Inside ChiZme The Nude Gay Bar Taking Over Zipolite

This week Adam and I are recording LIVE (well… pre-opening and mildly sweaty) from ChiZme in Zipolite — and trust me, this is not your average beach bar.

We are sitting down with Vincent, the man, the myth, the beautifully unbothered mastermind behind what might be the most iconic underground gay bar in Mexico right now- ChiZme. Think Berlin energy. Think mezcal. Think dim alley entrance. Think zero tolerance for attitude.

Yes… we’re also talking about the nude nights. And why they’re about to be seven nights a week.

ChiZme is raw, intentional, a little feral — and somehow deeply curated. It’s giving underground European fantasy in the middle of a Mexican nude beach town.

If you’ve ever wondered what it takes to create a queer nightlife institution in paradise… this is the origin story.

Come for the mezcal. Stay because you forgot your clothes.

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Transcript

SPEAKER_00 0:05

What happens when you let Enfanturible, now just terrible, Daniel Nardicho, off his leash to say and do whatever he wants? The man who has offended everyone is back.

SPEAKER_02 0:16

Along with my brother from another mother, Adam Clesh, we're back with our latest creation, Trigger Warning. A podcast that is not for the faint of heart. Prepare to be offended, enlightened, and highly entertained. Trigger Warning is not a safe space podcast, but answers the questions no one wants to ask. Serves deep in vodka and a dash of bitter.

SPEAKER_00 0:38

Each week we'll bring you the highest and lowest in NYC nightlife. So buckle up. You've been warned.

SPEAKER_02 0:53

So we uh we're here live at Cheese May before opening hours, which I love. You know, uh cheese is it's my it's my go-to. It's your go to. It's your cheers as I'm gonna do it. And we just love the honor. Vincent's incredible. For young people, I would say it's my everyday, uh, what is it called? Uh uh It's always sunny in Philadelphia. Oh, there you go. I mean, I was trying to think of her raffle. Although that's been up for 25 years. I was about to say central perk, and I was like, ah, it's not gonna cut it. No, no, totally. Uh, but we love cheese may uh we've spent a lot of time here this past week. Um, it's been really fun.

SPEAKER_00 1:23

Girl, we had them turn the fans off, and let me tell you, I am sweating. You're gonna see it on the camera if you play if you pay for the Patreon and you want to see my booty. Yeah, totally. She's a hot one. So um But we got Vincent coming on. I'm excited. The boys are starting to take their clothes off, they're gonna start coming in shortly.

SPEAKER_02 1:40

Yeah, totally. I'm so excited. I love this bar. I love uh Vincent. Uh we're so excited. I know he's been really excited about this interview coming out because Vincent, he was nervous, he did really well. I love the origin story of Cheese Made. There's been four iterations. Now it's like a hit in town. He wants to get rid of it. And he wants to get rid of it. So if you're looking to buy down in Zipali, Zibeli today's hottest bar. Hottest bar is up for sale. Just go in and ask for Vincent. All you have to do is look at that massive wanger. Massive wanger swinging between his legs and just swinging.

SPEAKER_00 2:13

He'll have a foot long cigarette in his mouth, a cocktail in one hand, and a foot and a half long cock. Foot and a half long cock that he's just welcome in. It's ding ding ding ding ding. I love that guy. I really do. No, he's great. But um You're listening to Trigger Warning. Uh, come on, stick around. And listen to Vincent. And here we are with Vincent from Cheese May.

SPEAKER_02 2:32

And Tabasco's. And Tabasco's in studio too. He's really itching to get out because he heard it was clothing optional. Well, he saw the bottle of mezcal that Vince was nice enough to give us. Oh, speaking of which.

SPEAKER_00 2:42

Oh, yeah, cheers. To Cheese May and Trigger Warning.

SPEAKER_02 2:44

To Cheese May and Crown War.

SPEAKER_00 2:46

Try the Mezcal when you're in town.

SPEAKER_02 2:47

Uh, do you know what Cheese May stands for, Adam? I don't. I'm not that educated. Gossip.

SPEAKER_00 2:52

Really? It's a good name. Wow, I just fell in love all over again.

SPEAKER_02 2:56

It's so crazy to me because it's such a good name, and sometimes we work so hard to come up with a name for a club or a party or a venue or something. And then all of a sudden you hear Cheese May and you think, ah, what a great name. But I'm also hearing from the studio audience that it means like cum shot, like Bucaki. Well, we're gonna find out when we talk to Vince. Because I don't really know. But I do wanna do want to say one of the things I love about Cheese May, one of the many things about Cheese May, um is it's like Berlin Roses Barbecue meets the cock, meets uh meets cock in a wag, meets Metropicana. Meets uh what's the other place that we were talking about that it kind of has that vibe? It's uh it's that kind of like underground but sexy. So walking up here, oh the alleyway is incredible.

SPEAKER_00 3:35

The alleyway is very much like Berlin. Like if you've ever been to about blank or anything like that, right? It's like all the twig fences outside of Hotsmacht, and then like boom, there's just this door to the club, and you have no idea through this little swinging door that this wonderful little faggy paradise exists.

SPEAKER_02 3:50

Yeah, it's incredible. And I've watched it since my time I've been down here. I've moved down here like a month ago now, and I've watched in the even just because high season's hitting the first few times they came in, Vincent's could I we I call us Waldorf and Statler. We sit here at the end of the bar and we cackle and tell stories and stuff, and he tells me stories about you know disability and and the bar and the iterations of the bar. And then uh there would be like 10 guys who come in, and then all of a sudden a week later, 25 guys would come in, and then all of a sudden it was like 50 guys would come in, and they were all like adorable, different types, which I love. But all walks, all walks. A total Benetton ad, though. This guy's from Australia, this one's like Mexican, this one's you know, uh, you know, Chinese. They're from everywhere, and they're all but naked now, which is like what really amazes me.

SPEAKER_00 4:36

That's my favorite part that I'm still welcome in an establishment that serves alcohol, and all my clothes are off. Normally it's an immediate exit for me these days.

SPEAKER_02 4:43

Well, I'm excited to be, we're breaking this news in America, but uh cheese made used to be only naked on Friday and Sunday nights. And then Vincent, who like I said, we're gonna have out in a few minutes, uh, decided that Friday night was naked, Sunday night was undressed, and Saturday night whatever, Saturday night was nude. And I loved that. But then now it's I think on the 14th, we'll find out when we talk to him that uh it's open seven nights a week and it's naked seven nights a week. As it should be. And I'm a woman of a certain age. I like a bar that's open from seven to eleven.

SPEAKER_00 5:12

So are your lovers recently.

SPEAKER_02 5:14

Yeah, I know.

SPEAKER_00 5:14

We're gonna let Vincent get situated here. I think he's derobing in the dressing room. Oh, there he goes. Yeah, she's gonna get it. Yeah, go ahead. She's gotta bring out that huge tally walker.

SPEAKER_02 5:24

Yeah, I love that. That's cute music from Vincent's entrance. Yes, you're here, honey.

SPEAKER_00 5:29

You can come on in. Don't be nervous.

SPEAKER_02 5:31

In the Pantheon of Nightlife. Could you turn that down a little bit, Adam? I had a really good intro with that music. You just left me to my own devices. Turn it down a little bit, though.

SPEAKER_00 5:43

I don't know how I don't know where this turns down.

SPEAKER_02 5:45

The volume right there. No. Oh god, you're like a fucking. Listen, this is why we have our produce.

SPEAKER_00 5:52

That's as low as it goes. Well, listen, it's no secret that we're down here in Zip Elite because we're building the beautiful Caso ASIC and Casita 66 and Zip 66, our diner. It's wonderful. Yes. Um, but this is more about uh our favorite bar, right?

SPEAKER_02 6:09

Yeah, well, we we're not working building something, we're somewhere destroying something. And that would be like its reputation. That'll be Adam's liver. Uh cheers. Uh I I've been in we've been in Nightlife for many, many years, Adam and I. We've worked with a lot of different people. And I wouldn't do this with many barers because most of them, and Alan Menorelli. They're either straight or they're boring. They're really awful. Yeah, yeah. They're terrible human beings. There's a few that have become friends. But this person is this guy's great. He's great. He's running, uh I owns the coolest bar in Zibelite. He has the funnest stories. He is a good time guy, and he's here tonight to talk to us about cheese may, ziplite, whatever we want. So they want. Bring him to the microphone. Vincent from Cheese May. Hey. He's nervous as hell to be here. Yes, I'm not sure. But I mean, how could you be nervous to have a tally whacker like that? I know, right. Just bang it on the mic. Anytime you want with just bang it on the mic, you don't even have to speak. Okay, good. His dick is so big, I don't know whether to suck it or feed it a peanut.

SPEAKER_03 7:05

Oh, that was good!

SPEAKER_02 7:09

So Vincent started Cheese Made. This is, by the way, Adam, uh, the fourth iteration of Cheese Made. So he's had four bars uh named Cheese Made. Am I correct? Four bars? Correct. And this is the fourth one. And dare I say the most successful? And can I also say that sort of go ahead.

SPEAKER_00 7:25

Most successful?

SPEAKER_01 7:26

Um in different ways.

SPEAKER_00 7:29

Yeah? Yes. What do you mean?

SPEAKER_01 7:30

Well, um, the second bar was more about live music. Uh-huh. Okay. Right.

SPEAKER_02 7:41

Oh wow.

SPEAKER_01 7:41

I didn't know that. And it was so small that if four people look like a party and two.

SPEAKER_00 7:46

So wait, you were the first gay bar in Zipolite? Correct. Mind blown, sorry. Before Maxima and all that. Wow. Yeah. All right, so origin story. How the hell did you get yourself down to this? Because even now it's only 938 people are the official population of Zipolite. It's a little more. Okay. Like 1200. 1200. Yeah, yeah. That's except for the immigrants like me. Um how do you find yourself on this this hippie uh only nude beach, only legal nude beach in Mexico queer community community? How do you find yourself here? Uh a short two-week vacation.

SPEAKER_01 8:26

Seven and a half years later. Um but I was actually here decades ago. When there was nothing.

SPEAKER_02 8:37

Back when it was like Palapas on the beach and like hammocks.

SPEAKER_01 8:40

It was less. How do you?

SPEAKER_02 8:42

What did it look like ten years ago?

SPEAKER_01 8:43

I mean, paint me a picture. Um because for us, this is rustic. Yeah, well, back then, if you wanted to um use the bathroom, you dug a hole in near a coconut. Really? So you could lean back. Really? And there was no water.

SPEAKER_00 9:00

And then were there just like coconut markers you had to be careful that you weren't? You weren't digging where someone else shit. Yeah, pretty much. That's it, said don't shit where you eat to a whole new level. Exactly, exactly.

SPEAKER_01 9:12

So um I didn't come back for decades because I was it was too rustic for me. Right, right. It was just like no thanks. Because you you grew up in Mexico, right? In Mexico and and the States. Nice. Um, but um a friend of mine kept insisting for decades that I come to see Polite. And I was like, no, no, no, no, no, thanks. It's too rustic. I want some hot water and go a toilet. You know.

SPEAKER_00 9:40

Call me old-fashioned, but yeah, yeah. Yeah, shitting near a coconut's not gonna cut it, says.

SPEAKER_01 9:45

And uh finally was like, okay, shut up already, I'll go. Okay. And so I called my boyfriend up and I said, We're going to Cipolite. And he he was a little opposed to it because that's he American or Mexican? He's Mexican. Okay. And um he um was like hesitant because it at the time Cipolite had a reputation of being a a little too liberal for Mexico. Oh, okay. But still kind of does, right? Yeah, it still does. But it's a little more fashionable. Yeah. So um, so I looked up for the the most expensive hotel at the time, which at that time was Alcamista. And um I did it look roughly the same decades ago. Yeah, I mean, it it's a little nicer now. But um I was like, okay, if it's that expensive, they must have water. You know, our toilet.

SPEAKER_00 10:39

Your boyfriend was like running water as a block.

SPEAKER_01 10:41

Well, no, it was me. And um she's a douche. So I um booked two weeks and stayed there and loved it. It took me a week to figure out that there was a whole other part of town. I just totally missed it.

SPEAKER_00 10:59

Did the boyfriend leave and you stayed? Uh you both stayed the two weeks.

SPEAKER_01 11:03

Well, we we stayed the two weeks, and then um he went, we both went back, and um he lives in Mexico City, and I at the time was living in Quetero. Okay. And um, I I think like two or three weeks later, I flew out here again to look for a house. Oh, you fell in love? I fell in love with it. Wow. And um five weeks later I was living here. Wow. So I sent a truck from Quetaro with all my possessions going, God, I don't know if they'll ever get there, but we'll find out. And they'd ask me the address, and I'd be like, I don't know, just go to Cal Eight and ask for me. Because there are no addresses.

SPEAKER_02 11:41

Our property down there is no address.

SPEAKER_01 11:42

Yeah, it was like Vincent care of Ask for Vincent. Yeah, yeah, basically. Yeah. And um and somehow um I found a house and I and then I saw this little tiny space for rent. Uh-huh. And I was like, well, how much is it? And it was like it was so cheap. I was like, well, if it doesn't work, I'll just I'll have storage. You know. And so I um I rented it and I looked at all the other bars, and they had like, you know, one bottle of tequila and two kinds of mascal and maybe vodka and maybe and like a case of beer. And a case of beer. And you're like, I was like, you guys don't have no idea how to do a bar.

SPEAKER_00 12:24

Yeah. So I um Which is what we say to people all the time, except Vince. We don't say it to Vincent. Yeah. Well, thank God. We like coming here, that's why.

SPEAKER_01 12:33

You might be getting some. Um so I hyper decorated the first bar.

SPEAKER_00 12:42

Which is kind of your thing.

SPEAKER_01 12:43

Well, I this isn't even decorated. I mean, it's I'm just starting.

SPEAKER_00 12:47

You know, I'm gonna spit I'm gonna take a video of this place that you'll be able to find online. Exactly. It's called not decorated. Yeah. But you know, it's it's so I ask a lot of our guests that come on the show like for their origin story, and most of them like have stayed in their career. Like we have Broadway actors and you know, just people from all walks of queer life who have pretty much always been in that career path. But you, your origin story, if I'm correct, was as like an art collector and dealer, right?

SPEAKER_01 13:14

I was an art dealer, yeah, and uh and I worked for many years for an art gallery, and uh that was my main interest in studied art history. Yeah, and just got over it. Got over it. Well, uh art, who's gonna buy art here?

SPEAKER_00 13:28

You know, like you can't put it in the plane. But isn't that a testament to like a happy life, like studied art, you know, art dealers, stuff like that, came down to a place, fell in love with it, and was like, no one's gonna buy art here. I'm gonna stop being an art dealer because I'd rather be here in my life.

SPEAKER_02 13:43

Yeah, but also I think from what you've told me, it was not easy. You weren't making money for a long time, right?

SPEAKER_01 13:49

Well, I uh not for US standards. Right, right. I mean, I I live comfortably in Mexico. I um I have uh a cabana. I wouldn't say it's um a a nice luxurious house, but I've already done that.

SPEAKER_00 14:08

Right. You did that in Arizona, right?

SPEAKER_01 14:10

Yeah, I already had it.

SPEAKER_00 14:11

You've done that, I have money, I'm spending it. This is a nice life. And yeah, we all know that like more money, more problems, but also no money, lots of problems.

SPEAKER_01 14:19

Um but also like a comfortable life can get boring, right? Well, it it's um it's a little less real when you have when everything can just be taken care of.

SPEAKER_00 14:29

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 14:29

Um when you have to um like fix it yourself. Yeah. Like I learned about plumbing and I learned about electricity, and I learned about how to screw well, I know how to screw, but how to screw wood.

SPEAKER_00 14:44

What do you think rate being self-sufficient?

SPEAKER_01 14:46

It's wonderful. It's it's actually really satisfying.

SPEAKER_00 14:50

It's one of the most rewarding things I I have. I mean, I'm a college dropout, I didn't get that far. I never went into a major career, but like, you know, I can hook up a three-phase hot water eater. And I love it.

SPEAKER_01 15:00

I can't do that. Then I have to like call somebody. But I built this this bar in three weeks. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 15:10

And um three weeks. Three weeks. I want everyone to hear that. He built this bar in three weeks. It's a great thing. You'll be able to find the video online and understand what one person did in three weeks.

SPEAKER_02 15:19

Yeah, there's there's like uh art everywhere, there's something to look at everywhere. It's the majority of visually stimulating.

SPEAKER_00 15:25

The majority of the art is Vincent's, yes?

SPEAKER_01 15:26

No, no, no, but I commissioned it all. Oh, no. But no, um, the only art piece that's mine is the cock sculpture. Oh, I love it. Which I love the classic. The rotating lit up cock sculpture.

SPEAKER_00 15:38

The rotating rainbow dildo cock sculpture with 16 heads. Oh, that reminds me of the guessing game. Where's the artwork where you ask people to guess how many cocks are in the picture? Oh, it's around the corner of my colour. Okay. It used to be here. It used to be. Okay. Yeah, I was way off. I won't give the number away because it's a fun game. Yeah, it was way off. It's a fun game. Thank you for not giving it away.

SPEAKER_02 16:01

You're you're good with advice in terms of when people are coming down here because you've been here for a long time. Like what I have a the biggest thing I hear from people that want to come to Zipalite is well, the first one is always the cartel, which is crazy.

SPEAKER_00 16:12

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 16:12

They're always like, oh my god, the cartel's gonna get me. It's like, bitch, they don't want you. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 16:16

Um it's also not here. It's not here. The locals are there's a word in Spanish which I've never been able to translate. It's Bravo. They're like a a mean dog. Yeah. Um when the cartel tries to come in, the locals stand up and get just say, get the it's it's tribal in this. Can I swear on this drug? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh, yeah, swear away. Fuck it, fuck fuck. Yeah, they're like, get the fuck out of here. Yeah. And um, and so I of all the places I've lived in Mexico, I've never felt safer.

SPEAKER_00 16:53

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 16:55

At any hour. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 16:57

And I, you know, I I can walk down the beach, I can walk down the street. I mean, I've I've drunkenly stumbled home with some of our faggiest friends, hell haze. And like, I I never worry whether I'm on the beach, on a city street, you know, whatever it is, no street lights on, nothing's gonna happen down here. It and it's an aggressive. It's a town street. Yeah, it's not a city street. Very true. No, you're absolutely correct. But it's such a wonderful feeling. Like, nobody's here. If anything, they're looking out for you to like not hurt yourself.

SPEAKER_02 17:27

Well, I'm also seeing a lot of trans people around, and I can tell they feel safer here. I mean, uh, it's not when people think it's unsafe here. I'm like, you you do realize that your chances of getting killed in Texas are 40 times greater than a grocery store. And yeah, I would I read this article about how it's your chances in Texas of being killed are 40 times greater than anywhere in Mexico. Probably maybe not anywhere in Mexico, their places are probably less safe, but you know, I find it really heartwarming to see couples walking hand in hand, gay couples, trans women, trans men. Oh my god, I was at uh Casa Nudista for the party, and there was this DJ DJing, and it was like I was like, that dude is hot, and it was uh trans man. I love it. And I I only know because everyone was naked, and I was like, oh, okay, yeah, all right. How you doing? Yeah, or yeah, how you not doing? Because it was not something to someone. But um, so this is your fourth iteration of Cheese May, and uh now you are going to go start uh starting in about a week, actually, fully seven nights a week naked, mandatory naked. What was the why?

SPEAKER_01 18:34

Um I like to see cock.

SPEAKER_00 18:38

There it is. You heard it here first.

SPEAKER_01 18:41

Although I prefer to see us.

SPEAKER_00 18:43

There you go. Were all four cheese mays nude? No. No, not all four generations were nude. When did the nude start and how'd you get there?

SPEAKER_01 18:51

It started about a year ago. Um really about in the third cheese made.

SPEAKER_00 18:56

Okay.

SPEAKER_01 18:57

Um it you know, one night turned into like, oh, let's do this again.

SPEAKER_00 19:03

Was the third cheese over there? Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 19:06

Okay, I went I went to that one. We've been to the third and fourth. Yeah, yeah. Okay, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 19:11

And so because it was uh what uh I just real quickly, I when I first heard about cheese made. I love this. I don't know if you know this story. Oh, this was such a trauma for me. I kept hearing cheese made, cheese made, cheese made, so I decided when I was gonna go. And I walked in what would be, I guess, that front door, and uh I just went left. And I ended up in this swinger's bar, and I didn't realize it until I ordered something to drink, and I sat there, and there were couples, and you could only go behind this thing if the couples kind of picked you up. And I sat there going, This is really weird. I heard there was this gay bar, and I'm sitting there naked, and um I'm so you bitch. And hey, you fucking you were waiting on that, I can tell. So they you fucker. So they um and there was all straight people, and I thought I kept hearing it was the cheese made. So then I went back the next night, same thing, back the next. So I went like five times before I realized that you make a right, and that was cheese. And then I walked, yeah, so it was like you that left was the straight swingers thing, right was the the cheese make. So I come in here and all of a sudden it was like I was like that kid at the end of the jungle book where I'd found my people, you know what I mean? Where I was like, oh my god, naked guys. Oh, they're here. Exactly.

SPEAKER_01 20:19

Uh it was it was very exciting, and then I've been here ever since. Somehow the rainbow lights down the pathway didn't.

SPEAKER_00 20:26

She's not she's not a master of the obvious. We have four nightclubs, and she's like, they just need to go on and off. I'm like, that's not how lights work at a nightclub, Daniel.

SPEAKER_02 20:36

So now that you what do you now you're it must be exciting going because you know the obviously the formula that you have is working right now. Like it's really working in a way that I've been coming here for about a year and a half. Yeah. Maybe a year, and I'm seeing every night just like pop off. I mean, you can hear it in the background. It's getting busier because. Exactly. You know, it's really popping off, and that's really exciting. You're uh uh uh this must be exciting for you to like realize you're onto something.

SPEAKER_01 21:01

Uh it is. It's um uh considering that we're in low season or we're we've just ended low season, the bar has been doing really well. Yeah, which is really nice because low season here it can be really difficult. Yeah. And so to have a bar that's successful every night is just mind-boggling.

SPEAKER_00 21:24

That's a great feeling. Well, it's also that going back to that being able to do it yourself, it's that feeling of accomplishment, you know?

SPEAKER_01 21:29

Which is it's my you know, it's it's my living sculpture. Yeah. So um, as you know, I'm always changing things. Um, or let's build this.

SPEAKER_02 21:39

Oh yeah, the back room is like a real, like it's a real thing back there now. Yeah, I went back there uh and looked at the mirrored walls and the lighting. I mean, like uh I've been in places where they just throw a mattress on the floor. This place, he's like got they throw a mattress on wood boxes? He's got production honey. Like he's got production.

SPEAKER_00 21:56

Well, and what I love is every time I come in here, it's a little bit different. It reminds me of this famous three Michelin star restaurant. I don't want to misquote myself. It has Michelin stars. And it was called Aura in Sh in Chicago. And every two months they would close down for two weeks and completely change everything. The menu, the decor, everything. And I feel like every time I come into Cheese May, I'm like, oh, that. Oh. You definitely always have a project, it seems like.

SPEAKER_02 22:18

Well, it keeps me busy. Yeah, yeah. The back room was a real project when I came in, and one night he was regaling me with stories about ordering the mirrors and they were the wrong size, and ordering this, and they were the wrong size. And you have to work with what you get because you can't send it back. It's Mexico and you don't know how long it's going to take. Tough tips. But the back room ends up being released.

SPEAKER_00 22:36

Well, and I also just love that the first time I came down here is like there's always this vibe of gay men that come down here, and you so you go to Playa del More, and you know, you have to do it.

SPEAKER_02 22:44

But for our listeners, Playa del More is a little cove which is at the end of the beach. The beach is about the same size as the pines, I would say, from end to end, from El Camista to Playa del More. And then you climb up this, you know, the rickety steps and you go in this cove and it's where you watch the sunset. Everyone drinks, watch the sun. Adam and I almost die. Try to drown. And uh and then everyone has sex basically when the sun goes down.

SPEAKER_00 23:03

Yeah, it's fun, it's a little sunset orgy, but then you come, you do your walk back wherever you may be staying, whether it's all the way back at El Camista or somewhere in between. And really the only kind of things going on is there's another place, Sebastian, that may have some decent music going on. There's a drag show at Maxima, but you know, we're of ladies of a certain age, let's all agree. You can only dance in the sand for so long.

SPEAKER_02 23:22

Right.

SPEAKER_00 23:22

I love making sure that I am back here by 10 p.m. before they close the door at 11. Right. Because then you can stay and drink all night. Right. And I that's such a Berlin vibe to me. Like you gotta be in at a certain time, but we'll treat you nice all night.

SPEAKER_02 23:35

But what I also love about Vincent, though, is that he's he's Mercurial. That's a hard word. Like he'll just go, Mezcal. He's like, We're closing. It's medzcalliel. It could be 11:15. He's like, we're closed. That's it, get out. And I was like, you know, it's your prerogative. Absolutely.

SPEAKER_00 23:48

He does live beyond that door, so at some point. One, he's got his living quarters there, and two, he's paying staff. And by the way, we should mention Mano and Mono and uh Maui and Mau. Who are wonderful, gorgeous, kind, smiley bartenders. Yeah, so just it's always a pleasure when you're at a cool place that has cool staff. They're wonderful, they're quite kind of.

SPEAKER_02 24:09

And they're like mixologists. Yeah. Kind of, you know, they really know how to make a drink. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 24:13

And you know, entertain the crowd. Yeah. Yeah, entertaining the crowd.

SPEAKER_02 24:17

And they entertain themselves. So you are pretty strict. I will say this, I've noticed when people smoke here and they put this. This is such a small detail, but as a bar owner, I paid attention to it. People smoke, put out two cigarettes, and they bartenders take it and empty it out and clean out the things and put it back. And I was like, that's amazing. Like that's kind of amazing. It used to be one. It's supposed to be one. Oh, really?

SPEAKER_00 24:39

Do you know what my you know what my favorite uh cheese may rule from Vincent is? Uh-oh. What? Nobody gets to request a song because then the whole crowd becomes the DJ. They just set a vibe and deal with it. Well, uh, I love it. Yeah, thank you.

SPEAKER_02 24:56

Well, the music is also part of it because uh the music is retro. From your childhood. From my child, well, from my coming out years. Okay. If a lot of it, I go, oh my god, I came out to this song. You can't.

SPEAKER_00 25:07

Well, that's why you remember every single word, like an Alzheimer patient. Yeah, too. Something that's locked away in that long interesting. In three years, you're just gonna be playing it for me. So I can remember. It's so good. I just the words are like something comes honey, it's like, I drove on that.

SPEAKER_02 25:27

How could you not know that song? It's legendary. Um so Vincent. What song is that? Yeah, right.

SPEAKER_00 25:34

Sorry. It's a Cindy Lauper original. I Vincent knows that.

SPEAKER_02 25:39

What is a last question? Because I know that you have to get you have a your bar is gonna fill soon and we want to get let you go to work. But um, what's the craziest thing that you've seen at the Cheese Mate? Well, where you felt like because I have my story from in my nightlife career, and I'm sure you do.

SPEAKER_00 25:55

Oh I don't think it can be um repeated. Can you can you leave the location and the names out and tell the story? It did not happen at Cheese Mate. Okay, good.

SPEAKER_01 26:09

Um I said John. No. Oh god, no. No, no. Um, uh no, really. I it it it's not a good thing. All right, what's your second craziest story? I I'll tell you mine then, because this will be this is not.

SPEAKER_02 26:24

Your craziest cheese made story? My craziest well, I have a I have a crazy cheese made story, but my craziest story, nightlife story, which I still to this day cannot believe. Uh I threw I started an underwear party 25 years ago in New York City, right? No one had done them in New York, and maybe they hadn't, you know, the I don't know when they would have. But anyway, we started this underwear party. Everyone started coming. It's a little bit like this thing where it just snowballed and became this thing. One night, people are all hanging around naked, dancing. This guy's completely naked and drunk, and he can't find his clothes. Back then it was like here, people shove their clothes in a corner. Now I have coach people, yada yada yada. So the guy's like, I don't know what to do. I can't find my clothes, I can't find my clothes. He goes into the bathroom and takes a garbage bag. He was a he was a he was a fashion designer and fashions an entire outfit out of a black garbage bag and walks out, and someone goes, Is that Miyaki? And he's like, No, it's a garbage bag, and he just walked down the stairs of the slide.

SPEAKER_00 27:17

Now Alaska Thunderfuck wears it on stage every night.

SPEAKER_02 27:20

He looks so fucking good. Oh, my bad. And I remember being like, girl, you were in the bathroom for like an hour, and he was just like taking this outfit and and made it into this like outfit and walked out, and we were all like, girl, like, I mean, I would have wrapped myself in a garbage bag and walked out, but to actually do all of that, so now we do this thing on the show called the show's called trigger warning because I get triggered by a lot of things. And this format of the trigger, I got a little from uh Bo and Yang's podcast Las Culturistas with Matt Rogers, but they actually sold it from the Property Brothers, I think. So it's fair to say that this is a third generation of a rant.

SPEAKER_00 27:53

And sometimes other people do it better.

SPEAKER_02 27:54

You know what really triggers me, Adam? And it really kind of is something that is not I don't see it here yet, but I've seen it a lot in New York. Okay. You're on the Fire Island Ferry coming over, okay? The boat pulls into the harbor, you're you want to get out because you got to get that colonial bus to get the fucking train. Yeah. The oldest person with a walker has to get out first. So you got they are at the door. 150 people, it's sweating, you're inside this sweat box, and this person with the walker decides I gotta get out first. And they have two dogs pulling on the other side of the room. And I'm thinking to myself, my whole life is I'm working so hard my whole life to be the person that goes, go young faggot. I'm waiting. Yeah. I'm gonna get off last because I got a car waiting for me, honey. I ain't waiting for no colonial bus. Like, my thing is an old fag with money. If you're an older person, you should be. If and I'm talking, I'm not talking about my age, six, fifty-nine. I'm talking like once you're over 70, 75. Yeah, you should have built a life where you can kind of wait and let the young people out and not make an entire crowd of people. The other day I was in uh Chipotle, uh Chipotle uh Chipotle, no, Putulta, and I want to say put Chipotle. And this old man was walking down the middle of the street with a walker, and there was all this traffic coming. You have to be respectful, yeah, because they're older. But in the same token, I'm thinking, why don't you just go back up with it? Why don't you just wait? Let all the cars go by. You should have earned this in your life now, anyway. So I get a little drink. My goal, my what I want to tell you, any of our listeners that are old, yeah, just calm down a little.

SPEAKER_00 29:26

So either have built yourself a life where you can have that car waiting, or have built yourself a life where you're not a nasty old cunt and you have somebody that's gonna help you. Like my dad's very wonderful people, but they've got like a simple life. But they have a son who's working his ass off. And when I brought him out for holiday, working your ass off, please. Do you know what this podcast takes to do with you? Yeah, I know, right? I'm gonna have an ass as flat of yours if I work any harder.

SPEAKER_01 29:49

Oh my god, you just got a beautiful ass.

SPEAKER_02 29:52

You do have a nice ass.

SPEAKER_00 29:55

But you know, I have a car waiting for that. Like, I and it tastes like a fresh copper penny. You know that, right?

SPEAKER_02 30:00

It's from the chemo. All right, enough. Anyway, uh, go ahead. You were saying mine? Well, I mean, I can do this. Well, yeah, I was just gonna say, yes, old people, I calm down. And I know now we're gonna get let by the way. You can write us a lot of letters. I'm not gonna read any of them. Don't write comments, I don't read them, I don't care anymore. No, I burn them in the envelope. I literally, that's what Josh does. Josh will just be like, they hate you. They hate you.

SPEAKER_00 30:22

So anyway, but the podcast is going great. Everyone hates you.

SPEAKER_02 30:24

Yes, exactly.

SPEAKER_00 30:25

That's what we want it. That's what we wanted. So anyway, Adam, what's your trigger? And then we're gonna get to Vince. So my trigger warning is it's No, it's not a trigger warning, it's a trigger. It's a trigger, sorry. Well, warning, here comes a trigger. There you go. Um, anyone who disagrees with the fact that and we try not to get political on this podcast, but I have to right now. Anybody who disagrees with the fact that American Democrats are fucking pussies, um, I'm so sorry. We had a beautiful fucking blue wave on a Tuesday, whenever this podcast may come out, it may be months from now. And within 30 hours, the Democrats fucking caved for nothing, gave into the Republicans, this bullshit, Michelle Obama. Oh, and they go low.

SPEAKER_02 31:06

Well, to be fair, she's done rectified that. She's like, okay, that was back, that was then, this is not.

SPEAKER_00 31:10

Yeah, this is not like fight back girl fucking spy. 100%. Millions of people are going to die and lose not millions of people are gonna die, millions of people are gonna lose their health care, and they estimate like 50,000 people per month are gonna have to make the choice between like insulin, chemo, or food.

SPEAKER_02 31:25

I know, but I hate to say it. A lot of those people voted for him. That's what that what made it makes it so hard. I don't want to cheer on people because you're talking about kids. Yeah. You're talking about pets that aren't gonna be, you know, but sometimes you think these fucking hillbillies are but are just like convinced that he's a messiah because they're so fucking racist. And then they're so I but yeah, yeah, you can't.

SPEAKER_00 31:45

My my trigger, my trigger is both the Democrats are pussies and anybody who disagrees.

SPEAKER_02 31:49

All right, there you go. That's a good one. We need six political parties. All right. Well, before the bar gets too full, I want to ask Vincent what triggers you, Vincent?

SPEAKER_01 31:58

Oh, it triggers. Triggers, triggers, triggers. Sounds like Vincent has a notebook. He's a bunch of shit out. Yes. But they're good opinions, that's what I'm saying. Well, not necessarily. They're but uh But you know where you stand. I know where I stand, and I and I'm not afraid to say it. But I my main trigger in regards to the bar. Don't get me into politics. Yeah. No, that's just for me. Because I have a few fuck Trump signs. Yeah. Oh, I love them. They're over the urinals, they're at the front door, like you know where you are though, right? Exactly. But uh people that walk into the bar with an attitude. Um what do you mean like attitude? Like I'm greater than thou. Greater than thou, I'm so pretty, uh, serve me first, um, you know, whatever. Uh you know, we're all human. Yeah. And when you come in with that attitude, I'll probably let you know and I'll chop you down a few a few blocks. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 33:05

And you got like one chance to stay or go, right?

SPEAKER_01 33:07

Yeah, yeah. Um basically, um, I I'm I'm not afraid to tell people to get out of my bar.

SPEAKER_00 33:12

And Daniel knows this because like he had to stay, I think, one of your first times down here with like a group of LA guys. And it's like, they're always the ones posting like, everybody's beautiful, every human's a real person. And then they come in here and act like they are the best of the real people.

SPEAKER_02 33:27

I have to say, that was a tough trip. I won't say who, but it was a bunch of LA gays, and they were like one of them was really insta famous, like very insta famous. You know what I'm talking about, right? Yeah, yeah, I know exactly. And they were just like really uh, they were just odious. Not odious, that's a horrible word. They were just tough. And not every pretty person is like that. I think I remember that. Not every person pretty person is. There are some guilty kids, like for instance, we're we have Jackson here from um Austin, and he will drop trout at the drop of a hat. And that's a pretty person. And it's a pretty person.

SPEAKER_01 34:00

Yeah, it's gorgeous.

SPEAKER_02 34:02

But I get what you're saying. We were talking earlier about the underwear party. Guys will come to the underwear party, and that's particularly on Pines Party weekend, Adam's big weekend on the island, he throws his big party, and they're not usually there. And they come because it's the party to go to besides the and they go, Oh, I'm not getting in my underwear. And I'm like, literally, I will give you money to go home because they have to go on a water taxi. I will give you money to go home. So you don't have to have this. You'll give them their doorback and their boat fare. And I'll buy you a drink and cherries to get the fuck out of my face. Yeah, exactly.

SPEAKER_01 34:29

I love it. I know that uh I deal with it here at the bar. Yeah. You know, like, oh, I'll get dressed in a second. No, get dressed and then I'll serve you a drink. Um a lot of you know, or the or the like don't go to a nudist bar if you don't want to be nude. Right. Um I have pe when I started this, uh I had naked night and two people would get naked and I'd have ten guys sitting here, you know, clothing. And that makes you uncomfortable. And it's like, no, you're you're missing the whole point.

SPEAKER_00 35:00

And so I And do you find that people conflate nudity with sex all the time? Like constantly. I it's such an American thing. That's I mean, no, it's trigger 2.0. Like I hate that like Americans have this idea that when you get naked, you're now in a sex club.

SPEAKER_01 35:13

Yeah, yeah. But it's not just America. It just's it's a mentality. Yeah. Um I love being naked. I like being naked. And that's not to say that sometimes the bar is lots of sex happening. Yeah, of course.

SPEAKER_00 35:28

But but I'm I mean, you sit in a barber shop long enough, you're gonna get a haircut.

SPEAKER_01 35:33

Yeah. You know, it it's it's not the main focus. Sex is not the main focus. And I like the fact that they're different body types. Yeah. Well, everybody's different.

SPEAKER_02 35:42

Yeah, no, I know, but there if this was LA, I mean I don't want to rag on LA, but if it was LA. No, I will. It was it would be there would be a bar and a lot of the guys would be super hot, and then the people that are less traditionally hot might not go because they would feel left out. Or or like be wallflowers or something. But people here are there's like one cunt. I won't mention her, but I see her here. She's been here this whole week. But I'm sitting right here. God, real French stabby on the front. Well, anyway, Vincent, we thank you so much for doing this. It is such a pleasure. Cheers to you. Cheers to you. This is your scale.

SPEAKER_01 36:18

No, I don't drink Tescala, I drink tequila. Oh. So uh you'll choose a ball.

SPEAKER_02 36:24

We recommend to everyone if you come to Zipolite, you have to come to Cheese Mate. And say hi to Vincent for us if you do. Please do. Thank you so much, honey.

SPEAKER_00 36:31

Thank you. Thanks so much. Uh Zip66, the uh Oaxacin American Diner, is now open daily. Exactly. Like and subscribe anywhere you listen to your podcast. Give us a five-star review. And uh Thanks for listening. Thanks for listening. Bye. Or not Trigger Warning, hosted by Dialyn Ardicio and how to meet Hammer Clesh, is a Pride House media production and produced by Josh Rosensweig. Please note the views reflecting this podcast do not represent the views of Red Eye, the Ice Palace, or any of its subsidiaries. And any reference to Scat, Shrimping, Upper Duckers, Skank, Smashbating, Rump Riding, Wolfbagging, Cleveland Steamers, Jigglypuffing, Rusty Trombones, Cosby Sweaters, Mexican Pancakes, and Alabama Hot Pockets are the views of Mr. Ardicio, Mr. Clesh, and his listeners, not the establishment. If you are offended, please seek immediate psychiatric attention.

SPEAKER_02 37:26

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