he has another one and he's gonna jump up and then Maradona leaps over him and just grabs it you can have as many as you want Maradona that that'd be an amazing advert that though it shows you the goal going in oh what's gone wrong and clough sidelines he goes right I know what he needs given another shred of weed then it's like a replay or whatever and he gets to it yeah jump jumps heads it and heads it into the goal on the other end yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah I think yeah uh well but it's got to go out because it's quite boring in it yeah there's not enough about it is um I sugar push goes through I think sugar puss through and big man has to go through doesn't he yeah yeah you don't want to get on the wrong side of him next one William next one golden graham's the rice krispies so you put golden grams through top of the group um I used to love it I I think out of all close for me I I'm not even quite sure what a golden graham I I like golden grams because is it the is it Simpson's episode where they're going into space and uh or they're coming back in actually and the the spaceship's like burning up and I think the other two like astronauts are singing an Ashle Anthem and he's Helmer's singing Golden Graham's does golden crispy grips that that makes me think of golden graham's but other than that I'm not actually sure what they are I one of my favourites golden graham. They're very yellow hence the golden name yeah yeah yeah yeah it was pure I mean again they had to change the recipe what's the difference between a golden graham and a golden nugget I didn't eat golden nuggets that's it's I don't mean in context of like your palate I mean like I think golden what is the difference between them I'm pretty sure golden nuggets used to turn the milk yellow I I I'm pretty sure that happened in golden nuggets. Golden Graham didn't who wants to drink yellow milk realistically but what what what is a golden graham now what like you know like uh cereal but like obviously like we've got we've got little loops we've got little bits of rice what what does a golden graham look like it's a square thing in it a golden graham let me have a look at a quick look just get my well is it I don't know but I I know I know that you're partial though like a shredder almost uh yeah I mean I'm just looking at them now yeah they're basically like a shredder yeah they yeah well exactly the same as a shredder oh I'm looking at them now just a yellow one let me have a look let me see if I can put them in they look really nice I remember these a lot I yeah and I never like Rice Krispies so it's it's it's the one for me.

SPEAKER_01 41:00

I mean I like the name like presumably do you think somebody called Graham invented them but it says part of the Honey Graham collection maybe that were his name the Honey Graham collection no I I've never I mean they do look nice on the packet I've never had these I I I'm kind of gonna have to go with you on this one because I I don't know I can't I can't kind of they don't exist anymore.

SPEAKER_00 41:22

They don't exist I've just gone Wikipedia now gradual decided declining sales after changing the recipe for having too much sugar in them.

SPEAKER_01 41:28

So they got they always getting rid of sugar aren't they and ruining it yeah well that's it yeah we're all we're all getting fatter but taking the sugar out of stuff is uh it's a lifestyle thing it's not about the cereals is it so have you got an argument for rice krispies?

SPEAKER_00 41:42

Obviously snack crackers I thought rice krispies were just a really nice standard admittedly you had to add you had to add sugar so that kind of goes against it I wouldn't I wouldn't have just had a bowl of rice krispies with no sugar yeah yeah but I but I did like rice crisp I I thought rice krispies were a bit of a an all-rounder like if you're if your mates came for a sleepover or whatever there's certain ones not everyone everyone would have rice krispies I don't know I've got a bottle I've got a packet of rice crispies downstairs um actually um probably out of day I never eat it but um it was just what no it was like an all-rounder thing when we went on holiday and um my nana my mum and my dad and all that and I thought that's that's an easy one innit Rice Krispies just for people to have um not everyone's gonna like golden graham's are they? Well so this is this is the thing then so what what what counts for more is it the I'll put them through I'll put Rice Krispies through on that the fact that the fact that I've got cereal downstairs now I never liked it that much as a kid don't get me wrong but brilliant toys as well by the way I used to collect the figures you know there's well if there were only three of them start crackling pot but do you know you know the toys you used to get in the uh in the cereal boxes yeah they used to do like uh well sometimes you could get figures but it did like bike reflectors and stuff like that oh yeah they did yeah yeah we'll put it through we'll get Rice Krispies through then and then we're on to the last of the uh last sixteen so another really easy one for me but you might have a stronger case against it it's brand flakes for ready break ready break brilliant winter food cold morning uh I don't know whether I mean first house I lived in I don't really remember too well that was sort of like crimes thought but but when I lived at Charnock when I was young we had a coal fire I I don't know if we had central eating or not but I remember like it being quite cold in the morning and a warm bowl of ready break was a was a beautiful thing. Do you remember the slogan central heating for kids? Do you remember that? Yeah only when you've said it but yeah when they they used to glow on the adverts or even on the box used to have like a child glowing.

SPEAKER_01 43:47

But that's that's great marketing because I didn't necessarily remember that but that's almost how I picture it. I remember sort of in a morning waking up quite cold and feeling that nice warm bowl of ready break just warming up. So easy winner for me because I would never eat brown flakes even now. I'm too cool for school. You know that. I wouldn't eat brown flakes now.

SPEAKER_00 44:06

Yeah, I I I think I prefer brown flakes, but I'm not a big fan of ready breaks. I don't really like porridge. But taking into other account of all the marketing and the fact it were really it made porridge. Yeah, it did, did it? Did it?

SPEAKER_01 44:22

I'm sure it did. I'm thinking crocodile warming and why they picked that. Er they only love him like warm warm places, don't they? Although they do have to warm themselves up, don't they?

SPEAKER_00 44:33

Um it i I've put it into Google and it and and nothing's come up, so maybe you've maybe they didn't do that. Um it's an alligator or a crocodile. Oh, sorry, hang on. I think you've got it mixed up. Um apparently was uh Wheatabicks had a crocodile on the front. All right, what ready break then? Just a glowing child who looked like it got radiation poisoning. But it's through, it's through because we can't realistically put quarter final lineup, Liam. It's cocoa

Quarter Finals Get Brutal

SPEAKER_00 45:02

pops versus cornflakes, shreddies versus crunching up cornflakes, frosties versus rice krispies, and sugar pops versus ready break. Do you want to start?

SPEAKER_01 45:10

Yeah, first quarter final. This is tough. Cocoa pops for your cornflakes. Oh, I I mean flakes, the first I'm a pistol for myself or for the the population in general.

SPEAKER_00 45:25

Well, this is where it gets tough for me. I mean, I do uh as a child.

SPEAKER_01 45:30

As a child As a child, if you offered me the two, I there's no way I'm having cornflakes. I agree with cocoa pops.

SPEAKER_00 45:36

I agree. Do you know cornflakes were the first ever serial to have a toy inside the box for the uh trend setters? Um 1909.

SPEAKER_01 45:44

The Kellogg sort of cockroll thing, is that that their logo?

SPEAKER_00 45:47

There's nothing. I love that. Yeah, I absolutely love that. Yeah, and they were created by accident. I'm reading into this a bit, not not for this thing, actually. They were created by accident.

SPEAKER_01 45:57

So someone left some for one second.

SPEAKER_00 45:59

I'm telling you, they left some wheat out overnight, it went stale, and someone went, I'll uh I'll have that. I'm telling you that if you type that in, I'm typing it in. I'm typing shut up.

SPEAKER_01 46:09

Some wheat, so they picked some wheat, like so bear in mind it just comes in sort of like sort of grains or whatever. Listen to this. They came down and it was in a bowl in like flakes. Which is not my words, this is the history of the crude and some milk like accidentally spilled into it. And a bowl dropped in the roof.

SPEAKER_00 46:28

Yeah. Coal flakes were invented by accident in 1894 when brothers Dr. Harvey Kellogg and Will Keith Kellogg left a batch of boiled wheat dough unattended overnight. When they put the dried stale wheat through rollers, it flattened into flakes, making it into a instead of making it into a loaf of bread.

SPEAKER_01 46:47

Do you want to put it through some rollers? Yeah, go. Yeah, why not?

SPEAKER_00 46:52

I'm reading thehistory of food.com here, and they've said invented by accident. Not my words. Let's see what Wikipedia says. Uh Wikipedia, uh Isthra. Disagreement, actually, about how it how it came together. John Kellogg said he had he had the idea of a dream in a dream. Imagine dreaming about a serial. Brilliant idea.

SPEAKER_01 47:18

That's ridiculous. So he dreamt something that he accidentally then did. Yep, that's what happened.

SPEAKER_00 47:23

You don't like it, but he's gonna have to go along with it. Yeah, yeah, you're probably right. But I never I knew that I'd read it.

SPEAKER_01 47:29

Um, but yeah, uh, they were the first people, I'd say, in 1909 to to put uh toys and stuff into the leaving some wheat dough out and then accidentally rolling it and cutting it into little flakes and putting it in a bowl with some milk accidentally.

SPEAKER_00 47:42

Uh uh, did you the the the next big hit by the way for um Kellogg for Kellogg's was rice?

SPEAKER_01 47:48

They accidentally invented sausages, isn't there?

SPEAKER_00 47:50

Yeah. They invented a pizza, just like oh, do you know what I've done? I've dropped all this bloody cheese on this. I'll tell you what, that's alright that.

SPEAKER_01 47:58

You know when you accidentally smeared that tomato paste on it, that worked really well, actually.

SPEAKER_00 48:02

I think you are right though.

SPEAKER_01 48:04

I think it is really I thought I might have to fight hard on that. Are you okay with cocoa pops being away?

SPEAKER_00 48:09

Yeah, because because I think the a bit like what you said earlier about rice crispies, you can't have them without sugar. Cornflakes, I don't think.

SPEAKER_01 48:20

Yeah, you you can, and I'm sure people do, but not as a kid, I don't think. You wouldn't just have a plain bowl of cornflakes, would you?

SPEAKER_00 48:26

They're really boring.

SPEAKER_01 48:27

I don't even really imagine eating a plain bowl of cornflakes, really. I can't imagine doing that. Right.

SPEAKER_00 48:33

Coco Pops goes through Coca Pops and yeah, so it will be up against the winner of Shredders versus Crunchy Nut Cornflakes. For me, this is an easy win in Shredders, although I have been uh disappointed with them when I've had them recently. Do you remember the advert? I just remembered this off the top of my head. Uh Hunger Strikes Bomb da Bomb da Bomb da Bomb da Bom da Bomb. I don't know why that just came into my head. I once phoned Mark Meadowcroft up as a as a child. I went to a public phone box to do this. Um he was doing a serious phone call about I think he was talking about uh underage drinking actually. And I weren't drinking, but I phoned him up and he went, Hello, what were what what do you think about this topic? And I went, Hunger strikes bomb da bomb da da bomb da da bomb da da bomb da da bomb and put phone down. No, and then I recorded it at home because I'd like I said I ran to the phone box. I don't know why. And um and he goes, Right, you an absolute idiot's just phoned up here once again. He goes, 'cause it's come from the Scotty McClure show. Because obviously people used to phone him up all the time. And yeah, and he was not happy because he were a very, very serious uh broadcaster, and I I regret it. I regret it, but you live by the sword, you die by the sword, don't you? He was a good advert, hunger strikes, bomb da bomb, da da bomb da bomb da bombada.

SPEAKER_01 49:37

I mean, yeah, I'm I'm 50-50 on it, so if you have a strong leaning towards Shreddies, I'm gonna have to go with that.

SPEAKER_00 49:43

Yeah, I I think Shreddy's goes through to the semi-finals, mate. I I really do, yeah. Right. Fair, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 49:49

Third quarterfinal, Frosty's Rice Krispies. I mean, I think we're kind of we've we've almost sort of put a statement out there that we can have to stand by now. That and even though it's purely because they're they're already infused with sugar, but you don't have to add anything to Frosty's. I think Rice Krispies, you have to add your own sugar. Frosty's comes with the sugar, so it's gotta be Frosty's for me, this one.

SPEAKER_00 50:12

I think Frosty's a nice.

SPEAKER_01 50:14

I think the branding for the two is very strong. Snap, crackle and pop was were very good.

SPEAKER_00 50:19

They're a bit they were a bit wimpy though, weren't they? I know they were like superheroes, but you didn't you weren't Well they weren't with it, weren't they like elves or something? I thought they were suit. There were superheroes. They were superheroes, little really, really small superheroes. Snap crackle and pop. I think you weren't like little elves type things. No, no, they're superheroes. But I think Tony has these has these for breakfast, I was gonna say. Literally has these for breakfast, Snap Crackle and Breakfast. It'd deal with all three at once, when I uh Yeah, I think Tony goes through here, to be honest. Okay. Uh yeah, so the next uh quarter final the final the final quarterfinal, sugar push versus ready break, again for me, it's an easy win for the big man.

SPEAKER_01 50:56

Yeah, I'm not I'm not I can't argue too strongly against that. I I I do think if you're talking seasonal, if you're asking me which one I want on a cold December morning, then Reddy Break, but but all round I I do think sugarpuff's probably just.

SPEAKER_00 51:12

Do you remember the rumour? Do you I don't know if you had this? There were rumour at school that the guy who played Dunimonster had died because he couldn't get out of his costume. Did you ever it might have just been our school?

SPEAKER_01 51:22

No, I can't sort of no, I don't it sort of sounds familiar, but I can't.

SPEAKER_00 51:27

I should have had it in our urban myths episode, actually. Yeah, I'm sure, yeah. I swear that used to go around. Oh, yeah, do you know what original likes to die? Well, I couldn't get out of his his suit in time. How were it in that? Boiled in his suit. Yeah, boiled in his suit, couldn't get any air, died, suffocation.

SPEAKER_01 51:42

I mean, it's after Keegan gave him a hard sort of 40 minutes, wasn't it?

SPEAKER_00 51:45

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. This

Semi Finals And Mascot Matchups

SPEAKER_00 51:47

leads to great two great semi-finals, Coco Potts versus Shredders, and Frosties versus Sugar Puffs, which I think is a the first one, Coco Pot versus Shreddies. I prefer Shreddies. I think you've got to go Coco Pops though, to be completely honest.

SPEAKER_01 52:01

Yeah, I think the two strong contenders, uh, you know, I think I think there's no shame for me in Shreddies going home at this stage, but no, they've had a good tournament, yeah. Yeah, it's one of them in it that you know they'd love to have got to a final, but they've they've done well. I I think Coco Pop's I wouldn't say like it's not a it's not a beatdown, is it? It's just uh it's a two-one, maybe a three-one, it's a comfortable it Kelko Pops takes it, I think.

SPEAKER_00 52:26

Do you I mean what do you reckon we'd if we'd have gone to Chapel St. Leonard's and done this episode and for every single round we had to eat a bowl of whatever was in it? I'll how far do you think you get before being sick?

SPEAKER_01 52:39

Er, yeah, I don't know, it's a different tournament, innit? We could we could try that one day, maybe. We could try that. We tried the censure. Imagine about this. Do you remember that where we did it in Tom's house where you had to have a shot of beer every minute for an hour?

SPEAKER_00 52:52

It sounds easy. Everyone I spoke to says, Oh, that's easy, what you're on about. No, it's not.

SPEAKER_01 52:57

Yeah, and it's it's not even the volume of sort of alcohol or beer, necessarily it's the froth, because you're having a shot each time. I I remember at one bit, like I I I did it. I don't know if two or three of us finished it. I finished it.

SPEAKER_00 53:09

Yeah, I failed, I failed.

SPEAKER_01 53:10

At one stage there were like froth coming up out of me, like like like sort of sick froth, like yeah, horrible.

SPEAKER_00 53:16

Horrible. Talking of sugar and things that might make you sick if you had lots of them. Frost is versus sugar pussy. Tony the tiger versus the big man, the honey monster.

SPEAKER_01 53:29

I mean, I'd love to see that fight. You know, like they're doing these misfits fights. I'd love to see that. Um I mean that that for me is really close. I I think I I suspect the general population might prefer Frosties. I think I might just prefer sugar puffs, but I prefer Frosties.

SPEAKER_00 53:52

I prefer Frosties. I've just looked, I couldn't remember. I was gonna say uh the catchphrase obviously for Frosties is much more memorable there. Great! Um and the other one, uh the the the sugar push one is tell them about the honey, mummy. Yeah, see that I I don't even remember that being a thing. I wonder if we put Frosties through on that basis alone. Yeah, I think what's he on about? I don't know, that's what he says. Tell them about the honey. Tell them about the honey, mummy. Yeah, get rid of it. Yeah, get rid of it I'm never eating it again. So he goes home. So the fact well we'll do third place play off Shreddies versus Sugar Puffs. I presume that's gonna be sugar puffs, yeah. Well, I don't know, read me that line again. Uh hang on. Tell them tell them about the honey mummy. Shreddies third place. And but yeah, did you know they rebranded as well? They're now uh called the honey monster puffs. They probably won't distance themselves from that comment, don't they? Yeah. I didn't know that. I did not know that they changed the name to Did you know that? No. I don't even know you could still get them out.

SPEAKER_01 55:01

Not buy a lot of cereal these days, but I am I don't remember the last time I saw Sugar Puffs.

SPEAKER_00 55:06

Yeah, as a result of the Honey Monster appear in the Sugar Puffs advert, where in the kit of Newcastle FC, sales of sugar puffs fell by 20% in the northeast of England due to Sunderland fans. Incredible, absolutely amazing. Um yeah, apparently uh Jamaican then. I can never I can't ever do a wearside accent without turning into a Jamaican, unfortunately. Shreddy's third then. Shreddy's third, and we're into the final, and it's Coco Pops versus Frosties.

The Final Decision Goes Down

SPEAKER_00 55:38

I think these two right from the start had a yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 55:42

This is like they've got a France-Brazil final, isn't it? This is this feels like the top two I've got to the last two. Well, we haven't fixed it in any way, but it feels right that they've met in the final. Um it's really tough this. I personally I would prefer a bowl of cocoa pops.

SPEAKER_00 56:02

I'd rather have a ball of cocoa pops. I'd rather have a I'd rather have a ball of Frosty, so we are in penalty shootout territory. Well, and I think difficult.

SPEAKER_01 56:11

I wonder whether no I doubt. Come on, what do you think? I'm giving it some light, I'm staring at some distance out the window. Like I'm really thinking like which one of these would I've rather philosopher, uh like rubbing his beard. I'm like, I don't like watching the sort of clouds in the distance thinking like racking my brain as a kid. I mean I'd I'd I would be more than happy with both of these if if you got one of these multi-pike things on the caravan. If these two are available, I I'm happy. I'll take it.

SPEAKER_00 56:42

Both Kellogg's, both Kellogg's, both met both by the man who uh accidentally invented cornflakes, yeah, accidentally invented these as well, didn't I?

SPEAKER_01 56:51

Um I mean I I have you've got strong preference. I'm I'm leaning Cocoa Pops, but not in a not in a sort of real strong way.

SPEAKER_00 57:00

I'm the other yeah, but I'm the other way. I'm not I believe you're not making a real sort of argument for no, no. Um I'm just looking on the bottom of the case.

SPEAKER_01 57:09

I mean, in terms of sort of we've we've said we would look at icon, the the the kind of characters and the advertising. I think I prefer Tony Tiger. I don't know the monkey's name, if I'm honest. Coco. Is that his name?

SPEAKER_00 57:21

I don't know. Um mascot, so have a quick look. Uh Coco the Monkey, yeah. Coco the monkey.

SPEAKER_01 57:28

Um I mean, I do like the makes milk chocolate.

SPEAKER_00 57:35

Make the milk chocolate. Whoa, that's a chocolate milk at the end. I thought that was a bonus. In the late 2000s, Coco and his friends were removed on adverts. Not for any reason, they just thought they'd they'd run out of steam. Whereas Tony, still going.

SPEAKER_01 57:49

Um was he like uh sort of referee, Tony? Was he like a sort of sports referee at times?

SPEAKER_00 57:56

Yeah, I think he might be a little bit more.

SPEAKER_01 57:57

I think of him like in a referee shirt with a whistle at some point in his career.

SPEAKER_00 58:00

I mean, I'm looking at him now and he's just got a massive thumbs up, haven't I? Um I'm sure he had a stint as a referee. He's got his own Wikipedia page and it's fucking massive as well. Absolutely huge as Wikipedia page.

SPEAKER_01 58:15

So I so I like it, I like frosties when they're still crunchy. I don't like it when they go too soggy. I can cope with cocoa pops when they've gone a bit soggy. So I mean this this is uh absolutely not something we ever said we'd we'd rate them on. If you have to eat them quickly, then I'm I'm sort of going frosties.

SPEAKER_00 58:35

If I could say I'm other way again. I'm other way from here again. We're literally literally all the time. I don't mind.

SPEAKER_01 58:42

There's a payoff with cocoa pops. If you can take your time, you sort of think the longer I'm taking, the more chocolatey the milk's getting. Yeah. Whereas with Frosties, I kind of think I want to eat them while they're crisp and crunchy. I mean, we we took we took on the challenge, didn't we? So we have to we have to decide now. I it's not good enough because I'm sort of thinking I'm happy with the top two. I I don't mind who wins, but uh you can't have a draw and a final. Yeah, you can't have a drawer and a final. Yeah. How can we trying to think of a way we can do it where it's weird how like how bothered I am that I kind of almost I'm really gutted for the loser out of this one. Um I'm I personally want Coco Pops to win.

SPEAKER_00 59:25

I personally want Frosters to win.

SPEAKER_01 59:28

We've done this bit, aren't we?

SPEAKER_00 59:29

Yeah. This could be in for four hours of this, like, well, I'm telling you what tell me I'll try and tell you the bad things about Coco Pops. Hmm I'll tell you the bad things about Frosties is they are way too sugary, they really are ridiculous.

SPEAKER_01 59:47

I I think Coco Pops is not especially filling. I think you can have a big bowl of it and it and it feels like you've had a big breakfast, but actually you're hungry an hour later. Shreddies Shreddies, where does that come from? Frosty's is probably well, not much, but it's probably a little bit more filling. So I uh as a breakfast, is it a little bit more satisfying, maybe? Um I'll tell you what. I mean, cocoa pops when you think about it, it's nothing there, is it? It's just little pockets of air.

SPEAKER_00 1:00:15

No, but I uh it's funny. Do you know what's funny here? I'm thinking of cocoa pops now, and you're gonna go for Frosters. Arguments have completely changed round. I'm gonna say I did a very, very, very small survey of about seven people um at work about what they go for. I don't think anyone chose Froster's, and I think about four chose Cocoa Pops.

SPEAKER_01 1:00:40

Yeah, but I mean I suppose we we only have a survey of seven people and four of them pick Coco Pops. And we've now got two more. And so we've got five out of nine.

SPEAKER_00 1:00:50

So Cocoa Pops is the winner. I'm happy to. Yeah, I don't like it, but I'm gonna have to go along with it. Now I I feel sorry for Frosties there.

SPEAKER_01 1:01:00

That's tough by the way, because I I've I probably wanted probably wanted Cocoa Pops all the way through, but when it got to that final, I I I'm gutted for Frosties.

SPEAKER_00 1:01:10

I'm gutted for Tony, actually. Oh he'll bounce back. He always bounces back, don't I? Forget about it. I come back next year. Yeah, it'd be watching Oregon should be retributions, aren't they?

SPEAKER_01 1:01:23

Oh yeah, big time taking action now.

SPEAKER_00 1:01:25

Tonight, Coco sleeps with the fishers. Right.

Regrets, Wildcards And Listener Picks

SPEAKER_00 1:01:32

That was great, that Leam. I don't know if anyone else enjoyed it, but I did.

SPEAKER_01 1:01:36

Uh I'm glad you found it great, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:01:38

I found that absolutely uh fascinating. Um like it were tense, it were tense all the way through. Once we got past the group stages, I think they could have gone either way, really.

SPEAKER_01 1:01:48

And any sort of we'll finish up now. We've we've we've gone through it all, but is there is there any one out of the ones that dropped out early on that you think I'd love to have seen that get further?

SPEAKER_00 1:01:57

Weitos got knocked out in the second round against Coco Pops, the eventual winner. I think that could have gone a bit bit deeper.

SPEAKER_01 1:02:04

Yeah, fair. Fair is fair. I mean, if if I'm going back.

SPEAKER_00 1:02:07

Oh sorry, sorry, sorry, Wheat O's went against Frosty, sorry, the the eventual finalist, sorry.

SPEAKER_01 1:02:13

I mean, to be fair, I'm I'm quite happy with that went actually. I I do think like kind of repeating myself, but I do think if you're talking winter, ready breaks hard to beat, but we're not we're not aiming this at a winter. It's not a winter world cup, is it?

SPEAKER_00 1:02:25

It's uh summer world cup and I think as well Coco Pops probably had the order run. It had Wheatabicks, Cornflakes, Rice Crisp uh sorry, uh Shreddy's and then the final. Whereas Frosty's had Weito's I don't know how to say what rice crisp is Southgate, and it's beat everyone to expect it to beat but then he had sugar puffs in semis and he managed to beat that, so yeah. But Cocoa Pops is the winner for me. Um well it's not actually, but I'm happy I'm happy to go along with it.

SPEAKER_01 1:02:55

Don't like it, but he's gonna have to go along with it. Yeah, it's the total winner. It's Coco Pops, it's Coco, the monkey who has Sean, he's lifting the trophy. And I could imagine that as an advert as well, actually.

SPEAKER_00 1:03:07

You know, they're all jumping.

SPEAKER_01 1:03:08

I'd rather like collab where you could mix them in a box where you get the two like the you could call it the sort of who remembers finalists, like the bowl.

SPEAKER_00 1:03:20

Do you think that's a who remember? No, but they should if they're listening to this, they should that they've been missing a trick, uh, especially on the back of this podcast. Yeah, well, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:03:29

I mean, if everybody listening today is buys the who remembers mixed frosties and cocoa pops, I mean they'll be selling. We are faces up front endorsed by boxes, aren't they?

SPEAKER_00 1:03:38

Yeah, they'll be an unbelievable amount of boxes, yeah. Do let us know your favourites. Um have a go at us again, genuinely uh what where we went wrong. I do I do enjoy that.

SPEAKER_01 1:03:48

We're not faultless, aren't we? We will accept it.

SPEAKER_00 1:03:50

Debate is great, debate is great, and it's fallible as well.

SPEAKER_01 1:03:53

We are fallible.

SPEAKER_00 1:03:54

We're fallible, we are mark fallible. Um, right, thank you, Liam, for a great tournament.

SPEAKER_01 1:03:59

Cheers. Well uh we'll be back with more. I don't know if the next one will be World Cup related or not. It might be, you'll have to wait and see. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:04:07

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