This Is How Systems Rot | Cabin Fever 9

Cabin Fever is back and we’re all over the place in the best way. We start with a classic “Balloon Boy” throwback and how easy it is for nonsense to hijack the whole news cycle, then jump into real life updates like gardening, chickens, and trying to build actual self reliance skills.

From there it gets darker fast. Car theft tech, why everything feels more unstable, and a quick look at a wealth gap chart that honestly feels like a punch in the face. We talk about how the people in power don’t build for the long term anymore, why that mindset matters, and what it does to society.

We wrap with a story from DC that shows how broken incentives really are, using the Bayer Supreme Court fight as an example of how money and lobbying can reshape outcomes, even when the human cost is obvious. 

Transcript

SPEAKER_09 0:00

Welcome into Cabin Fever episode number 10. I dressed for the occasion, gentlemen. I did too. Put out eight or nine. Uh huh.

SPEAKER_08 0:12

It's the number 10. We still have it. Yeah, true. Eight or nine got held up.

SPEAKER_09 0:15

We're fixing the system up a little bit. We were doing those fancy intros at the beginning. We're probably going to nix those in the effort of like we'll find an intro.

SPEAKER_08 0:22

Just for the time being, right? We'll get it just a nice standard. Oh, yeah.

SPEAKER_09 0:26

Just a little standard boy. We can just slide it in.

SPEAKER_08 0:29

And we're halfway there. We're up. We've got that. That's easy.

SPEAKER_09 0:32

We're just in the mode of improving and optimizing. We want to bring the content so that we can keep people up to date. You enjoy our presence for some reason or another. Is that burb? Dude, I think there was an earthquake. What the guys? So whenever you're listening to us on cars, gym, at work, whatever, at school, don't do that. Don't do that. The whole point is we're able to connect in community. We're able to do that a little bit digitally. And today, as always, we're in our basement. Somewhere in an undisclosed location in Delaware, joined as always by Mr. Sean Wright. What's up, guys? Did you purposely wear a bird shirt today? Is that like your thing for the Cabin Fever Pop?

SPEAKER_02 1:14

Yeah.

SPEAKER_09 1:14

I don't really have that much to pick. I've only ever seen a bird.

SPEAKER_02 1:19

I really don't have that much. Like, like, I don't know. All the other shirts are just like workout shirts, and I just have some bird shirts. Bird shirt in the merch? Yeah. Yeah, that's true. I feel like I have three levels of clothing. I have gym, I have bird shirts, and then I have like button-ups.

SPEAKER_08 1:32

I have an idea, a shirt that says top 50 birds of the worlds, but it's all fighter jet.

SPEAKER_09 1:41

With the kill counts next to each other. Oh god. It's like a patriotic shirt. Or the birds work for the bourgeoisie. It's not one I subscribe to, but it's a fun one.

SPEAKER_08 1:51

Sean, actually, were you were you into the birds aren't real movement? Do you remember that?

SPEAKER_02 1:56

I do remember that. I remember giving up with it.

SPEAKER_08 1:58

That was before I got really into burger.

SPEAKER_02 1:59

Wasn't that kind of satirical?

SPEAKER_09 2:02

I don't know. Yeah. I thought he was kind of like making it.

SPEAKER_02 2:04

When he was on the news, he was very serious.

SPEAKER_09 2:07

I think he was trying to get people to believe something crazy. Yeah, like a what I took it as eventually. Because he does seem really serious about it. Yeah. Did you follow closely, Joe?

SPEAKER_08 2:18

Do you was it satirical? I just thought it was really some of the best commitment to the bit that I've ever seen.

SPEAKER_09 2:23

Right, right, right, right.

SPEAKER_02 2:25

Like a Borat type. Like Yeah, it definitely was.

SPEAKER_09 2:27

It was fun. Let me see how what crazy cockamanny thing I could get a group of people to rock with. I could get on the news talking about it.

SPEAKER_08 2:35

It just shows how like how much more open to fun we were back then, you know? I feel like that wouldn't survive in today's content climate. You remember the weather boy? No. The kid that got stuck in the weather balloon? No.

SPEAKER_09 2:48

You guys, oh man, we're looking this up.

SPEAKER_08 2:50

I remember the Chinese weather balloon and how everyone acted like the world was gonna end it. Oh, I do remember that.

SPEAKER_09 2:55

I do remember that.

SPEAKER_02 2:56

I remember clowns in 2016. Everybody was like, oh my god, there's clowns everywhere. Yeah, we need to.

SPEAKER_09 3:00

That was a weird one. We need to bring some of that. Check this out. That's not it at all. This is Netflix. What is this? Can I go? What's going on? Yeah.

SPEAKER_08 3:09

This is it. It's on Netflix now. They made a document. Dude, they make documents. It's been a home-built UFO powered by helium.

SPEAKER_05 3:15

It looks like this Jiffy Pop thing floating across the sky. I couldn't wrap my head around it. It's so bizarre that you want to laugh. What is this thing? This is a Chinese. It turns serious.

SPEAKER_08 3:27

No, a guy just made a fake UFO and a bunch of people freaked out because they thought it was real.

SPEAKER_09 3:33

That's hilarious. Um, I'm gonna go to YouTube.

SPEAKER_08 3:36

We're gonna find Dude, we want to believe in supernatural powers so bad.

SPEAKER_09 3:42

I think aliens are real. Do you think they're gonna disclose it to distract and make people realize there's aliens? Probably. Do you think they're aliens?

SPEAKER_02 3:51

Yeah. Yeah. Definitely. I think they exist. I don't think they're close to us, though. Really? There's a lot of different like I've heard different theories. I think it's a good thing.

SPEAKER_08 3:58

Wouldn't we have spotted them with a telescope by now? Like if they were close.

SPEAKER_02 4:02

Like spiritual is kind of like another thing. Guys, I've played New Man's Sky.

SPEAKER_06 4:06

If I understand correctly, our yet captivating stories dominated the news here on Denver Seven and across the same thing.

SPEAKER_01 4:14

We all watched a homemade balloon flow thousands of feet believing a six-year-old boy was trapped inside.

SPEAKER_06 4:30

Well, we know how this story ends, too. After a frantic chase and search, that little boy was never in the balloon, and the story turned out to be a hoax and publicity stunt.

SPEAKER_01 4:39

So now, ten years later, Denver Sevens Nicole Brady is revisiting this story.

SPEAKER_09 4:44

Is this the one you were talking about? Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 4:45

And Nicole, you spoke to the.

SPEAKER_09 4:46

And it just turns out he was just in the house, hidden somewhere.

SPEAKER_08 4:50

That's cool.

SPEAKER_02 4:51

So who was lying? The parents?

SPEAKER_09 4:52

The parents.

SPEAKER_08 4:53

That's a good prank. That's a weird one. That's a good prank.

SPEAKER_07 5:00

My son's in a balloon in the air.

SPEAKER_08 5:02

What? Here's why that's a good prank. Because this is what happened. The dude. Because you know it was the husband. What are these? Golden K-pop demonstrations song.

SPEAKER_09 5:11

Who's been using my YouTube song? Justin Bieber baby lyrics.

SPEAKER_08 5:15

That's definitely it's gotta be your.

SPEAKER_09 5:17

What's going on? What? That's me. It's gotta be your what's just cass.

SPEAKER_02 5:21

Just kick ass.

SPEAKER_08 5:23

Oh. Is this uh Is it clearly not people?

SPEAKER_09 5:26

AI generated influencer? Yes. I hate family influencers so much.

SPEAKER_08 5:31

Not clear that it's your daughter.

unknown 5:33

She has that on my YouTube channel.

SPEAKER_08 5:36

Oh, we're gonna have to figure out what's going on here.

SPEAKER_02 5:37

Is that really like what's popular on YouTube? Like, there's really like a big group of people that love that stuff.

SPEAKER_08 5:42

Yeah, my sister's uh kids watch family YouTubers all the time. So the funny thing about the balloon boy is because here's what you have to know it was obviously the husband's idea to build a fake UFO. I don't know any follow-up on it. No, listen, listen. Just think through it. Like you're like, you know, it would be really cool if I made a fake UFO to see if people thought it was real. That didn't come from the wife. So the husband had that idea first on his own, and then so he just spent free time in the garage or shed trying to build a helium UFO. Right. Then he builds it and he shows it to his wife, and he's like, babe, how fucking sick is this? And she's like, That's really cool. But then now he has the idea. What if we played a prank that we put our son in there and sent him off and we couldn't catch him? And then he had to convince his wife to be in on that. I w that's the documentary I need to see. Is how he convinced her to be like, dude, you know that UFO fake UFO I built? What if we pretended we put our son in it and send him? Could you imagine if you're not gonna be able to do that's how the prank happened on it?

SPEAKER_09 6:48

It might have started, excuse me, with him just like wanting to convince his neighborhood. Yes! That's exactly it. And then somebody brought it to the authorities and they're like, yo, this is crazy. And then the media picks it up. And that wife didn't even want to do this in the first place, now having to just play into the bit.

SPEAKER_08 7:06

I want to know how many iterations of tests he got were like, because the first one he did, and he was like, Oh, it works. And he was like, Doesn't look real though. And then he had to go back and make it look more real. And he was like, I bet I could trick people with this. And then he goes, Babe, I have an idea. To what end? Just for the hell of it? How but how good of a wife, though, to be like, sure, babe. Yeah, supporting. Tell people we put our son in a fake UFO balloon and that he's missing in the sky. That's where I would go.

SPEAKER_02 7:34

That's a good wife. Like you're saying your child is in danger.

SPEAKER_09 7:37

Like, what do you false imprisonment, fake in prison? I don't know. I don't know. Fake endangerment. Yeah, it's like lying about what about misuse of public uh I guess you didn't call the cops. When did you bring the law? You got like that.

SPEAKER_08 7:54

But I feel like you could get away with it if you just like told your neighbors and then your neighbors called the cops, you're like, whoa, whoa, whoa, we didn't ask you. People are saying this. Yeah, you can check my phone records. We never asked them to do that. Yeah, there's gotta be some legality where if you don't do it, you can get away with it. Like, what if you were like, my cow's missing? Probably wouldn't call the cops, right? Right. So look, that's the thing. If he was like the dogs in the UFO, they would have been like that fucking crazy, bro. Wow.

SPEAKER_09 8:23

So it had to be- I don't know, that might have still gone national.

SPEAKER_08 8:26

It had to be a boy.

SPEAKER_09 8:27

Little little yellow lab stuck in the UFO.

SPEAKER_02 8:30

We've sent animals into space to die before, so I'm sure they wouldn't care that. Have we? It's what I'm saying, yeah. To die? Yeah, that'd be like we knew they'd die.

SPEAKER_08 8:38

Monkeys. Yeah. Zach's locked in. What? You don't know about animal. I know they've gone to the monkey in space. Zach, you don't know that we've tested all of the dangerous shit on animals. I understand that on Earth. I'm talking about space now. I love how we're gonna be able to do that. We skipped how was the week. Yeah, we did. We went right into it. Zach was just like, do you know that balloon boy? Right out the gate.

SPEAKER_10 9:00

Yes, numerous animals have been sent to space with the knowledge they would likely not survive, or specifically to study the effects of death, survival, and space. Notable examples.

SPEAKER_09 9:10

1957, the Soviet dog was the first animal in orbit on Sputnik 2. You imagine being a dog in space? You go from like living in a house and daily routine of eating the same thing, same people, same yard, and then you're in space? Just going to the vet, side space. Like what is he thinking during the launch?

SPEAKER_02 9:31

What is going on? Poor ass dog, bro. It died from overheating and panic. Like, what the heck? Yeah, there he goes. Yeah, I could assume. And then, of course, Gordo died uh due to failure of recovery equipment. Just like, damn, all right.

SPEAKER_09 9:46

Died upon impact. Albert 2. Oh, damn. Several dogs died during suborbital flight due to capsule.

SPEAKER_10 9:54

Good lord.

SPEAKER_09 9:54

It seems a lot of Soviet though. This primates are US. Have America done this?

SPEAKER_08 9:59

Oh, yeah.

SPEAKER_09 10:04

Yeah, yeah, yeah. We were trendsetters. But those are monkeys. So? I was like, we sent dogs. That's what I didn't know. I didn't know if it was because anytime you see like the cartoon of like an animal in space, it's always a monkey. So I never knew the dog thing. What cartoons are you watching? I don't see that. And you know that's been in card. No, I don't. Joe, back me up. Don't make me sound crazy. What? You've never seen like the cartoon of like if a cartoon is something going to space is an animal, it's always a monkey in space. Like I uh is just so philosophical now.

SPEAKER_08 10:35

I thought this is a pretty well accepted take. I've seen all of the Mickey Mouse crew go to space. I mean, what are we doing?

SPEAKER_02 10:43

I'm being left, I'm being left out. Well, like quicksand, I get. We've talked about that. Yeah, monkeys. Quicksand, TNT. Yeah, I don't know, I don't never heard of that. I think you're lying. All right. This is high quality stuff for the um I'm lost. Zach, how's your week? What's been going on in your brain? Uh oh, those are two separate questions.

SPEAKER_09 11:04

Yeah. Um my weekend was filled with gardening. A lot of projects around the house. Um got a rain barrel set up. That's really exciting. Just slowly off-gridifying the house and and more just kind of making it self-sustainable. Um food and water is where I'm starting. Yeah. I want to get into the like the hydroponic planning, I think that's the call what it's called. Um next year.

SPEAKER_10 11:28

But this year building a new fence that starts next week.

SPEAKER_09 11:31

Um, once the fence is up, we're building an area for the chickens because now we got 13. The area's a little too small. Yeah. Once we do that, last step is building Peter New Play Area because we tore down the old one because it was rotten, and then the place where the pole building's at. And I built the fence. That was yesterday.

SPEAKER_02 11:47

Construction.

SPEAKER_09 11:48

It has been a lot of it. It's it's really just basically mini farm work or content. There's those two things, and then I turn off and hang with the family.

SPEAKER_07 11:57

And the and that's the benefit of the outside stuff. Like we all did the fence as a family. That was it's cool.

SPEAKER_02 12:02

Being able to have outside work seems just really fun. It can be overwhelming too, because there's half the stuff I'm learning on the fly.

SPEAKER_09 12:09

I'm not a contractor.

SPEAKER_02 12:10

Yeah. But you're gonna learn so much. Yeah, you start learning a little by the time. Five years you're gonna be like, Yeah, I knew this, I know that, I know this.

SPEAKER_09 12:17

Exactly. You hit yourself in the thumb a couple times, you you put something up and you look at it from the back and you're like, oh shit, yeah, it looks terrible.

SPEAKER_02 12:24

Like if everything went to the shit, like I live in an apartment, so I'm just gonna be like, damn, I guess I'm just start building in there, dog. So I'm gonna die. Build yourself a treehouse in the apartment. The ladder. Okay, yeah, all right. I'm sure the property managers will Yeah, they won't care.

unknown 12:37

There's no problem.

SPEAKER_02 12:38

I swear I hear footsteps above my apartment, but there's nobody above me. I get kind of scared. Like, I have this this fear of somebody getting a ladder in the middle of the night and climbing up to a window and like opening it.

SPEAKER_08 12:49

That happens a lot in Sherlock Holmes books, I feel like they always ladder into the window to commit the crime.

SPEAKER_02 12:54

I'm like terrified. Like, I never leave any window unlocked because it's just like a few. Yeah, you lock the little sliding. You got like one of those pipes? Huh?

SPEAKER_09 13:01

You got one of those pipes? What do you mean? It's a sliding glass door? Oh, yeah. Yeah, you know the little plastic glass. Oh, like put it through. No, yeah, yeah, yeah. Like under yeah, yeah. On the side, this yeah, when it's closed. Yeah, I just have a lock on it.

SPEAKER_02 13:12

That's actually I might do that though.

SPEAKER_09 13:14

Yeah, those are good because those little plastic locks are gonna snap.

SPEAKER_08 13:16

Remember when they were selling those like bars for your steering wheel so people couldn't sell your car? Yeah. People stealing cars that much. I see those in f when I'm in Philly.

SPEAKER_09 13:27

I've always wondered about that. It's a pretty ballsy thing to steal a car. Yeah. It feels easy to track at this point. But if you like seen the pros do it, like I got put on to it by Tommy McGee. He had a video talking about like these people who literally were like stealing as well. Yeah, that was a really cool. Like for their income. They some of them got like real crazy strategies. They immediately get you know, get the OnStar disabled, and uh they know which shipping the computers, handling the GPS type stuff, and like it's it's a system.

SPEAKER_08 13:59

Ikea's souls are getting stolen like all the time. I saw a video about that. There's people who steal the cars and then they just ship them off to Africa. And then they sell them there.

SPEAKER_09 14:08

Like the shipping rate on a car. How do you ship a car?

SPEAKER_08 14:13

It's like hundreds, they send like hundreds of them at a time.

SPEAKER_09 14:16

Oh, so they're like sending them hundreds? That's an operation. It's almost like the way our government is stealing us as an operation.

SPEAKER_08 14:24

Have you ever seen the videos where there's a guy walking around like a giant handmade tinfoil like square as like an antenna extender? Look this up. McCarthy giant fake antenna. Sure. Okay. Or images. Images. There you go, there's one, four down. There's one. Yeah, so the way your key fob works is it's a specific frequency. So there's a proximity to the car it has to be in. So in order to extend it, you know the thing where they say, Oh, if you put your key fob on your head, you become an antenna, so you can lock or unlock your car from further away. So they build these to do it, and that's how they steal like BMWs, dodge chargers, and RTs and stuff. Because then the antenna will extend to the key in your house. So they're able to just unlock it and start it like normal, drive away, and then they have the car, and then they just take the ignition system out.

SPEAKER_09 15:24

Whoa. All that work just to get a carb. How long does it take them after setting that? Like, how long does that take to set up? It looks like a whole operation. Well, no, he's got it on a tripod.

SPEAKER_08 15:35

Yeah, it's just a it's like tinfoil wrapped around a wire and contact your yard until they look the antenna. Because a lot of the keys they know the frequency of, so they just keep spamming that frequency with the antenna until it works. Is that like public knowledge you can find out online, like the frequencies of FOP? I don't know how to do it, but if you've like I don't know, if you've been a mechanic or if you're a locksmith, sure. That's the new you have to learn how to program those. So as soon as you learn how to program them, you've got the knowledge.

SPEAKER_09 16:03

Well, now that we know how to get thieved, you're getting a bar for your car.

SPEAKER_08 16:08

And I guess they really want the Monty Carlo.

SPEAKER_09 16:11

Yeah, I don't even lock that thing. It's just like take it, I'll take the insurance money. Like, whatever, dude. You're not, yeah. That's my current car. My windows are always down. Like, it's like there's nothing to steal in there. Like, what are you gonna take? You're gonna take my my my my little kappa mentos? Like, you're gonna take the headphones? Maybe they'll take the headphones, but they're nasty. I'll take the mentos. I think they're icebreakers, actually. I lied. I was gonna pull up our Instagram chat. I had a few Joe, what'd you do this weekend?

SPEAKER_08 16:42

Yeah, he really doesn't care about us this weekend.

SPEAKER_09 16:44

Oh, I I love the flow. I'm not in charge here.

SPEAKER_08 16:47

Bro made offense and is like, you know what? Fuck them.

SPEAKER_07 16:52

Please go, please go as in-depth.

SPEAKER_08 16:54

It's all about me now.

unknown 16:57

Damn.

SPEAKER_07 16:57

I'm glad you're catching on.

SPEAKER_08 17:00

No, please. As in-depth, please. Dude, my week was great. Carson Hosovar got the poll for Texas this week.

SPEAKER_09 17:05

NASCAR.

SPEAKER_08 17:06

Yeah.

SPEAKER_09 17:06

NASCAR.

SPEAKER_08 17:07

That might have sounded like a whole different language for somebody with a chance. But it was uh he got seventh place. I said, who? Carson Hosovar. Oh, okay, got it. Same name as the first time. Was on the poll. Heard. He's not even listening. No, I'm gonna get details, brother. I am listening. Man, there's some tension going on Lord. So Carson Hosovar won, he's like a rising star in the sport. He's like kind of turning into a mini celebrity. And it was funny because these like four other drivers like wrecked each other at the end of the race on purpose and they spent all week arguing. Oh, we're talking about. Yeah, they like that happens. One guy ran into a guy and he got mad since he ran into him. Yeah. Happened a couple times. Well, NASCAR does that happen often? Two instances in one race. It's happening more and more. The brain rot is getting to him.

SPEAKER_10 17:57

Why does that make me want to watch NASCAR more? Dude, you know what I was gonna say.

SPEAKER_08 18:02

There was a crash on pit road that totaled two cars, which is unheard of.

SPEAKER_09 18:07

Totaled and isn't there? There's a speed limit, pretty significant one of the time.

SPEAKER_08 18:10

Someone stopped in the middle of the pit road, dude just plowed into the back of it. So he did it on purpose. No, he just wasn't paying attention. Oh man. They're just bad. The best drivers in all of motorsports, actually terrible at driving.

SPEAKER_09 18:22

I was gonna say at that point, when you think about your surroundings, my limited pit crew or pit knowledge is though, they don't really stop usually, right? They kind of just flow into their spot, and the entire guy's like, Yeah, but they're close, they're close knit and stuff. They cut each other off a little bit. Oh, all the time. You watch them drive, and it's incredible. Like, especially when they're going hundreds of miles an hour and they're inches apart. Yeah. Yeah.

SPEAKER_08 18:43

But it's cool because Carson Hosovar won last week for the first time ever. Did this huge celebration, went viral, like all of the NASCAR media performed way higher than normal. And then you came to the next week's race. And I swear it's the worst production in all of sports. They are so bad at putting together an entertaining show.

SPEAKER_09 19:05

No, keep going. I'm listening. I'm just trying to find where we're.

SPEAKER_08 19:08

It's brutal.

SPEAKER_09 19:09

I feel like it's kind of hard to make it interesting, though.

SPEAKER_08 19:11

I wish I could show you a clip of the grid walk, but if you watch the grid walk, it will be two minutes of the most boring thing you've ever seen. And for an audio listener, they'll want to blow their brains out. It's this segment, every week, right before the race, they have a retired racer named Michael Waltrip who owns a brewery now, just run up and down Pit Road and talk to as many drivers as he can. But it's like you have a big family, right? Yeah. You have like an uncle or cousin who like shows up and just like only talks in one-liners and catch phrases and makes shitty jokes that no one laughs at. Yeah. That's what he's doing. I golf. I hang out with those old people all the time. That's what this guy does the whole time to these like 20 to 30 year old dudes who are just like good one. Every week, the five minutes before the race, it's the cringiest shit you've ever seen. And they're just NASCAR's like, great job. Keep going, Michael. Like they love it. I'm not sure.

SPEAKER_09 20:07

So he's like their he's like their on-the-track analyst commentator.

SPEAKER_08 20:12

They give five minutes of free air. It's every week, it's the cringiest thing you've ever seen.

SPEAKER_09 20:17

Why do they keep the people are the ratings good? Is it because the demographic just rocks with that stuff?

SPEAKER_08 20:22

Dude, I'm I'm gonna have to clip it and show it in the next one. I watch on a website that lets you watch the stream for free illegally. I'm not gonna say it. Whoa. But they have like a Twitch chat overlay, and the Twitch chat's funny because everyone in it's just spamming like, oh my god, kill him. Oh my god, this is the worst. Oh my god, please stop letting him have a microphone. Oh my god.

SPEAKER_09 20:44

You know, so it really is that bad.

SPEAKER_08 20:45

You know how Twitch chat is. You gotta the whole comic that end him. This is brutal. You need to clip him. It's calling for his death. Clip that for next one.

SPEAKER_07 20:53

Insane.

SPEAKER_08 20:54

I'll find it.

SPEAKER_07 20:55

What was it? You you said right before the pod. You stopped mid-conversation. You're like, I'm saving that for the pod.

SPEAKER_08 21:00

Oh, it's later. It's later time. It's later time frame. Got it. We're gonna end. It's a banger. Sean.

SPEAKER_09 21:04

Oh, I got a good topic for us. Was that an end of pod teaser?

SPEAKER_08 21:08

You're gonna want to hear Zach give his take on this.

SPEAKER_09 21:10

Okay. Oh no, it's my take. Now how was your weekend, Sean? I cannot leave you out. You are clearly next in line. I'm so interesting, guys. I have such an interesting life outside of this. Shut up. Yes, you do. Don't dump it. You've kind of sarcastic. Whoa. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 21:26

No, he's right.

SPEAKER_09 21:26

Again, I'm left out here in left field.

SPEAKER_02 21:28

Yeah, I know what's happening.

SPEAKER_09 21:30

Um, I know.

SPEAKER_02 21:32

It feels like I'm in like a job interview right now or something. We should have cigars or something. I don't know. That'd be cool. I don't really smoke cigars. Cigars are gross. Yeah, honestly, it's so gross. I don't understand it. I feel like part of it's performative.

SPEAKER_07 21:45

I get it.

SPEAKER_08 21:45

I used to, but it's I will say I I get that. I get like the social group.

SPEAKER_02 21:49

Like it tastes like shit, and you might get a buzz.

SPEAKER_08 21:51

One of my friends, one of my friends brought a pack of cigars. That's how I am with wine. I was gonna say I've smoked one in my life. My friends brought a pack of cigars to my wedding and we smoked it at the reception. And I have an inc I have it's the coolest photo of me in existence. Oh yeah. Is me holding a cigar with smoke coming out of my mouth as I point at the camera. That's dope. In like a wedding suit with my wedding. Oh, yeah, looking as good as possible. Looking as good as possible. So for that one day, it was worth it. Highly recommend.

SPEAKER_02 22:21

I did it once. This is a really gross feller lady.

SPEAKER_09 22:26

It's just no matter how good or bad the cigar is for me, you get that taste in your mouth that's gonna stay there for four hours. And you're gonna smell like a cigar for years. Yeah, it's tobacco, it's not going away.

SPEAKER_08 22:37

That's the taste.

SPEAKER_09 22:38

I don't rock with it.

SPEAKER_02 22:39

I don't rock with beer either. Like drinking beer tastes like shit. It just tastes like metal. I drank the wrong beers. I've drank a lot of beers. Maybe I don't know. I didn't drink enough. The only thing I've like, I don't even know if you consider it a beer, is I guess it's an ale, like an angry orchard. That's a is that a beer? Like, what is that?

SPEAKER_08 22:54

It's a cider with high fructose corn syrup in it. Yeah, that's the only thing I've liked. Oh my god. And a corona. It's literally like alcohol forbid. It's apple juice with alcohol in it.

SPEAKER_02 23:04

Yeah, it's that's the only thing I like. That was it. Everything else just tastes like shit. Alcohol tastes like shit. I know a lot about beer. I know I'm in the minority. All the comments are gonna be like, what the fuck? Like, yeah, you need to drink more. Comment if you drink alcohol.

SPEAKER_08 23:16

I did Cicero and training. I can teach you all about beer so you can understand it better. Yeah, I don't know. I will say when I was in France, the light beer is there, so much better. Really? Oh, so much better. Wait, we're going down a rabbit hole.

SPEAKER_02 23:28

I said it right. Um we're what am I talking about? Your week.

SPEAKER_08 23:32

How was it?

SPEAKER_02 23:33

So yeah. Oh, yeah, I said it wasn't interesting. So all I really did every Sunday, I feel like I've said it before, I always clean. It's like uh from 10 to like three o'clock. I I clean the apartment, we go grocery shopping, and it's been that way for years. Every single Sunday. That's what it is. And I do that, and then Saturday, honestly, this weekend was the one weekend where I didn't have anything to do besides clean. And I just like all day Saturday, just did pretty much nothing. It was really nice. What do you mean, nothing? Like I know you did something. I played, I just played video games. Yeah, talk about the games. Like, I just talked about I just I just love gaming, you know. Um The Last of Us Part Two. It came out in like what 2020. You were playing that. Um, I was playing uh no return mode. You weren't playing the new black flag remaster, you told us. It's not coming out yet. Oh it's in July, I think, or something like that in the summer. But anyway, I've been playing that, and it's like a roguelike uh version of The Last of Us, and it's just one of the most addicting things to do. I'm trying to do it once a day now. Um, and that's it.

SPEAKER_08 24:32

Dude, I got I got back into GeoGesser last week and I played some over the weekend. Yeah, you played on the live stream.

SPEAKER_09 24:37

Yeah, you played on the live stream, and now he's back into it.

SPEAKER_08 24:39

It's like it's such a classic. I'm doing so. I've got a strict regiment.

SPEAKER_09 24:41

I'm just doing five duels a day to try and get that's so funny because what I'm about to say is basically the same thing. I played a video game over the weekend. I've re-downloaded FIFA. And I've restricted myself to three games a day maximum. Because you'll go, A wall. Oh, yeah, because it's just one of those things you just get to the end. It's one of the best original, just like get right into the next game games. Like just get there, next match opponent found, go.

SPEAKER_02 25:09

I had to I gotta stay away from that. I the last one I played was FIFA 2015, and that was really fun. But I just or no, 17. Play 2017, and I couldn't, I can't play it anymore. It just makes me so mad. I I can't. Like, remember when we would play together, I would get so mad. I'm like, oh dude, I couldn't. But super mega baseball. I I rock with that.

SPEAKER_09 25:26

Super mega baseball.

SPEAKER_07 25:29

That was such a good game.

SPEAKER_09 25:30

I was so terrifyingly just like glitchy game, too.

SPEAKER_02 25:35

Yeah, you like accidentally throwing at like second instead of first. It's like fuck.

SPEAKER_09 25:39

FIFA was the same though. It's super glitchy.

SPEAKER_08 25:41

Have you guys seen any videos of people playing Tomodachi life on Switch? Yeah, I have seen that.

SPEAKER_09 25:46

I saw it on obsessed on the Switch games. Is it good? Like it's fun. Is it something Peach would like?

SPEAKER_08 25:52

So it's like you create an island, but then you create all the people who live on it, and then you have this option where you can draw and custom create anything on the island. Yeah, so you can custom draw like tiles for the grounds, walls for houses, inside, outside, all that. You have like Newport. So, like the first person me and Molly made when we did it was Pooh Malone, which is a cross between Pooh Bear and Post Malone. Hell yeah. It looks like Pooh Bear covered in face stats and has a grill. Um, and then you just make all these characters and you force them to interact and like they can like fall in love and stuff. It's so silly. It's like that episode of Adventure Time. You guys haven't watched Adventure Time. We made Mike Wazowski and Flittle the Pokemon. They're married now. We're very happy for them.

SPEAKER_09 26:34

You get to create like a community, yeah.

SPEAKER_08 26:37

But like what if the 70 characters in it?

SPEAKER_09 26:40

Oh, so I can't like go full scale, like create like an oligarchic capitalist society or something like that. I mean, the way it works is you're in control of all of them.

SPEAKER_08 26:48

So you it really is you're the oligarchic.

SPEAKER_02 26:50

You're gonna add everybody that you hate in there. You're gonna have Larry Fink, Epstein.

SPEAKER_08 26:54

The way it works is you give them stuff.

SPEAKER_09 26:56

They're under my control.

SPEAKER_08 26:57

They're gonna fall in love with each other. Oh my god. Here's the thing, you got the way the economy works in the game, though, is you just you own all the resources, you control the resources, and you get all the money's yours.

SPEAKER_09 27:08

And you give them I'm like I'm liking the sound of this game even more. You give them stuff. That's gonna be your new option.

SPEAKER_08 27:12

They give you money based on how much they like it.

SPEAKER_09 27:15

Like the community?

SPEAKER_08 27:17

Yeah, that's what they like it.

SPEAKER_09 27:18

Oh, so we're just getting soft uh launched into Palantir security state. Got it. As long as you're okay with the community and what's being offered, you get money.

SPEAKER_08 27:28

You're no, you're forgetting you actually have to.

SPEAKER_09 27:30

Do you just burp through that entire sentence? What the hell?

SPEAKER_08 27:33

That was a treat for the listeners. The thing you're forgetting is you also handpicked up.

SPEAKER_09 27:38

Imagine someone on a treadmill in their right ear. Sorry, keep going. My bad. Nothing. No, Joe hates being Joe doesn't like like when all three of us are speaking at the same time. I enjoy that.

SPEAKER_08 27:50

You don't want to help, you just want to know. I think we just have a lot of thoughts that we want to talk about.

SPEAKER_07 27:54

And we should let them flow out.

SPEAKER_08 27:55

It's hard to because you were saying as long as you like it, you get to live there. No, you hand pick everyone that lives there. So if there's certain people you don't want there, you just don't let them in. Oh, this is great. Yeah, I think I knew you'd like that part. This is great. Trying to get you to this happy ending.

SPEAKER_09 28:10

And it was still happy. All right, good. Even without you getting frustrated in the middle. Maybe it's me.

SPEAKER_02 28:14

He's scared me projecting my own frustration. Just freaking me out today.

SPEAKER_08 28:20

I don't know how to feel.

SPEAKER_02 28:21

I shake all the time.

SPEAKER_08 28:22

You got fidget foot and fidget spinning. You brought this up last time.

SPEAKER_02 28:25

I was shaking my leg the entire time in the podcast. Yeah, he's always been a toad. I always think you got a piss.

SPEAKER_09 28:31

Because that's like me when I got a pig. Hey, do you guys want to see the beginning of this uh live just started with Donald Trump? Sure. He's signing something. I don't know what he's signing.

SPEAKER_04 28:43

Oh, it's stuff for kids.

SPEAKER_08 28:44

Yo, look at that poor girl. FK, Scott Turner. Look at that guy. Why is he gripping those kids like that?

SPEAKER_04 28:52

It better be his spring day. And it is indeed a beautiful day to celebrate American athletic traditions and champions and physical. What a career you've had, too, at a young age. And professional baseball pitcher, Noah. What's up with RFK?

SPEAKER_09 29:12

RFK is just chilling. It's probably something to do with health. I thought that was Hillary Clinton there for a second, too, is right. No, that's the Secretary of Education or something. I'll keep it muted until maybe they ask questions.

SPEAKER_08 29:22

I need someone to keep tabs on this old guy gripping the kids up. I don't like his energy. I don't like the energy overall of the room.

SPEAKER_02 29:30

I'm just kind of freaked out.

SPEAKER_08 29:32

Oh, do you guys know about uh the Pete Heggs wife in the dress at the correspondence dinner? What do you think about that? I'm unaware. She wore a$14 Timu Sheehan dress to the Eight House Correspondence Dinner.

SPEAKER_02 29:45

She's got more money than that.

SPEAKER_08 29:46

It's not even that. I mean, they're like America first. Why is she buying dresses from China? Oh. Got it.

SPEAKER_02 29:52

There's a lot of stuff we buy from China.

SPEAKER_08 29:53

That's fair.

SPEAKER_09 29:55

I truly want to see if there's questions because I want to see him go off on like a question about Iran, like in front of these kids.

SPEAKER_08 30:03

Well, fine. It's he's restoring the presidential fitness test award. Oh, okay. Wait, did they have that when you were in high school? Uh-huh. Okay.

SPEAKER_09 30:12

Yeah. Did you get it? I don't believe so. I don't by the time I was in high school and could get it, I was in a private school. Uh what is that? I think we practiced for it in middle school.

SPEAKER_08 30:21

So it was like, it's kind of like you know how to be a police officer, you gotta be able to do like 42 push-ups and 30 crunches. It's that for kids for high school.

SPEAKER_02 30:29

Okay. So what's the pacer test? Is that kind of the same thing? I think the pacer test was a part of it. Maybe. Like the yeah, all those tests because they had push-ups, yeah. The pacer test. The pacer test.

SPEAKER_08 30:40

I think for a while it was your mile time, push-ups, sit-ups, pull-ups.

SPEAKER_02 30:45

Okay.

SPEAKER_08 30:45

And you had to like achieve a certain level in all four to get a gold award, a silver award, okay, I got a I'm pretty sure I got like the second tier of it, if I remember correctly. But I could be confusing it with some made-up Maryland test.

SPEAKER_09 30:59

The only physical fitness badge I got is the German proficiency award when I was deployed with a German crew or uh training with a lot to do with swimming. I don't know if you guys have ever swam for time. I'm the worst.

SPEAKER_02 31:18

I was gonna say that's hard.

SPEAKER_09 31:20

It is tough. It is a whole body and cardio workout mixed in one while you're drowning, and I don't prefer it. That doesn't sound fun.

SPEAKER_02 31:28

I don't like the idea of not being able to breathe. That's why pepper spray really sucks. Yeah, that's the one thing. Swimming. I loved it. My favorite thing. How was your experience getting pepper sprayed? Have you been tased? It wasn't sucked. I didn't get tased, I just got sprayed.

SPEAKER_08 31:42

No, it so I feel like you you could be a policeman. I feel like you you could do that.

SPEAKER_09 31:46

Oh, he would kill police work.

SPEAKER_08 31:48

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 31:49

I well, I I was doing like infrastructure.

SPEAKER_08 31:51

Here's the thing, would he keep his like you have this way of like assuming the best in people? No, I assume the worst. Would the I was just about to say, I think I think would break you, you would hate everyone.

SPEAKER_09 32:05

I think Sean has that perfect law enforcement vibe of like uh like this kind of like I'm probably gonna use the wrong word, but like detached empathy, like you truly care and want the best for people, but at the same time, you can lock in in the moment and not freak out when someone needs you to like stay level.

SPEAKER_02 32:21

Yeah, no, I I I appreciate it.

SPEAKER_09 32:23

Yeah, that's and that's perfect for law enforcement. You can't show up freaking out, like, oh my god, you're so broken right now. Like, you can't do that.

SPEAKER_02 32:30

I feel like for me though, like we we had a thing one time where this lady fell in the water, like out of Killen's pond, she was out kayaking, she tipped over, fell in the water, she was with her kids, and she luckily had like you know the life vest on, and we got the call, and I've never because I was doing it like every weekend, they're like, Hey Sean, can you take the boat out and go get this lady? And I'm like, I've never even started the boat, like I don't even know how to work it. But luckily, I was you know, we got the call that somebody's in the water, but I thought it was just off the coast. Have you ever driven a boat? They were out. Uh I've I've driven it before, but I've never started it up. So, like, anyway, long story short, her kids are kayaking in and she's holding onto the back of the kayak and like just deep in the water. I'm like, Are you are you kidding me? Like, what's going on? She's like, I'm fine. Um, you know, anyway. She started she blamed the kayak, but I think she fell over on a thing. I don't know where her point it was, but it was really interesting. Oh, I was saying all this, right? It's like in the moment when I got there, it was like it was fine, it was whatever. But the idea of like anything can happen while you're just out doing whatever is like that's the hardest part, I feel like like overthinking. Like, if this happens, what do you do? If that happens, what happens? Like, what are you supposed to do? Because anything can happen. That was the that was that's the freakiest thing.

SPEAKER_09 33:40

Well, law enforcement in general or any type of first responder, I always found it weird because I was in the military and I went overseas and did the thing. There's just this universal kind of like, you know, thank you for your service type mantra that rings through the country and like supporting of the troops, and like, wow, you know, you got PTSD, it must have been so stressful, all this, that, and the third. But like, I didn't go through anything, and not to say there aren't, there's plenty that do. I I I'd say the majority of those that deploy or join the military in modern day, like post like 2010, 2012, yeah, probably didn't have like that crazy experience. Some did, and if they didn't, awful. But the fact is, law enforcement, like, it can be a daily basis that you're walking up on stuff that is jarring and dealing with really dark stuff. I don't do it. I don't I don't know. I don't I don't know.

SPEAKER_08 34:38

Oh no, I don't think he will. Yeah, well, I wasn't right, guys. I'm at all. I was just thinking he was mentally tough for a little bit. That's all that was.

SPEAKER_09 34:46

And he is, but your question's good. Like, do you you lose your whimsy a little bit?

SPEAKER_02 34:50

Yeah, no, you definitely do. You definitely lose part of yourself.

SPEAKER_08 34:53

I'm good friends with a few police officers. I went to school for criminal justice initially, and then just like had a bunch of friends from that, and like they're different now that we're in our 30s. Yeah, different habits. They view the world through a much darker lens.

SPEAKER_02 35:07

Right. The most fun part though, I feel like, is like getting people on things that bug you yourself. Like this guy was speeding through Killen's pawn, flying, and he like drove past some kids, and I'm like, what the fuck? So I went to his to the the spot where he was, and like you know, I'm like, hey, like who's driving that truck? He's like, Oh, it was me. It's like some 16-year-old. I'm like, do you realize how fast you were going? Like being able to like not take out your anger on somebody, but be like reasonably frustrated at somebody and then like you know, show them right from wrong. Like, I don't know. That was I love doing that stuff, and I hate when people litter. I love getting people for that. That's just laziness. It's just crazy to me. People that's like people literally just like leave their diapers, they're they're takeout boxes, like they literally open the door and just put them on the ground. Diapers? Yes, so many diapers.

SPEAKER_09 35:53

So many at our state park, there's a lot of diapers people are just dropping off.

SPEAKER_02 35:57

Like at the water park, the parking lot, people just change the diapers and just chuck them. And we're like, hey, can you like pick that up? That was like the most fun part, I feel like it's all good.

SPEAKER_08 36:07

Yeah, I was I was just thinking of another story I was trying to find, but I couldn't find it. Oh, you want me to search it up? No, you're gonna I search, I couldn't find it. I was just saying, I it was a crazy thing. Me and last summer, I was headed south into the beaches and there was an ambulance coming out across the road like between Lewis and Milton. Trying to remember where it was. But on the north the southbound side was backed up, so we were like stop and go, it was like beach traffic. The ambulance was coming from crossing the northbound side to go through the southbound side. And so they stopped on that side to let the ambulance in, and so it came and it looped around to the shoulder, and then on the northbound side there was a pickup truck, and like they watched the ambulance and weren't looking, and rear-ended a stopped car doing like 70 and it was UC 2500. And I remember like we saw it, and I was like, Oh my god! And like everybody gets out. It was so bad it was it ended up being four cars. So it was a rear-ended SUV, push it into the car in front of it, but hit it so hard that it ended up pushing into the right lane, hitting that car as well. Whole front end of the trunk crumpled. The SUV it was a Ford Bronco, the little baby, the sport version. And the rear door was in like the front seat, it was smashed. And I remember seeing it, and the next day on the news, you ended up finding out it was a 16-year-old who had his permit, not driver's license, in his dad's truck with two 14-year-olds, and they had booze in the car. Oh god, and I I don't know, you talking about the 16-year-old driving that truck made me think of that. It was crazy. I saw that. I don't know. That pisses me off. No, they they got in big trouble too. I remember it was bad. Anyone died? We found her no. There was a woman who was hospitalized, had to get like Medivac out. Okay, because it was described it, sound like somebody was gone. I remember no one died, and I I was relieved. But yeah, it was like, and I remember we saw it. What happened after the accident, too, was the driver got out and just launched a cup, like threw it angrily into the sky and into the field. And I was like, Yeah, you should be mad. You weren't paying attention, you wrecked that car. But in the moment, I was like, Wow, this guy's angry, he just caused this accident, but it was the cup with alcohol they were trying to get rid of. Oh, dispose. And they got caught, little fuckers.

SPEAKER_02 38:34

Jeez, man. They could have died. Dude, they need to raise the driving, like they need to raise it to like 20 or 20. Oh, you think? And then they need to have a limit for how old. I feel like when you get to 65 or 70, that I think you'll gain more public support. I don't think there should be a retest. I think you should just not be able to drive.

SPEAKER_09 38:49

Oh, yeah, I think if you can cognitively and visually, like as long as your reaction time's still there, you're still all there visually. I don't know what the cutoff should be.

SPEAKER_02 38:59

Yeah, but can you imagine how much boomers would actually care about like public transportation and people that don't have cars? To get them to care about that stuff is to really take away the second car. Would we have better public transport infrastructure? Because the boomers with all the money drive. They're like, yo, we can't get to Walmart. What's going on?

SPEAKER_08 39:18

What's our government doing? Why are they going to Walmart? Order they deliver it to your house now, guys. That's for you. All the services were built for you.

SPEAKER_02 39:27

You can pay for the delivery fees.

SPEAKER_09 39:29

You know how many times watching on Patrol Live with my wife? The amount of boomer commercials that are just offering up senior discounts. Why are they getting all of the discounts? I saw about this last time. I saw a video the other day, and then I was watching it in uh live on the commercials. Like, yo, they literally are getting all these discounts.

SPEAKER_07 39:43

It's crazy.

SPEAKER_09 39:44

What? You know, it's a bit of an aegis take. You'll have some debates around that. Yeah, you know, I hate old people. Sorry. I don't actually I don't actually hate old people.

SPEAKER_02 39:53

I think they're screwed.

SPEAKER_09 39:53

Could you have it both ways though? Could it be still there's some form of cognitive vision test that has to be approved on? And if they don't, they now can't drive. And again, they're going to be worried about public transportation.

SPEAKER_02 40:03

I want to say no.

SPEAKER_09 40:04

I'm gonna be honest. You want to just get them all.

SPEAKER_02 40:06

I think it should just be done. What should be like seriously? I think it should be like 70. Oh, it's messed up. I think it should be 70. I think we got bigger fish to fish. Or 70 plus listeners, please chime in in the comments. Nobody's going to care because they're going to wait.

SPEAKER_08 40:18

What is the what is the respectfully driving? No, and like seriously. No, but it's just car accidents.

SPEAKER_09 40:24

Yeah, I mean, in general, here's the thing. What's the age demographic on car wrecks? Here's what you need to do.

SPEAKER_08 40:29

This is without any like information, by the way. In car accidents, fatalities are more likely to happen to older people because they're weaker. So they're actually more in danger when they drive. Right. Other than that, it's mostly property damage. So if you if you're just upset about property damage, you know what I mean? I might be able to talk him out of this one. No.

SPEAKER_10 40:50

Let's see. Let's see. Motor vehicle death by age. Highest rate per capita is 25 to 44 year olds. Okay. Nexus 45 to 64. It looks like even 15 to 24 year olds have a lesser chance of dying than the 65 plus. That's a pretty big age.

SPEAKER_02 41:08

25 to 44.

SPEAKER_08 41:09

So it's it's apparently you're not allowed to drive when you're 25 to 44.

SPEAKER_09 41:13

That was car lethalities. Let me look up.

SPEAKER_08 41:15

You're the danger. Car wreck.

SPEAKER_09 41:17

I am the danger by age.

SPEAKER_10 41:21

But like 18 crash student experience. Let's see. Once again, seems like the it's pretty broad.

SPEAKER_08 41:32

Yeah, I I like you would have expected something like that.

SPEAKER_09 41:34

But you know why it makes sense too?

SPEAKER_08 41:36

They drive less.

SPEAKER_09 41:36

We have to drive every day. That was what I was thinking. Of what if it's a percentage of miles driven? They're just not also not driving as far.

SPEAKER_08 41:43

So now you're being you're being to five. I'm still federally protected class. I'm staying on my hill. I'm calling the FBI on you.

SPEAKER_02 41:51

I I I really feel like especially think about this like generation coming up, too.

SPEAKER_08 41:57

Yeah. As the friends on the road. Shut up. Huh? Pipe down, young man. I'm I'm speaking for the boomers now.

SPEAKER_09 42:05

Speaking of boomers, let's look at the wealth gap. So this is a chart. Uh it's from the Kobesi letter, and the data is from the Bank of America Global Investment Strategy, Bloomberg, and Haver. As of quarter two, 2026, the wealth gap has spiked up once again. A significant spike up as well. Um, if you look over here during the QE area that's shaded, you'll see this spike up that happened from COVID to about 2020, late 2022, 2023. Everybody kind of felt that wealth gap transfer. But if you look over here, the spike that just went on between Q1 and Q2, or I'm sorry, Q uh four of last year and Q1 of this year, that's nearly as big of a spike as we initially saw from the COVID era money transfer to the wealthy. What is causing that? Why it is guys, is our government in on this? I'm starting to think the more I look at these graphs, the the the executive gr branch seems to be setting up a foundation for for banking and corporate interests, both national and abroad, to transfer wealth out from under the working class. I mean, am I seeing I don't want to be that guy. But it is this a is this why are you asking us like you're not the one who looked for?

SPEAKER_08 43:30

Um I don't know. I'm confused. Stop doing the rhetorical questions and give us the answer. I'm confused. He's acting like this isn't his thing. I'm asking questions. I'm starting to become concerned after you were like, I played Last of Us 2 to Christ. I did nothing except play the dude.

SPEAKER_09 43:53

Are you saying that I'm reading grafts on the weekends to pass time? Okay. All I'm saying. This seems to be uh progressing upward at I I honestly, even as much as I am in on this stuff, that is an aggressive movement now to an all-time high. 6.7x. I want to explain what that means. Uh huh. Because they rate it out pretty well. It says the wealth gap has never been wider. U.S. private sector financial assets relative to US GDP are up at a record 6.7%. That means that the total value of stocks not percent, 6.7x. 6.7x. So what is that 67 670?

SPEAKER_08 44:33

670%.

SPEAKER_09 44:34

This means that the total value of stocks, bonds, and other financial instruments held by the private sector has never been larger relative to the actual economy. So there's more wealth at the top side of the economy than the economy has value, essentially. This also surpasses the private uh previous all-time high of 6.3x seen in 2021 after one of the sharpest Marcus recover recoveries in history. The size of private sector financial assets relative to gross domestic product has more than doubled since the 1970s low. When financial assets outpace the real economy, the wealthy get richer and workers get left behind. Own assets or be left behind.

SPEAKER_02 45:19

Okay, cool. Thanks.

SPEAKER_09 45:21

Yeah. Yeah. I mean, it's one of those things, or I I get into this mindset myself on my own personal content side of there's a there's there's two kind of strings that I can simultaneously pull. It's it's warning and preparedness. And I definitely do a lot of warning and I do a good share of preparedness, and like, hey, in almost all of that preparedness, it's own an asset of some kind.

SPEAKER_02 45:44

Yeah, like gold, silver, right?

SPEAKER_09 45:47

But then there's this whole segment of audience that wants to take that advice, they can't do it. And I guess I'm kind of talking to that person a lot more. Yeah. Well, don't say definitely. We we can get you there, but like, hey, subscribe to the channel, become a member, and you're getting Sean one step closer to homeownership. Oh, could you imagine when all three of us are homeowners? We'll have a party, dude. We'll have a little party right here on the pop in a home. Oh, we could just shoot live at the new spot. Doctor.

SPEAKER_02 46:12

I want to make a big garden. I want to make a huge garden. And I want to have a uh half pipe.

SPEAKER_09 46:16

And you don't want to have a just as I was about to say, you also probably don't even want a big house. You're like, I don't want a half pipe. Just a little one, a little half pipe. A little quarter pipe? Yeah. Be okay with a quarter pipe? Is a half pipe good for bikes though, or you would you skate on that? You can use bikes for that. Yeah, it seems to be a max. It seems terrifying.

SPEAKER_08 46:34

Yeah, you can do like little stalls. So I had this thought over the weekend. I got about 20 millis deep into some THC seltzer over the weekend. The thoughts start running. But it was it was it was good. This was a good one. Usually it's not a good one. Please 99 times out of 100. I got a splinter.

SPEAKER_09 47:00

Dag on splinters of the world. Alright, exactly.

SPEAKER_02 47:02

Don't make it about yourself.

SPEAKER_09 47:02

I know, my bad. Okay. But like scroll back up to that graph.

SPEAKER_08 47:08

Scroll back up to the graph. Scroll up, I guess. Which is which is a good one. Give me the graph. So the graph's from 1951 to 2023.

unknown 47:20

Okay.

SPEAKER_08 47:21

Energy location like 36. So I was thinking the other day, like urgency versus importance. And then like for now versus for the future. And like how crazy different those can be. Right. No, that's a great point. And so I was thinking about like the US and specifically like the brand of Protestant religion that I was raised in. I remember as a kid, they were always like, Jesus is gonna come back one day and he's gonna judge you. But there's this way they say it where they're like, could be tomorrow. Right. Right? Right. Could be tonight.

SPEAKER_09 47:59

And you know We do not know the day nor the hour.

SPEAKER_08 48:02

We think about that one country on the other side of the planet right now that are trying to build some secret special third building that calls the end of the Ghana is where you're going, right?

SPEAKER_09 48:16

Somewhere, somewhere. Uganda. I actually learned recently that uh post- not the day.

SPEAKER_08 48:21

You're gonna go ahead.

SPEAKER_09 48:22

Uh post-World War II the thought process was possibly about 30 years later, not the area that they ended up going to. But it was actually almost gonna be Uganda. The original uh writer of uh Ziotism uh allowed for a thought process of it could be anywhere.

SPEAKER_08 48:38

Do you know why?

SPEAKER_09 48:39

And Uganda was actually a leading candidate.

SPEAKER_08 48:42

Oh, I figured they'd go for the city. I found that in Trump. Maybe they did.

SPEAKER_09 48:46

Those the only one that was a leading, like really strong potential. Maybe there were others.

SPEAKER_08 48:50

Did you know there's a place in I forget the name of the town, but Ethiopia called the Tomb of Adam and Eve?

SPEAKER_09 48:55

No.

SPEAKER_08 48:56

Yeah, I never learned that.

SPEAKER_09 48:57

Is there any legitimacy to it, or is it just a called?

SPEAKER_08 49:00

It's a tomb. They dug it underground, it's protected by the government, it's in Ethiopia. But then they wouldn't be burying their dead. I learned that on Geogesser. I just played Geogesser. I feel like I'm gonna learn so much if I start getting into that. I learned so much about the world from playing Geogesser. Teach me why. Because I was just like, what is this?

SPEAKER_09 49:16

Yeah, but go back, but go back into your thought. Go back into your thought.

SPEAKER_08 49:19

But so that's 21 in 2023. That's 80 years, 70 years. That's like one human life. And I was thinking about how in the economy, I feel like, like in the war, they're always like, oh, this is gonna make us a lot of money now. This is gonna make us a lot of money now. Doesn't it feel like all the people in charge are kind of bidding on everything ending soon? Like, we don't build things to last a thousand years anymore. And I feel like if you look at like the Chinese empires and like if you look at some of the buildings in Iraq and Iran that are thousands of years old, I was like, I've never lived in a culture that's believed we're a part of a human race that actually will persist for another 2,000 years. Like we've it's already 2,000 years since Christ. Why not 2,000 more? I feel like isn't a thing in all of the people in power in the US. And I don't know if it ever has been. If you think about the way we run the country, it's always been a sprint to like the moon, the industrial revolution, blah, blah, blah.

SPEAKER_09 50:17

Do you think part of that has to do with like the typical and for anybody that knows more on the subject, that's not how it was everywhere. Like, but for to my understanding, the majority, it was families and royal families that were leading countries. Do you think when we kind of got away from that that we don't care about family? We don't care about the family lineage. Like, yeah, when it's the family lineage, like whatever I'm doing, I'm passing on to my son one day. Yeah, you know, he's gonna pass to his son, so I need to take care of the future. But now it is kind of like, well, this is my eight-year term, four-year term. Let me make sure I look good in the history books. I don't care about what happens in 20 years.

SPEAKER_08 50:53

Is like, imagine if the concept of public setting up public structures in the government was like, all right, we have to install a system that can that will build us for the next 500 years, instead of being like, oh, we need to like I'll give the example I'll give too is like I feel like there's a lot of band-aiding. I need to stop saying like so much. Jesus Christ. I you know the the dunes down at the beach. Yeah, they've been breached by the ocean like three times in the past 15 years. Yeah. Every time Denrak comes and goes, hey, here's a proposal to fix this from potentially ever happening again. It costs 38 million dollars. And they go, nah. Here's four million. And then they go, Alright, we'll do what we can. And then 10 years later, the Dune breaches. Doesn't it feel like the job of the government should be to do projects that will last a hundred plus years?

SPEAKER_09 51:52

Yeah. But they did, I mean, but across like just what you're saying. And I would I would only point maybe in another direction on one thing you said that like they're banking on destruction, like that is all good. I think a lot of it's also just basing on death. Like death? Yeah, they're gonna die.

SPEAKER_08 52:09

Look, their life's over, they don't care. They don't care.

SPEAKER_09 52:11

Like whatever whatever problems they're causing long term, they're not gonna be around for it. And that's where like when the family lineage thing is tied to it, you think about that a bit more. The same way I think about what's what's my daughter gonna do in 12 years in the labor force. What should I be preparing her for? Like, what type of world should I be ushering her into?

SPEAKER_08 52:28

I feel like it also grounds your decisions because you're like, oh, if humans will continue for 2,000 more years, everything I do every day is almost insignificant. Yeah, that's a great thing. But then if you think if there's anything I can do once in my life that could contribute to something 500 years from now, like people who built the Pantheon in France, I'm saying it because I was just there, and there's the Sorbone University with a library next to it that has all these names etched in it from people over the years. Even if you're the guy who just etched the name, you did something in your life that will be seen for 500 more years. That's gotta feel great before you disappear. I don't know. I feel like I've never seen the news, corporations, businesses really talk or operate that way. In the US, where they're like, oh, we want that. They're just like, This is gonna make us so much money. Oh my god. It's like the kind of ties back to what I was saying earlier. Is like if you're like, oh, we want to keep this country in a way where we believe it's gonna be habitable and a rich and a beautiful environment in a thousand years, we'd probably have more trees. You know what I mean? You'd probably say, Oh, we need to protect pieces of nature even in urban areas a little bit more.

SPEAKER_10 53:41

And some areas are starting to catch up there, but if we were thinking about this in the 70s, 80s, 90s, even as much as we should today.

SPEAKER_08 53:47

Yeah, yeah. But like when we were in France, every house in the south of France is made of stone. And they're all 300. Yeah, they're all ancient, 500 years old. Yeah, I don't know a single house in America that could last that long.

SPEAKER_09 54:00

And the person who designed or built those homes, again, they have that thought process of I built some, you know, families are gonna live in like eight different lines of families.

SPEAKER_02 54:07

Yeah, yeah. That's how I feel about AI. Like, I feel like AI could really benefit humanity in so many ways of doing the shitty jobs that we don't care about and giving people freedom to do what they want to do, you know, thrive in a community, do that sort of thing. But instead, there's these people that are thinking, How much money can we get from people? How much information can we get from people? How much control can we get from people? It's like, this is something that, yeah, it like love it or hate it, it is something that is important in our time, and who knows how it's gonna look 20 years from now. But it's like, why are we why are we not altering how we view stuff like that? Like, why are we not changing it?

SPEAKER_08 54:41

I don't know the answer, but well, it's like fur stop saying it's like Joe. Stop saying squirt me with a bottle, squirt me with a bottle, punish me like a cat. I don't have it, my bad. No, there's what's the Fergie song? Fergalicious. You so 2008, you so 3000 and late or whatever. Boom, boom, boom. Even if someone mentions the year 3000, doesn't it sound like a fake made-up thing that's never gonna exist? Yeah, it will. But what if instead you were like, yeah, the year 3000's coming?

SPEAKER_09 55:12

Yeah, the Jonas brothers have been on that. There's gonna be people underwater. We lived underwater. I don't know. That was my high thought for the weekend. Which they'd be a video. It was actually the funniest thing I've ever seen Jonas Brothers do. They're like, and you're great, great, great, great, great. And it actually says the amount of greats it would take for her to be in the year 3000. That's actually really funny. He's always says it like four times, being like, that's like 2100 like you're nowhere close.

SPEAKER_02 55:41

We're really jumping around today.

SPEAKER_09 55:42

It's an interesting concept, though, because why would the corporate lords of our world uh even get to the point where they would view themselves as so insignificant as to only be a blink on the timeline? Like, they don't want to think about that. Maybe that's why they're so hyper focused and don't care about the morality of it all, because they're pushing after what the only thing they care about, which is right now their tangible moment.

SPEAKER_02 56:07

There has to be a percentage, but not the next or the next.

SPEAKER_08 56:10

Example Peter Thiel talking about how he thinks he's on the verge of transhumanism.

SPEAKER_09 56:18

Because then what do you at what point even is a human?

SPEAKER_08 56:21

The idea of being to upload the human conscious into technology so that it persists for thousands of years instead of hundreds of years, but like a cyberpunk thing, but it's a focus on his specific conscious, not the concept of humanity in a thousand years. You know what I mean? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Like he's he's removed the thought of the humans that come after him for the focus on the humans he knows.

SPEAKER_02 56:43

Oh my god. What are you doing looking at Jer Rogan?

SPEAKER_08 56:46

But if your worldview is like, oh, I don't I don't care about that. Life is what it is, but I know in a thousand years, yeah, I have the power now to do something that will create positive impact. I don't think that's a thought for them at all. Is there anybody with a thought like that?

SPEAKER_02 57:02

Like, is there anybody doing that right now that is a millionaire? Or billionaire, or a billionaire? Billionaires don't even have power. Because I I think I think the idea of becoming uh an oligarch, a billionaire, a millionaire, I feel like you have to step on people. Like you do have to put people back in the world.

SPEAKER_09 57:17

No, you do. The whole art of labor in the capitalist system is to get somebody in that can provide for whether it's your product, your service, whatever is adding value to a certain dollar amount to then hire said person to do the job for less than what they're doing it for or what the value they're bringing. So if you bring a hundred grand in worth, you know, then the max that they're gonna pay you is 75 grand because they need their gap. That's how capitalism operates. But that measure doesn't even work. I think other places do too. Well, other places it's exacerbated now.

SPEAKER_02 57:46

I think to now where the value that can be brought is maybe there was a point in time where it might have made sense. I don't know.

SPEAKER_09 57:51

Well, when they're close together, like when when when when it's just an operational profit to keep the company running and growing, it makes sense. And but when the the wage that's required to be paid to meet that margin is below minimal living wage for the daily cost of living in 2026, yeah, now you have a big problem because you can't profit if you paid them enough. And if you don't pay them enough or them enough, you're slowly rotting the foundation of the labor force that creates all the production in our country. So that's why stuff like this is important. Like cost of living spiking is really important at scale. And maybe there are people that want to do it well, but even in this market, it's I guess tougher. But if you're a billionaire, you got money to do stuff. It ain't it ain't that tough. Yeah, it ain't that tough. Is there anybody that's on our radar that's like actively like Warren Buffett donates it? I don't know what his dealings are, but yeah. Mark Cuban did like a medicine company.

SPEAKER_08 58:44

Yeah, he's trying to make prescription drugs cheaper. Yeah, that's cool. Guys, it was just high on THC Selter thoughts. I'm sorry. I don't have an answer. I think it's legit though. That's I it just like made me think about how because sometimes even just doing like your regular show, and sometimes you get stressed, you're like, oh my god, what's the point of blah blah blah? Is the world gonna blah blah. But if instead you just go, Yes, we're gonna be here for 2,000 more years. I don't know. I feel like it makes you like look at the world a little more positively too. I think about like Asian cultures and how family focused and respectful they still are. Like people like talk about like Korea, Japan, China, they're still family oriented, still very focused on social, like their countries are immaculately clean, they have really good infrastructure. And yeah, like recently there was an economic collapse in Japan, but the government wasn't like, oh my god, we have to fix our economy right away. They're like, we've got to take care of our people. I think there is places that persist. It just hasn't ever persisted. Yeah, they went through like a 20-year recession here. But like a 20-year recession doesn't matter when you're operating in your country for the next hundred, two hundred, three hundred years. All your bases are covered. It's a tough spell.

SPEAKER_09 1:00:00

And we're here in America when we start to wobble as an economy, being the world reserve currency that we can print, we just print instead of go through it.

SPEAKER_08 1:00:07

But we put so much focus on money, not even looking at affordability trends. Think about how people are having kids older or not having kids at all. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's because of money. Birthright definitely is like it affects your ability to be human. Like for all of human history, the ability to have a kid was related to wanting to grow your family and continue the human race. That is not a thought here anymore. Yeah, money controls our ability to be human in its most basic form. Yeah.

SPEAKER_09 1:00:36

And it's not even the country fault, it's it's not even anything political, it's just the end of capitalism. Like anybody who likes to read a Marx book, like people bring up Marx and immediately like, oh, you're a communist. Like Marx also is very astute in pointing out the flaws of long-term capitalism. Yeah, that's really the the the core part that I think leads people to say, don't read Marx. It's not communism because I feel that there's not a perfect financial system that exists. Everything has its pros and cons. But like we're being, it's like we're not being brought to the big kids' table on what the end game flaws of this could be, and we're kind of living in it and being told it's fine.

SPEAKER_08 1:01:11

Yeah. I think that's the problem. I think you nailed the problem. It's the focus on the financial system.

unknown 1:01:19

Oh.

SPEAKER_08 1:01:20

Oh.

SPEAKER_09 1:01:21

Said I nailed the problem, so I thought we were on. Oh god. I was trying to make a funny, and it wasn't funny. That's what it was.

SPEAKER_08 1:01:26

It was a good show. It was a bad bit. Well, you had to go to the bathroom. But no, we put so much emphasis on the financial system and finances and money, not resources. Yes. So you're saying, I can't afford to have a kid. Well, you don't need money to have a kid, you just need food, shelter, clothing. Like, it's not a focus on the resources anymore because money's the only resource that matters. So, like, I don't know. We've made we've made everything a financial transaction. Like, think about your parents and how like they wore their brothers' clothes. Like, you know what I mean? They started cooking when they were 12, like growing veggies out back. I feel like those are the things that are dying off in the belief in our financial system.

SPEAKER_09 1:02:06

Well, consumerism is a huge part of it, and that's where we can point the finger at us. Consumerism keeps it going. Oh, I love poke. Like the Stanley cups.

SPEAKER_02 1:02:14

Like the Stanley Cups. Everybody was buying everybody was waiting outside for Stanley Cups. I'm like, yo, what? Stanley? Yeah.

SPEAKER_09 1:02:20

Oh, the the the jug got it. The water jug. Yeah. Rify's got a few of those. I thought you were talking about like the red solo cups. I was like, people were waiting for it.

SPEAKER_08 1:02:28

I thought you were talking about NHL hockey.

SPEAKER_09 1:02:30

The Stanley Cup. Oh. Her car's the piston cup. Here's the thing. Like, with everything we're talking about, where my brain goes, and I got this video pulled up. We watched it before. I'm not even gonna play. It's because exactly what you're talking about. You're not even gonna play. He's talking about the transhumanism. He's talking about AI being fed into. I will, I will, I will. He talks about AI feeding into some one-streamed consciousness. He talks about that. And this is like years ago. No one was talking about AI in like 2016. But here's the thing with what we're talking about, it's like the base of all the problems is mammon and like lust for more. And not like lust for anything like even a utility, like Joe said. Like, it's just the lust for lusting. It they just want more. It's like they're feeding this limitless, endless loop that bites itself in the tail at the end.

SPEAKER_08 1:03:19

That humans got too horny for money.

SPEAKER_09 1:03:22

And the love of money is the root of all evil. The the horniness for money is the root of all evil, to paraphrase that ever so slightly.

SPEAKER_08 1:03:29

I'm gonna introduce this topic to Sean because I've only said it in front of you, though. But the other day I had a realization that Trump only talks two A's.

SPEAKER_09 1:03:37

Asterius, I don't rock with this takeout.

SPEAKER_08 1:03:39

I don't think so. Sean, you're sweating him. We're presenting it to him unbiased. Alright, you're peeking the mic. Let's relax. The audio engineer, you're peeking the mic. Sorry. It's my bad, dude. I get it. Sometimes it's fun to yell. You ever just yell for fun? I'm just gonna pick a book up while y'all talk and home. No, Trump has two voices. Okay. Angry and frustrated, or like kind of horny. And I'm not saying he's actually horny. I'm saying the way he talks is how you would also talk if you were horny, but it's the only way he talks all the time. Thank you, Melania. Like, even when he's coming in, he's like, what was the clip we showed? Stop saying like Joe.

SPEAKER_02 1:04:25

It's okay.

SPEAKER_08 1:04:26

What was the clip I showed?

SPEAKER_02 1:04:28

Zach, what's wrong with you, dude? For all the listeners, Zach is upset.

SPEAKER_08 1:04:32

We've got a bill. It's a big, beautiful bill. That's horny talk. Can we can we get an example? I I need to see something. You can pull up any video of Trump happy in an interview. And there's there's a lot of things. I'm trying to get into the insight of his baseline emotion being so two-dimensional.

SPEAKER_10 1:04:51

He's live right now.

SPEAKER_04 1:04:52

Let's see what we got.

SPEAKER_08 1:04:52

I hope he's not.

SPEAKER_04 1:04:53

I hope he's not talking to your engine with one shot. It wasn't a missile. They don't want to waste a missile on it.

SPEAKER_09 1:04:59

He's talking about Iran in front of the kids.

SPEAKER_04 1:05:02

Why is he talking about missiles to this random kid to his right? They uh were warned and they said, Go back now. Go back right now. You will be shot at within ten seconds. Yes, I am going back to the Iran. I am going back, and that was the end of that. He went. There he is. The ship was so big. But they respect us. They didn't used to respect us, but they respect us more than we've ever been respected. It's just tired. We had a country that was dead when we had that group of people that ran this country with their own. This is like when you're in a cigarette after us. Countries all over the world that came in from prisons. We had a country that would have been a dead if they won the election, this country would have been a dead country. Now we have the hottest country anywhere in the world. Go ahead.

SPEAKER_08 1:06:00

You're not seeing it at all. Could have been dead, but now we're the hottest.

SPEAKER_09 1:06:04

Do you plan to arm them so well?

SPEAKER_04 1:06:10

What was the other one you said? You said horny and then cranky?

SPEAKER_08 1:06:13

Like cranky, yeah. I get the crank. He does have this post-coital calm, too.

SPEAKER_09 1:06:17

Especially when he reads off a script. Yeah. When he's reading off the teleprompter, it's definitely like he has that specific like he's in business. He just kind of stays right here in the zone.

SPEAKER_08 1:06:26

I feel like isn't postcoital like clear, also like a little empty. Just kind of empty. Yeah.

SPEAKER_09 1:06:34

Let me uh show backspace reverse Uno card on this.

SPEAKER_08 1:06:38

Just view it through that filter in the future and see if it hits for you the way it hits for me.

SPEAKER_02 1:06:41

If I find something that, like, oh yeah, he's horny, I'll send it to you.

SPEAKER_08 1:06:43

I'm not saying he's horny, but the way he talks, it's like a horny voice.

SPEAKER_02 1:06:47

The big, beautiful bill thing, definitely. Like big, beautiful bill.

SPEAKER_08 1:06:50

What we were talking about, I forgot what the clip was, but he was like, oh yes, it's huge. It's one of the biggest. And I was like, no one talks like that.

SPEAKER_09 1:06:57

Nobody talks like that. That's undebatable. That's undebatable.

SPEAKER_08 1:07:01

Unless they're horny.

SPEAKER_09 1:07:04

You know what I'm horny for? Grilled cheese. Talking about the end of the world. I haven't had a grilled cheese in a while. I had one the other day.

SPEAKER_08 1:07:12

I brought my white pill thing of being like, isn't it great when you think like we're building a future for people in a thousand years? And you're like, let's talk about the end of the day.

SPEAKER_09 1:07:19

No, but here's the problem.

SPEAKER_08 1:07:20

Grilled cheese with apples.

SPEAKER_09 1:07:21

I'm sorry. Cheese with apples is really good. I'd never realized until I had to check. Oh, grilled cheese. So I realized at a fondue restaurant, apples and melted cheese, splendid. Yeah. Never thought of that. Splendid. So I believe that. No, you're good. You're good. The pickles. Issue with what we're dissecting right now, like that graph over the last, let me just bring this back up. Like this graph over the last, you know, 50 or so years since it's hit its bottom. Is we've watched things like the Nixon shock and the release from gold happen. We've watched labor unions get destabilized. We've watched the labor union expand with women, minorities. A lot has happened over this time. Uh we have the Powell memo for corporations. We got Reaganomics.

SPEAKER_08 1:08:04

I just thought of another Trump horny thing. Go ahead. Nah, I was thinking even when the we killed the guy. Oh, yeah. He was like, these dogs, beautiful dogs. It's horny talk. He was so aroused by the completed mission. I'm gonna have to do some research on my own, I guess. That's the punchline for Shane Gillis' stand-up, is when he does the press conference and he calls the dogs that killed the terrorist beautiful. When they were probably dogs, which you didn't mean to say that. Anyway, I'm sorry I interrupted. I'm a piece of shit. You're not.

SPEAKER_09 1:08:38

I used to be.

SPEAKER_08 1:08:39

I'm not anymore. I used to be a good person. I'm not anymore.

SPEAKER_09 1:08:42

Sloppy stakes, baby. Slop them up. Shout out Tim if you want to come on the podcast. He probably doesn't. After after that. He's in New York. We could travel up to him. So here's the deal. Over this time, lots happening. I don't know why the random uh circlist. The only one I feel that really matters is NAFTA. Glass Steagall is in there. Citizens United is in there. The 2008 uh GFC is in there, greedflation from COVID's in here. All these things are in here. But all we're doing is talking about a consistent pattern of of uh a pattern of mammon, a pattern of of the driving up the prices, feeding the wealthy more, giving the elite a thicker pockets, more savings account for Jeff Bezos. Like all of that's been happening right under our nose this whole entire time. My thought process is, and this is where it gets blackbilly, is just what if the pattern continues? And right now, what the Lillipad's kind of set up for is this world where we do destabilize as an economy. We topple. We get to a point where credit is too crunched, rates are too high, cost of living is too high for too long for too many people, and markets start to collapse. Probably mainly under the lack of payments into banks, mortgage payments, loan payments, credit card payments.

SPEAKER_08 1:09:54

Wait, can we simulate this somehow?

SPEAKER_09 1:09:56

Can we just do it on purpose? No. Oh, oh, you could. Like if the people do not have to do it. The way that banks make money is interest. That's how banks make money. The interest they receive on payments. Why do banks need to make money? It's that's just how usury in our model works. We're in a fraction. It allows so the way that banks are operating right now is on this fractional reserve lending, which allows them to basically create new money that's given them on a warehouse credit line from the Fed. It's just new money anytime someone gets a mortgage, someone buys a car, if you're financing it, new money is being pushed into the system. So again, as you look at this, you should also think about the fact that more money and more credit is being pushed into the system and it's being financed by banks. And banks make money off interest rates. So as long as there's more credit being created, the banks keep making more. The investors of those uh investment tools that they make out of these grow, things like CMOs, CDOs, slabs, mortgage-backed securities, all of these items keep going up in value. Well, here's the problem when we stall our credit creation, when nobody can afford to go get a new loan at scale. That's what happened in 2008. When no one can actually afford a loan or Great Depression, that's when people got scared their money was gonna disappear out of the banks. Big New York bank failed, everyone started taking their money out, and it collapsed thousands of banks just like that. Collapsed and there was no backstop because the Fed didn't step in. So here's my thought process. What if all of this happens, collapses, and they just allow it to? Allow the panic to get so bad, the crime to get so bad, people don't know how they're gonna survive, and then in steps private corporate tech lords to save the day, give us our necessities. But in exchange, it's under this. Well, this is my little Tamagotchi town, and you're here and you're gonna like it. And if you're not, you're gonna go. And we know everything you do, we have algorithms predict what you're gonna do in the future. We know where you're at, we know what you like, we know what you've done, we know how you think. And our money is also going to be attached to this system, and boom, all of a sudden, there's really nothing American humans could do at that point. Because maybe they said it so you can't even freaking leave. Maybe they don't. But it it it I think we're being subverted into a country that at least we think is being run by a government, a democracy, uh, to one that's run privately, which is what we've seen happen over the decades, little by little, in like every industry. So, why not the American military industry? That's what I think is happening. And I hope that we get to this point of we're thinking about decades and centuries and millennium and uh millennia in front of us, but I just don't think we have that like as a pre-built condition in our culture. Yeah, which is not how we think. It's like all the CIA psyops and the mass media music and the entertainment, everything that's destabilized us, hypersexualized us, killed our dopamine, made us just like instant gratification monsters that never sit and think logically. We're never in silence with our own brain. We're we're never we're never reading, we're never taking time to meditate because it are we literally can't do it. We can't even digest long form information without constant switches and booms and bops. We can't focus anymore. So we're not talking about these things, and we're just getting kind of slowly boiled like the frog into this world where we're not gonna have an option because if it gets all blown up and destabilized, well, they're gonna walk in and say, Hey, we've cryptofied this. Now we're on this blockchain thing, we have stiphons and subscriptions from everything from a home to your grocery cart, and this is how things are gonna go. By the way, put this chip in your wrist.

SPEAKER_02 1:13:25

Sounds like cyberpunk.

SPEAKER_09 1:13:26

And then they get to track all of our data, biometrics, and they'll play it as, by the way, we'll be able to predict heart attacks, it'll detect if you have cancer, you'll be able to, you know, maybe it can improve neurological functioning. You have to pay the subscription fees. Yeah, it can link straight to this AI that'll tell you what you need to eat, what you're deficient in, you'll never have to have a blood test again. But all at the same time, they get everything.

SPEAKER_08 1:13:46

But here's the thing the way you're describing it too, and that's the light version. But if it's still stop talking, you're describing it one way, but you're saying, Oh, you have to pay for subscription. If the economy's failed, what's how are they still charging us for a subscription? You know what I mean?

SPEAKER_09 1:14:00

If everyone lost all their money, something well, there's a mixture of two. It could be a, it's so low cost because AI runs pretty much everything. Could also be a mixture of UBI, and then even like Elon has this really like utopian style thought process of like no one's gonna have to work and everyone's gonna be ultra wealthy. I I think that would be a world where all the tech billionaires are like human and liked us and wanted us to be yeah, happy people. I just think it won't get there.

SPEAKER_08 1:14:26

I hope it doesn't. I think the human race is resilient, and when great oppressions are thrust upon us, we turn violent. Okay, so that's we're in agreement there.

SPEAKER_09 1:14:36

I think that steps in before any of that happens. I guess I get more bigger than that. I do think that happens. I'm not I'm not not saying anybody go out and do it and say the guys in the basement told me to go do it. Like, but I do think naturally that will happen.

SPEAKER_08 1:14:47

If you're out there, Google the childless are ungovernable and read it. It's a fascinating read. Very fascinating read. And then ask yourself how do you want to contribute to the human race a thousand years from now?

SPEAKER_09 1:15:01

Mmm, and it all ties back.

SPEAKER_08 1:15:03

Sometimes it just takes a little conviction.

SPEAKER_09 1:15:05

I don't even know what color that pill is.

SPEAKER_08 1:15:07

You gotta know what you truly believe in, you know.

SPEAKER_02 1:15:10

Yeah, it's like the purple part.

unknown 1:15:11

It's all fake.

SPEAKER_02 1:15:13

Oh, I just like that color.

SPEAKER_08 1:15:14

I think it's yellow. It's sunshine, you know? Like a sunshiney yellow. Sunshine. Orangy yellow.

SPEAKER_02 1:15:20

But cyberpunk's kind of like that with corporate cities, though. Yeah. Yeah. Like it's literally corporate cities, like Arisaka is like an entire thing. I mean, this is in transhumanism suit in that.

SPEAKER_08 1:15:29

This is my most really tough to take thing. It's not I truly believe it, but if you think about it from a psychological perspective, think about the guy at the White House Correspondence Dinner, the shooter, and he had like a manifesto and all this stuff. Dude truly believed in what he believed in. Right? All it took was conviction in what he thought was wrong to motivate him to try that. And we've seen that before. Like when people talk about Luigi Mangioni, he believed that United Healthcare had to pay for what it did to his mom, right? Yeah. So the more radical society gets, and the more it forces individuals into these basically traumatic belief systems, the more we see that.

SPEAKER_09 1:16:16

We're waiting for Wheel of Fortune to come on, and uh NBC has a little 30-minute spot we caught 20 minutes of.

SPEAKER_03 1:16:21

Yeah.

SPEAKER_09 1:16:22

And one of them was about uh two fires that happened in California. I think one was at a data center, other at some kind of warehouse or something. Lit on fire. And they had both said, or at least the threat is being told to us that they were inspired by Luigi. And it was basically a hit piece talking about there's these crazy people who are inspired by Luigi Mangioni. Um, but they won't dive into what Luigi Magione believed in, uh, which I find interesting. But I get that. Yeah. I get completely what you're saying.

SPEAKER_08 1:16:48

I'm I'm I'm not saying that people need to do it. I'm saying the more they create these environments, just that create.

SPEAKER_09 1:16:54

Statistically, it's more likely, is what you're saying.

SPEAKER_08 1:16:56

Traumatic experience is completely out of the person's control. Yep. It's like the way psychology works, the more of those instances will occur.

SPEAKER_09 1:17:05

Could I argue the uh the other side of the possible results of that though could be the argument for more security, more control. Oh, yeah, a thousand percent. You know, we want to find these people before they get there. That's why we need to read your Facebook. You know, I I don't know. It's just the patterns that unfold. It seems like anytime we try to take a little control, they take it back somehow. And I push harder.

SPEAKER_08 1:17:29

That's what increases the frequency of these experiences for people.

SPEAKER_09 1:17:33

So it's like which egg cracks first kind of thing. Do they get full control or does all control cease to exist because people just lose it?

SPEAKER_08 1:17:41

I don't know. And how much do they continue to escalate the punishment of people? But when the percentage of the population is on the people being punished side before they go, this is too much. Yeah, it's unfair.

SPEAKER_09 1:17:54

People talking about the warehouses that ISIS is receiving over the rest of the country for like entertainment. Yeah, huge warehouses.

SPEAKER_08 1:18:00

I don't know if that's gonna be true. You guys ever watch the movie Milk? Milk? Yeah, is it a cow movie? Dairy? It's a political movie. Oh based in California, you'd love it. It's from it's based on a true story from the 70s. It's about Harvey Milk. Okay. Do you know Harvey Milk? First openly gay elected politician. Okay. Out there. What what year? Was assassinated by one of his fellow chair or house members or whatever. Shot multiple times in his office. And then the guy's defense, this is it's super famous. You gotta watch the movie. He did what was called the Twinkie defense. So his lawyer argued he had been on a really unhealthy diet, and it caused temporary bats of psychosis because he had been eating unhealthy and he got away with it, and then they just torched three streets in San Francisco that night. Whoa. What year was that? The 70s. I think it might have been 74, 75. Uh Sean Penn plays Harvey Milk. It's a brilliant movie. No, actor. Sean? Is it a BJ Penn? Oh I think it's a BJ Pen. Yeah, another guy. BJP, my bad. Isn't BJ Penn a little Filipino guy, right?

SPEAKER_09 1:19:12

I'm not usually not huge in UFC. I don't know those country where.

SPEAKER_08 1:19:15

We have an editor in the Philippines. Shout out to Philippines. Shout out to Philippines. Or the goat. Von A. I love Manila. Never been. Vaughn's tall.

SPEAKER_09 1:19:23

Yeah, I think it's just the stats line up. When there's less people that have kids, there's less people that are married. There's less people that own homes. Yeah. There's less people that even own their own car. Yeah. And they're having the refi out of it and do a new higher rate. Their college graduation doesn't really mean anything to their employment of uh employment value. And you're kind of watching the labor force slowly deteriorate in ways. So it's like you could adapt into AI, labor force, like trade work and stuff, but the labor force, as we know it, is not going to be the same. And is are we going to have enough income pumping within the working class to keep it upright when we're the one that creates the credit, that creates the volume and the profit for the banks? It's like it just doesn't seem like the system can go on much longer.

SPEAKER_08 1:20:03

Yeah, because the way the system works is the people work to feed the government. The government doesn't have to be a good thing. But it works good enough.

SPEAKER_02 1:20:09

And it has for a while. And it now and it will for a while.

SPEAKER_09 1:20:12

No. That's money. You think it will keep on for a while without any?

SPEAKER_02 1:20:15

I think it's going to keep going because I don't I think a lot of people are just going to I don't know.

SPEAKER_09 1:20:20

Well, because we always print money when things get tough. Yeah, it's just we're going to be having the same thing.

SPEAKER_02 1:20:26

And yes, the divide is going to keep going up, but sort of I think we're going to get smart soon later.

SPEAKER_08 1:20:31

I think the people are learning about Citizens United in mass more than they ever had. I think they're starting to realize how bad corporate money and politics is making.

SPEAKER_02 1:20:41

But then they get to the point where, like, yeah, this sucks, but there's nothing we can do about it, so I'm going to go live my life.

SPEAKER_08 1:20:46

But they're not living their life. That's the whole point. But there's nothing. More and more people aren't living their life.

SPEAKER_02 1:20:50

Yes, it's got to increase and like obviously like I hope, I hope we get to the point where we can, I don't know, do something about it. And I feel like we are in our own ways, but I don't know, man. I've I get really blackpilly about it.

SPEAKER_08 1:21:05

But there was- But it's the thing, it's like the reason I brought up the Harvey Milk was because I was like, it was an attack on a gay person, yeah, specific person. And that can be a good thing.

SPEAKER_09 1:21:12

I was gonna ask that if it was based off the fact that he was gay.

SPEAKER_08 1:21:15

But so the larger part of it is that the more people that identify with the struggling lower middle class, the more that line pushes, the more they become a part of that group, yeah, the more likely those scenarios are to occur.

SPEAKER_09 1:21:31

Agreed, because the middle class is starting to feel more like a minority, at least financially.

SPEAKER_03 1:21:35

Oh, yeah.

SPEAKER_09 1:21:35

Right. And now, you know, we're not these it's and it's funny watching those fuckers 989 versus 300 million.

SPEAKER_08 1:21:42

Let's go. I think it's close to like 2,000. Where'd you get 989 from? Still good numbers. It's still it'd be a sufficient number. 989's in the US. Oh, okay. I guess my numbers are you're a global guy. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm not worried about China and Russia. Heard, heard.

SPEAKER_09 1:21:57

Well, it's interesting, like banking-wise, we talk four of the top, uh, I think seven banks are Chinese in the world. Three of the I think two or three of the top in the world are Chinese. So, I mean, the banking world is already shifted. You know, the finance world is close behind with some form of blockchain tokenization. That's gonna happen. So sick. So it's like, how are we supposed to keep the reins over the world when we're destabilizing it with war, our dollars becoming weaker and it's the world reserve currency, the petrodollars dissipating, all while China and other powers are are seemingly growing.

SPEAKER_08 1:22:30

That's the urgency versus important to me. Like, it feels like we're urgently trying to keep control of the world. Yes. Important we have control of the world. Yes. Like that's the question. I don't think it is.

SPEAKER_09 1:22:40

No, well, no, you're you're spot on. Like colonial imperialism is is the motivation behind I think a lot of our economics.

SPEAKER_08 1:22:47

All the rich people are urgently just trying to control the whole world. Yeah, yeah. But for the other 98% of us, we shouldn't think that that's important. We should not have 99.80.

SPEAKER_02 1:22:58

Yeah. I guess that's where propaganda comes in.

SPEAKER_08 1:23:01

Oh, I think if you're in the top 5%, you're so rich where you're still like, yeah, I don't care about those fuckers.

SPEAKER_09 1:23:06

Right, they don't care. That might even be just top like four percent that just are in this mode of not caring because it doesn't affect life's so good, man.

SPEAKER_08 1:23:12

What do you have to worry about?

SPEAKER_09 1:23:13

Nothing, right? It's like, why are you in this mindset? And people even listen to this, be like, Why am I listening to this? I'm getting dark. Like, part of it is preparation, too. Because if if you're in the mindset of this is a system, it is a game, you're on a monopoly board, you can still play the game and win. There's still rules to the game, there's still ways to, like we just said earlier, owning an asset. It may feel like owning an asset is out of the picture, but I mean there's there's plenty of ways you can absolutely succeed still. It's just the fact that there's going to be less people that do indeed succeed from nothing. A lot of the people that are succeeding are, you know, some form of hereditary wealth. Uh or they got their assets and business started in like 2012, 2008, 2016. Like I'm one of those. Yeah, yeah. The market was much different. Money was cheap, uh, things weren't nearly as expensive. Income to buying a home uh ratio was much more even keel. Um and it not not and I try to be as unbiased as possible, but it seems like a a lot of the uh correlation between the economy and the country as a whole just feeling more unstable really starts in 2016, and that is when Trump entered the picture. Uh everything seemed different. Yeah. Uh I can't give a tangible number out there to say this is the number that shows the difference, but it feels tangibly different, especially if you flash forward 2016 to 2026. I don't think people are nearly as, just as you said, optimistic about the future.

SPEAKER_02 1:24:40

Yeah, and COVID probably like really amped that up too. I mean, that's a big thing.

unknown 1:24:44

Yes. Yes.

SPEAKER_02 1:24:46

So I don't know, man. It's really easy to get black pill about it. And yeah, I agree. There's ways you can still survive. So bizarre. Coding? COVID. I was just talking to Carl about this. Like, it feels like COVID was still like a year ago. Like it feels like it wasn't that long.

SPEAKER_08 1:25:00

I'm just thinking about how bizarre.

SPEAKER_09 1:25:01

Like, why was uh six years just but at the same time, I find myself with less memories, especially outside of the house, because I didn't do anything exciting in the world for like two and a half years. Yeah, I find myself not with many memories, everything was a little bit more mundane. It's so weird. It's like that's when we got locked into algorithms, too.

SPEAKER_08 1:25:17

Yeah. TikTok went out, woo! Warzone came out, they were ruining us, bro.

SPEAKER_09 1:25:23

And you got the hyper sexualization on social media platforms. I mean, take me back to Warzone, man. Prime Warzone. I'd like to see a graph on porn use during COVID. I bet it spiked. It's probably crazy.

SPEAKER_08 1:25:32

I bet it spiked. I'm sure I absolutely did. Stop saying you know it's funny, Joe. Don't say that either. You're not allowed to say that phrase anymore. I like beating yourself.

SPEAKER_09 1:25:39

I like this four-person podcast where the two versions of Joe also have some conversations. I had no clue that this was a four-person podcast. That version use.

SPEAKER_08 1:25:51

Scary, man. He's like a during the pandemic. He might have been a third grade gym teacher. That 2020 is when I got closest to all of my immediate family that I've ever been, though. I spent the most time with my family because there was actually less distractions for me to go out and do. Yeah. I drank a lot at home. That wasn't good. I was an alcoholic. I spent more time with my side topic.

SPEAKER_09 1:26:16

Yeah, that wasn't good. Well, the benefits to this is I do think more people will go local, will go to community, will learn what their neighbor's name is, or go to a local event and talk to somebody at a vendor spot. Like, I do think that we're getting so over-techified, over-sexualized, over-propagandized, over everything. Like, even every like headline, every breaking news every day. It's just it's overwhelming our systems. I think a lot of us want to get back. I think uh, and this isn't a take by me, this is actually a Gary Vaynerchuk take of I think there's gonna be a lot of businesses that pop up that are analog, run clubs, puzzle stuff, bingo.

SPEAKER_08 1:26:52

Not even that's happening.

SPEAKER_09 1:26:54

It is happening, it is absolutely happening, and that's a good sign. That's good. Yeah, because we we're getting back into the analog space, which is where I feel a lot of people were more uh positive.

SPEAKER_08 1:27:05

What year though is they're charging garden clubs, it's becoming like a class.

SPEAKER_09 1:27:09

I met a lady Oh, next year when I really get my rungs under me, this may be my third year big garden. I should do like a little class, a little workshop. I could bring my mom in too.

SPEAKER_02 1:27:16

She's a G with it. I feel like we need to do more of that. Like the garden club in Milford is run just like it's like old retired ladies, you know, like they're doing it for fun. Um, they plant around Milford, like they put flowers by the sidewalks and take care of everything, and it's like awesome. Yeah. And I asked her, I was like, have you guys ever thought about a community garden? Like something where everybody can kind of like all help out at once, like maybe there's shifts, you can give back to the community, you can even sell stuff, like whatever it was. And she's like, you know, we we never thought about that. You know, would you like to join the garden club? Like, you want to help us out? And I was like, It's like I don't really have time, but yeah, coming together to put together a area that actually produces foods.

SPEAKER_08 1:27:52

Yeah, like I feel like them, Sean. You have time, you're just not willing to make time. I can't I No, I don't have time because I can't plant it.

SPEAKER_02 1:28:02

I can't plant time on my balcony.

SPEAKER_08 1:28:05

It's a joke about uh spices. You could have not played Last of Us Two and you could have done garden party research. We all need our alone time, all right? Sure do.

SPEAKER_09 1:28:12

Um at least connected to what we enjoy time. Yeah. So I'm not super subscribed to at this point alone time.

SPEAKER_02 1:28:18

I think there's really subscribed to alone time.

SPEAKER_09 1:28:20

Um, as much as I do have it, it's like there's nothing that improves my soul more than just being in community with anybody, just like with you. Yeah, no, that's fair being down here. That's fair, you know. Or like I said, building the fence yesterday by myself versus with my daughter and wife. Like, just I don't know. We are so subject to just a privatized life, and it's I feel like it's ripping apart a lot of what people need to do.

SPEAKER_02 1:28:44

Definitely in misconception, definitely need. I feel like that would have been a lot of people.

SPEAKER_09 1:28:48

It seems like it's moving the other direction, like the momentum has shifted the other way. Yeah, maybe I'm crazy for that, but no, not at all.

SPEAKER_02 1:28:54

You think that too? Yeah, I I think COVID probably exacerbated it. Like we all kind of got in our own little holes and and I say holes, you know, our own lanes, and then once like things started opening up and we could go into each other's lanes, it's like this is weird. I forgot how to drive, I forgot how to merge. Like, this is odd. And I think COVID's affected a lot of people's mental health than people care to admit. Same with like iPhones, like having an iPhone since you were like 10. Like, I think a lot of people growing up now are just gonna be even worse than probably me, and I feel like I'm pretty bad about it. So that's why I have UPOW.

SPEAKER_09 1:29:27

I need to stay the hell away from my phone. You think that young adolescents having a glass tablet that has access to all known human information? That's that's fine. I'm not gonna be 24-7, dude. That's dumb. No, that's fine. For$2.99 a month is a bad problem. It's a good deal, Sean. For unlimited information and communication helped idiot. I'm stupid. I'm I'm gone. See guys. I heard they'll buy your iPhone off you if you switch to T-Mobile right now. And you can take advantage of this deal. T Mobile.com for your chance.

SPEAKER_02 1:29:54

Wi-Fi should be free. Phone services should be free. That's my hot take. Everybody needs phone service, everybody needs Wi-Fi in this day and age. You can't do shit without Wi-Fi. Why are we paying so much money for that stuff?

SPEAKER_08 1:30:06

That's private sector, baby. That's private sector.

SPEAKER_09 1:30:09

I don't need Sean reading Marks now. We've already these people can't drive after that and that on the you're gonna really like Marks. Look, man, Marks and Lennon are so locked in. You know what, you know what other utility is?

SPEAKER_08 1:30:21

I need to read some more. You know what other utilities everyone needs that is becoming increasingly private?

SPEAKER_11 1:30:26

Electric.

SPEAKER_08 1:30:28

You're worried about internet. We can't even get water, brother. There's a lot of we can't even drink the basic sustenance of water, dude.

SPEAKER_02 1:30:36

You just need Wi-Fi.

SPEAKER_09 1:30:37

How are you gonna get on TikTok? What are you talking about? I'm gonna put together a list of all the homesteady things I'm doing because I got a well-driving kit just for that exact reason. Like if the electric goes out, I don't have access to water. This is my wall pump won't work.

SPEAKER_08 1:30:48

Anyone who listens to this and is the type of people like Zach, we need you to run for office. My mission is to we're gonna get you the governor of Delaware and we're gonna get all utilities public. Zach Meyer.

SPEAKER_09 1:30:59

Why?

SPEAKER_08 1:31:00

Because somebody gotta do it.

SPEAKER_09 1:31:02

Who's gonna do it? Us. How are we how are we public? How's that gonna happen? We just publicly funded, publicly like invested into, like publicly so hundred-year plan, nobody gotta pay for him. But won't that force the companies that are creating it to go under?

SPEAKER_08 1:31:18

No.

SPEAKER_09 1:31:18

What happens?

SPEAKER_08 1:31:19

That's what we gotta start figuring out.

SPEAKER_09 1:31:21

Okay, well, we got time because I'm not I'm not in any rush.

SPEAKER_08 1:31:24

We got plenty of economists, we got plenty of other they're DMing us all the time. I think I have to be over the age of 35 anyway. Yeah, that's why we're gonna start start small. We're gonna go with county executive. Let's get him in there. Yeah, you're over 35. I don't want to do that. We're gonna go county executive.

SPEAKER_09 1:31:38

Same passing his shit off to me.

SPEAKER_08 1:31:40

No, here's the thing. I think you could do that. I feel like you'd be like, I think you have stronger conviction in what you believe in, and people just like you better. You're handsome. I got wrinkly eyes.

SPEAKER_09 1:31:48

Every time I look at myself with this beard, I remind myself why I shave it.

SPEAKER_08 1:31:51

I cuss too much.

SPEAKER_09 1:31:52

I don't feel too handsome.

SPEAKER_02 1:31:53

You're looking more and more like your father.

SPEAKER_08 1:31:54

You know who you kind of look like? You look like Sam Marrill, the comedian. Sam Marill? Yeah. Samuel. How do you spell Marrill? With your beard. M-O-R-R-I-L-L. Say that one more time. M-O-R-R. There he is. That's what you look like with your beard. Oh, I know that guy. I see that. Yeah, kind of. He's actually hilarious. Yeah, he's really Oh, it's one L. Oops. He used to date Taylor Tomlinson, who featured your video on her short-lived show on CBS. Oh, she doesn't have a show anymore?

unknown 1:32:28

Nah.

SPEAKER_09 1:32:29

Oh. It's probably because he used my clip. Back to standard. So the last point I want to uh point out on because I'm I'm gonna be reposting a video that I did originally in April of last year, redid October of last year, and then posted again this February, just to keep people on task with a basic prediction that I have made around the bond markets increasing, which is gonna increase our rates. It's gonna slow credit creation, and it's just gonna morph on top of all these other problems. The the birth rate, the lack of homeownership, the lack of marriages, the high food prices, healthcare, childcare. Like it's all gonna stack like Jenga, like a stupid Jenga tower of stupid.

SPEAKER_02 1:33:07

It's gonna tip.

SPEAKER_08 1:33:08

It's gonna tip the bond market right now. If the banks go out of business, they can't foreclose your house, right?

SPEAKER_09 1:33:16

Uh I think the assets get transferred to whoever either purchases their assets or purchases the company as a as a whole. Because sometimes the actual bank doesn't fall apart. Like bear Stearns went to zero and then back to 10%. So people could share sell off their shares and people could buy them at like pennies on the dollar.

SPEAKER_07 1:33:32

It's typically what happens.

SPEAKER_08 1:33:34

So if we just keep letting the banks fail, that's what Iceland did after no more mortgages. Oh yeah. Sorry.

SPEAKER_02 1:33:42

That's what Iceland did. No, I gotta I thought I was getting hacked this morning in my bank account. You just reminded me I need to check. What? Yeah, this morning I uh went to Dolce and found out I my card was declined and I couldn't access my bank account. And I thought I got hacked. It was really scary. Well, you weren't? Huh? You're good though? I think so. I'm gonna check right now. Keep talking, guys. Sorry.

SPEAKER_09 1:34:01

I was just gonna uh finish off bond market because this is the thing that's going to be the warning signal of the crack. The the bond market here. Let me actually pull this back. Can I go all CNBC let me do that? Or I got paid.

unknown 1:34:13

Cool.

SPEAKER_08 1:34:13

It's doing great.

SPEAKER_09 1:34:14

So let's go over here to uh 2008. Um, a lot of people remember post-2008 all the way through 2023 as a low rate environment, and that's very much true. That's this area right here. But what a lot of people don't realize is you know, because people say, Well, why weren't people buying homes? They were so cheap. A lot of the reason had to do rates with rates. Rates had actually started to spike right after the bank crack happened. But if we look at prior to that bank crack happening, it was even higher. So the fact is, this is when home prices really started to increase um post 2001 in the 90s. It's one of the most affordable eras of housing. You have to go all the way back to like late 70s to find another time that's similar to today-ish. Um, but the bond rate was slowly starting to come down. It only started to go back up seemingly over time as banks were making riskier investments. There's a lot of factors involved in this. We had wars, we had a lot, but the bond market is the unbiased reflection of the economy. This is the best way that we can look at the status of the economy because what it is saying is how much is an investor willing to make or not make on investing in our country. It's our debt being packaged off and sold. This is the 10-year treasury yield, so it has to be held to a 10-year maturity date. Uh but interchanger uh brokers often sell them privately, third party, regardless of all that. Right now we see that since the war back to just last year. Since the war, we were actually starting to trend down. This is the day before the are we good?

SPEAKER_08 1:35:51

Uh it's not recording the screen anymore.

SPEAKER_11 1:35:54

It's recording, it's just on I think you press the number.

SPEAKER_08 1:35:57

Uh, which number do I need to press?

SPEAKER_11 1:35:59

I don't I actually don't think it's a number.

SPEAKER_02 1:36:01

Okay, we're gonna have to play a game. So you're gonna have to move your mouse over? Okay.

SPEAKER_11 1:36:05

Uh you know what?

SPEAKER_08 1:36:07

Yeah, just take take the mouse. Take the mouse. We could just save this graphic and then make a picture so we can edit it in PNP. Is this working?

SPEAKER_06 1:36:16

Should be.

SPEAKER_09 1:36:20

Tech Live. For all those listening, I'm gonna take this opportunity to thank you. Hey yeah. Uh, you've been here for a good hour, half plus. Don't have a timer in front of me, but thank you so much for supporting us. Thank you so much for supporting any of our if you got through the first 15 minutes, you're a real one. Let me for real. Any of our cycle of content, whether it be your transfer over from our short form platforms, whether you typically listen to just me solo, um, or you've watched any of our YouTube or listened to our Spotify, thank you so much. Um, this is on its own solo channel. So if you want all the others, uh feel free to check our links as well as on YouTube if you're listening on our flagship channel, Zach Fowl Show. We do have a membership platform now, the Dollar Club. And great merch designed by our in-house merch designer, Mr. Joe Baird. Clap for yourself. You should always clap for yourself. Okay, so I can bring this back up.

SPEAKER_02 1:37:14

Yeah, just don't press one, two, or three.

SPEAKER_09 1:37:15

Got it. Okay, so again, I just want to uh get back into last year. So this is when the war started. You could see that the bond rate was actually starting to come down. The reason for this is because inflation was starting to get projected as to start slowing down, that maybe one day we'd actually get to that 2% goal or lower. And then February 28th, we start a war. So again, when we look at things like the economy or the stock market, even we don't really see the war shaping out into the numbers because the S P 500 is trending up above the pre-war levels. But if we look at pre-war levels of the bond market, we could see that now that's actually starting to climb once again to about 4.4. So the bond market is how I believe graphs like this have their spike down. Because in the past, it has been the bonds and it has been credit creation, especially when it's limited, that freezes the economy and forces assets to lose value because banks aren't making enough money. That's when you get bank cracking, and that's why they print money, is because they want to get credit moving again. They want people to have money again, and that also lowers the rate. So I think economically speaking, everything we're saying, like though it can sound black pilly, gray pilly, whatever pilly, it lines up with what the overall macro sentiment around the country is, which is viewed in the bond market. That's how it's that's the best place to view it, is the bond market. Does that make sense? Speaking crazy. No, that makes total sense. Sure. Why are you getting sassy on me? I just don't.

SPEAKER_08 1:38:51

We're in a different space where you think the way the money moves is the most important thing.

SPEAKER_09 1:38:55

And I think that's it's the determining factor, though.

SPEAKER_08 1:38:57

Yeah, but I think that's the big lie. I'm I'm out on that. It's a big lie, but it's how the system runs. I don't think money matters anymore.

SPEAKER_09 1:39:04

But it does, Joe. You can't you can't you can personally view that, and I personally, you know, I view that way similarly. But monetary at a large large scale, our countries run on money. The whole world is, yeah. So when the system cracks, it will affect things that matter to you that aren't money, just as you said earlier. What clothes, food, gas.

SPEAKER_08 1:39:21

I think what I'm trying to explain is saying it matters now when we know the system is fractured, I don't think it matters as much as changing it back. What do you mean changing it back? You talk about the nineties as like being the golden era of like defining for middle class, upper mobility, class mobility. So it's like redefining those standards. Like these are numbers for a corrupt, crooked system run by billionaires buying out our so for me, it's like I don't even care about that.

SPEAKER_07 1:39:52

I care about No, we gotta root for it to collapse just for the exact reason you said returning citizens united.

SPEAKER_09 1:39:57

But that's what we can that's what collapse does. Collapse causes restructuring. Yeah, we need to root for the collapse, no, in a way. But I get your point of not caring about money as much. I'm I'm right there with you. Yeah. But it's what runs the game.

SPEAKER_08 1:40:10

It I guess it's the psychology of you're saying we should sit and w wait to see this train crash. In a way, I want us to prepare under I want us to get away from the case.

SPEAKER_09 1:40:20

What if we change the course of the train a little? I don't even think we can do that. I think we need to get away from the side of the crash. I I think we need to get as far away as we can from the side of the crash. Because at some point when that happens, if and when, like you'll be happy that you learned how to garden a little bit, or that you stored water, or that you had a generator, or that you just found out you love puzzles, so now the Wi-Fi doesn't really matter as much. I don't know. I try to white pill the black pilly parts. Sure. He doesn't agree. He doesn't like me. He doesn't want to talk. No, don't fake agree with me. Don't fake agree with me.

unknown 1:40:55

I don't want that.

SPEAKER_08 1:40:56

It's just uh, you know, it's the mighty question. Is doing those things gonna benefit humanity in a hundred or a thousand years? That's true. Or is it just gonna benefit you now?

SPEAKER_09 1:41:05

Do you think like the skills around like the homesteady stuff? I mean, you pass on to your kids. Like you can definitely do some education course, yeah. Yeah, some family lineage benefits. Yeah, yeah. I rock with that heavy. They eat better, it makes it feel better. Walmart. Yeah, it makes it feel uh more empowering to do those little things and learn that kind of stuff when you know you are passing on a legitimate skill to your next of kin. It's very cool.

SPEAKER_08 1:41:30

Dude, can I agree with I'll give a little insider ball, but I won't name his name. We went to DC last week and during the glycephate uh there was like a Supreme Court decision for they were hearing arguments about Bayer and should they be liable for their products causing cancer um and not putting warnings on the labels, blah blah blah. We got to interview a bunch of people and interviewed a few US senator House of Reps. Without naming names, I was fascinated because one of the people we talked to when we were talking about this issue, I was fascinated by the way they talked about it. They weren't talking about the human impact like the protesters were, right? They weren't talking about um whether or not it was right or wrong for Bayer to be allowed to not put warnings on a product that we know causes cancer now. We're just talking about how the Supreme Court would talk about it. Just talking about like how it applies into this uh precedence of state rights versus the federal government. And it was interesting to see that that was the mindset behind these major decisions because Bears paid out billions of dollars in damages in state courts.

SPEAKER_09 1:42:52

And now they're to lobby millions to not have to do that anymore.

SPEAKER_08 1:42:56

And they lobbied a bunch to the U.S. government, the Trump administration to be like, hey, help us with this. We keep losing money in the states and we don't want to. So it got elevated to the U.S. Supreme Court to make a decision on whether it's legal for these things to happen. And just to hear someone whose job is to represent the constituents and is to represent Americans, just purely interested in the political dynamics of it and not really focused on the impact on their individual constituents, was both interesting and scary a little bit. And a very sad to watch and excited about the legal arguments, like a spark of joy talking about how it was being pitched back and forth between the legal teams. I was like, that is a weird way to view the world when it's about billions of dollars in payouts for people who got cancer because they lied about a product being dangerous, and a very social media popular representative, too.

SPEAKER_09 1:43:54

Yeah, yeah. I'll give one with no more name as well, and maybe then we could say what really it was mine the weakest. We can pill it a little bit of like, oh, let's do that. They're a little slea soon. So that's the vibe I got on the one that you didn't go to that I went. Um I missed. So you know who you know who I'm talking about. Yep. Worse. 100%. I I worse. I bet. I bet. So I get in there and I'm setting up the cameras, right? I'm not doing the actual, sorry, audio engineer, video engineer, let me know if it scoot over. I'm not actually hosting this interview. I volunteered to help the other person set up and film it. And I enjoy that. Like me and Sean geek over video stuff all the time. Like I really enjoy like framing up lighting, all that stuff.

SPEAKER_02 1:44:34

Not as good as you, but fun.

SPEAKER_09 1:44:35

Competition. It is fun. It is fun. It's like, how do I get this from my brain to real life? So we're we're getting there, and the host is late. Got caught in traffic, Uber canceled on her three times before that. Um, so about 20 minutes late. So I'm set up and in walks the representative. Just me and them sits down, says uh hey, or I say hey, uh, gets up, shakes hand, just one little passing word or so, and then he's back to sitting down. I finish setting up in about two minutes, and I kind of just sit on the couch. And about five minutes goes by, and all this person's been doing is scrolling and texting on their phone.

SPEAKER_08 1:45:15

Same with that other person I was talking about the whole time.

SPEAKER_09 1:45:17

The whole just scrolling and texting, scrolling and texting. And then there's this big Mac screen in between the two of us, which he sat procurelessly so that we're literally out of eyesight. His assistant comes in, asks if I want anything. It's like, yeah, I'll take a water, blah, blah, blah. And I'm sitting there, I don't even have my phone on me. I'm just kind of sitting looking around. And there's just someone in the office, another person. But because I'm not the social media influencer he's waiting for, I don't, I'm just a kind of a meaningless conversation, and he's just locked into his phone instead. And my brain is like, if these screens didn't exist and like that computer screen and that phone wasn't sitting in your lap, this would be insanely weird. If me and you were just sitting in the room together, I looked at the clock, 22 minutes passed by, not one word. Didn't acknowledge past that, didn't try to make any type of small talk, and he's doesn't have any right to have to do that. Yeah. Um, but as a representative of the people, I felt they'd be more people-y, I guess. I guess is where I got off on it. And and then the moment the camera turned on, lights on. Ready to perform. Ready to perform. Camera off, off. And it was just interesting to watch as a fly on the wall because he doesn't know who I am. So I just kind of got to watch as the just person in the back, just watching, and it was it was an interesting examination. And maybe it shouldn't be the full scope of his character summed up in a 22-minute span.

SPEAKER_08 1:46:34

Yeah, but well, entrepreneur bros would argue it's a signal-to-noise ratio. You were noise, and the signal was on his phone, he was locked in, you know. Yeah, could go either way.

SPEAKER_09 1:46:43

And another big social media person. So, I mean, it's almost like that gets uh I think Marjorie Taylor Green and even Sarah McBride, it says something like some of these Congress people just really get off on the thrill of going viral. Yeah, and thrill of being talked about in the feeds on Twitter and stuff like that. I don't know. I believe it. I don't know. What do you got planned out for the week, man? Let's end on a good note. Me? Yeah, anything exciting? Anything working?

SPEAKER_02 1:47:04

Yeah, just uh well, I'm gonna I'm prepping to go to Tennessee. I'm gonna go see my mom. Um, so me and my sister are gonna fly out Friday. Hopefully, it wasn't Spirit. It's not it's some new company. I can't remember what it is, but yeah, we're gonna fly out there, spend the weekend in Tennessee, see what's going on. We're gonna go to a couple parks, uh, restaurants.

SPEAKER_08 1:47:24

Um drive to the airport, get there, drive to wherever you're going in Tennessee. I have no idea. That's I've done that to Nashville.

SPEAKER_09 1:47:32

It's like probably drive hour and a half and then three-hour flight, two and a half hour flight. Hour in the airport. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Because you gotta get there early for that.

SPEAKER_08 1:47:41

Yeah, so it's probably only a couple hours short of taking the drive. Yeah, 20 minutes to get out. That drive's long.

SPEAKER_09 1:47:47

That's all.

SPEAKER_08 1:47:48

It's a beautiful drive.

SPEAKER_09 1:47:49

It is a beautiful drive. We did the drive out to Arkansas over a day and a half, and we really actually enjoyed it. I've driven to Texas non-stop.

SPEAKER_08 1:47:56

Really? All the way across, showing horses. Texas? Mm-hmm. I am Fort Worth, baby. Texas. Beautiful sights ever. It was a lot of drive. Minnesota non-stop choice was fun. Driving's good for you. Myrtle beach non-stop here in a couple weeks.

SPEAKER_02 1:48:09

Brutally boring drive. Hate that one. It's just a straight shot. I'll tell them to like, we gotta have three things we're gonna do. We're gonna listen to a podcast for an hour, a book for an hour, and then music for an hour, and then we're just gonna keep cycling through. That'll help out, hopefully. It's like a nine-hour, 10-hour drive. Yeah, pulling a hard time. Or even just you get to be with your girl.

SPEAKER_08 1:48:32

Yeah, no, it'll be a fun time. We'll be a fun time. Everyone always hypes up that stupid 17-mile tunnel bridge. The drive through the Delmarva Peninsula is one of the worst. It's just like driving through the state of Arkansas. It's just nothing. I agree. It's just nothing. Shout out Arkansas, Arkansas. And then, yeah, driving through the Carolinas isn't much better. What about you, brother? Working, man. We switched over CRMs. I gotta get on the phone with all the agents, make sure they're all good and up to speed. Just start doing that this week. I finally think I know what I'm doing in our new CRM. All the listeners know exactly what he's talking about. But we gotta shoot some YouTube videos this week for the real estate channel. So just I'm trying to get into real estate mode again. I'm really focusing on my real estate course that I've been doing. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:49:15

Oh.

SPEAKER_08 1:49:16

So I got into the last like 10%, but I think I'm gonna this month I want to go through the whole thing again. Just as like a repetition to remember.

SPEAKER_09 1:49:26

They make study guides too, they're really beneficial.

SPEAKER_08 1:49:28

Yeah, I have a couple of those, so I'm gonna try to go through everything again and then get that figured out. Right. Hopefully for June. Yeah.

SPEAKER_09 1:49:35

No, that's a good timeline.

SPEAKER_08 1:49:37

But a lot of focus in on it.

SPEAKER_09 1:49:38

Yeah, end of June. That's a super good timeline. You can test in July. We're caught up and good. Yeah, be done by summer. Yeah.

SPEAKER_07 1:49:43

Yeah.

SPEAKER_09 1:49:44

No, I love that. The work on my side, same deal. Obviously, we're working together on the same project. So you're taking over the you're on the logistical, marketing, branding side of our real estate company. Um, as well as doing what we're doing here. But the the work will intend. We have another pod tomorrow. So our Zach Fowl show. Um, and then I will be heading up to another podcast in Wilmington after that. So somewhere in Wilmington, Delaware. And then guesting on Pod Thursday and Friday after our other shoots. So Thursday we don't have a shoot.

SPEAKER_03 1:50:18

Nice.

SPEAKER_09 1:50:18

We'll just connect and logisticize. We're trying to busynify the value that we can bring via content. Um, we don't want to just create a still gotta make a living. Yeah, we don't want to make a content engine for the sake of a content engine space. We could, uh, and there's definitely money in it, but we actually want to like have a purpose kind of thing, like bring some benefits.

SPEAKER_08 1:50:39

I mean, we have a pretty big plan to increase our content and we're working on it. Yeah. Got those video series, so little by little, brick by brick.

SPEAKER_02 1:50:48

That's gonna be great for the listeners and the viewers. If you're listening, you guys gotta go back and watch that.

SPEAKER_08 1:50:54

All right, good job. Do you want to do your your classic spiel at the end?

unknown 1:51:00

What do you think?

SPEAKER_08 1:51:01

You kind of did it. Like, subscribe, comment. Yeah, I did it. Tell your mom. I did it throughout. Call your dad. Thanks, guys, for listening. Suck some just see you in the next one. Okay, bye.

SPEAKER_09 1:51:10

Why are we sucking toes?