Drag, Day Drinking & Drama: Live from Ice Palace with the Legendary Hedda Lettuce

Wanna know what happens when we take Trigger Warning LIVE to the Ice Palace during Pride Week in Fire Island?

Well the answer is simple…

Chaos. Drag royalty. Audience triggers. And yes — a very honest review of Stop That Train.

I’m Daniel Nardicio, and alongside my brother Adam Klesh, we recorded this episode LIVE in the middle of the Ice Palace during Pride Week madness. We recap our Ultra Naté episode, talk Pride plans, nightlife insanity, travel drama, Puerto Vallarta life, and welcome the legendary Hedda Lettuce for a no-filter conversation about drag, crowd work, and surviving drunk holiday audiences.

Then… we trigger.

🔥 Fire Island day drinkers
 🔥 People who talk during shows
 🔥 Hedda’s “stop breeding” rant
 🔥 Gringos, gentrification & cheap flights
 🔥 Berlin, Zipolite & missing our dogs

This one is loud, irreverent, and full of Pride.

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@pridehousemedia

Write to us at: Questions@TriggerWarningPod.com

Transcript

SPEAKER_02 0:03

What happens when you let Enfant Terrible, now just terrible, Daniel Nardicho, off his leash to say and do whatever he wants? The man who is offended everyone is back.

SPEAKER_04 0:14

Along with my brother from another mother, Adam Klesh, we're back with our latest creation, Trigger Warning, a podcast that is not for the faint of heart. Prepare to be offended, enlightened, and highly entertained. Trigger Warning is not a safe space podcast, but answers the questions no one wants to ask. Serves steep in vodka and a day. A dash of bitter.

SPEAKER_02 0:35

Each week we'll bring you the highest and lowest in NYC nightlife. So buckle up. You've been warned.

SPEAKER_04 0:46

Alright, gentlemen. Uh, ladies, uh, or I should say, lady and gentlemen. I think we just have Stella as a woman watching. My name is Daniel Nardiccio. I'm Adam Clash. We're live here at the Ice Palace. Trigger Warning Live. This is the second live one we done. Last night we done.

SPEAKER_02 1:00

Girl, you're gonna blow your voice out. You don't have to scream over the music. We can hear it. Oh, really? Yeah, it just sounds like it's active in here.

SPEAKER_03 1:06

Okay. Sorry. Sorry about that. Good lord. You ever do uh ASMR like uh you ever do like ASMR stuff? Where they're like, they're like this or I'm eating an apple. This is me petting a kidney. This is me eating an apple.

SPEAKER_04 1:21

This is me jerking off. Yeah, I know. I love it. I do actually love going on YouTube and putting in ASMR and listening to them because they're really corny as everything.

SPEAKER_02 1:31

Girl, when I decide to go to bed, everything is ASMR. I can put in a show, I can put in a documentary. You know I love to sleep uh with something on. I've watched- Look, you're you're operating it properly. So you loosen it, move it, tighten it. Okay, don't fight against the gears, girl. Jesus. You're not topping the microphone. So I found this lovely accoutrement.

SPEAKER_04 1:54

No. No. I love I found this lovely accoutrement. You know what that means?

SPEAKER_02 2:00

Yes. You do? Accoutrement? Yes, it's like an accessory, an outfit.

SPEAKER_04 2:04

Yeah, totally. Well, our listeners don't.

SPEAKER_02 2:06

A wearable chotchki.

SPEAKER_04 2:07

A wearable choski. In my room. In my actual room, I found in my room in the storage unit. This managed to somehow be hidden in my room, and I found it and thought it'd have to be behind a refrigerator. Did you not see it? Yeah, of course I saw it. Oh, you saw it in my room. Oh, I didn't know that. I did not see it. Boy, you're how can you look, Daniel? I didn't ever notice it. Because you just have so much fabulousness in your life. So, anyway, I I I want to ask uh well when we get to our cast, one of the questions I want to ask her is Is this the first time she's ever done a live podcast in the basically back room of a nightclub? This is where the sex where the magic happens at the underwear parties.

SPEAKER_02 2:44

It's the meet and greet, as as our listeners and watcher may know. We refer to the meet and greet. This is where I do my meet and greet.

SPEAKER_04 2:50

Which I parenthetically I have to say, this past underwear party was wild. The busiest. This is what I mean, by the way. Just talk at a normal level, you assholes. Like, this is what I mean. They're like screening. And what are they, deaf? I just I'm starting to hate people. Nothing against the dev community. No, sorry about that. Yeah, there. Get ready for the letters. I am leaving PO box for one. I know, my PR. That's why we should use our PR box. Uh PR box. I am leaving right after we're done with this podcast because you know, uh one day, what is it they say? Uh one day I'll fly. One day, two days on the island is too much for me.

SPEAKER_02 3:29

Yeah, yeah. I've gotten to that point now. It shows. It shows. It shows. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, it's too much. But what are they screaming about? No one's having that much fun. They just saw the pool show.

SPEAKER_04 3:38

They should be crying. Well, anyway, guys, it's Pride Week. And last night we recorded uh with Ultronate and uh Naya T. And I just have to reiterate how much fun it was. But what was really fun about it was finding out the origin of Ultronate's name, which is cosmetics and perfume. Her mother Ultra Sheen was a makeup, and Ginate was my mother's uh my mother's perfume and which is.

SPEAKER_02 4:05

Next to her liter bottle of vodka. Liter bottle of vodka.

SPEAKER_04 4:07

She had a liter bottle of gin to the shape. She could have been ultra-noff. But she called it ginnate. But my mom, thinking she was fancy, called it ginnate. But my mom, to be fair, my mom also thought the Monet was French currency. So, um Yeah. Well, that was a good one. Yeah, it was good. That's a dad joke. You fuck her. You fucker. You give him the controls. Anyway, that's what's going on. What uh what are you doing for Pride Week?

SPEAKER_02 4:34

What am I doing for Pride Week? Leaving. Oh, where are you going? Berlin. Really? Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's like my tradition now. Because like Taylor Schubert, our wonderful business partner, has the club so dialed in at Red Eye and Mila, and it's about them like really having their moment. And you know, Cherry Grove is um on the on the more vacation quieter side. Totally, yeah. And I need to check in with, you know, my my friends and my chosen family and my business over there, Gipsy Bear. And so Pride Week is actually delicious.

SPEAKER_04 5:02

Now, you know, actually, what's weird about Mila is she's transitioning. It's no one, it's not a secret. I saw her the other day and I said I went to go see stop that train, but I thought it was Stop That Tran, and I was supporting an anti-trans film, but unfortunately it was a RuPaul movie. Which will stop anyone from transitioning. I know, right? I actually enjoyed it-ish. I thought uh it was directed not so well, and I thought that when you're gonna uh you're gonna copy or like you know, kind of a pay homage to those airplane movies, the the editing is so important. Like if the guy says, Oh yeah, I know a little German and then it hands over to like a little guy in Lederhosen, like a uh, you know, a porg in Lederhosen. Yeah, that's a callback for our viewers that know what a porg is. Um it it it had such potential, but there were just so I don't know if we're gonna talk with our guests about it in a minute to see if they've seen it. But um I I don't know if our viewers or listeners have seen it yet, but what the problem was, and I love Fenton and Randy. I think what they're doing is great stuff. You know, I'm a big fan of the show and Rue and everyone. They've always been nothing but really nice to me. Uh I know it's getting louder. It's getting louder, and it's like five people. That's the funny thing. It's five people, and they're just like, let's crank it up. So five alcoholics stay here. So anyway, um I'm texting the sound man. Yeah, yeah, yeah, totally. I'm gonna finish this by saying, uh, did you see it, Josh? No, totally joining. We're gonna talk about Josh's legs in a minute, too. So uh, and then we gotta get to our guests.

SPEAKER_02 6:25

Can we talk about the fact that when you pontificate in that, it's really something. Really? Yeah, it's almost uh, it's like Gabriel. You're like the announcer.

SPEAKER_04 6:33

So uh I'll just say this. Uh, it had so many things like Jesse Tyler Ferguson setting across from this woman who was about to have a baby and her water broke. That was such, he's such a talent that was so not funny. And I kept thinking, why is this in it? And then Jeff, I went with Jeff Easton, the photographer, and he said to me something really astute. He said, They probably got it out for words, you know, they wanted to be, you know, you have to have a certain length. So they added uh what would be B-roll or things that didn't work would be on the cutting room floor that a regular director, but they added it. I I think I always want to support those things because I think it's important to support queer cinema. Our actually, our guest today has been in a few things. Um, they were just talking about it before the show started. Um uh but but I sent up the flair by the way. You're all funny. I mean, I know Rue loves dad jokes. I love dad jokes. I love a dad joke, but a funny dad joke is a funny dad joke, and an unfunny one is and this had some real laugh out loud moments, but so much wasted. Monet came out, Monet Exchange, and had this one thing and rattled a line that I was like, what does that even mean? So anyway, that was top that train uh train train. She did not think that was funny, but I did. No, she did actually. I'm sorry. She gets my jokes. Anyway, that was that. Um should we go to the guests, or do you have something you want to talk about?

SPEAKER_02 7:51

No, I'm good. Let's hit the guests. I can barely think with all the music going on. There are there's it's my trigger warning, so I'll hold it.

SPEAKER_04 7:59

I've got a lot to say. I'm really excited about this guest because I've this is one of those people that I have to say uh was it has been around for a very long time in New York and also on Fire Island. I didn't know this person, and then they started doing shows here last year, the year before, and we started having coffee in the mornings at the coffee bar because she, like me, he, like me, is a coffee morning person because we're not out all night. You can't soar with the eagles when you're up all night hooting with the turkeys or hooting with the owls. Where the fuck did you pull turkeys from? There's something with turkeys, it's like gobbling with the turkeys.

SPEAKER_02 8:32

You can't soar with the eagles if you're up all night stuffing the turkeys. Stuffing the turkeys.

SPEAKER_04 8:36

That's what I always say. So, anyway, our next guest is proof that you can water your lettuce with vodka and applause anything is possible. She survived bad lighting, bad reviews, more sequins than should be legally allowed in three states. She's a woman of mystery, glamour, and questionable produce classification. Whether she's spilling tea, throwing shade, or somehow doing both at the same time, she remains New York's favorite head of lettuce. The only thing sharper than her wit is her contour. So lock up your boyfriends, your husbands, and your salad dressing because she's here and she's fabulous. Ladies and gentlemen, head of lettuce. Wow.

SPEAKER_06 9:11

That chappy GPD did a fabulous job on that. That sucked up at least a 1,500-gallon pool just for that. You suck the water, you drain the swamp. Wow.

SPEAKER_04 9:22

Yeah, usually a swamp with that one. Isn't it weird in a way that we're speaking of this water thing? Like in New Orleans, they keep saying the swamps are, you know, they're the water's approaching, and I'm thinking, what we're using all this water for AI. Why don't we just move them to the swamps of Louisiana?

SPEAKER_06 9:36

They need fresh water.

SPEAKER_04 9:37

They can't use salt water.

SPEAKER_06 9:38

They need fresh water. I'm sure they could salt water just deteriorates the air.

SPEAKER_04 9:42

I was gonna say, I'm gonna ask ChatGPT if they can use salt water. And then you're just wasting more water by asking them. So, Hedda, this is an honor for us.

SPEAKER_06 9:51

Don't bullshit me. I'm tired. This is so bullshit. You're right.

SPEAKER_02 9:55

Bianca couldn't do it.

SPEAKER_06 9:56

But I can I'm not even being uh uh what was it, a uh a stick with the wig on it couldn't do it to you that you got me.

SPEAKER_02 10:01

I know what it is. We broke the broom handle.

SPEAKER_06 10:03

I know you broke the broom.

SPEAKER_02 10:06

I can't believe you said in your intro that you had only seen Hata when she came here.

SPEAKER_06 10:11

No, no, no. The truth of the matter is this. He would occasionally wander into cherries when I walked in, but he's got the attention spot span of a Titsy fly. Yeah. And he would sit there with kind of with a poo-poo face on a little bit, brother. A little bit. You got sometimes you're you're you know.

SPEAKER_04 10:25

Well, you would read me.

SPEAKER_06 10:26

No, I would never do it. I never read you. Really? Did I? I probably did. I probably did.

SPEAKER_02 10:30

I saw Hedda, I remember East of Eighth days.

SPEAKER_06 10:32

Oh, that was a long time ago.

SPEAKER_04 10:33

People came up years ago when I had Liza here, uh, maybe not that year, but the year after, and and they were like, Oh, you must be really mad because Hedda was making fun about the your it was called the icon series, and they and she would go on about like Linda Carter. She's not a kind, and I was like, you don't understand. That's press. That's that's comedy.

SPEAKER_06 10:50

I would comment about these old bitches trying to go up the ramp to the Ice Palace. Like Liza would be rolled back down again, and she kept trying, and then and then Carol would come, oh cac, whatever, and you know, well, you know, that people thought I would be. I saw Linda Carter. Yeah, and my only grievance with Linda Carter at that time, but now I think she's she's softened about that. She didn't want to talk about Wonder Woman at all, and she did a half a fucking spin. And I was like, You gotta be fucking kidding me. I climbed up that fucking ramp, got those free tickets, and this is what happened, and she couldn't even do a spin. The audience were she didn't know what she had in the palms of her hands here. She didn't know.

SPEAKER_04 11:26

And then afterward, I talked to her manager and he said, So what do you think? I said, loved her, great, you know. Uh, but you know, why didn't she like do the spin? I mean, it was just like so easy.

SPEAKER_06 11:35

It's easy and have a chart, the wonder woman coming in. You have to fucking do that song.

SPEAKER_04 11:40

Oh my god, she didn't spin. She had to be a chip.

SPEAKER_02 11:41

She probably would have cheated revered into the drum game.

SPEAKER_06 11:44

No, she was she was youngish then. She had the body. She forgot. We also started and then she stopped it because she was in that moment when she felt I want to be taken seriously as a cabaret artist. I'm I'm poo-pooing my past. Luckily, I never poo-pooed my past because I don't remember it. But if I remembered it, I'd maybe I would poo-poo it, but I don't remember it.

SPEAKER_04 12:05

I didn't understand that it all because I think I was on Wonder Woman, actually. It's it's like that got her from pulling the thoughts together. I think I was on Wonder Woman. That got her on the stage. So honor that.

SPEAKER_06 12:16

I I that got we wouldn't be seeing her doing cabaret here if she wasn't Wonder Woman. Exactly. Correct, exactly.

SPEAKER_04 12:22

What'd you think of her voice?

SPEAKER_06 12:24

Oh, I thought she was good. I thought she was very talented. And she and she has a lot of money. She shipped in her own band and her own sound equipment. All the whole nine yards, she went for all of it. Yeah, too. That was a that was a that was a it was a nice evening.

SPEAKER_04 12:35

She had uh she brought in Dolly Parton's backup singers when Dolly Tours, which I thought was a gag because she can afford it. She's married a billionaire. She, you know, she blew her, she flew here private in her invisible place.

SPEAKER_06 12:46

Yes, I thought I'd start something land on the roof of this of this place. I was like, what what just happened? Oh my god, Linda Carter. Oh, having money. Meanwhile, I'm swimming across this fucking bay to get here. You can't. I didn't know one told me that. That's the humiliating part about this. I swam. No one said, Hedda, just put your feet down. I didn't really four feet down. Exactly. I'm swimming with a steamer trunk on my back. Meanwhile, Linda Carter's zooming in here with a private jet. There's not even a landing pad, but she landed somehow. It's invisible. Yeah, that's true. I hate oh God, it's hard being a working-class drag queen. Did you see other shows? I did. I I I've seen your show this year. Yes, I got the pads. I'll tell I saw almost everything last year, and I enjoyed everything except for one.

SPEAKER_04 13:33

You want to tell us?

SPEAKER_06 13:34

No, I'm not gonna say a word because it's not polite to talk about these things.

SPEAKER_04 13:37

No, I think I know.

SPEAKER_06 13:38

Maybe you do know, but there was one I was like, I can't believe what is going on here. Anna Gastar. I I can't believe what is going on here. Oh, here's my thing about Anna Gasta.

SPEAKER_04 13:48

She could comb her hair. She she could have that wasn't a show. It was it was like a but she threw it together. It was like a bit. She it was a bit.

SPEAKER_06 13:57

But I'm gonna tell you about being famous, though. When you're famous, people don't give a shit. They don't. They just want to see you. And if you do a few funny things, it's great. But when you're at a certain level, which is the level I am, I mean, I've done things here and there. You have to still do a quality show. Yeah. Yeah. Because people otherwise, you're you're you're just the your last show is your is your calling card. What was your excuse last week then? I was I was tired. I was swimming across the fucking bay to get here. So I was exhausted.

SPEAKER_04 14:23

Here's the thing about the show with Anna. I thought uh I I I loved her, by the way. I had a great time with her. She stayed over Davis Park, so she and her husband just got on a boat and came over, which is the easiest thing because normally I have you people like I'm at, you know, I'm in the pines, and I'm like, you people anyway.

SPEAKER_02 14:36

You people. Yeah, you can't. No, you can't just you can't. Why? Performers?

SPEAKER_04 14:41

Say performers. You people, you people perform. Well, they're not really people. Um she also the song choices, they were like ootie oohie, beep, beep like she did all these weird songs no one knew.

SPEAKER_02 14:54

I was high on ketamine, so I thought it was wonderful. Maybe that was the target audience.

SPEAKER_06 14:58

That's the disclaimer. I think that's the target audience. That you need to put it in the back. Make them do ketamine. Ketamine.

SPEAKER_04 15:03

Yeah. Honestly. Come in stoned or flying. That's not a bad idea if you did a show where everyone had to be high for it.

SPEAKER_06 15:08

I you know, when I used to do that at cherries and I didn't like it. No. But it was better here than cherries? Oh, is it better here? Yes, artistically here, it's much better because people are actually paying attention and I'm not competing with blenders because they say in show, but there's three things you don't compete with children, dogs, and blenders. I thought the third one was Justin Vivian Bond. Oh, that's that's the fourth one. I didn't that was that's you know, that's another, you know, compete with that one. But blenders. And and when they have three or four blenders going there, it's like it's like Linda Carter's jet taking off the roof.

SPEAKER_04 15:35

It's Pat Lovian too, because those blenders go off and everyone's mouth starts salivating because these fucking booze hounds running, you know.

SPEAKER_06 15:42

One year I brought my own blender as a fuck you to them. When they came on stage, when they start, I took my blender out and started doing saying, How do you like it? How do you like it now?

SPEAKER_04 15:49

That's a really funny bit.

SPEAKER_06 15:50

Yeah, but they didn't it didn't go on you because they didn't give a shit.

SPEAKER_04 15:53

They don't care.

SPEAKER_06 15:53

No, so the blend here, artistic, when you're performing here, I will say this about I mean, there's a lot of problems. But the good side. But there's a lot of problems. The good side is this when you're fo when you're performing here, people are here to see a show. Right. You're not competing with the um seafood pot and the blenders because they would serve food there. I wouldn't see your show at Jerry's and they were. You had the seafood pot. You were the asshole about the seafood pot. It's like muscles, and you're playing. A cauldron of seafood comes out and you're sitting there, and then someone's having Pane a la vodka. You know you can't do that well here.

SPEAKER_04 16:24

I would say, you know, having worked at Cafe Carlisle a bit, you know, they do this thing where they make you get there at the seating starts at 6 30 and the show starts at 8 fucking 45 and they serve you dinner. And I talked to the waiters and they're like, We we tell people you get here at 640, 630 or 7 so that we can get they don't want people clanging. Jude is so. Okay, you would sit there.

SPEAKER_06 16:43

I would sit there at Cherry's and there were people's back towards me as they were eating their penny ala vodka, and they were in the seafood pot would come out, and then the chicken fingers were there, oh, they were just one the fingers that I don't know where they've been, but they didn't look good. But it's not even that, it's just you don't performing for food is never fun. No, never mind. No, it's never fun.

SPEAKER_04 17:00

It's never but post is really great. Like I love that feeling at Cafe Carlo. Everyone was saying, they were saying they were not, yeah. I mean, but then they were having a martini and it was civilized.

SPEAKER_06 17:09

Yeah, but you do learn more about crowd control and working with the crowd more because you have to do more to get them to pay attention to you. So you're competing at cherries, which is lovely in its own way. It really it's charming because it's so scenic for this town. You're underneath the circus tent, the bay is in front of you, there's the blenders going, and then that bar in the corner where everyone's talking on the side, they're not paying, they're just wandering in and they're just kind of but here at at all the crackling speakers turned to 12. Uh I think I lost my hearing working at cherries. That's a s I think that's the song. I lost my hearing working at cherries. No, but um here they're here to pay attention to the show, so I can do more what I can do, and I can take beats more and finesse more. Yeah, where I could couldn't as much there. Um, so here it is definitely you can you you feel like you're doing you're actually doing something artificial.

SPEAKER_02 17:54

You were talking about being a uh like being able to master the crowd and run out. You are a master of crowd control. Has that crowd work? Crowd control, crowd work. But has that always been the shit?

SPEAKER_06 18:06

Well, because no, that you know, when you it developed over time, you find out what your skills are, uh more so. I mean, I like to sing, I do enjoy singing, but I think the combination of working with the audience, I like this it terrifies me when I go out and I talk to the audience because I never know what's gonna happen. I never know how the flow is gonna be. I never know what the energy's gonna be. But the more relaxed I am about it, the better it is because I do think it connects people in a way that they need to be connected now because we're so stuck in our phones and to have someone react uh interact with you on stage, but not in a way that's really gonna make you go, oh gosh, but in a way that it brings the room together. That's what I'm saying.

SPEAKER_02 18:39

But I mean, like the ga the gays out here, like they gag to sit in the front row. It's like or they tell their I don't want to be there. They don't tell their friends they book two front row tables and they bring like six people along, and the six it's the best revenge. The six people don't know what's about to happen. If you piss someone off, you're like, you, you, you, what's your name? What do you do for a living?

SPEAKER_04 19:02

So you perform for sober audiences, I'm assuming, right? And uh when you like full-on sober, you know, uh groups and stuff like that. Uh what's better? An audience has had a few drinks of audience that is is completely sober.

SPEAKER_06 19:14

I listen, I've done audio I've done office things, like when you go corporate things when they're just a uh on the the some of the best places to perform, honestly. Well, it's better if they have one or two drinks in them. Right. And it's also better if the room isn't too cold. Because comedy, uh comedy and cold do not work together. Temperature wise, temperature. It can't be too cold at all. You want them sweating? No, but they can't, it has to be exhausted. That's what I hear. A little bit because you know, if it's too cold, they don't want to they they're more rigid, they don't laugh at the end of the day.

SPEAKER_04 19:43

Because Dave Letterman's theory was that he kept the studio like 69 degrees because he wanted it to be but I think it's also because he was a sweater, like and I think he worked out.

SPEAKER_06 19:52

Joan Crawford also kept her movies to 57 degrees. People were freezing on those sets. She had she kept it, and I can't work in the cold. I hate the cold. Living in Puerto Vallarta now, I hate I just it's too cold out here right now for me in June. Really? In some parts. Yeah, it's too cold for me.

SPEAKER_02 20:06

Patty LePone. Oh, Patty LePone's here. Her writer said the stage had to be 71 degrees and the dressing room had to be 69 degrees.

SPEAKER_07 20:15

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 20:15

That's specific.

SPEAKER_06 20:16

Did you have a turkey baster to find the temperature?

SPEAKER_04 20:22

We didn't do it. We did the stage, the air conditioning broke for the first night, and someone cut the core, like the prion thing out there when they were doing the pool deck. And it was fucking the poor woman was like, she was sweating and she was pissed. Well, she seems to be like she had every right to be. She seems to get angry very easily.

SPEAKER_02 20:38

She was really sweet about it. I will say, she was like, she wrote a nice message. She was like, Daniel, I if it's gonna be like that, I I can't do the show. I was dying of it. And I was dying. And you were like, guys, we gotta fix this. I fucking ran off the island to Home Depot and I brought every portable air conditioner they had at the Home Depot, and we had five portable air conditioners. To surrounding her like a circle, Jerry?

SPEAKER_04 20:59

And they got the air conditioning in the room fixed because they came and fixed it in an emergency and like fixed the Freon cut. But but it was like one of those things that the next day she said to someone, she said, I like Daniel, but he's not very relaxed, is he? It's like, how could I be relaxed? I thought you were going to cancel a sold-on second show. And she would have. You're really fucked because you rented a house. You have all these attendant expenses that you don't get back just because Patty LePone canceled the second night.

SPEAKER_06 21:22

So Cut, I wish I could. Oh God, I I need five air conditioners back there.

SPEAKER_04 21:26

We got them. We got them. We got them. You didn't return them?

SPEAKER_02 21:29

No, we kept them.

SPEAKER_04 21:30

You can't return them once you open them and you plug them in. Oh, that's a lot. There's one in my room, there's one back here, there's one backstage, there's one.

SPEAKER_06 21:36

I mean, it's all I would No, but yeah, the audience, you should never be lightly inebriated. Uh the worst audiences to perform for is, I have to say, uh, is the Fourth of July weekend. There consistently, no matter where I've worked at, there's a level of drunkenness that is is it it is terrible to perform to. They're just shit catch. They're just it's just it's really bad. So why do you hate Sipolite?

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SPEAKER_06 22:00

I why do I because I'm not a nudist. I find old nude people to be vulgar and disgusting.

SPEAKER_04 22:05

I tried to get her to come down for my birthday too. I'm not coming down to your birthday.

SPEAKER_06 22:08

I'm not coming to your fucking birthday. I mean, especially you plan it so far in advance, and I live in the moment. I'm a free spirit. I'm a butterfly. I can think of these things. All of a sudden, oh, your birthday's seven years from now. You're gonna turn 60. Oh my god. No, no, no, not that kind of friendly. It's too free. It's too free, too. No, no, no, no.

SPEAKER_04 22:23

No, I Adam, I had sent her. She was one of the first people because she was in my mind because we'd spent so much time together having coffee in the mornings. And I sent her an invite. It was like March, maybe February, saying, like, save the date. It's a destination birthday. I invited 60 people down for my 60th birthday in Zibolite in October. I won't say week, whatever weekend, because I don't want you showing up unless you're hot, in which case you can email me. We'll talk about it. So anyway, I sent it to her, and not, oh my God, I'm in your inner circle. I'm one of 60. What I get was so far in advance. And I was like, geez, you play. She's like, geez, you plan ahead. And I was like, oh, happy happy birthday to me. And then now it's told me today on the year she's not coming.

SPEAKER_06 23:06

Do you know what? Would you rather me say something uh in since like, oh god, this is so endearing. I can't believe this. This is what you would prefer to that. Totally.

SPEAKER_02 23:15

Really? Oh, absolutely. Lie to her all the time.

SPEAKER_06 23:16

Oh no, I have it's a I I can't, I I wasn't, you know what? Actually, that that wasn't a nasty response. That was more like, oh, did you ever hear that old Jewish thing when they there's you know at a restaurant and like, oh God, this food is terrible in such small portions? That kind of thing. It's like that kind of thing, you know. Oh God, this food is awful.

SPEAKER_04 23:32

Let me ask you a question. So a lot of times here, I've been working, I've been at a little filler, I do a little, you know, I take care of myself, whatever. And so I've been running into people I haven't seen all winter. And they come up to me and like, oh my god, you look great. Now they don't sometimes. Do you say back, oh my god, you too, or do you just go thank you? You just say thank you.

SPEAKER_06 23:50

You don't say, No, you know, no, but they know you're lying.

SPEAKER_02 23:54

Oh, yeah, no, I always say thank you. You just go, Oh my god. You do all the time. No, you just say you just say after you've seen yourself, and then you turn and look at me.

SPEAKER_06 24:02

You just say thank you. Oh, excuse me, I have to go now. Oh, yeah. No, you just you get out of the conversation really fast. You know what I'm talking about though, right? Absolutely.

SPEAKER_04 24:11

I mean, someone you see, because everyone in Cherry Grove gains five pounds over winter, but they don't lose it in summer, they add it the next winter. Everyone's getting fatter, but we're getting thinner.

SPEAKER_06 24:23

So what is the moral to the story? Money. Money, money. That's it all comes down to money. It all comes down to money. Oh, the whole thing is lost on me too, but you know, you gotta go with the flow. I will say, uh, you never one thing I've learned in life, never ask when you run into someone and you say, Hey, how you doing? Never if you if you're asking someone how they'll be afraid they may tell you. So I only say hello. Hi. Great to see you. Great to see you. That's it. If you say to someone, how are you? then oh my god, you're gonna be you never know what the hostage is to say.

SPEAKER_04 24:55

Well that has been a uh trigger of mine in the past on the show here, which is I don't like people asking me how I'm doing because they don't want to know.

SPEAKER_06 25:01

They don't really want to know. We want to say, Oh my god, my prostate. But that's what I do sometimes.

SPEAKER_04 25:06

I say, Oh, you really want to know? Let's sit down and you just just you torture them? Oh my god, I gotta cure it.

SPEAKER_02 25:12

And we all meet a ton of people. Like, do you do the same thing because I can't remember names? You're like big Darling.

SPEAKER_06 25:17

I know I never forget a face. Oh, but I I've names elude me. They've done, I just I wish we wore name tags on Fire.

SPEAKER_02 25:24

I'm more likely to remember what you drink than I am to remember your.

SPEAKER_04 25:28

I never forget a face if I've sat on it.

SPEAKER_02 25:30

That's a big on rule.

SPEAKER_04 25:32

Ring Mama's bell. Ring mama's bell. Um, so anyway, you're uh really excited because uh you have um you you signed up to do a bunch of shows here. When is this airing, by the way? Uh Thursday.

SPEAKER_06 25:43

This Thursday?

SPEAKER_04 25:44

I think no week Thursday.

SPEAKER_06 25:46

Oh, so it's not okay. So we we won't talk about my show at Red Eye. We won't talk about that. I'm sorry, I mentioned that. Why won't we talk about it? We won't because it's not it's already gonna be done. I only have one show left. It's this Friday. We're probably there's only one left. The 26th, yes. They wouldn't book me any further. They said I'm not Patty Lepone. I can't make her I can't like decide these things.

SPEAKER_04 26:05

You did well though, I heard the last show.

SPEAKER_06 26:07

The last show was packed. The last two shows wouldn't do very well. Do you want to do more? Uh do I want to do more? Not really, but I really enjoyed those shows that I did.

SPEAKER_02 26:14

Yeah. You're hearing at first there could be an extended run.

SPEAKER_06 26:17

There could be an extended run if Mother needs to work more to pay for things that she needs.

SPEAKER_04 26:21

We're excited to have you here because uh, you know, it was fun when you you know signed on to do them, and then of course when you canceled, and then when you came back crawling, it was really funny.

SPEAKER_06 26:30

It wasn't crawling.

SPEAKER_02 26:32

But just to keep it interesting, she then canceled at Red Eye. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_06 26:36

Yeah. Well, I you it's hard to do. Do you want to bring to the downer now? Do you want to talk about a downer should be a little bit more?

SPEAKER_01 26:41

I'm gonna cancel culture menu. You don't cancel shows.

SPEAKER_06 26:44

I love it's I was supposed to do something else. That was good. That was good. I was supposed to do something else, but instead I instead I did this. No, it has to do with the fact that I had plans to go to Provincetown. Yes, I did. Yeah, yeah. Because I've been doing Fire Island for 17 years. And you know, sometimes you gotta change it up a little bit. Absolutely, and all joking aside, we love your loyalty. But the problem is, as you reach a girl, you know, you're a woman of a certain age, you have aging parents. So my father brought me, I was like, I really couldn't be away for that long. Right. And so Where do your parents live? They the Long Island. Oh, okay. Okay, okay. So that's why I can see them. I go out of the street. Oh, right, you've left and gone there, yeah. So, because he's 88 and he's definitely on the decline now. It's not it's not great. So that's why I didn't want to talk. This is not fun talking about aging parents. It's about life. It's aging parents kept me here.

SPEAKER_04 27:40

Do you know what's interesting? We're in that age group now where people are taking care of their parents, especially yourself who are taking care of their parents. Well, I killed them off. Yeah, yeah, exactly.

SPEAKER_06 27:47

So I thought it's best if they die in a plane crash.

SPEAKER_04 27:50

So the good news is we got this summer. You're here for a lot of the stuff.

SPEAKER_06 27:53

I'm here, I've got if I if I can tell, I until Labor Day, I'm supposed to be here. That's fantastic.

SPEAKER_04 27:58

Because last year you skipped out like in August, right?

SPEAKER_06 28:00

I skipped out August 30th, the la end of August. Oh, okay. It wasn't like I skipped out in the middle of August, it was the end of August.

SPEAKER_02 28:04

Well, you like me, it was Pines party. She was out. She's out totally. Mentally.

SPEAKER_06 28:09

You know, I was supposed to have a ticket to that fucking Pines party. Something happened. I don't know what happened, but I have a grudge about that too. I was turned away at the door.

SPEAKER_02 28:15

You'll have a ticket this show. Yeah, you'll have a ticket. I'll just give you your ticket. Yeah, that's much easier.

SPEAKER_05 28:19

See, you're here at night. Okay, what do you want to say to me?

SPEAKER_04 28:21

You live in Puerto Vallarta. Puerto Vallarta. Puerto Vallarta. You don't speak Spanish though.

SPEAKER_05 28:25

Uh un poquito. Un poquito española. Pero mi es muy muy muy muy idiota.

SPEAKER_04 28:31

Muy difícil.

SPEAKER_05 28:32

Espanol is muy difficile.

SPEAKER_04 28:36

Oh, I'm impressed. It's not bueno. I'm I'm practicing practicing, but it really is.

SPEAKER_06 28:40

Oh, Spanish is difficult. Listen, when you especially in an international hub where they don't speak Spanish everywhere, if you had you're forced to speak it, it comes. I think the best way to learn immersion is the best. So I would say getting kidnapped is the best way to learn Spanish. Take the caratello. You have to speak it, you know they force you to be held hostage for a while until you learn fluidity.

SPEAKER_04 28:59

So we're building a nightclub on the beach in Zipalite called Temple, and the guy who owns the building next to us, it's a little hotel called San Cristobal. This is such a crazy story. 20-something years he was a raging alcoholic, I heard. Like to fall down drunk in this in the town. He got kidnapped. Kidnapping is somewhat more common there than here. He got kidnapped by people that wanted money, and something happened. They kept him for like two weeks, and then they eventually released him, and he got sober and he became a Christian, and now they don't serve alcohol. They don't serve alcohol at his hotel or restaurant.

SPEAKER_06 29:31

Did he learn how to speak Spanish better too? Or he already knew how to speak English. He was a national.

SPEAKER_04 29:38

But he did have to find a whatever scope. But they scared the fucking Lord into him and got scared and sober.

SPEAKER_06 29:44

Okay, because they released him, which is very rare. Yeah, really. It's rare. You don't usually with all body parts of the body. Yeah, with everything intact, you don't really get released. But maybe we could start a special spa treatment. Like where we kidnap you, you lose weight, learn Spanish. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 29:57

And then you know just the GLP, just a hood over your head, GLP one. And then they just have nothing but Duolingo headphones. Oh my God. I would love that. We just chuck you in an air-conditioned container.

SPEAKER_06 30:06

Exactly. I mean, I live there, and people use I live in a very I live in a a Mexican more Mexican neighborhood, so I do tend to speak a little bit of Spanish to my neighbors. And it's uh it's but it's with it, it's an A.

SPEAKER_02 30:17

I mean, you literally live in a Mexican neighborhood.

SPEAKER_06 30:19

Well, I live in Mexico, and but I live in a more not a tourist neighborhood. Oh, yeah, yeah. I live, that's what I meant. I don't live in a tourist neighborhood, which I prefer because gringos and groups are awful. Yeah. We're awful. This is where we're gonna go next.

SPEAKER_04 30:31

I want to just take a quick break. We'll be right back, and we want to go. I want to talk to you some more about this because this is a really hot topic for me. Uh, you're listening to Trigger Warning and watching Trigger Warning. We'll be right back with Head of Lettuce.

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SPEAKER_04 31:45

All right, we're back at Trigger Warning. My name is Daniel Nordicio. I'm Adam Clutch, we're here with Hedda Lennez. So, Hedda, uh, you live in Mexico, as do I part of the time. So S is Adam, we can land for 36 hours. And so we um have you uh have you experienced a big backlash A as an American? Like have you experienced because now there's this sort of uh sentiment that's happening.

SPEAKER_06 32:04

No, no, I don't I uh in all honest because you know, uh as best as I as I can, I really uh ingratiate myself to the community I live in. You see, I because I you know I come from a family of immigrants, so I know what the immigrant experience was. Where's your family from? Italy. Italy, right? Interestingly enough, my aunt Connie was telling me about the stories when they came here and they lived in the tenements in New York City, and it's very similar to the people in my neighborhood, how they all lived in what the families living in the house and all the kids and all that. And she was expressing the house, you know, and they were expressing the joy like that. She was talking about in a very joyful way. So, and I all the old ladies remind me of my grandmother there, you know. They remind me of my Italian grandmother. So I I try to as best I can not be an asshole because there's lots of assholes. So I personally don't have any problems because I'm very aware of uh as aware as I possibly can be of my behavior. That town is full of assholes, and so I and I and I'm very grateful to be living there, and and the life that I have there is really lovely. So, in that way, I just try I I mean, I do realize I do need to study Spanish more because if I'm going to live there the way I like to live, because I'm realizing being here back in the States again, I realize that it is my home. That's my home more so now. It really is. I really feel it. I love the simplicity of it. It's it's like an over 55 community, it's wonderful. It's like, you know, you have everything in walking distance. I walk to work, I go here, I go there. I I meet Prinzo Coffee, I walk my dogs everywhere, and I and and the simplicity is what makes it so charming. Totally. And the nature and the dogs I know in the neighborhood, all the dogs I know that because they're you know, there's a lot of stray dogs and a lot of dogs that are free range that have owners, but they have their own actual life on their own, too. And I know all my dogs. I know the names of all the dogs in my neighborhood, and I and my and I really appreciate it. The only the only uh thing that I have that's a detriment is my inability to speak the language better. And that's something I have to work on. And you know, granted, I grew up with you know several learning disabilities, as they would say, like um, you know, ADD, and I have a lot of other things that make it difficult. They didn't because when I grew up, they didn't know what those things were. Right. So I just didn't have any I didn't have any help in those areas, and so I find it very challenging. I when I see a problem sometimes, I crumble. I can't just look at the moment, I see the big picture and I go and I free and I go into total freeze mode. I just freeze. And it's been my issue, and I try to learn the best I can, but that is the only thing that I find that if I was better at that, my life would be infinitely better there because there's so many lovely people that I cannot get to. I 100% agree. Across the street from us, that restaurant, the woman, yeah. But even though you don't speak the language though, you do get to know people in a lovely way as well. So it's not always dependent on that. Just all our point of stuff. There's different ways of relationships are always different. And and um, you know, the similarity between Fire Island and Puerto Vallarta is very there's a similarity because the friendliness of it. Here, as in PV, people say hello to each other in the morning. Right, yeah. And I miss that. And I in New York City, if you do that to certain neighbors, especially certain, they're like, what the fuck do you want me? Leave me alone. So I miss getting up in the morning and saying buenos dias to my neighbors, buenas noches, but it's not and that's lovely. That whole aspect is lovely. Do I feel they were do I feel there's I think it's more Mexico City.

SPEAKER_04 35:22

There's a lot going on.

SPEAKER_06 35:23

Well, and I don't know if I maybe, and I think a lot of it is also hyped up on the on the internet because it it it gets clicks. Yeah. So I don't, you know, I when I was there visiting, I don't know, I don't I'm not living there, but I'm visiting, but I didn't see anything going on, but that's not that it doesn't mean it's not. But I just uh when you have um a group of people that want to bring their life from one place to another and not sort of like try to integrate themselves in a healthier way. Like, you know, but we live in a world now where it's you know it's it's not it it's easier to migrate to place to go places, so it's not the same as it used to be.

SPEAKER_02 36:01

But I relate on I relate to all of that on such a deep level. Like I don't New York City doesn't feel like home anymore because of whatever's happened to it commercialism, the economics, whatever. I feel at home here in Fire Island. Yeah, I feel at home in Berlin, Germany, and I feel at home in Zipoli today.

SPEAKER_06 36:16

And I think that probably the common thing about it, and Berlin's a big city, but I'm sure it's small in certain ways. Is it sometimes It's only three and a half million people? That's only three, which is not that big, actually. Yeah, it's a third of New York City. But it is, you know, especially as you get older, I think you appreciate that more. Yeah, that that you realize, oh, the simplicity. There's a lot of there's a lot of this it's not boredom. Simplicity and boredom are not the same thing. They're not the same thing. It's not the same thing. It that there's some there's joy in it.

SPEAKER_02 36:40

And it's a large, flat city, so like you've got room for parks and you've got the river, and everyone only shops for two days worth of groceries. See people at the market all the time.

SPEAKER_06 36:50

And I live right near the market, and my house is right on the river. So the proximity to nature, when I isn't a Walmart, there's no Walmart. When I open the door, my view is the river in the mountains. And you know, I was thinking about it here, and my dogs stay there for the summer, and I miss my dog syphilis and gonorrhea stay there for the summer. And uh, but they you know, they're running rampant here, but they stay there, you know. But no, and I miss them terribly. Yeah, so uh I didn't, you know.

SPEAKER_02 37:15

That's a tough one, yeah.

SPEAKER_06 37:16

It's real tough for me because right now I'm feeling very good.

SPEAKER_02 37:18

I didn't realize we had so many things in common. Like I my pit bull passed away two years ago, but like he stayed in Berlin because it was just the travel didn't work. So my business partner Kenny would take care of him and then I would fly back and went.

SPEAKER_06 37:29

It's hard, you know. I I also suffer from paranoia because of the current administration. I'm afraid of bringing my dog here because I'm afraid something's gonna happen. Someone's gonna fuck with me as I'm leaving here and I'm gonna be separated from my dog and I will drop dead. So I have the same gay couple that lives in my house in Mexico, and they and they and they're not me, but they're really good.

SPEAKER_02 37:46

Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 37:47

And they take care of them, so I don't feel that anxiety. What I experience is loneliness, which is different. Yeah, I experience, I realize how much, and to any pet owner out there, people I realize how much I need.

SPEAKER_02 37:58

Oh, you were preaching to the how much I need them.

SPEAKER_06 38:00

Because I have a lot of well, I have a P T S D. I know that's a word that's thrown around a lot today, but a lot of other stuff we, you know, and so I will they bring the comfort. There, they are my my service animal in a sense. They are totally nice. I get it.

SPEAKER_04 38:14

You're totally 100%.

SPEAKER_06 38:16

So right now I'm on my own and it's very weird. My point, my purpose in life has changed because I'm not walking the dogs, and I'm I'm a little without like a ship without a rudder, and I don't like it.

SPEAKER_04 38:25

You know what's been really kind of great is I told uh I Adam knows this, I might have mentioned it on the air, is Volaris, which is this kind of low budget, you know, Latin America airline. They have an annual pass for $600 you can fly for free for a year.

SPEAKER_07 38:37

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 38:37

Right. Well, I've joined it, and I now have got this feeling like I'm gonna go down. I look just now, I could go down on Tuesday for $100 round trip.

SPEAKER_06 38:44

That's wonderful.

SPEAKER_04 38:45

So I'm thinking I'm gonna do that, and then I can just go for two or three days. Then I can go for five days. I don't have to go for mud. Because before when you're spending $1,500, it's like you want to stay. You gotta make it worth it. Now I can go down there, zip down there. I like planes. Now I'm really into flying. It's people leave me alone. I just, you know, read book or whatever. He's got a new hoodie that has to be. I got this hoodie now that has a zipper here. Oh, that's wonderful. And it has a built-in thing that you put over your eyes. Oh, that's wonderful. See, I just get on the plane, fall asleep, leave me alone. And it's a no but low budget airline. So I don't want to give them anything. I don't want to look and see water.

SPEAKER_06 39:16

I just want to sit there and get to the word my destination.

SPEAKER_04 39:20

That you don't want you want to buy something because they're gonna try to sell you to the stuff. Yeah, they don't want to upsell you. Anyway, I love Mexico. You're preaching to the choir. The one thing I'll say about it is it is it's been tough is when people have kind of we talked about this attack because you know, your gringo moving down there gonna make things more expensive. I said, you know, um I a lot of Mexicans moved here for a better life, and a lot of Americans are moving down there for their idea of what a better life is. What you're talking about is simplicity. I'm it's sad that we're making Mexicans feel bad for moving here for a better life, and then Mexic not all, but sometimes people there want us to not move there for a better life. Better life is all relative. They're talking about money, we're talking about like it's enough here. Yeah, it's too much.

SPEAKER_06 40:01

Well, the Puerto Vallarta is a is a tourist town, and um there is that you know, Tucker, where they rely on us or tourists, not just from the United States, from all over, to keep them afloat. And then they you know, they've gotten used to the the lifestyle they're accustomed to. They do have a it has provided for a lot. Um there's a balance that I I think I mean there are Puerto Vallarta is developing quite a lot. Yes, that's right. And that's and that's a challenge too. I just think that it there's if people you know, I've seen people do this and it's so awful. Like, I don't understand how Republicans can disassociate and go to Mexico. I still don't understand that. If you're all the and but I've seen people being so mean sometimes to like dismissive. Yeah, I'm like, what is wrong with you? Yeah, yeah. So hateful of people of color. I think just what is wrong with you? What is wrong with you? You know, and I And they give us such a bad reputation because on a whole, so I think that a healthy mix is 80% Mexican and 20% whatever else. Right. Yeah, I think that's an and that's the neighborhood I I live in. Because I couldn't live in a tourist neighborhood because I do not want to be around that level of entitlement. They want to live in a basically a gated community. I don't like living like that. I like living in a neighborhood. Yeah, and even though it may be difficult because of language, I like to get my like to know my neighbors and know my neighborhood because that's where you find that's how it becomes a rich experience. So 100%. Because people go into they go to Cancun, they go to an all-inclusive resort. They're not really seeing Mexico. So I I'm a sandals and I guess it's part of me being a New Yorker because I lived in dicey neighborhoods, but there's say dicey. So it doesn't throw it doesn't frighten me to move into a neighborhood that I'm like, oh, I don't know anything. You know, it's not an you know, accommodating to be careful when I walk home at night. That has never been my because when I moved into my neighborhood 10 years ago, it was a little, wow, what's going on here?

SPEAKER_04 41:48

Right. You know, wow. And learning the language is key. And I think all three of us really need to do that. Because like for me, I've noticed that it keeps me. I I so when we bought the property on the beach, we bought it from this lovely couple, and she had a restaurant and he had a motorcycle shop, and it was that that was where, and they moved, they got it, they did great. They moved, she moved to a restaurant. I still I go in there, and sometimes Lise is her name, the sweetest lady, you know what I'm talking about, Kellico. And she goes, oh la blah blah blah blah. And she goes, and I go, uh and she goes, Daniel. She just says that, like, Daniel, learn Spanish. Like she didn't say learn Spanish, but Daniel, and I go, I know, I'm sorry, you know. I'm learning like I and I'm embarrassed. They want to communicate with me now. And so you're right.

SPEAKER_06 42:28

You do the best you can, also if you have a situation, you know, because sometimes the pressure of it seems so daunting. Right. Um, but you just do the best you can. Uh you someone told me, which I do believe is true when I did it, learn five new words a day. Right. At the very least, learn five new words a day.

SPEAKER_04 42:45

The one word they keep calling me, what I'd love to know, is pendejo. I can't I hear pendejo all the time. I'm assuming that's like a nickname like a sweet young guy.

SPEAKER_06 42:53

Mariposa, have they thrown that at you?

SPEAKER_02 42:54

Diablo Blanco, Diablo Blanco. Diablo Blanco contains.

SPEAKER_06 42:58

Mariposa is butterfly, which is a is a derogatory term for days. Like fairy.

SPEAKER_02 43:03

Yeah, mariposa. Which I don't particularly mind. Or maricone.

SPEAKER_04 43:06

So uh I have a thing for you, real quickly. I'm gonna name four uh four of our well-known New York queens. I want you to tell me the first thing that comes to your mind, okay? They're not only New York queens, okay.

SPEAKER_02 43:14

Bianca Del Rio. Not funny. Man in a dress. Oh, sorry, just her? Sherry Vine.

SPEAKER_06 43:19

Old.

SPEAKER_02 43:20

Shakita.

SPEAKER_06 43:21

Oh, Shakuita. Oh, Shakui. Oh, do we have all day? Oh, Shakita. Oh, Shakita. Pass. Pass.

SPEAKER_04 43:30

Uh Coco Peru.

SPEAKER_06 43:31

Oh, Coco Peru. Oh, same wig.

SPEAKER_04 43:34

Same wig.

SPEAKER_06 43:35

Say, oh, that wig. Oh, that wig.

SPEAKER_04 43:36

The one that I Lady Bunny.

SPEAKER_06 43:39

Oh, oh, oh. Historonic. Is that that word? Historic. I so much history.

SPEAKER_04 43:46

Oh my god. Historonic is like drag uh dram dramatic.

SPEAKER_06 43:49

That's what it is? Oh yeah, yeah. She's history. Oh, histrionic. Yeah, yeah. Yes. That's yes. That's pretty good. Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 43:55

Yeah, I like that. Did you uh you have some one you one that you wanted to say something about? I can feel like you're about to say Chiquita. Black.

SPEAKER_06 44:01

Well, that was my first one. I was like black. She dresses nicely. She's a great dresser. No, she dresses nicely.

SPEAKER_02 44:10

Professional.

SPEAKER_06 44:11

Okay.

SPEAKER_02 44:11

She's very much like you. She shows up like with a set list, songs in cue.

SPEAKER_06 44:15

No, no, she's old school.

SPEAKER_02 44:16

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_06 44:17

So no, no, no, no. And that's very hard to find because you know that it's impossible.

SPEAKER_04 44:21

They all are, except for one of the names that I named. They are all professional. Who's the one some professional?

SPEAKER_06 44:26

All of them, all of them. You know, all the general Sherry Vine, Bianca, uh, Shakita, um, they are very they're old school mentalities, whether they came from that or not, it's very different. Lighting keys. No, no, even just showing up and like just you know, and and not a lot of drama. No, right. Not drawing. Nothing but drama. No, but Bunny and I, we've had challenging, because you know, years ago when I was uh um in my salad days, um I was a bit of an upstart. You know, you you're trying to make yourself a name in the city. Sometimes you you do things that perhaps aren't the wisest. When she had Wigstock and that year that it was out out ousted from the park, right, and she went inside to the Palladium. Well, she did it indoors. Yeah. I decided at a pyramid or something? Yeah, I not at the pyramid, it was a big place she did it, but it was not it was like only two thousand people could fit in a tops or something like that. But it was an indoors where was it?

SPEAKER_02 45:18

It had to be on the Western Hall.

SPEAKER_06 45:19

So yeah, so and I decided I was gonna do I was like, fuck you, I'm gonna do this. And we did drag a palooza in Tompkins Square Park, which turned to be a big drag picnic. Yeah, and it became this big thing. My mother even came with my sister-in-law and they made sandwiches for all these people. It was really weird. Very interesting. So we did a drag macarena, we did this whole thing, and all and I was despised by people in the drag community. I had a fatwa on my head.

SPEAKER_02 45:44

Yeah, but bunny, I was a drag scab. Because I was a scab. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_06 45:48

And I did something I shouldn't have done. And in retrospect, I I don't regret it in one way because my mother was there and that was lovely, and my family, and I had a lot of fun. How I went about it, not so great. You know what I mean? And that's the kind of thing like I'm like, oh now, but I was young, and when you're young that way, you're kind of like, oh, I'm gonna do, I'm gonna do it.

SPEAKER_02 46:05

Did you have like young, messy days where you're just like, I'll do everything. And that's what I was.

SPEAKER_06 46:08

That's what that's what it was. It was like that was it. And I was like, I was like, fuck, I don't care, but I wasn't even thinking, you know, I didn't think about the feet I was stepping on by doing that, and and the lineage uh and also the the history of what she was doing. Right. And it's that when you're young, you don't think sometimes you don't think I didn't wasn't that kind of queen. There's some other queens who are much better at than I I was not. I was just I react, I'm very impulsive. I'm an impulsive person. So I think about I gotta do this, I'm gonna do this. And it was it was crazy. Because I can imagine young heads. It was great. And it was awful at this for me uh in terms of community-wise, totally it was bad. So you never apologized to Mink Stoll. I oh Mink Stall when we did Sleeping with Straight Men, that play, and I I you know You guys clashed.

SPEAKER_04 46:48

We clashed Mink Stall, by the way, from John.

SPEAKER_06 46:51

We were really close, and then I betrayed her somehow, which I don't really remember exactly at this point because we were all really fucked up. We were all we were all indifferent. I'm not saying I'm not sure if Mink was, but the rest of the cast was high off our asses. In fact, the show got so bad. What was the drug of choice in the cast? Uh we would drink pills and booze and whatever else they can get their hands on, but half the cast was picketing the show outside at one point to shut it down. That's how bad it got. That's how bad it got. My biggest regret was not getting the pill bottle that had Mink Stoll's name on it. Someone got her pill. I don't know how they got it, but they had a pill prescription bottle with Mink Stoll. I wish I had that. But she gave me a signed CD of her music, and somehow I we went backstage to see um to see a hairspray when when Harvey Feerstein was in it. And I to be real honest with you, I don't remember exactly what I did, but whatever I did was really bad. Oh, okay. Because she I don't remember exactly the time because I was loaded, other people were loaded in the cast. We were all like one of the cast members died from the from addiction. Oh wow, she was a beautiful guy, you know, and um, and it was just a shit show. The whole thing was a real shit show.

SPEAKER_04 47:59

Uh but I I remember just because you asked for her email.

SPEAKER_06 48:03

I never did response because I didn't know what to say yet, and I can't. I'll write it for you. I don't even know. Chat BP will kill a pond. Drain a pond, write it. Drain a pond. Drain a pond and write an apology to Mink stole from me. But I I do think I was only Lake Geary to make amends to it. I mean, I'm not gonna I can make an amends to her now and say, I'm sorry, Mink, because I definitely I know I did something. I'm not exactly sure what I did, yeah, but I know it wasn't good because you she was so nice to me.

SPEAKER_04 48:31

You know what I've really learned about amends or you know, apologies is it really does make the person that gets it feel feel good sometimes, if if in fact they remember what happened. Like I said, I've had friends come to me and you know they're newly sober and they start to apologize, and you're like, girl, I don't even remember this. Yeah. But sometimes there have been people to apologize, and you're like, I really am happy. Like you acknowledge that.

SPEAKER_06 48:52

I don't know how she would react to it because I frankly I really don't remember a hundred percent what happened, but I know it wasn't good.

SPEAKER_02 48:58

The worst is when you make amends to somebody and they say the best thing you can do is take care of yourself and stay out of my mind. Do you know that's what I'm afraid? That's what I'm afraid she'd say to me. I've gotten one of those to one of my emotions.

SPEAKER_06 49:08

I think that's partially my my hesitation. I got one of those from an ex. I think, and I would like I I would hate to get a nasty message all these years, 20 years later. I get that 25 years from mixing.

SPEAKER_02 49:18

That's when you know they're really carrying it.

SPEAKER_05 49:20

Not that she giving gets you, she may not even fucking remember nasty message. Well, she's a little old lady now.

SPEAKER_02 49:23

She was at Red Eye not that long ago. She's a little old lady. I think she's always been a little old lady.

SPEAKER_06 49:28

I'm thinking this shit, and she may have not even, she'd be like, I don't know. It was a nightmare for all of us. Yeah, yeah, totally. You know, I might be. I mean, I lip synced Mariah Carey in that fucking show. Talk about awful. I was I was behind the two characters. It was a straight guy, a gay guy going after a straight guy. That was the whole premise, that whole desperation. And Ronnie Larson wrote the play. Oh, I know. And you know Ronnie Larson. I was behind, no, I was no, I don't even know if the song was out then yet. And I was lip-syncing a Mariah Carey song behind them like a phantom. It was awful. The play was awful. Sounds like a fever dream. It was like a fever dream, but John Waters came to see Mink Stoll in that fucking play.

SPEAKER_02 50:07

And he probably said, What a bucket of trash.

SPEAKER_06 50:09

I I wonder what he said to her afterwards because it was a bucket of proof. He said, Here's your pills. You know what? We were all getting paid. And you know what? I got the door. There was a the set, because at the end they were throwing the set away, and that my bathroom door is the door from the from this play. I got the community theater. I took the fucking door. I took I took the fucking door.

SPEAKER_04 50:31

Well, um the name of the show is called Trigger Warning for a reason. We talk about what triggers us, and um, we end the show. It doesn't have to be long, it doesn't even have to make sense. But do you have a trigger time it doesn't? I have a trigger. You have a trigger, wow. Okay.

SPEAKER_02 50:45

Go ahead. You want to do it now? Go. You want me to go first? Go for it. Mine's basically what what we're recording in. I'm I'm really kind of over the day drinking messiness, which is it might get us into trouble because it's our our line of business. But we call them I can't believe I'm gonna say this. Whatever, fuck it. It's I hope people are triggered. We call them clits out here. Clits? Cheap Long Island trash. Oh, that's fine. I can't, I'm I'm just I hit a point in the summer. It's it's right around this point, it's around gay pride, 4th of July, where it's that Becky, where are you going?

SPEAKER_00 51:22

I lost my flip-flop. Oh, Sarah was cute.

SPEAKER_04 51:26

There was toilet. There were two at um Shakuaita Show last night.

SPEAKER_02 51:29

Oh my god, the one girl screaming at Shakuita Show.

SPEAKER_00 51:32

It's Glenn, get my mummy.

SPEAKER_02 51:35

I can't, I can't.

SPEAKER_06 51:36

Day tripping trash is what I'm saying. Day dripping trash. Long island's hard.

SPEAKER_02 51:40

It's trash. I'm fine with people drinking like like Long Island is like northeastern Ohio. From Northeastern Ohio. It's they're the same thing. It's flat landed, cases of Bud Light.

SPEAKER_04 51:49

There's different things. There are different things. Like, for instance, I love Jersey trash. Like I want to have sex with a lot of guys. Long Island trash does not really turn me out. But Jersey trash, like the Jersey. Jersey trash has a six-pack, but there's six pack. How about Staten Island? Uh I got one guy from Staten Island that I yeah, he's a fucking two decades of he was he was 19 and he's 29 now and he's still a prime beef.

SPEAKER_06 52:15

Oh, you're so lucky to have a big thing.

SPEAKER_04 52:16

Yeah, no, he literally comes over. It's an extended run. We have been going at him for straight brome, straight. I won't hear from him for like six months because he gets a girlfriend. And I'm like, you know what? That's fine with me. Then he comes over and he's a two-beer queer. Yeah, totally.

SPEAKER_06 52:30

I have those in in Porta Vallarta. I have a lot of those. I have a lot of those too.

SPEAKER_04 52:35

But I had to stop because he really likes the nose candy, and I just was getting to the point where I just don't want it around me in my apartment or anything. You know? No. You gotta get rid of that. I right now I'm in a I'm very much into a sweeping thing. Uh I'll say mine real quickly. People, when I go to see a show, I want to fuck someone from Jersey now. I don't go to shows very often. I know, right?

SPEAKER_03 52:54

Let's just do it.

SPEAKER_04 52:55

Uh uh, when I go to see a show, like I did last night, people know me because of what I do for a living. They sit down next to me, I'm watching the show, and they just start talking to me. Yeah. Like the show's not happening. So Shakwe was on. It's not like she's lip syncing. When she's lip-syncing a song, I get it. It's a Mariah Carey song or Whitney song. We've all heard it. I guess it's okay. Soul Manx is doing her pills, and Alettez is walking behind her. There's one guy I won't mention his name, but he's uh he's always wants to DJ for me, and I like him a lot. He's a sweet kid. But he he sat down next to me and he goes, I just DJ'd. Like while Shaqiti's on stage speaking, I just DJed some pride. Like it was like Long Island Pride or Jersey Pride, whatever. Patch on the thing. 5,000 people, man. I fucking slayed. I'm sitting there thinking, uh I love that you looked over your shoulder like he was about to walk up. No, that was an Ariel came by, her little petite feet. Yeah. Um he then he just starts talking to me about it. Like, and then he goes, and then and blah blah blah. And I'm thinking, and I keep doing this, uh-huh, uh-huh. And then he goes, blah blah. And I'm thinking I hate when people can't read it. I get that. You say he said, I really want to work for you, I really want to do the underwear party. And I always say this to people email me. And they never do. No, they never do it. They just do it when I'm watching a show. You know, I don't go to shows. I went to your, I go to yours once or twice. You didn't come last week. I didn't come last week because I didn't know. I said you were gonna come last week and you didn't come last week. I couldn't. You said, Oh, I'm coming, I'm coming, I'm coming.

SPEAKER_06 54:16

Maybe that's my what are we doing right now? Are we doing uh is that your trigger?

SPEAKER_02 54:20

I don't know.

SPEAKER_06 54:20

That's where I'm triggered now. I'm triggered now. That's a partial trigger.

SPEAKER_02 54:23

I literally I hate a boss that doesn't show up. I couldn't stay on the island any longer.

SPEAKER_04 54:28

I was show to noon.

SPEAKER_06 54:30

You can only handle two days now, you said two days. Oh, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 54:33

And I had been three, and I was like, I got it. And you were cooked by Sunday night. I saw you Sunday night. It's too much right now. It's just too much. I I everyone knows this. I've talked about this. I'm seceded a little bit from nightlife, and then I dipped my toe in Friday night. I twirled, I danced for a little bit. It's Friday night, I had a really good time. Then I went to bed by 12:30, got up. But it's there's just too much, there's too much people, there's too much wanting, there's too much people trying to climb, and I just am like, you know what? I want out, I want to be back in my apartment. Or I'm you know, I'm actually thinking, like I said, Tuesday, I'm thinking of going to Zipolite for a few days because I can for $100.

SPEAKER_06 55:08

I think it's wonderful.

SPEAKER_04 55:09

And then I'm going to Berlin.

SPEAKER_06 55:11

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 55:11

I'm just thinking, I'll go there. It's so simple. People don't want stuff.

SPEAKER_02 55:15

Nobody wants anything from me in Berlin. Except this is happy to see me. I mean, they want this. They want this at CheeseMade. Cheese May's the Naked Bar.

SPEAKER_04 55:22

Cheese May's the naked bar where everybody knows Spanish for gossip. That's a good idea. It's to call it the naked bar there. All of a sudden, you go naked and you go naked. Absolutely. It's a naked bar. Totally. You have to be naked. Well, after eight.

SPEAKER_06 55:34

Never go to that bar. Never.

unknown 55:37

Never.

SPEAKER_06 55:38

I've wear a modesty panel.

SPEAKER_02 55:40

You wouldn't sit that fat hog down at a bar still long.

SPEAKER_04 55:43

Oh, I just someone came up to me at the bar the other day and said, This is this is your another. This is had a view on one of the apps. You got a big dick. You got a nice dude. My nudie socials have been passed on. That's a meaty tuck.

SPEAKER_06 55:53

Fat dick. I'm glad we're talking about that. Because I have the laziest tuck in town, and now you know why. Because I've got a meaty cock. I've got a meaty cock.

SPEAKER_04 56:04

It's the Italian in you. You see how the sausage is made. Is Italian then is it Latouce? Latousse. Yeah, because you're Italian.

SPEAKER_06 56:11

My deadbeat dad Romaine. My deadbeat dad romaine.

SPEAKER_04 56:14

Head of Latousse.

SPEAKER_06 56:16

That sounds French, actually. La tuca della cabeça.

SPEAKER_04 56:20

Latoussa would be, yeah. Anyway, what triggers you, Kitten?

SPEAKER_06 56:22

Well, you know what's been bothering me lately? And this is maybe, maybe, maybe this is my kitten. Maybe this is this is a little, maybe this is a little too deep. I don't know, deep. No, whatever. I'm tired of people. I I want to stop. I want to start a program called Please Stop Breeding. Oh, okay. Stop it. No more children. I don't understand this anymore. We love it. This planet is just made for suffering, right? And if you had common sense, you'd be like, I'm not bringing anyone into this planet. But unfortunately, biology overrides our common sense. People don't realize when they say, Oh, I really want a baby, that's what being tricked into having children because we have to, because that's nature, wanting to keep the species alive. But if we used our minds and we'd think, oh my God, what are we doing? Stop it. Just stop it. I did my pet peeves really, people please stop. And we have a surplus of people here that need homes. We've said it on the channel. So I want to stop the plea. And I think you have to put please in front of it because they can say it's the sort of lessons the blow. I say, please stop breathing. I'm going to have t-shirts made up.

SPEAKER_02 57:21

On Facebook, nobody should have kids until all the orphanages are empty. Totally.

SPEAKER_04 57:25

And I put on Facebook once tri pregnant women should be treated like smokers. Absolutely.

SPEAKER_06 57:30

Well, that you really know how to push a button because they're causing everyone else a problem.

SPEAKER_04 57:33

They're causing, they're sucking up world responsibility.

SPEAKER_06 57:36

Everyone thinks their child's going to cure cancer. You're lucky if your child is just an average schmuck. Yeah. At the most. An average schmuck, most likely they'll end up being a drug addict or a loser or in the basement masturbating. Or average. Avenue that's a schmuck. If you're lucky, you'll get someone completely or gay baiting on Instagram. People will think they're gonna, my child's gonna be the next president, my child's gonna cure. Forget my child's gonna be different. It's gonna be no, my child's gonna take care of me. No, that doesn't happen. It doesn't happen no longer. It doesn't happen. They're thinking that while they're walking through Walmart with this sort of thing. I I kind of feel, and this is what I've been thinking, the species has done what it can do. It's time to just sort of like let it just while we're far behind.

SPEAKER_04 58:15

First of all, the people, these economies keep having to grow to meet the you know all of the need. If you cut back on the people consistently, then you don't need to produce as much food.

SPEAKER_06 58:24

But we are in a population decline, which is good because people can't afford to have children. Yes, they dumb people, and and I do think the ultra-rich does want to cull the population to uh to so just a workforce. So they want to c get rid of a chunk of us somehow. And it's you know, so it's gonna be quite a shit show the next decade or two. Totally.

SPEAKER_04 58:48

Well, you know what? I I personally think that things like uh not so much AIDS because AIDS was well, no, AIDS too, because it's you know it's not just a gay disease, but these disease come about because Oh, Mother Nature was like it's time to it's time to COVID, it's time to call back out of the city.

SPEAKER_06 59:04

A little bit, yeah. But I just think that people really need to rethink why they're actually having children too. And why they're not adopted. And why they're not adopted. You're lucky your child can it's it's still random, but throw the dice, whether you have it or you adopt it, how it's gonna turn out. Right.

SPEAKER_02 59:17

And also if you're having kids or you're adopting kids, like don't bitch about how your schedule changes having kids. You made that choice. You're like, oh, we wish we could do this, but you know, we've got the kids. Well, uh shut up, just say it can't go.

SPEAKER_06 59:29

Having children bother me more, the ones that do that don't adopt and they want to have their own kids. That really gets my goat.

SPEAKER_04 59:37

But I have so many friends that are doing it that I have to be nice about it. Well, I don't have to be nice.

SPEAKER_06 59:40

I don't know if I've lost half my audience now because they're all they're old, you know, you take the copy kids.

SPEAKER_04 59:46

I want to adopt. That's my whole plan. By 65, I want to adopt a Mexican kid that has a bad home that's around eight years old, or a 19-year-old horse-hung football player. Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 59:56

I oh, oh, that's a whole different thing. That's a whole road we can go. That's a whole different thing. And thank God he was legal. 19 is legal, so that's okay. That's okay. Sort of wrap it up.

SPEAKER_02 1:00:06

Don't talk to Daniel during the shows. Uh, pull your shit together in your afternoon drinking and stop fucking breeding.

SPEAKER_06 1:00:13

I think that's I think that's pretty much it.

SPEAKER_04 1:00:15

Well, I think we nailed it tonight, guys. You've eviscerated one full hour of your life, what, listening to this or watching this? Uh, we want to thank you.

SPEAKER_02 1:00:22

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SPEAKER_04 1:00:51

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