Building Paradise in Zipolite

Adam and I recorded this one live from Zip 66 — a little sweaty, a little loud, very on‑brand — and finally gave you the Casa Oasis tea. 🌴🔥

Yes, we bought more land.
 Yes, the project got bigger.
 Yes, this is how it always happens with us.

Our architect Hal Hayes joins us to talk about designing in Mexico for the first time — rainy season drama, concrete timelines, cultural “mañana” moments — and why building something sexy in paradise is not for the faint of heart. (Also, when your architect has worked on the TWA Hotel and Moynihan Train Hall… you feel pretty good.)

Then our super sexy Turkish realtor Emeran Barus slides in to tell us all about what we need for one sexy Hamaam 

We talk about safety myths, why Zipolite feels freer than people expect, sustainability, guest vibes, and what makes Casa Oasis more than just another development. It’s intimate. It’s intentional. It’s hot.

And because it’s Trigger Warning, we end with a couple rants — ya gotta hear this one!

Paradise is under construction.
And trust us… it’s going to be worth it.

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Transcript

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Oh my gosh, such a stupid joke. Are we recording yet? We are, we're live on the air.

SPEAKER_06 0:51

Black stockings, white shoes shouldn't be allowed in the church. What a mess. Uh it is uh almost closing time.

SPEAKER_05 1:02

Um, yes. So we are actually at our restaurant in Zipalite, uh, Zip66. Um, and uh tonight is technically kind of everything must go.

SPEAKER_06 1:14

Yeah, it's like uh they used to have this special at these like roadside diners in Michigan called Musko Soup. And you could go in towards the end of the season and have Musk go soup, and it was everything must-go. That's like the Tuobichi platter.

SPEAKER_05 1:27

Do you know what the Tuobichi Platters are? Tonight's gonna be a Tuobichi platter. We're just into our Midwest roots here. Oh, totally. It's such Ohio trash. You'd go into a place and they'd go, Oh, tonight we're having the Tuobici platter. And you would go, The Tuobichi platter? Yeah, it's two of each of everything.

SPEAKER_06 1:42

Like what I do when I walk into a gay bar, I'll have Tua Beach. Exactly. Two of each bartender, two of each busboy, two of each cocoa dancer.

SPEAKER_05 1:50

I have not had uh anything like that happen here. Now it's just two of each employees. Two of each employees. Oh, you I guess that's what we're doing now. That's just what we do now. So we're here live at Zip 66 here in Zipalite. We are uh uh Drinking and Smoking. We're drinking and smoking.

SPEAKER_06 2:05

It's the middle of the afternoon, it's so hot today. The feels like people say it's 104. Uh it's just 90 degrees, though. Really? Yeah, it's only 90 degrees.

SPEAKER_05 2:14

But the feel feels like it's off because we're recording. I was so excited, by the way. If you had a chance, anyone, if you listen to the Jonathan Groff interview, I I have to say it was the pinnacle. It was funny. It's pretty much downhill. Well, they know that. Yeah, totally. Our listener knows that. It was never really uphill. I guess it was never really a hill. It was more like a little tope or a little speed bump. Yeah, reductor. Exactly. Yeah, yeah. No, but we're here. Uh we're doing a little um walkthrough today of our property with uh with our very sweet and sexy um realtor. Um I think we're gonna say our architect. With our sweet and sexy architect, too, who's gonna be on in just a few minutes. He's already ready. He's ready, he's ready, he's ready to read it.

SPEAKER_06 2:55

She's listening, she's in the green room. She's in the green room. She's at all the green MMs. She's doing the pre-interview. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 3:00

I'm just trying to find where the camera is.

SPEAKER_05 3:04

Welcome to a phase for radio. Exactly. Phase for radio. We don't have a camera right now. We're going to do all that outside, and then we'll superimpose our voices over it so it sounds better. Does that make sense? Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 3:16

Got it. It's too hot. It's been a season, though, girl. I mean, we started with a cement tomb and uh a third piece of land that we didn't expect, and you woke me up one morning at like 5 a.m. You're like, I bought more. Yeah, I know, yeah, totally.

SPEAKER_05 3:29

It was a little intense. I shouldn't have done it, but I'm so happy I did. I'm so happy you did too. But we've been having a really good time down here. I've been here for the whole winter. Adam's been here for about 48 hours. He's probably gonna leave by the time this podcast is over. You'll just hear Girl, my taxi's honking outside. You're like the witch. Gotta get back to Berlin in those cartoons where there'll just be hair pins in the air and you're like, phew out of here. What does Stella Ann say I am? I'm a flippity gibbet. Flippity gibbet. Flibbity gibbet from the South America. Exactly. A clown. Anyway, so we're here. Uh we uh we we don't have anyone that we're necessarily uh upcoming. We're about to announce Fire Island, which I'm about to announce to Anthony Rap and uh Anthony Rapp and Adam Pascal. I think you just did. I guess you're right. Not about to say you just did. It's like when those annoying people in nightlife go, Monday, we have an announcement, big announcement, then then wait on Monday. I don't need to, I'm not gonna sit here waiting for Sandcastle to make an announcement, just make it on Monday.

SPEAKER_06 4:22

It's like that Ellen DeGeneres joke when they do the news and they're like, you the thing you eat every day might kill you and is on your dinner plate up at eight o'clock. Exactly.

SPEAKER_05 4:32

Right now, Sandcastle did that. They're like, you know, Monday, we're making a big announcement. Do it on Monday. Yeah, just tell people you're gonna go. It's like GoGo Boys to announce retirement. And I always say I thought they just faded away or went to retirement. Yeah, I always tell them the route of Go Go is go. Just go quietly into the night.

SPEAKER_06 4:49

And then they look at you with this dead look in their eyes and like, the route of But I had sex with you.

SPEAKER_05 4:55

Grammar. Can't remember. Can't remember. Anyway, um, so we're here in Zipolite 66, Zip66 at the restaurant. We're gonna be right back in just a moment because I'm literally starting to sweat. Girl, I gotta mop my face. I know, right, exactly. You gotta beat that mug. All right, we'll be right back.

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All right, we're back here at uh uh Trigger Warning. My name is Danicio. And I'm Adam Clash. We're here with our uh lovely, it's incredibly esteemed architect.

SPEAKER_06 6:20

It's crazy that this motherfucker wanted to work with us.

SPEAKER_05 6:23

He didn't want to.

SPEAKER_00 6:24

I I agree. It was crazy.

SPEAKER_06 6:28

We had to force him to do it. What my favorite part was you showed him the first land survey of the first piece of property that we bought. Which is basically the size of this restaurant or a little bit more. Exactly. And he came up with this beautiful design for like, I think it was like a guest house, basically, is what it's like. A few casitas, a few hotel rooms, and like a little place for me to live. 60 days later, you took a flight down here and you were like, listen, I met with David and his cousins got the, or it was Ernesto at that point actually. Ernesto, yeah. And his cousins got this. Ernesto's father sold me that it's a great property. It's a it's a great price. We're gonna get that. We go back to Hal. Hal's like, okay, cool. So now we can do kind of like this smallish hotel block guest house and like maybe some casitas and whatnot. You fly down again 90 days later, and you're like, here's the deal. I got like a call at 4 a.m. She had bought a farm and uh made a deal for this large piece of property that already had buildings on it.

SPEAKER_05 7:20

They always say cocaine is a terrible drug.

SPEAKER_06 7:24

Cocaine is got cocaine is God's way of telling you you have too much money. You always end up in a stranger's kitchen at like 5 a.m., telling them you're their best friend, you can't wait to hang out again, and let's buy a boat. And you're gonna go back to college. Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 7:39

So, no, what happened was is that Venancio, who the property that we're on right now, uh, he had uh been very adversarial towards us in terms of us building next door, and then he was gonna open a little garage here, like a little like a car thing.

SPEAKER_06 7:53

Like a taxi stand.

SPEAKER_05 7:54

Yeah, a taxi stand there. And then someone came to him and said, You're gonna open like you're gonna have taxi drivers give you like 20 pesos to park here and use the bathroom and stuff like that. When you have someone next door who wants to build something and you're sitting here with this amazing tree, this, that, whatever, and he kind of he came around and then I actually really liked him. We got along great. No, he's a great guy. He's a great guy. I met him once, I'll never forget this day. There was this day where I had to meet him with my translator and with Stella, uh Anna, and Tabasco. And so we drive, he wants to meet under the tree. I was so breaking bad. I don't know if you've seen Breaking Bad, but it has that like fucking hot, everything's in sepia tone, and I'm meeting this like Mexican guy. He pulls up for our eye pull. It's about crystal meth. It's uh exactly the the show's about crystal meth, but this meeting wasn't, thank God. I pull up in my car, he pulls up in a truck, dust is is going up in the air. We'll get you a house. Sorry, this is how we roll. It's a very long intro. Okay, and then we then Stella goes, I'll take the dog. She goes and stands there and she's just standing there petting the dog. It was very like she's just standing there petting the dog watching as he and I are negotiating a price under this tree with the translator. Yeah, and then he goes, Yeah, uh, he says in Spanish to the translator, uh, I want to meet the Daniel. And of course, you know, I got a heart on when I heard that because it's like, you know, yeah, it's it was like I felt really like, oh my, I'm here. I felt very like your skirt blue. Yeah, I was like, Oh god, yeah, they think I'm like a big deal, the Daniel. But I'm sure that's just El Danya, because he had heard, you know, whatever. So anyway, long story short, and then he goes, Oh, you're Daniel. We we hit it off and we get along great. And so it thought that's it. Yeah, I know, right? He was like that the Daniel. Exactly. That it looked like someone popped him with a balloon. So I um anyway, long story short, it took a year basically to pay the property off and uh to get the tree treated and to do all the things that we used to do.

SPEAKER_06 9:45

For the listener, we are not rich people. Well, I should say we're rich in experience, we're not wealthy people. It took some time to pay this off. It did, totally.

SPEAKER_05 9:53

Yeah, totally. I'm working on the show girls budget.

SPEAKER_06 9:56

Um those nipples.

SPEAKER_05 9:57

So anyway, yeah. Let's bring this home. Yeah, we are. We're about to. So we ended up, then I went back to Hal, who's incredibly patient, as evidenced by this podcast, and I said, Hal, we uh we got this property, we have to redesign it again. But I gotta be honest, I could tell Hal's never complained once about the redesigns because I think he really enjoys, and we're gonna talk about that in a second, in literally just 10 seconds, about the challenge of the new property and what we can do with it. So it's been like really thrilling. The whole project has been incredibly thrilling, incredibly challenging. Yeah. And uh so anyway, we want to bring to our uh the microphone. Um, he's Carnegie Mellon educated and educated. He's a professor.

SPEAKER_06 10:39

Uh he worked on the TWA Hotel, TWA. Moynihan Train Hall. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, that's all I got. There's probably tons more. And several, several famous houses on Fire Island. And several famous men on Fire Island.

SPEAKER_05 10:54

Anyway, let's welcome him to the micro.

SPEAKER_04 10:58

It's intro.

SPEAKER_06 11:04

Yeah, during that intro, Daniel bought another piece of property, and we're gonna need a fifth edit to the no, that was a long intro.

SPEAKER_05 11:09

Sorry. That's how we roll here. Poor Jonathan Groff had to listen to us talk about his ass for like five minutes. And then we talked about Parker Posey before we asked him a question.

SPEAKER_06 11:16

I know, but it was fun. It was fun. It was a good interview.

SPEAKER_05 11:19

It was a good interview.

SPEAKER_06 11:20

Let's talk about other people while we're interviewing someone else again.

SPEAKER_05 11:23

Hal, welcome to the microphone. This has been for you. Can you describe to our listeners what this is from the beginning when from your uh you and I have been friends for a long time, but not nearly as close as now.

SPEAKER_00 11:35

Not as close as now. How has it been better back then?

SPEAKER_05 11:41

You might have been closer before. How has this experience been?

SPEAKER_00 11:44

Uh it's been a roller coaster ride.

SPEAKER_05 11:46

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 11:47

Yeah. We started with something that was very manageable, uh something that was pretty simple and straightforward, and it's just gotten bigger and more complex and more exciting and more interesting every with every change, every addition. Totally.

SPEAKER_05 12:02

I blame you. But it hasn't changed in six months.

SPEAKER_00 12:05

That's right. Yeah, we've been pretty much the full property has been assembled. Although there is that one little postage stamp that you still have your eye on.

SPEAKER_05 12:13

Yeah, there's one little piece of property guy wouldn't sell us. He wanted a lot of money for it, and we've been eyeing it. But I actually I kind of love the design now because it creates at that far. If you go to the causaases.com, you can see there's this end piece that's kind of like it creates a little nook back there. There's a moment. You have to work with the shape that you have. Adam is evidenced by that, right? And you sometimes don't get, Adam, the shape that you want. Correct. You get the shape that God gave you. And I think that we created with that this really cool little area back there.

SPEAKER_00 12:48

Yeah, it made it a quite clear division between the front more public place with all of the amenities and different fun things to do, and then a more private place for people who are spending more of the winter here and uh kind of live here.

SPEAKER_06 13:02

Hal and I didn't really know each other like too well. We knew of each other and whatnot. We share the Pines Party in common and whatnot. And I remember when you were like, uh you gotta go over to Hal's, we're gonna meet and we're gonna go over all this other stuff. And I was like, okay, great. And I go in and I was like, we're having a conversation, and Hal's like, Would you like a drink? And of course I said yes, and then and then had five. Just to be polite. Just to be polite. I had the first four. Um, it was the fifth one that put me over. Um, and I remember saying to Al, I was like, you know what? I really like uh the brutalist style. And he goes, Oh, great, and just like slaps out the architecture, oh, it's done. Okay, cool. This isn't really a meeting. This is Al telling me what he's done.

SPEAKER_05 13:39

Well, have you ever worked in Mexico? Uh no. This is my first time. And what do you what are your feelings about just not even simple, but in terms of you've been in Mexico City a little bit here and there. What are your feelings about Mexico now that you've spent time here?

SPEAKER_00 13:52

Oh I'll I love it. I'm I'm actually kind of surprised because even though I live in the summer in Fire Island and practice there, uh I don't think of myself as a beach person. I'm more of a a city person. And Mexico City has been fabulous to explore. And uh but coming down and hanging out at a beach resort wasn't in the cards for me, but I'm amazed at how comfortable I feel here and at home.

SPEAKER_06 14:16

I love that Hal says he's not a beach person, and every time we leave a club at night, this bitch wants to stumble along the beach with me, like hand in hand, like the waves crashing into her fucking pocketbooks. And I was like, not a beach person.

SPEAKER_05 14:30

Yeah, you're more of a beach person than I am, that's for sure. Yeah. She doesn't like sand in her schlitz. Yeah, you know the old saying, Oh, the woman who drinks beer at the beach gets sand in her schlitz.

SPEAKER_06 14:44

I don't know why that gets me every time.

SPEAKER_05 14:46

Because it's so stupid. First of all, schlitz is Ohio beer. Yeah, yeah. What now?

SPEAKER_00 14:51

Estella Anna listens. Oh, she always listens. Oh, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_05 14:54

And I get like a little afterward, she picks out the funniest line to me. Like when I said to Adam, you're you brag about your cock, it's not really 12 inches, but it smells like a foot.

SPEAKER_06 15:05

And he's the only person that talks about my cock. I don't even talk about my cock. No, because it's constantly out. Were were you saying before you could see the track marks?

SPEAKER_05 15:15

You're literally the only person I know who has track marks on his cock from the Trimix.

SPEAKER_06 15:19

I said, it's no, it's from the Ozempic. It's where I carry all my weight.

SPEAKER_05 15:26

Anyway. So how what in terms of Mexico, I'm spending time here, uh, and uh what were your preconceived notions about Mexico and what have you released of them? Because I'll tell you mine. I thought it was gonna be more dangerous, and I've never felt more safe in my life.

SPEAKER_00 15:47

I certainly feel very safe here.

SPEAKER_05 15:49

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 15:50

And we came down uh this last visit. I've been coming down around every two months to um to monitor progress on the projects. And this last time was just after El Mentro was killed, and there was a lot of um activity by the cartels, especially in Jalisco State. And of course, my mother and my sister were don't don't go, don't go. Oh yeah, the phones were exploding.

SPEAKER_04 16:12

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 16:12

But uh the State Department reduced the threat level almost immediately, and and this area of the country was still very safe. There was no problem and nothing going on here. Um but it is something that Americans think about for sure. And once you're here, you just get a completely different sense of what the place is.

SPEAKER_05 16:29

I think it is partially because like when we were raised in, you know, watching movies and whatever, you know, the Mexicans are always like dangerous and like, you know, kind of thugs, and English people are snooty, and the French people are waiters and snooty. And you know, you have these like Germans are cold and calculus, like you have this thing that you see in the world. Well, we're the most like stereotypical racist country on the face of the side. Absolutely. Well, it's all in our cult in our entertainment. You see these things and you think it. Then I'm down here, and you know, I drive down in the arroyo with the car. The car got stuck in sand once, and three guys walking by just moved the car out, helped me move the car. Didn't ask for the car. And then they just wave and take it off. And they just wave and take it take off. Like, and I'm not saying it wouldn't happen in America because Americans are, I think, primarily good people, despite what we're going through right now. I think that they're good people, but I do think that we stand a little bit more on like a moral high ground in America and we think like, you know, are they gay people that we're like whatever? There's like a lot more factored into being nice to people, whereas here they just helped me they didn't care.

SPEAKER_00 17:28

Certainly, everybody that we've been working with down here is very warm and sincere and very genuine. And uh everybody begins with um, Hello Hal, my friend. Yeah, it's really makes you feel at home.

SPEAKER_06 17:39

It's a very warm culture. That's what I love.

SPEAKER_05 17:41

I mean, it's really warm. And I also get completely uh, you know, sometimes I get a little bit uprated because like I'll write David in the morning, like, hey amigo, where are the guys that are gonna work? And he goes, Buenos días, amigo, excellent día. Like, you know, hey, I have a great day. I love your day. And then I'm like going, fuck.

SPEAKER_06 17:56

I didn't even like wish him a good day. I still do that all the time. Every time I'm like, hey Luis, I'm gonna be landing at 12 30. Could you please send me a car? Like, polite, you know, like here's my flight number, I'm gonna be landing at 12 30. Could you please send me a carbohydrate? And he's like, Buenos días, amigo. Sure, no problem. I'm like, son of a bitch. I need to. That's a New Yorker coming out of us, though. New Yorkers just like cut to the chase, you know. But I think it's a beautiful part of the culture that's a great, you know. Uh I think it was Hemingway Hemingway that said the best thing about being um an expat, which is also uh a questionable word, but best thing about being an expat is you can bring all the great things from your culture that you want to another place, and you can leave the things behind that you don't like, and you can adopt all the new things from the culture you've entered, you know. And I think that starting out a message, if it's the first time you're speaking to someone being like, Hey, good day, how are you? And then what you need in one. I think that's a beautiful thing to adopt.

SPEAKER_05 18:49

You know, well, the thing that here that's I've it's been really hard for me is the manana. And everything is manana. Everything's tomorrow. So I literally found this app with some gay dudes having breakfast over at this really cute hotel, which is in Puerto Tango, with this incredible hotel. X-E-X-N-O, I think. Am I right? Yeah. Xeno. And Xeno. Incredible place by this super hot straight guy named uh Danny Sherman, I think. Yeah, I call him the Sherman tank. The entourage guy. Yeah, he's really hot. He looks like Jeremy Piven. He gives me that Jeremy Piven. Like, you know me, I love me a little straighty douchebag. You know, like he's not a douchebag. That's why I love you. But it could be. Yeah, because I'm a straight douche bag. You're a little straighty douche. So, anyway, long story short, too late for that. He um now I forgot because even I go off on these tangents. Welcome, welcome to Joshua Fix It in Post Podcast. I'm at brunch there, which is incredible, by the way, at the breakfast sandwich with these two gay guys, and they said, You gotta get this new app if you like AI, and it creates a song, and it will create a song. Like you just put in the lyrics. So I went into ChatGPT and said, Write a song about David who works at Alchemista, who always says mañana, amigo, and the song's gonna be called No Manana Oi. So, no mañana now. Today. Today. Aura is now. So it wrote this beautiful love ballad, which I can't, I guess I could play on here because uh technically I'm gonna do it. Do your best, Linda Ronste. Uh no, I'm gonna actually, I have it. Um I sent it to David, and David's like, no, no, no, no, Miko, it's a love song. You're not gonna play me a love song. And I was like, Oh, sorry, I didn't know that. Because I'm gonna work on this app because it's so fun. We could create songs for here or whatever. So anyway, the point of it is I don't like the fact that everything is tomorrow here. Everyone that comes, you're working, the girls are supposed to be here, they might not show up until tomorrow. So that's a tricky part, but anyway. Uh tell tell us how what is the most exciting part of working at the Casa Oasis project. Besides being with me and Adam.

SPEAKER_00 20:45

That is definitely the most exciting. Um I've I've actually loved working with the um with the different contractors and uh and consultants that we've been working with here. Um the couple of days that we spent with the arborists um looking at all of the vegetation that was on the site and what conditions they were in and the specialness of the one um endangered tree in the north, which really looked like it was a death's door. And uh they have treated them all and they're bottom all the day looking fabulous. So it's really landscape and and hearing it through their eyes was really a lot of fun. And they had something to contribute to the other project too. Um so that's great. Um the contractor that we're working with now um wanted to take them up to a really fabulous um piece of architecture in Puerto Escondido, Casababi by Tadaoando Pritzker Prize. We should go up to the right. And the contractor who could not he was the foreman, not the owner. Um he understands English but doesn't speak it comfortably. He's not comfortable speaking. So we're mostly using Google Translate. And much like Right. Not like you're German. Whoa. But uh he not only did he know Casa Wabi, but he began to talk about Tadalando. And so I thought these are definitely the right things.

SPEAKER_05 22:16

Then Hell got erect. Well, you know, my favorite hotel that I've ever been to. Architecturally. Yes. My favorite hotel that I've ever been to is in Puerto Escondido, which is Tereste. I think you and I stayed there one night, you and I stayed the other night. This is a magical hotel. Yeah. And it's I just love it so much. Other than the fact that it's no air conditioning because they want to keep it like really off the grid.

SPEAKER_06 22:34

It's where we called Hell and we were like, we need a hamam.

SPEAKER_05 22:37

Yeah, it was incredible. There's a the hamam is great. Although our realtor, it turns out, is Turkish and want now wants to inform the hamam in terms of like what we do with it. So I'm all for it. I'm fine. As long as he hangs out there naked, I don't care and remain teachable.

SPEAKER_06 22:52

Take it off. He's in our studio audience today. Actually, he is our studio. Exactly. You know what I want to know that I don't actually know is I kind of want like Hell's origin story. I know it's boring to ask our guests that sometimes. No, I love hearing that actually. I want to hear how Hal Hayes became Hel Hayes from like why'd you get into architecture or why'd you go to Carnegie Mellon, you know.

SPEAKER_00 23:14

Well, I always wanted to be an architect from when I was a little boy.

SPEAKER_06 23:17

Oh, really? And uh rector sets.

SPEAKER_00 23:21

A lot of Legos and um yeah, uh playing in Muddy Creeks at the backyard and things like that. That was a lot of fun. Um and uh I ended up at Carnegie Mellon because I knew I wanted to be an architect and it had to be a school that was accredited.

SPEAKER_06 23:37

Uh where's the Muddy Creek, by the way? Where are you from?

SPEAKER_00 23:39

Uh originally from Pittsburgh. Okay. And my mom's family was all still there, but we had moved to Southern California. And uh I always thought that the family life at home, my mother's side of the family is all Italian, and everybody was at grandma's house every Sunday, and I wanted to go back to that. So um Carnegie Mullen was the only school accredited for architecture in Pittsburgh. It's the only place I applied. And oh, look at her, one and done. And uh just loved it. And as soon as I was finished and graduated, I moved immediately to New York. Okay, and um spent most of my professional career there. Uh first at SOM, Skinmarrow and Samarrell, and then uh onto HOK in London and back in uh New York after showing. Did you move to London? Yes, I was there first.

SPEAKER_05 24:25

By the way, Hal lives in the apartment I want to die in. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 24:29

I'm gonna die in it too, and it's already been almost 40 years.

SPEAKER_06 24:34

I love that apartment. I can't spend 40 minutes in one place. No, totally.

SPEAKER_05 24:38

We're fine with that. I I love I love Hal's apartment. It is a it's Annie Hall.

SPEAKER_06 24:45

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 24:45

It's very Annie Hall. Yeah, it's right in the middle of the West Village. It's like the view from the kitchen. You're right by Moriandi. The view from every window in that apartment. Every window, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 24:56

Yeah. Yeah, it's nice as an outside corner. So and on the crooked streets, Charles and Waverley. So that's really nothing straight about you, Al Hay. But yeah, while I was um while I was working at these big firms, I also was doing a little moonlighting, and that's basically my fire islands.

SPEAKER_06 25:14

Like a strip tea?

SPEAKER_00 25:14

Yeah, the fire island jobs that I had. So starting with a few houses, um, and then uh a little bit bigger things, the co-ops and the pines and uh the island breeze restaurant.

SPEAKER_05 25:25

Were you working on the co-ops and the pines? Yeah, I love them.

SPEAKER_00 25:28

Yeah, they're pretty great. I love them.

SPEAKER_05 25:29

I actually should have bought one years ago, that would have been the thing. Yeah, uh maintenance is really expensive.

SPEAKER_00 25:34

Maintenance is is high because you know it's something at the beach, and the first building that was on the ocean had to be rebuilt. Uh so that was all embedded in it. But it's it's effortless. You kind of go in, if you ever have any maintenance issue, you just call up and they take care of it.

SPEAKER_06 25:50

Affordable.

SPEAKER_00 25:51

They're still affordable. Uh relatively, yeah. I think so.

SPEAKER_06 25:53

I mean for Fire Island Pines. Yeah, yeah. I've done a couple of meet and greets in the co-ops. Yeah, I had a couple too. Yeah, yeah. They're nice. Meet and greets are what we call having sex. Uh yeah. Your backroom moments are meet and greets. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 26:06

Yeah. So um uh after uh doing this for quite a while, my moonlighting jobs just kind of expanded to the point where I could no longer maintain a full-time job and do these projects. So I uh took a year off. I was being recruited very heavily by my former colleagues at SOM, and I thought I would go back there after the year, but never managed to do so.

SPEAKER_06 26:28

Like when did you take a year off? Like an e-pre-love sort of thing? Like you're just like, let me center myself.

SPEAKER_00 26:32

It's just gonna be, you know, do my own thing for a year and work on a couple of big projects, one of which was the restaurant in Cherry Grove.

SPEAKER_05 26:39

So of the projects you've worked on, and you there have been quite a few in the Pines in the Grove, which ones are the ones where you're like, that one I'm so proud of, and that one I wish I had another crack at. And I don't mean that like I did I made a mistake, but the owners wouldn't let me do what I wanted, or they you know they switched after, you know what I mean? Yeah, they ran out of money.

SPEAKER_06 27:02

Can I take a guess? Like, yeah, go ahead. Is it the the triangle house?

SPEAKER_00 27:06

The pyramid house.

SPEAKER_06 27:07

The pyramid house.

SPEAKER_00 27:08

Is that uh is that the one Ward lives in? Uh no, this is it was uh Paul Rudnick's house. Oh, the one way down by you. Yeah, down by me. No, I I quite love that one. Okay. That's uh that's a lot of fun. Um it may be on the AIA's tour of Fire Island this summer. Nice. Um and I can I can't say there's one in the pines or the grove that you know I'm not happy with. I'm I'm happy with them all. Um one or two were really modest and we had to make some compromises, but the work still had integrity. The clients are very happy there, and so it's great.

SPEAKER_05 27:42

What's the one though that you would say if I had to say you're coming out to the island, you want to see one house or one restaurant or building that you did, that you did, and it was you can only show them one to show your work. Which one's the one you're most proud of? I'm sorry to put you on the spot.

SPEAKER_00 27:59

That's how we'd have to say um 450 ocean, and the advantage of that is that I I can see it from my house, so it's there all the time.

SPEAKER_05 28:07

And uh that's the Paul Rudnick one.

SPEAKER_00 28:09

No, that was for um uh David Sloan and Steve Noring.

SPEAKER_06 28:13

Is that the one that's got the sexy place in the attic? Well, that was the old owner of um the Saint, right?

SPEAKER_00 28:19

Bruce Miller. No, no, that's uh that's on the other corner.

SPEAKER_05 28:22

But you did that one as well? No, no. Oh, yeah. And our listeners, by the way, Fire Island uh listener, obviously, or listening. Uh Fire Island is like itself. Exactly. Ourself, exactly. It's a wonderland, of course, but architecturally, if you spent time delving into Horse Gifford house. Howard Skifford, exactly. Geller, you know, there's like all these different, you know, Hal Hayes, uh Bromley, there's like all these different architects and what they do, but it's just it's one of those things that you walk through the it's easy to walk around and go, oh, there's the you know, the pavilion, this or whatever. And but when you go into people's houses, you're like Some of those homes are incredible. When I went into Ward Our Box House last summer, I was I've been invited a bunch of times, but it's far down and I'm often working. I walked in, I walked up to the house and I was stunned. Yeah. And it's there's beauty all over the island, the nature, the boys, you know, the performances that that, whatever. But then when you see the architecture, you go, God, are we lucky?

SPEAKER_00 29:18

Yeah, it's a it's a real design district, and there's a lot of uh a lot of character. There's a lot of uh buildings from a similar period in the same context, and yet different architects working in different vocabularies. Uh but it's all also really constrained, which is one of the things I love working about there. It's going to be wood structure. There's minimal use of steel. You can't get any big construction. Does it have to be wood structure? It does not have to be. It's just that's the same.

SPEAKER_06 29:42

So could you do like a cement brutalist home out there?

SPEAKER_00 29:45

It would probably sink into the ground.

SPEAKER_06 29:47

Just because of the weight on a sandbar, right?

SPEAKER_00 29:50

And there are ways to deal with that, but it's impractical because you can't get a cement truck out there. Right. Or if you do, it would have to come over on the ferry. Stay on the ferry. We did at the ice palace.

SPEAKER_06 30:00

We did?

SPEAKER_00 30:01

Oh, yeah.

SPEAKER_06 30:01

We brought three cement trucks out to redo our.

SPEAKER_05 30:03

It's true, but they put the cement had to be carried over. It became a huge thing. Um, that's what's happening here, though, in Sibelite, is if you've noticed. It's like it started in Puerto Escondido, maybe in Huatolco, I'm not really sure. But in Puerto Escondido, there's all of these are if you look at a dwell or disease, you start to notice that Puerto Escondido is mentioned a lot in terms of architecture. Mazunte, one of my favorite little towns, and we need to go there. We can go tomorrow if you want. But Mazunte is one of my favorite towns. I don't think it's an architecturally designed town. I think it's just kept its integrity in terms of like what Zipalite, you feel it coming over now, you know, with the flamingo, which is being built over here and some stuff that's being built um further down by Playa del More. I love that feeling. Definitely makes you feel a little bit like the great gentrifier. But at the same token, I love that we're we're we're taking where you're watching it move down the coast, this sort of interesting architecture.

SPEAKER_00 31:05

Are by Mexican architects, and you know, Todal Endo is an international architect, but um, you know, that's more the exception than the rule. I think most of it is homegrown. Yes, there's a lot of vernacular architecture and just simple homemade craftsman things which are beautiful and wonderful and give the places their character. Uh but when these uh different projects come up, they they tend to add. If you have good architects, they they add to the vernacular architect.

SPEAKER_05 31:33

So why do you think though that there's uh what I'm feeling anyway when I'm watching what's coming over from Puerto Escondido, there seems to be like almost a Zen Buddhist uh mentality or feeling to these buildings. Casas uh Casa Wabi?

SPEAKER_00 31:45

Casa Wabi, yeah.

SPEAKER_05 31:46

Tereste, Cosona Saborza. If you look at them, I mean I lived in a monastery when I was in my early uh well, 1920. Uh and it it was in northern California, so it was wood, but it had that feeling. And when you're there, it's the austerity of it, it's the calm of it. They know they don't play music any of the places. It's very meditative. Do you think it's the climate? What do you think that's happening? I'm I'm just noticing the hotels that are being built there are all very they look like Zen. You know what I mean? Do you get where I'm going with this?

SPEAKER_00 32:21

It's a very the the climate and the environment is very congenial. So you can live it's possible to live very lightly on the land. Right. Now some of these design hotels, of course, are um extremely luxe and very expensive. And uh you know, whether the construction is sustainable, you know, we use a lot of concrete here in Mexico, and it's uh not the most sustainable material that you can use. It is a very plastic material, gives you a lot of design options, which is very exciting for me to work on. Um, you mentioned the TWA hotel uh and the TWA terminal um restoration, which was my own. I love that fucking hallway.

SPEAKER_06 33:02

It's incredible. I love that Terminal 5 hallway where you just walk down this slightly sloped red carpet ovular tube. It's uh there's just something so uh transportative. Is that a word?

SPEAKER_00 33:16

There's it transports you like you walk out of hustling bustling JFK and it's a fucking nightmare, and then you're just like, oh just the plastic quality that concrete can give you and these expressive forms is really really exciting to have the opportunity to work with here.

SPEAKER_05 33:33

Well, um what when when do you do you anticipate like if we started in May here because we want to pour stuff before summer hits? When do you I mean I don't want to put you on the spot because of course you're reliant on us. Yeah. Because it's easy for me to say when is it gonna be finished? But of course you're like, well, when are you gonna have the money?

SPEAKER_06 33:54

Um so uh but let me add context to that. And it'll be uh a contract of the structural is done, a lot of the legwork is done. It's literally like boots on the ground, and we've been told there's gonna be like a team of 45, you know? So if you if you have that in the mathematical equation, and this is we're not gonna hold you to this.

SPEAKER_00 34:11

It can both be um surprisingly fast how the work progresses and disappointingly slow sometimes, and it's in fits and starts a lot of times too. Uh you mentioned May. Uh we're going to be hitting the rainy season here. In June. And once we hit the rainy season, then you know, for all intents and purposes, pouring of concrete needs to stop. Right, right. And unless that structure is like enclosed, and that's that's a very loose term here because things are not really enclosed. I mean, you might have a little bit of AC and sleeping spaces, but most of the time it's pretty comfortable uh without that. So a lot of open air living, which is kind of the ideal of Southern California.

SPEAKER_06 34:54

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 34:55

Um, which of course is really part of my own.

SPEAKER_06 34:57

I mean, I was shocked to find out that cement down here cures in like 28 days, like when you're doing large structures. Why does it take longer in the States? Oh God, yeah, yeah. Really? It does? I don't know. I mean, if you're dealing in a place like New York that has to deal with all this humidity and, you know, the wind and stuff like that, you're not getting 85 degrees for a stretch of 180 days. You know, so it's totally true. And then there's some climates, you know, Al, correct me if I'm wrong, but there's some climates like when I've done concrete, like you have to continuously wet it because it's too fucking hot and there's not enough moisture in the air, and you're just you're dealing with this, albeit a wonderful plastic material that you can kind of do anything you want with. Um, it does have to be treated in a certain way. It's like baking, you know.

SPEAKER_00 35:39

And we we use the term plastic in this context, it just means that it's very malleable. It can be basically formed in any shape that you want, as opposed to wood or even steel. Steel has some plastic qualities, but it's mostly more orthogonal.

SPEAKER_06 35:54

Circles are expensive.

SPEAKER_05 35:55

We're actually going to talk in a couple moments with our uh uh realtor M who is um extoling the virtues of steel. Yeah. Um But I want to ask I want to ask Hal because I know because I'm fascinated by the difference between the two.

SPEAKER_06 36:07

Yeah, Hal's Hal's working with one of our uh business partners, and I'm not sure the the depth of it at all. But he's going into a a famous house in the pines known as Reflections and whatnot, and you're redoing some things. I don't know how deep the work's going, but what is it like for a well-known and talented architect like yourself to walk into an architecturally respected space and how do you be asked to do things? Yeah, how do you or do you just go let's fuck it, it's me.

SPEAKER_00 36:35

So um as far as reflections is concerned, yes, there that is a component of it. Um it certainly is significant house, but it's not really an architectural treasure like some of the houses in the pines. Well, I stand corrected. It's well known. There's been a lot of events that happened there, but that's what really makes it fabulous.

SPEAKER_06 36:55

So really makes it fabulous. So it's more story, it's more storied than it is like.

SPEAKER_00 37:00

It has it has some design integrity. Um actually the original architect is the same as the original architect for my house, which I have got renovated beyond recognition. But uh but it's something that I'm quite familiar with and ready to work on. But the house right next door, which was the first house I did, 73 Bay Walk. Oh, really? Uh, which was originally a Horace Gifford house for um Alberto Don Ghia, the um fabric and furniture designer, uh purchased by Ron Chareskin, the fashion designer, and his husband, Howard Golfarb. And uh that was the first project I did. And history listener that was really architecturally significant. And they were they didn't really have any real idea of what they uh wanted to do. They would have been happy if we decided to tear it down. Um but we did we did preserve it, although in the Pines Modern site, it does list it as a lost modern and as something that was significant, oh not significant, sensitively added to by Hal Hayes.

SPEAKER_05 38:07

Wow, wow. What a footnote. Yeah, I didn't see it before, but I remember seeing it and they had told me about the work on it. And I guess there was a second level. I can't remember Ad Dinner there a couple times. Yeah, it's a great house, though. No, I can't imagine you going in and like bulldozing.

SPEAKER_00 38:23

And the pyramid house, too, the one that you mentioned uh with 443 sale. Um a significant architect and also really an iconic. That's one that has like the three triangles, right? I'm thinking of the right house. Those are the three little pyramids, are what I added to it and stripped the east wall that faces towards sunrise and the dunes and the bay and the ocean. Beautification by Hal Hayes. It'd be fun to be a good one.

SPEAKER_05 38:47

Sometimes architects from Fire Island about Fire Island Artists.

SPEAKER_06 38:50

You should do a Hal Hayes tour. Why don't you do a Hal Hayes tour on Fire Island?

SPEAKER_00 38:53

Uh the Arts Project did that um one time.

SPEAKER_06 38:56

And our listeners showed up. That's why they did it one time, right?

SPEAKER_00 39:00

It actually sold out. So that was a lot of fun.

SPEAKER_06 39:03

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_05 39:04

Well, it's been so much fun having you on the show, Hal. And having you in Mexico. You've been here now four or five times.

SPEAKER_00 39:10

Uh yeah.

SPEAKER_05 39:11

Yeah. We love Hal. And we love how. And she comes to Cheese May with us. Hal, yeah, no stone left unturned. No. That one loves how to have fun at Cheese May. I'm not saying like, you know, like you have fun at PlayStation. Like you have fun at Cheese May. Gotta whip out this hog. Yeah, this hog. You mean that little piglet? Gotta introduce it to Pooh. Sudden dick. Anyway, Hal, we love you. We're so excited to have this project, you know, to break ground. Well, we broke ground once when we had the first property back there. I guess it was breaking ground or then we broke the bank. Then we broke the bank. No, then we bought this property and broke the bank exactly. So I'm really excited now. I had them clean back there. You saw it, it looks really good with the walls.

SPEAKER_00 39:52

I gave a tour to some um friends and prospective buyers.

SPEAKER_06 39:56

And they were really impressed. Dealing with it for so much that we're no longer impressed by it. Not that I'm not impressed by it. I still think, wow, this project. But it sometimes it gets hard to see the force through the trees because you just walk it so many times.

SPEAKER_05 40:08

The size of it is what really blows me away now when I walk around it. Big bitch. Just a big piece of property, yeah, totally. And it's also, I love the location now. The location at uh at first I thought it was a bit of a hindrance because we're not, we're five minutes from the beach, right? But now that I've driven the arroyo and walked the arroyo and I'm here, I kind of love where we are. It's kind of cool. It's a nook. We're on the street, but we're off the street. Anyway, thank you so much, Halloween. Thanks, Hal. We leave it.

SPEAKER_06 40:37

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SPEAKER_05 40:42

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SPEAKER_06 41:05

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SPEAKER_05 41:14

All right, we're back here at Trigger Warning. My name is Daniel Nardiccio, the only host you really need to worry about. Um, we are here talking with our realtor, uh, who's going to be working with us at Zip Zip66 and uh Caso Aces and our entire project here. Um we have never really actually spoken to him before, other than a few emails and him sending me nudes, which I ask him repeatedly not to send. Yeah. Um it's getting awkward. Yeah, it's getting really awkward for a second. This guy is so cute. He's Turkish. He is. Does that mean uncut or cut? I don't know. Uncut. Uncut. Oh, the hell's in the studio, but I'm gonna see the oh wow, this is gonna get real interesting. Oh, yeah, there you go. Uh uncut, really. Anyway. What time was that? Oh, that was the so what um so anyway, let's bring the microphone. He uh just sold out a property here in Zipolite called uh Casa Flamingo. Casa Flamingo. I think this is the applause. Nope. He just sold out a property here in Zippelite called Casa Flamingo. We're very excited about that, which means that he doesn't have anything else to do except us. Yeah, which is really exciting. So um tell us a little bit. Um Em is your name for short. What is it? Emerson. Emerson. Emerson, what's your last name?

SPEAKER_03 42:43

Barut.

SPEAKER_05 42:44

Emerson Barut. Okay, great. I call him Auntie M. Antie M? Yeah. You know, M and Anti M from the Wizard of Oz. You know what? Don't look at me like that. It's the last film you saw. That's the last film I saw, exactly. Anyway, M, uh, let's talk a little bit. Uh so uh why Zipolite, if you're a straight guy, that's uncut.

SPEAKER_03 43:06

No, I am cut. But you're cut. I am cut, sorry. Yeah, yeah. All right. Well I'll get to the bottom. I'm gonna get to the bottom of this later.

SPEAKER_06 43:11

Yeah, so will he.

SPEAKER_03 43:15

Well, I I just came here because I was invited. That's about it. I didn't know about Zipolite. I didn't know it was a gay town. I didn't know anything about it. Yeah. I just got in my truck and I showed up here because I was invited by the developer of Cas Flamingo.

SPEAKER_06 43:27

Um, god damn, there's a lot of really good looking rich guys around here. Totally, a lot of good looking rich.

SPEAKER_03 43:33

That's about it. I mean, that's the only reason I'm here. And you like it? Yeah, I love it.

SPEAKER_05 43:37

What's your favorite town on the Oaxaca coast? Zipolite. Really? Yeah, yeah. Yeah, why is that?

SPEAKER_03 43:42

I mean, it's beautiful, I think. Yeah. I mean, like, even though I'm not gay, I'm not a nudist, it's beautiful.

SPEAKER_05 43:48

You don't get naked on the beach? No. Yeah. You tried it once and never again. You tried it once.

SPEAKER_03 43:52

It was nighttime, there's no lights, and I was with a girl. That's it. So why never again? It's just not for me. I can't do it. You don't like to be exposed.

SPEAKER_06 44:01

No. Do you have sex with the lights off?

SPEAKER_03 44:03

Uh on and off. That's fine. You just go up and flip the switch on and off and on and off.

SPEAKER_05 44:09

It's lightning. She's on top lights on. She's on the bottom lights off. Oh god. Why do you like ziplite, though?

SPEAKER_03 44:20

I think the sunsets.

SPEAKER_05 44:21

Oh, sunsets are great here. They're fucking magical.

SPEAKER_03 44:24

I don't know. Like I live in Huatuko and it's nothing like this.

SPEAKER_05 44:26

No. But also, um Zakajiwite, is that what they call it? Estekowite. Estekawite. That sunset is beautiful too. You can't really see it, but the water, the way it's I'm in love with that town. It's a beautiful bay. We went yesterday and that was so beautiful. Magical. Magical place.

SPEAKER_03 44:42

You gotta go for a sunrise. Oh, really? It's like straight ahead of you. Really? Yeah, yeah. It's beautiful.

SPEAKER_05 44:47

I might do that, actually, because it's incredible. Like I said, that hotel Xeno. Xeno is really great. I mean, I'm still up at that point.

SPEAKER_06 44:53

You're just getting up.

SPEAKER_05 44:54

Yeah, exactly. It's a perfect meeting. Yeah, exactly. I'll see you there tomorrow morning.

SPEAKER_06 44:58

Yeah. I'll stumble out of wherever the hell I am. Exactly. Or whatever hell I'm in, I'll stumble out of there.

SPEAKER_05 45:04

There you go. So um tell us a little bit about why you decided to work with Caso Aces other than the abundant the buttloads of cash that you're gonna be making on this project. Because you've talked us into so many things we didn't want to do. Like I was not gonna sell, we were not gonna sell all the casitas.

SPEAKER_06 45:19

We weren't, and now we are, and now we are because of him. Oh yeah, we gotta bring Hal back on because there's actually another edit to the design. We're building a a sky house over the um atrium hotels. Fuck no. I guess that we're not. Well, I guess we don't live here anymore.

SPEAKER_05 45:36

Great. Okay, great. So um uh so what is it about Castro Oasis?

SPEAKER_03 45:42

Well, I think first of all, for me, it's a bit I think business can be personal. I think I like working with you guys. I think that's the that's the biggest point for me. Oh yeah. So you're not too bright. Just wait until it changes three times.

SPEAKER_05 45:53

Yeah, wait till we keep changing, yeah, exactly.

SPEAKER_03 45:56

Uh and I feel like the amenities, I think that's a big point in the project. Yeah. Um just having access to all of that. You don't really have to leave other than to go shopping.

SPEAKER_05 46:06

Right, exactly.

SPEAKER_06 46:07

And even that we're gonna eventually have a grocery store. Yeah, there we go. Exactly. But you wanna you want to give us tips on the hamam. What's uh what are your tips?

SPEAKER_03 46:15

It's gotta be like a big hairy man just laying me down on the stone. You're hired. Really hairier and bigger than me. Okay. And they just beat you? Well, they just like scrub you down well and your skin just turns red.

SPEAKER_06 46:28

Is that like oak leaves? Is that the is that?

SPEAKER_03 46:30

No, that's Russian. That's Russian. Okay.

SPEAKER_05 46:32

That's like the Russian baths in on 10th Street, which I love. But it's called the Russian Turkish Baths, isn't it? It is, but I only go on Boris's because you know it's two guys and they fight, so you could go one week or the other, depending on which brother, which is a big thing. Yeah, one week is like Boris and it's very New York. It's not Malik, but it's very. Hey, she's got mad. Yeah, totally. So when I won, I bought like a 20 pass, and you could only go the time. I only go the Russian times. You bought Boris this time. Yeah. Yeah. I just didn't even realize it until I went and they're like, no, this is um whatever. Yeah. It's very New York though to have warring people owning a business. It's like Provincetown, where Jonathan Hawkins, who owns the um Counton Anchor, he and his partner. Right, no, but they have a uh they have a what's it called, a restraining order. So when once on the property, can you imagine if we had a restraining order? I wish we did.

SPEAKER_06 47:30

I wish we did. Yeah, totally. It'd be so much healthier if we did. Anyway, back to M. If you couldn't come within a hundred feet of me, it'd be so much easier. He's so handsy. We could do the podcast where you just sit out at the back by the anywho, what are your uh give me so a big Turkish man? What are the next two?

SPEAKER_03 47:49

Uh you gotta have like a really hot marble stone in the middle to lay down on. Oh, yeah. Some fountains, like steam, hot water.

SPEAKER_05 47:57

Um you're just using up our water.

SPEAKER_03 47:59

Yeah, and that's about it. I mean, it's nothing else to it. It's just a really hot, steamy room.

SPEAKER_05 48:04

So we are putting the Turkish Imam right next to our well, which turns out is a sweet water well, which is great. And it's also supposedly very good water because it's coming from the mountains. So we're really excited about that because um we can basically, when you go to the Turkish Imam, it's gonna be very clean, sweet, great water that we're using. Yeah. Um, which is also near the pool, so we'll be using the pool for the water for that. What I'm excited about for the project, I'm just gonna say, since we're this is kind of an advertorial, as they say, uh, for a Caso Aces is Who's they? They, as they say. Well, you know, that's what when you go when you look at something and you're like, you know, it you really for no, no, you read and you're like, this is an advertisement for a skin cream, and you realize it is. This is an advertorial about the project. What I love about the project is the sustainability factor. Yeah, yeah. The fact that water is such a premium in the world, and we live in a place where it rains five months and we're collecting the water. We have a well. We have two wells actually on the property. We have um water sustainability. We're also attached to the sit like the city water, but you know, so the Tanaka's on the left.

SPEAKER_06 49:11

Every casita has its own uh wastewater chamber as well as its own um uh collection cistern under the home.

SPEAKER_00 49:18

Totally.

SPEAKER_05 49:18

And solar PV with battery backup, yeah, and the solar, it's a big deal. And uh and we're also doing composting here at the restaurant. We started doing composting, which has been my kooky little project that I'm in love with. She was freezing her trash. I was freezing her trash at the house that I rented until the compost was. Oh, we were building the composting. Well, because you have so much food that you can compost, and I thought, well, I'll just throw it in a bag and put in the freezer. And then it got to the point where you're like, someone could look at it and think, oh my god, he killed an animal, because it was like this big bag of like a mass, and it looked like I just took a rabbit.

SPEAKER_06 49:50

She had like a Jeffrey Dahmer freezer.

SPEAKER_05 49:51

Yeah, it had like a very Dahmer moment. But anyway, um So uh when we open, you're gonna come and hang out naked?

SPEAKER_06 50:00

Um When the lights are off.

SPEAKER_03 50:02

When the lights are off, yeah. I'll be naked too.

SPEAKER_06 50:04

Okay. When there's a girl next to him and the sun's down and the lights are off.

SPEAKER_05 50:07

How do you feel about this? Um I want to ask you a question. How do you feel about this? So we're sitting here, we got this property, we have some issues because you know we want to make it we wanna we are gay men. You might not have known this, but we are.

SPEAKER_04 50:19

Oh yeah?

SPEAKER_05 50:20

We cater to gay men. We are trying to figure out how to balance that like men, female, trans, lesbian situation, and we're trying to do it sensitively, but we also have to realize that we want to cater to our community. Gay men want to feel safe. Now, gay men obviously being white, not all white, obviously, here, but you know, primarily upperly mobile, affluent gay guys that might be coming and staying at this property, they're not necessarily unsafe.

SPEAKER_04 50:48

Right.

SPEAKER_05 50:49

But we also know that when you mix the sexes, that it becomes more complicated. Am I right?

SPEAKER_03 50:55

I think so. And I'm kind of new to this stuff as well. Yeah, but I mean there's that other hotel here, Men. Right. The Men Hotel. And I think they haven't had issues with it.

SPEAKER_05 51:04

They haven't had issues. You know, and when they were about to open, I heard that they were gonna have issues. A friend was saying, oh, they're gonna get in trouble because we were gonna be talking. But I'm going there tomorrow night, men sibilite. The owners are so nice to French. I mean the food is incredible. I can't wait to go. Uh but you've not heard any problems?

SPEAKER_03 51:19

No, I haven't heard of any problems. And I think, like you said, I think you had the idea of um having like a certain time of the day where everyone's welcome and then after eight, yeah.

SPEAKER_05 51:31

Like the witching hour. Because everyone's gonna leave anyway to go to uh Playa the Moor, which is where everyone goes to watch the sunset and get naked and you know run around. Do their business. We're gonna take a break. We'll be right back. We'll be right back. Oh my god, this is a mess. And we're back with M from uh what is it, Marego, Mareg, Mariego? What's your company called? Mareheo. Mareo, god easy for people to find. It couldn't just be Zipelite housing or something, you know. Um, it had to be difficult to find. It had to do with my roots, you know. Oh yeah? Yeah, yeah. What's your roots?

SPEAKER_03 52:08

From the A G and C. Oh yeah? Yeah, like on the west coast of Turkey. Oh, yeah. It's just the Spanish word for it. That's it. Oh, okay.

SPEAKER_05 52:14

Well, you can check it us uh us out there if you go to the Casa Oasis.com or myarheo.net Casa Oasis.

SPEAKER_03 52:23

You gotta spell M-A-R-E-G-E-O. Okay.

SPEAKER_05 52:27

And then they can see Casa Oasis when they go there because we're on the home page. Um last question. How many casitas are sold, and how many do you think are gonna sell before I leave here on April 8th? Don't answer that.

SPEAKER_03 52:43

That can be a tricky question, I think.

SPEAKER_05 52:44

I know, totally.

SPEAKER_03 52:45

I think we'll get a sale or two though. I think we will, yeah. I think we're doing it.

SPEAKER_05 52:49

Yeah, really.

SPEAKER_03 52:50

Yeah, they're interested for sure. Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 52:51

Really? Okay, good. That's good enough. Daddy can buy a new pair of shoes. Yeah, there we go. If our listener wants to reach out, where do they reach you, Em, if people for our listener, if he's interested. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_05 53:01

Because basically what we're doing right now is we're doing an advertisement for the property. Right. And uh it's 12 casitas, three are sold. One we recently, as we mentioned, sold to Vicaya, the cruise line, the guys that own Vicaia. It's so lovely because we're gonna be doing Vicaya events, their new Rush uh Rush Cruise, which uh is when is it? Uh the Rush Cruise is gonna be October 5 to 9, I believe. So exciting. Yeah, um, I'm very excited about that. You should check it out at Vikaya my Vakakaya.com uh rush.com. Rush.com. Which is rhu5h.com. Oh, that's like girls fiveeva. Yeah, yeah. Have you seen girls fiveeva on the TV show? Yeah, yeah, totally. So just like it. Just like it. Um, but anyway, yeah, we should definitely check it out. If people want to reach out about Cassoas, they could do it to Daniel at the Cassoasis.com.

SPEAKER_03 53:47

Or Adam at the Cassoasis.com, or info at info at Maraheo, M-A-R-E-G-E-O.net, or to my WhatsApp at uh plus 52 958-144-3761.

SPEAKER_05 54:01

All right, so now we're gonna test you. This is it. You're gonna get a bunch of requests for nudes now. Yeah, totally. He's really hot. We should probably mention he's really hot. So um tell us what the five amenities are on the property that impress you the most. I think the treehouse bar.

SPEAKER_03 54:18

Oh yeah, the treehouse bar. That's a good one. I mean, as soon as you walk in, I think that's what you're gonna see.

SPEAKER_05 54:24

And we just actually had a meeting with the treehouse guy who's building it off property, and we're talking to him about how it's gonna be because now we're putting swings around it. Right. So you can literally sit on a swing.

SPEAKER_03 54:32

I think that'll be great. That'll be really scary, but fun. Especially during like sunset time. Yeah. I think it'll be great. Totally. Um, the Turk Show Mom, obviously, with totally washing guys. Oh yeah, totally. Scrubbing them down. Real soap. Makes me feel real dirty right now. I need a scrub down here.

SPEAKER_06 54:50

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 54:50

Daniel will be in there three times a day. Yeah, totally. I'll have no skin. I'll be translucent like Nicole Kidman. Outcomes Skeletor.

SPEAKER_03 54:56

Just at my last scrub.

SPEAKER_05 54:58

Bloody, just bleeding everywhere. Sorry, go ahead.

SPEAKER_03 55:00

Um, the pool.

SPEAKER_05 55:01

The pool's gonna be great. Yeah, yeah. Salt water.

SPEAKER_03 55:04

It's bringing everything together, I think, in the middle. Um the amphitheater. Oh, right. I think that's yeah, yeah, totally.

SPEAKER_05 55:10

DJs where Joey with the mustache movies when it rains. Movie when it rains. When it rains, actually, in most places here, like Fire Island, I have to say, is not prepared. They don't think about it. When it rains, it's like, and you've spent two, three hundred dollars a night for a hotel on Fire Island, particularly when it rains. I mean, people just leave the island. I mean, Manhattan's a lot closer than if you're going back to like New York from here. But we're planning on doing something where if it rains, we will have death becomes her. We'll have something going on, we have something figured out because when you're it's raining here, you don't want to go home. It's hot rain. Exactly. And who doesn't love hot rain? So you got two more. Yeah, right. I thought one more, but good. No, two more, yeah. I don't count, I'm the pretty one. Yeah, my math skills are real on things.

SPEAKER_03 55:54

I think the observatory tower. Yeah. And then pick out whoever you want to talk to, I guess. Oh, he knows what's down. Right. Turn those lights off. And then I got one more, right? Yeah, one more. Ooh. Okay.

SPEAKER_05 56:13

I think the gym. The gym's gonna be great. Think about the gym. You can do yoga outside right here. You roll up the gates, and you'll be able to do uh air conditioning in there, air air conditioning, and then the rooftop you could also do yoga workout up there. So it's like very fun.

SPEAKER_03 56:27

I think it'll be great. Stay in shape. Yeah, that's important. Exactly. It really is to keep your routine going, you know. Because we usually when we go for a vacation, we usually forget about our routines, right?

SPEAKER_05 56:37

The gym because the gym usually when you I mean, I know I have. I guess I've been on vacation for a while. Totally. You're far from good and good from far. But um normally when you stay at a hotel, you go to the cheap, you know. I I don't want to put down the Marriott, but like because they're friends of mine. But the And I'm a platinum member.

SPEAKER_06 56:53

But you go to the Marriott gym and it's like kind of like really, you know, it comes to the case. Yeah, I mean, there's like one, there's like one large bouncy ball, six treadmills, and four weights.

SPEAKER_05 57:01

Right, but are you actually gonna have classes where you could do and you can work out naked, which is very, you know, I'm all about watching people do I mean watching people do squats naked, not doing it.

SPEAKER_06 57:11

I've seen your low squat naked, and I I I've never wished I was blind before. At a certain point, your balls are so low that I don't even have to squat and squat them.

SPEAKER_05 57:21

Getting those big fat quads, just dragging those bowling. Literally just standing up straight and people are like, Are you squatting? Nope, my balls are just hanging the low. Get ready, Em. This is what you have to look forward to.

SPEAKER_03 57:33

Coming down the days.

SPEAKER_06 57:38

Well, Em, it's been such a pleasure having you on. Um thanks for all your insight. Thanks for all your hard work. Thanks for taking over the promotion of it. Thanks for teaming up with us and Hal and just the whole thing. We're really excited to have you.

SPEAKER_03 57:50

Of course. I'm happy to work with you. Thank you, guys.

SPEAKER_05 57:52

I want to talk about something that really triggers me. Sure. People stop having kids. Oh. We are in a time now where they say that having a child is worse than if you fly private, you flew private for like a year of your life. Stop having children. There are so many children that need adopted right now. I just think that people that are like, but I want to have one that's like my own, or gazed at surrogate. Yeah, yeah. I don't understand anymore. Stop having kids. There's so many kids. It's like people that are like, but I want to get like a my jeans, I want to pass my jeans.

SPEAKER_06 58:23

Or the people that you weren't that good to start with.

SPEAKER_05 58:25

I dropped a friend because they borrowed$450 from me to buy a dog from a breeder and then ended up not buying the dog. I won't say her name, Linda Cotlip, and then ended up not buying the dog from the breeder. She didn't she sold me a piece of artwork that I didn't want that I hate, which we have in the grove. Oh fuck. That fucking two kids cutting hair. I hate it because she wanted the money to buy a dog. It's like a it's like a creepy little rascal's like hedge scissors. It's so fucking good. It's so creepy, but I love it so much. So anyway, but you didn't want it. I have the situation where much like a kid. Yeah. I had the situation where everyone loves my dogs. Uh Tabasco, Bo, or whatever dog I have at that moment. If I have like the dogs that I get over the summer that I uh foster, they love them. They're like, oh my God, these dogs are great. I was like, you should adopt. Well, I really want a full-bred, you know, Bisho or whatever they're called. I don't even know what they're called. And I'm like, yeah, but like you love Tabasco. I know, but like I really want like a full-bred doch and I'm like, yeah, but like you love these dogs, and these dogs are literally sitting in a crate, and you're just you're just gonna like pay all this more money. And you know, a grand, Alan's husband once said to me, every dog that's adopted, every dog that is uh bought by a breeder, a dog dies in a shelter. So fucking get a dog. And it's the same thing with children. Adopt. First of all, American law should be much easier. I would adopt, and I'm not when I know I would not be the best parent. I know that I would not be the best parent. I'd be a pretty good parent. If you say that, I think you'd be all right. I think it'd be good. I think I have a lifestyle that there would be a lot. It would take a village.

SPEAKER_06 1:00:04

As I watch the news come out and see what children are going through these days, I think you'd be far. Totally. Aunt Stella. Yeah, you know what I mean?

SPEAKER_05 1:00:12

Uncle Sam, Adam, Uncle Sam, all these people would be helpful to take care of, but I would adopt a seven, eight, nine-year-old, you know, that needs help. Yeah. Instead of this constant, like, I have to have someone that has my jeans. My jeans are fine. Yeah. But they're not like Vanderbilt jeans, although Gloria Jeans Vanderbilt jeans were really good. Gloria Vanderbilt jeans were very nice. Remember when she had them for a while? At least they aren't Ed Hardy.

SPEAKER_06 1:00:36

There's not a lot of zippers on.

SPEAKER_05 1:00:37

Yeah, exactly. I um no, I just think that this whole concept of like having this child that looks like you, stop it. Just stop and stop with pregnant women. Yeah. First of all, I think pregnant women should be treated like smokers.

SPEAKER_06 1:00:51

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 1:00:52

Because what you were doing to the environment and to the world is worse than smoking.

SPEAKER_06 1:00:55

Well, you know my really good friend Joe, um of Joe and Ian. Joe always says, like, when he's gonna like use double bags at the grocery store or whatever he's doing, you know, that doesn't seem earth conscious or a plastic straw or like a second class or whatever. He's like, I didn't have kids. Right. I didn't have kids. I'm in I'm in a negative carbon footprint. I kind of agree to something. You agree, you know, like I compost, I recycle, I do what I can, I do the right things, but overall, I I'm in my 50s and I didn't have kids, so fuck off. Exactly. I've already done my part.

SPEAKER_05 1:01:26

Exactly. You know, that's kind of how I feel too. And it's like I look, I hate saying pregnant women should be treated like smokers only because I hate the fact that women should not be treated worse than they already are. So I'm not saying like go and spit on them. But they should have to stand outside if they're pregnant. They shouldn't be allowed in restaurants like smokers. They should not allow it on planes. They have to wait to be pregnant when they get off the plane. They can't be pregnant on the plane. Like it's all the things. No, it's very changing. This is gonna get very people very upset, but luckily this is on a bonus.

SPEAKER_06 1:01:57

No, but honestly, let them get upset. Like, you know, like stop having kids. Adopt, adopt, adopt, adopt. Like, and you know, and they go and they talk to people until the orphanages are empty. Yes. Stop having kids.

SPEAKER_05 1:02:07

And then they say, uh, yeah, but it's hard to adopt. And it's like, it should be hard to have a child. Yeah. You should have to prove that you have the finances. You should have to have someone come in your home and say that your home is safe and okay.

SPEAKER_06 1:02:21

To have a child. Uh literally getting pregnant should be like adopting. Exactly. It should be. That's my trigger. It makes me crazy. You went through the foster system. I have a foster family, you know, like totally. You know, exactly. It's my that's my thing. I just wish that people would stop getting pregnant. Well, mine's a mine's a bit different. My trigger's a little different. I'm I'm very fortunate that I have family and friends like you, Anna, Seth, Joe, Ian, my boyfriend Alex. Like, they never do this to me. But our business partner Sam and his husband Phil are going through this. If somebody is in an area that someone else is going to travel to, just tell your friend that they're down there. And if you run into them, they're a good person. Oh, I got to do it. Don't introduce them to make them the fucking tour guide. Like, oh, hey, this is my friend Bill. We went to college together 20 fucking years ago. He's in Zippelite. He's in Zipaliti. I'm going to give him his number. Can you show him around? No, I can't show him around. Tell Bill that he's on fucking holiday and he should go experience a new town and go see new things. And if I run into Bill at the popular places, I'll be like, oh, you're Sam's friend.

SPEAKER_05 1:03:25

You know, like Or to add to that, if Bill says, Hey guys, I'd love to hang out, you say, I'm at this restaurant tonight. Not, oh, I'm not going to go to that restaurant. Do you want to meet me somewhere else? Yeah, exactly. Like then Bill makes you chase after him.

SPEAKER_06 1:03:36

Bill's plans should become my plans. And I'm not going to chase after you to prove that I'm a good friend to Ashley or whoever the fuck that introduced me to Bill. I agree 100%.

SPEAKER_05 1:03:44

You know, I had that thing happen where people come down here and I'm like, well, yeah, they want to, hey, we should hang out. Well, I have a restaurant. I have to be there at night. But why don't you come in? You're going to eat maybe for free. I don't say that because I'm like, I don't need to beg for friends. Um, but you're gonna eat maybe they'll, you know, I'd give them food to give them a drink or whatever, they could hang out here. And it's comfortable, people love it, whatever. And instead, they're like, well, we were thinking of this, that, whatever. Yeah. You know, they're always so afraid of the sunset applied to more. It's like, you're gonna get naked. Yeah. You're gonna, it's like it I expect this already on Fire Island in six weeks. You go to Fire Island, it's May 5th, it's 58 degrees out. You go to a party at someone's house, the jacuzzi's on, but no matter how hot it is, the water's still 40 degrees. They're all like, let's go in the jacuzzi because they're trying to get everyone naked. Not the owners, but like the guests. And they're all sitting there shivering. And I'm like, girls, there's a whole summer. Yeah, you're gonna get a lot of dick. Yeah, wait till July. This is another trigger, I guess. You're going into another trigger. But I'm like, calm down. Yeah, dick is like I I I say dick is like a bus. If you see the bus go by, if you wait a few minutes, another bus comes. It's like it really is like the MTA. Absolutely. New York Dick is like the MTA. You're definitely getting fucked. And the next bus might be a double decker.

SPEAKER_06 1:05:01

It might be one of those extra long ones. Oh my God.

SPEAKER_05 1:05:03

And with that, we will say this has been triggered warning. Wait, what did that guy say? I I saw something on, he said, um, New York Dick is like the the uh the DMV. When you get there, you're like, oh man, it's long. But then you're like, maybe I can take off work for it. You know.

SPEAKER_06 1:05:23

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SPEAKER_05 1:06:12

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