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Episode 10: Navigating Manhood Online - Struggles, Stereotypes, and Finding Authenticity
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Masculinity in the digital age has become a complex landscape to navigate, especially for those seeking authentic representations of what it means to be a good man. In this thought-provoking conversation, Joey and Emmanuel bring their perspectives as social workers and men to examine how online spaces shape our understanding of modern manhood.
The hosts introduce a fascinating concept: the "digital social worker" – professionals who could help mediate online interactions with expertise in human behavior and mental health. As cyberbullying rates continue to rise and young men increasingly turn to the internet for guidance on masculinity, having trained professionals who understand the psychological implications of our digital lives becomes increasingly important.
A central tension emerges throughout the discussion: the pressure men face to present perfect online personas. Emmanuel calls this the "Superman complex" – where society expects men to always embody superhero qualities while rejecting their more vulnerable Clark Kent side. This disconnect between projection and reality creates anxiety and distress for many men trying to navigate social media authenticity.
The hosts offer practical advice for healthier digital engagement: embrace privacy as power (you don't have to share everything), establish clear boundaries with your online presence, and avoid projecting false images that create cognitive dissonance between your online and offline lives. These strategies apply particularly to young men who are still developing their identities and may lack the emotional maturity to handle complex online interactions.
Beyond analysis, the conversation extends a challenge to listeners: can you name five good men with positive online presences? This seemingly simple question highlights a troubling reality – positive male role models often lack visibility in digital spaces, while toxic representations receive amplification.
Ready to join this important conversation about masculinity, mental health, and finding authenticity in digital spaces? Connect with Made Up Memphis to continue exploring what healthy manhood looks like in today's interconnected world.
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Welcome to Made Up Memphis podcast. We are here discussing all the things manhood, masculinity and mental health right, the three M's. Today, specifically, we're going to talk about the online presence of masculinity and how Cheetos can help you with that. So yeah, stay tuned, it's going to be a ride. All right Check you guys later Do not watch the profile because I want the recommendations in the algorithm to be correct for me. If you're throwing in mukbangs and stuff, I don't watch. That bothers me.
Speaker 2:You got to protect your algorithms these days, right? Or you have to be careful. If somebody sends you a weird link or a video, you're like oh, I don't want that on my algorithm. I started a joke series and I want to hear your take on it. But you know you're a millennial, when and then, just what we just talked about is a millennial thing, right?
Speaker 1:Joey, I don't know if you know, but I'm a millennial expert. As a primal millennial myself, I had a very recent video go viral on TikTok and guess what I was talking about? How to spot the difference between a millennial and a Gen Z. And if you don't believe me, it is right here, okay.
Speaker 2:And it gets me closer like every day.
Speaker 1:334k. Love that for me 334,000?
Speaker 2:That's crazy numbers. That's cool though.
Speaker 1:You know I'm an influencer, Kind of a big deal.
Speaker 2:Manny the Magnanimous right.
Speaker 1:Ah, that's me.
Speaker 2:There we go.
Speaker 2:If I'm a fire social worker, oh man, I've been thinking about my whole fire social worker stuff and I'm just like it's all over the place, it's too much. I don't know. Maybe we'll talk offline about that, but like I, just I, I need some, some advice on the socials because I'm I'm not, I don't know. I don't know how to social nowadays. So I'm showing my elder millennial card there, um, but uh, but yeah, yeah, I mean. Yeah, I mean I'll be, I love, I love the uh support and I appreciate that. I don't know what to do with my IG, to be honest, and some of my other socials now, because I feel like it's kind of falling off a little bit. The social media thing is kind of dipping. Maybe You're in the space, so what is your thoughts on the whole social media scene right now? I feel like that's a part of the beauty of it, though is because not every social media scene right now.
Speaker 1:I feel like that's. A part of the beauty of it, though, is because not every social media page is supposed to be so influencer content driven and neat and polished like take it back to its roots, make, keep it organic, like if that's not what you're doing, it's okay, and comparison is the thief of joy. So do what you want to do, what makes you comfortable, because that's what's going to attract those who you're supposed to be around anyway.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and it's actually got me thinking a little bit about social work. You know, we're both social workers and you know how do social workers engage in the digital world? You know what I mean. Like in the social online world. Like you know, like there's no the social online world. Like you know, like there's no, there's no referees online a lot of times. So, um, I was thinking about this and I'm just gonna I'm just throwing this out there, but I'm just curious what your thoughts are on the concept of a digital social worker, basically somebody who patrols the internets and has our expertise and lens and can basically mediate, maybe even like I'm not saying that we'd be the guardians of the internet, but uh, there is, there is. So there are social workers in tech.
Speaker 1:So that's why I was curious to hear what your, what your thoughts on that were so for me, I believe there should be a social worker in every space, because social workers make the world go round, period. I don't care if it's a restaurant, you be a social worker in every space, because social workers make the world go round, period. I don't care if it's a restaurant, you need a social worker. Yes, and I do love the presence of social workers on social media, particularly because I like that there are, that there is a representation of social workers with personality, representation of social workers with personality. Up until very recently, and I do mean like this year, I have not seen social workers portrayed in mainstream media or social media. Well, I take the back of social media, but in mainstream media where it's just, where it's not the archetype and stereotype of oh, we just remove kids, that is, we do so much more.
Speaker 2:That's like 1% of our job, or I don't know, that's if you're in that lane right.
Speaker 1:That's if you're in protective services, child protective services. Social workers pretty much do it all Like, and they're always painted as this, like evil, vindictive. We're going to get your child Like so, seeing real, real people and that's their profession, it's healthy, it's necessary, um, and even as the world evolves, like thinking about ai, you need the input of not just social workers but professionals.
Speaker 1:period yes of how to safely navigate this stuff Because, just like Gen Z was born with a cell phone, gen Alpha is born with AI. It's already here when they get here. So you're going to need professionals who know what they're doing to help them navigate interpersonal relationships. And then interpersonal relationships online, navigating social media spaces, social graces, cyberbullying became huge during the pandemic?
Speaker 1:Yes, because these regular bullies didn't have anything else to do. And then people were negatively empowered online and their thumbs went ablaze and we had all this rise in suicide or unaliving. I don't know what censorship to use. I do, I just don't feel like thinking. But anyways, and that's another thing, like censorship, that's a big deal. It's not just, you know, a cultural thing. It has a real consequence and repercussions and ripples, and it's important of your word choice. Your word choice and language is important. So, with that being said, I want to talk about how men are viewed online, like the male projection and people's perception of male psychology online. And who better to talk about that than two male clinicians? Because I'm kind of tired of the whole trope of. First of all, I'm tired of the whole debating conversation of men versus women letting go it's dead it's clickbait.
Speaker 1:I'm over it. Find another bag, because this one is done. Nonetheless, I do have concerns about what people, what people's expectations are of the modern man, and it's almost like you can't win for losing. So you really have to have your own definition and really sit in your truth and align with those who align with you. I think that's just the remedy for it, because some people like what they like and some people are going to vocalize otherwise, but you got to keep it moving.
Speaker 1:But, as we were saying earlier, with this information space and this tech space, online space and unlimited access and being safe and all that stuff, how do you help, curate and shape what a man is for somebody who's looking for it and they don't know where to start? Some men, some males, may not have a community to look to in person for their emerging manhood, so they are looking online and then they see these examples toxic or otherwise, and that's what they think it is, because that's what's visible. You see what I'm saying? Right, it's shaping that narrative that, first of all, just because it's visible doesn't mean it's right That'll preach. And then, secondly, the balance between absorbing and learning and then just discovering from within. You know what I'm saying, and it's a lot in that, but I would love your take on that, joey.
Speaker 2:Oh man, yeah, this, this is actually something that I've been, I've been thinking about it from the generational lens, of how, like, because I've been going on this retro path lately, just of of thinking about you know that the, you know my, my golden, oh well, not my golden year, sorry, I'm, I'm not, I'm not that old, but you know, I mean, like my, the golden era of your. You know, when you're young and you're you're, you're learning about. You know, like in that period of time for for young men, and then what did we see in the media, what was represented in that? You know, like, when I, so when I was a kid, I'm looking at, um, you know movies like gosh there's so many movies but, like you know, just think of that quintessential 80s movie like goonies or something like that. You know karate, oh, there you go, that's another good one. Um, I wonder why your mind meant to karate, kid.
Speaker 2:But anyways um, but no, that is a classic movie and I love that. And there's there's definitely some some trope, some asian tropes. Let's say you know that didn't? That don't age well, which? A lot of things don't age well in today's world because they just don't.
Speaker 2:We're just in that phase where we're looking back at our most recent past, especially with digital media, we have more documented home videos and things like that. I'm transcribing some of my home videos. I'm just thinking about it from that lens of the 80s, the 90s, the 2000s, the 2010s and how the evolution of what it is, man, you know what I mean. And so I think that's really where we're in, that kind of awkward phase when we're mid. I don't want to call it rebranding, but like it's essentially being redefined. We're in the middle of it, I think you know, and um, and with that I think we have the opportunity to, to drive the, the narrative that kind of meets the moment, and drive the you know the, even socially, trying to drive that and move it forward in a more positive way and kind of, yeah, try to strip away.
Speaker 2:I think if we strip away some of the whole gender ideology stuff in general and just look at each other more broadly, as human beings. I think it will be a lot, it'll be a lot easier, or it would be. You know, it wouldn't be as complicated. You just look at your fellow person as like, okay, you're a human being, you know you are. You are a male, you are female, and I'm going to call you what you, what you are, you know. So, when it comes to the masculinity part, though, I think that's just where we're. We're kind of struggling, I think, culturally and societally, as far as what is that? What is masculinity in 2025? You know, we've been talking about it a little bit and I think, you know I don't know if other men are talking about it like, like we are, but I mean, this is, you know, this is a real, this is a real conversation.
Speaker 1:You know, like this, this wasn't even planned on, like we weren't even sure what you know what what we were going to touch on, but like I want to, I want to, I want to keep it in the arena of online person.
Speaker 1:So I know we were talking about like Instagram earlier and other spaces and you can definitely tell the dates of who's watching by how they comment, regardless of the platform. Who's watching by how they comment, regardless of the platform. I will say that even that stereotype about, like, certain age groups not being as tech savvy, that is not Right. No, that's not true. There's 70 girls on TikTok making a bag, so, but it's so interesting to see everyone's excuse me, like perspectives, you know, and wondering or even investigating, like where did that come from? And I've seen before and we alluded to this in other episodes like how masculinity is so purpose driven, other episodes like how masculinity is so purpose driven and it's that purpose is rooted in capitalism, like the toxic version of masculinity, and we know that. But like, okay, now what? So you identify that?
Speaker 1:Is there a good example of masculinity and is it represented and isn't it represented in the virtual space, online, like? Can you think of five examples of a good quote, unquote good man and what is their online presence? Like, like for real. Like. If you can think of five good men, let us know. Like, drop them in the comments right now.
Speaker 1:Yeah, if you're watching this on the short or episode or whatever YouTube, whatever tell us. And this is not to bash men. I too am a man. I have an X and a Y chromosome, Okay, but I'm making a point that there are good men, making a point that there, there are good men. I think they just need more visibility, particularly on the online space, because so much of lifestyle is online.
Speaker 2:Yes, yes, the bro coach or the, you know the yeah.
Speaker 2:I, I hear you. I think I know what you're like, the online space especially. And that goes back to the um, the concept of a digital social worker. I mean we all can be digital. You know, um, not not basically a police of the digital world. You know like we can be, we can be more civil with each other. We can call people out and say, hey, that was, that was uncool. I mean it's like you know, we're communicating with another human most times. So, yeah, like, treat them like another human because there's somebody reading that and they're a human being. Would you say that to them in person? Probably not, especially when you're hiding behind anonymity and this whole barrier. I hear you.
Speaker 2:I like the idea of five great men. Who has five great men in their life? Let's figure out how many. Do you have one great man in your life? Five might be a stretch, so we could start with one, but I like the idea of trying to make that go viral. Let's try to make being a good man viral and a man doing good deeds. You know, I see people all the time in the nonprofit space and just in the city of Memphis that are doing. You know they're men doing good things and I'll reference, you know, the Made Up Memphis.
Speaker 2:We had a booth at this event on Saturday with Matt. It was Chess oh man, I'm going to butcher the name now. On Saturday with chess oh man, I'm going to butcher the name now, I'm going to have to look it up real quick. But basically it's a mentorship program for young men and women and it teaches them chess. The idea behind the event was it's Master, your Next Move. Behind the event was it's master, your next move, and so, like it's, it's basically a chess club slash community activist Kind of. I think they're also religious too. So, like there, there is just a lot of great like. I have video of that and I'm going to post that eventually from that event. But, man, they just had um great community. You know, people from the community were volunteered to to do that and there was like two, two um men in the that were fellow speakers and one that had put the event on. That were just amazing, you know. And um, after a little break, I'm going to try to remember and pull up their names and stuff, cause I want to. I want to highlight them as as men doing good in the city of Memphis, um, and as part of you know, like we were, we were part of that that event, but it was, uh, it was a great event and I, I, I found two great men right there, you know. Um, so, look, look, start looking around for great men in your life and you might be surprised You'll find someone that are closer than you think.
Speaker 2:The event was the Game Changers Movement and Big Homie Incorporated were the two main presenters and, yeah, they also had Equity Alliance. Anchor in Healing was there, and so, and, and they had a chess tournament. Somebody got a hundred dollar prize. I mean it was a cool event. It was really fun. They were teaching people how to play, so they had different, uh different booths for different, uh, experience levels. So, uh, it was a really great event and that's the kind of stuff that we like to support, um, other people, other businesses, industries that are helping the city of Memphis. So if that sounds like something that you'd be interested in as a Memphis business owner or charity or entity, let us know. Info at MainUpMemphisorg and that's where you can connect with us.
Speaker 1:That is real information. So was the first part absolutely 100%. I think it's going to be really important. I know it's going to be really important that, as we continue to navigate these online spaces, that we are the most accurate of a reflection of the best versions of ourselves. And that's another thing.
Speaker 1:Joey, I don't like when people try to box in manhood and the landscape thereof and the journey and experience thereof, that you're always going to be great. And that's what gives some of the undue pressures of the superhero Superman complex, because everybody wants you to be Superman, but nobody wants Clark Kent. And when you show Clark Kent, it's a problem, it's an issue. There is no Lois Lane Okay, it's just all. No Lois Lane Okay, it's just all, or Lois Lane or whatever floats your boat. But like, the point is, everybody wants Superman, right, and I think it's important for men to understand, especially men who are coming into their manhood, to know that nobody wants you. You don't have to be perfect, because I was about to say nobody wants you to be perfect, but that's a lie. But you don't have to be and take the pressure off, especially for social media, half of it ain't even real. Okay, let's start there Especially nowadays.
Speaker 1:Right. And then, secondly, I want people not just men, but especially men to do stuff for them, like do it because it feels correct, instinctively, like not just because you saw it and you feel like it's the right thing to do, especially if there's no root to it, no grounding, no evidence, you know, give yourself permission to do it, and if you can't, I just gave it to you.
Speaker 2:So yeah, yeah, I love that. And then and I'm just curious, I'm also curious about your thoughts on you know, a young, a young male that's, let's say, in their teens, navigating the online space, uh, trying to figure out their you know, where do I fit into this online space for one? But then also, you know, how does that also coincide into the real world too? Because that's where I think there's also this we're living like these dual lives an online life and then an in real life life, if that makes sense. I've been, I've been thinking about this lately and how I think some people are really into their online life and you know they put a lot of energy into their digital profile and they that's fine. You know, like you know, there's a lot of great stuff that's happening on the Internet innovation, ideas being spread, communities being built and all that. So there are net positives for the Internet in general. But if you're talking to a young man, what kind of advice or what kind of guidance would you give them to navigate that space in a safe way?
Speaker 1:navigate that space, you know, in a safe way. Well, there is power in social media when it comes to, ironically, privacy, because you, you, I don't know if people understand this, but social media can only get what you give it. So if, if you don't post about it, you don't share about it TikTok, tweet, instagram story, whatever, nobody knows right. So in that regard, that context, privacy is power. So you don't have to broadcast all of your stumbles and fumbles, right?
Speaker 1:Now for those who choose to. If you're doing it for the function of sharing, you know authenticity and you know showing hey, I did it you can do it too. If you're trying to be relatable, you know that has its place right. But just every little thing, every little detail, that's unhealthy, we don't need that, it's okay to not share. That's actually one of the first things I would say.
Speaker 2:We don't have to know everything.
Speaker 1:Bring back secrets, bring back journaling, bring back confidentiality. We don't want to know. Okay, it's not for us to know. Take us out the group chat, okay. Second thing I would say is want to know. It's not for us to know. Take us out the group chat.
Speaker 1:Second thing I would say is it's okay to have a boundary which kind of aligns with the first point. You don't have to scroll all the time. You don't have to engage all the time. You don't have to engage all the time. You don't have to respond to every comment, every DM, whatever.
Speaker 1:And then, thirdly, please don't project what you can't prove. Okay, that's how people get caught up. That's how people get all this dissonance. They experience dissonance between, like, what they're actually experiencing and what they're projecting. And then they get anxiety because it does not match. But then I don't know if they ever understand that you're driving that because you're the one posting it right. So again, nobody's asking you to show us. You know, take the curtains back and all that. But you don't have to do a false flex and then upset when it doesn't match in real life, like, for example don't flex that you. There's a popular Negro spiritual by the. The artist's name is Labusi and he says I pulled up to the club gas tank on E. I'm sorry he puts up to the club VIP first of all, which I get because when I go out I like VIP experiences.
Speaker 1:But his gas tank is on E. However, all drinks are on him. You see how that doesn't align. So when you're ready to go home after this club experience, you can't even go home. And that is a funny example, and I know. Those who know what I'm talking about get it. But it's the same thing, like why are you telling me that you know, oh, I'm going to go to Jamaica and you can't pay your bills? And those who know you in real life, and when you see them, you're going to experience more distance because you know that. I know that what you're posting and what you are experiencing are not the same thing, so take the pressure off yourself. Who are you flexing for? These are the real questions. What are you compensating for? It has to be you, unless you are genuinely trying to impress somebody.
Speaker 1:Even why, like, ask yourself the hard questions and answer them, even if you need to do it in the presence of a professional. That's fine. Yes, because it's probably most likely rooted into some, rooted to something much deeper that needs to be addressed right. Um, so that was a lot, but those are the three things I would say for sure.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and honestly it goes. You know there's so much data out there. Now I mean we, we don't have to go onto a social media. You know um, soapbox, but I mean it is something that is relevant in today's era, you know, and so it's something that is um is, as clinicians, it's something that we encounter. And now you know we're dealing with, yeah, like I said, cyberbullying that didn't exist when we were, you know their age, like it was literally just bullying, old school bullying. You know, putting your head in the toilet, that whole thing. You know that. I mean that still exists too. Don't get wrong, bullying hasn't gone away but, like you said, it is now metastasized into the online world and that's just, it's toxic. And you know, I think there are some schools that are starting to ban. I think here in Memphis, there are people schools that are banning phones during school hours.
Speaker 1:Yeah, they have them under lock and hours, yeah, and I'm like I'm under like lock and everything, yeah, yeah, and I think I've heard that it's actually doing okay.
Speaker 2:You know like it's not like some kind of revolt. You know that that's happening. I'm sure the kids are bored a little bit or you know they probably have some anxiety about you know who's messaging me right now. But then, at the same time, do do. Do they even need to be thinking about those things when they're that age? You know like they don't. You know a lot of young, young people just don't quite have the emotional maturity or the emotional intelligence to handle the online space. You know, um, so I don't know you're you're any any thoughts on if there should be age restrictions on social media?
Speaker 1:you know just absolutely there should be age restrictions and also age accommodations. So like I'm a millennial, so chat rooms came out when I was entering the online space but, there were restrictions, like you had to have parental consent and, like you, it was for kids.
Speaker 1:Like, and if it got too rowdy, there was an administrator who would like kick the kids out, like am I saying like, ban them from online and online presence? Just make sure it's appropriate, because there are people who do not have the best intentions for our young people online and we want to protect our young people from those experiences. Right, absolutely. And, with that being said, for those who may have or are experiencing cyberbullying, this is Suicide Prevention Month, so you always have 988 as a resource. You can call or text, which I'm glad they added that feature, yes, and it's free, it's anonymous. They can connect you to resources and if you're in crisis, like you have active thoughts, method and plan and or plan, or you're just having passive thoughts or you just need some support, 988 is a great resource that you can readily assess from your phone or any device. Right? So there's that. Also, mainland Memphis. We will help you and power you around that.
Speaker 1:Other outpatient mental health providers there are supports for you, right? To answer the original question, I think there absolutely should be restrictions, just like any fun place has rules. Right, you go to an amusement park. You must be this tall to ride this ride. It's not because there's something against people who are less than that height. It's because it's a safety feature.
Speaker 2:Yes, it's a liability.
Speaker 1:You will not enjoy the ride if you're falling out of the seat right. You go to the fair. There are certain games you can't play unless you're a certain age. Certain video games you can't play unless you're a certain age because it's not fun. What's fun for me at 31 would be traumatizing for a 9-year-old, you know. So let's not play the exclusivity game. Like. Restrictions can actually bring inclusivity. It just has to be appropriate and in context, yeah, yeah and uh.
Speaker 2:And going back to the 988, the crisis line, um, just a another pitch for that. I just recently somebody had mentioned that it's not necessarily, oh, it's not only for whenever you are, you know, know, suicidal it is when you're in. It is a crisis line. So if you're in crisis, like your definition of crisis and you know like, then go for it, call, call them because they're like you said, there's somebody. They're going to find your resources, they're going to find you or they're going to find your resources, they're going to find you or they're going to be able to talk to you and sometimes, like I mean, a lot, of, a lot of crises can literally be solved by talking to a trained professional or even just another human being. You know, like, don't, don't just go into your chat, gpt, like talk to a human being. You know, talk to an actual human being and um, and it does, yeah, professional preferably, but even if it's something just. You know, talk to an actual human being and um, and it does, yeah, professional preferably, but even if it's something just, you know that you have a family member or friend, somebody that you could reach out to, and that's I mean. And that's where the internet.
Speaker 2:I think a lot of people are turning to the internet for that social, emotional connection, um. So it's, there is a positive aspect to the internet and social media. It's just that, like you said, we need to have guardrails, we need to have um things in place that protect people. Like you know, like you said, it's a safety thing If, if, uh, a carnival ride um operator lets somebody go that's under the height restriction and then that kid, something happens, happens, then they're liable, you know. So I think that's where we we need to have those types of checks and balances for social media.
Speaker 1:So and hard lines, hard lines and they exist. We've got to implement them. You know active supervision. You know it's not the days days you can let your child out in the backyard. I mean you can if you have one. But that type of loose supervision does not translate to an online presence. You need to know what your child is doing on social media. Online period, not just social media their virtual footprint period text messages, phone calls, get into it and they will thank you for it later.
Speaker 2:It could seem invasive at first, but it's for their safety yeah, yeah, I mean, um, you know, like you can, you can exist, uh, in so many different circles online and you can go down all these different rabbit holes and, like you said, um, some of those are not going to be good rabbit holes and most of them are not. You know, um, so that's just the public service announcement, uh, as far as like let's, let's, we all need to work on that. We all need to work together as a community, as a digital community and as future digital social workers, which I am bestowing upon us. That absolutely made up title Digital. Well, I don't know what you think Virtual social worker or digital social worker.
Speaker 1:I think both. Virtual sounds like traditional social workers online Digital sounds more of a range.
Speaker 2:I prefer digital but joey can you tell the audience like some other opportunities to connect with made up memphis coming up yes, uh, man, we have the made up memphis tour, the mindscape tour, and I can actually try to share my screen because I did want to show off all the hard work that is going on behind the scenes with Made Up Memphis, because you know this is a um, you know, I feel like Made Up Memphis is a fun, a fun organization, but then we also care. We genuinely care about um, about helping people with their, with their mental health and their finances. And cheese curds, cheese curls or curds I'm sorry, I'm butchering it.
Speaker 1:You're not. I've said both and I didn't think you were going to call it out, but it happened.
Speaker 2:Well, you know, our audience is very eagle-eyed or eagle-eared. They can hear everything and they call you out Eagle-eared, Eagle-eared. That's a thing, right? I just made that up.
Speaker 1:I want to let you have it, but I can't.
Speaker 2:But it's unique, right Eagle-eared, you know, do they have ears? I'm butchering this that you are butchering.
Speaker 1:Yes, yes. So how can we connect with Made Up Memphis?
Speaker 2:But yes, info at madeupmemphisorg. That's a great way to get connected with Made Up Memphis. That's like our one-stop shop. Just email us, say, hey, I want to volunteer, hey, I want to. You know the next? Because the next month, next month, is going to be insane. We're going to have like four different events at different venues across Memphis, shelby County. So, yes, it's on Eventbrite. So, yes, you can find us on Eventbrite. Look up MainUp Memphis on Eventbrite. Hey, thank you guys. I appreciate y'all for joining us. My name is Joey Laswell and this is Emmanuel Morris. We are the Mood Dudes and this has been the MainUp Memphis podcast.