OnlyFans, Patreon & The Weird New Access Economy

Welcome to Episode 62 of Two Awesome People — your middle-aged take on pop culture, internet trends, and the strange ways the world keeps getting weirder.

This week, Don and Kelly dive into OnlyFans, but not just the obvious version of OnlyFans. After seeing celebrities, creators, bloggers, musicians, and everyday people selling more direct access to themselves online, we ask: are we all becoming subscription services?  

From Shannon Elizabeth making headlines, to OnlyFans vs. Patreon, Substack, Cameo, celebrity access, private newsletters, and the idea of paying $5.99 to help Don find his glasses, this episode gets into the rise of the “access economy” — where fame used to mean being unreachable, and now fame means you can subscribe.

TIMESTAMPS:
00:00 Would Don Join OnlyFans?
01:48 What OnlyFans Actually Is
03:46 The Money Behind OnlyFans
05:10 Help Don Find His Glasses
07:05 The Hustle Economy
09:14 Are We Selling Our Privacy?
12:18 The Access Economy
14:39 Paying for Connection
17:39 Would Kelly Ever Join?
19:29 Would You Subscribe?
24:07 Why It’s Blowing Up
27:39 The Future of Subscriptions
28:54 Kelly’s Recommendation
29:44 Wrap-Up

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Transcript

SPEAKER_03 0:00

So, are you telling me you're gonna join OnlyFans?

SPEAKER_01 0:03

Would you be mad?

SPEAKER_03 0:04

Um, yes, initially.

SPEAKER_01 0:06

Got it.

SPEAKER_03 0:06

You couldn't just leave it there.

SPEAKER_01 0:08

You'd have to like be asterisk, and then we'd have to go to the bottom of the page and read the asterisk.

SPEAKER_03 0:13

I need like a big parentheses. Well, OnlyFans is booming. It's it's quite the business.

SPEAKER_01 0:25

Really, what grabbed our attention was the amount of people that are joining it.

SPEAKER_03 0:29

Joining it to be creators.

SPEAKER_01 0:31

Right.

SPEAKER_03 0:32

So it was recently in the news that Shannon Elizabeth joined it. I'm sure you know who that is.

SPEAKER_01 0:37

Yeah, absolutely.

SPEAKER_03 0:39

I was joking. I did not think you would know who that was.

SPEAKER_01 0:41

I know who Shannon Elizabeth is. She was in well, now I'm gonna just screw myself here, but she was in the Austin Poweris movies.

SPEAKER_03 0:48

No, she was not. Oh my god.

SPEAKER_01 0:54

She Shannon Elizabeth is uh the one that was in American Pie. Yes. Yes.

SPEAKER_03 0:59

She was in American Pie. It was in the news that she made a million dollars the first day.

SPEAKER_00 1:05

I can verify that the reports are true that have been out there in the headlines. My manager the other day, he said, You've now made more than American Pie, Scary Movie, Love Actually, Name One Other. All of them combined.

SPEAKER_01 1:20

Do you think if I joined, I'd make a million dollars?

SPEAKER_03 1:22

I don't think so. You'd have to find a really good like niche to be in. OnlyFans is definitely sort of like on the tip of the tongue.

SPEAKER_01 1:34

The tip of the tongue.

SPEAKER_03 1:35

Yes, on the tip of the tongue of uh like media and pop culture right now.

SPEAKER_01 1:41

The White House has put out only farmers.

SPEAKER_03 1:43

Yeah, only farms. They're just being clever. How clever.

SPEAKER_01 1:48

If you've listened this far and you do not know what OnlyFans is, let us explain what it is.

SPEAKER_03 1:53

It's a social media platform, but it's driven by creator content. So the way that it works is uh you become a creator on OnlyFans, you get 80% of earnings made by subscriptions to your site.

SPEAKER_01 2:10

So the difference between that and like YouTube, let's say, is YouTube is broadcast out and anybody can go search, find anybody. OnlyFans, you basically have to subscribe to their channel to watch their content. It was originally musicians, uh content creators, and now it has become adult entertainment.

SPEAKER_03 2:32

It's not only adult entertainment. They actually have made a note at OnlyFans that they want to become the Netflix of the creator economy.

SPEAKER_01 2:42

It allows the creators and the audience to connect directly. So there's no middle person you can call them or text them or they'll make you a video.

SPEAKER_03 2:54

It's interactive.

SPEAKER_01 2:55

And that's what makes the platform very different.

SPEAKER_03 2:58

It's all at the discretion of the creator. There's a lot to unpack with OnlyFans, depending on how you want to judge it. I think that it's very interesting when you look at it in terms of like the economy of OnlyFans and the popularity of OnlyFans. And I think that the it's all tied to just sort of like the hustler economy, and everybody's trying to make it make a dollar. Like Shannon Elizabeth, let's be real, she doesn't have a lot of other things going on, right? But she's able to capitalize on what she did, you know, 30 years ago by doing OnlyFans. And look at how much money she's making.

SPEAKER_01 3:46

Let's talk numbers.

SPEAKER_03 3:48

Okay, let's talk numbers.

SPEAKER_01 3:49

OnlyFans just sold this May a 16% stake.

SPEAKER_03 3:54

I don't even know what that means, what you just said.

SPEAKER_01 3:57

So they sold 16% of the company of ownership.

SPEAKER_02 4:02

Oh, okay.

SPEAKER_01 4:03

For a half a billion dollars, and the company was valued at$3.5 billion.

unknown 4:08

Okay.

SPEAKER_01 4:08

I looked up some companies that that is bigger than purple. Oh, bigger than. Oh, what's it bigger than build a bear workshop. Bigger than build a bear workshop. That's shocking. That you didn't know.

SPEAKER_03 4:19

Because that's quite a business model. They don't even have to make the bears, they just rely on kids. That's child labor.

SPEAKER_01 4:28

There's 377 million fan accounts.

SPEAKER_03 4:33

Wow.

SPEAKER_01 4:34

And there's 4.6 million creators.

SPEAKER_03 4:37

I mean, so Cardi B has an OnlyFans account.$46 million a year. I got just on her OnlyFans.

SPEAKER_01 4:47

Why are we waiting, Kelly?

SPEAKER_03 4:48

I don't. What are we doing with our lives?

SPEAKER_01 4:52

This sounds beautiful and wonderful, but it's Cardi B. She already has a massive fan base that's like, yeah, she's over there. We'll come and do it. Do you think I'd make money on OnlyFans if I was filming myself just trying to find my glasses?

SPEAKER_03 5:09

You don't even wear glasses. Um, yes, I do.

SPEAKER_01 5:16

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 5:17

I think it would take a long time for it to catch on.

SPEAKER_01 5:20

Right.

SPEAKER_03 5:20

But yeah, I do.

SPEAKER_01 5:22

Oh, there's Don stumbling around finding his glasses. Every video would just be Don trying to find his glasses.

SPEAKER_03 5:28

I don't think it should be a video of you finding your glasses. It should be like first person perspective. Yeah. And you should just be like frantically like looking around and moving things. That's the video.

SPEAKER_01 5:40

That would scare people and be like, ah.

SPEAKER_03 5:42

It might stress them out, but they might, it might become like a Where's Waldo game and they'd be like, they're right there. They're right there. So it could be fun. Your glasses. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 5:54

You could be like hot and cold, so people could like you could have a tier where it's done.

SPEAKER_03 5:59

We're coming up with something great.

SPEAKER_01 6:01

Exactly. It'd be like a game. So it'd be like we'd have the 599 tier.

SPEAKER_03 6:07

Like a version.

SPEAKER_01 6:08

That's part, a lot of it. Oh, okay. That's a lot of OnlyFans, is that there's live chats, and you can get that. And so they'd be like, turn left. And then I'd turn left. And they'd be like, no, no, right. And I I think we're on to something.

SPEAKER_03 6:20

I think we might be. Yeah. All right. Interesting.

SPEAKER_01 6:23

This would be like, help Don find his glasses.

SPEAKER_03 6:26

Yeah, maybe. I like that. We'll work on the name.

SPEAKER_01 6:30

But the idea is solid.

SPEAKER_03 6:32

The idea is golden, but the name needs work. Did you know, Don, that last year Americans spent more money on OnlyFans than New York Times and ChatGPT combined? Well, yeah, because I know they're not that impressive. I know.

SPEAKER_01 6:51

New York Times pulls in about probably$100 a month, and ChatGPT probably pulls in$100,000.

SPEAKER_03 6:57

New York Times does not make$100 a month.

SPEAKER_01 7:00

I was being sarcastic. That's called sarcasm.

SPEAKER_03 7:02

I know, but it's not outlandish sarcasm.

SPEAKER_01 7:06

Sorry. I was making a point of nobody pays for print media. When you hear OnlyFans, what do you think? What's your first reaction?

SPEAKER_03 7:15

Porn.

SPEAKER_01 7:17

Okay.

SPEAKER_03 7:18

What do you think when you hear OnlyFans?

SPEAKER_01 7:20

Tell me more.

SPEAKER_03 7:21

No, seriously, what do you think?

SPEAKER_01 7:22

Tell me more. I think, huh?

SPEAKER_03 7:26

That's what you think is huh?

SPEAKER_01 7:27

Yeah. And then I'm like, huh, I wonder how my grass is doing. Then it passes through my brain very quickly. That's interesting. No, realistically, I think it's the Uber, it's DoorDash on the internet. It's the hustle economy.

SPEAKER_03 7:46

Yeah, that's what it is.

SPEAKER_01 7:48

Right now, content, meaning not just YouTube content or online content, but musicians and filmmakers and artists are struggling. And they're at this reckoning with AI and the economy. And it's really hard as an artist. And I can tell you, as a firsthand, as an artist that has been a working director and a successful director for the past 30 years, 25 years.

SPEAKER_03 8:22

I started directing when I was 13.

SPEAKER_01 8:25

18. 18 is when I joined the Yes.

SPEAKER_03 8:29

It's been a while.

SPEAKER_01 8:30

It's harder now than ever.

SPEAKER_03 8:32

Yeah. And so are you telling me you're gonna join OnlyFans?

SPEAKER_01 8:36

What if you joined it with me?

SPEAKER_03 8:38

No, Don.

SPEAKER_01 8:39

What if it was you having quiet time and we just filmed you having quiet time and I just interrupted you? And that was the videos. It's you trying to have quiet time in different areas, and then Don would interrupt.

SPEAKER_03 8:52

This is the thing. Who wants to see that?

SPEAKER_01 8:54

I don't know.

SPEAKER_03 8:55

I just, you know. Maybe certain parts of social media and things are like it's intrusive, but it's like you're intruding on yourself by putting yourself out there, you know? It's not really in my personality to do that.

SPEAKER_01 9:14

So what you're talking about now is is privacy a wasted inventory at this moment?

SPEAKER_03 9:20

Is it wasted inventory?

SPEAKER_01 9:23

Yes.

SPEAKER_03 9:23

Okay.

SPEAKER_01 9:24

A wasted inventory.

SPEAKER_03 9:25

Tell me what that means.

SPEAKER_01 9:26

Privacy is being thrown out the window, and we are selling access to ourselves.

SPEAKER_03 9:34

Yes, that is what we're doing. It's basically monetizing who you are. It's monetizing privacy, basically. Yes. It's saying like that you can make money off of like every moment of your life, essentially.

SPEAKER_01 9:50

If you want to have a relationship with me, you can, but it's gonna cost you$20 a month. It's not only OnlyFans.

SPEAKER_03 10:00

No, it's not only OnlyFans. This might this might be different than what you're talking about, but I visit this blog a lot, and I have for many, many years. And the writer of the blog has started talking a lot about her personal relationships. She's divorced now and she's dating. And I have always been struck and uncomfortable by how open she is about it. Like, oh, we talked about moving in together. We talked about marriage. Oh, we broke up, and this is why. Like, I just feel like if I was him, I would not be comfortable with that. That is your private stuff. Do you know what I mean?

SPEAKER_01 10:51

Kelly's talking about cup of joe. She likes to be very vague on this show. I don't know why. Uh, this is common knowledge in public arena.

SPEAKER_03 10:59

It's a blog called Cup of Joe.

SPEAKER_01 11:02

Yeah. So the next step would basically be her making herself available to her fans.

SPEAKER_03 11:10

So she does. This is what I'm saying is that there's a lot.

SPEAKER_01 11:14

Does she interact with them?

SPEAKER_03 11:16

Yes. There is a free blog, which is what I go to because I am cheap. You can then subscribe to a Substack, which is like a newsletter. So you pay extra for increased um material and I guess maybe access. And on the Substack, she'll do Ask Me Anything. And so people will ask, Why did you break up? And then she will answer it.

SPEAKER_01 11:43

Did you ask what color are your bath towels?

SPEAKER_03 11:46

I don't do it because I don't pay, but I'm but that's what I'm saying is like for the people that pay, they get that access and she opens herself up to it. It's just an interesting change in society that people feel comfortable asking somebody that you don't even know personal questions like that. And then the person that doesn't even know the person asking says, Oh, well, let me tell you more.

SPEAKER_01 12:18

So, what Kelly has just described, and what OnlyFans is, is it's part of what's called the access economy. It's pain to have access to people, and it can be famous people, it can be comedians, it can be authors, it can be it could be blog writers, it can be your neighbor. It is now showing up in a website called Patrone.

SPEAKER_03 12:42

I think it's Patreon.

SPEAKER_01 12:44

Patreon. Thank you.

SPEAKER_03 12:45

Patrone is something else, dog.

SPEAKER_01 12:47

Oh, I see when I see that word is Patrone. I'm like, let's do shots. Patreon. It shows up in Patreon, and Patreon is basically like OnlyFans, but it's not for adult content. So if you have a musician that you love that you want to reach out to, you can get on Patreon. And if they're on Patreon, they you can message them directly.

SPEAKER_03 13:10

So funny because I've I had never heard of this website.

SPEAKER_01 13:13

If you have a podcast you love, we're not on it, you can subscribe and you can communicate with them directly. It allows for creator and follower to immediately connect. There's also cameo where if you want somebody famous, I mean, we're not talking A-list, but somebody very high up, athlete, to send you a video saying, Happy birthday, Kelly.

SPEAKER_03 13:37

Substack bums me out because I've had multiple blogs that have basically shifted to Substack. And so I don't I'm not gonna pay.

SPEAKER_01 13:57

Now fame is you are reachable.

SPEAKER_03 14:00

This all goes back to your original question about joining OnlyFans, and it's just not something that I would be comfortable doing.

SPEAKER_01 14:09

You don't like to sell yourself.

SPEAKER_03 14:12

No. In a non you know that about no, I'm not even talking in a sexual way. I'm just saying, like, you know that about me. I am not interested in selling myself.

SPEAKER_01 14:22

You're not gonna go and like, hey, I'm not you can chat with Kelly for$5.99 uh a month and she will answer your phone call.

SPEAKER_03 14:30

And then I would add a note, like, why would you do that? That's a stupid choice.

SPEAKER_01 14:35

Yeah. And then they're like unsubscribed. They're like, dang it, I needed that$599.

SPEAKER_03 14:39

It's basically satisfying two things in one. The creators are able to make money in I would assume a relatively easy way.

SPEAKER_01 14:51

Well, I think that's where it's a little ease of making money, I think, sounds better when you say Cardi B made$46 million. It's like, yeah, well, she's famous.

SPEAKER_03 15:01

Regardless of the ease of it, the creators are doing it to make money, and that satisfies them or whatever. But the fans are doing it because they're looking for connection in a lot of ways. So it is, in fact, satisfying two very different needs in society right now.

SPEAKER_01 15:23

They're doing God's work, Don. You know, and I don't go down the loneliness connective to call it.

SPEAKER_03 15:28

Don't even react to me. You're like, yes. That's right.

SPEAKER_01 15:33

They are doing God's work. You're not wrong. Let's continue. Are they doing God's work, Kelly?

SPEAKER_03 15:40

I was let's bring the joke back. No, it's the show. My bad. I missed it.

SPEAKER_01 15:44

Thank you for calling out me not listening.

SPEAKER_03 15:47

It was gonna be a really good joke, too. Anyways, you were saying.

SPEAKER_01 15:54

Um, I was saying, oh, that it's not just to connect, that I think it's a new form of entertainment.

SPEAKER_03 16:04

Yeah, it's like 4D entertainment. It's like where you get to, yeah, it's like, I mean, my God, could you imagine if like VR headsets get involved?

SPEAKER_01 16:14

That was gonna be real weird. Who would you subscribe to? What person that but it doesn't even need to be on OnlyFans, it could be on Pathrone? What was it again?

SPEAKER_03 16:29

Patreon.

SPEAKER_01 16:29

Patreon.

SPEAKER_03 16:30

This is the thing, is I am so cheap, I'm not even subscribing to people that I already read online on their sub stacks. Like I'm not a subscriber person.

SPEAKER_01 16:41

So let's say the next Tom Cruise movie comes out.

SPEAKER_03 16:45

I'll go see it.

SPEAKER_01 16:46

And he makes it so you have to only get it through Tom Cruise's Patron channel. Tom would never do that. Because Tom is amazing. And he wants access to movies for everybody.

SPEAKER_02 17:02

Exactly.

SPEAKER_01 17:02

But what if the next up-and-coming star does that? Who would it take for you to be like, I'm willing to pay$5.99?

SPEAKER_03 17:10

Oh, so for the sake of argument, we'll just say Tom Cruise. So they announced they're gonna make another Top Gun movie. If that Top Gun movie came out on something like if I could only see it ever in my life on Tom Cruise's channel, then I would subscribe to watch it and then I would cancel the subscription.

SPEAKER_01 17:30

But the problem with the subscription world is they bank on that idea because most people don't actually cancel. They sign up for a show.

SPEAKER_02 17:38

Right.

SPEAKER_01 17:38

But that's the thing is people are just becoming subscription services. Movie stars in the future will just be a subscription service. What would it take for you to sign up for OnlyFans?

SPEAKER_03 17:52

Uh desperation. Um, for me to sign up for OnlyFans, I think that I would not sign up for OnlyFans as long as it is so associated with adult content.

SPEAKER_01 18:14

Got it. So you think it's still taboo?

SPEAKER_03 18:16

Yes.

SPEAKER_01 18:17

You don't think it's mainstream enough?

SPEAKER_03 18:18

If it became this Netflix of creator content and it was like um a little bit more mainstream and recognized as that way, then I would be more comfortable.

SPEAKER_01 18:31

Kelly's game.

SPEAKER_03 18:32

I wouldn't be comfortable being like, oh, I started an OnlyFans page, but but it's on gardening or whatever. Like, you know what I mean? I don't want to have to do that.

SPEAKER_01 18:42

Uh you don't even like telling people you have a podcast.

SPEAKER_03 18:45

I don't. You know, I don't like to sell myself, Don.

SPEAKER_01 18:50

Are you selling yourself right now?

SPEAKER_03 18:52

Um a little bit. Are you selling yourself right now?

SPEAKER_01 18:56

Doing a very poor job.

SPEAKER_03 18:58

You're a terrible salesman.

SPEAKER_01 19:00

Terrible salesman. Uh no, I think we're doing something that is fun. I've always enjoyed making content. Yeah. And this is easy to do.

SPEAKER_03 19:11

But you haven't always made content that includes yourself.

SPEAKER_01 19:16

So I've been a writer, director, editor, and this is the first time that the content includes myself.

SPEAKER_03 19:22

That's what I'm saying. So it is different.

SPEAKER_01 19:24

But that was the draw. Oh, you were like, I want to be included. Let's play would you subscribe? Would you subscribe? A guy reviewing every parking lot in Burbank.

SPEAKER_03 19:35

In Burbank? I would subscribe if it was every parking lot like where we live.

SPEAKER_01 19:41

You watch that person who talks about Trader Joe's parking lots.

SPEAKER_00 19:45

I'm TJ and I'm Parker. And we're the architects who designed the Trader Joe's parking lots. Trader Joe's is not your average grocery store, so it does not deserve your average parking lot. Get rid of this big one. Get three compact spaces. One a cart return that's gonna only only hold about five carts. These are necessary. Shoppers love Trader Joe's Frayers creative products.

SPEAKER_03 20:06

Those guys are really funny, and it evidently it's a shtick that they do all over the place. They also did an in and out drive-thru critique. It's funny.

SPEAKER_01 20:17

Would you subscribe to a woman whispering Costco deals?

SPEAKER_03 20:21

No.

SPEAKER_01 20:23

$5.99 for a gallon of milk.

SPEAKER_03 20:25

Why is she whispering? Like it's a secret. Don't tell anyone.

SPEAKER_01 20:29

40 pounds of meat for$25.

SPEAKER_03 20:33

Just meat.

SPEAKER_01 20:34

A case of alcohol,$35.99.

SPEAKER_03 20:38

Okay, I understand now.

SPEAKER_01 20:40

I was waiting for you to give me one back.

SPEAKER_03 20:42

Oh, I don't have one. I can't do that.

SPEAKER_01 20:45

What about a married couple arguing about where the scissors went? No.

SPEAKER_03 20:50

Because that argument would end with one of them like stabbing the other with the scissors.

SPEAKER_01 20:55

You took the scissors.

SPEAKER_03 20:57

Yeah, no, I would not. You would not either, right?

SPEAKER_01 21:00

The other day I got mad at Kelly because she used my screen.

SPEAKER_03 21:04

You did?

SPEAKER_01 21:05

Well, I didn't.

SPEAKER_03 21:06

What did I what did I use?

SPEAKER_01 21:08

Mad is an overstatement.

SPEAKER_03 21:09

What did I use?

SPEAKER_01 21:10

Me getting mad is like, where is this? Uh the other day I was less than pleased because Kelly had used my work gloves and I couldn't find them. It came to be that I actually had put them in another place.

SPEAKER_03 21:26

I was gonna say, like, I did not, I put them back.

SPEAKER_01 21:30

Yeah. How many times have you gotten mad at your spouse?

SPEAKER_03 21:34

I love that you got mad at me about that. Like you no, you probably did. For a minute, you were probably like, she lost my fucking work gloves.

SPEAKER_01 21:43

Well, in my head.

SPEAKER_03 21:44

That bitch.

SPEAKER_01 21:46

All right. Next one. A celebrity showing only what's inside their fridge.

SPEAKER_03 21:51

I would subscribe to that. It's an awesome idea.

SPEAKER_01 21:54

It's like cribs, but for fridges.

SPEAKER_03 21:57

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 21:58

A teenager explaining. Why you are embarrassing.

SPEAKER_03 22:02

I don't need to subscribe to that because I live it.

SPEAKER_01 22:05

I got it.

SPEAKER_03 22:06

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 22:06

If we had an OnlyFans, what would our tiers be?

SPEAKER_03 22:09

Tier? Oh, because you pay for tears.

SPEAKER_01 22:12

On these channels, there are subscription levels. So for$5.99, you get one thing. For$10.99, you get another.

SPEAKER_03 22:20

How many tiers are we talking?

SPEAKER_01 22:22

You get to make the tiers up, Kelly.

SPEAKER_03 22:24

Oh, okay.

SPEAKER_01 22:25

Well, for$1.99, I will sit and stare at you like this.

SPEAKER_03 22:30

For how long?

SPEAKER_01 22:31

Well, it's a staring contest with the person on the other side till they like.

SPEAKER_03 22:35

Oh, well, they blinked. What will you do for more money?

SPEAKER_01 22:38

I will do a dance for you for$5.99.

SPEAKER_03 22:42

I would do a dance.

SPEAKER_01 22:43

It would be like a little of this. I would do a dance. Like some of this. I enjoy dancing for free, so why not get paid$5.99?

SPEAKER_03 22:50

I love dancing in front of the boys and having them be like, what are you doing?

SPEAKER_01 22:54

Usually I'm also like, what are you doing? Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 22:59

Yeah, because my dances when I do that are more like jigs. I do a little jig.

SPEAKER_01 23:04

Would you pay for$10.99 Don stretching?

SPEAKER_03 23:08

No. I won't.

SPEAKER_01 23:09

And then picking stuff up.

SPEAKER_03 23:11

No, I wouldn't.

SPEAKER_01 23:12

What if my stretches were in like weird positions?

SPEAKER_03 23:15

Then it might look like dancing.

SPEAKER_01 23:17

You already paid for the cheaper two.

SPEAKER_03 23:18

Yeah, it's like we already got some movement.

SPEAKER_01 23:21

Approximately 27% of the creators on OnlyFans are 56 and above.

SPEAKER_03 23:30

27% of the creators.

SPEAKER_01 23:32

Shannon Elizabeth would fit into that category.

SPEAKER_03 23:35

Do you mean the lady from Austin Powers?

SPEAKER_01 23:37

That's Heather Graham. I get the two mixed up. The OnlyFans owner died at 43.

SPEAKER_03 23:45

You share this, like it's a fun fact. That is really terrible.

SPEAKER_01 23:49

It is terrible. He was making$1.9 million a day.

SPEAKER_03 23:53

He had four children.

SPEAKER_01 23:54

Worth several billions of dollars.

SPEAKER_03 23:55

He was Ukrainian.

SPEAKER_01 23:56

Damn, we know all sorts of facts.

SPEAKER_03 23:59

We're just like wham. We should go in jeopardy.

SPEAKER_01 24:01

Ukraine is in a war.

SPEAKER_03 24:05

That's all we got.

SPEAKER_01 24:08

We're ending at the war.

SPEAKER_03 24:09

All right.

SPEAKER_01 24:10

All right. You want to give a verdict? I mean, we basically said why it's blowing up. Yeah. It's blowing up because there's a larger swath across the entertainment economy on the internet to become this access economy.

SPEAKER_03 24:25

And I would say that that's because it allows people a sort of a pseudo-social connection and it allows people on the other end to make money.

SPEAKER_01 24:37

You know what this access economy is like? What? It's like going to Disneyland and then having to pay for the lightning lane. You pay for a ticket to join, and then you gotta pay for the more.

SPEAKER_02 24:48

I see.

SPEAKER_01 24:49

Damn you, Disneyland.

SPEAKER_02 24:50

That's how they getcha.

SPEAKER_01 24:52

I'm a mild Disney adult. I'm only I'm willing to pay, but not that much.

SPEAKER_03 24:58

Yeah, I get that. I do like Disney though.

SPEAKER_01 25:02

So shall we see what the AI has to say?

SPEAKER_03 25:04

Sure. Let's see what AI.

SPEAKER_01 25:07

Why OnlyFans is booming? Don and Kelly versus the AI. You're gonna go down AI.

SPEAKER_03 25:15

It's never versus, it's always like Don and Kelly and AI agree.

SPEAKER_01 25:20

Well, that's because AI always agrees with you, no matter what you say. The question for the Claude brain, AI, is why is OnlyFans booming? OnlyFans has seen massive growth for several interconnected reasons. Supply side, the creators, uh, demand side, the subscribers. That's how stuff works usually, but it gives some descriptions. Cultural shifts, the HUSA culture uh mindset, normalized monetizing personal assets, including appearance. Influencer culture has already primed people to pay for exclusive access, the inflection point of COVID that flipped it over, and the celebrity synups that brought massive mainstream attention and legitimate legitimacy.

SPEAKER_03 26:10

Legitimacy.

SPEAKER_01 26:12

It has turned attention, something social media has always monetized for corporations, into something individual creators can monetize, monetize directly for themselves. I think that's the biggest takeaway, right there, Kelly, is that uh OnlyFans is an example, the biggest example of this access economy and it's creators not giving money to these huge corporations anymore, but taking it in for themselves.

SPEAKER_03 26:42

Yeah, I think that the breakdown of of how the money is dispersed is unique.

SPEAKER_01 26:48

With that, we are opening our own what is it called?

SPEAKER_03 26:52

I don't know.

SPEAKER_01 26:53

Patreon.

SPEAKER_03 26:54

Patreon.

SPEAKER_01 26:55

I can't even say it right.

SPEAKER_03 26:56

I think it's Patreon.

SPEAKER_01 26:57

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 26:57

I mean, it would be really funny if at the end of this we discover that I'm correcting you incorrectly.

SPEAKER_01 27:03

Well, I'm sure you're not because you always correct me correctly. Stop. But really, that's what we should be doing here is opening our own Patreon. And for all of those who love us, who enjoy this conversation, come over and join us.

SPEAKER_03 27:21

All right, let's do that.

SPEAKER_01 27:22

Now we actually have to start it.

SPEAKER_03 27:23

Now we're not gonna. Um, do you want to talk about um what you think for the future, what your predictions are? What do you think people need to give time to, Don? Just give it time.

SPEAKER_01 27:39

Give it time or predictions. Yeah. I predict that everything is going to go towards the subscription model. I do predict that with more bands you will subscribe to them.

SPEAKER_02 27:53

Okay.

SPEAKER_01 27:54

You will subscribe to, let's say, uh Justin Bieber, Taylor Swift directly.

SPEAKER_03 28:01

Okay, but what do you get with that subscription?

SPEAKER_01 28:04

All sorts of interesting stuff. It's like a wine club. Like you have a wine club subscription. I have my Justin Bieber subscription. Jelly of the month. We have our two awesome people subscription. Yes. I think that people did subscriptions for physical things and now it's becoming for entertainment. And you will subscribe to for your toilet paper or your underwear or your own. Well, yeah, you can already do that. That's true. And I think subscriptions are just going to go through the roof.

SPEAKER_03 28:35

Well, that's too bad because I don't like that.

SPEAKER_01 28:37

You can't even buy anything anymore. You have to subscribe.

SPEAKER_03 28:41

I don't have a prediction, but I did want to recommend something to the fine people and the shitty people. I'll recommend it to everybody.

SPEAKER_01 28:51

One last thing before we leave Kelly's recommendation.

SPEAKER_03 28:54

On Netflix, there is a comedy special by Shang Wang. It's called Purple, and it's friggin' hilarious. So I recommend it to anybody who likes stand-up comedy. And if you like cooking, yeah, he does a lot about cooking.

SPEAKER_01 29:10

Shallots are the pretty, beautiful cousin of the onion.

SPEAKER_03 29:14

He does a bit on cumin.

SPEAKER_01 29:16

The funk. The funk.

SPEAKER_03 29:18

Who just said it's all very funny, and it's also like very delightful and clean.

SPEAKER_01 29:24

So it's uh We watched it with our kids.

SPEAKER_03 29:27

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 29:28

They didn't laugh once.

SPEAKER_03 29:29

You haven't even finished it yet. Nate laughed a lot. I finished it with him the other day.

SPEAKER_01 29:33

Oh. Our other one just laid there and said, Don't turn it off.

SPEAKER_03 29:38

Which is a glowing review.

SPEAKER_01 29:40

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 29:40

Um, all right. Well, that that was a lovely chat, Don.

SPEAKER_01 29:44

Yeah. Thank you for chatting with me, Kelly.

SPEAKER_03 29:46

Thank you, Don.

SPEAKER_01 29:48

Thank you for uh listening, watching. Please subscribe, follow us. We really appreciate it. Oh, wait, that sounds what'd you say, needy last time? Desperate. Ah, desperate. I'm not desperate at all, but I do appreciate it. And uh we'll talk to you next week.

SPEAKER_03 30:06

All right, bye.