Warnock (From The Madeley Archives)

Andrew has lost his voice so badly we can’t give you a full new recording this week, but we still wanted to give you something worth your time. So we flip the schedule and pull a favourite from the archive: our deep dive into the Neil Warnock documentary that follows Sheffield United’s 2004 to 2005 season. It’s a proper time capsule of Championship football, captured before the era of polished club media and carefully managed access.


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Transcript

Losing Our Voice And Replanning

SPEAKER_04 0:00

Slight change to uh pre-planned programming today, so we're we're not releasing a normal episode because you've lost your voice, aren't you? You can't speak.

SPEAKER_05 0:09

Literally. Um it's like obviously I could do an intro like this, but I don't think anybody wants to listen to this, do they?

SPEAKER_04 0:16

I don't know, people like that proper cane to speaking like uh really high pitched, don't they?

SPEAKER_05 0:20

I've had the same thing, I've lost my voice at Mexic at Mexico game, just shouting at decisions that were probably right.

SPEAKER_04 0:26

Um I I've been sort of thinking like so I've been to a few matches with you and I've never known you to lose your voice. I'm thinking I wonder what else has gone on that could have caused you to do a bit of sort of screaming or shouting. Taylor Swift got married on Friday. So couldn't have been that.

SPEAKER_05 0:39

Could have been that, yeah. It's all the excitement, innit? Yeah, I don't know. Honestly, I don't know. Yeah, it's ridiculous, guys. I don't know. It might be a funny episode.

SPEAKER_04 0:49

We're not gonna do it, are we? I I think it'd be too ludicrous to do a full episode.

SPEAKER_05 0:53

Yeah. Yeah, I I said to you, I think I'm alright to record. You're like, absolutely not. Uh we had a special guest planned as well, but we're gonna get him back later. But we're gonna be back with our normal programming next week as long as my voice comes back. If it don't come back, it sounds like I'm crying. When do you expect the next to start? When do we want to start? I can't even do that in a high-pitched voice because it's that fucked.

SPEAKER_04 1:16

Yeah, so we're doing uh

Archive Drop And Schedule Swap

SPEAKER_04 1:19

we're just gonna rearrange. So normally we've been putting out uh a Mayley archive episode on a Sunday, uh Sunday night, and the normal one on a Tuesday night. We're we're gonna flip reverse it. We're gonna give you something from the archives today, which uh I mean it's a vague World Cup connection. It's uh it's Warnock, the documentary, who Yeah, yeah. I don't know if he's ever been at a World Cup. I mean, I I can't imagine him being at a World Cup. I've heard him on Sourceport talking about Jed Spence, so that's the sort of tenuous connection.

SPEAKER_05 1:45

That's good enough for us, yeah. I sound a bit like that referee, you know. What's his name? Darren Cannes. Yeah, yeah. When he says, like, I think the decision is final. Um yeah, so yeah, massive apologies for me, but I I I honestly don't think I could do it for an hour. Um I think it'd just be it'd take away from the great content, wouldn't it?

SPEAKER_04 2:05

I I mean part of me kind of wishes we'd done it because I think it would have been quite funny, but I don't think I'd listen to it once the novelty's worn off. So yeah, we are intending to get a normal episode out on Sunday. Uh normally we we do a standard episode on a Tuesday night and uh an archive, Maidley archive on a Sunday night. The plan is to flip reverse that, but there's another England game coming up on Saturday before the recording. We'll have to see how your voice is, won't we?

SPEAKER_05 2:32

Oh yeah, big time, yeah. Big time, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 2:35

Yeah, we'll have to see. So so it might it's possible you'll get two Maidley's Maidley archives in a row. That's that's not the intention, but we have to roll with the punches, don't we? All our lives we've been headbutting these sort of problems away.

SPEAKER_05 2:46

Exactly, yeah. Illness happens and and that ends short today.

SPEAKER_04 2:52

Like not even like not even high pitched, like it sounds like like vulnerable week, like these things are gonna happen. These things happen. Um yeah, if we can't get it out Sunday, we'll definitely be back for Tuesday anyway, won't we? So I I don't know. Don't make any promises you can't commit to. I think you sound like you're dying.

SPEAKER_05 3:09

Yeah, maybe. But yeah, um yeah, uh when do we plan to start recording again? Now I think uh yeah, we should be alright. If we can't get one out Sunday, uh we'll get one out on Tuesday for definite.

SPEAKER_04 3:22

Yeah, okay. I mean right, we'll have to see, won't we? Thank you for listening and yeah, enjoy the Neil Warnock episode. It is a good one, I think.

Setting Up The Warnock Documentary

SPEAKER_05 4:18

We'll get straight into it. This is uh uh followers Neil Walmart is manager of Sheffield United season two thousand and four to two thousand and five. It's his fifth full season as manager, says it's his dream job, um, and and it's all about can he win promotion within Can we start there with the first little click?

SPEAKER_04 4:33

It's not I I don't know, I just really liked it. I love how the music they've picked for him is like some sort of action hero. Unless it's a little bit of the music that they introduce him with. I mean, you get this music and you you kind of imagine it should be sort of Superman or Captain America backflipping and you know some of you see Warnock in his big coat walking around pointing and just gesturing it, yeah, brilliant.

SPEAKER_05 5:10

Yeah, I mean we this we we should people who listen to this probably do now, but if you're uh not a regular listener, we are Sheffield United fans and we went to a lot of games this season. I don't think we'd don't think I had a scene ticket this season to be honest. But we're both working the odd Saturday, so we didn't uh we didn't have season tickets. We went to a lot of games this series. I don't know if you you remember any of it. There were a couple that I thought, oh I went to that one with Liam.

SPEAKER_04 5:32

Yeah, so so yeah, like you said, we you do Blaze Pod. I'm sure everybody knows that's how they've come across this, but we try very hard to to separate this from that. This is not a Chef United podcast, it's just a general entertainment. Yeah, we're not gonna do that. There's a big big overlap in this one that we can't get away from because uh to be quite honest with you, this this is kind of almost when I loved football. This is when uh I was earning enough to sort of be paying to go a lot, and we were turning them into sort of nights out of meeting other people after just a brilliant era of of football for me. And I think the the end of the Warnock era coincided with things changing a little bit for me and me not going so much. So yeah, I I remember this phase very fondly, even when it wasn't all perfect.

SPEAKER_05 6:11

Well we might come for you around it, though, but we'll just follow the documentary. It starts off basically with a pre-season uh game at Matlock and straight in with his comedy. I've as you've listened to this today as well, aren't you? Radio Sheffield have put out uh a Warnock uh documentary uh not a documentary today, a Warnock uh interview today, aren't they?

SPEAKER_04 6:27

Uh yeah, this is too, it's only uh only part one I could find. Sorry, is this mic alright? Um only part one I could find today, Carlos Hauber in New Warnock.

SPEAKER_05 6:35

Um actually there's uh one of our own uh is it podcast or yeah Sheffield United podcast uh official podcast, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 6:44

One of our own which I listened to. I don't I think I listen to on YouTube, so it must be on b on both. Um but yeah that that was really interesting actually because there was some stuff that was said in that that sort of ties into a little bit of this and how he was treated, and he comes across as feeling very sorry for himself. And I I do th I do think you can understand why. I mean he said in that one of our own, this was news to me that obviously this is after this phase anyway, but just just to kind of well, first of all, what he said about this is the way it was done and why it probably comes across so genuine. He didn't let the cameras in and the mics on for certain moments. He basically said to him I'll be mic'd up permanently and you can record everything, but I want final say if I don't think it should go in.

SPEAKER_00 7:25

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 7:25

Well that's why I think we've got such a sort of genuine he's not just letting you see the bits that uh he perhaps would have cherry-picked, we're getting to see all of it, the good and the bad. So that's it.

SPEAKER_05 7:34

Yeah, I I think this documentary has all come to the to what we think overall, I suppose, at the end, but I it's they it's in the

Why It Feels So Real

SPEAKER_05 7:40

top five, I think, for me, for behind the scenes at football documentary. They can be pretty boring and a bit lame. I think like the the Tottenham one and Arsenal ones, they're all a little bit staged to a degree.

SPEAKER_04 7:49

I like the Sunderland one on Netflix, but there's this I think personally that if you if you like Chef United, there's obviously a lot there for you. If you like or hate Neil Warnock, there's something there for you. If you if you like sort of just almost sports psychology, and yeah, you know, I'm not saying he gets everything right, but there's some some interesting ways that he approaches sort of some of his team talks and the way that he deals with sort of gamesmanship and or lack of it sometimes. So yeah, yeah, but anyway, and I personally think if you listen to this thinking, I suppose you wouldn't have got this far, would you? But if you're thinking this is not for me, I I would say, you know, whoever you are, if you've not seen it, go and watch Neil Warnup documentary, it's a brilliant watch.

SPEAKER_05 8:24

Yeah, yeah, yeah. And it kicks off, is it Matt Lark uh preseason talking about new kits? And he says to a woman in the crowd, he's talking about an orange kit that he really liked, the new orange away kit, and he goes, You'll be sticking them, aren't you? You'll be sticking them out. And uh, I presume it's her husband who's with him, says uh she doesn't need an orange kit to do that. He'll start one up, don't he? Some right banter.

SPEAKER_04 8:44

He gestures her uh poking a chest out as well, doesn't he? Yeah. I love it how it's been on about a minute and he's kind of made a really sort of sexist remark. Yeah, straight away. He's such a dated man within.

SPEAKER_05 8:55

How are we gonna make mention this? I one of my next notes is it the next bit after this, he talks about retiring. He managed another 16 years after this, and he seems old school here.

SPEAKER_04 9:06

Yeah, yeah. I think he's he's of a bygone era, but but somehow, and this is obviously we're we're rambling on a bit before we get into it, but this is what I found quite interesting about it all, particularly watching it this time round, having not seen it for a few years. How he how he manages to kind of adapt and and keep going in the modern game because he looks very out of date in this.

SPEAKER_05 9:24

Yeah, yeah. And that's what I found fascinating. Another 16 years of management after this, and it and this looks like a man who's winding down, not in the way that he acts, but just to look at him and his and his philosophies and

Pre-Season Banter And Old-School Vibes

SPEAKER_05 9:36

stuff. So the we go to the first home game, it's uh Stoke at home. I remember this one. Uh, and I like this. I'm just gonna play a little clip here. Uh Warlord talks about what he does just before he goes out uh into the technical area.

SPEAKER_03 9:50

When the players go out, all the staff go out as well, and I just have a couple of minutes, that's all, and I always have done. I like having a thought, go to the toilet, what have you, and uh say a little prayer or something like that. You know, nothing on tour, I'd think about my family just for a few minutes and uh just calm down, really.

SPEAKER_05 10:07

I love I love him on the toilet, like having a shit, saying his prayers, and then thinking about his mum and dad. Like I've got a toilet and what have you.

SPEAKER_04 10:15

Uh I say my prayers and uh sort of just mooching about in the change of rooms, and he's he's a strange character because he's he's so confident and he and he'd sort of he's happy to have banter or or arguments with anyone, but he does come across as quite a sort of private bloke as well. He likes his own space, I think. He's a he's a he's a one-off, definitely.

SPEAKER_05 10:37

He definitely is, and in this basically stole game anyway, uh AD Akinbaye, who's checking out a later sign, swears up to him. Did you know what he said we were in? Yeah, I did, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 10:44

I didn't uh I didn't remember that until I watched it, but but yeah, I did see it and thought yeah, because they actually come kind of head to head, don't they?

SPEAKER_05 10:51

Yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean Akimbaye, yeah, absolute beast, isn't he? Like it I he's wow what six foot five, like huge. I remember against Wellington.

SPEAKER_04 11:01

Some of his rants in it with his football head on, he's he's ranting because he thinks that's what a football manager do. I don't think he's ever trying to bully or intimidate people. I think he could come across like that, and I think we've all heard about Fergie and the hairdryer. And yeah, I think despite him ranting and screaming at people, it's actually normally fairly constructive, and and it's interesting, actually, because all the players kind of say, you know, well, well, once that screaming match is done, everything's alright then.

SPEAKER_05 11:31

Well, Morgan says at half time, and we see this in in this bit here. Chris Morgan captained Sheffield United at the time, uh, he said he doesn't rant at half time. I have seen a rant. I'm gonna play a little bit of this rant. This is not from this documentary, but uh, this is when it was manager Huddersfield and they were two down in an FA Cup game, and I'm just gonna play like a little bit of it.

SPEAKER_02 11:50

Look at me while I'm talking. The second goal. The fucking first goal dad, you and Chris Billy stop this shit. You let me fucking back into the motherfucking day, you know, you can fucking you get the back. It's a money to get all the jumping if you don't

Matchday Rituals And Dressing Room Control

SPEAKER_02 12:30

jump you on to it. What's your excuse there? No excuse at all, no Yeah, yes.

SPEAKER_04 12:39

Like like you say, it doesn't like a half-time man, clearly.

SPEAKER_05 12:41

No, I know, but obviously when the when the time calls, I mean that that was from like ten years previous or whatever it is, but um but yeah, they would it talks about how much he hates refs. Um I've got a bit of a not an anecdote, but I suppose it is. I met a ref once, it's exactly an anecdote, on it. If it starts with I Met, it is an anecdote, isn't it?

SPEAKER_04 12:58

Yeah, yeah, that is exactly an anecdote, yeah.

SPEAKER_05 13:01

Yeah, well, I met a ref once, uh I got an executive box, uh, Brammer Lane. Uh well I and I can't remember this ref's name, and he's a fairly not famous one, but he managed at least in championship level. I remember his name, but I can't remember it now. Um and he said he loved Warnock because we said, Oh, what's it like, you know? Because we've got to talk to this ref and all that saying, What's what were Warnock like? He goes, Oh, one of the best I've he goes, because after every game, he he'd have a go and he'd come up and say good game or whatever. Obviously, in this he done, but to this particular ref, that's what he was saying. He said he sent him a Christmas card every year.

SPEAKER_04 13:31

Yeah, I think he's I'm sure there's loads who disagree, and I'm sure it can come across as very unpleasant. But I this reaffirms to me, I'm glad we've watched this, I'm glad we've done it, because I remembered him fondly, and then I've been speaking to people fairly recently, and I read uh an article by Ben on uh pinch as well that really well written and just made me sort of made me question a little bit of of the Warnick era and how I remembered it.

SPEAKER_00 13:55

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 13:55

But actually, looking back on this, yeah, I I fully accept why people don't like him and don't get him. But this this was a great era of football for me, and he was a big part of it.

SPEAKER_05 14:05

I personally preferred him when he wasn't our manager, weirdly. When he were our manager, and after every match, you were like, Oh, we've lost 4-0, and he'd come up referee today. You think, oh, just what are you on about? Stop passing. But obviously, that's again and it's he says at the end, he says his last rant at the end is how much he sticks up for people in the press when he knows they've they've played shit, but he'll come out and say Tongi today, absolutely fantastic. You're thinking, What's he talking about? You know what I mean?

SPEAKER_04 14:30

It makes him very irritating at times, and I'm sure it makes him very bitter at times. But a lot of that is is protecting his players, I think. And whether it's conscious or whether it's just he goes into defensive mode, but I think he's not a manager who's going to come out and throw any on anyone under the bus. It just doesn't work like that.

SPEAKER_05 14:47

No, no. But anyway, this stock game finishes nil-nil, which is a poor result. If I remember rightly, I think Stock had a man sent off. It doesn't say in the documentary, but I think that's what happened. And I love this brilliant transition uh in his post-match team talk here. That's for sure.

SPEAKER_02 15:01

Why don't somebody just say it back? I don't know if you've nobody fuck it off. The stack match finished nil-nil. You've got to do it yourselves. We can't fucking shout everything. What did you do when he went back, Andy? What do you say? I'll fuck off. I'm not gonna bother you if Tom is spare, we don't need you back there.

SPEAKER_03 15:19

Fucking hell, just fucking basics. But there's nothing wrong with that, lads, is there? We're not this fucking fire. I don't want to fucking play us here and uh that's a tough one. Saturday's a tough one, all innit?

SPEAKER_04 15:30

Yeah, I love that. And this is again kind of getting into the psychology of it. I think uh I think what he's doing and and whether he's he's read books and what he's doing, but he he's he's very good at it, he'll be very critical and he'll really drag him down, but then he'll leave him on a bit of a positive or just build them up a little bit at the end so that they don't leave the dressing room completely beaten up and battered. I think he yeah, he's he's he can be critical, he'll single him out, and I think he's uh he gives him reasons for why he thinks that. But I think he's he's very quick to to praise when he sees it as well. And I think he I love our crooked, he's fucking hell, fucking I'd say what there's nothing wrong with that though, is there?

SPEAKER_05 16:08

Yeah, yeah, yeah. I saw an interview with Paul Pesky Solido used to play on Dream, and uh he said he must have Jedi mind skills. He goes, because I I scored a hat trick against Chillingham, he goes, and then he took me into office with that, he goes, I'm dropping you for the next game. He goes, and I came out delighted. Like and he goes, and I don't I still don't understand to this day why I weren't angry.

SPEAKER_04 16:25

He's got some typical moments of that as well that are so worn at Keski in this where he stood shouting and he's moaning, and as soon as somebody comes up to him, his hands go behind his back and yeah, he shuffles away back down to his dugout.

SPEAKER_05 16:37

I think he's he loved that hands behind the back.

SPEAKER_04 16:39

He did that so many times and sort of kicked off his old sometimes he's having a go because he just can't contain it, and that's when he he's just explodes. But I think there's other times a lot of it, he's he's just I I don't know, I don't I don't know if it's tactical, or I don't know if it's he believes that if you don't keep on top of the officials that they're gonna stitch him up, but he's gotta keep reminding them he's there. I don't know, I can't really define it.

SPEAKER_05 17:03

He argues everybody's a every scene in this he's arguing with someone i i in terms of when he's on the in the dugout or in on the technical area or whatever. I mean, we'll come on to this next bit actually, and it's Warnock versus Blackwell. I forgot to mention that uh the voiceover is done by James Richardson, isn't it? Do you know the Gazetta? I don't know if you noticed that.

SPEAKER_04 17:22

Oh, I didn't know.

SPEAKER_05 17:23

Yeah, obviously he used to do football tally, yeah. Um this is brilliant, though, because he describes he goes uh he says Kevin Blackwell used to be one of his friends, but now he's one of his enemies. I look like he's got enemies, like sort of a cartoon character. But Blackbull were Blackwell

Referees, Rage, And Loyalty Lines

SPEAKER_05 17:40

was Kevin Blackwell is his assistant at Sheffield United, and he left to go to Leeds without telling him. Uh and Warnot just were furious, and you can tell how he is he's even bitter about it here, isn't he?

SPEAKER_04 17:50

Yeah, and it goes back to that thing where I think it's very easy to say, oh god, it's Warner being bitter again. But I think his his point is, uh, which he's right, you know, after 13 years or 17 years or whatever it is of working together, uh it'd be nice to be told face to face and not from a journalist or a journal, I think he says. But yeah, it yeah, and I think that's absolutely right. And and Blackwell's moaning about and I never I'm not Blackwell's biggest fan anyway. No, I don't think many people are I didn't have that uh support from Neil when I moved on. It's like, well, you know, if if you took another job without telling him, surely you you expect some frustration in that. Now I'm I yeah, I don't know. Whether Warner handled it well, probably not, but I certainly understand why he would be disappointed in that.

SPEAKER_05 18:33

Yeah, I mean Blackball went on to become Sheffield United manager, and he got us to a playoff final, but it uh terrible football. And I don't know if you ever listened to Under the Cosh podcast. Uh every player who goes on that, everyone slags him off like in a massive way.

SPEAKER_04 18:48

I don't, but I think you've told me that before.

SPEAKER_05 18:50

Yeah, he's not but Walmark his last job at Middlesbrough and the ones before that Cardiff, he blackball was assistant there. So they always buried the hatchet after this documentary. Uh but then uh one of the most famous scenes is after this is uh striker Danakadamatre,

Cadamarteri Myth And Set-Piece Fury

SPEAKER_05 19:05

who's just been sick before the uh Wolves v. Uh Sheffield United game.

SPEAKER_03 19:12

I'm playing Showy. Yeah, I'm playing Showy though. I've had a great. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Bloody hell, I want you ready, lads, in there. But I'm in it, lads, eh? Sorry about that. One, two. Danny, go and get it, Batson. Going out, so I don't want to sit. That can make me feel sick if I'll cut you.

SPEAKER_05 19:27

But I want to touch on Cadama, because we think he's the unluckiest striker of all time, don't we?

SPEAKER_04 19:32

Well, yeah, like I say, this is an era when we we were going a lot. We were sat top right of the cop, top left as you look at the cop from the pitch. And it seemed like all the time Cadama used to be cutting in just round, coming in towards the goal from our side, and then just missing it, or just just putting it wide, or keeper getting a fingertip. It it seemed like I'm sure it's not this, but he could have scored about 13 a game, I remember.

SPEAKER_05 19:58

Yeah, I this is how I remember it, and I'm sure we're wrong. But I I once tweeted uh some uh someone said something about Caramatri, and I put I swear he hit the post 450 times, and he actually responded, Danny Cadamacha and put 451 actually. Uh yeah, so I I always remember him being really unlucky in the post of like saves and and just going, Why he only I looked it up, he only scored one goal for us. Oh, really? Yeah, one.

SPEAKER_04 20:22

That's crazy. I yeah, I think he should have been the top scorer in the division.

SPEAKER_05 20:28

I think he should have been in the England squad. Five margins, if these little shots I mean we've obviously misremembered this. If any any other Sheffield United fans are.

SPEAKER_04 20:36

I reckon like because every shot missed by about three or four mil, he's probably about a metre and a half away from being like Alan Shearer.

SPEAKER_05 20:43

Yeah, that's but Daddy Kevin Archer, the most unlucky man in football. But anyway, this Blades Wolves game finishes 3-3, United concede last-minute winner, and I'm gonna play basically a minute of uh of an argument here that Neil Warnock has.

SPEAKER_04 20:56

This is I think this is top management actually. I think he he he calls them out on what they've got wrong. He's given them tactics and they've not followed it. He calls them out and he's not just shouting and swearing, he's he's fuming, but he's constructive. Like you say, let's listen to it. Let's who's got him?

SPEAKER_01 21:12

Why have you got him?

SPEAKER_02 21:14

It's the way all the quick and this is the way it happens. Fucking hell.

SPEAKER_01 21:18

Fucking just do it.

SPEAKER_02 21:19

All the things are a fucking core. Who do you have to pick up you? Oh, is it fucking black and white? Or what? Who do you pick up you? Let's go. Let's go! That's fucking two minutes! Can you fucking get it the time it comes to take a fucking cake? Can you can you not get to pick him up by the time he gets from there to there? Whoever's in the fucking box, it's fucking three big ones in the back. Yes, anyways, let's go one of them! It's let's go one of them! You pickless scar! It's one of the scores! I don't fucking blame you! You pick a fucking man! This is the spare man, I take the fucking blame! It's a fucking fucking wife for you picking up.

SPEAKER_05 22:16

I I love this bit. I I I love Morgan where he says, like, I've got Karack and the other two big fuckers can't even remember the names like and it's got no no it's fucking not fucking not.

SPEAKER_02 22:29

And then he says this uh very famous line Oh it's fucking I'm sorry and all this bullshit that's a lot of ballots you've gotta fucking die to get three points if we're gonna go fucking promotion can't just keep fucking I'm sorry was it gonna be next fucking weeking hell all the fucking work and quality that you've played there and you throw it away that's a fucking set piece yeah that's become uh such a famous quote.

SPEAKER_04 22:57

I I would imagine everyone's aware of that uh if you're a football fan, even if you've not seen this, because it uh it's such an iconic sort of like I say I personally I think it's good because he's not uh he's calling out players who can clearly take it. I mean Morgues is quite happy to give him a back. Jaggy Elker's there, isn't he? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Jag's uh not afraid of an argument. You know, I think I think ultimately he is getting him to to question that actually, you know what? Uh there's a there's a line in there that's that I think is great, you know. If uh if if you leave them and they score, that's my problem, or or it's his problem because it's his man, or it's nobody's mine and that's mine, something like that. And that that's great because you do what I say, and if it goes although although I think the funny thing is if we could see the opposite where somebody does respect someone said it in him going, you can't just fucking leave a man, you can't leave him, Morgs. What you doing you fucking tell me to leave him? Because I know like Morg's point is it's not black and white Gaffla. When's when somebody there you've got to take him, and I yeah, I've never I've never been a fan of zonal marking, and I think it surprises me that that's that's well, I suppose it's man for man, really, not zonal, isn't it?

SPEAKER_05 23:58

Yeah, yeah. I mean, like I said, he basically wants them to stay rather than go back. Uh I think it I think he's trying to play the offside tracks. He says it takes fucking balls to stay.

SPEAKER_04 24:07

He wants him to be brave and stay forward, doesn't he? Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_05 24:10

But he's hard, in it, and it's last minute. Anyway, we'll uh we thought we get a draw in a in a cracker of a game, remember that one 3-3. Uh and then it's a winter break, and he takes the team to Scarborough. And

Scarborough Trip And Team Bonding

SPEAKER_05 24:20

there's a really quick scene here where I don't know if you noticed this bit, where he's talking to the one foreign player in the squad at that time, who's uh Emmanuel Gabriela. I think he's played one game, and he and he said he asks him to pick some people out to to run in the sea. And this obviously this guy don't speak English, this Gabriele. I think he's from France, Italy or France somewhere. And goes, the fucking sea. Do you understand that? The sea, yeah. The fuck then he like does like a thing, like a fucking sea, like and tries to with his hands describe this.

SPEAKER_04 24:47

I think you've slightly uh misunderstood that bit because I took from that that he asked all the players to write down the three players they dislike the least. All right, dislike the most, sorry, yeah, and that he's that's what he's trying to explain that to him, but he's giving it to everyone, and I think that's why the players that run in sea run in the sea. Ah, possibly, yeah. And then he says something there like, You see, uh, they've had the votes, and uh, this is what happens, you fuckers, or something like that.

SPEAKER_05 25:13

But this guy's obviously not understanding, and he's just because the fucking sea, do you understand that?

SPEAKER_04 25:18

The C the C, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_05 25:19

Yeah, do you understand that? Warlock is definitely enjoying this.

SPEAKER_04 25:23

I played a clip actually, Morgan describing it, but you can so much see this in sort of like uh I don't want to say cheap Warnock, but he's always out for uh if he can get something. But this is Morse describing maybe why he takes him up and round there.

SPEAKER_06 25:36

Oh he'll love it because he'll uh he'll have to take the family back to Scarborough and he'll he'll get things for free any day, but people appreciate it when the gaffer does take time out and he takes his players' places. So um if he goes back and he has a free uh free jumbo fishing chips, then that's good for him.

SPEAKER_04 25:52

Yeah, I can imagine Warnock coming in saying, uh, hey it's me again. Do you remember when I brought 30 lads in uh a couple of weeks ago? Any chance for a fish supper?

SPEAKER_05 25:59

I think uh Warnock in the on this trip is enjoying himself more than any single person here. The players look a bit bemused while they're there. Like you can see, like I don't know, Gary's on a ride at one point, Derek Gary. Yeah, he's been because he's the smallest player, they put him on a ride, and Warnock's pissing himself, and Geary's just sort of looking around a bit confused.

SPEAKER_04 26:17

Yeah, Warnock's absolutely loves this. But I mean, the one thing that kind of comes through throughout, and and I saw saying that in the in the thing that I listened to today, is that generally speaking, the players who play for him will all talk about how good a man manager he is, how you feel part of his club and his his family almost. And yeah, I mean I've heard players I can't give you names, can't remember it was, but I heard on Talk Sport there was uh a player saying when he first came to England, I think, he he was sort of a bit lost and didn't know where to be. And Warnut took him in and he was giving him family dinners at home with his family. And he sort of said, you know, he's he I think this Scarborough a bit shows that side of him that uh it might not be what all managers would do. You know, some would fly him all off to Benedome and they'd all just sit drinking in the sun, but he goes and does something that that's you know that at least he finds amusing, even if they don't it's a bit of team bonding, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_05 27:07

And Carl Sorber says in that thing today, he said something on the lines of normally you're going to like a hut or uh or well nowadays it'd be like a massive complex, I imagine, to watch the matches back, and you had to see what you've gone wrong. Yeah, yeah. He used to go around to Warnock's house, yeah. No, it's all sit and like in his I all have to squeeze into his like living room to watch the match back. You're right, you've you've done shit there, uh Sorbs. You know what I mean?

SPEAKER_04 27:28

But yeah, yeah, brilliant. But I think by by gun here, uh you know, a man from uh although we say that he he's he's doing it recently, so there's clearly something in even if he's a bit dated on some of his his shouting and his views on refs and whatever else it might be. He's he's clearly that man management side of him that's carried him through his career, I think.

SPEAKER_05 27:48

Yeah, definitely. And I think he's obviously his big thing, Warnock is as you said earlier about player psychological. I mean it handles player players in a psychological sense, and he gets that team spirit. I think he's all about the team

Millwall Tunnel Chaos And Payback

SPEAKER_05 28:00

spirit, and I think the next scene, you see that team spirit. We play Millwall away, um, and we get the classic. We're in London, aren't we? That's not we're not getting decisions because we're in London, aren't we?

SPEAKER_04 28:10

Yeah, well we're getting uh when he I like it when he gets off the coach actually, because yeah, he gets a bit of stick, but he again he's he kind of knows what he's about, and you know, and he sort of says, Oh, yeah, I normally get worse than that. I think he's not one of these who just head down walks in or headphones on, or it engages with people, even if they're basically having a go in.

SPEAKER_05 28:26

Yeah, there's one later on when we play Leeds and uh they're going, there's only one team in Yorkshire. He's going, Eh, what? Eh, yeah, there. So it's 0-0 against Millwall, and at hard time it kicks off in the tunnel. Chris Morgan flies in. Turns out Kevin Muscat, who plays for Millwall, has headbutted Paddy Kenny. But somehow Kenny's sent off, and we're not going to that, but Kenny's got a massive lump on his head, he's been headbutted, and then we find out Paddy Kenny's been sent off.

SPEAKER_04 28:50

Because we're coming together and Muscat headbutts Paddy Kenny, and and there's not really much else. I think everybody drags him apart, but yeah, Paddy Kenny gets sent off as well as Muscat, which seems crazy.

SPEAKER_05 29:00

But Morton is a shit house, it's a shit house. Get him off the game, we're getting him after people get him after the game like it's some sort of like I don't know, fucking like again. Back I don't think you get this in dressing rooms nowadays. It's just bizarre, really, when you when you think back it weren't that long ago. But I can't imagine, I don't know, Kevin De Bruyne or whatever. We'll get him after the game, gaffer, don't worry about it. Um Phil Jaggy Lacrasta going goal, United go 1-0 down, but they win 2-1, and then we get this fantastic scene where every single player, Millwall player, coming off the pitch is greeted by this.

SPEAKER_02 29:38

Hey, Sergei Rather fucking muscat.

SPEAKER_04 29:44

What I love there is how it's not like as they've turned away, as they've gone, he's turned to camera and sort of said, That's for Muscat. He's he's walking up to the faces with a grin on his face saying, Hey, that's for Muscat that you deserve that for Muscat. Brilliant. I'd love to say, did he say it to Muscat? No, because it I don't know where he is. He's I don't know if he's he's not there, is he? He's been sent off.

SPEAKER_05 30:04

No, I don't think Muscat did get sent off. I could be wrong.

SPEAKER_04 30:07

Yeah, they were both sent off.

SPEAKER_05 30:08

Oh, were they both? Sorry, I I I thought it was just Paddy were being sent off, but uh yeah, it'd be brilliant. Like if it had gone up to Muscat said, That's for Muscat now. Um you know it's after um Warlock says something like, Oh,

Superstition Stories And Striker Obsession

SPEAKER_05 30:20

we don't need a keeper, and he cuts to Paddy Kenny like sort of smile. He's sat in exactly the same place as he were at half time.

SPEAKER_04 30:27

Yeah, obviously he's not has he not moved, he's probably got concussion, he's got a big massive bruise at a long time. They've just left him there, haven't they, for the second half? Yeah, and the next bit is sorry, go on. Yeah, and and throughout this as well, what we've seen is how superstitious Neil Warnock is. And I think he's only half joking when he sort of says he doesn't want to change things, he's gonna leave Jags in net for the next game.

SPEAKER_05 30:46

Well there's a there's a story, isn't there, about when Sheffield are playing Sheffield Wednesday uh at home and he would uh what player was it? And he said he he told the player we were gonna play. I can't remember what player it were. And he told the player we were gonna play anyway, and um and then like that morning he said, I'm sorry, you you cut you're not playing because my wife had a dream uh that Alan Quinn were gonna score today. Um so um and he said he were absolutely few. I can't remember what player it were now. I don't know if I've heard that or not, but I think it might have been on Sheffield's night away that actually. I can't remember what player it were. But anyway, so he didn't play, but Alan Quinn did score, so maybe maybe she's the genius behind Warnock.

SPEAKER_04 31:24

Yeah, yeah, maybe so.

SPEAKER_05 31:25

Yeah, um I can't remember. You know, it's uh Paul Eiffel playing for them as well. That's who it were. That's who it were. Paul Eiffel had been dropped and he put Alan Quinn in. That's who it were. All right, well, he's playing for them in this one. Yeah, yeah, because he's got he's one of who gets uh uh one of the people who gets to that's for Muscat, don't I? But yeah, he's he Warnock said he had a dream, uh his wife had a dream, and Alan Quinn scored. So on the day of the game he dropped Eiffel. Eiffel said he was furious, but then he scored. So he said he couldn't say anything.

SPEAKER_04 31:51

Um well, yeah. I suppose he weren't trying to get his missus to dream all the time. But try and dream about game, won't you, love?

SPEAKER_05 31:57

Yeah, trying I reckon that's a dream about it. Well, I wonder if she didn't dream about it and he just had a change of heart but didn't want to. I don't know if that was part of it. I don't know. Uh next bit is uh a bad season.

SPEAKER_04 32:07

I wonder if you said to uh Eiffel after a game, uh, that's for my wife's dream that is.

SPEAKER_05 32:10

That's for my wife's dream, that's for Quinny. Uh yeah, Warnock's after a striker. I can't put into words for people who don't support Sheffield United out. Many strikers, Neil Warnock signed. Uh he loves a striker, he loves an average striker.

SPEAKER_04 32:24

I think his problem is it as he said in various different things I've listened to, but it's evident in this nobody's ever given him money. And it's a tough one, really, because I I think there's almost a sort of thing of ah, he's no good at the top level because he's no good at like but nobody's ever given him the money to have a gamble at it, so yeah. We'll never know. I think he's always been by.

SPEAKER_05 32:46

Although you say this the season after this when United get promoted, um we signed Akin Baye and Jeff Orsefield for a lot of money, and they were both, but I can imagine he had to fight tooth and nail just to get anything, and that's all he could get.

SPEAKER_04 33:00

I can't imagine he was given a kind of right, is your war chest, go and buy one. I think he probably had to make a case for about 30 different players.

SPEAKER_05 33:07

I mean, I think this I think what he did throughout his career, I I think he when he did have money to spend it at other clubs as as well, he didn't seem to spend it that wisely. I think he he loved more than anything finding a player who would just sort of fall on off the straight and narrow, you know what I mean? And like someone and he could get him back to the former glories, yeah, yeah. And we see in this this scene is after.

SPEAKER_04 33:27

But what I would say though is that you get a name for people like that, but but he could never go out and get the talent, they weren't gonna spend on a top scoring player. He had to take a gamble on someone, and I know I can buy was was a a decent

McCabe, Money, And Reputation Battles

SPEAKER_04 33:40

signing for us, and that probably was about as big a gamble as we're ever gonna take, but they were never gonna go out and let him get top level. I mean, you can see the board wanted uh big Duncan Ferguson.

SPEAKER_05 33:50

This is the I I looked into this. Kevin McKay, the chairman of Sheffield United at the time, Warnock's after striker, and Kevin McKay brings up randomly Duncan Ferguson because he wants to get more people in the ground, which is classic McCabe. Uh he's uh definitely more interested in uh off the pitch stuff than on the pitch stuff.

SPEAKER_04 34:09

Yeah, so so exactly that. He's not now I'd have loved Dunc Ferguson to come to Chef United. I think he's our sort of style of player and I really like him, but yeah, McCabe's not buying him because he thinks that's a good fit for what Warnick needs. He's trying to buy him to get more fans and ultimately more money in. Yeah, he says we could get an extra couple of thousand on gay, and then Warnock says the sort of thing after this is obviously this this doesn't finish his whole career at Chef United. It's only a snapshot of it. But I thought it's really interesting that when he came, we're only getting 8,000 fans, and when he left, we were getting 28,000 fans.

SPEAKER_05 34:39

To be fair, but he does embellish that. We got 8,000 fans on one particular game before the day the game before he came in. The 8,000 were a bit of a and it I think it was 9,000 as well, because he mentions this in every interview, like they were getting 8,000. I'm pretty sure the average attendance that season was something like 14, which is not great. Yeah, it's still not great, and obviously now we're getting 27 or whatever we are. So I'm not knocking knocking him for that, but he does bring that up a lot. The eight he does that quite a lot. He's like obviously making it.

SPEAKER_04 35:08

I think the biggest problem is that he we're not summarising this documentary now, are we? We're just talking about Warnock. But I personally I I think he doesn't get the credit he deserves. He's he's got a lot of promotions, I think he's he's done a lot on very low budgets. He tends to be brought in when there's not a lot of money to be spent and they need someone just to gel a team. I I think he he feels he's got to make these claims because uh he feels I don't know, he probably has to justify some of what he's done. He he he doesn't ever get introduced as you know successful manager, he gets introduced as almost journeyman Neil Warner. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. But anyway, back to the. Sorry, we we met McCabe, didn't we? And uh he described him as a prostitute, didn't I?

SPEAKER_05 35:48

Yeah, yeah, Kevin McCabe did say Neil Warner was a prostitute. We should like for legal reasons say I don't think you were talking about literally. Uh well he didn't he didn't make it clear one way or another, but no, he didn't, but I think he was talking more about uh he Warner hauled himself out, I think is uh what he were uh getting out to other clubs to get himself.

SPEAKER_04 36:06

Chase the Yankee dollar was his point. Although, yeah, to be fair, uh and again, this is this is a bit of a tangent, but what I found really interesting on that uh Warnut thing, the um one of our own, apparently when we got promoted, there was nothing in his contract about a pay rise or any bonuses or anything like that. So he kind of went away celebrating in that, and I think his missus had sort of said, Oh, you know, what does this change? And he and he sort of said something like, Oh, you know, Kevin will see me right, or something like that.

SPEAKER_05 36:34

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 36:34

I think they basically gave him nothing, he just carried on on his same contract. Yeah, same contract. If he could get him top four in the Prem, then there'd be like a decent payoff then for him. But yeah, what ridiculous target that is.

SPEAKER_05 36:47

That that season we went down in the Premier League. You remember Sean Bean's outburst at the end? Sean Bean were on the board at Sheffield United and when hey, he maybe would have stayed up if it weren't for one man talking about his contract all tight. Absolutely, and obviously there's that scene, there's there's uh all that uh thing about where Sean Bean came in and apparently saying was shouting and swearing at Warner. Threatening him in front of his kids or something. Threatening in front of his kids, that's what Warnock says. Rumoured, yeah. Yeah, Warnock says that Sean Bean, I'd love to have seen that, came flying into the dressing room and uh started having a go at him in front of his kids.

SPEAKER_04 37:19

Like dressed as sharp as well when he did it, like bursting in it, uniform. Bastards.

SPEAKER_05 37:25

Yeah, uh, just on Duncan Ferguson before we go, I looked to whether this would have been a good sign or not. He scored one goal after this season, like for the rest of his career. Big dunk. Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 37:37

Yeah, but he was a he was an enforcer though, weren't he?

SPEAKER_05 37:40

Yeah, but I think Warlock were right not to sign him. Um but then we get to a pivotal point of the season where Cheffe Knight will play the top three in a month, and uh we lose more.

unknown 37:50

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 37:52

Uh and there's another great bit here where the great fuming to positive transition where he he he switches it.

SPEAKER_02 37:58

Fucking canvas more, can we? Yeah, you can do a fucking lot more. You can start from first fucking whistle. Fucking hellfire. I know the mobs you've got a neckie like that. We fucking let everybody lose a bounce first off, everywhere! Then first off, fucking off my misty's gonna fucking play against him. Now second half, he's won everything! Ganale, fucking 70-30 second half! Everybody! Fucking everybody! Not just money, yeah!

SPEAKER_01 38:28

Everybody and fucking team! Let's get in. Matthew's fucking disappointing, all of a disappointing. But fucking take the positives out of that. Take the positives out of that.

SPEAKER_04 38:38

Yeah, the void is out, and it's not even a transition, it's just uh it's lamp pod, innit? It's uh seriously, yeah. Um it's I don't know, it's weird because obviously this time round I I knew, and I suppose I was there even, but when when this documentary first came out, it came out on DVD that you could go and buy in a club shop, in it. Yeah, yeah. But you bought it. Yeah, you didn't say that to the wilder public. Maybe could Chef United did that as like a dodgy backdoor thing. I'm not sure, but but yeah, you lent it me. And I remember my my cousin lives in a place called Corby um nearest Leicester. There's a lot of Scottish there from Glasgow, but anyway, I took that down there and watched it, and I remember watching it uh at a house party that I was at. I took it and we put it on in other room.

SPEAKER_05 39:25

You put a warnup documentary on it. A house party.

SPEAKER_04 39:27

I didn't take it for that reason, I took it to lend it someone.

SPEAKER_05 39:30

That's amazing. That might part a warn-up documentary. Come on.

SPEAKER_04 39:33

We ended up putting it on in a room, and like slowly, loads of people were drifting from like where all the music was in sort of kitchen and front of the house. They were drifting, there were loads of people crammed in this room watching this Warnup documentary at one bit. Oh, I was

Iconic Touchline Clips And Arsenal Away

SPEAKER_04 39:45

like, I think somebody actually took it. I I never saw it again after that.

SPEAKER_05 39:48

So Party Boy Liam fucking bringing his Walnut documentary. Here he is, look with his Warnuck document. Um yeah, uh there's a this is where we come to probably the most famous thing in it all. This is when Warnut's having a this is just a compilation of Warnut ranting at a linesman and a ref when we lost two and ultra rip switch.

SPEAKER_02 40:52

When you feel disappointed, or when you think I just made a mistake, it's alright. You'll think that'll change warm up. What's it saying? What's it saying?

SPEAKER_01 41:04

Hutchinson, thank you very much. I've never seen her like him. I've never seen her like it in my life.

SPEAKER_04 41:10

This is the bit I remember from from watching it last time is this particular scene where you've gotta see that. Then he says someone else, tell him he's gotta see that. Then he tells one of his players, get out and warm up, tell him he's gotta see that.

SPEAKER_00 41:23

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 41:23

I love how this point is so burned in his mind, he's got to have seen it.

SPEAKER_00 41:27

He goes, What the fucking hell's going on?

SPEAKER_04 41:30

I mean again, uh perhaps watching it through biased eyes, I think he's I think he's got a point again.

SPEAKER_05 41:37

I think that uh as well, I don't what I don't understand. Why does he have cockney when he says fucking as well? Fucking hell. Fucking hell, yeah. Like he's I don't know why why he goes cockney when he says it. But yeah, that that's uh I remember that game. I think it was just better than us personally, but uh then it's Arsenal away in the cup, we draw one one, he's absolutely delighted. I love it.

SPEAKER_04 41:57

It cuts to him uh as well, doesn't it? Um is that before or after this when it cuts to him in church singing his hymns?

SPEAKER_05 42:03

Er I don't know if I've got that right. Uh yeah, I think yeah, I think you're right, yeah. Yeah, no, it's after the Arsenal game. Sorry, yeah, I've got this here. Yeah, but it is it before the replay? It's before the replay. So we draw one-one with Arsenal, then he goes, I saw one of beat Plymouth, mate. I saw one I beat Plymouth. We'll lose 3-0. And then it's in church, he's got a terrible voice, by the way. I don't know if you heard it. Fucking hell.

SPEAKER_04 42:23

Fucking hell, it's like but yeah, he's uh I mean his house is a nice pad as well, isn't it? He's got he's got a nice place down there.

SPEAKER_05 42:29

Um it's like a nice little village down there, I like it. Uh but he's reading the paper, isn't he? Fuming what Wenger's been saying in the paper about him. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Do you reckon any other manager reads the the Sunday tabloid papers about their own match?

SPEAKER_04 42:44

Um current manager. Who do I think would read the tabloid press? Sean Dyche. Big the big Dyeshe?

SPEAKER_05 42:56

No, no, I think he I don't care what they say, my bothered.

SPEAKER_04 43:02

I can imagine maybe Lampard taking it all very seriously, like, oh what have they said? I'd better have a look at it.

SPEAKER_05 43:09

I think Matt Lampard, from what I can gather, would be more of a Daily Mail reader.

SPEAKER_04 43:12

Yeah, but I think he'd he'd like to sort of almost a bit of a Kevin Keegan side to him of like Oh, Keegan and have read him, yeah.

SPEAKER_05 43:18

Oh yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 43:20

Can you imagine Frank being a little bit similar now? Like, oh come on, I've got you know I've got to see both sides to it. What have they been saying about him?

SPEAKER_05 43:27

And then being furious after. One of the best interviews of all time is uh Frank Lampard when Palace beat him 4-0, and he just basically says all their goals were shit, so they don't count. Yeah. Brilliant that. Anyway, the replay comes, we lose to Arsenal, and uh Warnock's uh We lose all penalties, by the way. Yeah, it's a fantastic performance, brilliant match there, Satch a nil nil, but yeah, it was a real good game. And um, yeah, and Warnock says, Shagu you want, you know what I mean? Go out, do what, get pissed, because obviously before that, he told him before the Plymouth game, he'd told him to. All be professional and they got hammered. And you see that run by Stuart McCall. Stuart McCall's assistant manager. Er, no. You could shag who you want, get pissed. McCall goes running out of dressing room as if you'd like to do it like then, then there. Brilliant.

SPEAKER_04 44:14

McCall looks exactly the same in this, by the way, as he does now to me.

SPEAKER_05 44:16

I was looking at this documentary and I were amazed at how many players in this documentary are still involved with United in some way or another. Now you've got McCall who's just again the assistant manager. You've got Del Geary who's Academy Manager. Carl's Lok Morgan and Tong all work for SU TV. There's probably others in there as well.

SPEAKER_04 44:34

Um yeah, I can't think of any others. But yeah, yeah. But I think they did create that that family feel. And yeah, I hope what comes across in this to non-United fans is that yeah, he's a bit of a shouting madman, but there's a warmth there that it might not be easy to see at a distance, but I think it is there.

SPEAKER_05 44:53

This is again, this is feels like a documentary from the 90s, this I think. And it's not, it's it's only just after the 90s. But this is

Deadline Day Deals And Dressing Room Lines

SPEAKER_05 45:00

a guy who's still in football up until last season at Middlesbrough as well, a big club, not talking like he went down to the conference, he were in the championship. Um deadline day, he signs Danny Weber, and then he starts talking about Marcus Gale, going, Is he is he available then? Yeah, I'd like him.

SPEAKER_04 45:15

Yeah, I love everything about that scene. I love how Day at his office looks with this terrible wallpaper. I love how he's got Danny Weber in as this sort of youngest lad who's just signed on deadline day, and and he's instantly trying to sort of wheedle out phone numbers of players he might be able to get at. Have you got his number? Is he fit? I'd like him, mate.

SPEAKER_05 45:37

I don't imagine that happened at Middlesbrough last season. You're like with Steve Gibson, Middlesbrough chairman, going. Has that has that got his number? To like, I don't know, what more, or someone like oh, I just can't just such a bit as well where he's he's been on phone to Mark Hughes now. Yeah. I I don't know, I just it's really funny because he says he's not got back to me yet, Mark. My Mark Hughes is like, oh fucking hot, it's him.

SPEAKER_04 45:59

But yeah, I just I don't know, you kind of imagine that the way things are done is you speak to the board and you say, Look, I'm interested in this guy, can you make the approach? It sounds like he's phoning people left, right, and centre all the time.

SPEAKER_05 46:10

I I imagine things must have changed. You've got transfer committees and everything now, and we know certain managers we Chris Wilder, our last manager, a couple of managers ago, furious for like with people not getting deals over the line and stuff. So it can't happen like this now, but it like you say, it does seem like Walmark's conducting all the transfers.

SPEAKER_04 46:27

Yeah, yeah. And uh sorry, yeah, yeah. Is that where we get this uh famous line with Cosluck as well that I love?

SPEAKER_05 46:35

Where it says this is coming up now, so we get uh we we we play just before that where we play Leeds and uh away from Ahmed Ellen Rowan, he's on the pitch before talking to the lads. I love how nonchalantly it tells uh Andy Liddle is on the bench. Play a little clip here.

SPEAKER_03 46:50

I don't want you know, not straight, I just want to see you fucking just do your job on there, whoever it is. I don't know whether Jensen or Derry or anybody is. I think you can give it that bit more quality. Um I think Lebgy can play with Lebson off gap. Uh we'll see when we get TQ about what we do, mate. I think it's made a mate. I don't want you to try and enjoy it tonight. Are you I don't want you back 30 odd thousand it? You're unweight in me, aren't you? Ruby for score. Liz, you're on bench. I'm gonna put you on bench. Sorry, son.

SPEAKER_05 47:19

You're on bench, son. He's really like talking. I think it's Jackie Elk's talking to me. Why you waiting to do him? Get in here, don't be scared, get in. Liz, you're on bench, son. But yeah, this this scene you're on about with Coslock, uh, I'll play it here.

SPEAKER_03 47:34

You've got to be a good fucking player to wear them, Cos. No.

SPEAKER_04 47:38

Yeah, I love that line. I I remember laughing at that when I first saw it. Um and actually they said today, uh, was it Coslo or was it Geary? I can't remember they were asking him about um I think it was Geary actually. Did he cause you problems with sort of pranks? And he said, no, it's great having people like that around because he knew kind of when not to press the button and when when it was alright to have a bit of a laugh and a joke, and you do need people who can diffuse that pressure. There's a bit as well, by the way, there when I I don't know if it's when we're playing leads, but when ball comes across and Warnock actually boots it, yeah, pretend boots it into the net. I know you see managers on sidelines sort of twitch or like half do

Fans, Stubbornness, And Season Fallout

SPEAKER_04 48:15

ahead of it. He does he runs and does a full kick as if he's a ball.

SPEAKER_05 48:18

There's a bit here, which is the worst part about Warnock, I think. Um this is I remember we did Blaze Pod and we covered the season after this, and Ben just said this fucking sums Warnock all. They're all United fans have been warn up, gears a wave, warn up, warn up, gears a wave. And I'll play the clip here.

SPEAKER_02 48:36

Fucking give them away. Fucking no fucking judging me now in a week.

SPEAKER_05 48:49

And I just think that is even then he's picking a fight, it's almost like he can't accept any praise. It's like, yeah, football fans are fickle, everybody knows that. And I imagine, you know, the week before somewhere on Radio Sheffield going, he's gotta go Warnock, his rubbish. But every every club's like that, and the singing his name is like give him a wave.

SPEAKER_04 49:09

I mean it it doesn't even do the token gesture and just raise the hand, does it? No, no, yeah. I think he's a he's a stubborn man. I think I don't think he holds a grudge in a sense of when his players have let him down. I think he he moves on. I think he can get on with that. But I think if if you've wronged him away from the pitch, oh yeah, that that grudge is gonna stay, isn't it?

SPEAKER_05 49:31

But so these we're we're coming towards the end now. United, after that 4-0 win, you think they're gonna push on, they actually win one of the last six and miss out on the playoffs. And he's so I think that speech at the end is is probably the best it one of the better managerial sort of speeches I've seen because he it's the only time he really does go in on the players, says they're a soft touch, as they've got no aggression, and they're not gonna be bothered because they're gonna be flying off on their holidays, and he says he's gonna replace him, and you think uh but he did, and we got promotion the next season.

SPEAKER_04 50:00

Yeah, it clearly uh you know they clearly let him down in those few games, and you know one of the things that's quite interesting about it is because I think they just picked a random season, you assume you're watching this because something happened, yeah. Yeah, it's you know it's they win a cup at the end, or they get promoted at the end, or they get relegated at the end, but it it all feels quite in terms of the actual documentary as a set piece, it it's quite it's quite a bit of a letdown, really. It feels like today when I was watching it, I'd I'd watched it again yesterday, but today when I was watching it, I'd I'd got it in the background while doing something else, and I was sort of surprised when it just finished, and I thought, oh yeah, that's where it ends.

SPEAKER_05 50:38

Well, there's a brilliant bit at the end, I think, where it there's a lap of honour, and he walks out and he's getting booed, like really clearly getting booed, like audibly, it's not just a few people, yeah. And he still does the lap of honour, and I don't know if I respect him for that, or it's almost like Donald Trump sort of smile out of this where and he ends up sort of swaggering into a tunnel with like a smile on his face. Massive smile, you can hear people boo, and he still does it. He was so close to getting fired here. I think I think he I think McCabe was so close to getting rid of him, but he didn't, and we got promoted.

SPEAKER_04 51:11

The problem is, and again, I think it the reason we kept it, I think McKay wanted him out of here, but I think it'd cost money to replace him, so they kind of let him go again because they didn't want to for one, they didn't want to pay somebody else, and for two, they didn't want to uh someone coming in who were gonna ask for a big transfer budget.

SPEAKER_05 51:28

To be fair, you know, I'd give him a little bit of money the season after. We bought Eiffel for a bit of money. Um Shipley came in, he wanted to be on loads. But we didn't spend loads.

SPEAKER_04 51:36

Yeah, we didn't spend Stead. How long after this did we get stead?

SPEAKER_05 51:40

Yeah, because seen earlier where he talks about again, people have fallen off the trade. Now, John Stead was seen as this like at the time, like just before this documentary, where or the up and coming new striker Blackburn had signed him, and he did nothing at Blackburn. And he wants him, and he never did anything. And again, it's another typical Warnock signing in that I can get some art of this lad. And he signed him in the Premier League so two seasons after this, and he was fantastic for us in the Premier League. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And he's again he's done not really he had a great career stead at lower league and stuff, but he never really might well never got back to the Premier League as far as I remember.

SPEAKER_04 52:12

I like the sort of humour as well in the end, in that yeah, despite him slagging off refs all the way through, it finishes with him refereeing a game at Matlock, I think, is it? Yeah, um, which takes it right back to where it started, obviously. And yeah, I think he's he's still quite strong. I heard him today slagging off referees again, and and he's insistent that you know, and I think this is a bit missed though. He he he praises referees sometimes as well. And he was talking about uh a young ref that they've put in the VAR you know, he needs time to become a good ref. Don't drop him into this environment. And you know, I think for all of his uh perceived uh uh hatred of referees, I think he he does want to make them better. I I don't think he's just saying things you know, I think he'll say the same in ten years when he's finished football as he was doing Angley on the touchline. I think he's disappointed in the standing of refereeing and thinks there are ways it could be better.

SPEAKER_05 53:04

Yeah, I completely agree. And I think, like I say, as a manager when he managed us, I would I was pretty happy when he left. In hindsight, I were probably wrong, and we probably should have got rid of him. But obviously, we're reviewing the documentary. I know we talked a lot about Warnock and gone on tangents and stuff, and it's a f I just watched it. I think it's a fantastic football documentary. There's this, there's uh Club for a fiver, which is about late in order, which I still think is probably my favourite ever.

SPEAKER_00 53:27

That's really good.

SPEAKER_05 53:28

Yeah, I think that's my favourite ever football documentary. There's the Barry Fry one, which I think is a little bit more stage than this, the Barry Fry one. I think Fry definitely plays up to the cameras. But that's that's a good one as well. But this is up there.

SPEAKER_04 53:38

Yeah, yeah, yeah, definitely.

Final Thoughts And How To Reach Us

SPEAKER_04 53:40

So um, yeah, that takes us to the end of the Neil Warnock documentary.

SPEAKER_05 53:46

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