Glow, Grit, and Couture

A single facial can change everything. That’s where Cintia's story begins—standing in a treatment room, finally feeling heard, and realizing skin care could be science, comfort, and confidence all at once. Two decades later, she’s a beloved esthetician guiding patients through real protocols, smarter technology, and the kind of consistency that brings lasting results.

We dig into the details that matter: how paramedical esthetics training and laser experience shaped her approach, what she learned moving between plastic surgery centers and spa settings, and why clear education turns confusion into calm. Cintia's breaks down evolving tools—from microneedling with exosomes to fractional lasers for melasma—and explains how ingredients like vitamin C, glycolic acid, and salicylic acid fit into an everyday routine that actually works. We also talk honestly about cost and access, and how our membership model helps people stay on track without sacrificing quality or outcomes.

There’s a human thread running through it all: trust. New clients arrive overwhelmed by options; pros can feel pressure to sell instead of guide. Cintia shows a different path—protocols with purpose, realistic timelines, and the reminder that sunscreen and aftercare are non-negotiable. We also celebrate a growing shift: more men in the treatment room, more loyalty across ages, and more openness about wanting to look and feel your best. If you’re curious about laser treatments, microneedling, exosomes, or simply how to build a smarter skin plan, this conversation gives you both the why and the how.

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Transcript

Meet Cynthia and the mission

SPEAKER_01 0:15

Hello and welcome to another episode of Couture Conversations, the podcast that dives into all things beauty, confidence, and the journey of enhancing your natural glow. I'm your host, Lindsay, the lead esthetician here at Couture Med Spa. Today I'm so excited to be joined by one of our amazing estheticians, Cynthia. Cynthia has been an aesthetician for 20 years and has been with Couture for seven of those years. And we are going to talk about her journey into aesthetics, how she's seen the industry evolve, and what makes Couture so special, what she loves most about her role here. So let's get into it. Cynthia, thanks for joining me today.

SPEAKER_00 0:50

It's so good to be here. Are you excited? I'm so excited. And I was telling you I was a little nervous, but I'm good. I get to see all my beautiful faces here now, too. So I'm like, yes, yes.

SPEAKER_01 1:01

Just get to get to have a good chat. Yes. I love when I get to see you because it doesn't happen very often. Never get to see each other. Got to make it more times, right?

unknown 1:09

I know.

First facial that changed everything

SPEAKER_01 1:10

So, Cynthia, you have been with Kator for seven years now, which is amazing. Um, can you start by sharing your journey? What first drew you into the world of aesthetics?

Training, lasers, and early roles

SPEAKER_00 1:20

Oh my gosh. I was, I felt like I was a baby. Um, I was 21 years old. Uh, I had my daughter, and I think before that, I just always suffered from acne. I could never get it under control. Um, even through my high school years, I try to cover it up as much as I could, but really didn't know what I was doing. Um, I was 21, had my daughter when I was 21. And I think within the next year, that was 2003. Um, the next year, 2004, I was like, you know what? I'm gonna go get a facial. I've never had a facial before. Like, this is ridiculous. So I went to a place close by my house. Um, I walked in, it was such a beautiful place. It had like this gorgeous ambiance, and this beautiful osthetician comes. She had this fabulous skin. And we started talking. Uh, she started asking a lot of questions, you know, what my concerns were, um, what I wanted to get out of the facial. And um, we went into it. So the minute she touched my face, I fell in love. I was just like, what is this magical sorcery? And um, we did the facial. It felt so good. My skin felt so good. I had never put on products like that before. I never really cared about ingredients. And um, after that, I felt like a million bucks. Yeah, my acne was still there, um, but I did see improvement. Even within like six, seven days, I was I was astonished, you know. You know how an aestheticians do. They're gonna use the products and then they're gonna educate you and then try to get you to get some of these things. So, like, hey, listen, this is about consistency. Um, so I was consistent with that and I felt like my skin was getting a lot better. And then I was just kind of lost. I didn't know what I wanted to do with with myself. You know, here I am, 22 now. Um, and I was like, you know what? I think I'm gonna go and look into where I can just get an esthetician license. So I went to this place, it's in Maitland. Um, it was called uh Florida College of Natural Health. So I walked in, I did a tour, and I completely fell in love. And they were like, you don't need to just get your basic license. Let's do your paramedical esthetician license. And I was like, okay, yeah, I'm so down for it. Um, so that took that took a little while. Um, I think it was like about a good year and a half. And then from there, I was like, you know what? I would love to do lasers. Like, what a great combination to be an aesthetician and do some lasers, you know, kind of two in one. So I went and got my electrology license. And then from there, you have to do your courses and your CEUs for your laser. And so once I was done from there, as soon as I finished, um, I called this place and they were like, oh, you have your paramedical aesthetician license and you're a laser tech. They hired me right away. And that kind of was my journey. I it's kind of intimidating at first. It really is. It's like, oh my God, someone's gonna actually listen to what I have to say. Like, does she even know like I'm new at this still? You know, she's I'm like, I'm trying to play it off. Um, and that just kind of evolved from there. I never looked back, I never did anything else but that. And um, it got me to where I am here today. So I'm so happy for that. Well, I'm glad it led you here. Yes, yes, I'm excited.

SPEAKER_01 4:36

What type of uh space were you in when you first started? Was it like a was it a med spa? Was it a derm? Was it uh day spa?

Plastic surgery roots and growth

SPEAKER_00 4:43

What was um it was a plastic surgery center. Yes, um, it was called Alace Medical Spa and Cosmetic Surgery. Um, and it happened to be our surgeon was Dr. G. And that was crazy because I had known him for years. Um, so I started there and it just trickled. I just did facials, I did lasers, you know, we would see patients after they got done during certain cosmetic surgery treatments. And it was like it was amazing. And I was there for about a good seven years, too. And then things happened, you know, people own businesses. Um, then they want to build a family, and they're like, oh, I'm gonna sell my place. And it kind of went from there. So it started my journey and other things. But I really always been more in the medical field of it. Um, in between there, once I did leave, I did go to uh one other place that was more of like a spa-like, and I loved it because I felt like it gave me a range of different experiences. You know, someone doesn't want to come in and do all these cosmetic surgeries or do all they just want to lay down and get a nice facial. And so it it really built my experience from there. But I've always been more in the um cosmetic surgery field more than anything.

SPEAKER_01 5:57

Yeah, so so for anyone who doesn't know, and she was talking about uh Dr. G was their surgeon, Dr. G is Kator's medical director. Yes. So um just for anyone listening when she mentioned that. So she's she's known Dr. G for a while.

Finding Couture and hitting stride

SPEAKER_00 6:11

Yeah, well for a long time. And he still does his thing. Yeah, still good at it, you know. How did you find Couture? So the place that I was working at, um, I was a laser tech there mostly. Um, and it was in Winter Park, and I knew he was closing down. And so he was having hardship, you know, just like a lot of this industry is really, really hard. Um, it takes many years to be consistent and really put your money back into it. And sometimes people just fail. But I was there for about four years, and I knew we were closing. Um, things were really hard there, and I decided to look on Indeed. And there was Kator, and it was like, oh, we're looking for an occitation, you know, come join us in our team. And I was like, you know what? Let's I'm gonna try it. And I as soon as I put in my application, they called me, came in, did an interview, and they called me that same day. And it was great. Everybody that I met at that moment, I just loved it. I walked in, it was in a Kowie, and it was like brand new. I think it was like seven months old. Yeah, it was eight months old. And here comes Lindsay, back-to-back facials, exhausted. I'm tired. I was so happy when we yes, I think you run up to them or something. You told me, and you're like, I need help.

SPEAKER_01 7:31

Yeah, so uh Cynthia was I was full-time in Okoe, and um we were getting so busy and I was slammed, and they were like, we need a second estation here. So beautiful Cynthia came along and was my night in shining armor and saved the day. And we got to work together for a few months.

SPEAKER_00 7:51

I want to say it was a closer year. It was almost a year. Okay, yeah, because in between that, towards half of the year, I started floating. Yes, right. I went to Ofito. The only place I wasn't doing was Winter Park. I think at that time, for some reason with Winter Park, they're very straight. We weren't zoned. Um, but Diane did fight for that. She did fought really hard for that.

SPEAKER_01 8:12

And then Winter Park stole Cynthia from me. Yes. And she is thriving in Winter Park. Everyone loves Cynthia.

SPEAKER_00 8:20

I just I just love everyone, but I loved it just floating to get because sometimes you you you lose the thought, like, oh my god, I'm not the only Couture Med Spa here. You know, there's four other locations, so it was so nice to every other day you go to a different place, you know, talk to the nurse practitioners and all the girls. And it was, I loved it. But then there came to a point where it was like, hey, we need you full time. Can you can you do winter park? And I was like, Yeah, I'm down. I've always been in Winter Park. I've been in Winter Park for many years. Um, and I was like, you know what? Yeah, I'll do it. And I just never look back. Yeah. I love it.

Floating locations to Winter Park

SPEAKER_01 8:57

So over the year, I mean, you've been in aesthetics for over 20 years. Um, you've seen the role as an aesthetician change, both in the industry and yourself. Um what are some of the changes that you've seen in the aesthetics world over these years?

How aesthetics has evolved

SPEAKER_00 9:13

A lot more responsibility being on the aesthetician. You know, before it was like an aesthetician was like, okay, come lay down. Let me, you know, slap your face around. But, you know, as things evolve, I feel technology evolved with that too, right? There's so many different lasers out there now. I mean, there's so many other great ingredients that they put in and these wonderful skincare products. And it's really about educating yourself constantly. You know, there's a reason why there are CEUs that are required for this industry. It's because it's always evolving. Um, there's always a new thing coming out, you know, and it's like no one's you're you have to educate the patient. You know, they walk in and sometimes they just feel so lost. They have no idea about anything. And so I feel like there has been a lot more responsibility that's been put on aestheticians. And I feel like it makes a place, you know, it's not just about cosmetic surgery, it's so much more that entails from that. To me, I'm like, I tell people, I'm like, listen, it's like buying a Ferrari and you don't want to pay to change the oil. You know, there are other elements. You can't just walk in here and do a laser and not feel like it's not important what you're putting on your skin consistently. Um, so I think educating and the involve just being an the evolving aspect of just technology. I mean, I would have never thought in 20 years, you know, we'd be doing microneedling with exosomes, you know, exosomes before it was like, oh, well, I do PRP, you know, and I try to educate people and say PRP is great, but now there's something even better. Um, so I do feel like with the technology aspect of it, like even sculpture, right? Sculpture was created, what, in the 90s? It was for AIDS patients. It was, if you were going to be diagnosed with HIV, you were gonna get AIDS, right? And so they came up with sculpture. And it's like now, sculpture, we can't, we can't keep it in the back. We're always doing something. Um, and I feel like certain things have always been around, but they just tend to migrate within the aesthetic industry. And I think as a whole, it's it's just amazing. I love it.

SPEAKER_01 11:36

Are there any challenges that you've had to overcome as an aesthetician?

Trust, protocols, and challenges

SPEAKER_00 11:40

I think people just not believe in you or not caring, you know. I mean, there's some patients that I've had for years, and I, you know, I'm like, listen, I'm not someone to push this on you or that. And I give them time and space. You know, they might feel comfortable with the product that they get at CVS, which is great. You know, I think if it works for you, that's that's awesome. But I think once they listen to you after a while, I I can't tell me how many patients have come and said, I love it. I will never live without this product, or I will never live without doing these treatments. So that's been the challenge more of like people really just trusting your word, you know, and saying, and I I think it's easier for me too, because I have done lasers for so long that when someone comes in and she's new or he's new, um, I really give them kind of like a protocol of like, hey, listen, this is what you should be doing. You're gonna do, you're gonna do this kind of facial, we're gonna do this, and then you're gonna go with a nurse practitioner and you're gonna do a fractional. You're gonna do a fractional melasma, or you know what, let's do your microneedling two weeks, we're gonna do your fractional. And it makes such a big difference, you know, because a lot of the girls do. They they come in and they feel lost. So for them, they're just like, I just want to do my treatment and go. And it's like, well, hold on, before you leave, let me educate you. Let me let you know the ultimate result that you can get. So I think that's kind of challenging is someone kind of opening up and trusting you with that more than anything.

unknown 13:08

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 13:10

What would you say, or how would you describe working at Couture different from any other place that you've worked? What sets Couture apart in your mind?

What makes Couture different

SPEAKER_00 13:19

Well, when I first started, I was shocked. I was like, you know what? Just like anybody else, it's like, wait, what? What do you get? You get like eight lasers in the month and you get a facial and a B12, and you get products at a discount. I was just like, there's just no way, there's no way. But as I started, the happiness that people when they walk in and they're just like, I love doing my lasers and I love my facials. Um it's so different. Uh, you know, Katour offers something that no other place has ever offered. I I feel like I'm starting to see it maybe a little bit more in different ways, but still nothing like Katour. It just it's just unbelievable. The concept of it, I didn't, I'll be honest in the beginning, I was like, this ain't gonna work. It's not gonna work. But the time and energy it takes to maintain a place and maintenance your lasers and keep up with things, Couture is amazing. I mean, there is no other place that gives you everything for something that you you just people before they're like, I can't afford a$500 fractional. And I'm like, Yeah, I know. I can't either. I don't I can't either. Um I've never seen it before. And it still to this moment has not been done. I have not seen it yet to the to the max that Couture does it. Yeah, you know, some people always try to look and say, what's the catch? It's like, no, there's not, there's not a catch. Pay your fee, pay your monthly membership, and just come in, you know? Um but Couture's amazing. I love the concept, and I think this is the beginning of a different industry of saying, you know what, we're gonna give patients a lot more than what they think they can get. And Couture does that.

unknown 15:20

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 15:22

What keeps you motivated in this industry?

SPEAKER_00 15:26

Oh my gosh, these patients. I love them so much.

SPEAKER_01 15:30

And they love you. Oh my god. They really do.

SPEAKER_00 15:33

I it it's like a it's a joy, and plus the girls, we have so much fun, you know. You have these nurse practitioners that have been with us for a long time, and they're so motivated and love what they do. I mean, because think about it, as a nurse practitioner, you can do so much. You can you can really go into any field, really. Um, but the aesthetic field is just it's a different kind of atmosphere. And I absolutely, but more than anything is the patience. I can't tell you the joy that it gives me to see all my girls and guys, a lot of guys, um, come in. And that really is what motivates me. Because if they don't walk in, I have nothing to do. I have nothing to do. And then I go crazy. Um, so definitely my my patience, our patience, uh, is just it's what makes it. It's what drives me to go into work every day and be there.

SPEAKER_01 16:29

Yeah, it's funny because the girls will always be um talking about them being like, oh, well, you know, they only want Cynthia for their facial, so I gotta make sure and get them in. Cynthia has very loyal clients in Winter Park and they keep her very busy.

Patients and team as motivation

SPEAKER_00 16:43

Uh yes, yeah. Those, I'll tell you, Winter Park is like a different breed. It really is. Those women and those guys, they're just they're so loyal. Like once they figure out, they're like, I love you guys. I'm never going anywhere. It's like, yeah. And I'll be honest too. There's sometimes, you know, they'll walk in and be like, well, I really want to do this laser. It's like, well, we don't offer it. But you know what? I can always recommend you to a place that does. So I I want to make people understand that I'm not here to, you know, be subjective just to this. Like, I love couture, but there's things that sometimes we don't offer. We can't have every single laser. It's impossible. The ones that we do have are amazing, and every single place should have these types of lasers. But there's other ones that are more detailed in other different specifications that I'll say, hey, and and they're surprised because usually it's like, well, good luck, you know, find it yourself. I'm not gonna tell you where to go. Um, so I I really feel like the patients make it at couture for sure.

SPEAKER_01 17:52

Speaking of, you're talking about both also like male clients as well.

unknown 17:56

Oh, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 17:57

What's the trend you've seen in that over your years of aesthetics with male clients? Is it becoming more common? Oh, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 18:04

Absolutely. I think it's you know, before it was like, you know, guys didn't want to walk in, you know, there'd be all these women sitting numbing for their fractionals for 45 minutes. And some of these guys felt, you know, I can tell, but I'll be honest with you, a lot of these wives will like literally force their husbands to come in. And once they're in, they're in. They're as loyal and dedicated as their wife or their partner. Um, but I have seen it grow, definitely, you know, and it's like this is not just an industry for women. I don't know who told you that. But men have skin too. Yeah, it's called we're all human. We're all human. Um, our cells format the same way. So we do. We have a lot of male patients, and some of the male patients will even ask us, like, do you guys, do you have a lot of guys? And we're like, Yeah. Well, I mean, do you think you're the only one?

unknown 18:57

No, it's not.

Male clients rising and loyal

SPEAKER_00 18:59

You're not. Um, so I do, I have seen it grow. Absolutely. And we we do, we have a lot of guys. And I love them just as much as the girls.

SPEAKER_01 19:09

Yes. And you're not wrong, male clients, not that the women clients aren't loyal either, but male clients are very loyal. I feel like once they find and they trust someone and they feel comfortable, they're gonna listen to what we have to say. They're gonna listen to the product recommendations that we talk about, and they keep coming back. And that is one thing that I've I've noticed. And I've even had a few male clients too that have referred their other male friends here, like, oh, like we, you know, I go here and you know, they take good care of me. Um, so I think it is something that is becoming more open for males to like, like you said, we all have skin, our cells all do the same thing. They need to take care of themselves just as much as women. It's not just a female thing.

SPEAKER_00 19:49

No, it's really not. The other day we had a guy who was 78. He walked in and he had a cane and he was ready. Love it. He was like, I want to look my best. And I'm like, we're gonna, you came to the right place. You come over here. That's precious. It's it was so precious. But even the much older guys who I think, you know, 20, 30 years ago, it wasn't the thing to do. You didn't walk in and do any of that at all. Yeah, it was a secret if you did, you know. Oh, yeah. Um, so now it's more acceptable. And I'm so proud of that. I love that. I know it's so cute.

SPEAKER_01 20:27

So if you could give uh someone advice at starting out in aesthetics, what's some advice that you would tell them?

Advice for new estheticians

The future of tech and Couture

SPEAKER_00 20:35

It really is about experience and confidence. I think those two go together. When I first started, I didn't realize that like you know, quote unquote sales was uh something that you were supposed to do. And I was like, wait a minute, I'm supposed to tell this person what to buy? Like, I thought they could, I mean, that was really intimidating. I I think confidence is the key. When you feel confident and you're educating, they're gonna listen to everything you have to say. They might not get that product now, but I promise you they're gonna get it. You know, and I tell them, listen, when you're done with this, buy this, do this. So confidence is key and constant education, constant education. This industry is always evolving. I don't know what the next thing is gonna be. It's gonna be like face transplant, like face off. You know, you're gonna come in and be like, oh, we have a new face for you. You know, that's how I feel. But really confidence and an experience, be humble. Um, when I first started, it's intimidating. You know, you're walking into a place, you have all these other aestheticians, and they're like, please, you know, we'll see how good she is, or she's not gonna take my patience. Like, what? Um and then as I got older, I feel like I take some of these girls under my wings. You know, when they come in, I'm like, hey, listen, if you ever have any questions or you're not really sure, I think the most important thing, like I will say over and over again, is to feel confident. Being educated will give you confidence. And confidence gives results. It's just the way that it is, you know, because someone can come to you later on and say, Oh, well, I'm not really seeing results. It's like, well, honey, because you're not really doing what you're supposed to do, you're doing your fractional and you're not wearing some blocks. So actually, what you're doing is even worse. It's even worse. You know, we're stripping your microbiome, and now you're going in and you think because your skin looks fabulous for 10 days, you're good, you know. So educating and confidence is the key for any of these girls starting out. And once again, be humble. Go to all these different places and try it. You know, every location, every place is going to offer something different. And I'll tell you, like when I came into Couture, there was things that you guys were doing as facials that I was already trained in. I I already knew I'm like fire and ice, honey, I've been selling their products forever is clinical. There was so many other things. So it was like, I didn't grab all this info from just one place. It was literally experience from going to different places. So you really have to be humble in that way, for sure.

SPEAKER_01 23:15

So looking ahead at the future, what excites you the most about aesthetics and your journey with Couture?

SPEAKER_00 23:22

Oh my gosh, Couture, I feel like it's just like a growing phenomenon. I mean, there's so many people that come into and they're like, Can I franchise? And I'm like, Yeah, honey, you can do whatever you want. Like, here's a number, here's an email, do your thing. It's just gonna get bigger. It's just gonna, it's gonna expand and it's gonna evolve to really that's gonna be, I feel like the only way, you know? And I get it. You know, there's other people out there, like you go to a plastic surgeon, guess what? All you should be doing is your plastic surgery, right? You've got the surgeon who's doing that part of it. And then you have other things that go involved into that. So I do feel like other places, and even girls right now who maybe in 10, 15 years, you're gonna be like, I remember when I went to couture and I'm gonna open up a place just like that. So this is just the beginning for couture, and it's been what 13 13 years, 12. 12 years in 12 years. You know, it's it's definitely it's gonna be involved, and just like I said, with other things as far as the industry, it's like, hey, one day you'll be coming, be like, okay, we're gonna take your whole skin off, we're gonna put on a new one, we're gonna just clean it, wash it, and we're gonna put it back on. So God knows what this is gonna evolve to. We have a lot of smart people out there in the world that are making things right now for us to see in 10, 20 years.

SPEAKER_01 24:46

I agree with you. Yeah, it's yeah, there's always something new, always evolving.

SPEAKER_00 24:50

Always, always exciting.

SPEAKER_01 24:53

Yeah, it's exciting to see that.

Self-love and realistic goals

SPEAKER_00 24:54

Or just like you're like, we're getting new products. And I'm like, yes. And it's learning something new.

SPEAKER_01 25:01

There's new science, new technology, always. Always, always. And you guys are always great at helping me make sure that it's a legit one.

SPEAKER_00 25:10

Yeah, no, I and you know what? I mean, all the girls we all trust with what you do. Like, if you're gonna bring on something, we know you did your homework, you know. Diane, too, she's like, Oh my god, I've been using it forever. I love it, you know. So it's like perfect, great. That's all I need to know.

SPEAKER_01 25:24

Yeah, we will always test something out for you.

SPEAKER_00 25:26

Yeah, absolutely. So, yeah. Nice.

SPEAKER_01 25:30

Do you have any any last words of wisdom for anyone or any last remarks?

SPEAKER_00 25:36

Just every person, you know, just women are so hard on themselves. We really are. Like when they come in and they're like, I hate this, and I'm like, you are so beautiful. This is just enhancing your beauty, whatever you decide to do. Um just don't be so hard on yourself. We're all beautiful from the inside out, but because you have a sunspot, you feel like you're a hundred years old, you know, or you have this wrinkle. It's like those things can always be solved. But at the end of the day, you know, we're all still beautiful. You know, it's like I see some of these patients that come in and they're so self-conscious. And I'm like, no, we're gonna bring that up because there is no way, honey. And I tell I tell the girls too, I'm like, do you really think your man's looking at that sunspot? No, probably never even noticed it. He doesn't notice. He doesn't. Um so yeah, it's just just love yourself. And the rest will come when you love yourself and you feel like you deserve it, then you walk into guitar and you're like, I'm gonna do this membership. A lot, a lot of patients will say that I'm gonna treat myself for the year. It's like, oh honey, you're gonna be here for a long time. And they do, they end up being here because they just they just can't quit. So I can't quit. No, never, never.

SPEAKER_01 27:00

All right. So we're gonna end on a fun note. Okay, we're gonna do some rapid fire questions. Okay. All right. Coffee or tea? Tea. Favorite skincare ingredient.

Rapid fire and closing CTA

SPEAKER_00 27:10

Oh gosh, it's so hard. Uh, I mean, I would say vitamin C, exosomes, uh, I mean, glycolic, salicylic, all of it. I I cannot just pick one thing. It's like a choo-choo train of all these elements that go together and um enhance each other.

SPEAKER_01 27:28

Dream vacation spot.

SPEAKER_00 27:29

Oh gosh, probably back. My family's from Italy. Um, so I would love to go um to this little town that's called Castacivita. And so I want to go there. So I will be going there. Yes. Take me with you. I know. I will. I will, girl, put you in a suitcase. Love it.

SPEAKER_01 27:46

Uh, favorite treatment to receive.

SPEAKER_00 27:49

Microneatling. All the way. With exosomes, by the way. All the things. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 27:55

Morning person or night owl.

SPEAKER_00 27:57

Totally night owl.

unknown 27:58

Totally.

SPEAKER_00 27:59

I wish I was a night owl. Yeah. My husband's the opposite, yeah. Which is kind of nice sometimes. You get to vibe on your own time, but night owl for sure. Yeah. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 28:09

All right, Cynthia. Well, thank you so much for uh joining us today. Thank you for being here. I loved having you. So thank you so much for tuning in to another episode of Kator Conversations. If you enjoyed this episode, episode, make sure you follow along for more episodes with our incredible team. Don't forget to like and subscribe. We would love if you would leave us a review. Uh, you can find us on all social media so Instagram, YouTube, Facebook, TikTok, all the good things. Our website is katormedspaw.com. You can find all of our information on there and get in touch with us. But until next time, thanks for joining.