The Field is White: Miracles, Angels, and Basketball in Peru – Megan Roberts Thomas

In this episode of the Mission Stories podcast, Shawn welcomes Megan Roberts Thomas, who served in the Trujillo Peru Mission. Once a self-described "punk kid," Megan shares her transformation into an ambitious and consecrated disciple who learned to see the hand of God in the smallest details of missionary life. The conversation centers on the shift from a "lukewarm" or "casual" approach to the gospel to a "careful," intentional faith that allows a missionary to become a true instrument in the Lord's hands.

The Power of Ten Minutes: The Story of Juan

Megan highlights the principle that God often provides miracles after a trial of faith or a demonstration of diligence. After a "super tough week," Megan and her companion felt the temptation to finish their day early, but instead chose to use their final ten minutes to call one last referral. That referral was Juan, a man who had been waiting for the missionaries to call and was already "golden" and ready to receive the gospel.

This story illustrates Principle Four: The Word of God, as Juan was converted primarily through his own "feasting" on the Book of Mormon. By the time the missionaries taught him, the Spirit had already acted as the teacher, providing the "substance and evidence" of the truth. Shawn emphasizes that while a missionary's charisma is helpful, it can never match the power of the scriptures to lead a soul to Christ.

Visions and Restoration: Orasio

One of the most profound accounts in the episode involves Orasio, a 75-year-old man who Megan describes as "humble" and "funny". Orasio had been listening to the missionaries teach his wife but was not initially interested in progressing himself. His heart changed following a powerful dream where he saw a person who told him he needed to become a "restored child of God".

In a miraculous moment of divine timing, Megan happened to be carrying a framed picture of Jesus Christ to their next lesson. When Orasio saw the picture, he recognized the Savior from his vision instantly. This experience confirmed to Orasio that the message of the Restoration was what he had been seeking. Megan reflects on the deep humility required for a 75-year-old man to ride his bike to church in the heat, sweating but eager to be confirmed a member of the Church.

The "Ghost" Basketball Player: Divine Redirection

Megan shares an experience of "divine redirection" that underscores Principle Five: Angels and Miracles. After feeling a strong prompting to contact a man playing basketball, Megan and her companion tracked him to a specific house. When they knocked, the man was nowhere to be found, but they instead met a mother who had been praying for a "signal from God" to help her family. This prompting led to the baptism of her children and the family's sealing in the temple. Megan observes that while the initial goal wasn't met, following the Spirit led them exactly where they were needed.

Closing: Careful vs. Casual Discipleship

The episode concludes with an invitation to move away from a "lukewarm" or "casual" life. Referencing the teaching to be "careful vs. casual," Megan encourages listeners to act with intention in their prayers, scripture study, and covenants. Shawn reinforces that when we choose to be "hot" and intentional, the Savior can use us to perform miracles and find the "one" who is prepared.

Transcript

**Shawn:** Okay, welcome back to the Mission Stories podcast. All right, today's episode we have a special guest. I've been waiting to bring you here, but then you got distracted in life and you were like, "Eh, I'm going to go to school." And then you were like, "I'm going to get married." And then you're like, "Uh, I'm going to get into the advertising program at BYU and just go like and so every time you had these excuses."

**Megan:** It's true.

**Shawn:** No more excuses.

**Megan:** No more excuses. I'm hearing I'm excited.

**Shawn:** Well, I—this isn't on you. I get credit for bringing you here because you only came here not for the podcast. You came here for another guest. We had the great Molly Baxter who had this great story about Tishi, the miracle of Tishi. Such an amazing story. But we—we're here to celebrate her wedding. She just got married.

**Megan:** Yep. Exactly. It was a great wedding.

**Shawn:** You flew all the way in.

**Megan:** Yep. We did.

**Shawn:** Amazing.

**Megan:** We partied hard.

**Shawn:** Okay. So, you—we've known you—I've known you for a long time. I don't know how old you were. You were 14, 13, something like that.

**Megan:** I don't remember. Yeah.

**Shawn:** And you guys were all a bunch of punk kids.

**Megan:** Yeah, we were.

**Shawn:** Were you a punk kid?

**Megan:** No, I don't think so.

**Shawn:** Uh, well, which one is it? You said, "Yeah, we were." And now you say no.

**Megan:** Maybe a little more than I am now.

**Shawn:** Okay. Okay. You're less of a punk. Hopefully. Well, give—before we get into your amazing stories and your mission and your wisdom that you're going to teach everybody, tell us about yourself.

**Megan:** Well, just at BYU studying advertising. I got a year left, so I'm almost done.

**Shawn:** But what's your name?

**Megan:** Megan. Megan Robert. Roberts. Hello. Yes. Megan Roberts.

**Shawn:** Megan Roberts.

**Megan:** Megan Roberts Thomas.

**Shawn:** Megan Roberts Thomas—just happened. What the heck just happened?

**Megan:** Okay. I haven't changed my name yet. I still go by Megan. My middle name's Roberts now. So, it's still part of my name. I couldn't get rid of it. I was like, I have to keep it.

**Shawn:** Wait, legally?

**Megan:** Yeah, legally. Cuz I don't have a middle name. So, it's Megan Roberts Thomas.

**Shawn:** But you are Megan Thomas.

**Megan:** Yeah, Megan Thomas. But I haven't changed it yet legally.

**Shawn:** Oh, your generation is so confusing to me. You guys get engaged, but you don't really get engaged cuz I have to take a photo and post on Instagram. But you've been engaged for 3 months, but it's not engaged. I get married and I—I did change my name, but I didn't change my name. So, I'll go—wait. So, you—so, you tell people—so, who are you?

**Megan:** Well, okay. I—I need to change my name legally because in every system it's still Megan Roberts, but only in the church am I Megan Thomas.

**Shawn:** Oh, I see you.

**Megan:** So, I'm—I'm Megan Thomas, but yeah, still Megan Roberts. Both.

**Shawn:** Okay, listeners, that was the most confusing introduction. Let's start again. Megan Roberts. What's your name? Who are you?

**Megan:** Megan Thomas. Used to be Megan Roberts. So—

**Shawn:** Oh, that was a lot simpler. Good job.

**Megan:** There we go.

**Shawn:** Okay. Anyways. Okay. Cuz recently married.

**Megan:** Recently married in September.

**Shawn:** Congrats. Dude's awesome.

**Megan:** It's been great.

**Shawn:** Okay. Good.

**Megan:** Great time. Yep. So anyways, studying at BYU left in the advertising program. It's been great. Um I don't know what else about me. I'm just working, doing school, just got married. That's kind of it. Then we love you. You're happy, short, person that is. Oh, wait. You're not short.

**Megan:** No.

**Shawn:** Are you happy?

**Megan:** Happy.

**Shawn:** Yeah. Happy.

**Megan:** Yeah. Do you get sick of people asking you how tall you are?

**Shawn:** Um, sometimes. Well, I'm allowed to ask because I get sick of people asking how short I am.

**Megan:** Yeah. No, I'm 5'9.

**Shawn:** That's not even that short, though.

**Megan:** That's average, but—

**Shawn:** It's average.

**Megan:** Yeah. I could say I'm above average. A little.

**Shawn:** A little above average. Maybe a tiny bit, you know. Is that a tiny bit? 6'2. No. Okay. So, before we get into this, so listeners, Megan's stories are incredible and we're going to dive deep into these amazing stories. Well, did you tell them where you served?

**Megan:** Yeah, I served in—well, I had a one transfer in Oregon.

**Shawn:** You did?

**Megan:** Yes.

**Shawn:** I didn't know that.

**Megan:** Yes, I was resigned to Oregon for one transfer because of COVID and then only one transfer and then after that to Peru.

**Shawn:** So, you were the end of CO?

**Megan:** Yeah, towards the end.

**Shawn:** Okay.

**Megan:** So, I got my visa after one transfer.

**Shawn:** So, things were normalizing and you were able to go and have like a—

**Megan:** Yeah. Okay. Yeah. But then I served in Trillo, Peru.

**Shawn:** Trillo, Peru.

**Megan:** Yes, dude. That's awesome.

**Shawn:** I know. Okay. It was great. And being 6'2 in Peru, what's the average height of the person?

**Megan:** Oh, like 5 foot.

**Shawn:** That's amazing. Did—did you ever consider like why that was? Like did that—that had to get you into doors? Like people had to be so fascinated with you.

**Megan:** Oh yeah. Well, everyone loved the missionaries because they were just these like Americans and you know they were like, "Oh, I want to talk to them." Like their accents. Anyway, and I asked you what your favorite part of your mission was and you just wouldn't shut up about how much you love the people. Why? Why do you love them?

**Megan:** They're just so humble. Every single one of them. They're just like the cutest on this planet. Like I love all of them. They're so cute.

**Shawn:** Do you talk about people like me that way being the stature I am? Is that how he—to your friend Taylor?

**Megan:** You would think they're short, too.

**Shawn:** Oh, but I'm tower over them.

**Megan:** Yes, it's true.

**Shawn:** Maybe I should go there.

**Megan:** Maybe you should—kidding.

**Shawn:** Okay. Okay. So, this is um what's interesting before we start and get your stories cuz we're going to talk about listeners, we're going to talk about three of the principles today. What's interesting is this. You—I know you as am—like if I had to describe Megan, I would say hilarious, witty, ambitious. Would you agree with that?

**Megan:** Oh, yeah.

**Shawn:** You would? Okay, good. And the ambitious thing is fascinating to me because you've been home for three years now and ever when I—for as long as I've known you, I just—yeah. I look at you as this ambitious person. Just go move on to the next thing. Excel in what I do. Just go.

**Megan:** Yeah.

**Shawn:** Sometimes with ambitious people, you do something and then you're on to the next thing and you forget. So, let's just paint the picture. We're at this wedding yesterday. I'm like, Megan, you're finally here to do the podcast and you're like, I don't remember anything about my mission.

**Megan:** Of course, I remember. Okay, I hold it true to my heart, but you don't—I feel like unless you write it down. That's why I'm a huge proponent of journaling now because I just read my journal and now I remember everything like—you remember the experience. You remember the person a little bit, but you don't remember the exact words to say in the details.

**Shawn:** The reason I bring it up is because I want to ask you the question. You showed up today. You're ready to record and you're like, I've been reading my journal. Now, I only point out that you're this ambitious person because I don't blame you for forgetting things and details. You're the type of person that goes move. Look, that's done. It was amazing. Now, let's do the next amazing thing. You just move on. You're in the presence.

**Megan:** Right. Yeah.

**Shawn:** How has it been for the last however many hours? Reading those journal. How do you feel? Like how does it—how does it make you feel?

**Megan:** It feels so good. I just remember I'm like, "Oh, I miss it." Like I just miss it. I miss the people. I miss teaching them. I miss everything about it.

**Shawn:** Like—like no regrets. Obviously, you're supposed to get back and move on in life and do all the great things that you're doing. Get married and kind of change your name—or maybe change your name. I still have no idea if she's changed her name. But you're supposed to get an educa—you're supposed to move on and start that family, move towards exaltation. So I don't blame you for like moving on. Like next, what's next? But again, and how has it felt to just sit and just like reminisce and remember and now today talk about those experiences. How does it make you feel?

**Megan:** It's—it's just like so cool to like read back and like I tried to be as detailed as I could in my journal and that's why I'm so glad that I wrote it down so that I can go back and read it and like it's almost like you're reliving the experience.

**Shawn:** Have you looked at it much in the last couple years?

**Megan:** Um I would—I would skim through it sometimes but recently I haven't just because I've been so busy and it's been here in California and I've been at school. So yeah.

**Shawn:** What advice would you give kids who have these great mission experiences come home and get busy in life like journaling. Do you recommend journaling?

**Megan:** Oh yeah. My brother's on his mission and he doesn't write anything. He doesn't even write emails. And I'm like Timmy, you need to write it because trust me, you are going to want to relive those experience and just like—just re—even like the way that I would speak about it and like speak about the gospel and the things that I've learned. It was just like cool to see like my perspective on things which is like now you think that you'll remember it but you really don't remember like the exact feelings that maybe you felt. So, it was just cool to have that written down and like reading that back and being like, "Okay, I knew exactly how I felt in this moment." Like, I knew the details of everything. So, just super powerful.

**Shawn:** And even though certain people like Megan Roberts Thomas moves on and somewhat forgets some of these stories, there's fun people like Sean, brother on record to—to remind you and to force you to do things like this to then go and reminisce and remember. Great. I'm so excited. Okay, so let's jump in. So, today we're going to talk about your mission in Peru. We're going to talk about a couple of stories and it's fun to hear the theme kind of that's coming out of this because um I think we want to focus at least starting off focusing—I don't know which principle like that's what's so fun about these things is so many of your experiences cover so many of these—they connect.

**Megan:** They connect. Right.

**Shawn:** Because we talk about principle four which is the word of God is the greatest tool that we have to lead a soul to Christ. We get this amazing opportunity this once in a-lifetime opportunity to present people with this holy book, the Book of Mormon.

**Megan:** Yeah.

**Shawn:** Many people hadn't even heard of it. Like the Peruians probably hadn't heard of it very much. And we get to introduce it to them and give it to them. And when they read that, the spirit of God witnesses to them that it is true and that Jesus Christ lives.

**Megan:** Yep.

**Shawn:** And we get to be a part of that. And God has given us that tool that essentially makes our job just so fun and so exciting.

**Megan:** Yeah.

**Shawn:** And so this principle that the word of God is the thing that answers questions, I kind of say to our students like, "I'm sure you're charismatic, Megan. You're charismatic. Yeah, but compared to the power of the scriptures teaching these people, sorry, has no chance."

**Megan:** No chance. No, none.

**Shawn:** Right. Your words are important, but not nearly as effective or important in leading a soul to Christ than the word of God itself. Like I—it reminds me of um after Christ's resurrection, those two disciples were walking on the road to Emmas. You remember this? And they were sad and then Christ comes up and starts walking with them and he—they don't recognize him.

**Megan:** Yeah.

**Shawn:** And at the end, they're like—Wa, this guy's amazing. Hey, it's late. Why don't you come eat with us? He breaks bread. He pours wine. He does the sacrament essentially. And he goes poof, he disappears. And they immediately like said their—their eyes were open. And then they said this, "Did our hearts not burn within us while we walked and talked and he opened to us the scriptures."

**Megan:** Yep.

**Shawn:** Like they were in the presence of the savior. Yeah. That wasn't even enough.

**Megan:** I know.

**Shawn:** But the scriptures burned in their hearts. Those truths led them to understand that Jesus Christ lives.

**Megan:** Yeah.

**Shawn:** And so we're going to talk about that—that principle quite a bit. I think the second principle is the fifth principle—the angels—angels and miracles—missionaries man if you would just have the faith of Megan. You will have—you'll hear—here these miracles that she got to be a part of and missionaries if you just go out believing that Jesus Christ loves these people so much and will—will change—like will do miracles crazy things to help you bring them to him.

**Megan:** It's so true.

**Shawn:** It's true.

**Megan:** Yeah. I think the—like ministering to the one is more of a mindset than like you know an action. Obviously it's an action but you do have to believe that you know God's going to be working through me to touch these people and through the power of God through the scriptures I can bring that spirit and it—help them.

**Shawn:** You believe that?

**Megan:** Yeah.

**Shawn:** Well prove it in these stories.

**Megan:** I know I will.

**Shawn:** Okay. Good.

**The Story of Juan**

**Shawn:** Okay. So let's start with the story of Juan.

**Megan:** Yeah. Juan. Uh—love Juan.

**Shawn:** Oh did I say it wrong?

**Megan:** No.

**Shawn:** Juan. Juan.

**Megan:** You said it great. It was perfect.

**Shawn:** Okay. Um, no. He—he was just golden. I—I don't know how much like we really didn't do that much to like, you know—

**Shawn:** You did.

**Megan:** We did.

**Shawn:** Of course you did. Without you, this wouldn't have happened.

**Megan:** I know. But it was seriously just like the spirit working with him. Like he was just such a cool dude. Anyways, me and my companion had a really, really hard week. I was training so it was new for me.

**Shawn:** Hard weeks on a mission when you work like crazy. And this is a principle of power. This is a true gospel principle. This is what we teach in principle number three. When I call it open your mouth and—and an open mouth finds listeners—or—or just what I really mean by that is work so hard, all your heart, might, mind, and strength and God will bless it. God will place you, like you said, in the positions you need to be in. So, you guys are having a super tough week and you decided to give up and just chill and watch a movie.

**Megan:** No, of course not. We could never do that. But anyways, we just got home from a lesson.

**Shawn:** Yeah.

**Megan:** And we were like, we hadn't found that many people that week and so we were just like, we need to find some new people. Like we just felt like a lot of our friends weren't really progressing and so we were like h—we just—it was just a really hard week. So we got on the phone.

**Shawn:** Did you—sorry, I interrupt. Did you not feel any temptation to give up or take break—a lot of the times you do feel that.

**Megan:** But I just always—and especially I was like trying to have my new you know trainee like have a good experience and so I knew we have to keep going like we need to show her that like if you don't give up God will always provide.

**Shawn:** Okay good.

**Megan:** So anyways we had like a couple—maybe it was like 10 minutes left um for the day and so we had a couple referrals so we're like let's just call some people and see you know if we can talk to any of them or teach any of them—called no answer for like all of the calls until there was like 2 minutes left and we're like we are going to find someone in this two minutes like we will we will and so I gave my companion the phone and she was just scrolling through and she's like oh this is a referral and I was like let's call him so it was Juan we called him and he was like I have been waiting for you guys' call for forever and she—yeah.

**Shawn:** So listeners like you pre-m missionaries out there you parents of premissionaries out there listen to the wisdom of Megan. Like it seems like such a small thing to say, "Okay, we've got 10 minutes before we're supposed to start getting ready for bed and like closing down."

**Megan:** Mhm.

**Shawn:** Now, a human being, a normal human being, Megan would be like, "It's all good, right? 10 minutes, that's nothing. Like, tomorrow, we have tomorrow. Like, let's just go, you know, whatever. It's not a big deal." It's not a sin.

**Megan:** No, it's not. Right. You won't be sent home.

**Shawn:** You don't need to repent for having like, "Hey, let's just get our pajamas on, brush our teeth, study—study study a little more. That's—that's 10 extra minutes of study."

**Megan:** Mhm.

**Shawn:** But there is something about a missionary and when you get in your soul that I am—I am here in this limited time to find souls to bring to Christ and that is what I'm sent to do and I have to give it everything that I've got. Then that 10 minutes becomes so precious. You're like this is 10 minutes I've got to do whatever I possibly can.

**Megan:** Yeah, dude.

**Shawn:** Bless you Megan. Punk Megan from being in my house talking about—well, I won't say what we talked about in the past cuz we got in some pretty heavy debates about the types of boys you like today.

**Megan:** Oh gosh. Yeah, I know.

**Shawn:** But bless you, that punk kid to—I love hearing you tell this story about how you were so converted or so passionate about leading souls to Christ that you weren't willing to waste 10 minutes.

**Megan:** Yeah.

**Shawn:** Okay. So, you just said call as many as we can. We barely have. Okay. Two minutes is left. How much easier to be like—

**Shawn:** Listeners, please listen to our beloved friend—this is the type of open your mouth and talk to everyone. The type of hard work that will make a huge difference on your mission. Don't give up just cuz there's 10 minutes or 2 minutes left. Do whatever you can. Open the windows and start shouting out the story of the restoration. Go out in the street for five minutes. Like do it. Just work. Yeah. Because what happens next is so amazing.

**Megan:** I know. It was crazy.

**Shawn:** Say what happens next.

**Megan:** So anyways, we called him. He was like, "Yeah, I've been waiting for this call." Like I was talking to missionaries in Venezuela. So, he moved to Peru and so we just got this referral. It just came in and he was like, I—I've been reading a few of the pamphlets and whatever and we're like, "Okay, cool." And so, we started asking him questions. We—we realized that he did know a little bit. And so, we were like, "Okay, we're going to send you this PDF of this pamphlet. Read this. We'll come teach you tomorrow." So, we went tomorrow. Um, and we had sent him a couple things to read and he read all of them. So, we got a—

**Shawn:** Surprise because—

**Megan:** A lot of people do that. No, not at all. And so, usually on the mission, you know, if you send people something, you're going to be teaching that same thing in that lesson the same day, right? Cuz they just don't really follow through as much. It's harder. So, we got there expecting to teach what we taught him yesterday or talked about, but he read it all and we were like, "Oh my gosh." He's like, "I want something more than these pamphlets." And so, we're like, "Okay, here's the Book of Mormon." So, we taught about the Book of Mormon, gave him a Book of Mormon, invited him to read it, and then we came back a couple days—

**Shawn:** And we were like, you can just read like the introduction or you know like how you kind of start. Um—

**Megan:** And the next lesson we came back and we're like okay so how much did you get read? And he just started flipping through the pages and me and my companion looked at each other. We're like okay okay. So this guy really wants to learn.

**Shawn:** How far did he get into it?

**Megan:** He was in like I think almost the end of First Nephi or whatever. So he read tons and he's like I don't know like I—he was like, "Obviously, I haven't read this book, but I need you guys to teach me more about this." And I felt a certain way reading this book. Like I don't know what it is. And so then we taught him, you know, like that's the spirit, you know, like teaching you—like we can sit here and teach you all day, but the—the spirit's going to teach you the most. And so that's what we told him is like you have so much faith, Juan, for you to read that book and the spirit God needs you here in this moment. And God is really the one teaching you in the spirit.

**Shawn:** Okay. So, so before you go on, what—

**Megan:** Next. Yeah.

**Shawn:** Let's read 2 Nephi 32:3–5. It says this, "Angels speak." Now, listeners, listen to this powerful, powerful principle. And this is why we just preach and preach and preach this principle four that—the word of God is the thing that answers all the questions, but also is the tool that God gives these people, all of us, to fill the Holy Ghost. He says this, "And angels speak by the power of the Holy Ghost. Wherefore they speak the words of Christ. Wherefore I said unto you, feast upon the words of Christ. For behold, the words of Christ will tell you all things what you should do." What I love about this is is that the—the tools that we have in 2026 in our hands are these amazing words of Christ. They've been canonized. They—they're printed. We have millions and millions of copies. They are—we have them in digital format. They are so easily accessible to us. Yet these words were spoken by angels which came through the power of the Holy Ghost which were the words of Jesus Christ.

**Megan:** Yeah.

**Shawn:** We have these tools and it tells us all that we can do. And then the next scripture or verse says, "Now after I've spoken these words, if you can't understand—understand them, then it will be because you ask not, neither do you knock. Wherefore, you are not brought into the light, but must perish in the dark. For behold, again, I say unto you, that if you will enter in by the way and receive the Holy Ghost, it will show you all the things what you should do." To me, I love this verse, Megan, because the combination of the word of God and praying is the best combination to invite the Holy Ghost. Now, Megan, yeah, I know you. You are charismatic. You're super smart. Were you a good teacher?

**Megan:** I—I mean, yeah, but—obviously, like I'm not going to sit here and say I was the best teacher ever.

**Shawn:** You were a good teacher.

**Megan:** I tried to be.

**Shawn:** Of course you tried. And she's humble, you know. Okay. Throughout your mission as you taught people effectively like I was a good teacher. I taught people effectively. When you look at Juan and his story, was it your charisma, your teaching, your ability to talk and explain things that helped this son of God come to Christ or was it something else?

**Megan:** No, it was definitely something else. And I think that's a lot of the times like you think I'm not going to go on a mission. I don't know enough. I don't know how to teach. I felt like that. I was like, I don't know how to teach people this. Like, do I even know it myself? But then you get on the mission. Obviously, you do need to know a little bit because you do have to teach and answer their—those questions. But the spirit is the teacher and like really did teach him. And it was him acting on his faith, right, to then learn these things and feel that spirit.

**Shawn:** It says there, if you seek and knock, right, if you really truly have a desire to know, you will seek and you will knock. Which was clearly his attitude towards this.

**Megan:** Yeah.

**Shawn:** And what did you say? What did he say? I read the Book of Mormon and I felt something.

**Megan:** Yeah.

**Shawn:** And you got to introduce the Holy Ghost and—and help him identify that.

**Megan:** Yeah.

**Shawn:** It's amazing.

**Megan:** Crazy.

**Shawn:** Okay. So, how—so he's re—he says to you, teach me more about this.

**Megan:** Yeah. He's like, I don't know what this book did to me, but like I need to know more. We're like, okay, like keep coming to church. Like we'll teach you the rest of the lesson. So, obviously we—we taught him all the lessons. He—he just kept reading everything we gave him. And he just loved it all. Like seriously loved it all. He had such good questions. He would come to church. He made great relationship with the ward.

**Shawn:** And he came every single Sunday.

**Megan:** And you—you said he needed to go. What was the rule in Peru? How many times you need to go to church?

**Megan:** I think it was four. You had to go to church four times or four weeks.

**Shawn:** So how long did it—did he get baptized?

**Megan:** Yeah. Right after those four weeks in a row.

**Shawn:** Seriously?

**Megan:** Yeah.

**Shawn:** Okay. So in that four weeks—so in those four weeks, so this guy magically shows up at your doorstep, right? You call—yeah. You literally are just call and because you were willing to open your mouth and work those extra hours—minutes.

**Megan:** Yeah.

**Shawn:** You find him and get through to him in the moment that he needed it.

**Megan:** Yeah.

**Shawn:** You guys show up now during that four weeks where he himself was golden and ready and preparing.

**Megan:** Mhm.

**Shawn:** How much teaching did you do and how effective was the teaching compared to this humble son of God feasting upon the words of Christ and just getting the spirit?

**Megan:** Yeah. And that's really what makes them a person ready. Like I feel like we all have to be converted at some point in our life and kind of like be born again in a sense. And that's kind of all you ever want as a missionary is you want this person to really be converted to what this gospel teaches and makes you feel, right? And so we could have said anything like we could have taught and had this whole elaborate lesson, but it was really him and the spirit that he brought based off of the faith and the things that he was doing. And it just was a huge difference in like the different types of people that we were teaching where just had to keep teaching the same thing over and over in a cycle—like he was progressing with the spirit because he wanted to be.

**Shawn:** And we've all had—I'm assuming you've had—we've all had this experience when we kind of discover scripture, right? We're born and raised in the church. We know the scriptures. But those moments where you first start feasting upon the words of Christ, not just looking at it or nibbling, but feasting. We all have that experience of discovering there's power in this. This isn't just words printed on paper. This is the word of God. And the Holy Ghost burns in my soul or whispers in that still small voice that these things are true.

**Megan:** Yeah.

**Shawn:** And Juan was feeling that. And so, like you said, it didn't really matter what you taught him or how much time you spent with him. He was doing the things that brought him to the Savior. He was learning of the Savior and forming a relationship because he was feasting on his words and praying.

**Megan:** Yeah.

**Shawn:** So powerful. I know. And—and what does it—listeners? What does this story teach you? Two things. One, you listeners, how do you yourself come to Christ? Have you feasted on the words like Juan did? Have you prayed like Juan did. How are you going to help others do that if you haven't done it yourself?

**Megan:** Mhm.

**Shawn:** Start like Megan. What's your advice to the—these kids listening?

**Megan:** Basically, just like you're never too young to learn and never too old to change. Like I always tried to—

**Shawn:** Nice.

**Megan:** Keep that mindset of just like you really just need—like just start reading the Book of Mormon. You could say like, "Oh, but I'm too old or maybe I don't know enough or I'm not going to understand it." Like there's a lot of doubt that can happen, but just do it. And just know—like if you're with faith, God will do the rest and like miracles will happen in your own life too because like everyone at some points, everyone needs to become converted at some point in their life to the gospel and like through the spirit.

**Shawn:** Love it, Megan. I'll echo it, guys. Just start reading the scriptures. Just start feasting. Dedicate time. Try it once in your life. If you don't like it, quit. But I promise you that if you will truly feast, like try it, man, your life will change cuz the will be so much more abundant in your life. You will feel a difference. You will be happy. You will feel light. You will—you will be closer to God.

**Megan:** Mhm.

**Shawn:** Okay. So, so he gets baptized.

**Megan:** Yeah.

**Shawn:** Amazing.

**Megan:** So cool. How grateful—how amazing is it that you got to be a part of that whole experience.

**Megan:** I know. And I—I—I would just sit there and I'm like, why does God trust me with this person? Like he is so good. And I'm just like here. Like it's just crazy to think like how many experiences there are on your mission where you're just like, wow. Like I'm not a perfect person, but God trusts me with this person who has had this cool experience that now I can say I've had this cool experience, right? Like it's just cool how much trust that God has in each one of us to help his children.

**Shawn:** Was it Elma that said like I'm so grateful to be made an instrument—instrument in God's hands. Like I was the instrument. He used me. He used you with Juan. It's so cool.

**The Story of Orasio**

**Shawn:** Okay. What about old man Orasio?

**Megan:** Orasio my king. He was so—he was so funny. He was the funniest guy ever. Yeah. We taught him for a while and his wife—

**Shawn:** But you started teaching his wife. Not him, even him.

**Megan:** We started teaching his wife.

**Shawn:** Okay. Tell—tell what—tell that story cuz I want to share one too.

**Megan:** Yeah, we started teaching his wife and it was just one of those things where we just kind of had to keep teaching the same things and we were like I think as a missionary sometimes you kind of hold on to hope on some people. You're like please—like—

**Shawn:** She wasn't progressing. She wasn't.

**Megan:** She wasn't progressing but her husband didn't really want to hear at the time but he would kind of listen and sometimes he would like pop in and you know ask a question.

**Shawn:** It's so funny when you say that like I can picture in my head—I've never been to Peru. I don't know. I don't know these people. But so many times in Ukraine, we'd be teaching a family and the wife or the husband would just be like, "I'm not interested." But they would just sit like within 10 ft and you could tell or you couldn't tell. I don't know. Could you tell? Could you tell he was listening?

**Megan:** You could tell.

**Shawn:** Okay. Yeah.

**Megan:** And they're just there listening. One family we had, the mom and the two daughters were so into it. And this guy was like, "Whatever. Do whatever you want. I'm not into it." And he would just sit there and watch TV. But every time we taught, he would be a little closer. A little closer. he'd be a little closer to us and every—every week we'd come and eventually he was kind of turned—like it was so funny cuz he was this—this smart—like scientist—communist—just had too much pride to be like oh I like this I want to be a part of this so he had to like subtly work his way over till eventually he's sitting at our table.

**Megan:** Yeah.

**Shawn:** Awesome. So he was doing this—

**Megan:** Yeah. So anyways then I actually think they separated—

**Shawn:** Oh—

**Megan:** And the wife the lady—just—there's lots of people on the mission that just want to be visited you know and so obviously we go there and like share a message with them, but we could tell she wasn't—she didn't want to progress.

**Shawn:** She's out—

**Megan:** Obviously. And so we were like, "Dang it." Like her husband, like he was asking tons of questions. He could have been cool to teach. And so we were kind of sad that we didn't get to teach him. And then one day we got this random call from this random number. And he was like, "Ermanas." And we were like, "Who is this?" Like hello. And he's like, "It's Orasio." And we were like, "What? How old was he?"

**Megan:** He was like 75 maybe. Anyways. And so he's like, "I need you guys to teach me." And we were like crazy. So we met him in the church. We started teaching him. He was progressing a lot. He came to church every single Sunday. Um and anytime we would teach him, he would just be like, "Oh, well, if it's a commandment of God, I—I should do it."

**Shawn:** And we're like, "Yeah, obvious. I—I mean, yeah."

**Megan:** But anyways, the coolest part of his story was um what was I sharing? The coolest part of his story, the sweat story.

**Shawn:** Yes. The sweat. So we had the—no, we had the lesson where we were going to put him on date.

**Shawn:** Oh. And we brought him to church and we knew we wanted to put him on date but we didn't really know how we were gonna do it.

**Megan:** Yeah. So, we were running from tons of lessons and we had this picture of Jesus with us cuz we were using it for this social media thing and so we ran into the church. We put that picture of Jesus just like down on the table.

**Shawn:** Hang on. So, yeah, 6'2 Megan is carrying around a framed picture of the savior around the streets of Peru.

**Megan:** Yeah.

**Shawn:** On a bike.

**Megan:** No, just walking. Just carrying around the picture.

**Shawn:** Yeah. We're like, "Oh, we can't—we have no time to drop it off in the apartment. We'll just have it. I think we had to take a picture with it for like social media and just like hold it up or something.

**Megan:** You didn't have time to look. We're just going to carry it.

**Shawn:** We're like, you know, we're just going to carry this thing in the—the church. It wasn't huge, but anyways. So, we brought it in. We just put it down on the table. Ordasio came in. He sat down. It was just kind of off to the side. And so, we started teaching him. We just were like asking him about like how he felt about things. And he was really progressing at that point. And so, we were kind of like introducing—like he knew about baptism, but we—we knew we kind of want to put him on the date. And so then we're like, just tell us how you feel about like that idea. Like, is that something that you would want to do? And he looks over at the picture and he's like, "Funny you guys brought that picture here because just the other day, like I was having a dream with that exact person." And it was Jesus, right? And he was like, he told me I needed to become a restored child of God. And we were like, and he's like in the dream. And he—and he was like, "I had no idea what that meant." And we were and—and he's like, "But now in this moment, I feel like this is something that I need to do." And we just sat there and we were like, "Oh my gosh." Like we did not plan this lesson, right? Like we—we could have planned all we wanted and what we wanted to teach, how we were going to invite him, exactly the things that we were going to say, but God really just like worked that miracle of that is exactly what he—he needed to see that picture of Jesus to connect those things.

**Shawn:** So first of all, yeah, I think there are a lot of people in a lot of cultures and a lot of countries maybe—it's the fact I don't know maybe it's like whatever lineage they are in as a—as—or their tribe of Israel. I don't know what it is but there are a lot of cultures Ukraine was one of them that people just had lots of dreams lots of angel visitations and to some of us it's like—well, that's weird.

**Megan:** Yeah.

**Shawn:** But I came to believe like no this is actually happening. Like this is just a way that God communicates. So what do you think? Do you believe it? Do you believe now Megan—Southern California 2026—mhm—you're going to sit in this chair. Record, publish, record. The words that you're about to say are, "Yeah, I met a guy named—"

**Megan:** Ourasio.

**Shawn:** Ourasio.

**Megan:** Mhm.

**Shawn:** And I believe that God sent him a vision, a dream.

**Megan:** Yeah.

**Shawn:** Where he told him, he showed him a picture that I randomly had so that he could feel—

**Megan:** Yeah.

**Shawn:** That he needs to be part of the restored gospel of Jesus Christ.

**Megan:** Yeah.

**Shawn:** You're going to claim that?

**Megan:** Yeah.

**Shawn:** Are you sure?

**Megan:** It's crazy to say in this day, but—yeah.

**Shawn:** How incredible. I mean, that's—so, he had—God sent him a vision. He says, "I felt in that vision." And as soon as he sees the picture, it was like, "Yeah, that's the picture I saw."

**Megan:** Like, "That's the exact person I saw."

**Shawn:** And the words were that the Lord communicated to him through the vision where I need to be a part of the restor—

**Megan:** Like, you're going to become like a restored child of God. And he didn't know that. He didn't really know exactly what that meant. And then once he saw that picture, he was like, "Oh my gosh."

**Shawn:** So, we were teaching in Nepka. There's these two women so smart, these communist-like professors.

**Megan:** Yeah.

**Shawn:** They weren't married and they were just these very intelligent and they would meet with us and just they cognitively intellectually were coming at this and we would meet with them and meet with they had the greatest questions but we were like ah they're reading they're praying they're keeping their commitments but they weren't progressing because it was so cognitive to them—and then one day she showed up because we'd been asking her to pray just pray ask God about these things the restoration mostly—she comes one day and she goes elders sit down and shut up and listen to my story and she told us how she had this vision and she said the whole time she was feeling the holy post in this vision.

**Megan:** Yeah.

**Shawn:** And she said, "We were—uh—me and my community were on this side of a river and then there's the river that came in between." And we were all anxiously busily working towards something. And she's like, "I was a part of it. We were working and we were united. We were just doing this thing." And I—she's like, "But I didn't know what we were working and building." And she said, "And the dream progressed to the point where I realized what we were doing was there was this bridge and the bridge was all broken down and falling apart. And we were restoring this bridge.

**Megan:** Yeah.

**Shawn:** We were building it together and we were restoring this bridge. And she says, "Once I realized what a restoration was needed for, the spirit was teaching me." She said, "I know you've just given me this message of a restored gospel as opposed to what I believe in, which is a Russian Orthodox truth."

**Megan:** Yeah.

**Shawn:** So, same kind of messaging.

**Megan:** Yeah.

**Shawn:** He received this I need to be a restored son of God. What?

**Megan:** Yeah. Child of God.

**Shawn:** That's incredible.

**Megan:** Crazy.

**Shawn:** I love it.

**Megan:** It was crazy. So, we just sat there—like what?

**Shawn:** So—so you got to be a part of this miracle. Tell—tell us about sweaty bike rider though.

**Megan:** Oh yeah. So I think it was—I think it was the Sunday after he got baptized. So he needed to be there.

**Shawn:** Yeah. Yeah.

**Megan:** Um and so we were just sitting there like, "Oh my gosh, he probably left." Like he probably got baptized. No, he wasn't there on time. I mean coming to church. Peruvians are known to be late. They're late to everything. But so when you—you tell them a time, you know it's going to be an hour later. So it was really hard getting people on to church on—so anyways, but before that he's been great. Like he was always on time. And so we're like, "Oh my gosh, just the Sunday after he got baptized, like he's not coming to church. Like what happened?"

**Shawn:** You're all scared.

**Megan:** And we're like, "Oh my gosh, he needs to be there." Like the bishop was looking at us. He's like, "He needs to be here. Where is he?" Like his confirmation. Anyways, so we go out and we're trying to call him, call him. Nothing. Nothing. We go out. We look down the road. There he is just like biking down on this little metal bike sweating. And he just comes up to us. He's like, "I'm here, sister. He's like, "I'm so sorry I'm late." And we're like, "Oh my gosh." Like, "Let's get inside." But like it was just like in that moment I was like, "This is just like a humble dude just making his way to church, you know, 75 on a bike, riding his bike, sweating like crazy and trying to get to church as fast as he can."

**Megan:** I know.

**Shawn:** Crazy. The humility that this—that I mean, you do believe when God says in DNC 4 that the field is white.

**Megan:** Yeah.

**Shawn:** Ready to harvest. I think literally what he's saying is there are so many of God—of our—my children who are literally humble enough and ready and if you'll go out Megan—if you Sean—if you'll go out and be an instrument in my hands I'm going to help you find them. He was—I mean you—these two stories—these are elect people.

**Megan:** I know. And the miracles—like—like this humble humble beautiful soul.

**Shawn:** Yeah.

**Megan:** Who waited his whole life for you.

**Shawn:** Yeah.

**Megan:** You got to be a part of that man.

**Megan:** I know. I know. I'm like—

**Shawn:** How does it make you feel?

**Megan:** It's crazy that God would trust me with these people that are so just humble. And I don't know, they just—they really were just needed that in that moment in their life. And being a part of it was so cool to just see the hand of God.

**Shawn:** What a blessing to be a part of that, to witness that, to be a part of him. And you know in the scripture that says, "Look, if you labor all your days, your whole life and bring it maybe just one soul. How great will be your joy with that person?"

**Megan:** Yeah.

**Shawn:** I can't wait, dude, when you introduce me to Orasio 150 years from now.

**Megan:** I know.

**Shawn:** And there—there will be—there will be rejoicing like he will know you and love you so much.

**Megan:** I always think about those moments cuz I'm like I'm probably never going to see these people again until you know—that time. So, and how great will be your joy?

**Megan:** Yeah, it's—it is good. It's so—what's what a blessing. Listeners, go—go—go on your mission. Serve with all your heart, my mind, mind, and strength. Feast upon the words of Christ.

**The Basketball Ghost Story**

**Shawn:** Okay. Give us the story of the—I'm gonna call it—I'm gonna call it the ghost, the Peruvian ghost of basketball player.

**Megan:** It was so weird. Me and my companion, we would walk down the street and we'd always see these guys playing and for some reason—

**Shawn:** Well, what do—what do you know about basketball, Megan? Come on.

**Megan:** Nothing, you know. Never.

**Shawn:** Whatever, dude. You were like the star of Southern California.

**Megan:** No. So, this guy, he'd be playing basketball alone. So, sometimes we would—I think we went up to him maybe once, but it was always off when we had a lesson. We couldn't really stop. So, anyways, we would see him playing and then there was one time when we were like, "Oh, that's that same dude we saw the other day." But then he ran off to his house and he went in the door and we were like, "No. voted. That's the door. We will knock on that after our lesson." Love it.

**Shawn:** So then we went to our lesson and then we're like, "Oh, let's go contact that guy."

**Shawn:** What was your interest in him? Just because you have a basketball pass and you're like, "This guy's a basketball."

**Megan:** Both of us just looked at him. We're like, "Oh, we should teach that guy." Like we both just kind of looked at each other and we're like, "Oh, why him?"

**Shawn:** And we were like, "I don't know why him, but like—"

**Megan:** Him. Yeah. Anyways, so we saw which door we went in, like as we thought. But anyways, after our lesson, we went and knocked on the door that we thought it was. It wasn't him. And it was this family and she had been having a super hard week. And so we just were like, "We're the missionaries. Like we're spreading this message of joy, like teaching about Jesus Christ. We'd love to teach you. Can we come in and teach you?" Um, and she just looks at us and she's like, "This—I've been praying for this. Like I've had the hardest week. I was literally just praying for a message of something or a signal from God to like show me which direction I need to take in my life." And that's when we knocked on the door. And we just like looked at each other. We're like, "This is not the guy. But we just found this amazing lady who then her four kids. She was like, "Okay, all of you come sit around." We made like a little circle. She had all of her four kids come sit and we just taught that whole family. The husband didn't want to be a part of anything. He was kind of stubborn, but he still talked to us. And was a little bit receptive, but crazy, dude.

**Shawn:** And we never found that guy.

**Shawn:** Okay. I have so many—I have so many questions. What happened with the family? You taught them.

**Megan:** So we taught them. All of the kids were super—super interested. They were like 14 and up. I think they range from—

**Shawn:** Like 14, 16, 18.

**Megan:** And they all had super good questions. And the mom loved it. She's like, "Oh my gosh, this thing, this gospel, whatever this feeling is, is bringing my family together." And she's like, "You guys were literally sent from God to like teach us in this moment. This is exactly what my family needed." And she's like, "I hope my husband will. And I know he will one day. Like, I know God will."

**Shawn:** Did they eventually get baptized or is they still—

**Megan:** All of them. So, all of the kids did. She hasn't yet, but she has a calling in the church. She took her kids to the temple. They did baptisms with the ward. Like they're like the strongest family ever and she is just—

**Shawn:** Yeah. Amazing. Amazing.

**Shawn:** Okay. So, okay. So, questions. So, you just had this feeling the two of you that this dude playing basketball is who we're supposed to talk to.

**Megan:** Yeah. We don't know why. It was just like a random contact.

**Shawn:** Then you stalked him, tracked him, found the home he went into. He went into it. Later, you come and knock on the door. There's no dude playing basketball.

**Megan:** Never found him.

**Shawn:** Megan. No, Megan.

**Megan:** Yeah, that dude was a ghost.

**Shawn:** Probably.

**Megan:** That dude was one of the three name fights.

**Shawn:** Probably—

**Megan:** And disappeared out of thin air.

**Shawn:** I know—a joke. But it's totally a joke, of course. But you—you—you saved this one for last cuz you were just like, I think I got another story. It's just a simple one. But I'm like, dude, no. This is like such a powerful story. Seriously, like what—what was it like—so many times on a mission when you're as you did working with all your heart, mind, mind, and strength. The Lord just guides it. He gives us these—what we consider miracles. I mean, that is a miracle. It is—that you guys had this interest in this basketball player who led you into a house that wasn't his somehow.

**Megan:** Yeah.

**Shawn:** But to this woman who was praying for you, that is an absolute revelatory prophetic. You're a prophet.

**Megan:** No. No. No. No. Like, we could have stopped there. We could have been like, "Oh, he's in his house. Like, we don't need to go contact him." Or we could have forgot about it.

**Shawn:** Yeah.

**Megan:** But we just did it right after our lesson. We're like, we are following up with that feeling that we had to go teach that guy, but it led us to something else. And I think that's a lot of the times how God works.

**Shawn:** Incredible.

**Megan:** Not in the ways that we think he wants us to, you know.

**Shawn:** Yeah.

**Megan:** Yeah.

**Shawn:** I love it. I mean, I don't know what principle—like again so many principles cover that story. The—the go—the principle five or six that says no five that that um angels and miracles are your right as a missionary. It that idea revolves around the idea that God says, "This is my work and my glory to bring to pass the immortality, eternal life of man." And we teach a lot that listeners listen to this. This is a good, this is good, sweet doctrine. The reason the Savior says, "My work, my glory is to bring to pass the immortality and eternal life of man." Is because he's pointing out that we need salvation from two things. We need it from physical death, which is a separation of our souls, our bodies from our spirits. Mortality, we are mortal. So he says, "My—my work, my glory is to bring to pass the immortality." So he's talking about my job is to overcome mortality or physical death so that you're brought together again through the resurrection becoming more like a father—

**Shawn:** And eternal life—

**Shawn:** Which is a reference to overcoming the second obstacle that stands in our way which is this spiritual death—this spiritual separation from our father—Jesus has come to overcome these things so that we can return to our father in heaven through him—and he loves Juan—he loves the basketball playing ghost. He loves this family and her daughters.

**Megan:** Yeah.

**Shawn:** So much.

**Megan:** Yeah.

**Shawn:** That if you just believe in that and go out and serve and work, he—he works miracles and puts you in these amazing situ—situations.

**Megan:** It's crazy to think like how much he loves the one. Like he'll go through all of those measures just so that family could have been taught in that exact moment. Like it's crazy. And you really just have to have that mindset of every person that I am coming across or teaching or walking by is a child of God. Like you really just have to see them through those goggles and those lenss because God loves every single one of them and will do anything for—for them to receive happiness.

**Shawn:** Point out the steps that all of those crazy things—the random things that had to happen in order for that one to be found. Like you had to choose to go on a mission. You had to be born into an LDS family. You had to—

**Shawn:** Be with that companion at that time. You had to see the ghost of basketball player. You had to make—like all these things. had to line up. Like what if you would have been with a different companion? What if you would have been like, "Hey, there's something about—" and the companion's like, "I don't know."

**Megan:** Exactly. I know. And I think a lot of the times on your mission, you're around certain I'—I've noticed that the people that you then go maybe a next transfer, you're teaching completely different people. So the people that you are with in that time specifically are meant—like for you to teach. Like God really just places them there for you—

**Shawn:** If you believe it.

**Megan:** If you believe it and if you act on it.

**Shawn:** And that again, guys, is the principles. That's how you come to Christ. Nice. It starts with faith. And Megan, I'm so happy to see the faith that you have. Like six years ago, you're just—you're just a punk basketball player. That's all you were.

**Megan:** I didn't even want to go on a mission.

**Shawn:** You didn't even want to go. And then to see you sitting here with so much faith, having been an instrument in God's hands to bring these precious souls to Jesus Christ.

**Megan:** Yeah.

**Shawn:** So happy.

**Megan:** So cool.

**Shawn:** So cool.

**Closing**

**Shawn:** What a gift. Okay. So, what is your message to kids listening who either need a little motivation or a little excitement. They need to—they want to go, but they're not like just dying to go and they're not doing the things that'll get them ready or maybe their kids just on the fence. They don't want to go. Maybe—maybe they want to. What would you say?

**Megan:** I—yeah, I mean, I was kind of in that experience in my life where I was like, I don't need to go. Like, why would I go? But just try and become converted yourself to the gospel and figure out about why, you know, why are you a part of it? Like why have you felt the spirit in your life? Try to recognize the hand of God in your life because it really is there. But it's harder to recognize when you aren't trying to. And if you keep this mindset of, you know, if I have this faith, if I do this, God will provide in any aspect of your life. Just having that mindset really has so much power. And I think we don't realize that. So just do it. Like a start like Jesus, he was the greatest leader but also the great—like the most righteous follower. And so like just follow—like follow the gospel, try to become a disciple of Christ, try to do as he would and like all of the blessings will just fall. And to add on that, there is a reason why the prophets have repeated over and over again the simple things like go take the sacrament, like go to church, read the scriptures, yeah, say your prayers because that journey that you just described, those teeny little things start adding up and line upon line, precept upon precept. It's like Alman 32 says, it's like a little seed like you listening right now. If there's just a teeny little desire in you,

**Megan:** Yeah,

**Shawn:** To take Megan's advice, which is to yourself come and be converted into Jesus Christ, plant that little seed in there, but you have to water it. You have to feed it. And the things the ways to do that are the ways that Juan and Orasio—

**Megan:** Orasio and all these people came. They—they—they planted and then they watered it with the scriptures and then they pray—

**Shawn:** Shade and that was like giving it sunlight and little by little it grows and sprouts and grows and sprouts until one day you go—oh I feel this—

**Megan:** Yeah.

**Shawn:** I feel God's presence I feel like he knows me—

**Shawn:** And you yourself now your faith is sufficient and then it goes to this key principle of now I want to start repenting I start understanding the atonement I feel bad that I added to the pain of the savior I want to repent—

**Shawn:** And when you repent you are on the path of conversion in Jesus Christ—

**Shawn:** And then your covenants actually matter—

**Megan:** Yeah. That's—it's—yeah—my favorite talk is I think it's Becky Craraven—careful versus casual. So just live a careful life. Like don't do things casually like reading your scriptures. You can do all of those things and but if you don't have the mindset of like these things can change me it won't. So like do them carefully and try to keep that mindset is one of the things that I—like I just love that talk cuz I think—

**Shawn:** I've never read it. I'm going to read it.

**Megan:** Oh it's so good—

**Shawn:** When she said careful. I understand. casual. But what does he mean by careful? Like—

**Megan:** Doing things with intention like rather than being casual about it.

**Shawn:** So that's principle one that we teach. That's principle one. Lukewarm. He says God says I do—I—I know your works. They're not hot. They're not cold. But you're lukewarm. I don't want you to be casual. I don't want you to be passive. I don't want you to be lukewarm. I want you to be what's the word?

**Megan:** Careful.

**Shawn:** Careful. Deliberate. What' you say is the word?

**Megan:** I don't remember. But just like you don't have to be perfect. Intentional. Intentional.

**Shawn:** Intentional is hot or cold. Intentional is the opposite of lukewarm.

**Megan:** Yeah.

**Shawn:** And that does make all the difference. Okay. That is great parting words. Listeners, turn to Christ by intentionally not—oh, what was it? Passover. No.

**Megan:** Careful. Being careful. This is casual.

**Shawn:** Casual. Yeah. Not casually turning to Christ and reading your scriptures. Not casually saying your prayers, but start intentionally doing it.

**Megan:** Yeah.

**Shawn:** And you will be on this path that comes to Christ. And then you will have the meaning and purpose to serve a mission. And you will have these experiences like I had and like Megan had. Megan, thank you for sharing.

**Megan:** Yes,

**Shawn:** You're amazing.

**Megan:** It's been great. Thanks for having me.

**Shawn:** Okay, listeners, join us next week. We'll have more stories.

**Megan:** Bye.