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Robots for Good: A Conversation with Tatum Robotics

• Dwight & Company • Season 2 • Episode 11

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Imagine needing another person’s hand just to check the weather, news, or even to listen to a podcast. That’s the everyday reality for many DeafBlind people and the starting point for Samantha Johnson’s bold solution: a soft robotic hand that fingerspells tactile sign language and turns digital text into language you can feel.

We sit down with Samantha to trace the journey from a Northeastern University ASL course to founding Tatum Robotics, a social impact startup bringing assistive devices into real homes. She explains how her team engineered an 18-DOF hand that is both precise and gentle, and why co-designing with DeafBlind users consistently beats feature creep. We are also joined by Jaimi Lard of Tatum Q&A for a live demo of the device and firsthand user feedback.

If you care about accessibility, human-centered design, and robotics for good, this conversation will recalibrate what meaningful inclusion looks like. 

Mandy Dwight:

Hi everyone, I'm Mandy Dwight, founder and CEO of Dwight & Company, also the host of ROS Goss. You know, as you know, at Dwight & Company, we're really passionate about robotics, automation that you know change people's lives. So we're over at the Perkins School for the Blind in the office of Tatum Robotics today with the founder and CEO, Samantha Johnson. So thank you so much for joining us today, Samantha.

Samantha Johnson:

Of course. Thanks for coming all the way over.

Mandy Dwight:

Yeah, no, well, it was an easy drive for us, which was really cool. I know there's a lot of parking here. It makes it easy. Yes, I was excited to see that. I don't know how much you know about my career, but you know, I've been in robotics for a while. And the reason I got into robotics is, you know, I think there's a lot of good that can happen with robotics. And I think that robotics are really going to change people's lives for the better. And I'm really excited to be talking to you today because when I think about that mission that kind of kicked off my career, your company, you know, comes to mind, first of all.

Samantha Johnson:

She thought that's so sweet. And I think it's really interesting because I didn't get into robotics in a similar way because I was particularly passionate about robotics. I saw this problem and became really passionate about solving that problem. And it ended up that robotics was the solution and ended up finding my passion for robotics through that. So it's a really interesting kind of synergy with how you got into robotics and what we do here too.

Mandy Dwight:

Tatum Robotics, you know, I want to introduce you to them completely because you should be absolutely watching them for the accessibility uh solution that they're providing. Um, so Sam, in your words, who is Tatum Robotics?

Samantha Johnson:

Yeah, Tatum Robotics has meant so many things over the years, but right now what we're developing is a connection point to the world for the DeafBlind community. And at Tatum Robotics, we're developing an accessibility solution that you can think of like a computer for the DeafBlind community. So DeafBlind people communicate through tactile signing, and you'll get to see Jaimi communicate through tactile sign later. But she holds onto my hand while I sign with her. And that connection point with the person sitting next to her is her only way to communicate with a friend or to check the weather. And so what we wanted to do was just give them a way to access information independently. So we've built this beautiful team of deaf-blind folks hearing people who are really passionate about advancing accessibility and have now made it to this point that our technology is out in the world and we can actually, you know, see the smiles it's bringing, see the tears from some deaf-blind people. And it's been such a rewarding experience to be able to, you know, captain this ship and see where we've gone. Oh, that's fantastic. Yeah. And and so when did the company, when did you found the company? So the company was officially founded, I guess, probably at the end of 2021, legally. Yes. With the one time. Yeah. Um, but I actually started the idea in during my undergrad at Northeastern. Oh, fantastic. So I had taken an American Sign Language class, and despite being an engineering student, I was passionate about accessibility through my time in high school and some of the experiences I had I had. So I thought we'll give it a try. And as part of that experience, I went out into the deaf community and met Deafline people. And I met one Deafline person named Elaine Ducharme. And I was chatting with her through Tactile Sign. And when we were leaving, I asked, I was like, Well, how can we stay in touch? She goes, Well, you have to catch me next time you see me because we can't communicate if we're not like this together. And then shortly after COVID happened, and I was reading articles about the Deafline experience, and Deafline people were crawling through buildings trying to get access to information. They had no idea what was going on. And so I reached out to Boston's Deafline Contact Center that Jaimi's a part of, and Elaine and said, What if we built something together? And so my for my master's thesis, I started developing early prototypes. And when I was about to graduate, Elaine and Jaimi and a number of Deafline people are like, You have to keep going. You haven't helped us yet. Like you Oh wow. You know, if you just if you quit right now, we we weren't gonna get this technology. We need it. So I decided to spin out the company. And that's when we landed at Mass Robotics. Actually, we were at Mass Robotics for a number of years as we got started. And now we're here at the Perkins School as we kind of get into that next stage of really launching the product.

Mandy Dwight:

Oh, that's so fantastic. I, you know, I love that, you know, so you were an American Sign Language, like what was your your um study in Northeastern? I was studying bioengineering.

Samantha Johnson:

Oh, which actually isn't really connected to robotics or sign language. But I we always we make the joke here that we don't do it because it's easy. We do it because we thought it might be easy. Yeah. That's the robotics mantra. Yes, 100%. And when I started this as my thesis, I honestly sort of assumed I could use off-the-shelf hardware. That was my assumption. Yeah. That I wouldn't have to build an entire robotic hand because there is so many already out there. But it turns out that the robotic hand that we develop, it has 18 degrees of freedom in order to accomplish the hand shapes needed. And it's made of all TPU or rubber material. So it's really safe for deaf mind people to use. You can't use linkages or metal appendages anyway. So it ended up having to be this process of learning robotics, learning sign. And I I feel like I've, if you told me, you know, five years ago that I'd be doing this now, I'd be like, I would not be qualified for that. But it's been such a great experience coming to the confidence in myself and learning so much and building the team to help us get to where we are today.

Mandy Dwight:

Oh, that's so fantastic. And, you know, so you talked about mass robotics and you were over there, you're part of the accelerator program, you know. So what what did that do for you to kind of help you guys get get going? Oh, it did everything for us.

Samantha Johnson:

So I went to do mass robotics directly after my time at Northeastern. That's cool. And at the time, as I mentioned, I I didn't really view it yet as like a company. Yeah. It was like a project. But being around Joyce and Colleen and total classic people just so they inspired me to make it bigger. And they saw in me maybe what I didn't at the time. And Joyce was like, You got to get your logo going. And I was like, A logo for my project? She's like, for your product. You know, so funny. And it was really, it transitioned us from this product, from this class project to a product and to a company, and helped us be have the resources to build our early prototypes. We brought so many DeafBlind people to their space to try it out. And honestly, we were so lucky to be part of the accelerator. And truly, right after that accelerator, we launched our product. So it's been an exciting year.

Mandy Dwight:

Yeah. So you were talking earlier that there's a lot of your products out there right now. And that's a lot of growth from when you, you know, incorporated the company in 2021.

Samantha Johnson:

Yeah, it was, it probably doesn't feel as quick being in the day to day. But looking back, and that's something we really try to do as a team quite a bit, is because, you know, being in the weeds of day to be a really small team. We're all wearing a lot of hats. We all see all the fires, but to really see how far we've come. And yeah, so there are actually a number of deaf mind people in Massachusetts and New York who have our product and are using it at their homes for things that they would use to access the computer. And it's been a process of, you know, we're a social impact organization. So the government shutdown has been hugely impactful. But now that we're past that, it's really exciting to see, you know, even by the end of the year, we'll get another four robots out and really start strong in 2026 to really even spread further across the country. We just got an order from Oklahoma from a Deafline person in Oklahoma. So I'll I'll finally touch Oklahoma. And it's gonna be really exciting as Deafline people can now communicate with each other too. It's great that Deafline people can, you know, talk to me or order a pizza, but now their their own community can grow so much as well.

Mandy Dwight:

That's so fantastic.

Samantha Johnson:

Yeah, I love that this accidentally found you. I think the same thing. I I think all the time what all the things had to go right for me to be in this space, but it's been so wonderful. I've met so many great people and have learned a lot of skills along the way too. Yeah, and it's hard. It's hard. We were joking about it, but it's like really hard every day. It is really hard. And I think that I feel very lucky because we are so social impact oriented that, you know, Jaimi comes in a couple days a week and you're just so energized. Yeah, you know, she makes a call and she's bubbling in her seat, so excited, and you can really see that the days are hard, but the impact you want to accomplish is really happening, and you can see how if more hard work will just make that so much better.

Mandy Dwight:

Yeah. And and, you know, it takes a pretty strong backbone to be a founder of a company. Um, what advice would you give to founders?

Samantha Johnson:

Yeah, I think becoming a founder in this landscape that was so new to me, you know, was really difficult in terms of building that confidence. But I think what I learned really is anyone can be a founder if you're passionate about what you're working on. And what I would say is, you know, listen to people. What do people complain about? What are people really excited about to make sure that people are passionate about it as well? But I think, and especially, you know, being a young woman in the space, a lot of people are going to come in and try to give you advice. Or at the early stage, actually, I think every single person who gave me advice was telling me to stop doing what I'm doing. No. They're like, this is not, you can't have a company helping the DeafBlind. That you can't do that. And I was like, posh posh.

Mandy Dwight:

We can try. Do you do you send them an email? Do you have them on the newsletter every I would have just a newsletter for those people?

Samantha Johnson:

Yeah, it was honestly quite astounding. I would say probably the first, you know, we're talking to investors, talking to people in the robotics landscape, they're like, just forget the DeafBlind thing and make an anthemorphic robotic hand and you can find applications for that. I'm like, the deaf blind. So a saturated space, you're telling me that's great. But that was but that's what I'm passionate about specifically. And I think because I knew, and I knew so many deaf blind people too that cared so much that I didn't, you know, you could keep that backbone and stay strong and really push forward with your vision. And I think that's been so helpful that, and I'm so glad we didn't change course because imagine if we didn't build the hand specifically for this DeafBlind application, it's not gonna work for that. No, you know, we've tested with hundreds of DeafBlind people to make sure that this is the product that they want. We're not just making a fancy robot hand. It's really, it's a practical piece of technology that's gonna help them in their day-to-day.

Mandy Dwight:

I do find that really valuable, the fact that you really have people on the team who are DeafBlind. So you can have that. You know, a lot of founders build this thing and say, oh, everyone's gonna love it. Wait, wait to see. And you actually have people here in the building that are giving you real-time feedback.

Samantha Johnson:

Yeah. And it's actually funny, Elaine, who was that first DeafBlind woman who I met, she's on our team too. So it's a fun full circle woman. A lot of people that were on in the early days, but we also make sure to get a lot of new perspectives too. People that are older, people that are younger, people who became deaf blind later in life, people who are born deaf blind. Because you know, if you just tested with one person, their perspective's gonna be their own perspective, not really wide range.

Mandy Dwight:

Later on in the podcast, we'll hear from Jaimi Lard, who is actually a part-time employee here at um Tatum Robotics. Um, you know, when she talks, because I've met her before, she's very passionate about the product and how it's really, you know, changed her life for the better, you know, as is most of the people that are using your product. So what stories stick with you?

Samantha Johnson:

Oh, there's so many. I know, I figured out one that I always always comes top to mind is we were working with this stuff blind woman and she was young, maybe like 40, late 30s, 40s, and she was born hearing-sighted and then had lost her vision and her hearing. And I don't know why. We were just like doing funny phrases, and I just did smelly cat, and she just lit up and she goes, Oh my gosh, I it reminds me of friends. Oh yeah. She knew exactly what the reference was. She goes, This is the first time I feel like I'm included in entertainment in the world since I lost my hearing and vision. And it was just this one little phrase. Yeah. And it just kind of showed me that you know, we can develop all of these feature sets. And I think it really does help us kind of avoid feature creep in a way because we're like, get something out. Yeah. Even something so small can have this impact, and you can always add in features going forward. And just the other day, we actually went to meet with this deafline man in Connecticut. He's from France. So he instead of using tactile American Sign Language, he uses the French version. American Sign Language is only in America. There's 300 sign languages. And the only person he can communicate with is his wife in like the whole world in America. The only person he can be his wife. And so we put some French letters on the robot, and we were just thinking, can he start this bigger guy, very stoic, you know? He wasn't smiling. His eyes just immediately widened. He just started to cry. He sat there and was crying. And he was, he's like, show me more, more, more, more. He was just so excited. And it's when we were all crying, of course, because you know, but it just it was so exciting to see that just immediately using the robot, like there was no training process within two minutes. He could see how this could potentially benefit him and see how his world could open up as a result.

Mandy Dwight:

Yeah, you know, that that's so that was another reason why I really wanted to talk to you today, is like for awareness. Yeah. Because, you know, we were talking, you know, Catie and Forest are over here too. We we were talking about, you know, when was the first time that we met a DeafBlind person or heard about this? And I I think it's just not something that people realize. 100%.

Samantha Johnson:

And I think it's people are always shocked when I tell them there's two million DeafBlind people just here in the US because they're just so isolated. You know, you're not going to see a DeafBlind person at the grocery store with you. And right now, if you don't sign, you really can't interact with them in an effective, meaningful way directly. And so a lot of what we do is that awareness and why we we go to schools and we talk to students so that they think about DeafBlind people. And I love to chat with budding engineering engineer students about the possibility of accessibility so they think about these things when they're designing products. What small additions can you make to make this more accessible for a group with a disability? And it's fun that everybody here on our team signs, and that's something that we try to make a really accessible space here for, you know, the DeafBlind people on our team, but also people who are visiting as well.

Mandy Dwight:

Yeah. And that's where that passion comes in that you were talking about earlier. It's like, it's all about that.

Samantha Johnson:

And it's it's so much, I mean, for me, when I first started the company, I wasn't a skilled signer. So I did have to rely on interpreters. And the trust that I was able to gain from the deafline folks we work with when I was able to communicate for myself was just out of this world to be able to know that I care so much about this, that I've learned the language. And I can now directly communicate with these people. I can understand, you know, the nuances of what they're using, the specific word choice that you can't always access through an interpreter. So it's been really, I think, a great benefit to the company, but also to me as the founder and you know, pushing features forward to know really where the community stands and what they're passionate about. The robot will now tell me what the day weather is gonna look like.

Mandy Dwight:

That's fantastic.

Samantha Johnson:

If I continue forward, robot spelling T O D A Ynding, you just click enter. So it's now finger spelling start.

Mandy Dwight:

Thirty seven. Yeah, thirty-seven I can do without any weather, and we're gonna go.

Samantha Johnson:

So the weather, I feel very included here with the weather because I can't hear people talking about what the temperature is gonna be. I can't hear that. So for deaf blind, we're able to use this to learn what the weather is. It's really helpful for me to feel really included and feel really on par, very fair with other people, with hearing people.

Mandy Dwight:

What other types of information do you get from the Tatum device?

Samantha Johnson:

Yeah, there's a bunch of different apps. There is messaging. We can text back and forth for communication. And very excitingly, there's calling. Wow. I can make contact with my mom, for example. I I called my mom research. She was shocked. It was amazing to talk with her, and I could like call with her daughter directly to have direct communication access. It was so wonderful for me. And it's just like having an interpreter to help me communicate. I use the robot, and that has been just the most wonderful technology. I love it so much, and that's why I want just more and more people to be included and more communication access for specifically calling. And there's other things, um, like sometimes I want to know about what's happening in the world. So it has news, it has political news or breaking news, and you can pick which other types of news you want, and it will tell you all about it, what's going on in the world, and that has been really great for me as well.

Mandy Dwight:

That's fantastic. And I know that you're part of the team here, Jaimi, um, at Tatum Robotics. Um, when did you first meet Sam?

Samantha Johnson:

I remember a long, long time ago, the first time I I'm a member of the Deaf Blind Contact Center here in Boston. I'm a Deaf Blind, it's a Deaf Blind community group, and we have monthly events. And the DBCC, they sent me some information about an event, and I wanted to join in. And it was meeting this new robot, and I wanted to know what was up with that. This was back, I don't know, maybe 2020 time frame, right around COVID. And this robot was very, very, very new. And so maybe a little awkward too. But I wanted to help. As soon as I as soon as I met the robot, I knew that I could help make it better, and it's only gotten better and better. And now it's wonderful. It's we have such a great team here working together to improve the robot for the DeafBlind, for deaf blind communication.

Mandy Dwight:

That's fantastic. And you know what what is the most important thing that you would want somebody to know about accessibility for the DeafBlind community?

Samantha Johnson:

That is a very good question. And what's most important for me is deafline people, some deafline people can use different access for technology. So, for example, some people can see sign language, but deaf blind people can't see. So, what do we do? We need to be included. And so we need to have technology like this. And we need to keep building on technology, things like an arm to build on this, so that deafline people can make calls the same as you can call your family. So we can call the doctor's office, you know, have access to legal services, banks, all of these things are so important to be able to have an access. And it's been so wonderful to use these services calling, using interpreting, to be included in the robot. It has been, I'm very passionate about. This and I expect it's only going to grow and grow because it is really so important for DeafBlind communication. You know, hearing people maybe use a phone in deaf blind, we don't have that right now. So we're we tend to be stuck.

Mandy Dwight:

And that's why I'm so passionate about using this robot and being on this team because the robot is really such a wonderful technology for that. And, you know, I imagine that you're here to kind of shape the roadmap of where this product goes. So, what is your advice to Sam and the Tatum team about what types of features you'd love to add to this?

Samantha Johnson:

Communication and discussion about all different types of DeafBlind across the world, really. It's so important. And Tatum has done such a good job of meeting so many different DeafBlind people and understanding what their preferences would be for the robot because everybody has different preferences. And so it's important that we prioritize that.

Mandy Dwight:

Oh, that's fantastic. Well, Jaimi, thank you so much for being here today. So, um, everyone, um, you know, this is Jaimi Lard who's joined us. Uh, and I'm talking to the wrong camera, which sometimes I do that. Um, so Jaimi Lard is here at the Perkins School for the Blind working on the Tatum team. Um, the Tatum Robotics, uh, their office is actually here at the school, which is so fantastic for their mission. So thank you, Jaimi, for for being here with us today and talking about your use of the robot.

Samantha Johnson:

It has been wonderful. Thank you so much.

Mandy Dwight:

We talked about how hard it is to you know build a product, deploy a product, make sure it's not the Faberger egg in the lab, make sure it goes. But you're also a woman founder. It's kind of, I mean, it's it's a minority group.

Samantha Johnson:

It is. Yeah, it's when I was at Mass Robotics very early on at Mass Robotics, this was probably I don't know, 2022, early 2022. They used to have these like female lunches, these women lunches. And it was just me, Joyce Colleen, and the the uh admin person.

Mandy Dwight:

But that's fun. I love those people, but yes, but it would be fun to have more people at the table.

Samantha Johnson:

Right, but it was so wonderful being there for many years. By the time we ended up moving out of Mass Robotics, the table was full. They had to stop having the lunches because there was no room at the table. And so it was it's exciting to see more women come into the space in whatever capacity, engineering, marketing, or you know, founders themselves. And I think as a female founder, as a young female founder, founder, when I started the company, I was 22 years old. And I think it really you have to really be confident in yourself and not let people get you down. I remember going to a networking event and somebody, I was there chatting with somebody and he asked if my dad was coming to the event. Oh I said, um, what?

Mandy Dwight:

You know, like these this small Did you say, is your dad coming to the event?

Samantha Johnson:

That's exactly what I said. I said, Are we bringing our fathers? But you know, people, they just they don't always assume that you're in the room for the right reason. Yeah. And I think you have to make sure that you know that you there is a reason you're in that room. And I'm now a mentor to specifically women who are looking to start companies or students, and because I think a lot of it is you need to have that confidence because it's going to be hard for a myriad of reasons. But one of them is because maybe people aren't going to look at you the way they look at somebody who is a male founder or, you know, who's been in the space for a long time. So it's been a really good experience. And I love that I can now walk into a room and feel confident going to that room and also hopefully be as supportive to maybe people who don't feel so confident in the room that we can always be a familiar face.

Mandy Dwight:

Yeah. I mean, one of the things I was gonna ask you is what advice would you give to a female founder that's getting started? Would would it be be confident or what else?

Samantha Johnson:

Yeah, I mean, obviously that's easier said than done. I know, I know. But I think something that was really critical for me to have learned is, you know, if you're doing something new, novel, nobody's the expert. No. And I think for me, when I was starting this, I was like, oh, somebody else probably would do it better. You know, maybe if this person who was a founder, maybe they could do a better job. But who is gonna learn sign language, understand the deafline community, know about robotics, and have a path like if you're doing something new, there isn't somebody better than you to do it.

Mandy Dwight:

Yeah.

Samantha Johnson:

So I think that was a really good piece for me to realize that, you know what, yeah, I can do this and I'm gonna do just as good a job. I could even be potentially do better. And there's not like a missing piece that I don't have. You know, you can learn anything along the way. And this might be silly, but I learned always wear a fun shoe because then it's really easy to talk to other women in the room. Yeah, because they'll always come and compliment your shoes. Oh, that's fantastic. Because I think especially when you first start, finding another woman in the room is a really easy way to kind of enter the room and feel safe in that space.

Mandy Dwight:

That's a good piece of advice. And we're, you know, the Dwight Co-team, we're we're going to a networking event next week in Atlanta. So that's a a good um good rule of thumb.

Samantha Johnson:

Yeah, I don't have my usual, I usually have these orange heels. And it works. Actually, I think you and I might have um almost the same shoes on.

Mandy Dwight:

So I'm gonna go with their fun.

Samantha Johnson:

Thank you.

Mandy Dwight:

Yeah. So, you know, one thing too that that I wanted to ask you about is, you know, Mass Robotics, you said you started there were four women at the luncheon and now there's a ton of women. What has changed to bring more women literally to the table?

Samantha Johnson:

Yeah. Well, I think people are prioritizing hiring women. I think that's amazing. I actually talked with many founders at Mass Robotics who don't have any women on their team. And I go, Why don't you have any women on your team? And they're like, they don't apply. I'm like, because you have a team of 20 men. What woman wants to enter that room? You know, so I do think people are prioritizing getting women in early, understanding that there's a benefit to having different perspectives on your team and, you know, to make it a more inclusive space, also to help you going forward. And I think it's beneficial that there are more female founders who, without question, understand the merit of having a more inclusive team. And, you know, we have co-ops here on our team. And it's great to see more students applying. I think there's more women in that field of engineering who are entering the space. And so I think it's really exciting that, you know, this trajectory I think is only going to improve for women entering the space.

Mandy Dwight:

I think so too. I mean, I've been at this for I'm I'm not gonna say how long, but it's like there were no women. Yeah. And I would go into a room and somebody would be like, oh, you're the only woman here. And I'd be like, oh, I didn't notice. Thank you. And I but honestly, I really kind of almost didn't notice a lot of times because I was there for what I cared about and what I was passionate about, and nobody was gonna get in the way of that.

Samantha Johnson:

Right. And I think it's so important as a woman space to, you know, understand that potentially you were gonna be the only one in the room and you don't need to change yourself because of that. Yeah. You know, you can wear your fun shoes, you can be yourself, you don't need to change your personality to feel like you fit into that space. And I think that's hard again, easier said than done. It's hard, but I think the more you do it, the more you realize. And something that I tried to do with my team is I probably not the same as, you know, a male CEO or a male founder, but I make it work for me and my team and am flexible in that way. And I think it's been a really fun journey to figure out my leadership style and who I want to be as the CEO and founder of Tatum Robotics.

Mandy Dwight:

Yeah. I mean, leadership is an interesting thing too, you know, because nobody, I mean, very rarely do they teach you what that looks like. Right. And it's so different person to person.

Samantha Johnson:

I remember when we first started growing the team, you know, how I approach leadership to how I would want to be led. And I realized that's actually not the same as how these other folks want to be led. And so understanding, you know, what I can offer as a leader, where we need to, you know, adjust to that we all work together as a team was, you know, it's a great skill and something I'm always learning to. And I I always thank my early team members for being with me on that journey of understanding how we can grow together.

Mandy Dwight:

That's awesome. And, you know, we're coming up on a close to close the podcast down. But Tatum Robotics, I mean, you're a new company. It doesn't feel like that because robotics is like dog years. Every year is like seven, right? But um, you know, what is the overall vision? Wh where are you guys gonna go?

Samantha Johnson:

Yeah, well, I think, and Jaimi will probably attest to this, but we see this growing and growing beyond just deaf blind people in their homes, but this just making the world an accessible place for DeafBlind. You know, we're right now we're building a hand that does finger spelling. We're gonna start building a whole arm that's complex signing. Fantastic. I mentioned we're doing, we have collaborations across the world with other sign languages because obviously deaf blind can be very isolated and there's minimal resources here in the US. You can imagine that's exacerbated in other places of the world. And where you have collaborations with schools, with hospitals, with, you know, just libraries and museums to again just allow the deaf blind to approach the world in the same way that hearing-sided people do. So hopefully this is just the beginning and we'll hopefully continue to see us going forward.

Mandy Dwight:

Yeah, and we're we're grabbing lunch after this. So, you know, one thing I would do want to talk to you about at lunch is, you know, making this podcast accessible. That would be wonderful. You know, because we, you know, actually Forrest of our team thought of that yesterday. He's like, you know, we we need to talk about Sam, talk to Sam because we need people to know in the community about your product.

Samantha Johnson:

Yeah, that would be great. We actually introduced Jaimi one day when I think actually a previous podcast that we had done. Somebody asked Jaimi, Did you hear the podcast? She's like, What's a podcast? So we actually put the podcast on the robot and she listened to the podcast. She's like, Podcasts are so cool. So we can definitely think of many ways to make this accessible, not only for the deaf, blind, but for the broader range of your audience as well. Oh, that's fantastic.

Mandy Dwight:

So wonderful. Well, you know, Sam, thank you so much for joining today. Thank you so much for having me. This was a blast. Everyone, Sam Samantha Johnson over at Tatum Robotics, the website, uh Tatumrobotics.com. I always forget to do the handles at the end. I know, I know. Well, yeah, and Mandy Dwight, uh Dwight and Company, you know, sales and marketing strategy for automation and robotics companies. And again, really passionate about talking to somebody like Sam that's really doing robotics for good.