Your Net Worth Is Not Your Personal Worth | Zach Foust on Bigg Fella

Noah Tanner brought me on Bigg Fella for one of those conversations that just goes everywhere in the best way possible. We started talking about buying your first home in 2026 and ended up deep in self discipline, mental health, disconnecting from screens, and what it actually means to build a life that is worth living.

I told him my honest take on homeownership right now. Is it still worth it? Yes. But not for the reasons most people think. We broke down what the housing market actually looks like for Gen Z and millennials today, how to think about your first purchase when the numbers feel impossible, and why owning an asset in a K shaped economy is still the single best thing most people can do for their long term financial picture.

We also got into the stuff I have been talking about more on my own show lately. You are the number one asset. Your discipline, your mental clarity, your ability to sit in silence and know yourself is worth more than anything in your portfolio. And I closed with the one thing I want you to remember. Your net worth and your personal worth are not the same thing and should never be treated like they are.

Noah Tanner is doing something real with Bigg Fella. He coaches big guys, he runs marathons, and he asks real questions without an agenda. Go subscribe to his channel and show him some love.

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Today we're having a conversation with Zach Faust from the Zach Faust Show. Zach is a realtor and a content creator who's amassed over three million followers across platforms. He has delved into politics, economics, and affordability for the average American. He is an incredible, incredible influence for young men. He talks about the importance of mental health and how to take care of yourself when the world around you feels crazy. Today we talk about affordability, buying your first home, and how to find that peace when it feels like the numbers are continuously stacking against you. It was a fantastic conversation, and I hope you enjoy. Let's get into it. So why take a deal for $5,000 now? That doesn't make any sense. I don't want to sell out for the same reasons. Oh God, yeah. No, me too. Me too. That's my thing, too. Is like if I'm gonna if I'm gonna sell anything, air quotes, to the people that follow me and listen to my message, it's like I'm not going to provide anything to you unless I know for a fact it's going to work if you apply yourself. Like I'm not just gonna give you a fairly if it's a worthwhile investment, right? It's a lot of the a lot of the things that get sold, especially to to to quote unquote influencers or like co-marketing campaigns, are things that are just mere consumptions. Oh, yeah. If uh if there is something that arrives like, hey, this costs you know a hundred dollars, but it's gonna give them a value that exceeds that 10x and X or Y, okay, then maybe. But it has to be something that, like you said, that you have you're you yourself have to be the proof of concept. I mean, you yourself know that. Like as somebody who preaches accountability, you've lived through one of the hardest forms of accountability, which is one's own flesh. Uh and and tackling that in a time where I'm sure you've heard it, most people took the COVID-19 opportunity to gain weight. Definitely, definitely, man. No, it it was uh it was I'm blessed in a lot of ways, but yeah, it's it's something that's stuck true to me, and I I think that's something that why why so many guys resonate with your message? Like when you're sitting here talking about um, you know, trying to make trying to help, like, yo, I know, you know, government corruption, you know, the the economy is just getting more and more difficult for the average person working a normal nine to five job, just trying to have a little bit of money left over to buy their own house or to have assets. Like, I guess my first like real question to kind of kick off a conversation, like I mean, we've been talking, I've loved this, but like what decided what what made you decide to jump into like I'm gonna start talking about this, I'm gonna start posting about this because I know you were former military and then you were realtor. Are you are you still doing that? And now what's kind of your evil master plan going forward now that you have this bigger, pretty awesome audience, and you were just hanging out with Thomas Massey not too long ago. That's crazy, right? No, that was crazy. What was crazier was him just allowing 30 people, of which he had met a good deal of us on the internet, not not really me, um, into his home. No security, no background check. I mean, we we lost a true like dude. Like that guy was a bro. Like, we didn't talk a lick of politics. I got the opportunity to run the interview with him, so we were both mic'd up. We were just talking about homesteading. He was so excited to show me like which roots like you pulled out and had this like yellow stuff in it, and this is like blood root, and kids would use it for war makeup, and just he's a nerd. Uh, it he was fun to hang out with, but um wow, evil master plan right out here out loud. Okay, so what got me into this honestly was I was making social media content to sell homes. I was kind of doing it a little bit before it was super cool over on Facebook in like 2017, and that quickly went into Instagram and then I went on TikTok in 2019, and I just wanted to sell homes. And younger uh still remembers the analog ages of you know, finding out where your friends were by the dribbling of the basketball and calling the landline to talk to pops before you could talk to your crush, like fully there. But at the same time, uh by 18, 19, had a smartphone in my hand. So a really uh interesting timeline. My age group at 32 is living, um, similar to you. Uh and I I think that meshed into my ADHD, which is constantly asking why. My mom hated it, but the business side loved it because I was constantly trying to figure out ways to do stuff better and different. And so I leaned into social media. I got uh, man, I got put on stages like left and right. I was coaching, making a near half mil a year, a couple years. Uh, they were putting me on these crazy podcasts, all in like the real estate sales world. And I got to meet all these people and do all these things, and I realized like kind of quickly, these these old heads I'm around, right? Because I was the I was a young guy. I was I was the TikTok guy. Um, I I'm next to the people that were on like, yeah, the the people who get on on the CNN panel when they need a housing specialist, and people that are on selling sunset, which all of them are dicks, by the way. Um every single one. Name a Netflix series about real estate, every single one. Um I met a producer that was super cool, but cast. Um I I looked around the room. I'm like, if I'm to pick an archetype of which I want to work toward, none of you really fit the bill of something that I think I'd be satisfied with. Could they be fun? Could they be exciting? Could they be thrilling? Could could they be something that's you know absolutely a benefit to society? Sure. But but what's gonna also satisfy me, knowing I'm going after that, and none of it really hit. Um, and that hit me back home, and that was probably like 2022-ish, 2023-ish. I really started leaning back more into my family, and we just had a daughter, and uh me and my wife, we were we were doing all right, but now we're doing amazing. Uh, and now we have a little homestead. But all of that kind of started at the same time where the housing market shifted. Because while doing all this, we're also selling a bunch of homes back here in Delaware. We still do today. We'll sell over a hundred homes. We're one of the top teams in southern Delaware, loft team, Google us. Um, leave a decent review because the Israeli bots are leaving negative reviews, literally, which is a signal that we're hitting the right the right message from doing what you want to do. Yeah, right, right. Literally leave a review. So go leave a five-star fight, Israel. Um, so around that same time, uh, the housing market starts shifting. Uh, people I was selling homes to, veterans, uh, people I went to college with, high school with, do one income, split from their wife, or or just young couples, boyfriends, girlfriends, fiances, getting married, could get a house. And it wasn't super difficult. And I was really into providing the path to it because it seemed like a really good investment. I was a nerd and I kind of understood the flow of money. And I was like, okay, this is probably a really good thing to get people. We were talking about this before I think the recording started, that it's really good to sell something you're really proud of. And I was proud of it. On 2023, I was like, I'm not super proud of this anymore. Like, this is really, this is really expensive. Why is no one talking about this? And then I would talk to other experts from those networking groups and be like, hey, hey, what's going on? And I'd be like, hey, you're uh you're you're four or five car financing companies. Can I talk to you about those? And and I started going to you know, one was car finance, one was an insurance mogul, one was doing all the insurance policies, and I was asking him questions. And slowly but surely I was starting between listening to the consumers on places like TikTok, where it really seems you can get a bird's eye view quickly of what's actually going on in places and things like X, combined with some high networking people. By the end of 2023, through my own research in these connections, I deemed like, oh my God, like everyone's gonna be screwed for like the next 10 years. We got to start doing something. And then I now I'm here. It is really the best way I could summarize it. I I tasted the the life that the 1%, the top shape of the K get. Um, I hold an asset and I and I'm I'm well off enough to be on the top side of the K, but the the amount of people that exist on this side of the economy that do not look back and realize the damage they're causing or the people that are being left behind in their wake of the great investment portfolio is it's very sociopathic. And I just don't want to be a part of that crew. 100%. And that that takes so much, so much you got balls, and I love that you do, but like you also have a moral compass, which I love. Like you you you you don't let the money overtake your morals, and I think that's why people resonate with you so freaking much. And I think I found your account, I want to say late 2024 is when I started following you over on TikTok. So I I I've I've I've known you've been on from at least talking about this, yeah. Right, yeah, it's it's been at least a little bit, right? It hasn't, I'm not like brand new to your stuff. Definitely I've really enjoyed a lot of your content. And I love how you mentioned that you made it to the top of the K, right? I when we were we were talking about it before I was started recording, but we talked about like while I was losing 100 pounds during COVID. Every other hour of my day, you can ask my fiance, she was going crazy because I was going crazy. I would spend, I was like, I still have all this time on my hands. Video games get boring after a while. What else am I gonna do with myself? I was religiously studying every single thing I could about economics, the stock market, crypto. I had friends that were getting me into crypto, so I was trying to learn that as well, understanding real estate and you know, FHA loans and just how to acquire rental properties. And I'm 18 at the time, so like I don't have a ton of liquid at this time, right? But I'm like, I need to I need to acquire these skills. I tried to join a personal finance class in high school. There was only one block, and they put me in an AP class instead. I was like, cool. Um, regardless, like I was frustrated by the fact that that was not part of the structural education. We can crap on the education system all we want. There's plenty of flocks. Like a fella, right? Right. But even bigger than that, like my ability to just hunker down and learn all those things while also losing the weight set me up for so much success because I was still living at home at the time. That was a huge privilege and a huge blessing because I was able to save a lot of money relative to where I was, and I was able to invest a lot of that money. And now that's been able to, I've been able to watch my assets grow. I mean, I'm just a I'm just a SP and chill kind of guy. That's mostly where, you know, that's how I've my my philosophy's been for a while. Um, but that's the COVID, it's paid well for you. It it it's been it's been great, it's been really awesome, and I feel very lucky. But I was like, guys, you gotta get in on this. Like like and in index funds are so cool. I'm trying to explain this to my friends, but they're all college kids, they don't have much liquid cash, right? I'm like, now they're all making great money at their own jobs, like they're doing fine. But that K-shaped economy is something that I wish more people understood because there are people that are like, I do still think I'd like to be optimistic that it's still possible for the average person to join that upper part of the K and have enough assets to start seeing a difference being made. But I think it starts at the core as an education issue. And I think when you say K-shaped economy, people don't even know what that means. So I'd love for you to explain that to everyone who in my audience that maybe doesn't know what that means. Right. Put simply, just like the letter K, uh, in economics, what's defined as a K-shaped recovery, or sometimes you'll read it as a bifurcated recovery, is what we experienced post-COVID. We printed a lot of money, but added no value. So the money had to go somewhere and it went to assets. When people have extra money and there's nothing else to invest in, people buy assets. When when poor people get checks like STIMI checks, they get watches and shirts and cars. When wealthy people get extra money, which they benefited off of the PPP loans and many other programs, they buy assets. So assets naturally went up in cost, and you have things like stock buybacks and other things inflating the economy. I don't have to go into all that. That's what's generated this inflated economy. But the problem is when all the money is flowing to assets because the dollar is weakening, and so the asset's simultaneously growing in value. Asset could be gold, silver, a house, dirt, a stock portfolio, a pick a choo card. I'm hearing like there are there are several wealth holders these days, uh, crypto. Um, not fart coin, but like Bitcoin, an insane, an insane asset, a real tangible asset. Uh, they grew. And the K-shaped economy is really defined by one question and one question alone. Did you or did you not hold an asset pre-2022? If you did, you probably feel a little bit different about this economy. If you held before 2020 or even 2015, you feel a ton different about this economy, largely also because once you reach a higher age bracket, as well as a higher level on the K, because you've taken on assets for a long period of time, you're not as worried about new car payment financing because you have money to buy in cash. Your kids aren't in child care. Your healthcare, it's a part of your retirement package, like all of the problems that the younger generations are facing. The older boomer, especially the older wealthy boomer, are so disconnected from. And you would hope they download apps like the social media platforms have, like Instagram and TikTok and other things to learn about these things where we are. Um, but that's why I mean you need to get deeper into the long form realms so that we can uh get in front of somebody's grandparents. Completely agree. I think, I mean, I think that's the natural way of things as the audiences mature, they'll hopefully, I mean, I like to think so anyway, they'll move to more of the long form stuff. I know that's a lot I've done. I mean, I spend way more time on YouTube than anywhere else. Sure. Spotify, YouTube, Audible. That's that's a good 85% of my watch time. Really? You're listening to stuff on SubSec. I thought that was like an article. No, it's it's reading, it is article, but it's just like a different, it's still kind of like a social media sort of type of thing. I just have such a hard time reading on my phone. No, I only have a hard time doing it. It's like a spare time type of thing for sure. Yeah, it's not super with it. If it's not in a book or even my computer is different, like when I'm doing research or something, like I'm doing a deep dive, I'm usually doing it on a computer because it's a big screen activity, yeah. And it's multiple because I got three screens and a big screen in my in my studio. And so I, you know, lights are down, music's up, all the screens are gone. My ADHD is just like, yeah, on the phone, it's just like this is too slow. Yeah, no, I can I completely agree. I completely agree. My next uh question, because I I mean you spent you get to spend so much time talking about this, and I love how a lot of your content recently I've noticed is like I saw you were trying to do um like an in-person meetup, like men, let's meet, let's talk. And that those are spaces that I've been holding in my local area. Uh, I started doing a run club, and you know, we're starting to just kind of make it more accessible. Obviously, I target more of just, I mean, any young men, any guy, you know, in Gen Z or millennial, um, I'm really speaking their language, but specifically the bigger guys for myself. Like, what would you say to someone who hasn't gotten the education or maybe hasn't fully gotten that leg up or is just in the trenches trying? What would you say is like the best piece of advice to a guy who's Gen Z or millennial, trying to take more accountability for his personal finance, trying to get more assets to work for him when it feels like he maybe is getting like he's his effort is increasing, but the payout has stayed the same or even worsened. Well, um, the first thing I would say is the greatest asset that one can obtain is the asset of self-discipline. Uh, because you are the number one asset. You're the umbrella LLC for anything else family, business, health, fitness, finance. It's all under the umbrella of who you are right up here. And what I find in my life, maybe, maybe not yours, but what I found in my life is oftentimes um my life is a lot like golf. So I love golf. I'm not very good at golf. I can get like a like an 81, 86 out there is like kind of my average. So not terrible, but experienced enough to see like the way that I improve in golf is you improve in chunks. You don't go from like I'm an 88, then I'm an 87, then I'm an 86. You go from like, okay, I'm hitting a hundred to like all of a sudden I'm hitting a 93. And the reason is because the score accumulates over the course if you're just really suck at a specific shot. So if you're an awful putter, well, guess what? You're gonna be on a green 18 times. Uh if you have no short game, you're probably not gonna be hitting the green too heavy. So it's just all compounds on each other. Uh I view the life improvement, is often the same thing. Where when I can take discipline and authority over one piece of my life, other decisions seem to get easier and other habits build off of it faster and more effectively. Yes, it compounds, exactly. So just like golf, and as frustrating as that stupid sport is, it's really only one or two clicks away that's usually in your brain, not even your body, that's keeping you from bringing in a new chunk. Uh, and and it always comes down to doing something that you don't want to do. So tangibly, I would say take a week and do an all fast. Like get off all socials, and that doesn't mean find something else to do on the phone. Just like literally don't use it and and take an hour each of those days to just sit in silence and stare at a wall, stare out a window, sit on your porch, don't read, don't do a sudoku. That's fine in other times, other than the phone. Right now is nothing. And you don't have to not think about anything, just do nothing. Be bored, experience what your body does when it's not stimulated. And like detached from this super loud, super divided, super info, like over stimulating information. I mean, God, I'm blessed with the ability to have 86 tabs open at once, but even I feel fried sometimes. So God bless anyone who does isn't a narrow divergent brain. Am I right? I'm like, good lord, the muzzle velocity is crazy. You weren't designed for that. So disconnect, learn oneself, get back to enjoying life again, finding the lust in the little things, and and grow from there. And that could mean a million different things, but I I would say no building is built on a foundation that doesn't take up 80% of the time. Uh, like you you gotta take up time on the foundation before you start moving up. It can feel slow, it can feel stupid, but ultimately, like you are the greatest asset, and I want your brain taken care of. 100%. That's it. Sounds I I love that you said find the lust in the little things. I I'm I'm definitely gonna be stealing that uh in coaching calls. So I'll I'll credit you, don't worry. Literally just said it. It's not trademark, that's all yours. That's good, that's good, especially off the top of the dome. No, but that sounds so familiar to the one because I have these really deep, like like rock solid, like no-filter conversations with my clients. And and you know, one day it's it's boundary setting at work, one day it's just going over the meal plan, one day it's it's it's I gotta fix something with my finances, or I'm like it, it's such a multifaceted job that I have to be as a coach, but it's all rooted around some of the same issues. And the the message I found myself repeating the most is that focus requires subtraction. Nothing great has been built by maybe maybe you're an exception with the ADHD, but nothing has been. No, I need to take that, I need to take that advice to my heart, baby. Addition is often not the way to growth. Right, right. And I always say multitasking is fragmentation of attention. That's not mine. I I pulled that from a gentleman named Drake Davis. His is at his uh Sip Drake. He's big on mental performance. I'd love his stuff. And I think anybody who's trying to learn how to focus, I think you should go follow him. Um, but anyway, when you're fragmenting your attention, which is what you were describing, was like you're just frying yourself, just like screens everywhere, like constant information, you're inputting way more than you're creating. And you're thinking, you're spending more of your time thinking other people's thoughts and you're thinking of your own. And that's why you create, you get this weird burnout phase in a lot of guys in Gen Z that are they don't really know themselves. And that's why so many guys, I think, default to making their identity a number, their their worth comes productivity, and that is such a huge problem. And then you compound, you you add on to Top of that, the vehicles at play with this economy and with with this with the assets and with wages and inflation, and your your worth is tied to a number because you don't know yourself because you're too busy consuming and you don't know how to sit with yourself. I think Naval Rava Kant said the majority of society's problems comes from men's inability to sit in a quiet room for 60 seconds or 60 minutes doing nothing. Right. And so I think more guys need like I call it life admin. It's very similar to this this week-long all fast. I love that, right? Like yeah, put away the little just all the little things. The little things that you're like, it's not an addiction. I'm not like it could be a pre-roll before the gym. Like I partake, like I get it. Like, or it could be that one or two beers every now and then. Like, literally, just cut it all and cut the TV, cut the input, cut it all. Because you're right. Like, I feel very compassionate for two groups, Boomers and Gen Z. I could I feel for the lack of neuroplasticity and the lack of ability to emotionally connect with reality in a world where you are so far built on so many lies, they've all stacked on each other and cemented themselves in place. It's I'm so sad for you. You live you live a life that is filled with getting mad at people at corner stores, at acmes, and driving 40 miles an hour in 55 lanes, I mean, till the day you die. That's just gonna be how you operate. And you're gonna believe what you believe because some president said it, and I feel for you. But as the clarity has been stolen from the boomers, the creativity, as you just put so well, has been stolen from Gen Z and Gen Alpha and everyone coming after being raised on screens because it leaves no room for our brain to create. We don't make up games anymore. We're not outside just for the sake of it on a Saturday with my brother. Like, what are we gonna do? You know, like we're we're not growing those social bonds the same way that we used to. We're not connecting with each other within our own school halls the way that you and I got to. Like, again, going back to the when I got to grow up, I count myself very fortunate that you know, my high school class wasn't figuring out who each other were on Facebook, or that when that came along junior, senior year, it was really innocent. There wasn't any algorithms or echo chambers, and it was literally just checking in to see what your friend was doing. Whereas when I grew up, I felt like the economy at all times was coming from my wallet, and like that's what a lot of people experienced growing up, especially as we got into this hyper macro corporate favoring uh money printing economy where the rich were getting richer and just trying to commoditize everything. Now they're coming after everybody's time, and they want your eyes and they want your ears and they want your brain and they want they want the money too. They want your attention, and it sucks to to have to swim through learning about life while simultaneously from a very early age, the moment you get that screen in front of you, and now it's like three, four, and five-year-olds, you know, that they're beginning to create that that type of person, that marketed to consumer that they need for their system. And it sounds all conspiratorial, but I do truly feel bad for those that don't know how to go analog anymore. And even I struggle with it because I'm I'm a young person surrounded by tech all the time. But seriously, a one week where you spend time in nature, you go out on a walk, you paint a picture, you journal, you meditate, doing something your brain's not used to to get back in connection with who you are is going to like evolve into all the other aspects of life you want to improve. If that makes sense. 100%. And that's and that's a big thing of the guys I talk to around weight loss. It's like, dude, once you figure out the discipline and you show that it's it's not these big Herculean efforts, but it's just how you decide to overcome yourself little by little. It's how we think about food. Right. I mean, you have I'm not gonna put apples to apples with your weight loss journey. Much much smaller, but you know, I was up to like 225 and chubby. Real estate industry had me moving all the time, especially when I was knee deep in sales. So my diet was off. I wasn't getting to the gym, I was still in shape, but I wasn't showing it. And I lost a good 40 pounds. And nice, man. The decisions, yeah, thank you. But the decisions came easy when I was able to break the habit. And the habit had much more to do with an emotional impulse toward something trying I was trying to protect in the moment with food, or or or or or in that moment of sleeping in and not going to the gym, or whatever, whatever I was figuring out a way to weasel my way out of going to the gym, which I can explain my funny little stupid micro hacks to eventually get myself back into that habit. But it did start with like uncoiling the emotional reasons why I wanted to eat and like I wanted to taste something good. Like, you don't need that, it's fuel and it's science and it's math with like a caloric deficit. And when you can get the emotion out of it, you can just break it back down to numbers and math. It it gives it's a form of control that does bleed into every other part of your life because you're like, if I can do this, I can move yes, yes, absolutely. Yeah, and it's from working with with bigger guys for so long, I've realized that like I think we were saying this at the very beginning, it's a relationship with stress, and food is simply the byproduct and the chosen vice. I was the big kid, and I'm I'm I'm 24, about to turn 25. So we got a few years as a gap, but nothing too crazy. I'm sure you knew a couple kids where you grew up in, did you grow up in Delaware? Mm-hmm. Okay, so you it gets cold up there. You guys get snow. I'm from Michigan, and so like you know the type of kid where he's wearing a hoodie and shorts in the wintertime. He said, I'm not cold, right? You know, the the bigger guy that's just like, I'm not cold. I'm I'm you know, just the big guy in the corner. And a lot of those guys, they're using food as comfort, but insert and replace food with weed, alcohol, porn, gambling. Oh my god, don't get me started on the gambling, right? These are all vices meant to distract you. Because if you don't know how to regulate your nervous system, if you do not know how to decompress and de-stress in a healthy way without this, without your phone, then you are going to consistently, and I think that's the biggest trap that most people are falling into. I think that's what the intention economy wants. They want most people burnt out, they want most people just so just stressed and being strung along that they're constantly just finding those little baby hits of instant gratification dopamine through one of the vices I mentioned earlier. And the way to separate from that is detoxify everything, remove those distractions ruthlessly. There's a there's a banger of a quote that I've been sharing with my clients this week, and it says, you have to re-center about, you have to remember where you're going. What's my why for getting up in the morning, right? Like, do you have a family you're trying to provide for? Are you trying to feel more comfortable in your own skin? Do you want to be a leader for the younger people in your family? Whatever your why is, realign with it often and use it as an intentional way to re-center yourself to the present moment. Because if you're not doing that and you're not deciding where your focus is going, where you are pointed, the world's gonna decide for you. And we have seen through the evidence, the world deciding for you leads to you being miserable, broke, and burnt out, and probably overweight and addicted to something else. Preach on, preach on. So I'm I just I'm glad we hit that point. That's a good one. Uh, I wanted to, I wanted to pivot just a little bit. Please, a little bit more into the those those people that are hustling, the people that are being responsible, that are saving, living below their means, making some extra income, finding ways to acquire skills and investing into themselves. Right. I have a lot of people that that are are I'm in this category too. Like I said, I'm I've been SP 500 and chill for a long time. Right. The old unshakable Tony Robbins method. Yes, sir. Uh buying the uh buying the first home. I hear a lot of people saying it's more of a liability than it is an asset now. Obviously, everything is a little subjective on you know location, price, et cetera. But what is your take on that for people in 2026 and beyond and where you think the next five years for people in their mid-20s, you know, 30s and beyond, like looking to buy that first home? Has how much has it changed and and what advice would you give them? Because I'm I'm looking to probably buy within the next year or two. That's a great question, man. And one that I wish more realtors would take into uh greater consideration given the the shift we felt in our economy. Sorry, I was as I was listening to your question, I took a drink of my electrolyte, and you ever get like a chunk of salt that's just waiting for you at the bottom. Tasty. I just finished a marathon, so I've been cranking electrolytes up. Oh, yeah. Good lord, yeah. Good for you, dude. That's awesome. Thank you, brother. Thank you. That's awesome. I want to do uh there's a Spartan Beast, which is like a half marathon obstacle race coming over the sun. I think I'm gonna go do it. I haven't done one in like three years, and I feel like that's something I'm gonna lose as you know, good accountability method to keep you sharp. Yeah, yeah, exactly. Just something to train for, something to push for. I love that. Um housing. Okay. So it's really what we're treating the home as, I think at this point. We need we need to have a deeper conversation around what is the home being used as. Because for the standard guy who let's just be honest, if you're under 30, the majority unmarried with no plans to marry. It's a sad stat, but it's a true one. Uh, no kid, sad stat, but true one, under 30. About a 12% chance that you're gonna own a home and be married. So if you do, count your blessings. Under 30, married with a home. Incredible. Now, let me speak to the majority. Unmarried man, I'd again ask, why do you want the home? And maybe this is a good question for you, though. Are you married? Are you engaged? You single? I'm engaged. Awesome. Okay. So your why for a home is gonna be different than somebody who's not in that position, right? 100%. Right. Because you're probably thinking about her, you know, not to step on boundaries, but you're probably thinking about a family, you're probably thinking about the area and how that family is gonna be coming up in it. You got a lot more, a lot more questions asked, awesome questions, but more questions. Less to ask those questions, yes, yes. So as a single man, I would say, is there no possible way that you can rock with your family? I I know it sounds nuts, but is there no potential way you could crank out two more years of not having to go rent something or not having to go buy something? I love that. It's very counterintuitive. I I'm a salesman, but listen. Oh, I love it, dude. Listen, it is so it's such a what's the word? Like it's like a scapegoat mentality of like you gotta kick the kid out of the house at a certain age that we think about externally, but then when like we're in the moment, I know I never felt pressure for my parents to leave. They were like, Oh, we're gonna miss you so much. Like they're like, Do you have to go? Like, um, maybe a little bit. They, I'm sure they enjoy their time at this point. But um if you can crank out a couple more years, I if you're not married, you're not engaged, you don't have kids, I would argue it is a liability. Because think of not just the $1,500 in rent or $2K in mortgage, the things you're not gonna have to replace, the power bill you're not paying, the extra groceries you're not paying, the fridge you're keeping full, the regular maintenance that comes up, who's taking out your trash, like all new Wi-Fi bills, new Netflix subscriptions, like all of these things tackle onto each other. Uh the you're significantly holding yourself back in a world where I don't believe the housing market's gonna crash. I believe it could be stagnant, it could be frozen, it could come down in bits and pieces in certain areas. But when we talk about crash, that means nationwide 20% plus. I don't foresee that happening. And even if it did, people would still cry for more because they want the 400k home to be 200k again. Fair, but that would be seismic. We can pray for it together, but oftentimes that comes on the back of a labor force crash. So whole different subject. Um I would argue why. Once again, why do you want it? Now, if you're in the boat of young family, I want to grow toward having a family. I might even want like a homestead, I might want myself some land. I love it. And it's an incredible thing to work toward because it's not just about money, then, right? We're we're talking about we're really taking pride over an area, we're creating memories, we're we're creating a safe space where we can all you know grow up and connect. Beautiful, love it. Uh, you want to entertain with friends, the whole deal, love it. Then uh, man, you just gotta be responsible affordability-wise. If you're in New York, my best advice for you is gonna be leaving New York. Like if you're in Miami, if if you're in Cape Cod, if you're in California, if you're in Vegas, which is kind of still reasonably affordable. Um, like if you're in any of these days, like Denver, my first advice is gonna be have you considered leaving? Because there's so much digital opportunity. I'm sure you talk with plenty of people as you're one yourself, like where your job or your labor or the way you make money isn't necessarily tied to where you live. You have a lot of opportunity to play the game, then to where if I'm living in a state where it's the 12th most unaffordable state in the country, but I make 100k, well, how far will that go if I move to the 41st most affordable state in the country? Hell, could I even go as far as to say, especially young single men out there, have you considered other countries? Have you have you even thought America's too beautiful? I could never leave. Like, I hear Guatemala is great at this time of year. Oh my god, it's so good! Great job. I'll shut up with my poor one now. That's no, no, no, no, no, no. That's grand. I didn't mean to interrupt. No, that's perfect. Always. Um honestly. Uh I just got to connect, uh, love him, hate him. Don't know him, Ryan Mata in Kentucky. He lives in El Salvador now. And I was like, why'd you pick El Salvador? Why are you and he was listening off all these different things and went oh that's really interesting. And I have a buddy of mine that moved to Italy. Guy works with me, his parents moved to France. I'm not anti-American, but we're born on this planet that's separated by a bunch of imaginary lines that you're told not to travel to or potentially live in because it'd be un-American. You're an earthling. Like we're all we're all here. I'm sorry if that sounds like a hippie viewpoint, but you don't have to. And and if you're in a position where you have that ability, especially if you're making bread and you're doing it on your phone, like keep on the grind. I love it. But also don't forget the grind culture is a trap. You can't remain in it forever. Look at Hermosy, like the grind master. We're watching him open up right now. We're what we're we're watching his his burnout happen and his turn back to family and growing that and understanding what's real around him. Yeah, they just announced the pregnancy. Right, and that's I couldn't believe it. I thought it was fake. That's so incredible, right? Yeah. Um, so this this this life, whether you're being in a whether you're in a successful standpoint or a lesser one, really would shape my compass for you as to whether or not a house should be in the forefront, I guess. Um, to summarize that that long-winded answer. But yeah, yeah, it would really depend on why you want it. Now, there's also the investment aspect too, which I yeah, I would say go for, especially if you're in the the multi-fam realm. I'm not a big single family rental guy. Okay, yeah, that's that's kind of something that I've been looking for, you know, because I just did it for the ease of use. I just wanted to pour all that extra money and and time and energy into my business. Like for my fiance to finish school, I was like, I don't want to have to manage a rental or deal with a water heater or an AC unit breaking. Like, let me just it's a lot, you know, SP and chill. It's a big responsibility. It is, it is, but I think that is something that a lot of people. Too many people just view it as an investment and not a responsibility. Right, right. But I think that's something that I haven't heard enough people talk about is like, why do you want a house? Who are you? Who's living in this house? Are you a phone? Are you married? Are you? Because then you get into like who perpetuated this dream, this this American dream of taking on a $200,000 worth of financing by the time you're 22 is successful, like your your college degree in your home, okay, you're indebted to staying here. Yeah, congratulations. You're chained to a bank for the next. Francis out of the question now. You gotta pay your bills. Right. So uh again, you can get as tinfoily as you want with it, but uh I I do think it can be a liability. I think there's definitely room for the argument because then you're also paying taxes, insurance, and all those other bills. Yeah, and if you do FHA loan, you're you're you're you're paying a lot more in the PMI and in you know your interest the first year, no matter what, is gonna be most of that money's not going to principal. No, even the even the VA loan. I mean, if you're if you're utilizing true 100% financing, uh you are in a precarious position for a good five years in normal markets. You better hope nothing happens, and then you really, really hope nothing happens for the next 10, because like you said, the whole like front third of that mortgage is interest. For sure, for sure, for sure. I uh I guess the last kind of general umbrella topic I wanted to steer towards is you know, looking forward as somebody in our position. I mean, you've you've got uh uh quite the audience, and you you're making a lot of moves and like kind of diving more into the political scene and everything, but unfortunately, again, tying back to the average American man, Gen Z millennial, you know, single or engaged, married, taken, whatever. Um, for those that want to become less reliant on the system, for those that want to be more self-sustaining, I am I am here for the homestead, bro. I want a compound with all the homies, like your thing I'm running the numbers on, dude. Like, that's what I want. I want the I want the homie communities to pop, bro. Make it this thing. Yes, the big fella fortress is what we're calling ours. So that's what we're doing. That's what we're doing. But regardless, like for the all the guys that want that, all the all the men and women that are are looking to become less reliant on the system, right? Become like, okay, I can grow my own food and and I have a community that I'm a part of. What would you say is what was your first step into kind of stepping? I know that's kind of a broad question, but in in finding that community and that just overall non-reliance on the system. And by the system, I mean just, you know, the just sucking into the distractions, but being more self-reliant, basically. What did you do and what would you recommend to somebody that has nowhere to start? Like they'd love it, but they have no freaking clue what to do. Yeah, thanks for defining that too, for anyone who's listening who thinks we're just talking about a farm. Um, for anybody who's listening to just be blanket. I I can tell, I can you you said that was a broad question, but I thought to a very specific moment, February in 2023. I I made a decision in my life where I personally gave my life to God, but not in the corny, like white nationalist way that unfortunately we're taught. Like, you pray these certain words to this God and he'll spare you from eternal wrath. Like, really? That's it? That's that's it. I'm just living and doing life like this so that I don't burn. Like, that's crazy. Um, but what I got deeper into through actual reading and studying and listening and and taking in people who've spent, you know, thousands of years decrypting what was the life of Jesus Christ, which was a historical proof. I just got so enamored in all of the complexities of our reality that I was so convinced that I just needed to stop and surrender. I needed to just be a part of this nature, this thing, this energy. I I'm tired of hearing the 19 other ways that we could define it. I just know it's there. I'm tired of trying to learn about it. I'm tired of trying to be master over it. I I'm just gonna surrender to it. And that meant silence. That meant journaling, that meant waking up early when my brain didn't want to. And in fact, got to a point within about a week that when I found myself not wanting to do it, I was like, good, do it. Like it got me excited again. And and then before I knew it, I was building a life where I didn't need a lot of the things that were holding me back. Um, gentlemen, pornography, lust, you know, literally ripping you apart at the seams chemically, your motivation, your test all being ripped apart, your emotional connections, how you even view the world, ripped apart. Distorted. You don't think that affects your gym routine? You don't think that affects your friendships and how well you can connect, how well you can lay out your emotions clearly, how well you can vent to a a real bro about real stuff that isn't just sports. Like I love sports, not nothing again, sports, right? Um but the the ability to connect back with yourself and not be dependent on the entertainment or the drama or or the caffeine or the nicotine or insert blank here, you take a dominion over your life that they can then breed into all these other things. Like, of course, I could tell you about like hydroponic gardening, and we could go into the the three sisters method for for planting your crops. Like, yeah, there's definitely lots of like technical cool things. Different episode. Yeah, I got three rain barrels set up off the gutters. Like, talk to me. Oh, 100%. I love it. Yeah, I love that stuff. I love it. I love it. But it starts mindset-wise. You are the reality you experience. And as somebody who delves into the alternative realities of whatever the fuck these Zionist billionaires are doing often, I have to protect my inside way more. I have to. If I crack, I feel it. And I'll feel it for weeks because I'm holding it emotionally, because I'm trying to be as real as a human as I can be. And then you start spending two weeks deep diving the Epstein library in February, and you're like, what the fuck is this world? You gotta come back to what really matters and your lived experience and what you allow into it. So corny, mystical answer, maybe. Dude, if that's corny and mystical, then call me the freaking unicorn, dude. Because I loved it. I love that because I think you nailed it right on the freaking head. The surrender, the the surrender was perfect. Like that's that's what I think giving your life to God is because I completely agree. Like in the non-corniest way possible, just think of what that phrase means, okay? And Christ did say that. And Christ didn't come to start a religion. I know this isn't a religion podcast, but he did not come to start a religion. He came to teach a way of life. So whether or not you believe to be a Christian or anything, that's I don't care. Just read it. Just read what the eyewitness accounts of his teachings were. And if they were false, whoever wrote them was a baller. I don't even care. Like it's really good and it's really historically sound, it's really uh morally sound. And if this stupid white Christian nationalist religion that we've been preached about to today to run this country did what that book said, world would look a lot different. 100%. That's all I'm saying. So that that is all I'm saying. And I believe to give your life to God is to just let go. Like let it go. Because everything's God. Everything that exists is God. 100% agree. So I'm just giving go ahead. Everything's gonna operate whether I'm here or whether I die in two seconds. If I die before the end of this podcast, Earth's gonna keep rotating. Like airplanes are still gonna take off. You know how complex airports are? I got nothing to do with it, right? A bridge is not gonna collapse because my heart fails. Everything is gonna go on. You have to come to grips with that for a little bit. Like everything will indeed go on. So what really matters? 100%. 100%. And the the letting go and the surrender. I'm a big Carl Jung guy. I'm not sure if if you're not familiar taken. Carl Young. Yeah, J-U-N-G. Oh, okay. Okay, okay. Yeah, older uh psychologist philosopher. Yeah, I've seen him like under some quotes. I think you're gonna just from what you've told me in these last two minutes, you would agree with a lot of what he says. Um assuming, anyway. Um, but something I got from him is like that feeling of security and feeling okay that we all want. Everyone just wants to feel safe. Everyone just wants to feel good. Like they have enough money, they would whatever, whatever. You just want to feel safe. You want to feel secure. That will never come from control. It comes from trust and surrender. You will never come, that will never come from controlling more because then that's a numbers game. And then your worth is tied to productivity and numbers, and there's always going to be somebody doing more, and always somebody doing better. So you're never gonna be able to do that. I wonder why the people at the top of our ecosystem want us compete so are so greedy. So because they're suffering from the same things we suffer from at a micro level, dog. You nailed that. Peace will never come from a number, and that that tapping into surrender. The last thing I wanted to mention on that point was I have a lot of gentlemen. I brought I've like a I have two main accounts on TikTok, technically three, but I have my weight loss account, and then I've got this side account that I call Building the Big Fella, and it blew up out of nowhere last year and gained like 34,000 followers like overnight. And I'm just sharing random, like just like just random, like not even weight loss stuff. Just doing just like just sharing wisdom. Like I would just post four random quotes of wisdom that I like completely underrelated. People loved it, and I got so many DMs from that that phase. It was about this time last year when it happened, but I got and that my audience now, I have so many people coming and asking me, it's like, how do I find my thing? How do I find like this this piece that you have that it seems like you have? I said, first of all, that that peace requires work, brother man. That's not just like, I'm not just like you know, sitting here sunning my balls and just like magically becoming you know tapped into the world. But like that all sudden nothing. Well, you tell me. I have a buddy that swears my dog I'm not doing. I've never met somebody who unironically actually does it. Um it's why I baby cry because I'm just thinking about my boy. But on on like an actual serious note, I was trying, I was having a hard time putting it into words. And when you said talking to God slash universe slash source, whatever you believe in, it like I agree with you. I agree. We are all God, I agree. It's all the same thing that we're looking at, right? So many young men are so driven by this grind culture that they they miss the point. They're like, how do I find it? It's like you find it by leaning back, right? Leaning forward. This is a this is a surrender, let it come to you situation, not a work and dig it up from the mud situation. This is not an active thing, it is a receiving action where you have to let go, surrender, and let it come to you, and then you ride with the flow, and then that will guide you in a lot of different ways. Because, like, like you said, it's like you'll realize all this monotonous things don't matter as much. They just don't. And and when that's your guide, because a lot of people will hear that and it sounds passive, it sounds sounds weak, it's sounds like not something that we've been sold, but but it's like when you're looking, we're looking for something in life. It's put a lot of different ways, but we're looking for something in life, and and it's like life isn't what you're experiencing. We're experiencing like a monopoly board. It's just a capitalist board game, is all we're experiencing. So you're on the board looking for something that does not exist on the board, the board exists on it. Uh and and that's like as simple as a way as it like kind of just boom, like it just hit me in the head one day, February 2023. And I won't promise you it'll come in some weird 40-minute meditative cry session with with what you believe is to be the universe. I don't think that's gonna happen to you, is what happened to me, and it shifted my mindset. But um like at a just a a really just foundational level. Again, it doesn't matter if you believe it's Jesus or if you believe in his whatever, it could be energy, it could be the universe. It's there, it's always been there. You're a blip on its radar, and you're trying to take on ego as if you know anything. And that that that was for me. I was like, yo, I don't know anything, and especially leaning into like the history of our country, the history of its founders, what was going on before that, who financed this ship voyage, like you just keep going and going and going and going, and you're like the more I learn, the less I know. Every question I get, and so I there was a quote that I had heard, which I think mirrors yours very well, if you don't mind. I I would love the uh drop it, brother. Yeah, yeah, just a space to say it. It was that the moment I stopped pursuing happiness is when I found peace. That's kind of how I felt. I was always searching for the moment of good bliss, of happy, of chemical reaction, but you drop that for just even a week and you realize, oh, there it is. And that's all I can really, that's all I can really tie, is like, oh you're that no, that's that's it's it's a receipt. I wrote something in my journal a couple days ago, and I was like, those moments of those aha, those inspiration moments, you know, some people call them like higher forms of consciousness or whatever. If you like really are hit flow state, you're just like like for you, it's the 28 tabs, you know, you just go and just hit flow state. But for for those moments, it's it's received spontaneously, and it sounds so hippie, and I'm just gonna ride with it because I don't care. But instead of chasing happiness or your thing with with a hammer, like hormosey style, just volume, volume, volume. There's a time and a place for volume, and it will get you far in the professional realm and in other paths, like the gym and physical, like there's room for that, but it can't be everything. And I think a big problem that guys have is, and the reason they're so attached to their monetary worth or the number that they lift on the bench press or their scale weight is because, again, it's easy to attach to tangible numbers. But when you remove that veil of competition and realize everyone around you is the same as you and is meant to collaborate instead of compete with you, you can step back and let yourself relax a little bit. And it's creating that space mentally, like whether it's 10 minutes in the morning, sipping your coffee, no screens, or it's journaling at night, but creating space just to be with yourself, that's what we don't have. And I think it once you can start to create that space, you're not gonna have some, like you said, that revelation February 2023 moment as soon as you start. But you're not gonna ever find it unless you start making space to be completely quiet in your own thoughts and in your own head. Because then you'll figure out what you actually think of the world instead of thinking what other people are telling you to think. Or just how little you know, you know that's how yeah, how how how little I actually held a world belief or or an anything belief. It was just all stuff that had been fed to me my whole life, my family, my friends, my community, my sports teams, my this the sleepovers, the the bus trips, the everything, all of that culminated into what I was, and it was like, whoa, like what I'm what um what do I believe? What do I think? Um, and I I found myself having to look at a really like fragile ego. And I think that's a lot of growth, dude. And you've probably seen this too, like, no better growth comes from finding something weak about yourself and like but sticking around and staring at it. Like we we so quickly want to divert, and that's often where those like vices come through is like, nah, let me do this instead. That's exactly where they come in. Like that's exactly where they come in, right? So, like, that's the weak point. And when you develop that skill set, and maybe this is a good bridge to the whole conversation we've had, is like once you build that ability to stare and stay there, intention, it becomes easier to do it everywhere else, and you start picking off bigger ones and bigger ones, and then oftentimes even better, smaller ones, ones you didn't even realize you were doing for that reason. Like, I found out a lot of the good things in my own life, the revenue I had generated, the businesses I had grown, the influence I had grown. Why did I like it? Like before any of this, before 2023, any of that, I already had like 2.1 million followers across platforms. I'd understood this, I'd done it. What what was I doing it for was down the question. And that's why I took like a you you said even yourself you didn't discover me until like 2024. That I took a big break. I took a really long break. I was like, yo, what am what is any of this for? And why am I not seeping deeper and deeper and deeper into the relationships of the people around me? Uh, because I believe personally, whether by uh revolution or or resolution, there will be changes in our ecosystem, and we're gonna be called on in one way, shape, or form by the people that matter to us most. And if you're not prepared in that moment, physically, mentally, spiritually, and even financially, you may not be able to help. So I believe in the method of if you want to fight for the people to your left and your right, whether today or one day, you gotta put on your mask first. You gotta put your yourself in the driver's seat and take control and take ownership and do it and and take on the hard days and the hard moments and the things you don't enjoy, so that one day you can reap the rewards of being able to lead others that would have otherwise fallen without you. And I think that's ultimately as any man would want their life to be uh lived by. I at least do. That's why I want to do it. I want to be virtuous, I want to be well skilled, I want to be knowledgeable now and and in things that matter inwardly, and then when it's external, it's for the right connectors, it's for the right people, the right things, the right future events. Um, just trying to be an investor in my life, not a consumer, is what I think is what it solves solutions down to, kind of thing. You said virtuous. This tattoo down here says what would the virtuous man do? Hell yeah, dog. That's dope. Uh uh, I got that like last year. Um big, big stoicism guy, big Lord of the Rings, Aragorn guy. So just sort of like I'm a big stoic guy too. I've never watched Lord of the Rings. Do I need to watch Lord of the Rings? Oh my god. Exactly. I had no idea it was a stoicism movie. What? It's not a stoicism movie, but if you like everything you stand for, positive masculinity, strength, working on your faults, and overcoming your hardest moments and the power of brotherhood. Watch Lord of the What a good sales pitch. I like all of those things. Brother, I promise you you will not regret it. Regret it. They are my favorite movies of all time. Every one of my people that are watching this are knowing, oh my god, noah's talking about Lord of the Rings. I'm not gonna, I'm not gonna harp on that. I hit a big vein. I love it. Oh, you did it, brother. I found diamonds in the first day, baby. Yeah, this is a quote from Lord of the Third, the third movie right here. Oh yeah, dude, it's it's it says, I can't carry it for you, but I can carry you. And I'm not gonna spoil what happens, but he's carrying a human being on his shoulders up a volcano as it's erupting. That's all I'm gonna say. That's and it's pretty cool. But regardless, like that was a better settings pitch than any trailer I've ever seen. And you're not the first person who's looked at me sideways for having not seen The Lord of the Rings. You I've never heard that ambassador. You are a phenomenal ambassador just by the way you live your life right now without even watching it. I'm telling you. I'm telling you, you are uh you are you live. I I would have I'm surprised. That's all I'm gonna say. I'm surprised that you haven't. But the last thing I want to, I'm gonna close my statement on what you said there, and then I'm gonna ask you one final question because I want to be respectful of your time. Um the uh when you said facing kind of your shadow self to help the people around you or facing your dark moments, the things you don't like. When I I ran this literally last weekend, the marathon. I literally ran it like a few days ago. And the reason I decided to start getting into running, and it's been a longer journey, but I grew up as the chubby kid that took four years of Spanish to get out of going to PE. Like I was terrified of going to the gym. Like I liked lifting, but I was horrified of running. I got I didn't like playing football when I was younger. Like I didn't run. And so when I started losing the weight and I decided to run every single day as my routine, it was a way to completely attack the one of my biggest boogeymen. It's like I am not going to, no pun intended, run away from this. I'm going to run into it. And I'm going to force myself to get better. And so I think this, like, you know, the marathon is something I can be proud of because it I knew it was one of the darkest. I mean, it's not that deep, but it's also like it was a representation. Wait, one second, one second. Your words are powerful. Don't don't speak that story on yourself, brother. It is powerful. Thank you. Thank you for the reality check. I appreciate it. Thank you. I need to catch myself every once in a while. I do that. What you just did for me, I do for clients constantly. Um, so thank you. But the point is the amount of power that I've been able to pull from that, like just real power, not power, power, you know, is quite literally life-changing. Because then I know that I can I can battle any boogeyman, I can battle any demon, you know, and it helped me battle other demons when you can just face it and let it be uncomfortable and then run at it with courage. It's like it's gonna suck, it's gonna be uncomfortable, it's gonna be hard. What's all you were all the things you were saying? So I just wanted to to to retweet that basically. Uh my last, my last little piece that's something I do with every guest I have on the podcast. You've already shared a ton of wisdom. What is one nugget of wisdom, motivation, inspiration that you would like to share to anybody watching this from your audience or mine, uh, to make their day a little bit better or to make them think. Your net worth is not your personal worth, is is probably where I would say my brain's been at. Um I've been talking about a little bit recently in my own show and my own content. Uh, your your net worth, whether high, low, indifferent, unknown, negative, exceedingly positive, it it doesn't create any actual personal worth. Uh again, you're just good at a game. You're good at money, and congrats on you. But there's not a single verse I found in any historic text or really any stoic text. You find anybody who's really seeking spiritual value, not a lot of them talk about material goods. Not a lot talk about money. And when they talk about treasures and blessings, oftentimes we white label that and say that must be money. But what about like emotional intelligence and and connections that they had and and the people they were able to be around with and how much they actually felt when they were walking through life. And, you know, they were able to take control and discipline over themselves. I would say that that's a lot more treasurous than uh than any material good I can gain. So if that is to be true, then my personal worth and my net worth are completely detached from one another and shouldn't be uh you know, should be equally tracked. I I think that tracking your net worth, just like tracking any number, is a formula for growth. And if you want it to grow, great. Uh, but to boil it down for why you're here living and breathing on earth, I think is cemented not only ourselves but our countries into a lot of problems for millennia before us, uh, and we're seeing it unfold today. So that's uh that's what I would leave you with. Um, but I'm just a guy that looks at economies. I'm just a real estate agent who's who's looking at what's going on today through the veil of money and the very, very simple fact that more of it is usually an easy path to follow toward the answers to a lot of my questions is who's getting more of it. 100%. 100%. Well, dude, uh, this has been a blast. This has been a super fun. Yeah, it's been awesome, dude. Thanks for doing this. Thank you for uh for being on. And um, everybody who's watching who's not been introduced to Zach, uh, I'll have all of his uh links in the description. So please go check him out. He's he's an honest dude, wanting honest people to just be more comfortable, and and he won't he he's rooting for you guys. And you know, you don't have to agree with every single thing that he says. I I it seems like his intentions are quite honest, and I've I've liked what he said. I encourage it. I encourage it, by the way. So I love disagreement. That's great. Yeah, and that that's a huge that's a sign right there that you should, you know, somebody who invites disagreement into it. Yeah, shoot your shot, man. I'm not Charlie Kirk, but I can debate. Absolutely. Well, we can debate without hate. That's the big key. We can learn. There we go. There we go. Well, uh, yeah, thank you guys all so much for watching. If you have any questions or any other follow up comments, drop them in the comments below. There's a whole bunch of other free goodies in the description. Stay handsome, stay humble, and keep it simple, big fella.