16: Parasites, Lyme Disease & Cellcore: What Actually Heals Chronic Illness with Dr. Todd Watts

I'll be upfront. I walked into my first encounter with Dr. Todd Watts as a full-on skeptic.

I'm an MD. I like data. I've literally told vendors at conference booths, hey, I'm not buying anything, fair warning. That's just who I am.

But I remember standing in that conference room years ago watching Todd present on parasites, a topic I had barely touched in fifteen years of conventional practice, and something just landed. I thought, that guy is solid. Something genuine is happening there. I didn't know much about him at all, but I trusted him.

That was the beginning of a journey I didn't see coming.

Dr. Watts is the co-founder of Cellcore Biosciences, a supplement company built around supporting the body's detox pathways starting at the cellular level. He came to this work through a second career, his own Lyme disease diagnosis, years of joint pain and fatigue that doctors shrugged off as normal aging, and a quiet refusal to give up on patients the way the system had given up on him.

What we talk about in this episode goes way beyond products and protocols. It's about what actually drives a practitioner. The kind of care that doesn't quit when the obvious answers run out.

Dr. Watts shares the story of a woman who came to him having twenty-five seizures a day, being carried into his clinic. She now runs one of the fastest-growing interior design businesses in the Boise valley. He talks about a family whose anxiety and mood collapse traced back to black mold consuming their entire attic. Thirty days on a binder protocol and their lives changed.

He also says something I think a lot of us in this space feel but don't always say out loud. You can't keep giving from empty. Practitioners with the biggest hearts have to be the most intentional about refueling. That one hit home for me.

And if you're a patient listening, this conversation is a window into what it feels like when a practitioner genuinely refuses to give up on you. That kind of care exists. It matters more than most people know.

Everything here is educational. These are recommendations, not diagnoses or treatments.

What we get into: Lyme disease, Babesia, parasites, mold and mycotoxin illness, heavy metals, plant-based medicine, peptides, trauma and chronic illness, emotional health as root-cause medicine

People and resources mentioned: Dr. Todd Watts and Dr. Jay Davidson, co-founders of Cellcore Biosciences at cellcore.com. The Eco Conference, Cellcore's annual practitioner event, is the first week of May in Boise, Idaho. Find it under Events at cellcore.com. 

If something in this conversation resonated, head to RootSeekHealth.com and take the free health quiz. It's a quick way to start figuring out what might be going on beneath the surface and what kind of support could actually move things forward for you.

And if you're a practitioner who's been on the fence about Eco, I've gone five times. I've cried four of those five times, and I'm not an easy crier. That's really all I'll say about that.

Until next time. Keep it real. Peace be with you. — Dr. Mark Su

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Transcript

Welcome And What We Stand For

Dr. Mark Su 0:09

I'm Dr. Mark Sue and welcome to the Functional Medicine Reality Podcast. Join me and our community weekly as we bring you unfiltered health from inflammation to longevity. Real stories, real people, real solutions. Experience real life health changes from both patients and practitioners. And learn how to turn cutting-edge information into real results in your own life so you can feel better, live longer, live healthier, and be confident and clear in your healthcare choices. Let's get real and get results. Hi guys, welcome back to the Functional Medicine Reality Podcast. I'm your host, I'm Dr. Mark Sue. I'm here today with Dr. Todd Watts. He is a really special person in my heart and in my professional journey. While we may not know each other for for a great length of time and really more familiar than we are, Todd, I think I've told you before that I feel very connected with you on from my side for many reasons that we won't get into now. But uh the intention of this session here is several fold. This is one of the rotating sessions, the interviews we do with a professional. And in this case, it's a little less about specific healthcare topics. It's a little bit more of an insight into an individual who has really influenced me with humility and heart and who I look up to greatly, and someone who also has an extremely diverse and wealth of experience in the healthcare arena, not so much necessarily just as a practitioner, but as a um an entrepreneur and also someone who's been who's who's manifested extreme, in my opinion, um influence and benefit to the practitioner and patient community exponentially beyond what you can do in your own given limited time in a day or week through the Cellcore company, the supplement company that you co-founded, founded, co-founded. Um anyway, that being said, uh let me go ahead and just let you introduce yourself just for a brief bit here, Dr. Todd, and then we'll kind of jump in. Is that cool?

SPEAKER_00 2:10

Yeah, it's great. So I'm Dr. Todd Watts. I am out of Boise, Idaho area. And they started Cellcore back in 2017, and Dr. Jay Davidson joined me at that time as well. I have four kids and two girls and two boys, and they are amazing in my life. My wife is uh very supportive, really helped me quite a bit in in my clinic when I started that up in 2013. So I started my practice when I was 45 years old, so my second career after 2008, which wasn't very great for the economy. I was in the real estate business, the mortgage business. I had, you know, I had decided to make a career path change. We go back to school in 2009 and then 2013 uh graduated and started practice. In the 17s when we started, like I said, the Cell Corps.

SPEAKER_01 2:53

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 2:54

Um, it's just been a great run of you know, my own personal history has guided me here. Uh and as a kid, my mom would take us to the chiropractor, and once I did muscle testing and nutrition. And so I've been exposed to that since I was young. I remember in high school, you know, playing basketball tournaments in between games, and mom would take me to the chiropractor to get adjusted, and then we go back to the game. And you know halftime? Not halftime, not halftime, but just in between games. So we'd finish one game. Like at tournaments, okay, got it. Wow, really? Yeah. And so, you know, because you get injuries, you know, between ankle injuries, back injuries, all that stuff. I was very I was a very intense kind of personality when I was a teenager, really wanted to win. And uh so my my journey was with my own health is is going through a little bit more of that natural route throughout my life. And then uh 28, I got Epstein Bar virus. That kind of put me back a little bit, and then in my 30s, developed allergies, went pain and some headaches, and then at 40, I uh, you know, I was actually in chiropractic school going to a conference, you know, uh this guy was talking about Lyme disease, and I had all these symptoms he was talking about. So later I got tested at positive for Lyme and Bibesia, and then my journey of dealing with my own health issues and everything that that I was going through and struggling with. You know, I was able to learn firsthand as I started practice four years later and having experienced my own journey and then other people's and going in, spending time in those clinics, and then then just working with my own patients through that process and then learning about parasites and then mycotoxinal illness and then uh you know heavy metals and bringing it all together. That's what Cellcore and Dr. J and I did. We brought it all together because his wife had Lyme disease a couple of times really bad, almost died twice. And so we came together, partnered up, and just we were able to bring amazing protocols to the world with this with Cellcore of helping a lot of people down this pathway because it was my journey and his wife's journey, which was his journey to help her out. And so I've been super blessed in in so many ways of being able to, you know, in 2008 lose everything uh, you know, financially, but then yet in the same way gain everything because I learned about what was going on in my own health instead of just struggling for years and not figuring it out. Because nobody had figured it out before that. Doctors like, oh, it's just arthritis, you're 40, this is normal. Or uh, you know, other doctors, you know, chiropractors and nature paths not understanding at that time these things because it wasn't really well known.

Lyme Mold Parasites The Wake Up

Dr. Mark Su 5:17

Yeah. No, I love I love your comment there about I mean it's it's actually very beautiful, not shockingly, coming from me about losing losing so much, losing everything, but there's there's silver lines of the the cliche term, right? There's silver lines to things, but it's really I don't know, for me, it's extremely difficult to actually embrace those kind that that positivity. It's not so much my makeup, all right. But so when I hear people like patients commonly, but a lot of us as practitioners who've gone through that those roads also, to be able to see that and and actually own it with with authentic with authenticity about the um the posit not just the positivity, but the the purpose um and and the missions behind that and what comes out of that. It's it's it's like I think about like Phoenix rising. It's just I'm in all of it because I it's not how I'm made, it's not how I'm wired. Uh so I'll have to learn that over time.

SPEAKER_00 6:04

So there's a phrase that my wife and I talk about, but I I came up with and talked, you know, I talked to my c clients and patients about all the time. I said, the gift is in the struggle. Through the struggle is where you're going to be able to come out on top and understand why you needed to go through that and learn and what is it that you learn from it. And if you become a victim to it, that's not the idea. The the idea is what you're learning from it, what you're taking away that it wasn't you know more of the gift to you for you to be prepared to help others or to be able to progress in this life.

Dr. Mark Su 6:34

Yeah. Yeah. God bless you for having for walking through that, right? Because even if you're kind of wired more that way or you have that capacity to to think and execute that, you still have to you still have to walk through it and make it happen. So I don't know. I mean, maybe that was that's a big because you've, as I already alluded to, you've had so much from my vantage point, you've had so much impact. I mean, you Dr. J Cellcore on so many lives in exponential ways that you you couldn't have done as an individual. So with that, I was gonna just, you know, if it's okay, I'm gonna just briefly segue um, you know, where's the the history for me with with SellCore? First of all, you know, for those of you those who might be listening in who are patients through RootSeek at RootSeekHealth.com, we use a lot of Sellcore products, right? We do. And it's not we don't have some kind of financial affiliation, we don't have some other kind of arrangement structures or emotional attachments. I I'll say right now that we we use it because um we just found I found and we found we find that it just works, right? Um the products work for patients. And so um just briefly segueing that, right? Um so where I came across you, is if you may or may not remember, was a TFIM conference, right? It was I don't remember who it was.

SPEAKER_00 7:44

Did you remember Chicago 2017, somewhere around there?

The Gift Is In The Struggle

Dr. Mark Su 7:49

Oh gosh, Chicago. I I wouldn't even remember where it was. Yeah. I can picture the stage, I can picture you presenting. I know other people who presented at that same time, but you presented on the bread and butter topic of Soap War with the parasites, and I'd never heard of you, didn't know who you were, you know. Not that you were the only person I hadn't heard of, but I had no connection to you whatsoever. But I remember I still have an emotional memory from that time thinking to myself, like, that's a solid dude. There's an integral character. I don't, I don't know much about him at all, but I like that guy, right? There's something about him that is as attractive with in in energy, and and um there's something genuine about him, right? And and I remember thinking the parasite topic is like kind of new for me. And and it didn't hurt that you weren't the only one talking about it at that conference. It was a second presentation also from someone who already knew, so it helped kind of ping and you know, uh balance it out or kind of support the two talks kind of support each other. But it wasn't until a couple few years after that that uh in my own professional journey I started really inquiring about that parasite topic. And so I'm like, where am I gonna go learning about this? Because it's not really something we spend hardly any time on in conventional medicine. I don't think I ever came across it uh, you know, in whatever number of years residency practice, whatever for total collection, maybe 15 years at that point. And so you came to mind. Like you you you were the first and maybe only person who came to mind at that moment. And so I remembered the uh the company name, and I gave Sellcore a call, and all of a sudden they're like, Yeah, we can connect you with your local rep who we find out, you know, Tara, she's she's a PA. I was like, what's a PA doing working for a supplement company? Right? And then it was just awesome for me because she tells her story similar to you just telling your story, which is a lot of practitioners' stories. The reason we got to where we are is because we've been through it, right? It's not just it we walk the talk and because we've gone through it. And so uh it just really spoke to me that here's another person. She's like, my life was changed, you know, using using um SOCOR products and and protocols, etc. So there's the uh there's this there's the origins for me with you guys, and as you know, I'll keep it really brief, is that you know, I I I wouldn't say I was dragged and screaming to Eco, your your at the annual conference for SOCOR in that year, I thought I'm guessing it was 2021, all right. Um I wasn't just skicking at kicking and screaming, but I had other conferences to go to that were two weeks before and after eco. So I was gonna be going away every other week for three, three weeks, three times in a row. I was like, that's just that's not doable. Because again, you you have four kids too. So for me, four kids, I was like, that's that's not gonna happen. But I went and it was life-changing, right? That's as I was sharing with you before we got on. I've said that to other practitioners as well. Like it's the energy of the community and the vibe. I had all I had some more negative expectations, to be honest. But I walked away, as you know, I walked away like literally crying. Yeah, right. I think I've out of five times I've gone, I think I've had tears upon leaving probably four out of five times. I'm not like an easy crier kind of guy, I mean, I don't think. But so there's a background, and I think with all that, um I'm hogging airspace here, but I want to ask you, like starting off here, you've you just talked about how diverse your background is, right? And you went into healthcare and medicine as a second career, as you say. You know, and what I've painted a picture here is from my vantage point, you you have you just have such a a beautiful heart, such an empathetic heart. And so maybe to start off with here, you know, what what kind of you, you know, as a as a clinician with in patient care, what what drives you, what fuels you, what fulfills you with that sense of purpose with with patient care to date?

Why Mark Trusted Cellcore

SPEAKER_00 11:12

I think a big part of it is going back to bringing hope to somebody who's lost hope. And uh a lot of people that I've worked with, I was their last doctor, like you're like, I don't know who else to call Dr. Watts, you're the last one, and they put it on me. I'm like, well, that's a big burden of responsibility. But it it goes back to they knew my heart that I wasn't gonna give up on them. Most doctors just give up on them. And it was down to, okay, what else is there? What else could there be? Which is where I got to all this stuff. It wasn't because I knew it all at the beginning. It was, okay, hey, I don't know. My patients are the ones that taught me what was going on here. So, like, all right, they're not getting better. Why aren't they getting better? And then I learned about parasites and deep dive through that. I'm like, all right, they're doing a lot better here, but then there's still something going on. And they're like, all right, then I learned about mold. There just wasn't a lot of information about this stuff back in back in the day. You know, I had to really do a deep dive and understanding where people were. And I've always had a behavior heart. I I'm the my brother and I, my brother's two minutes older, so we're twins, and we're the oldest of eight kids. So I've always had a lot of responsibility raising my younger siblings. My next brother's about almost six years younger than me, and then they go two years after that, like eight, 10, 12, 14, 16 years younger. So my upbringing, I just always was very uh one of those that took care of my younger siblings. Um, you know, my parents, we have a great, we have a close family. Even today, it's you know, all of us kids are really close. And my dad, um, you know, I go see him every week, and we all have a day we go see him visit him. And he's 87, he's getting ready to go back to work here in in March, end of this month. Uh, now that his hips replaced and he can walk again. But he just thought a great work ethic and just integrity was something that they had always taught us when we were kids. Even my first job delivering papers, you know, our paper outs back in the day. Some of us Gen Xers could understand that. But yeah, you know, I was like, look, you're he always said you're a watts boy, you know, I expect more out of you. And you know, you put that paper on the porch. You don't just throw it up there. It's like you do your best job, and that'll always pay off. And and then my mom was like the biggest, kindest hearted person that you'd ever meet. She would give anything and help everybody you knew. And uh it's just part of who I am and how I was raised. And so that just translated, I just care about people. I love people, and I want to see them get over their struggle and be able to have that hope restored and have a life that matters versus always being sick.

Dr. Mark Su 13:31

Yeah, no, I I I love that. And I think um suddenly I'm sort of feeling like there's there's a message there, right, for for a lot of us as practitioners, because um, I don't know, so I don't think I'm the only one who can feel stuck in my own way with patient care a lot of times. So I feel like, how come how come they're not getting better? How come they're not getting better? And then feeling that as you just talked about, like that that pressure that um many times is self-placed or self-induced or gaslit anyway internally. Yeah, a lot of the colleagues I have, whether here uh brick and mortar or the virtual practice with RootSeek, that um, you know, we try to encourage ourselves or remind ourselves, you're showing up. You know, you're showing up and you have a heart, and the freak that the fact that you just freaking care is 99% of the battle and 99.9% better than what they're gonna get elsewhere. Not judging anybody else is just healthcare is tough, it's easy to get burned out, jaded, skeptical, whatever. But that that that caring, that heart is you gotta refuel. I'm being a little hypocrite saying that there, but but you know, you've I know you've it you've you've advocated that and you know, kind of bantered on that with number of practitioners I've known, both on stage and in personal conversation. You gotta recharge, you gotta take care of yourself. But but if you don't have the if you gotta have the heart to to keep servicing. So I I love that message about hope because um that's that's there's that's definitely something that we all as practitioners can bring to the table as long as we also recharge. Because uh and that has immense value for patients.

SPEAKER_00 14:55

It does.

Dr. Mark Su 14:56

Totally agree. Uh so now speaking to just outside of your own personal experience, um, do you have any sort of favorite stories about your sort of mentorship or influence on other practitioners, whether in the self-core community or outside of? Or the kind of I'm sure you've heard so many stories of other patients that you never saw, right? That um practitioners in your community in one way or another, through your influence and mentorship, that they saw patients get breakthroughs. Like, yeah, do you have any particular unique or um you know uh special places in your heart kind of stories?

Refusing To Give Up On Patients

SPEAKER_00 15:28

Yeah, well, there's there there's so so many um a couple things, a couple ideas to throw by. One is Dr. Jay Davidson, though Dr. Jay's partner, but he he's just an amazing individual who is like a brother to me. And his wife struggled with health issues when we met. Still, even though she she she uh her Lyme symptoms were a lot better, she was functional, she still had a lot of health stuff. That um when they come into town, I would work through, okay, what's next? Jay's like, okay, Todd, you gotta figure this out for me. You know, let's let's work through this. And I was able to figure out what was really going on on some of her own health issues, too, where she's a vibrant personality who she used to struggle to get up in the morning and now she's up early playing pickleball multiple hours a day and living a whole life that was just you know awesomely changed. And um yeah, just such great people. And then I just had so many practitioners that come up to me at Eco and say, Dr. Watch, you saved my life. Um, you know, not just her patients, but also my own life, you know, with Cellcore. And um really the whole Cellcore, I never planned on starting a supplement company. Never, it was never my thing to develop products. I was just there to help people. And it's just that what we had on the market just wasn't enough to help the people. And then um, so that's where I ended up turning into working and trying to figure out and creating products that worked and you know, working with Dr. J, actually protocols that would help people through that process of addressing multiple parts of the physiology of the body. It's not just like, oh, let's just kill something, let's just kill Lyme or candida or, you know, bacteria or parasites. It's like, no, how how do we need to support the body? How do we need to get the body to do it on its own and not have to be dependent upon the products forever?

SPEAKER_01 17:10

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 17:10

And so it just the the company just bore, you know, was born out of a need for the market, and it just happened. It didn't even try to grow it, didn't market it, didn't it? Jame about because it worked. The products work. And um, sometimes people have success, really a success, other ones don't have as much, and then it's like, oh, let's just change up how you're doing and what products you're taking, how much you're taking, like you just playing around with what what we have there, and it boom, that was the key element, or the new product that we launched, uh, you know, and somebody two days later after taking it passed big old parasite, you know, and and uh and or addressing the emotional issues, which can be uh a major, major problem with chronic health issues. Uh, you have addressed deeper emotions and trauma then, and that's something that you're gonna need to need to consider on chronic chronic illness problems.

Dr. Mark Su 17:58

Yeah, you kind of you um kind of I always spoke to what I was gonna ask you eventually, if not next, you know, the sort of origins of what your intentions or goals may have been, starting so core, et cetera. Because I've never I've never asked you that before, never heard it before. So um, yeah, that's there's so much of that that happens in life, right? That uh unplanned, unscripted. And um, again, Phoenix from the from the ashes, I guess, right? It's it's beautiful. And I think that's just as a quick a quick background, also, that's the again, that's that was my story. Like I'm a I'm kind of over analytical and skeptical. I'm not the guy people want to see at a conference, you know, as a vendor, because I'm I'm not buying anything.

SPEAKER_00 18:35

I was just like you, okay?

Dr. Mark Su 18:36

I'm very similar to you. So I've told people that I've sometimes I'm at the booth right there, and I'm just telling them right up front, I'm saying, like, I'm just telling you now I'm not gonna buy anything, so are you okay if I still ask questions? Because uh yeah, I I just know it's a sale, right? And and we won't get into it. But I I that's kind of what my part expectations were walking to eco the first time, and then I walk away crying. I'm like, okay, this isn't anything like I thought, right? But yeah, so I'm a skeptica a skeptic, but um when I walked away from that ego, that's when I was like, okay, there's something here. I I don't know how to explain it. I don't know the science behind this, I don't understand. It's gonna take me a long time to figure out with the analytical side of my brain, but I'm just gonna decide to be one of these fewer times, error times, I'm just gonna decide to surrender that, submit that, and um just be coachable. Right. And then it was like, oh my gosh, right. And and I won't go into more detail, but um, yeah, it just it's not any kind of guarantee. Obviously, there's there's there's there's still a journey that patients walk through and practitioners walk through alongside as well. But uh yeah, it's it's a it's amazing the kind of the kind of outcomes people get with with the stuff that you guys have created. And again, it's just the the amount of the normity of the impact that I see, that I see on pre practitioners and patients, and and as you said, the practitioners, that must be so humbling to hear so many people like say that to you recurrently, like you saved my life, you saved my family's life, you saved my patients' lives, right? It's that's not a trivial thing to say, right? It's it's one thing to say, like, I feel so much better. It's another thing when people actually say, like, you saved my life. Like, how often do you hear that? I mean, I'm sick of saying to generally to other practitioners, like, how often do we hear that? I think in conventional medicine, the only time you'd ever hear that is from like a trauma surgeon, right? Or a heart surgeon or a brain surgeon or something like that. I don't I don't think anyone ever hears that.

Seizures Mold And Fast Turnarounds

SPEAKER_00 20:10

What's interesting with that too is like look there, there'll be I took every product on the market, like they they're practitioners, they have access to every to all these different supplements and medications and things, and Cellcore is what helped them out. It's really good because I just really enjoyed just the how that just is so rewarding to see the efforts that I made. But I remember I presented at a conference, at one of the eco conferences, the exponential clinical outcome conferences. And the the part of it was um I presented on a gal that came into me as having 25 seizures a day, non-functional, had to be carried in the office. Started having seizures on my um on literally on the um right there in my in my clinic on the bench. And so I worked through what her issues were, and and so many doctors missed so many things on her, like basic. I mean, she'd been to so many medical doctors, so many nature paths, functional med doctors, you know, muscle testers, and they missed basic stuff of like, did you go international, did you drink the water, did you eat the food? Didn't have parasites, and nobody ever told her she had probably had a parasite, which was in her brain nervous system. So we went through that process of being able to get her life back to where now she has a super thriving interior design business here locally, uh one of the top, fastest growing interior design businesses in the valley. And um, my daughter actually just started working working with her. Oh, wow. Oh, that's so cool. Part-time. And it's just it's just fun to see how her life is changed by by such a thing. I presented her video that her her husband had put together at one point. I remember that.

Dr. Mark Su 21:40

Yeah, I remember this. I remember this presentation.

SPEAKER_00 21:42

And then I had an I remember one of the first people I worked with here in Boise, this gal came in and it's like, I'm having all this anxiety, a breakdown at work, uh crying. She was a paralegal. It's like this is not normal. And so we're working through some things there. And and um and I'm like, Well, how's your husband's health? And start talking, like, oh man, he He has all this anxiety stuff and blah blah blah. And he's overwhelmed. And like, you guys got mold in your house? Oh, you need to check your attic. Sure enough, this whole thing was covered in black mold attic and then down the walls. And I'm tearing the whole house down, digging the basement out and rebuilding a whole new house, and then just giving them the biotoxin binder heavy doses, literally in 30 days, changed their life. And and and so just there's so many different stories. I mean, even in my own life, of massive fatigue and function in my 40s that the binders just completely within 60 days wiped out, and I actually had energy to be able to work out again. I hadn't been able to work out for about 10 years. So it just there it just it it you follow the process and and you have part of it also is a mental thing. You know, I listened to a lot of things to help drive my mental positivity, which I believe is really important in in the in the journey, and whatever that may be, working on your spiritual health as well as working on your mental positivity health and thinking there is hope and you're gonna get through this because that changes your physiology too.

Dr. Mark Su 23:00

Yeah, you know, you you guys um I mean you're you're you're talking about um there's there's a a bit of a recurring theme that uh just organically has come out of our conversation here about the emotional and energetic parts of of life and of health or or disease or you know, symptoms, et cetera. And um I mean I a couple things come to mind there, but let me just kind of simplify and you know, I gotta I gotta ask, you know, you and I both talked about, I mean, obviously you you live it, you you've lived it, you live it with the cell core community, but I've also alluded to it. That that first time I I was there with you go, it was like it was just a whole different experience for me, right? I mean, okay, I'm just gonna say I walked I walked in expecting it to be like a trade show, right? I was like, this is a supplement company, it's gonna be about the products, right? But I'm and here I am, okay. I don't even know how I got there, but I here I am, and I walk away crying, right? I'm like, okay, this is so not what I was I was expecting. And so what I'm what I'm asking is here is how did that come about? You know, we we were just talking about right before getting on on the call here, like how much, you know, this this is it's the 10th year of Eco coming up, right? That's that's part of I I volunteered. Let's just make it clear. This is not a paid recording here, okay? There was no request from Cellcore or you or anybody else asking me to do this. I did this, I approached you saying, hey, um, this might be a cool thing to release this, and especially with Eco coming up in um, you know, early May. Uh so yeah, what's what's the website there, right? Cellcore.com. You can find the uh registration link for anybody for the eco conference. Thank you. No attachments here, right? There's no financial, no emotional, no other attachments other than me saying, I'm happy to um propose this or make this happen because it it was such an experience for me. It was it's been such an influence on my journey. But how the heck, part of that for me, that first year and every year after, like literally every year, okay? I mean, I go into every year going like, you gotta keep your expectations kind of tempered, Mark. Like you can't expect lightning to hit twice, right? Much less five, six years. And I I'm not kidding. Like I cried four out of five times or five out of six times, whatever it's been. I'm I'm not kidding. There's only one time. I was like, oh, there you go. Like it doesn't happen every time. And it's not just about I mean, sometimes it's as you described, the the practitioners giving um a presentation. And then I still remember, I won't I don't remember her name, but I remember that individual. She's um a practitioner in Canada. She's worked with like, you know, Olympic athletes, and like you'll know who I'm talking about. I do. And I mean, the mount the amount of genuinity about her talking about uh how much she healed and how appreciative she was and just uh her her tearfulness, I was I mean, I I get emotional just thinking about that. And that was what, three years ago, maybe or something like that, right? I the number of the amount of impact you guys have had, it's it's just beyond. But the cell core community, right? How the heck is it that you guys found or fostered and nurtured such an emotionally empathetic and positive energy? I positive it's too trivial word. I don't even know what to use. This that heartfelt community. Like how did that happen? Was that was that even intentional or designed in any kind of way? Or is that just like a gift that just happened?

SPEAKER_00 25:54

No, that's a that just happened. That's just who we are, that's just who I am. And that's it's interesting because I'll have people come up to me and say, Todd, this is this is here because of you. You're the heart of the company.

Dr. Mark Su 26:04

Yeah.

How Eco Became A Community

SPEAKER_00 26:05

And it it's uh to me, it's more important that we're getting information out to practitioners to become the best practitioner that they can be and how they can help their patients. I don't care about selling the products. I care about is I care about helping the practitioner help their patients. And it's just we attract, we attract those heartfelt practitioners. We attract who, you know, who were like you, right? Because that's who was drawn to um Cellcore. And so we just attracted a lot of people that just were heartfelt based, that want to help people, that want to do good, that want to help, and move the move life forward for people. And uh, you know, we just started doing it. Just the initial one was was like, oh, let's just throw a thing. It was 85 people practitioners who wanted the education. They wanted us to put like our process together for them and teach us. So Jay and I'd talk for three straight days before we had other practitioners. And the next one we we taught for the same thing. And then there's another the third one, I think we taught the muscle testing, and then that like five straight days. And Jay's like, never again. It's too much. But then we brought other practitioners. So then we only spoke like once a day, but we brought practitioners experts in their areas to help come share what was working for everybody. Like we don't need to teach everything. We're not experts on everything. We're just experts on what we do, but yet people are using these products in all different areas, you know, from cardiology to hormone, you know, preconception to, you know, breast implant illness, you know, mold illness, to Lyme disease, to parasite infections, to autoimmune disease, to autism, right? These amazing stories on autism and how it's reversed. And I've had a lot of kids I've worked with that have had phenomenal results, and their parents are super grateful because you know their functions function at such a higher level than where they were when they were totally non-verbal. So it's uh I think it goes back to our intention, it's just to help, and that's it. It's just to help, and we love people. That's who we are.

Dr. Mark Su 27:57

Yeah, it's just it's it's I can't really speak to it. It's it's sort of almost dishonoring it trying to describe it, but it's it's just amazing. I don't know. It's just amazing. Yeah, I I that's the only thing that comes to my mind as well, is just it's a trickle-down effect from who you and Jay are, right? You guys are it's an interesting, you know, observing you guys, it's a little bit like yin and yang. You you're different personalities and such, but it's it's such an a unique balance. And um and I've and I've said this to colleagues many times that uh there's there's you can tell it's it's it's it's infectious, it's contagious, the the conviction, right? The conviction, passion. I mean, I might say, hey, I person uh my personality and makeup aligns much more with like Dr. Todd's personality than Dr. J's, but there's parts of Dr. J's that like I love that, like that, that right? That that kind of like kind of drive feeling. Like, man, like you know, when I was growing up in my early like spiritual walk, like I loved listening to the black community church pastors. Yes, totally. I was like, yeah, bring it on, right? Because it's not me. I'm such a quiet guy, but like, oh yeah, when someone else is doing that, you know, and I can like live it through them vicariously, I'm like, yeah, yeah, get me there. I'm I'm there with you, right? So it's it's such an interesting balance between you guys and but yeah, I'm not I'm not surprised. Uh it's just you guys have done an amazing job. And again, it's not just about the company, it's not just about the products, it's it's that community and the um the impact that that then has in service to to patients. Yeah, the practitioners as patients as well, them getting better, but then that just trickles down even, you know, that's a magnifold influential impact on patients that they see. Because that that's a that fuels when we when we experience ourselves, right? We we well know this, it it fuels us like for for such a long time. Because this is not an easy thing dealing with patients who are so chronically and complexly sick, but part of where we get the fuel is seeing the breakthroughs and when we see it, and much less when we get experience ourselves, like that that is sustaining energy, right? And then when you see it in other people, much less practitioner colleagues who might also be skeptical in background and nature and all that, uh it just the impact is is exponential. So uh anyway, I'm just I'm just bragging on you guys, but it's it's but it's genuine. So, but let's speaking of Dr. J. So you talked about how you know that was a great, um, a special place in your heart with that history with he and his wife's uh her his wife's journey, specifically, her health journey. But flipping it around, I'm curious. I've never asked you, like, what kind of ways come to your mind in terms of how he's made you a better person?

SPEAKER_00 30:20

So J Jay is he he's just fun to be around, right? Yeah. Uh part of what helps is I'm more of that analytical guy, similar to you, right? I'm more analytical, a little more quiet. I don't like to be on stage uh in front of people speaking. That that's really hard for me. Uh Disa was. Um, so he I'll I'll work on our product and it'll be three years, two and a half years. And he's like, Todd, it's good enough to get it to the market to get people to help people. And so he really helped me to learn how to stop overanalyzing, you know, get that analysis paralysis type thing. Yeah. And just go with it. I mean, I remember first when we first started, we first met, you know, as I Todd, we're getting to know each other. Like, you know so much already. Just put your time and effort into getting out there and educating people. You don't need to keep going to all these seminars and learning all these different stuff. You already know incredible amounts that these other people don't even know. Just be confident. You're a great practitioner. And as analytical people, it's like we can never know enough, right?

SPEAKER_01 31:17

Yeah.

What Dr Jay Brings Out

SPEAKER_00 31:18

And so he helped bring a lot of confidence into myself as well as just like, hey, let's get stuff started. Let's move things forward. And, you know, let's, you know, you're you're his encouragement to speak and and his abilities. I learned so much on his ability to like put together these protocols and the education. Like, he's so good at like lining things out. I have all that stuff up in here. He's great at extracting it out of here and putting it all out on paper and then teaching it. Like his superpower is amazing. That's awesome. And so I laughed because it took years and he's like, How'd you come up with the name Cell Core? And one day I was well, you know, it it's you know, the power of the cell, the core of the cell, right? Power of the cell is mitochondria. And so, you know, that's that's kind of where I was looking at it. It's like, hey, you gotta have energy to power everything. So cell core. And um, he, you know, he didn't know all these stories. We've been partners for several years, and it's just so funny how he's always, you know, I recall that.

Dr. Mark Su 32:13

I recall that when you guys were on stage. I don't think it like was in the moment that he learned that, but I think that was pretty much like it was just in the recent months before that, and that was only probably like three years ago.

SPEAKER_00 32:24

So funny, and uh we'd laugh because uh for me, I'm such an internal processor, yeah. And um, and so a lot of the stuff was just getting it out of my brain, and him and Ryan were great at doing that. Uh and just his his positivity and energy is just contagious. He loves the challenge, right? He's the guy who's gonna challenge the current narrative and his ability to research. Like he's our amazing researcher, and to bring it and put it into words and present it is incredible. So I've learned a lot through all of that, and then even the way he thinks through on patient care and his experience with that, and it's just been awesome. We we just blend together, like our you know, one of my mentors at our first conference, he's in his 70s, close to 80 now, but back then in the early 70s, and he he made a comment to me afterwards like, Did you guys practice your presentations together? Like when you're up there, like who's gonna speak what and what you're doing? And it's like, no, we just get up there and we just roll. Our chemistry is amazing. Yeah. And so I mean, we were band grooming good friends. He went to his house in uh in November and he comes out twice in the summer to go to the desert with us to go you know with the razors and camping and stuff. And uh he's just an incredible uh individual that uh you're a friend of mine. Such a gift.

unknown 33:37

Yeah.

Dr. Mark Su 33:38

Unplanned, unscripted in life. That's such a gift. And I imagine some of that's got to translated into personal life also, you know, outside of so core workplace, patient care, in terms of that uh, hey, perfection, progress, progress over perfection, that kind of stuff. Yep, it helped me a lot, for sure, on uh on in all levels of life.

SPEAKER_00 33:54

Yeah, just moving moving forward, not not just holding back until it's perfect. It'll get perfect as you're doing it and that you just practiced it like any, like anything. You can think about tennis all you want, but until you're out there actually doing the strokes, you're not gonna get really good at it. So put into action. Practitioners are the same way. We're all we're all practicing, right?

Clinic Clarity Peptides Plant Medicine

Dr. Mark Su 34:13

Yeah, no, I love that. I love that uh message because uh I question that oftentimes myself, uh whether to myself or to for colleagues, and not in a judgy way, just a observational and reflection way. And so maybe this is a message that we could throw out here right now for practitioners to say, hey, in the same way that Dr. J had um encouraged and influenced you in that regard, like you're showing up. You know a lot, you know more than you know. More that you know more you're more equipped than you believe you are. Just show up and be confident and um and know that you're bringing more to the table than, you know, again, 99% of what most people experience with healthcare, right? Uh whether it's because of the systems or the individuals or the practitioners, it doesn't matter. The thing is you're bringing more to the table in spades than everybody else just because number one, you care. And number two, you have more tools than you than you realize. Just become just just put it in action. And so I'm sure there's a lot of practice, because we you and I both know there's a lot of practitioners who do that a lot. It's like that we become professional conference um attendees, right? Like a conference groupies. Like we're always trying to learn more, learn more. And I do question that sometimes with individuals. Again, not as critici criticism, just sometimes I'm a couple of times I've said the same thing. Hey, like, why are you going to that conference? Why why are you going to that conference? Like, do you need to? You just talked about how time, money, whatever. Yeah, we're not we're not gonna be God and solve be able to know everything with the human body, but when you have the heart and you show up, you bring you bring so much more to the table than you realize. As you said, bringing the the hope as a first place, right? Just as a first point of basis. So maybe we land on this with the last kind of question here. So we're talking now about uh patient experiences, right? And um we're all about trying to we're just collectively are all about trying to help people, right? Being of service, fulfilling a missional heart intent individually, collectively as practitioners. Do you have any thoughts on what's most needed by patients for sort of like in on a more systems level these days, uh more optimal healthcare delivery, right? In this sort of functional medicine or foundational medicine, this integrated medicine arena specifically, where we're not talking about we we could get into arguments about insurance coverage and whatever else, but let's leave that to the side, okay? Because that's just too complicated and I don't know that I ever see that happening anyway, right? Um have any thoughts on how more patients can get better faster? You know, is it systems of care? Is it regulation changes? Is it uh any thoughts on what's happening with AI and such, or maybe thoughts on how practitioners can be more effective in individually, especially those who are kind of like struggling to struggling on some level on a sort of a business level? That's probably a lot of sub-questions, I apologize. Pick and choose.

SPEAKER_00 36:47

Yeah, so on a business level for practitioners, part of part of what I've coached other practitioners on is like, what do you want? And they like, oh, I want this clinic, I'm gonna have this big clinic, people come in, and I want to do this, this, and that. And I'm like, all right, that's great. Let's step back first. What do you want on a personal level? What do you want at your home? Oh, I want more free time, I want to spend more time with my kids, I want to be able to have trips and do things. So everything we're gonna build your clinic of is gonna be based off of what your personal needs are, because that's where life is fulfilled, not what you accomplish in your clinic. So once you're solid on your basis of what you want to accomplish there, then you can build your goals around being sure that you can create the life that you want. Right up here, you can see it this thing right here, it's a little ocean picture behind me. It says create the life that you want. That was our motto for 2025 and for our family. And that's where it has to start is in in in in in anything, right? For anybody in any career. You want to create the life you want, and you have to identify what that's gonna be. And then you build around that. And then your goals, once you're more clear on that, then you can say, okay, you need a niche, and then from there, then do a deep dive into that niche and become an expert and then be able to get that message out for success. But you know, what's gonna change things? I think one several things. One, if we can get RFK Junior up there, FDA to pass a few things, really stop regulating peptides. I think peptides can be very beneficial. And then the other one is plant-based medicine. Because I think through plant-based medicine, more it goes deeper into a healing process that I've seen some of my really chronically patient, chronic patients I couldn't make headway with. They had phenomenal results with acilocybin, NVMe. Um, you know, I've had a niece that go down to Mexico for ibogaine. Uh there, there's there's just a lot of options out there for, you know, everywhere from concussions, brain, depression, anxiety, trauma, PTSD, all these things that everybody is holding on to some type of trauma. But some people have had a lot more trauma than others. That's being stored, that's affecting their health. So as those things, you you see a lot of progress in that area right now. I'm hoping that that can move forward because once that opens up, it'll open up a whole new level of healing that I think no but people can't even comprehend.

Dr. Mark Su 39:00

Yeah, I valid I second validate that. Uh, we were just talking about a conference I went to in December, you know, humongo conference. And there's a humongous talk on that. That was really eye-opening for me. And then I've subsequently had a number of patients, um yeah, uh not not ten, but I've had a uh far more than ever before patients who've now stepped into that world a bit. And yeah, it's pretty eye-punning for me for sure. I I validate that for sure.

SPEAKER_00 39:22

And and then from there just, you know, having the hope. And if if if it's not there, then these things can really, really be beneficial. But peptide, I think I think the future a lot of it is peptides, plant-based medicine, and then this regular stuff, what we do, right? Basically the cell core protocols have are addressing so many of the underlying issues of what we're dealing with in today's environment of toxicity. So you gotta be very cognitive, you know, cognizant of toxicity uh in today's environment.

Dr. Mark Su 39:51

Yeah, yeah. And that's a that's a lot of what um obviously that's a that's a huge part of what SellCore is about. And it's and again, I it's really striking to me how much the um the topic about emotional energy and and here, you know, even going further, talking about trauma. That's it's I mean, I've heard that for so many years and various conferences and talks and this and that, but uh I mean, I'm still now to this day, I'm still finding that the the depth of that is it's so impressionable on me and so eye-opening. It's it's such an interesting dichotomy, you know, in the soccer world, talking about on the one hand, a lot of this, you know, toxins and really granular cellular biology, physiology stuff. And on the other hand, like you there's a huge emphasis and spotlight on that whole emotional energy piece and even energy in general in the soccer community. It's such an interesting dichotomy, and I just uh yeah, I just really appreciate that. And let's say it's it's very it's very fueling and um resonant for me internally. Yeah, the purpose of that question really, you know, just kind of bring it to application is if you're a practitioner hearing this, then uh my argument, and feel free to chime in or edit me, correct me, uh if you're a practitioner, hey, there's some free coaching right there, right? On not just starting a practice or a professional journey, but it's sustaining, right? And it's never too late to pivot and modify. And and I'm sitting here reflecting for myself, even both my wife and I, you know, my wife is, I often say to people, she's busier than I am professionally. Um, it's just kind of chaotic. So yeah, there's there's free coaching right there for us as practitioners. If you're a patient, the application here is um this is partly what what happens in patient experience with practitioners. I I've had patients say things like, yeah, the I was working with so-and-so, and they always were kind of working with me this way, and then something just changed, right? Like either the way the office or the practice kind of operated, or sort of the the communication dynamics, or there there's some kind of like emotional shift that they couldn't really well explain, you know, in terms of synergy or collaboration, whatever it is. And this isn't a value bias assessment, uh, value-attached commentary that um look, people we're pee we're still people, and things can change. And so as a patient, I'm regularly trying to help when they're working when we're talking about their experiences with other practitioners, uh, I don't care if it's conventional, functional, whatever. I'm commonly saying like trying to encourage them and to to have some insight on what might be happening on the back end, whether with that practitioner or the system, the local system, larger systems, and how do you navigate that so that you can get your best outcome as a patient because that's you're the person we care about. Yeah. But it's it's not a it's not it's not a transactional like buying something off of um the web or Amazon or whatever, you know, and just pay my credit card and it comes back. It's it's more complicated than that.

SPEAKER_00 42:26

It is. For sure. Well, I appreciate your time today, Mark. I I love it. Conversations with you. I I know you and I could talk for hours and hours. Yeah, it's just it's just awesome. I really enjoy the the deep thoughts and um even the deep science we get into at times. Um I love seeing how you've changed over over the years of where you're so analytical to where you've embraced a little bit more of the heartfelt and energetic work, which is like, wow, an MD uh is actually doing this. Wow.

Dr. Mark Su 42:59

All the time, every day. Every day, multiple times a day.

SPEAKER_00 43:02

You you've embraced it and just has flourished and just helping so many people, and that's just so awesome to see. Thanks for thanks for helping people out.

Eco Invite And Final Thanks

Dr. Mark Su 43:09

Yeah, no, thanks for your your uh influence in mentorship. I still remember that first eco I went to, one of those things, one of those memories was um at the end, I remember I was speaking analytical. I was sitting there at the table. I think the conference had already ended, right? They're cleaning up the room. I'm sitting there at the table, like I don't know if I was reviewing notes or writing something down or whatever, and out of the corner of my eye, there comes Dr. Todd Watts. He sits down, you know, it's like, hey, thanks for coming. How are you doing? And it's it I just felt like, wow, he's like, how does he have time for this? But um anyway, that's who you are. So that's why I invited you. That's why I'm sitting here um uh, you know, uh of my own volition, saying, Hey, if you're a practitioner thinking about eco at all, um it's not it's not too late. Um it's uh tell me the day date scan, you probably have it off the top of your head. Is it first weekend of May? First weekend of May, yeah. Okay. I mean, I've I've got it find out, but I just don't remember the dates off the top of my head. I couldn't remember if it's the first, second weekend, but um Yeah, it's an awesome time. I love I personally I love Boise. Boise, not Boise. Boise, right? Right. I love Boise. I love that downtown area. If you're interested in going, hey, uh, there's there's some discount uh codes you can use if you're registering online. You can DM us if we won't um, you know, there's there's ways to help help get you in. And um if you if you go and we've never met before, if you're a practitioner, yeah, feel free to to find me. I'll introduce you to folks and uh would love to see you there. So anyway, thanks, thanks, Todd. Really appreciate it. Been wanting to do this for a bit. Timing seemed like it was a good fit. So um looking forward to see you in Boise. Likewise. See you soon.

SPEAKER_01 44:33

Thanks.