011 - We spent it on donuts

Episode 11. It's your fault.

Discord : https://discord.gg/UssZkqB7BR

This time we discuss our lives as hardened criminals, and Sean wastes the patreon money.

Games (and other things) discussed:

• Tekken 8
• Guilty Gear strive 2
• Battle in the south
• Battle By The Wey
• Virtua fighter 5 REVO
• Granblue fantasy versus rising
• Final Fantasy 7
• Pokemon Y
• Deadline Delivery
• Apollo Internet Cafe

Transcript

SPEAKER_07 0:00

So somebody's shit in the sink at university. Someone's shitting someone shit in the sink.

SPEAKER_02 0:06

Um what was they thinking beh I mean this is w weird open, but what were they thinking? I mean this isn't your game in university, so this this is game people that play games, they're weird.

SPEAKER_07 0:16

Yeah, they're some of them shit in sinks.

SPEAKER_02 0:18

Some of them. Yeah, I don't know. Well, because it could have been multiple. I think this is like a small majority, like a small sort of select group of people, I think.

SPEAKER_07 0:27

I think sink shitters you don't the the mentally ill, the uh people that hate sinks.

SPEAKER_09 0:34

Yeah.

SPEAKER_07 0:35

Um but also like like so we received uh uh like a text message, all of us, and it was like, um I can't believe I have to say this. These sinks are not for going to the toilet in, right? And I was in there, I was going, you know, doing my business, and I thought I had a little look at it, and I it's one of those where like the the there is no mistaking it. If it was Piss, it would have gone straight down into the plug hole, right? It's one of those ones that pops up. So we all surmise it has to have been a shit. So somebody shat in the sink. Now I'm just gonna say, whoever's done it, if you want to I uh own up, maybe message the podcast anonymously and we'll read out why you shat in the sink. But I have a theory because we just had the toilets remodelled and the sink is quite low down, right? And actually, probably easier to sit on and have a shit than the loo, which is significantly lower.

SPEAKER_02 1:26

I imagine um also like more sanitary.

SPEAKER_07 1:30

Yeah, probably, yeah, because you're not sharing a toilet. You that's but your own personal toilet that nobody else has shat in yet. Well then now somebody has.

SPEAKER_02 1:37

Fresh toilet, yeah.

SPEAKER_07 1:38

That's what people what some people call a sink. It's just a fresh toilet, isn't it really? Yeah, man.

SPEAKER_02 1:43

Speaking of toilets, welcome to Lucky and Wild Gaming Podcast.

SPEAKER_07 1:47

That's right, you're really in the toilet now, basically. Um, shall we get on with the podcast? Let's go. Hello and welcome to Lucky and Wild podcast about fighting games and other video games, old and new, discussed, dissected, and occasionally understood. I'm Harrison Hunt, and with me is Sean Hunt.

SPEAKER_02 2:17

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_07 2:20

Um, right, so should we uh this is this is a podcast about fighting games for video games, and we're gonna have a good time here today. We got your feedback.

SPEAKER_02 2:28

Uh sure, that's very different to my.

SPEAKER_07 2:30

Yeah, usually it's bad, but this time we're gonna go for a good one. Um we got your feedback, we're gonna be doing some news, what we've been playing, and our radio style items in Getting Lucky and Going Wild, followed by the maelstrom where we read your mail. Shall we do some feedback?

SPEAKER_02 2:45

Yeah, yeah, we're gonna do that first then.

SPEAKER_07 2:48

Yeah, as opposed to what?

SPEAKER_02 2:50

I don't know, like you said this is gonna be a good one, so I thought you'd like changing things up and that, innit? But no, no, no.

SPEAKER_07 2:56

We're going with the same format, but this time magically it will be good for no reason. How does that sound? Yeah, that sounds great. Let's do some feedback. What are you saying? So fucking Northerner, he comes in, he says, uh it was about we asked for your gaming hot takes, and uh he said that the angriest a game has ever made him was the Doom Eternal DLC. Um and he comes in, he says, to explain further my Maelstrom's to explain further my Maelstrom response. I usually don't get mad at games, but I was intentionally widening myself up playing Doom as a pseudo-roleplay, since the Doom guy's only character trait is literally too angry to die. Had to tone it back once I reached the point of punching walls every time I died, which was happening more and more frequently the further I got into the DLC. Also, the skill issue, as I kept uh as in I kept dying, and the main issue is my skill or lack thereof, mad because bad.

SPEAKER_02 3:49

Um I'm sorry, but uh it does seem like he's sort of covering up his bad behaviour by pretending he's the dame guy and that.

SPEAKER_07 3:57

Yeah, it's like it's an excuse for sort of smashing his own house up. Like he's that is a bit of a it's to be honest with you, fucking northern of that is a bit of a weird thing to do. Uh I can understand role-playing, bruh. I thought he meant like in the game, like he was sort of playing it super aggressively where he usually wouldn't. But what he means is he's playing it super aggressively like in real. He was aggressive. Yeah, yeah. Right. Uh his wife comes in, he's having a bad time on Doom, he punches her in the back.

SPEAKER_02 4:25

I understand like the game's pretty clutch though. It can you can't it can get pretty frustrating, but you know, just maybe leave the furniture alone, leave it as is, don't punch anything. Just go and play power wash simulator.

SPEAKER_07 4:38

That sounds like more his speed, doesn't it?

SPEAKER_02 4:39

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_07 4:40

Because then he could roleplay as that and get a clean house afterwards. Exactly. Yeah. That's uh so so you know, just just calm down a bit, mate. Calm down, you'll be alright. Kill defences. Um he talked about uh he sent us a message about M. Bison making him anger cry as a child. And he says to follow up mine, I was like nine and my Chun Li skills were absolutely not cutting it. Ha.

SPEAKER_02 4:59

Yeah, difficult character. In the in the scheme of characters in Street Fighter 2, a difficult character to learn.

SPEAKER_07 5:06

Well, when I was also that age, I was just I was just mash.

SPEAKER_02 5:09

Yeah, I didn't really learn at that age either, to be fair. I mean, like the first game, like the first Street Fighter game I probably learnt properly was Alpha, and I just went from there in.

SPEAKER_07 5:20

I think even then at that point, because our fighting games, like that was after arcades, and our fighting game playing just was sort of us, like and our mates playing together. Yeah, it was, yeah. And uh I didn't even learn it then. I didn't even try. I just used uh I was I would just sort of mash and hope that the best things would come out.

SPEAKER_02 5:37

Shortly after that, we went we took we took the fight online and uh, you know, with little Kaolira.

SPEAKER_07 5:44

Yeah, I mean that uh that was probably the first time I ever took anything relatively seriously was Marvel Vers Capcom 1 on Kayleira.

SPEAKER_09 5:51

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_07 5:51

That was like Fight Cade before Fight Cade. It was an online expansion for MAME, and it was it was alright. I mean it was quite it was like uh pretty ropey at best.

SPEAKER_02 6:02

Yeah, yeah, it was like 50-50 as to whether you'd have a good like maybe not, maybe in 30-70 as to whether you've have a good connection, and you'd sort of learn all the names of the people, like so you know that you're gonna get a good fight and a good connection.

SPEAKER_07 6:16

Because there were only about 30 people ever online, and like it was kind of cool because you could chat via the app too, and you would sort of um send each other the ROMs and stuff like this. But my point is that I feel like um uh around the age of nine, I probably would have been similar. I I think more most more often than not, I probably got to M Bison and just gave up is the likely thing. I think actually at that time I probably played more Mortal Kombat, which is terrible. To be fair, but it's the easier game, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 6:43

It was, it was. But uh I've I think as well, like there's a few characters where you can easily beat bison with. Uh yeah, exactly. Um like people people always used to like just go through the game as blanker, for example. Like and just mash the electric.

SPEAKER_07 6:58

Yeah, exactly. Bruh. Um, and uh of course, uh no, I haven't got anything to say, I was just concentrating on pressing that bruh, to be honest. Um but yeah, I I get it. You were nine, the game was difficult, and it like fighting games uh are are kind of weird to try and learn, especially when you're that age and you just want to sit down and play a game and not necessarily have to use 100% of your brain. You just wanna you you wanted to just sit down and play a game about where you punch the enemy and they die.

SPEAKER_02 7:28

The AI like did cheat on Street Fighter 2 as well, so like hats off to you for getting to buy some. Fair enough. You know.

SPEAKER_07 7:34

It was a good it was a valiant effort. Unfortunately, it did make him cry though. Uh that is it for feedback. Shall we do some news? News. Should have had that ready. Yeah, show us your news. Tekken 8 reviews plummet even further following back to the bullshit patch. So, Tekken 8's big season 3 update happened, and uh the trailer promised back to basics? Now, this was much like Heihachi, Hei Hachi being completely dead, a fucking lie. The update promised to take away some of the modern bullshit in Tekken 8 and bring it closer to traditional Tekken. Instead, it's more of the same, and the game still focuses overly on offensive play. This spawned some pretty hilarious memes, including the Back to the Bullshit meme, which says uh it's changed the Back to Basics logo that they came up with, and it says Tekken 8, back to the bullshit, heat, tornado, chip damage, power crush, rage art, and more. Um this has led to the reviews on Steam for Tekken 8 going from mixed, which is like if you see mixed, yeah, you don't you don't no, you don't want to buy the game. Not to play that game. That's a bad game. But now it's mostly negative. Mostly negative. There are few games that can really boast having that bad a score with that many players.

SPEAKER_02 8:57

No, hopefully we'll get to overwhelmingly negative.

SPEAKER_07 9:00

It will be there, man. It's coming, it's coming. But um, as a result, Namco are working on an emergency patch, and this is what they had to say. They said, Moving forward, we will continue to pursue a battle experience where offence and defence are balanced around the heat system. Well, okay, so the heat systems. So heat system's staying in. It nobody likes it, but let's keep it anyway. Um, and allowing players to engage in meaningful mind gains and decision making against their opponents. Which that should have been there from day one. That's that is what fighting games are.

SPEAKER_02 9:31

That's what Tekken is, you know.

SPEAKER_07 9:32

Yeah, exactly.

SPEAKER_02 9:33

Yes.

SPEAKER_07 9:33

Um they continue while maintaining the direction of version 3.0 adjustments, we will continue addressing elements that still result in excessive rewards or one-sided gameplay. These issues will be improved step by step through individual behaviour fixes and performance adjustments.

SPEAKER_02 9:49

So do you reckon it's going to be another Street Fire 5 by the end? We'll have by the end we'll have a slight slightly decent playable game.

SPEAKER_07 9:56

But everyone would have already moved on.

SPEAKER_02 9:58

Yeah, yeah. Probably something like that. Um I I the thing is also the characters like that they are they've gone with for this new season are on the best. But I mean Wait, wait, no, they had Roger. Oh, Roger and Bob, yeah.

SPEAKER_07 10:11

So come on.

SPEAKER_02 10:12

Yeah, alright.

SPEAKER_07 10:13

However, I the one the one thing that um is that stands out to me is that the characters, unfortunately, in this version of the game were designed with the heat moves, with the rage arts all in mind.

SPEAKER_02 10:25

Yeah, they were, yeah.

SPEAKER_07 10:25

And so the point is if they just take that away, the game is gonna be unbelievably unbalanced. Now we were excited when the back to basics bullsh like lies came out because we thought maybe they're gonna remove those things.

SPEAKER_02 10:38

Uh there there was a fan patch that you can get of the game, uh, which is a back to basics where they've taken out Rage Arts and Heat and that.

SPEAKER_07 10:46

Yeah, but the thing is that then requires you're playing with a much smaller player base that know the mod exists and knows that aren't playing on consoles.

SPEAKER_02 10:52

Yeah, which is very few.

SPEAKER_07 10:54

And the thing is, if if Namco wanted to take out all of those systems and rebalance the entire game, that would be like they should have been working on that from day one if they wanted to have it uh out now, right? Like, yeah, yeah. You know, and and yet what they've been doing, they they would they thought with one sort of like small patch made over like a few months that they were gonna completely rebalance the game. Didn't they did they not realize that people were just gonna notice the lies? They were like, back to basics, all they've done is sort of a minor balance change to some of the characters.

SPEAKER_02 11:25

Yeah, that's it. Like people are already distrusting at this time, so you can't like you can't just yeah, you can't just because you know that people are gonna pick it apart.

SPEAKER_07 11:34

They already we already had our suspicions that it was gonna be back to the bullshit, and it and it was. It's the same game. All they've done is like change rebalance a few things.

SPEAKER_02 11:43

Uh me recently came out, uh probably the best Tekken player of all time. Uh he came out and said uh Tekken A is unfixable, it's dead.

SPEAKER_07 11:53

Uh I'd agree with that because you they'd need to take the elements and completely rework character movesets and the way that the entire game works in order to make it good. I thought that maybe they would just at the very least, if they just deleted heat and rage arts, I'd be f I'd sort of be okay with that. Now the game would be an unbalanced mess, but we'd have fun with it at least. Yeah, yeah. It would feel better. The amount of times like no offense or anything, but when we were playing Tekken 8 and I was just I was straight up destroying you, and then suddenly that you you do that salmon move on Kuma, and it's like, oh right, so the this cut comeback, I just hate comeback mechanics. They they're shit, they're always shit.

SPEAKER_02 12:32

Yeah, I mean I I did yeah.

SPEAKER_07 12:35

It's just I was I I was like uh I was doing so well, and then my goose was just utterly cooked by that stupid thing coming out that you cannot sidestep, and if you're anywhere close, you're getting salmoned. That's a fact.

SPEAKER_02 12:46

Yeah, he's one of the best characters though. He is, but that's sort of why, yeah. I mean, and also like he's strong, and like every character feels the same, so having a strong character feel like is good, really, to be fair.

SPEAKER_07 12:59

Just yeah, just strong characters. But they're they're all sort of strong when you consider the fact that there's a comeback mechanic built into the game. It means if you're losing, for no reason whatsoever, you can go ahead and just slap the opponent about for a bit. Yeah, fucking dumb, shitty game. Um look, if you do still play Tekken 8, just go and play someone else, man. I know it's your I know Tekken's your favourite, but it's not good anymore. Just go play Virtua Fighter. Don't do that, don't do that. We'll talk about that later.

SPEAKER_02 13:27

Uh Tekken 7 then.

SPEAKER_07 13:29

Yeah, play Tekken 7. That see, that would be cool. If everyone just went back to that. Yeah, it would be that would be back to the basics. That would be good. But people have to play the latest one for some dumb fucking reason. You know what would happen to the tournament scene, the competitive scene, if everyone played Tekken 7, we'd be playing Tekken 7. Yeah, we would. And that's a good game.

SPEAKER_02 13:46

Until Tekken 9 comes out, huh?

SPEAKER_07 13:48

Yeah, and then that's gonna be even worse. Well, who knows? Who knows? They might have learned their lesson.

SPEAKER_02 13:53

Um, without Harada, though. I mean.

SPEAKER_07 13:55

Yeah, but Tekken 8 came out with Harada. Yeah, it did. Harada is completely dead.

SPEAKER_02 14:00

Yeah, he is, yeah.

SPEAKER_07 14:02

Um, Mario Galaxy movie confirms 20-year-old fan theory. So the upcoming Mario Galaxy movie was just rated PG in the UK. I don't know what the American equivalent would be, but um, whatever. It's like one above universal. Like you can go and see it, but you have to bring a parent. Parental guidance is what it means. The interesting thing is this was rated by the BBFC, and uh you can go and look at the BBFC website right now and see why it was rated PG, like it's got all the listings of the reasons, like mild peril, things like this.

SPEAKER_02 14:34

Does Mario like say cunt or something like that?

SPEAKER_07 14:37

He does. He uh calls Luigi a cunt, yes.

SPEAKER_02 14:40

Oh, yeah. It's been coming. You're a cunt. It's been coming for a long time.

SPEAKER_07 14:44

Um one reason given for the rating is yes, fucking Luigi deserves it, man. But one of the reasons given for the PG rating is quote, mildly upsetting scenes which include fashion flashbacks to the separation of a girl and her younger sister. Now, as we know, the Mario Galaxy film features Princess Peach and Rosalina.

SPEAKER_02 15:03

Oh sisters confirmed. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_07 15:07

So that's pretty cool, isn't it?

SPEAKER_02 15:08

That's cool. That is cool.

SPEAKER_07 15:09

I mean, I've not really got much to say on that, but um as we both know, the Mario movies are canon, and as a result, that is a pretty cool revelation.

SPEAKER_02 15:16

No, Nintendo themselves. No, no, no, hang on a minute though, because wait it's own separate uniforms.

SPEAKER_07 15:22

Shigeru Miyamoto.

SPEAKER_02 15:23

He did say Shigeru Miyu Shigeru Miyoto go home.

SPEAKER_07 15:28

That's racist. Um But Shigeru Miyamoto, he did say about uh overpronunciation. Shigeru Miyamoto, he did say about Mario Movie Mario Movie 1. He actually said that he he signed off on every single creative decision that was made in the film. So therefore, it is canon, even if he doesn't consider it to be.

SPEAKER_02 15:52

Um Well, he signed off on it, but you know, that's because he was scared of scared. Scared because the first Mario Brothers film was like too good too good for Nintendo.

SPEAKER_07 16:05

No, you're scared because you have spent your entire life learning about Mario lore, and now this has come along and changed it. Now the first one is canon because it's an official Nintendo product. If it's on a t-shirt, that's canon. Doesn't matter. It can be anything, it is it is canon. It might be an alternate timeline, but it's canon.

SPEAKER_02 16:23

And this new one confirms that Peach and Well they have the same like similar story, like he lives in Brooklyn and that, and then he goes to the Mushroom Kingdom and all that.

SPEAKER_07 16:31

Exactly. So it's canon. Facts.

SPEAKER_02 16:33

Yeah. I mean it looks good. Star Fox is also part of that universe now as well, apparently. What? Yeah, like Star Fox in the film. Just to add to what you He's in Mario Galaxy.

SPEAKER_07 16:43

Yeah. So the what is the name of the gala the galaxy that Star Fox takes place in? Light the Linelat Galaxy? I don't know. I'll come back. But does that mean that in this film that galaxy exists within all those little planets that Mario visits?

SPEAKER_02 16:59

Yeah, pretty much, yeah.

SPEAKER_07 17:00

See, that's cool.

SPEAKER_02 17:00

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_07 17:01

So that's new, that's canon as well, for f for a fact, because sh Shigeru has signed off on it, mate. You've spoken to him. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 17:08

Good.

SPEAKER_07 17:09

Yeah. I asked him some questions and he just nodded. It was a bit weird.

SPEAKER_02 17:12

Well, I'll I'll see the film. Uh we'll review it next time for the pod. We will go and see it. Or Pirate. We uh yeah, we'll go and see it. Um I'm gonna go see it for work anyway, isn't it?

SPEAKER_07 17:23

Oh, of course you are, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Guilty Gear Strive 2 announced, sort of.

SPEAKER_01 17:28

Bruh.

SPEAKER_07 17:28

So Tekken 8 did their big patch, as we've discussed earlier, and it was a mixed bag. And when I say mixed bag, I mean like a bag full of shit mixed with like uh some more shit.

SPEAKER_02 17:38

Yeah, um whereas Guilty Gear Guilty Gear have strategically gone the other direction and decided to make the game better.

SPEAKER_07 17:44

Exactly. The simple ass noob friendly babies first fighting game, Guilty Gear Strive, announced an update, and it looks like the game is gonna be fixed! Now heads are turning. Tekken players are thinking Strive's looking real good right now. And uh firstly, Wild Assault is being completely removed and uh it which was a mechanic for taking away your opponent's meter, which is fucking stupid. But it's being replaced with counter blitz, a mechanic that gives each character a dedicated follow-up attack after countering. Additionally, all characters are now getting new special moves, so their actual move set is being expanded beyond that being basically a Smash Brothers move set. And there's also going to be costumes in the game, which you know I love. Uh accessories to a battle pass, new DLC characters, into including the returning character Jam Kurodobari, a chef who uses a rabbit as a weapon, which is fucking cool. And it's out on the 9th of April, mate. That's very soon. You know, uh And get this if you own the game already, free, completely free.

SPEAKER_02 18:43

That's brilliant. That's really good. But there is one thing that you forgot to add, which is uh the new UI as well. Like, because the old one was rubbish. So I'm hoping in ranked matches where you only have to do that shitey thing. But like I've seen. Um like where you have to like run up like run about and find matches.

SPEAKER_07 19:02

Mega faggy! You don't have to um necessarily you don't have to run about and find matches. Oh you no, no, you can just they updated that a while ago. She only's referencing the fact that there's the you go up on floors that indicate your rank in Guilty Gates Drive, right? Yeah. And you sort of hang out in this lobby. I like the lobby, but it is buggy as fuck. Yeah, I don't know. That said, you don't have to you haven't had to do that for a while, mate.

SPEAKER_02 19:25

Oh, okay.

SPEAKER_07 19:26

But even when you were playing it, you didn't have to do it. You know, you can just hit wait for ranked matches in training mode.

SPEAKER_02 19:33

No, I didn't know that, but um yeah, I'm looking forward to that as well. Then it like it look but it looks a lot fresher to be honest.

SPEAKER_07 19:38

And you know what I would really like? Like, I I just like the fact that they're expanding the character's movesets. That's what the game fucking needed. Even if they keep the normals the same, which are fairly simple, right? Even if they keep that the same, just a couple more moves for each character is gonna really round out the game.

SPEAKER_02 19:54

To spice it up and like make the ceiling a lot higher, I think, as well.

SPEAKER_07 19:57

100%.

SPEAKER_02 19:58

Maybe we should like jump in on that, like when I really, really want to.

SPEAKER_07 20:02

Um Wilder Soul uh being gone, very, very, very happy with that. And lastly, the costume thing it's just I don't know, you know I love that type of stuff.

SPEAKER_02 20:11

Yeah, because Arc System, like they generally don't do costumes for their characters for some reason.

SPEAKER_07 20:17

Yeah, but it's because the um shaders and animation system that they're using to achieve that 2.5D look is um very, very uh resource heavy and difficult to uh develop for. So I can understand why they don't do alternate costumes, but the fact they're putting in the effort now is really, really cool. But also, um I just look, I hope I know the whole thing's probably gonna be gussied up, menus are changed, UIs are changed, all of that. I hope that we can just create a room without actually having to walk around that room. Yeah, right? Because you don't have to use the walking around the room, stupid floors shit for ranked. You don't have to, but if I could just be in a lobby with you with because that's the worst thing, is that to if I match up with you to do a fight, we have to you have to walk your little character over to one of these computers and face against each other, right?

SPEAKER_02 21:09

And it's sometimes it doesn't work as well.

SPEAKER_07 21:11

It frequently doesn't work.

SPEAKER_02 21:12

If you back out and you're just stuck there and things like that.

SPEAKER_07 21:16

Yeah, we constantly have to reboot and go back into the game. So I am hoping that little things like that are going to be ironed out as well.

SPEAKER_02 21:23

I'm sure I'm sure they are.

SPEAKER_07 21:24

The actual changes to the game, I'm just like, fucking Guilty Gear might be playable again. It might be a good game now.

SPEAKER_02 21:30

Yeah, this could be like Exod sign.

SPEAKER_07 21:32

Now I will say this, my friend Tommy from University, shout out, he did point out, because he he's quite a uh Guilty Gear expert, right?

SPEAKER_02 21:39

And you reckon has he been playing it for like uh like uh uh since the beginning then?

SPEAKER_07 21:45

Well he's he I believe so, and his knowledge just is quite good about the game. And uh I did notice that um well he notes that that that basically Lucy has this uh um special move where she can do quick hacks on players because she's from Cyberpunk. And you can hack them to make counterattacks more effective. Now, with this new counter mechanic, it might bring Br Lucy up to being amazing when she uses that quick hack, which I'm a fan of because currently she's like C tier and she's my favourite character.

SPEAKER_02 22:14

So I'm like, I think either they're gonna change that move because you said they're they're updating some moves, adding new moves. I think with that one they're gonna update it.

SPEAKER_07 22:22

So um they'll probably it'll probably so she'll be firmly lodged still in C tier.

SPEAKER_02 22:27

No, no, I think uh I don't think she will. I think um uh the they may I think that uh they'll m they may change it to like a status effect or something.

SPEAKER_07 22:36

Yeah, well, but that's what it is. It's just a status effect on the enemy player. Oh yeah, on you so so it makes them more susceptible to counterattacks for a while, because you're hacking them.

SPEAKER_02 22:46

What about like a slow thing or something like that though?

SPEAKER_07 22:49

Yeah, I don't know. I don't know.

SPEAKER_02 22:50

Not like that, but I don't know, like a poison.

SPEAKER_07 22:52

They might take that one out and remove it with something else. They've already got like a poison one on there, but yeah, there's there's there's loads of different ones. But I think they might remove remove it and replace it with something else, but I'd be happy if they didn't.

SPEAKER_02 23:03

I'd like to don't do it. They need to bring out the the uh the gutter really.

SPEAKER_07 23:09

Anyway, uh the next piece of news is yes, ladies and gentlemen, we're doing a segment later that requires me to have this uh soundboard and DJ deck in front of me, and I've loaded it with stupid sounds. It's probably not amusing for anyone, but anyway, use Universal Studios theme park coming to England, Chessington responds with Minecraft World. Okay, well Universal Studios are in the process of making a UK theme park. What this therefore means is that Chessington, Thought Park, Alton Towers, uh all the UK theme parks are basically fucked.

SPEAKER_02 23:39

Yeah, because it's a lot better, like then And it's the one everyone wants to go to.

SPEAKER_07 23:44

Yeah. It's like it's if the is it's either that or Disneyland.

SPEAKER_02 23:47

If I liked theme parks, I'd be well excited.

SPEAKER_07 23:50

Yeah, same. But uh so Chessington, which uh need I remind you, is the world of adventures, and uh they're doing a Minecraft-based section of their theme park. Yeah, they haven't got much room though, so I'll just Yeah, just plow down, look, just knock over a few houses in the local area. Who gives a shit? We get roller coasters.

SPEAKER_02 24:07

Even they're not legally allowed to do that.

SPEAKER_07 24:09

No, but they can ask people to, very persuasively.

SPEAKER_02 24:11

Okay, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_07 24:13

You know.

SPEAKER_02 24:13

Um I I know, yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_07 24:15

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. They've got connections, you know what I mean? Now, the budget for this is uh for this Minecraft order is fifty million. Now, what's interesting about this, Thorpe Park, another UK theme park, cost uh three million to build in 1975, which adjusted for inflation is about 18 million today. So that entire theme park cost 18 million. I mean Chessing are now put putting making Minecraft world for like over double that amount.

SPEAKER_02 24:42

I mean, we went to theme uh Thorpe Park in like I mean I went like when I was five and that was in 1990. So um they had stuff like the flying fish and the bumper cars back then. Um so it was pretty it's pretty minor. It was pretty like it was it was meant for kids back then. Well, well this is it the this is what uh uh Arthur 3 million gets you, I mean.

SPEAKER_07 25:03

But this is what I've heard, I've heard, well, 18 million adjusted for inflation. But the um I've heard that the 50 million by today's standards, with the level of like what roller coasters are expected to be now. I've been hearing that 50 million is actually quite a modest budget by today's standards.

SPEAKER_06 25:17

Yeah.

SPEAKER_07 25:18

And actually, it's it's probably it's not gonna be as good as Universal. We know that. Um but uh not much is known about what the theme park will actually entail. But Merlin Entertainment, the company working with Mojang to create the theme park, said this. We're planning the first ever Minecraft roller coaster, um, the world's biggest Minecraft shop, tasty Minecraft themed food, opportunities to meet the mobs, and lots more. The team uh announced. Uh yeah, anyway. But basically, so if you want to go on a and I just let me say this, it's not the first Minecraft themed roller coaster, and I tell you why, because you know there is some like really scummy, shitty park in Spain somewhere that's painted uh an already existing roller coaster to be a Minecraft one.

SPEAKER_02 26:04

Yeah, definitely.

SPEAKER_07 26:05

Around the world somewhere that's happened, and I'm guessing Spain.

SPEAKER_02 26:08

Yeah, it's like the flagrant sort of like use of marg marvel um properties.

SPEAKER_07 26:14

Like it's got a painting of Mario on it, but he's got different coloured dungarees. Yeah, yeah. And it's like it says super dario or something.

SPEAKER_06 26:20

Um but I will say that Well do you want you would you go there and eat Minecraft themed for food? Um well like square burger.

SPEAKER_07 26:26

Pork chop, yeah, square burger. If I want a square burger, there's one place I'm going.

SPEAKER_02 26:31

Um five guys. Alright. Um meet the mobs. Um just guys bowling about in creeper outfits and that.

SPEAKER_07 26:38

Yeah, going sss in that.

SPEAKER_02 26:40

Yeah, but I don't want people going sss in my ear and that. I just want to like just you know, I was gonna say on the fucking Minecraft roller coaster in peace. I was gonna say this guy's exploding on me. I was gonna say that, but I don't really want to do that even to be honest. And also Thor Park just built like the largest, the tallest roller coaster in the UK, and like Universal are just gonna just basically just build like twice the size of one.

SPEAKER_07 27:04

I mean it's gonna be amazing. Yeah, yeah. Uh I think this it's a it's a valiant effort, a good idea to try and compete, but unfortunately it's going to be shit, and uh the universal one is just gonna it's gonna sweep the nation, much like that new broom that just came out.

SPEAKER_02 27:17

Where is it being built?

SPEAKER_07 27:19

Uh I don't how the fuck am I supposed to know?

SPEAKER_02 27:22

I should have done my research. I'm sorry.

SPEAKER_07 27:23

No, no, it was, yeah, yeah, yeah. What what research did you do about the news?

SPEAKER_02 27:27

Uh well, I mean, I didn't know really. Mega Fagg! I mean, you'll see in my next news story.

SPEAKER_07 27:33

Alright, well, we'll wait, won't we? Because it's my one again next, because I did all the fucking work for this one, didn't I? Uh like I usually do. So if you want to start slagging me off. Um, alright, yeah, please. No, I'd rather you didn't. Uh let's talk about the NVIDIA DLSS5 nonsense. So we've all been seeing the memes of DLSS5 shit from NVIDIA. Um, now what this is is a quote AI-powered upscaling filter which will allow developers to deliver a new level of photo real computer graphics previously only achieved in Hollywood visual effects. That quote comes straight from NVIDIA. Now, what's the reality of it? Right? You've seen the images, the famous one is obviously the one where uh it's upscaling the new character from Resident Evil Requiem. Is her name Claire? No, it's not Claire, that's a different character. Lucy. Grace. Grace, okay. So, um, and it's upscaling her. What it looks like, so she's obviously made to be attractive already, right? But what the this DLSS filter has done, I don't think it's sort of made it into a more realistic face. The graphics are fine. What it's sort of done is implied an Instagram filter to her, yeah, added makeup, like this is she's in a desperate situation, probably getting chased by zombies. I haven't played the game yet. But and now and now this thing's just sort of putting makeup on her. Very odd.

SPEAKER_02 28:49

Like uh, it just doesn't work at all, really, to be honest. Because uh, how how is it gonna know what to do all the time, you know? Well, this is it. I mean it it's just gonna look like AI a slarp or something.

SPEAKER_07 29:01

Well it will, and and you you you uh you although put it in a very weird way, you are quite right. Because um although this DLSS 5 is a new technology, I had to play Monster Hunter Wilds with DLSS because the game was optimised by a fucking baboon. And uh I it like you say, it's it it makes mistakes, right? And the point was is that for some fucking reason the AI sort of uh uh generation applies to the UI as well, which whoever came up with that is a fucking idiot. Um and it means that there's ghosting all the time, there's ghosting on everything. You turn too quickly, uh there's there's ghosting on shit. And it's like slightly uh PS2 days or like Yeah, it's weird, and like like didn't we didn't we like come up with solutions for this before, right? I thought that if if like um there was an option between graphics staying roughly the same as it was during the PS4 era or having AI render frames in between the frames that are actually being rendered, like I know which one I pick. I was fine with the graphics being that we should have waited till a different leap, a non-AI-based graphics technology was made. And you know what the stupid thing about this is, right? You've got a 4090 card in your computer, right? Yeah. Top of almost top of the range, right? But it's a high-end graphics card, right? Now, for this DLSS5, do you know what you have to have? You have to have at least a 5090, and not only that, you have to have two of them. Yeah, who has those though? Who has two who has two 5090s? And like, who would want to do that to have these filters applied to the game? I don't fucking get it. Now the all I'm coming at it from an uneducated point of view, right? I don't really know how it works or what it does. All I know is the result and what it looks like, and it looks like shit, right? It's creating um things that the artists behind the game did not intend, and that's not good. But um the now, of course, everyone, right, has uh um has hastily been saying that DLSS5 is shit and using the phrase AI slop, which has been these insults have been served up in thick lashings. So Nvidia did respond to these criticisms, and he's good. But they said uh, well, first of all, they're completely wrong.

SPEAKER_02 31:08

First of all, how dare you?

SPEAKER_07 31:10

But yeah, and uh and following up with, as I have explained very carefully, DLSS5 fuses controllability of the geometry and textures with everything about the game with generative AI. It's not post-processing, it's not post-processing at the frame level, it's generative control at the geometry level. All of that is in the control, direct control of the game developer. This is very different from generative AI. It's content control generative AI. So he's saying it's not generative AI, it's just a different kind of generative AI. So it is then.

SPEAKER_02 31:42

So he uh so they're trying to sort of wash their hands a bit and just sort of like pass it on to the developers that well.

SPEAKER_07 31:48

The very final thing is he says that's why we call it neural rendering. It's like the well, you call it that because you don't want to admit that it's AI, because that's why people hate it.

SPEAKER_02 31:57

Yeah, exactly.

SPEAKER_07 31:58

We like we don't like um developers' visions to be destroyed by programs that guess. You know what I mean? Yeah, yeah, exactly. Even I I did see some examples where and and this is the only thing I will say on the matter, right? The the only positive use for this thing could be in games like Battlefield, Call of Duty, where where basically there's no stylistic elements, there's no artistic vision, it's just make a game that looks realistic.

SPEAKER_02 32:25

Well, very like glitchy bad games, you know.

SPEAKER_07 32:28

I don't know if they're glitchy, but but like bad.

SPEAKER_02 32:31

Battlefield is.

SPEAKER_07 32:32

Yeah, that's true. But my point is that it's trying to achieve a realistic look. Yeah. Um there's no female faces on screen, so it's not gonna slap makeup on every uh every hoe you see. Um so the sorry about that. Um but it it could make the game's lighting look a bit nicer.

SPEAKER_09 32:47

Yeah.

SPEAKER_07 32:47

But I did see an example of Assassin's Creed Shadows, a game very much about shadows, where DLSS5 took away the shadows from Assassin's Creed Shadows. So I mean it put it back in the oven, Nvidia. It's sh it's it's silly, and it how are you expecting people to how much is a fucking 50-90 graphics card? I don't even know. Um probably like a grand.

SPEAKER_06 33:08

Yeah, it is. Maybe. Yeah.

SPEAKER_07 33:09

Right, as a guess, sorry about that, but two grand for your graphics card, if we're right, which we probably aren't. Anyway, um, yeah, do you like DLSS5?

SPEAKER_02 33:17

Are you gonna get two 5090s anytime soon? Uh no, I don't well, I don't think in my lifetime really to be.

SPEAKER_07 33:24

No, no. Well, because but uh I'm gonna wait uh until uh could 5090 graphics card go on sale. When then I'll be getting to, definitely.

SPEAKER_02 33:32

When's that gonna be though?

SPEAKER_07 33:33

Well, because I'm sick, Sean, of games uh having uh females in them that don't look attractive to me. Okay? So more makeup does fix that, to be fair. That is right, yeah. Slap a bit of sauce on your face, love um right, anyway, uh next one. Sony PS5 price hike. So Sony have uh hiked their prices yet again. And uh after less than a year, uh that time raising price by£40 with a digital edition now costing£518 quid, and the PS5 Pro costing£789.99. Sony have not only cited a tough market climate but also demand for RAM due to AI technology and the slop we see on our Instagram and Facebook every day. Now it's a good thing, isn't it, that a lot of developers nowadays are going for retro looks. What do you mean? Like the PS1 Renaissance, for example. Uh, pixel graphics. Like like I think with the fact that nobody can afford to buy a fucking console now, the fact that you're gonna need 250 90s just to make the women attractive, um, and uh all of by the way, that's not something I actually believe. I'm saying it ironically. Um my point is that now if hardware gets too expensive, what are people gonna do? They're gonna stick with what they have.

SPEAKER_02 34:46

Yeah, that is good. It's like we're going in like gamers are going into survival mode.

SPEAKER_07 34:50

Yeah, but uh like my PC is decent. I mean, I've thought about getting new RAM for it, then I see the price, I'm like, well fuck that. I'll stick with what I got, I play games that I can play. Yeah, like as a result, maybe developers will just start making games for the hardware we already have. Yeah. Stylized shit.

SPEAKER_02 35:04

I think so. I mean, I hope so at least. Um, because yeah, nobody's really gonna be buying a PS5 anymore. Uh unless they are stupid. I don't know.

SPEAKER_07 35:13

Stupid or rich, stupid and rich, that's what you have to be.

SPEAKER_02 35:15

But I'd say go buy a Steam uh like one of like I mean, I don't know how much they're gonna be, but the Steam Cube, uh Gabe Cube, uh Well Gabe Cube is is is like they said it's gonna be somewhat premium and people are reckoning about a grand or something like that.

unknown 35:30

Okay.

SPEAKER_02 35:30

That's that's still good like for what it is though, like to have that and to live for PS5.

SPEAKER_07 35:35

If it's if it's between uh the PS5 costing£790 and a Steam Cube which is gonna be£900 to£1,000, if I had the money, I'd go with a Steam Cube. Yeah, yeah. However, the thing is that I don't think I'd go for either in that case. Not really, no. See if it if it gets to the point where uh shit is too expensive for me to afford, I'm just gonna stick stick with playing old games. I'm not gonna play the new ones. Yeah. Simple as. And hopefully that will send a message to I don't know, the developers. It's like it's funny, isn't it? Because NVIDIA using AI, right? They're making AI slop to make the games look worse.

SPEAKER_02 36:09

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_07 36:10

And at the same time, this AI is destroying the hard gaming hardware industry that they rely on for income.

SPEAKER_02 36:18

And uh sort of trying to say they're pro AI as well.

SPEAKER_07 36:21

So it's like Yeah, so it's like you're you're pro this thing that could cost you your fucking jobs. There could be a point where they they're going too ham on the graphics cards, making them too expensive out of parts nobody can fucking afford, and uh nobody's gonna buy them anymore. I mean, I don't know if it's a worthwhile comparison, but look at when the PS3 was priced too high. And it was the the one time Sony have ever sort of done a bit bad on a console. If the prices are too high, people won't actually buy it. It's a fact.

SPEAKER_02 36:47

Yeah, and three years later, people did buy it when they made it. Could afford it. Yeah.

SPEAKER_07 36:51

Yeah, that's what I did.

SPEAKER_02 36:52

Yeah.

SPEAKER_07 36:52

Um right, that is it for news. You got any other news?

SPEAKER_02 36:56

Uh yeah, um uh there was uh Yuzo Kashiro said recently uh about his recent Schmupp game, uh, that they are developing it for the Mega Drive, but um recent things to do with AI have sort of halted that sort of development of it.

SPEAKER_07 37:15

Do you mean Earthian?

SPEAKER_02 37:16

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_07 37:18

Yeah, I mean I I'd heard that. I I to be honest with you, I thought it was already out on the Mega Drive.

SPEAKER_02 37:23

Uh no. But do you know do you know here's the thing?

SPEAKER_07 37:25

Here's the funny thing about that game. Now you're not really supposed to know that. Actually, I don't know. I I don't know if they did it on purpose, but Earthian is a classic schmub. Uh it's amazing, it really, really is. But the um thing about it is is that it has buried within the files um a Mega Drive ROM.

SPEAKER_01 37:43

Oh, okay.

SPEAKER_07 37:43

So what they did is they've made it so that you can you can get that ROM off there, you need to like unpack one of the re the packed files in there, I don't know what it is, like a like a zip or something like this, um, and then take the ROM out. But what that means is if you want to play it on original hardware, if you've got like an Evocade style device for Mega Drive, or you uh want to play it on an emulation device, you can do that. But you have but you have to buy the game first. And I think that's completely fair. That's a really, really cool way of doing it.

SPEAKER_02 38:12

That is a good way of doing it.

SPEAKER_07 38:13

And to be honest, it looks like a really, really good game. I played the demo and uh thought it was amazing, but I haven't I haven't got around to playing it yet.

SPEAKER_02 38:20

After our pin like next month.

SPEAKER_07 38:21

Well, one of your favourite schmups is Thunder Force 4, right? Yeah. And it's got it's very much similar, uh like in the same vein. It's a horizontal one as well, so it looks fucking great. Um awesome, right? Well, that is it. Shall we get on to what we've been playing?

SPEAKER_03 38:34

Yeah, yeah, mate, what's your game? What's your game? Shut up, what's your game? Shut up What's your game? Yeah, mate, what's your game? What's your game? Pussy old dickhead.

SPEAKER_07 38:48

So uh we recently went to Battle in the South, uh slash battle by the way. Um uh Battle in the South was the big tournament organisers all getting together like Voltron to make an event in Portsmouth. Um we did do an audio documentary about that. Unfortunately, we didn't get that much of a chance to record, so I feel like our full thoughts aren't in there. And I did send it to the organiser of the virtual fire tournament, Mr. Morden. Um, and he did say, you know, like I take the criticisms on board, and that's completely fair, right? If you don't know what we're talking about, it's just that it was um quite chaotically run uh because everyone was darting between three different tournaments. And the only other thing was that like the geezer running the Street Fighter 2 Turbo tournament was having issues with his hardware because he had a Mr. FPGA, which I think really as an emulation device is sort of it's a home thing, right? You don't take it out and and like you could just whack it on and play with anyone very easily because every time you unplug a controller and you plug it back in, you have to reset up your controls, right?

SPEAKER_02 39:50

It is the best way to emulate games if you got like CRT, uh CRT and that, you know.

SPEAKER_07 39:56

Yeah, because it it emulates using hardware and you buy different modules for it to do that. And it was it to be fair, playing on that screen with that device and it it was fucking amazing. Yeah, so uh But that we had to be we just had a few problems with the with the the not the way it was run because I I get that everyone was having a nice time. It's just when you're there and sometimes you had to add a long wait between games, it just gets a bit uh it gets a bit dull. But I think what I'd like to do is just reconfirm we had a really good time, right? Yeah, we did. It doesn't matter that we were waiting waiting a bit long. Our overall thoughts when we were coming home were like that was amazing, and getting to play Virtua Fighter with some other really, really good players actually some really good players, I'm not good, um, was really really fun. And also seeing how many people were there at this tiny place in Portsmouth. I know, yeah, yeah. How many people came all the way from Guildford to go there as well, which is pretty funny.

SPEAKER_02 40:46

Yeah, no, nearly all of the people from from uh Battle by the Way. Yeah, Battle by the way, they came, uh which is really cool. Uh because they reason they advertised the month before in Guildford, so it it obviously worked. Um, yeah, but there were like literally a hundred people there. I mean, uh the Tekken tournament was really popping off to be honest.

SPEAKER_07 41:06

It looks hype as fuck, to be fair.

SPEAKER_02 41:08

Yeah, um there was Grand Blue. I mean, Mowgli ran the Grand Blue tournament, which uh ran really well actually.

SPEAKER_07 41:13

I came fifth for once.

SPEAKER_02 41:14

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_07 41:15

And I tell you what, I tell you what, I've been in the lab with that game quite a lot recently, right? And it's I sort of my main game at the moment is Grand Blue Fantasy. And um that tournament, right? I hadn't played in a week, but a week before that I was just hammering it really, really hard. So I came and I turned up, I did well for once. Now, between then, we uh it was a couple of weeks, and now we've just gone to um uh Battle by the Way in Guildford, the tournament there, and I hadn't played Grand Blue at all. And uh it wasn't me being cocky, like, well, I didn't really play before Portsmouth, so I'm not gonna do it again. It wasn't that, it's just that I I was I just decided before because I know we're going to uh VS Fighting this year, the UK's biggest fighting game tournament, right?

SPEAKER_02 41:59

Big time, yeah.

SPEAKER_07 42:00

And I know that that I'm gonna be hammering Grand Blue from now until then. Yes. Really so I was like, I just want a little break and I just decided to play through Final Fantasy VII again, right? And the funny thing is that is that I didn't practice at all, and then when it came to the Guildford tournament, I just I know I could do better if I'd just been more warmed up and practicing consistently, right? And to be fair, I won one game, um, but my other two, I got terrible matchups too, because it was like my first game was against the best guy in there. Yeah, literally. In fact, I just there was n I couldn't do anything, he just juggled me about like a bitch and like knew every single move I was gonna do. And fair play to him. And my second one, like we saw him play our mate Carti like earlier that day, and like this guy was the best sort of uh who is it, Percival?

SPEAKER_02 42:49

Percival player? Yeah, it's Percival, yeah.

SPEAKER_07 42:52

Yeah, best Percival player I've seen.

SPEAKER_02 42:54

But um and then Carti's not a bad player, to be honest.

SPEAKER_07 42:58

No, he's a great player, and then and then of course he got he he got mocked by this guy. This guy was like incredible, and then later on, my third game was like, Oh, you're playing against him. And I was like, I think his name was JP or something like that. But just an unbelievable player.

SPEAKER_02 43:11

Um some of them like you can tell that they've played it since the original Grand Blue Fantasy.

SPEAKER_07 43:16

Oh, 100%. But look, I know I can do better than that, and I did I and it was a shit one for me. But it's it's because I'm practice. All I just wanted to do was turn up and have fun, right?

SPEAKER_02 43:25

Um are we allowed to give our lot of thoughts on Yeah, yeah, definitely.

SPEAKER_07 43:29

Look, I I I think when when I first started coming to battle, by the way, in Guildford, the thing is is what they did is they would have like um all the pools for Tekken, then all the pools for Grand Blue, then all the pools for Guilty Gear, and then the top 12 for Tekken, tech, top 12 for and so on and so on, right?

SPEAKER_02 43:47

Yeah, very well organized.

SPEAKER_07 43:48

So you yeah, you if you you would just turn up when your tournament started. So if Tekken was at one, Grand Blue was at two, you'd just turn up at two, right? Or if you're playing all three, you could just stay all day. Now, what they're doing now is they sort of run. Running all three concurrently, and it I it just for me, like it's not a criticism because uh re we've been very, very, very praising of Mowgli, who who organises the tournament, like how well he runs it and also the equipment he brings, and the fact that he puts the so much effort in. The only thing is that switching to running them all at the same time was just bad for for us because we felt like we were in limbo a lot of the time, right?

SPEAKER_02 44:26

Yeah, we did. I mean, I uh sadly was waiting an hour for my first game.

SPEAKER_07 44:30

Yeah, because because your opponent was playing his Tekken matches. Yeah, yeah. Now I I get that, and it's it's absolutely fine, it happens all the time, but then it was just what I hate about when that that type of thing happens is not knowing you've got time, right? So me, you and Carti were sort of stood around chatting to each other, and if we'd have known we had an hour, like we could have just we we would have just been hammering Street Fighter, Third Strike, or Grand Blue, like we're just hovering that we were just hovering because you don't know how much time you've got. And then at one point during the day, I did genuinely just try to sit down with my mate Josh and just play a game, and then the instantly somebody came along. Sorry, Wis is being used for Tekken now, right? And I'm like, So that's that's the exact scenario I thought was gonna happen, which is why we were sort of waiting around because we thought, well, what if we sit down in any minute? But to be honest, next time let's just do it. I and and Cartier made a good point, said he might bring his laptop and I might do the same. And then just between games, we'll just we'll have our controllers set up and we just go down and play it. It takes a second to set up your controller and we can just we'll we'll just play. Even if it means we have a few frustrating frustrating points where we sit down and immediately get called, who gives a shit? Yeah, um, but I think listen, Mowgli, if you're listening, just go back to doing it with the with the staggered games. It was way better like that.

SPEAKER_02 45:47

I think also they uh may have to trim down the games and switch around games sometimes because they had I think they had a couple too many games to be honest. Well, this time it was uh So they're Blaze Blaze Blue Tag, uh Tekken 8, Grand Blue, Street Fighter 6, Melty Blood, and Third Strike, right?

SPEAKER_07 46:07

And now he's got a lot of setups, but not quite enough to handle that particular load. I think I think just have it as the three main games and one guest every time. Unless it's like he wants to expand, then like Yeah, but then he he said last time that that but he introduced more games and more people came. So yeah, fair enough. We just need to figure out a better way of doing it because with them running at the same time, I think just have two different ones running so at the same time. So, like before where they're all staggered, you have Gilgear and Street Fighter going on at the same time. Then it moves on to the next two pools, and so on and so on. It was a good system, but having like uh 20 setups spread between six different fucking fighting games was just a bit much, and it meant that people were waiting around. And as much as I I enjoy hanging out with you guys, it's like I I want to be playing the games.

SPEAKER_02 46:54

Yeah, yeah, me too. I mean, um that was sort of my takeaway from the day, to be honest. Like um that it was fun to hang out with you and Carti, so you know Yeah, yeah, but it would have just been nice.

SPEAKER_07 47:05

Uh and look, here's the thing as well my mate, uh my mate's Josh Callum came down to just hang out, and uh we we sort of because of our poor performances in Grand Lou, we was we were like, well, we got an hour until the third strike tournament. There was a guy who'd sort of come along to run a little guest tournament of third strike in the background, right? And we went, Fucking hell, we got an hour and a half. So we went ahead and had a pint and played some darts in the pub, right? Yeah, and then we come back at four o'clock when third strike's starting, we sit down, we're gonna practice until he's until things are ready, and the organizer comes over. Uh, sorry guys, the third strike's uh not running today.

SPEAKER_02 47:38

So we waited about an hour and a half because you said all the other games were behind schedule.

SPEAKER_07 47:44

Um yeah, which is like I don't know, it was just a bit gutting because I was well looking forward to playing that.

SPEAKER_02 47:48

Yeah, me too, me too.

SPEAKER_07 47:50

And um yeah, but the fact that the schedules were behind and they had to cancel a tournament on the on the day demonstrates that that the format with more people coming in, more different games just needs to be tweaked a little bit. I did have fun, obviously, as I always do. It was it was good. But just to avoid the waiting around, we need to just I I think they just need to trim the games a bit and tweak the format a little bit.

SPEAKER_02 48:12

Yeah, either that or get more systems, like a couple more little mini PCs or something, but yeah, something like that.

SPEAKER_07 48:18

Um right, well that's it for Battle in the South and Battle by the Way. Shall we talk about Virtual Fighter?

SPEAKER_02 48:26

Yeah, yeah, definitely, man. Let's go.

SPEAKER_07 48:36

Now look, we spoke about this last episode and talked about Virtual Fighter being a very pure fighter game experience. It's it no it isn't. Right, and it is um it is a Virtua game, which is Sega's um sort of simulation-inspired arcade games, right? That are usually sports games, where it whether it be motorsport, tennis, um football. Um and in this case, Virtual Fighter is a martial arts one, right? So it's it's a little bit dry, but um what it promises is it's a 3D fighter that is more pure than Soul Caliber, more pure pure than Tekken, bloody raw uh BARP. Um and the thing is, is that yeah, that's what I sort of thought it was, right? It still is that it isn't. And so so there's no there's no the thing about it, shut up a minute, is that there's no flashy bullshit, there's none of this like um stupid heat moves, rage arts, there's no meter, there's none of this bullshit, right? It's sick, perfect, right? So so the point is is all you're doing, right, is trying to bait our attacks, hit the man quicker than they hit you, right? And the and that that that's a good game. If it if that was it, that's a good game, right? It's just about hitting the other opponent and outsmarting them, trying to get under their blocks or or dodge out of the way of moves, then countering, right? If that was the game, and that's what I thought it was, but all that happened was is the virtual fighter organiser, this guy, Mr. Morden, right? He's got he's got a lot of passion for the game, and he said to me after we played at Battle in the South, he said, anytime you want to play some games, I want it most nights, hit me up. I hit him up, I played with him for a bit, and uh as I was playing sort of I I play intuitively, I don't tend to look into the little systems, right? But of course, Virtual Fighter doesn't have that many systems. No, it's just a very honest, pure game about punching the man before he punches you. Um but but you got the boxing and no, no, no, we're gonna get into that, Sean. But Mr. Morning, he says to me at certain point, he goes, if you hit somebody and they block here, always sidestep because the game will prioritize their next hit over yours. Uh, even if you do a faster move, as long as they're doing a move when they come out of block, it will hit you. Even if it doesn't make sense, you could do an eight-frame move as long as it's starting up on the on the frame where they're attacking and they've just hit you on block, you could do an eight-frame move, and if they did a theoretically one-frame move, you would hit because they tried to hit you on block, right? And I thought, that's fucking weird.

SPEAKER_02 51:08

Um yeah, I picked up on that. I mean, uh, like uh through playing, I've sort of picked up on it, but yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_07 51:15

Yeah, so then like that's a big part of the game. I was sort of like, well, that's weird because that's a big part of the game that is now not quite as pure as I thought it was and relies on, I'm just gonna say it, bullshit, right? Right. And then and then and so I what I did is I looked into I look I'm sorry, man. I don't want to tear this game apart, but this is what happened was is that I really like the game, I like the purity of it, and I decided to take it seriously, and I realize that most of the game is mired in bullshit. In fact, like Sean just mentioned the boxing, right? Every single character in the game, there's three universal moves, right?

SPEAKER_02 51:51

Oh yeah, and you carry on. The three universal moves are um there's a sorry, I just had to turn a light on.

SPEAKER_07 51:58

Um there's a low punch, which is every character's best move in the game, and they they're all exactly the same, right?

SPEAKER_02 52:04

Yeah, they are, yeah. They look the same.

SPEAKER_07 52:06

Then there's a forward punch that doesn't always look the same, but it is the same for every character.

SPEAKER_02 52:09

Yeah, it is.

SPEAKER_07 52:10

And then there's the standing punch. So those three moves are like the essential moves, right? You if they're if they're blocking standing, you do the low punch. If they if you um I forget the reason that you use the the elbow, but I think it's like if they're uh blocking standing, that's it, it knocks them out of the block.

SPEAKER_02 52:29

Yeah, it does, it knocks them backwards.

SPEAKER_07 52:31

And then but but if neither of those two um uh events are happening at the time, you always use the standing punch. That's the ideal move because if you connect with a standing punch, it means that your um next move will have frame advantage, doesn't matter what it is, but you get a frame advantage by- That's how you combo, basically. Exactly. So it becomes about doing low punches, the forward elbow, um you know, to then try and open up an opportunity to do the standing punch so you can get a combo. What this means is the game is more or less entirely focused around those three moves, which in the community is actually called boxing. They call it the boxing element of the game, meaning that that that's what neutral is, it's boxing.

SPEAKER_02 53:14

Yeah, have you not been playing like that before then? Like a bit, a bit, but you probably realise that you do it more than you thought.

SPEAKER_07 53:21

Yeah, exactly. But what I was trying to do was use moves I knew were faster than the one they were doing to try and counter them.

SPEAKER_09 53:27

Yeah.

SPEAKER_07 53:27

Not knowing that there's so much bullshit. Now, what that means is almost every other move a character has are situationally specific command moves made for combos. You're not supposed to use them in normal situations. There's a few, like um Sarah's forward-forward kick, for example, which you can use to get distance, right? There's a couple like that, but most of them are so uh slower than the three boxing moves, the three universal boxing moves, that you shouldn't really be doing them outside of when you manage to hit a standing punch. No, when you get then you get full access to a combo.

SPEAKER_02 54:04

Yeah, when you get tired level, that's how that's how it goes, really. So like ranked where it's like yeah, it's a lot of boxing to be honest.

SPEAKER_07 54:13

But I noticed that that there were certain there were certain situations. I was going mentor, wasn't I? Like we we had it we had a game of virtual fight the other day, like a session on it. We only played for an hour, where we we usually we play for like two, two and a half hours, and at the end of the hour, um it sort of ended. I was uh there was Sean was like hitting me. I was actually blocking, and and yet the moves were hitting, right? And we'll get into that in a second. That's a nerd, but no, no, they were, they actually were, right? I was blocking and the moves were hitting, and I went, I was fucking blocking like this. I all F forward out of the game. I all F forward out of the game, and then Sean and I were just like, just I was just like, you want to play again soon? And both of us run, yeah, yeah, all right, see you later. Logged off the game. I get into looking into the mechanics. Do you know why you hit on block? It's because the the game is very simple, right? If you hit high or me, if you if you hit high or medium and you're standing up and you're blocking, you're not hitting, because you're blocking. But then you've got EX high, medium, and low, which are they look like high, medium, low, but they behave completely differently. So a medium, um a mid-attack will usually not hit on when somebody is duck blocking, but an EX move will. An EX mid will hit you when you're ducking.

SPEAKER_02 55:27

Yeah, you just gotta learn all the characters EX moves.

SPEAKER_07 55:30

And the thing is, what differentiates an EX move from another one? It's not the way it looks, because they look like normal mid-attacks, right? It's just the properties of how they act in game, and there's no rhyme or reason to it. The only ones that are EX moves that can get through guard or can uh hit as an overhead even when they're fucking not, uh it's just the ones the developers have picked. There's no rhyme or they don't look more powerful, they don't look weaker, they don't look different, they're just the ones you develop.

SPEAKER_02 55:56

No, they pick the right ones, don't they?

SPEAKER_07 55:59

Um yeah, I don't know about that because that mid-move that your character Shun does, where he sort of he's got his hands sort of bent over like uh at a 90-degree angle, and he just sort of hits forward like that. You know that one.

SPEAKER_02 56:12

Yeah, well, where he does an elbow move.

SPEAKER_07 56:14

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 56:15

That's that's a good one. I use that. Yes, but that's bread and butter.

SPEAKER_07 56:19

Thing about that is you could be blocking high and it and it will hit like it's a low, because it's any eggs. It doesn't look any different, it just looks like a high move, but for some because the developers decided it's a fucking low move.

SPEAKER_02 56:31

It is important to sort of have like six drinks for that reason to get that move, huh?

SPEAKER_07 56:36

Yeah. Uh you have to drink as that character in the game. That and also the other thing is every single move in the game behaves differently if it's a counter. If you do it while uh while an enemy is winding up an attack, every single move behaves differently. Now, some become launchers, some become sweeps, some become overheads. And again, like most of them when you look at them will make sense for that. Some of them fucking don't, though. Some of them are just fucking mental. Like there was a move with Sarah that is like that the the mid-attack for getting them out of guarding, it just looks like a punch. It becomes a launcher for no fucking reason if you do it as a counter. And even I know, I'm playing that character, I know it's bullshit, I'm using it because I need to get the bullshit. You just don't bullshitting each other here. And the thing is the game is so like I thought it was just a simple game about trying to do attacks quicker than your opponent, tucking in attacks, like weaving, ducking, dodging, but it's not, it's a it's it's like there's systems upon systems. Each character has like a hundred moves, right? You've got to memorise which ones are EX and which aren't, and there's no fucking rhyme or reason to, it's just the one they're pegged. You've got to memorise um the two like another hundred times the moves when you do them on a counter. It's it's a it's nonsense.

SPEAKER_02 57:51

It's a stupid game. Why would people be so passionate about it? Why would mean it's a good one? Yeah, but put it this way to modern like that.

SPEAKER_07 57:57

Listen, I tell you why. I tell you why, because people the there there's uh a flavour of fighting game for absolutely everyone out there, and some people probably like the technical aspect of having to dig into 200 fucking moves. You look at a Tekken move, and that's and like Tekken's shit, right? But like now, but when if a if if your car if you see a character on the ground sweeping their leg around, it's probably gonna be a fucking sweep in Virtufier. You who knows? It might be a fucking overhead for all I fucking know.

SPEAKER_02 58:25

And like Well sweep's universal in Virtufier though, I know. But I see I'm not snuffed.

SPEAKER_06 58:30

It isn't because Eileen is the one character whose sweep doesn't work like anyone else's. The game is fucking stupid.

SPEAKER_02 58:37

I don't know, like I mean, yeah, I suppose.

SPEAKER_07 58:40

And like, look, I think there is for some people that that whole technical aspect of each move behaving differently, let's not even talk about memorising what moves the other character is doing. But my point is that is that there are people out there who like the game, probably for that reason, because if you're playing it now, you will probably know about all those background bullshit systems that are going on, and if you like them and think it makes for a fun game of guessing uh from six hundred thousand moves, then that's up to you. However, my point is that that it's not for me, and you say why are people so passionate about it? It's because they fucking love it, right? But how many people fucking love it?

SPEAKER_02 59:19

Uh like a few people. I mean, like there was that guy who flew from Germany like last year, and it's yeah, and of course, uh famously Tonchan flew all the way from Japan.

SPEAKER_07 59:29

How much money did he win? How much money did he win for winning the uh one of the regional tournaments that got him into worlds? How much money?

SPEAKER_02 59:37

Well, 2G, yeah.

SPEAKER_07 59:39

One.

SPEAKER_02 59:39

One grand.

SPEAKER_07 59:40

It was a one grand. That didn't even pay for its fucking holiday. I get the.

SPEAKER_02 59:44

Yeah, but he got into SWC though, look.

SPEAKER_07 59:47

Well, not SWC, because it's not an SNK game. But the World Cup.

SPEAKER_02 59:51

Oh, right, yeah. Yeah, yeah. But he okay, I forgot they had that acronym as well.

SPEAKER_07 59:56

Yeah, that needs to be sorted out.

SPEAKER_02 59:57

Yeah.

SPEAKER_07 59:58

Anyway, look, my point is that I I'm just saying, for those reasons, it is absolutely not the fucking game I thought it was. And that that was a disappointing revelation.

SPEAKER_02 1:00:08

Well, because you've played it since I mean we've played it since Virtual Fire 1.

SPEAKER_07 1:00:11

But you know what it is, I wonder how many of those systems were present in the early ones. I know that EX moves were in three, I know that because I remember seeing them in training mode, but I didn't know what the fuck that meant. I just and and look, uh, when you're playing the game intuitively and with your mates where you're not worrying about the bullshit, that it's some of the most fun I've ever had. That's what I enjoyed about the game back in the day, is playing it in the arcades, not knowing about any of the bullshit and just throwing out moves and trying to beat people. Once you try to take the game seriously and get to a good level, you start noticing that shit. And it was when I was playing against you and I was doing moves I knew were quicker, I was blocking the right height for the move, and it would hit as a low even though it looked like a mid and all shit. And I was like, this is weird. And then when Mr. Morden said that to me, I was like, I think I hate this game.

SPEAKER_02 1:00:57

To be honest, I think I've got a good chance in this in this toilie, to be fair. Yeah, maybe I probably won't.

SPEAKER_07 1:01:02

I'll probably here's the thing: you've memorized Shun's uh moves, right? Yeah, you've you've you probably even memorise a lot of the ones that do encounter. You somehow intuitively sort of uh are using the EX attacks. That's all good, that's all well and good, right? Do you think you could memorise um like all the other 12 to 18 characters?

SPEAKER_02 1:01:23

Not really. I'm just gonna memorise. I mean, actually, to be fair, some of them I have, but you know, it's probably like Yeah, you might yeah, you might well do. I mean, if someone brings out someone that's not really used that much.

SPEAKER_07 1:01:34

If somebody, you say, for example, brings out uh I don't know, Eileen and does some of her more kookly moves. Some of the EX moves that don't look like what they are.

SPEAKER_02 1:01:44

She can do like she's pretty capable of doing some tech and e shy, to be fair.

SPEAKER_07 1:01:48

Yeah, somebody brings out Eileen and they're using a lot of the EX moves that you've never seen before. You're fucked.

SPEAKER_02 1:01:53

You you are fucked, yeah.

SPEAKER_07 1:01:54

It's it's a game about game knowledge, it's not a game about strategy.

SPEAKER_02 1:01:57

I thought one of the world's best Eileen players, and I just you know it was not good.

SPEAKER_07 1:02:02

I don't know. I I just No, maybe not, maybe not. It's just not it's just not a skip game, though. It's alright, I don't care if you like it, but my point is it's it's not a popular game, not that that's a measure of a good game, it never is, but in this particular case, it's a passionate group of people that are into a very, very, very technical fighting game that has a lot of bullshit subsystems that you need to memorize. And that's fine if they like that. But my point is I hate that. I like I like purity, I like this I like strategy, and I like being able to um get good at a game in a meaningful manner.

SPEAKER_02 1:02:37

I love the uh I like the fact that it's martial arts, like just like you know, but yeah, so do I.

SPEAKER_07 1:02:43

I just wish it was actually that. Instead of always doing that same fucking low punch. And put it this way, Sean, like like you you've now got to a point where you're very good at the game, right? And I believe uh because I was trying I was tr uh desperately trying to like the game because we've entered into it uh in Birmingham this year. Um and I've just been hammering it over the last few weeks, like trying to get better, trying to understand that bullshit. And um I've never ever played like when I got decent at Fatal Fury, right? Um I I was like playing that, and there was a point that came where I knew I needed to get better, and what that meant was getting more onto the technical side of which moves can I link together, um mastering movement a bit better, mastering my knowledge of the strategies that other players and characters are going to use.

SPEAKER_02 1:03:31

And then if you ever should fire though.

SPEAKER_07 1:03:34

Have you ever played a game where you go, right? I need to learn, I need to learn, like, go like level up my knowledge a bit, get better at the game, right? Time to learn about the fucking priority system when blocking, right? Time to look into which moves are EX moves randomly, like all I was looking into it and I saw an hour-long video explaining the mechanics of the game, and I was like, no, can't deal with this. That is nonsense. That is absolute rubbish. And people are saying like it's a bullshit free Tekken. It's more bullshit than Tekken. I'm gonna be honest with you. It's just okay, it doesn't have rage arts, it doesn't have supers, but it's more bullshit.

SPEAKER_02 1:04:07

Uh would someone know if a move hits more bullshit than Tekken.

SPEAKER_07 1:04:10

If a move hits you in the body if a move hits you in the upper body and you are blocking your upper body, that should always block the fucking thing.

SPEAKER_02 1:04:20

I don't know, in real life, if you kicked hard enough or punched hard enough, that's it.

SPEAKER_07 1:04:24

Yeah, exactly. I agree. However, the EX moves are not always the hardest slow wind-up moves. Sometimes they can be three frames.

SPEAKER_02 1:04:32

I suppose there's no right more reason.

SPEAKER_07 1:04:35

Yeah, exactly. Jeffrey's taunt is an EX move. All he does is go come here or something like this. And he is him waving at you to cut like to get over here. That can slap you out of a block. He's just waving at you. It's a taunt. The game is fucking stupid. And that is that is way more bullshit to me than anything else. I would get it if EX moves had special properties because they looked like the character was doing a hard move or had a big wind up. And some of them are that, but most of them aren't.

SPEAKER_02 1:05:03

Yeah, but I think uh it's better than Tekken where you're like I don't think it is. Where you're just like quickly mashing stuff to like break the defence or whatever. I think it's better than that.

SPEAKER_07 1:05:12

No. Um it isn't. No, it isn't because you're you're you are winning for bullshit reasons. Tekken 8 is a shit game. Were you just mashing to get around the defence in Tekken 7?

SPEAKER_02 1:05:22

Uh no, not at all. Not at all. It's fine.

SPEAKER_07 1:05:25

I think it's a better 3D fighter. I would like a pure martial arts fighter. Virtual Fire, unfortunately, is not that. I've realised that.

SPEAKER_02 1:05:32

If anyone could like chime in, that'd be good.

SPEAKER_07 1:05:37

What about what though?

SPEAKER_02 1:05:38

Well, you think they're gonna come in thoughts, just people's thoughts.

SPEAKER_07 1:05:41

I I would I would actually if if any of the virtual fighter lot are listening, I would actually like to hear your thoughts on it because try and defend that shit and and and and we'll we'll have a little debate about it, okay? Because I think it's indefensible. If you if your excuse is well, I like it, that's fine. That's fine. It's just that I think for my taste, it's Shit. It's actually good to watch as well. It is. Top level play is very entertaining. But to learn and play is just it's about learning subsystems. I like to learn how character plays. I like to sit down and play the game. Yeah, I don't like to read fucking Excel spreadsheets, so fuck that game. Fuck Virtual Fire. But uh Sean, I'm glad you like it, mate. Cheers. Obviously, we've been playing Grand Blue Fantasy versus Rising, but uh we don't really need to talk about that read much because we only played the two tournaments recently, didn't we?

SPEAKER_02 1:06:28

Yeah, we did. Uh just um yeah, just to sort of say uh I'm learning for Susia.

SPEAKER_07 1:06:35

Uh yes, mate, I'm I'm not happy about that. Sean's picked up a new character. He's picked the final boss in the game. Bit of a cheap move, in my opinion.

SPEAKER_02 1:06:43

Um no, I don't think so. I mean, uh, she probably powered down from a like version in the arcade.

SPEAKER_07 1:06:49

I don't know, mate, because you've been slapping me about, so that's gotta that's gotta count for something. Because usually I slap you about.

SPEAKER_02 1:06:54

Yeah, but like that's because you picked the best character in the game, but no, you're not let's move on.

SPEAKER_07 1:07:00

We don't need to.

SPEAKER_02 1:07:00

No, you're good. But um No, no, actually, but no, no, hold on.

SPEAKER_07 1:07:04

I'm glad that I'm finally started winning. Cagliostro is not the she's not like a flawless, amazing character.

SPEAKER_02 1:07:11

Um that is all. Well, floors. Um she's quite small, she's quick.

SPEAKER_07 1:07:17

Um yeah, she can do rushdown traps, yeah, they're very good damage, teleports.

SPEAKER_02 1:07:24

Um She's got floor traps as well, like and ceiling traps. Yeah, ceiling traps now.

SPEAKER_07 1:07:30

Floor to ceiling, mate. They go all the way. Um yeah, no, no, she's flawed. Um What's her floor then, though? The range on her normals is average.

SPEAKER_02 1:07:41

I mean it's not bad, but it's not bad, but it's actually some of them are stupidly long as well, aren't they?

SPEAKER_07 1:07:46

That spike move.

SPEAKER_02 1:07:48

Yeah, like yeah, like at the that spike move is like a part of her actual anatomy. Like that's that you know it's mental.

SPEAKER_07 1:07:55

It's mental, and it's one of the main strats. When Sean tried out my character, there's this spike move that you can really use. It does three hits and you can keep uh a lot of pressure on people by throwing it out. It's got it's like a special move. It's got a lot of yeah. Sean played Cagliar Estro for one round, and you were that's not even a special move. What the fuck? It's such a good uh she's a great character.

SPEAKER_02 1:08:16

Yeah, I I I her auntie is. I I I came up with a theory that she wasn't really meant to be in that game. Like she was a character from another game that they ported into Grand Blue.

SPEAKER_05 1:08:27

It does feel a little bit like that, but I'm fairly certain she was in the original Grand Blue mobile game.

SPEAKER_02 1:08:32

But there are a lot of there are I mean not a lot, but there are a few characters that can stand up to her, and I think um Vasusia's one of them. Vasusia is one of them. So she's a I don't know how to put it, but like she she is basically Dormami from uh Mul vs Capcom 3.

SPEAKER_07 1:08:49

Yeah, and she sort of looks like an Esper.

SPEAKER_02 1:08:52

Yeah, she does. But um Um so she's got like pillars that she can raise up.

SPEAKER_07 1:08:56

Yeah, see what you've done as well, like Vesuzia is sort of like another character that that does a little bit of everything, right? Yeah, yeah. Like just a god tier character.

SPEAKER_02 1:09:04

And she yeah, she her unique is that um um she gets extra bits on her special moves. Like so she can power up her special moves, um, and uh like so when she does her like ball like projectile, she can then like when it hits them, she can then like teleport and jump here, jump in on it.

SPEAKER_07 1:09:22

Yeah, that's fucking leary. No, but I I do you know what? I tell you what, I was joking the other day when I was saying that I wished you'd just stuck with a different character, but I think you're really good with her, and it was a lot of fun fighting her. But there was that point she almost said I like I hadn't played in a fucking week, and I was doing badly anyway. And then me and Sean were playing some casuals, and there was a point where she does this little pillar move that's sort of like a laser that rises out of the floor, but the stronger like EX version of it, where it's like this huge wall of flame that engulfs you, and there was a point where Oh, that's her super. Oh, is that what it is? Yeah, yeah. But I was really, really stressed out, and I was trying I was like sweating, trying as hard as I could against Sean. You're like even if you block it, it's really handy just to hold you there and yeah, yeah, I noticed that because you were doing that, I'll block, meaning I can't move, and then you're swooping in while that's uh like decimate me. There's a point where that move was going on, and for some reason the sound on the TV that we were using was really loud as well, and it's going and I was going to this as it was happening. It's so funny, man. I look I I I think that that it's a good character, I think you found your niche.

SPEAKER_02 1:10:24

Yeah, you created a monster though, because you were the one that recommended it.

SPEAKER_07 1:10:28

I knew you'd like her though. I said I was saying to Carti the other day, it's like you like um weird and out there characters and tend to do well with them. Yeah, and and I think she's one like Kegliostro is one of one of the few characters in the cast that doesn't play like any of the rest of them. And Vasusia is probably the other one.

SPEAKER_02 1:10:46

Well, they like the thing the good thing about Grand Blue is like you can get a different, completely different experience by playing the different characters in the game. But there are some that are like oddballs, even still, you know, like Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_07 1:10:59

I mean, because it's a w mostly a weapon-based fighter. Yeah, it is, yeah. But like fucking um got a few to punch, so but yeah, yeah, and a grappler. But but the thing is is like the so most of them like are sort of um sword fighters or weapon-based fighters, and it's like they they sort of have like an internal logic to them, right? Where they're quite grounded despite it being an anime fighter. Yeah. I don't I don't know about grounded, but you know what I mean?

SPEAKER_02 1:11:24

It's like Yeah, like Vane, he's got big axe. You can sort of expect how he would play based on that.

SPEAKER_07 1:11:31

Yeah, yeah, good point. And like Zaeta with her spear does a lot of like uh long-range attacks and jumping and all that stuff, the jumping move.

SPEAKER_02 1:11:38

Yeah, like the jumpy, pokey, like she has one where she'll jump and bounce using spear. Like that's quite a typical fighting game move.

SPEAKER_07 1:11:45

Dragoon type shit.

SPEAKER_02 1:11:46

Yeah, dragoon.

SPEAKER_07 1:11:47

But then you have like but then you there's a couple of characters that don't quite fit the bill. And Cagliostro, who I play, is an alchemist, so all of her moves are about summoning weird shit to hurt your opponents, like a saw, some spikes, uh uh boulder, things like this. Did you notice though when at the last tournament I was trying to do those sandwich combos with the fucking thing? Yeah, I haven't quite figured it out yet, but I I 100% were.

SPEAKER_02 1:12:08

That's where you did, like that's where like you were like most successful, to be honest.

SPEAKER_07 1:12:12

To be honest, though, I was just a bit gutted. I I really wish I had a practiced because I did so well at the last one. I came fifth, and then this one just fucked it, but it's fine. And I'm gonna go back in the lab right away, and uh I might switch. No, I'm not switching, I'm sticking with kegs. No, you should stick with uh because it was just like there was got a point at the last tournament where Carti was sort of like, um, have you considered switch now? Don't read into this, but have you considered switching? Uh and it was like, no, it was just a bad day for me. And the thing is, I think I did really do really well. You saw some of my games at Portsmouth, right?

SPEAKER_02 1:12:42

And it and I was yeah, I think um That was when I was in my element. Yeah, you smashed it at Portsmouth, so yeah, carry on being there, or maybe switch to Vassaraga or something, I don't know.

SPEAKER_07 1:12:52

I'm not switching to Vassaraga, but no, I I I'll I'll stick with um I'll stick with her. I just it's just it was a bad day for me, and I I know I can do better, but you know when you haven't practiced in a while and you're you tend to for some reason go into a bit of a flow charty state. Yeah, and that's where I was at that day, and it was kind of annoying because I I know I play bad when I'm flowcharty, but I know that I do it sometimes.

SPEAKER_02 1:13:12

I was sort of sort of similar at uh Portsmouth just because I was sort of focused on uh winning Super Turbo and that, you know.

SPEAKER_07 1:13:19

Oh yeah, yeah, we didn't mention you came third, didn't you?

SPEAKER_02 1:13:21

Yeah, yeah, third place.

SPEAKER_07 1:13:22

Sean came third, you got a little plaque, didn't you? And a box of celebrations. Yeah, I did. Well done. Yeah, quite proud of that. Yeah, yeah. Carti bought you a gift to congratulate you, didn't you?

SPEAKER_02 1:13:29

He did, yeah, yeah. He bought me a uh Street Fighter 2 comic. Oh yeah. One that I actually used to own as a kid. So world gifts. Uh thanks for that, Carcy. But then of course uh mum gave a lot of our stuff to our cousins. Yeah, I mean how many how many uh movie mews and shiny Charizards did you have? Um wait, I mean my my theory is I mean I've seen I saw those. No, I think I No, I mean No, go on.

SPEAKER_05 1:13:53

No, um they're definitely not gonna listen to this podcast. What's that? They're definitely not gonna listen to this podcast. Go on. No, no, no. What's the theory?

SPEAKER_02 1:14:00

No, my I mean, because I do remember seeing those uh um more recently. And um I I believe that my ex-girlfriend took them. Took what? My Pokemon cards.

SPEAKER_07 1:14:12

Well, you didn't have your Pokemon cards.

SPEAKER_02 1:14:14

I did, because I had three Charizards, I remember pulling them. Oh mate.

SPEAKER_07 1:14:17

She's probably bought a house by now.

SPEAKER_02 1:14:19

Yeah, yeah, she did. Like last time I went past her house to go to a tournament, she wasn't in it.

SPEAKER_07 1:14:24

So I'm thinking She sold the Charizards, mate. Yeah, she did, yeah. Oh yeah. That's right.

SPEAKER_02 1:14:29

I remember like looking through the book and thinking, oh, I've got three Charizards, I've got the full team rocket set, you know.

SPEAKER_07 1:14:35

Oh, because that was just before it popped off as well. Yeah, it was, yeah. Mate, you could have been so rich right now.

SPEAKER_02 1:14:40

Yeah, I could be.

SPEAKER_07 1:14:40

Also in good condition. Never mind. But um, but yeah, you got an but now you got a new Street Fighter 2 3 comic 2 comic to replace the old one.

SPEAKER_02 1:14:48

I mean, yeah, exactly. I mean, I had all the uh Udon comics back in the day, so that was, you know, like it was pretty it was a really nice you know thing to think, you know, so appreciate that.

SPEAKER_07 1:14:59

Cool. Um right, I've been playing Final Fantasy VII, keeping it current. Um yeah, I mean, you know what Final Fantasy is, it's your boy, it's Final Fantasy VII. Mega Faggot! Um and uh I've been playing it with the Seventh Heaven mod manager, specifically because I wanted to use the Shinra Archaeology Cut, which is um a retranslation of the entire game, and uh it's it's a thousand times better than the original, which as we all know was just uh translated uh via a spreadsheet and all the lines were out of order when the guy translated it, right?

SPEAKER_09 1:15:50

Yeah.

SPEAKER_07 1:15:50

So it's way better than that. It in it also includes uh reintroduces some cut content back into the game, for example, uh uh a facial like uh thing that was originally planned for the game but didn't make it in, where the characters have better facial expressions, and also some cut scenes and things like this. And uh it also updates all the names of the materia and abilities to be congruent with the rest of the series, are also closer to their Yeah, because they they did that save space, like fire one, two, and three, didn't they?

SPEAKER_02 1:16:20

Yeah, exactly.

SPEAKER_07 1:16:21

So now it's going back to fire, fire arca, and but also like there were some instances I'm not gonna be able to remember any of them now of like moves that were changed. Oh, uh to be cong like so that they were like the Japanese counterparts, they translated them better. So two times cut was just it was just a made-up, stupid thing, right? Yeah, it was actually called blitz and fury not fury, it was like blitz and something else, right? So now two times cut is called blitz. I think I think it was comes from that sort of era where um Japanese people thought the West was like all stupid, and also the translators, it was just one guy working his ass off for for a month, right? Um and uh yeah, so there's little things like that. That was the main reason I played it uh on uh PC using the mod manager, so it's just you just download this thing called Seventh Heaven Mod Manager, install the game, and then you can just it you browse mods on there, you can load them up, and it makes it super easy. Other things included like uh 60fps gameplay, and of course, because the game looks fucking shit on modern TVs, there's like uh AA upscaling done to the backgrounds, but the good thing about it is that they've gone in and tweaked the bits where the AI is fucked up, like somebody's gone through and hand-drawn parts of it.

SPEAKER_02 1:17:33

Yeah, that's good. That's good.

SPEAKER_07 1:17:34

Um the other thing is the Nino style mod, which is a collection of mods, but essentially the artwork uh of how the characters look in their concept art in the guidebook, it makes all the characters look like that in-game, albeit still with a PS1 blocky look.

SPEAKER_02 1:17:49

Yeah, that's good though. I like that.

SPEAKER_07 1:17:50

It's more like the original vision of the game. Yeah, and it doesn't now Cloud doesn't look like he's got toasters for hands, so that's pretty cool.

SPEAKER_02 1:17:57

Well that yeah, I mean, that was one of the worst elements of the original.

SPEAKER_07 1:18:00

So that said, if you want to play this game uh again and you fancy going through another playthrough, don't play the PC version. There is a patch for the PS1 version uh for the Shinra archaeology cut, the new translation. Get that, play it on a PS1. I had a fucking terrible time. I I I should say I really, really enjoyed playing this playthrough, and it was this was gonna be probably my last ever one. And I thought, I'm gonna do everything. I'll get everyone's final limit break, I'll get everyone's final weapon, defeated all the weapons, I did the gold choker bow, all of that, got knights of the round. Absolutely loved it. But yeah, I did that as well, and I I thought about it when you sort of brought this up, and I was like, Well, maybe not, maybe not, because I you know I have done all that stuff I I would say yeah, if you want to like the graphical stuff was really, really good, and I spent a lot of time thinking, oh shit, like basically the game kept crashing all the time, constantly. And a lot of people say they're blaming this mod, they're blaming that mod. And what I did is like I I went through through a phase of like I uninstalled the entire game, reinstalled it, and then would go through each mod individually, right? And I had about 30 at this point to make it really, really cool. Not changing anything integral about the game, just making it a bit uh nicer, basically. Anyway, I went through each mod one by one, load up the game, crashes, load up the game, crashes, load up the game, crashes, and then at some point I went, right, fuck it, fuck the mods. I'm just gonna play it without because I believe those were making it crash. Load up Final Fantasy VII on fucking Steam, play it, right? Completely fresh install, crashes again. I ported my save and Final Fantasy VII over to my laptop, crashes again. It's Square Enix's shitty fucking port. You last played uh the port for the Switch. Yeah, yeah, yeah. No crashes.

SPEAKER_02 1:19:46

No crashes. Because that was handled by a different company. Yeah, it was, yeah.

SPEAKER_07 1:19:49

Very odd product that was like, had different features, didn't it? Like you could turn on max damage if you just wanted to see the story and all this bullshit. Yeah, you can do that with the shit uh with the Seventh Heaven mod as well. That's cool, that's good. Which is handy actually for a lot of a lot of reasons, especially the Chocobo race uh races, I should say.

SPEAKER_06 1:20:08

Yeah, definitely.

SPEAKER_07 1:20:09

But the thing is, is the like their shitty fucking crap fucking PC port meant the game kept crashing over and over and over again, right? And I went through all of that bullshit turning off every mod. In the end, I just went, fuck it, I'll turn on all the mods and I'll just like I was so far in, I was about 50 hours in, and I was like, I'm just gonna play with the mods because it looks amazing, plays amazing, I can play it on widescreen, all of this bullshit, and with the new translation, but what I'm I'm just gonna have to grin and bear it with the crashing, save as often as I can. I was rushing through areas because just trying to beat the the crash. I could leave the game idle, do nothing, just leave it on a menu, and it would crash. Yeah, fucking bullshit. And I got to the final fucking boss. You know when you fight Bizarro Sephiroth, and like I would fight him, and every time I fought him, the game would crash after I beat him. And bear in mind you have to go all the way through the fucking northern crater to do that. And like I was I was do did that multiple fucking times, and then I was like, fuck it, I'm gonna use the save crystal, saved outside of him. I must have done it 25 times in the course of a day, and and I and eventually it just worked for no reason, and uh managed to get through it. But my whole thing is like I thoroughly, thoroughly enjoyed playing the game again, but I wish I'd have just played the PS1 version, and uh the mods are amazing. If you can get it to work on your computer without crashing, that's all well and good. But I'll warn you the crashes only start once you're nearing like the midpoint of disc two, right? So if you're playing it, you're thinking, well, it's fine for me, it might not be. So play the PS1 version for the love of fucking god. Um, but yeah, that's it, that's the Seventh Heaven mod manager. I'd recommend recommend it, but as long as you want to put up with a lot of crashes. Um, the only other thing I've been playing is Pokemon Y.

SPEAKER_02 1:22:03

Um that was a good game to be fair. Like um wait a minute.

SPEAKER_07 1:22:08

Um Pokemon Y was the one that was set in a Paris-like thing.

SPEAKER_02 1:22:11

That was the last one where it was like properly decent, like all the way. And Sun and Moon was good, but it was like that was the decline, really.

SPEAKER_07 1:22:21

I think that generation, because it included Alpha Sapphire, they've got to be the best ones. Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 1:22:26

That I I said this to the pub the other day.

SPEAKER_07 1:22:28

I told Carti about this, and I said Pokemon Y is absolutely my favourite, and he's like, I've never heard anyone say I don't know what's wrong with that. I love it. I I I look, I like the the story's always a bit thin in Pokemon games, with the exception of a couple, right? But I feel like the story's thin. This this one it gets straight the fuck into the game, and all I want to do is just go around catching Pokemon, fighting gym leaders, gets straight the fuck into it, no bullshit, and it includes a setting with a lot of fashion elements where you can dress up your character, which is something I've always liked, right?

SPEAKER_02 1:22:59

Pokemon X and Y. Never referenced, but um the the counterparts of that generation, like uh Omega Ruby and Alpha Sapphire are always referenced as being those are the best. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_07 1:23:11

Those are the best, but I would say that my favourite is white. Like, like, but I would I hands down say that I think that Alpha Sapphire was like is a perfect game.

SPEAKER_02 1:23:19

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_07 1:23:20

In my opinion. I absolutely but why I just loved it. And uh and like it's funny because then he followed up while we were speaking about this and said his favourite was Diamond.

SPEAKER_02 1:23:28

Diamond. That's the one I thought was the fucking black sheep, but there we go. Um but then like the third generation had the gold and silver updates, but then probably just play the originals because they're the starters on X and Y are shit.

SPEAKER_07 1:23:39

There's no two ways about it. The the the I pick the grass one, I usually do pick the grass one, but this what he turns into in his second evolution, it's like this the this is the worst thing. Uh it's like a big ball with a smiling, it's awful. But um, but to their credit, you do get one of the Gen 1 starters as well. In in in just as part of the story in in X and Y. It's like they're new, they were like, Look, we know the fire one's pretty cool to be fair, but they were like, we know this grass one shit, have a Charmander.

SPEAKER_02 1:24:06

Well, and and Mega Rufi and Ruby and Alpha Sapphire, they had that as a secret where you could like go to like some remote part of the world, and then there'd be a guy with a suitcase with the original Gen 1 starters in, and you can pick one of those.

SPEAKER_07 1:24:20

Yeah, I mean you could do that way if you're a cuck, but of course I've been trading my Pokemon up from Gen 1 since I was like one.

SPEAKER_02 1:24:26

Yeah, yeah, we all have, but like, you know.

SPEAKER_07 1:24:28

Which they took out in the recent ones. Yeah, yeah. That's the literally the only reason I didn't play it, because I'm like, can't I have my Charmander from when I was seven? Fuck you.

SPEAKER_02 1:24:35

Well that was the reason it wasn't there, it's like shit we've got. Well, there was a lot.

SPEAKER_07 1:24:38

There's a lot, there was a lot, but that was one of the main ones. I probably would have played Sword and Shield if I could bring my old team with me. Yeah, yeah, I'll I mean I I I even had a subscription to the Pokemon Bank on DS five pounds a month.

SPEAKER_02 1:24:50

Well Nintendo of NetLi just said here's the lion, this is where we were good, and now we're just gonna just start being terrible.

SPEAKER_07 1:24:56

They've they've smudged the lion with a big fucking eraser. Um yeah, that's it for what we've been playing. Oh, yeah, you monkey delivery.

SPEAKER_02 1:25:03

Oh yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_07 1:25:04

Right, let's talk about monkey delivery.

SPEAKER_02 1:25:14

Uh this deadline delivery.

SPEAKER_07 1:25:16

It's actually called deadline delivery. But Sean, you love monkey games.

SPEAKER_02 1:25:19

I do love monkey delegates.

SPEAKER_07 1:25:20

And a new one jumped onto the scene, a new one um swung onto the scene.

SPEAKER_02 1:25:24

Yeah, I don't really enjoy it, enjoy it really that much, to be honest.

SPEAKER_05 1:25:28

That was the joke. Go on.

SPEAKER_02 1:25:30

Um no, like I did I didn't really enjoy it that much, to be honest. Um, like I think it was uh promising. Um like the speeds the speed was good. Um but I just think like the Well, so what was it?

SPEAKER_07 1:25:43

It's a game where you play as a monkey mail man delivering monkey mail.

SPEAKER_02 1:25:47

Yeah, so but uh essentially it's more of a like a racing game where you have different checkpoints and you chuck the mail into the checkpoint.

SPEAKER_07 1:25:55

So it's just a themed racing game.

unknown 1:25:57

Yeah.

SPEAKER_07 1:25:57

Because we thought it was gonna be a bit like Crazy Taxi but with a chimp. Yes. And that's like your favourite game and your favourite animal combined.

SPEAKER_02 1:26:03

Yeah, exactly.

SPEAKER_07 1:26:04

Because you love chimps.

SPEAKER_02 1:26:05

Yeah, I do, but it's like, yeah, exactly. Two f my two favourite things. Um it's just sort of annoying, it didn't work out because um, but I think like with a couple of patches, because the car the car slides too much, um there's no tutorial, um, and also And also you're driving a van right, so you don't even see the monkey most of the time. No, you don't.

SPEAKER_07 1:26:28

So maybe they could have it so it's riding on the top like Mr. Bean, and that would make it a better monkey game.

SPEAKER_02 1:26:32

You have uh you have got a vast amount of vans.

SPEAKER_07 1:26:35

Why don't you just wash over my idea there? It's a good idea. Well, um have the monkey on a on a chair on top of the van driving the car from the top.

SPEAKER_02 1:26:42

Well, because they have cutscenes of like where he's talking to the monkeys.

SPEAKER_07 1:26:45

Right, right, right. But um Is it does it have offspring in the game? The band, the offspring.

SPEAKER_02 1:26:49

No, I was waiting for that. Oh, the music's not very good either. They need offspring. Like, where are they?

SPEAKER_07 1:26:55

Where are offspring? Good question. Everyone's been wondering it.

SPEAKER_02 1:26:58

So deadline delivery, it gets uh well, I'd say the score's quite low.

SPEAKER_07 1:27:03

Um but how many bananas out of five?

SPEAKER_02 1:27:06

Uh probably two. Two bananas. I think it's promising. Uh it's a bit unpolished, so with a couple of patches, it could be a really excellent game, I think.

SPEAKER_07 1:27:16

Alright, well, uh that that's a very, very uh good explanation about the deadline delivery. That's a good review for once. Cheers. You did it. For once. Uh good review, I mean. That's what it's sentence. Where do you cut the sentence off, you know? Doesn't matter.

SPEAKER_06 1:27:27

I know, yeah.

SPEAKER_07 1:27:28

Uh right, shall we uh take a break and then go on to our items? Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:27:33

Lucky.

SPEAKER_07 1:27:34

Right, um, Sean, it's your item. Yes, get lucky.

SPEAKER_02 1:27:37

So um, so we're talking about uh in uh sort of like uh our years of experience of gaming, like illegal activity that's happened or you've done or anything like that. So um yeah.

SPEAKER_07 1:27:52

I tell you what as well, because you like to do discussion points uh for the feedback of the next episode, send in your answers to this question too, right?

SPEAKER_02 1:28:00

Yeah, that'll be very interesting.

SPEAKER_07 1:28:01

And we'll we'll get into that as well. We can have another listener-driven segment. But so uh things that we've done are are gaming-related illegal stories.

SPEAKER_02 1:28:09

Uh so yeah, so I mean in the UK, uh piracy has sort of been a part of our culture for a for a long time. I don't think it's just the UK, but I mean, you know, I mean it is part of the culture.

SPEAKER_07 1:28:22

I suppose because we have a big culture around pirate radio. Yeah, yeah. Um chipped PS1s and PS2s was the thing that would happen. You would like there would always be a guy in every neighbourhood that was known for chipping PS2s. And what that means is they would uh I don't even know if they did put a chip in there, but they would mod your console so you could play pirated and import games.

SPEAKER_02 1:28:43

Yeah, some people for some people it would just be a disc that I put in.

SPEAKER_07 1:28:47

What I loved was our next door neighbour, Sunil, if you're listening, my guy. Um do you remember he got his PS1 chipped, but all of the pirated games would be black and white for some reason. Yeah, yeah. And so we played Need for Speed Hot Pursuit exclusively black and white. Don't know why that was. Never figured it out. But we could play a normal game and it'll be not black and white, but every pirated game was black and white.

SPEAKER_02 1:29:06

Yeah, yeah, hell of a game though.

SPEAKER_07 1:29:08

But um yeah, uh I mean uh But I suppose outside of because piracy is such an accepted thing. It's it's so so like you you do it so um regularly that you don't even really think about it as being a crime at this point.

SPEAKER_02 1:29:22

No, exactly. I mean You know what I mean?

SPEAKER_07 1:29:24

Like the the only the only sort of qualms I have are pirating indie games. I never do it, right? Yeah, but like I I'll I'll jump I'll jump on Pirate Resident Evil Requiem right now. I mean back in the although I would never just to be clear, sorry, I would never ever do that, and I'm only joking, and you should not do that, paid developers.

SPEAKER_02 1:29:41

Uh except Nintendo, yeah. Um but um yeah, so very early into my gaming career uh uh I you know we went to car boot sales and got pi pirated Amiga games, uh which is the basically the way I experienced the the last ninja series, which is one of the best series.

SPEAKER_07 1:30:06

Thing is, Amiga Piracy was so easy as well because you would just get the files and copy them over to a floppy disk, and that was it. Yeah, and people were selling these out the back of their car, some of which were like uh bootleg games too. So, like you for example, the Amiga never had an official port of Street Fighter 2, but what it did have was a bootleg version just made by like some guy like because the Amiga had some kind of like a very thriving demo scene where one of the things is uh the hobbyist developers all they would do is just try to make interesting demos that push the limits of the hardware. Like you remember one that was a guy that just made um a demo of 3D text, that was it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And you could you could download that or buy the floppy disk, and it's just the guy demonstrating his skills at programming.

SPEAKER_02 1:30:51

There's a very iconic um sort of image of that that whole thing is that that sphere, that 3D sphere.

SPEAKER_07 1:30:58

Yeah, that was a big deal. And then like the other thing was the the uh you know programmers uh and hackers would try to show off to each other and compete, right? That's been a thing for a long time. Uh but in the Amiga days, it was like so we got a port of Street Fighter 2 that was just made because somebody was flexing that they could port Street Fighter 2 to the Amiga, which I think is pretty cool.

SPEAKER_02 1:31:18

Yeah, that I mean it wasn't as successful as they'd hoped, but it was cool.

SPEAKER_07 1:31:22

I mean, because this was during uh there was a point where there was a Street Fighter home port, I think probably before Super Turbo for the Snares, where you couldn't do mirror matches.

SPEAKER_02 1:31:32

Yeah, it was the first one, World Warrior.

SPEAKER_07 1:31:35

Yeah, and the big thing was that the Amiga port of World Warrior allowed you to do mirror matches. Yeah. The programmers actually modded the game, which is pretty cool. Um I also think that like speaking of like other i illegal things that we've done.

SPEAKER_02 1:31:51

What by your uh PSP story?

SPEAKER_07 1:31:53

Yeah, I mean that was a good one because what happened was is that so there was um a shop. Uh this is just when gaming just used to be better, used to have more hard and soul. And there was a shop in Croydon, and we can say this with confident confident c confidence now because they they shut down after the Croyd Croydon riots, very sadly, but called X Electrical. They would break street date on games because obviously they get the deliveries before you pay a tenner more, they give you it street date broken.

SPEAKER_02 1:32:20

Yeah, um, and you know, nobody broke the code, nobody came out and like outed them, everyone just understood, everyone just was respectful.

SPEAKER_07 1:32:29

I did it once I bought Animal Crossing New Leaf, um uh uh two days before it came out.

SPEAKER_02 1:32:36

I I bought Super Smash Bros. Brawl, the the American version.

SPEAKER_07 1:32:40

Because yeah, it came out months and months before the English one.

SPEAKER_02 1:32:43

And it was better as well.

SPEAKER_07 1:32:44

It was um because it ran at 60 frames per second instead of 50.

SPEAKER_02 1:32:48

Yeah.

SPEAKER_07 1:32:48

Um the other thing was that yeah, so the PSP story was pretty cool because I went down there and uh one of the guys that was serving, I forget his name, but the tall guy, the the black fella, he he was like, um I went in there just thinking I I really wanted to get a PSP, but there was famously a shortage of them. You remember they were very, very hard to get. I I went down to X Electrical and I just said, Have you got any PSPs in stock? And he went, right, this isn't via the shop, this is just you and me doing a deal. Let's go out back. And he had a suitcase full of Japanese PSPs. He'd gone there, right, just with an empty suitcase and just came just filled it full of white PSPs years before white PSPs were available in England and uh and just was selling them. 200 quid, he gave me a charger, um, and right there and then in the shop he changed it from Japanese language to English using some sort of weird hack. He had to plug it into a computer to a translation patch or something. Um to this day it's still the PSP I own, and it's uh I don't know if PSP had region locking, but this one is not region locked, so I don't know if that's a good thing or not. But like um, yeah, managed to get a white PSP about two years before it came out to England, something like that. Yeah, yeah, that was pretty cool. And uh the illegal stuff has always been so much fun, hasn't it? Yeah, it has. Uh the other one I wanted to speak about was the um uh there was a an arcade in in our town where we live that had a lot of the bootleg arcade games because frequently what would happen like back in the arcade days was you would have um arcade operators that had machines in, but they couldn't necessarily afford to buy the new latest games, but bootleggers would sell um their own versions of games like ROM hacks essentially, and uh arcade operators could buy them for a fraction of the price. Famously, Miss Pac-Man was that exactly. It was a hardware mod, but these people just modded Pac-Man and made new levels for it. Yeah, and then it ended up becoming a thing where Namco was sort of cool with it, wasn't it? It's like they sort of drummed up a contract with them where they would get a profit from them. But like, bear in mind that's just one of the detected ones. The other one was Street Fighter 2 Rainbow Edition, which was mental. But our local arcade operator had downloaded Rainbow Edition, and it was uh it was a hack that made it into sort of like an anime fighter, but obviously they hadn't really done any of the animations, but like Zangeef could shoot flames out of his knees, you could do special moves in the air like pretty much infinitely, so you could just throw out Hadulkans every frame while you're in the air. Yeah, and the and the Hadulkans would like go in a sort of wave format, yeah, or that uh in some cases were homing as well, so you had homing Hadulkans, and if you press start, you could switch to the next character in the rest to mid-fight as well. It was fucking great, man. And that was like that was like a non-legal thing. You like arcade operators were uh contracted to run the arcades unmodified, and yeah, some of them would just uh be a bit cheeky and put Street Fighter Rainbow Edition in there.

SPEAKER_02 1:35:45

Yeah, because the illegal ones were like a tiny like portion of what they'd usually pay anyway, and they the people want the latest games, so you know like that that arcade in town was so scummy, wasn't it?

SPEAKER_07 1:35:57

They definitely couldn't have uh couldn't have afforded Third Strike, no, no, no. But they could get rainbow edition for 200 quid.

SPEAKER_02 1:36:02

You know, um I know the place you're mentioning, and and I can still picture the smell of it.

SPEAKER_07 1:36:07

But I'll tell you what, the best illegal I don't know if this counts as illegal, um, but listeners, you you you you tell us what you think. So that exact same building very much later became an internet cafe, and we had a mate who was working doing a paper realm, right? So he would deliver papers to people, and at the back of those, we noticed that there was uh coupons for one hour of free gaming at this place. It was called Apollo, right? So you could go in, use their PCs, and uh to get an hour of free gaming. Now, what he did is before delivering everyone's papers, he cut the coupons out the back of each one, which I must be a crime because surely it's a crime, yeah. Those people that have paid for their papers, that coupon belongs to them, right?

SPEAKER_02 1:36:50

Yeah, so he but he cut them all out and we had took he painstakingly took uh uh every page out that that was on, so people wouldn't think that that page existed.

SPEAKER_07 1:37:00

So these poor um operators of this fucking internet cafe who took taking that ad out to get people into their shop, um, we had all of them. No, there were like literally nobody else had those vouchers except us, because it it it was it was that one local paper, and he was responsible for it. So we would go in there with stacks of the fucking things and just game all day. We became like friends with the people that like which is mental because the the people that ran it, we we started, we had a bit of a like a competitive scene over the summer with the people that ran it, who from whom let's be honest, we stole essentially. Yeah, and and and the funny thing was is that we would go in there, we'd wait until open, 9am, and we play until closing, and we'd have lock-ins with them where we play Unreal Tournament. They close the shop and we'd be in there playing Unreal Tournament until like uh I don't know, we were kids, so probably like 10, something like this.

SPEAKER_02 1:37:53

And one of the guys, uh actually both of them, to be fair, would like when we came in, sort of like go and have a doobie out the back, like knowing that he'd have like a full gaming session on, like with us, with us.

SPEAKER_07 1:38:05

And and to be fair, to be fair, we did buy uh we we didn't pay for the PC usage, obviously. We had the we had everyone in Red Hills coupons. But what we would do is we'd buy the snacks there, wouldn't we? Yeah, and basically our entire summer, like for that year, we had like what three months off of school, yeah, and we spent every fucking day in that cafe paying not paying for the internet and just playing an unrule tournament. And and do you know what to the point where we didn't play like any um sort of tournament-based game modes. What we do is we'd do capture the flag, first of three, us versus the employees of the shop, yeah, and um what it would be is like we would just put unlimited time on it, right? So we had some capture the flag matches that would uh last up to three, four hours, and we'd even have like say to somebody, right, you you hold them off for a minute, let's have a meeting. We need to think of a different strategy around this. And we would just play it for four hours until until something happened, like, and we'd really have to try and outthink each other if we were evenly matched. There was no draws, it was just whoever got to three, that was the end of it. Some of them lasting up to four hours. It was fucking amazing.

SPEAKER_02 1:39:11

Yeah, it was, it was.

SPEAKER_07 1:39:13

It must have been it I go down as one of my favourite times ever in my life. But it's funny that the people that like the owner would constantly play with us, wouldn't he? Yeah, he would, yeah. And uh he he but like he knew what we were doing, but I just think he must have done, yeah. He just probably didn't care, and I don't know why, because it was his business.

SPEAKER_02 1:39:31

But we were just Well, there was well there was um a couple of times where um they'd have someone different, um, and it was a woman and one employee, and she was like, Yeah, it's a limit one hour per coupon. Like you can't really do it after that. And um we we we hated her so much.

SPEAKER_07 1:39:50

Yeah, because we there was a point where we were like uh They didn't even say that though, did it? Yeah, because it didn't say it on the coupon. So we were like, Well, fuck you. And the main the main guy that ran it, like the owner, I remember saying to him, it doesn't say it on the coupon. He's like, Well, fair enough then, let's jump on, and we just buy Unreal Tournament. I think he he just liked playing the game with us. Yeah, he did, yeah. For that entire and remember, there was the one guy uh that was on their team as well that was like a Counter-Strike player, and he started the summer saying Unreal Tournament's a game for fucking idiots and uh come play a real man's game, play Counter-Strike. Ended the summer, we we he it was the only thing he played, and it was all we did all day long. And the funniest thing was sorry, is that we started a clan in our game, and this was the dumbest, stupidest revelation of the entire thing. The guy that stole the vouchers for us, um, we booted him out of our team because he wasn't pulling his weight, we were losing against the guy the Apollo employees, and so we we actually kicked him off the team and we still we still had the vouchers, and um, we employed our cousin to come and play with us, um, who was who's a better animal tournament player. Like we were because it was our life for that entire summer, we were taking it so seriously.

SPEAKER_02 1:40:56

Yeah, we had to cut out the dead weight, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_07 1:40:58

And we were just like, we were like, Well, this is this is all we're doing. It reminded me, you know, the episode of The American Office where they played Call of Duty, yeah, and it's like, but they don't give a fuck about their job, they're just having fun playing this game. And then you know when um yeah, Andy is screaming at Germany, so I'm gonna kill you in real life. Like that was what it was like at the time. It was all we played, and it was the fucking it was the fucking best.

SPEAKER_06 1:41:21

It was.

SPEAKER_07 1:41:22

But we s we stole off the company, and basically it stole off the people who to whom those vouchers belonged, to whom I should say, and uh and the the owners just sort of would just chill with it. Yeah, they were the the the whole thing ended, and it was just before we went back to school because uh the company changed hands. Yes. And do you remember that Italian guy? Do you sort of took over and then it was just we were never in there again? Nope. And then shortly after the I'm not saying we're responsible.

SPEAKER_02 1:41:47

Oh, actually, I was in there one more time, actually, because um I did use to rent games from there fairly often, like since they opened.

SPEAKER_07 1:41:56

Um I rent Yeah, it was a game rental shop as well.

SPEAKER_02 1:41:59

Uh when they were closing down, I got like some of their rare games like Pet and TV and stuff like that.

SPEAKER_07 1:42:03

Yeah, yeah, I remember that, yeah. But no, no, the only other thing we we did play Rainbow Six Three there a couple of times, but it short shut down shortly after. And I can't help but feel that if that advertisement campaign of the coupons had worked.

SPEAKER_02 1:42:16

I think uh to be fair, if it makes you feel bad, most people would have just seen it and not used it at all.

SPEAKER_07 1:42:22

No, we did there were some other regulars that came in there just to genuinely just use a computer because they didn't own one. But um this was our 2000s. It was pretty much just us in there, wasn't it? Yeah, it was. What a f what a fucking We owned that building. It was brilliant, man. It was so good. That's probably the best illegal thing we've ever done. Why don't you tell the listeners what our clan name was at the time? What was that? Bear in mind our clan was formed entirely around playing the Apollo employees. That was it. We never played with other people or entered tournaments, but our clan was called Virtual Genocide.

SPEAKER_02 1:42:51

Yeah, yeah. Yeah, it's our early 2000s aesthetic.

SPEAKER_07 1:42:56

Well, anyway, that's our best illegal story. Do remember to send yours in and we'll read them out in the feedback next time. Um let's go wild. So for my segment here, we are going to be doing a game centered around Phoenix Wright character names. Now, Phoenix Wright characters are often pun names that sound exactly like uh that describe the character, right?

SPEAKER_06 1:43:22

Give an example. Uh like Luke Atme.

SPEAKER_07 1:43:25

Yeah, Luke Atme. Um we've got Lotta Heart Lot of Heart because she's a person that has a lot of heart. Um so I've done sort of a similar thing here where I've made some sort of rounds here, and you have to sort of pick out real or fake Phoenix Wright names, basically. So, uh round one, you've got uh you've got four examples here, and you've got to pick the real Phoenix Wright character.

SPEAKER_02 1:43:49

Oh, the real one, oh.

SPEAKER_07 1:43:50

Okay, which one's the real one out of these four? One, Max Sentence. Two, Anita Alibi. Three, Salmanella, four, Shirley Guilty. Shirley Guilty. No, the real one was Salmanella. It was on the episode where you were solving a bake uh murder surrounding a bakery.

SPEAKER_02 1:44:10

Salmanella.

SPEAKER_07 1:44:12

Alright, round two, pick the real Phoenix Wright character again. One, Shelley D. Killer. Two, Robin Banks. Three, Warren Peace. Warren Peace. Four, I'll be back.

SPEAKER_02 1:44:27

What was the second one?

SPEAKER_07 1:44:29

Robin Banks. Shelley D. Killer. Shelly D. Killer.

SPEAKER_02 1:44:35

Shelly D. Killer, I know.

SPEAKER_07 1:44:37

Yeah, you're right. Yeah, yeah. And funny enough, she turns out to be the killer. Um round three, you gotta pick the one that is not the real Phoenix Wright character. One, Enie Miney.

SPEAKER_02 1:44:48

Not. Okay.

SPEAKER_07 1:44:49

Yeah, not. So number one, Enie Miney. Two, Claire verdict. Three, Deed Man, four, JL Bird.

SPEAKER_02 1:44:58

JL Bird. No, no, no, that is real. That is real.

SPEAKER_07 1:45:01

Which one's not the real one? Enie Miney, Claire Verdict, Deed Man, JL Bird.

SPEAKER_06 1:45:08

Claire verdict. So you're saying that Claire verdict is not the real No You're saying that Claire Verdict is not the real Phoenix Wright character.

SPEAKER_07 1:45:17

Sorry, I just had to turn the volume down on the cloud.

SPEAKER_02 1:45:19

No, it's Claire Verdict, yeah.

SPEAKER_07 1:45:22

You are correct.

SPEAKER_02 1:45:24

Um right. I had to think for a second, I like to lie. It's been so many years since I played the series, isn't it?

SPEAKER_07 1:45:31

Yeah, same. Right, round four. Again, you're gonna pick the not real Phoenix Wright character. One, Delicia Scones. Two, Look at me. Three, Dustin Prince. Four, Miss Demeanor. That's the first one. You think the first one is not the real one?

SPEAKER_04 1:45:51

Yeah.

SPEAKER_07 1:45:51

Delicia Scones unfortunately is a real character. The not real one was Miss Demeanor.

SPEAKER_02 1:45:58

Miss Demeanor sounds real.

SPEAKER_07 1:45:59

That's the one I made up.

SPEAKER_02 1:46:00

That sounds real though, I know.

SPEAKER_07 1:46:01

Yeah, but it's quite easy to make these up though.

SPEAKER_02 1:46:03

That's the unfortunate thing. Like you could have like a name generator for you.

SPEAKER_07 1:46:08

Yeah, I mean, yeah, somebody's probably made one, haven't they? But like um, like just pick any sort of like crime-based thing, and then sort of you just make a name out of it.

SPEAKER_02 1:46:16

And it could be like, I don't know, um well it's uh like uh uh there's detonate, but it's mixed up and it's Ted Donate or something.

SPEAKER_07 1:46:25

Yeah, like do you know that even um Mia Faye is a pun? It's like the one that goes under the radar because she's MIA. She's one of the Fay family and she's M IA because she gets killed.

SPEAKER_09 1:46:37

Yeah.

SPEAKER_07 1:46:38

Like every almost every name in that game is some sort of stupid pun. Um, but yeah. Well done, mate, you got some points. Alright, let's go on to the male segment. For this one, we're doing something a bit different, which is why I've got the old decks out here. Um, because I asked you guys uh what is the best uh song from a video game ever and what makes it so good. Just before we get into your answers, do remember that after we share the contact information at the end of every podcast, we do also include the sound test segment where we pick a song to play us out. And usually it has an interesting story, usually it's a banger of a song, sometimes we do a bad one. So if you find this segment interesting, do uh listen to the end of the podcast, alright? No more fucking about.

SPEAKER_02 1:47:39

I thought people did listen to the end.

SPEAKER_07 1:47:41

Well, I hope they do. I I have no data to back that up. So Carti comes in with the first one. He says, Not my favourite from a video game ever, as it'll be something from Kingdom Hearts, and I gush too much about that franchise already. He has picked Marvel vs. Capcom 2 New Age of Heroes OST Player Select.

SPEAKER_02 1:47:58

Yes, it's an iconic, iconic track.

SPEAKER_07 1:48:01

He says, This though is easily one of the best character select songs ever. It is though. Instantly brings you right into the game, and I think and I think it reflects the game really well. It's not serious, it's fun. No, you you hang on one second. These universes are not meant to collide, but they have, so enjoy. So many fighting games go for an OST that's really trying hard to reflect their respective characters and emotions, which is great, like Tekken, Street Fire, Guilty Gear. But Marvel vs. Capcoms is just pure fun and a true showcase of what fun fighting game OSTs should be. Fun. I could easily listen to this whole OST without playing the game, and to take it a step further, I could show this to someone who hasn't even played games at all, and I think that there will be a fair level of appreciation for it.

SPEAKER_02 1:48:45

Yeah, definitely. I mean it's uh it is a really good soundtrack. Um if you do listen to the character select theme, it does take you to the game.

SPEAKER_07 1:48:56

It's like it's it's got a it's got an atmosphere. Instead of going for individual character themes like Street Fighter does, this soundtrack goes for a unified sound in the same way that Third Strike does. And I think that while I don't think it's my favourite Marvel vs. Capcom soundtrack, I think that one goes from MVC One. Um I do think that this one in particular has a unified sound to where it if you listen to all the songs outside of the game, they sound like an album. They sound like an album by the same musical artists and it they fit together.

SPEAKER_02 1:49:29

Yeah, they do, they do. Um although when I don't know, when soundtracks do a unified kind of thing, it tends to make the game a bit worse.

SPEAKER_07 1:49:39

I think um I like I I dis I disagree, I disagree wholeheartedly. Third strike, end of story. I need I say more. That game has a unified theme throughout all of its soundtracks, and it's it's a bang in MVC too.

SPEAKER_02 1:49:52

No, but I'm talking about like individual character themes, like when the when individual character themes versus like uh Sound track just to generate.

SPEAKER_07 1:50:02

Stage themes.

SPEAKER_02 1:50:02

Yeah, like sta stage themes are good.

SPEAKER_07 1:50:05

Um, you prefer the style of having character-specific themes, do you?

SPEAKER_02 1:50:09

Yeah, I mean like you know, like Tatsunaka versus Capcom, the Japanese version versus the American re-release was a lot better.

SPEAKER_07 1:50:16

I I f I feel I feel like Look, I I get it, but I feel like from a musical perspective, MVC2, because it has unified themes and has this kind of jazzy feel, it it actually enhances the atmosphere of the game. The only thing is I will say that as much as I think the music is uh top-notch, almost perfect, I felt like one was better solely because it it it enhanced the atmosphere more than MVC2s did, but MVC2s did enhance uh emphasize fun, and he's right about that.

SPEAKER_02 1:50:47

Yeah, he did. Uh he is right, and um yeah, I mean it is yeah, it's a banger.

SPEAKER_07 1:50:52

I mean it's like one of the first uh fighting game soundtracks where they had like, I don't know, it wasn't real instruments, but you know, it was like a proper jazzy I think it is real instruments, um uh but his point about being able to show this to somebody and just go, this is a good song, he's right. Because when I was gathering all these songs to play on this segment, uh my wife listened to it and she said it was a banger. Doesn't know the game, doesn't know what it's from. But uh anyway, let's give it a listen now.

SPEAKER_00 1:51:17

I wanna take the four rag. I wanna take your foo-roo rack I wanna take your foo-roo rack I wanna take your foo rack. I wanna take a furu rack. I wanna take your foo-roo rack.

SPEAKER_02 1:51:38

It's very like the best character select theme. There's like probably there's there are. I mean, uh I've got a lot of opinions.

SPEAKER_07 1:51:46

That's one of the best ones.

SPEAKER_02 1:51:46

I've got a lot of opinions. Maybe I should have a whole segment because I I can't You You want your own segment, do you? I I maybe I should um next time I'm gonna talk about character select themes.

SPEAKER_07 1:51:57

Alright, fair enough. Um Right, Carti, like I think that's a spectacular choice. And the things that you've lined out are good, but Sean thinks you thinks you're wrong. No, no, no. Your taste is wrong.

SPEAKER_02 1:52:06

No, I think he's correct, but I don't think it's the best character select. I mean, maybe it's the most iconic.

SPEAKER_07 1:52:11

Alright, um, next one comes in from uh Kill Defences. He said it might be Walking on a Star from the Katamari Damasy uh soundtrack.

SPEAKER_02 1:52:22

Yes.

SPEAKER_07 1:52:23

I've accidentally played it too early. Um and he says, I love how it keeps building on itself. My friend used to play this whole album at house parties, and it was always a banger. Um let's play this one now, let's have a little listening. That's the one I was thinking of as well. Like that's mad, but yeah, I was thinking the exact same thing. Um right, uh he actually follows up though and has has got uh some more uh suggestions uh which I'm gonna which I've definitely got on my phone right now. And he says, in the same vein, a song uh of a song that I love that just builds on itself and is amazing is the theme song from the outer wilds. Um let's give that a listen. I think it's quite good when he's listening. Oh I said his real name. Kill defenses when he's listening to his game soundtracks and he likes chill shit.

SPEAKER_02 1:54:32

Yes, good stuff. If that's the main menu theme, you know.

SPEAKER_07 1:54:35

That's nice. Like you you're immediately met with something chill as heck when you get into the game. Like, the the the there's something to be said for the power of a fucking good main menu theme. Yeah, you know, something like you know when I I boot up Animal Crossing New Horizons and I I I that that theme just instantly hits me with the like uh I don't like the warmth, the chillness that that game that that game has, and I think this has gotta be one of those, like I imagine every time he was jumping on the game, they're being met with this, it was like you were just like, ah, I'm back.

SPEAKER_09 1:55:07

Yeah.

SPEAKER_07 1:55:08

Um he he was whispering. But yeah, he follows up by saying a lot of my other favourites are just actual songs from bands that are on a soundtrack. The Pacific Drive soundtrack is incredible, and obviously Tony Hawke's Pro Skater one is a classic. Of course. Millencoin was my favourite band when I was a kid. Mate, the amount of we can't play any of them, obviously, but the amount of licensed music that that I just love because of Tony Hawke's, like, it's mad.

SPEAKER_02 1:55:34

Yeah, I think um uh like uh Superman by Goldfinger is the like I mean I don't know any of their other songs.

SPEAKER_07 1:55:42

Like um, what is it, 12 two minutes to midnight by Iron Maiden? Yeah, yeah. Just because it was on Vice City, and it's just it was like the soundtrack of a good few month portion of my life. And it's like I don't even like Iron Maiden. I don't like Papa Roach, but in the context of Tony Hawks, it's like well good.

SPEAKER_02 1:55:59

Yeah, yeah, it goes like really well like with the movement and yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_07 1:56:04

And and like I discovered so many bands that I still love to this day, and like mad capsule markets. Mad Capsule Markets I discovered via Tony Hawks, and I absolutely love them. There was also like um what was that song by CKY? Every other song they've ever done is trash, and I think I only like it because it was in Tony Hawke. So it makes a good point there. Um yeah, really like the Katamari one and Outer Wilds one, like really cracking choices. Um Dr. Mamson, he comes in, he says, Mine is Sepis Redux from Destiny. It goes hard as shit. Um it also originally was a cover by a fan, but when Bat Bungie revamped the strike map, they used the cover instead of the original song. That's good. That is a really really cool thing to do. Let's uh let's give that a little listen! Fucking Northerner, he says too many good songs out there, but I'm gonna pick one out of a hat. I'm gonna go say Waluigi Pinball from Mario Kart, especially with the recent facelift it got in Mario Kart World. Already a banging melody, already a banging melody, and now there's Groovy Sacks Solo. So let's give that a listen. So this is the version from Mario Kart World, the revamped one. This this is another one my wife was listening to and said it was an absolute belter.

SPEAKER_04 1:58:35

Well that right. Right, come on, that's gotta be number one. I mean that's gotta be the best one.

SPEAKER_06 1:58:40

That is one of I mean Right, you're you you're definitely gonna start up now and be like, no, it's a good Mario Kart one, but it's one of the best.

SPEAKER_02 1:58:47

I mean Mario Kart 8 had all the bangers to be honest. I mean, this is from Mario Kart World, not as good of a game.

SPEAKER_07 1:58:53

No, this is Mario Kart World's version of a DS track.

SPEAKER_02 1:58:56

I mean it is one of the best um Mario Kart tracks ever. Come on. Yeah, um, one of the best Mario Kart courses ever made. Um, but yeah.

SPEAKER_09 1:59:05

Yeah.

SPEAKER_07 1:59:05

Alright, um the other thing was uh so the last one, anyway, look. I think that was a very, very good select selection fucking northerner, a banger of a tune. Loved hearing that again. Um also the S game that has a good soundtrack.

SPEAKER_02 1:59:21

Yeah, very rare. Um very rare. Um Yeah, I mean I don't know where this comes in on Marikart World, but you know.

SPEAKER_07 1:59:29

I played it the other day actually. It's fucking shit. Is it? Yeah, because you know do you know like between you know like if you do a um a lot of people say it's a downgrade? It's awful. And and you know when you do a race like uh if you do a what did you call it, a grand prix.

SPEAKER_02 1:59:45

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_07 1:59:47

Um you have to go between you have to go between all uh the the tracks as you drive to the next track.

SPEAKER_02 1:59:54

Yeah, I've heard that, yeah. It's just a straight line. A multiplayer.

SPEAKER_07 1:59:57

Yeah. We were playing a split screen, it's just a straight line to the next track. I played one race. The racing was fine, but the rest of it was terrible.

SPEAKER_02 2:00:05

It makes you drive even a multiplayer to the next line. Okay.

SPEAKER_07 2:00:10

I don't know if it because it was Cannon, my friend, it was his it was his uh switch too. I don't know if it was uh some sort of like um weird setting or Modi was on, but I was just like, well, we have to drive to the next race. Yeah, awful, terrible game. But um next is gonna be Millie Hunt. She says mine will probably be Jump Up Superstar from Mario Odyssey. Now, keen headlisteners might know this was my wife. Funny thing is though, we were speaking earlier about you know that MVC 2 like it's just a banging song that you could just show to somebody and be like, here's a good song that you might want to listen to. I think Jump Up Superstar is like that as well because Millie's never played Mario Odyssey, yeah, but she is a massive Tyco Drummaster fan. It was one of her favourite games of all time.

SPEAKER_02 2:00:58

Was that in Tyco Drummaster?

SPEAKER_07 2:01:00

Exactly. It's on the Switch version, which we own and play all the fucking. You can see my Switch is still set up over there. For no other reason than we play Tyco Drummaster.

SPEAKER_06 2:01:09

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_07 2:01:10

And that happens to be one of her favourite songs on it. So uh yeah, belter of a tune. Uh let's give it a listen. It sounds like this.

SPEAKER_08 2:01:26

Here we go. Up the rail. But you know, it's time to raise up. It's freedom like you never went to my video.

SPEAKER_07 2:02:27

Great choice to my wife there.

SPEAKER_02 2:02:29

Also great choice in partners. It's one of those where like you you sort of like link the song like and it goes, yeah, you get that strong memory of New Dark City.

SPEAKER_07 2:02:39

Well, and also that level, and specifically the bit where that song is playing, felt like sort of a celebration of Mario as a series.

SPEAKER_02 2:02:45

Yeah, definitely. Um beautiful, beautiful. Um next up, we gotta do our own answers.

SPEAKER_07 2:02:53

Um we've got to pick our own favourite song. Now, obviously, I you haven't picked yours, so we won't be able to listen to it now, but um the one I picked is uh obviously some of my favourite soundtracks come for either PS1 or SNES, um because that was just I don't know, I was a child, and that tend to be like um and when you're that age, it's like the a lot of the things that influence you in later life come around around that time, right? And I think that I I'm into making um lo-fi orchestral music, or aka Dungeon Synth, or dark ambient music, and I think a lot of that comes from Snez games like Final Fantasy IV, um Final Fantasy VI, and uh in its particular case is Trials of Mana, otherwise known as Sai Kendensetsu III, which is like I think that the I was just trying to think of uh as a person that makes music myself, I don't want to say composer because it sounds pretentious, but it's sort of this game might be the biggest one that's influenced my style. And to be fair, one of the main things I made are like uh three, four entire albums of music using SNES sound fonts because I just love the way they sound. And this game might be like the biggest influence, especially the entire series of psychanders, actually, it was like just the music, it has such a unique sound, and some people fucking hate it, especially because of the drum sound. But um, I just absolutely love it. That's like a sort of really beautiful melancholy to it, and uh yeah, I love them. But yeah, this is Innocent C from Charles of Mana. Now I'm not gonna play you the Snez version because uh the to be honest, the the version in the remake just sounds better. But yeah, here it is.

SPEAKER_02 2:06:15

That is come on. Yeah, the CPS two version. I mean, it doesn't get much better, does it? Not really.

SPEAKER_07 2:07:20

Um, although Halo Wait, wait, wait, wait. Halo 2 probably that's also a good choice. But because we didn't we we'll have to pretend that I'm playing out of these decks now and uh that we've just reacted like so just react to it now, like as if you've listened. Oh well now that's a that's a good guy's theme, isn't it?

SPEAKER_02 2:07:42

Yeah, that is it, that is a good one. True far for Gyle theme, good one as well. But this is the same thing.

SPEAKER_07 2:07:46

But that's the classic. Um so you were gonna say Halo, Halo two.

SPEAKER_02 2:07:50

Halo two, uh Milner uh Milner, is that the that's the menu theme? That's the theme change, in it. Um that's the one where it's like you like look back and you're like you got like a tear in your eye. You can remember like the fields, the core fields, and like mate, but but but but but get this right.

SPEAKER_07 2:09:01

No, no, I agree, I agree. I was watching a YouTuber, I can't remember her name, but she does videos uh where she blind ranks bad video game tunes, and she just did one the other day that was like good ones, and the fucking Halo music came on, and I was just like, man, what a what what a brilliant song, and what time to be alive. Yeah, yeah. And also like the the funny thing is that those soundtracks just they're just so incredible. And this is cringe listeners. Bear in mind I was very young when this happened. I got married when I was 23. But when I got married, I had songs from Halo as part of the playlist during not not even during the after party, during the wedding.

SPEAKER_02 2:09:40

Yeah, but that's cool because um the ending theme is like you know, I mean it's that that's another one where it's like you tear up a bit.

SPEAKER_07 2:09:46

Yeah, no, and and this was it. So my wife walked down to the down the I was responsible for curating the music for the wedding. She walked down the aisle to a queen song, but then walked out of the aisle, and you know, the wedding organisers cu queued it up to a song from Halo 3. Um but she didn't even know it was. I was just like, it's a good song.

SPEAKER_02 2:10:06

That was very common, that's very common now, but back then that was like, you know, that was quite a new thing, really. Yeah. Uh nerd culture wasn't very prevalent.

SPEAKER_07 2:10:15

Yeah, like people do it now ironically, but I didn't do it and be like, oh, isn't it funny? I put Halo theme. But it was just like, here's a beautiful song, let's it and and it and it worked. And people were like, Oh wow, the music was so amazing. I'm like, it's fucking halo, mate. You need to play it, you fucking normie. Like Millie's grandparents come up to me, that was a lovely song. Why don't you get in the f why don't you play some shoddy snipes, you stupid old fuck? You old prick. No, no, he's sorry, sorry. Um right, uh that is it for that segment, then. Uh, some really cracking answers in a really fun segment, I think.

SPEAKER_02 2:10:48

Yeah, yeah, worst case. I love listening to this music.

SPEAKER_07 2:10:51

I'm gonna cry, man. Um we got one we got one regular question that comes in from fucking northern and he said, What's so fun about Skyrim? Nothing, bro. I'll tell you what is fun about it. Um the Dragon Shout.

SPEAKER_02 2:11:05

Just chilling out, no, just switching your brain off.

SPEAKER_07 2:11:08

Two things, two things. No, no, no.

SPEAKER_02 2:11:10

Oh, mods, mods, mods. There we go.

SPEAKER_07 2:11:12

Put some tips on a castle, let's go. Yeah, yeah. Um, I tell you what though, there is a series that you should watch, Touch the Skyrim fucking Northerner. That is what is fun about Skyrim.

SPEAKER_02 2:11:23

Yeah, exactly.

SPEAKER_07 2:11:23

So the the um the idea behind it is that one of the hosts doesn't like Skyrim, the guy playing the game does, and he keeps adding mods to it until the other guy n likes it, right? But the guy that's playing, he also doesn't tell him when he's added a mod. So the other guy has to discover the mods, and then it's one of the funniest things ever. They play the through the game, uh they do lots of playthroughs with different characters, one of which is where he downloads all the sex mods and it's mental. But one of them is also like they play as a AK wielding skeleton called Bone Dog, and it's one of the funniest fucking things I've ever seen because it can slow time. That's what's fun about Skyrim. Vanilla Skyrim?

SPEAKER_02 2:12:03

I mean, I um I mean we both know a guy that to this day just still plays vanilla Skyrim, isn't it? JT.

SPEAKER_06 2:12:13

Well don't say yes.

SPEAKER_07 2:12:15

Yes, some fat bloke from the pub. Literally. I mean, but he the thing is it's all the fucking I don't know what's wrong with him. Like he he grew up playing Moral Wind in Oblivion, but it's like his brain's fried from being at the pub every fucking night and smoking so much w it doesn't uh no no I'm not gonna finish that. You should probably switch the drink today and then maybe but my point is like he's he's foregoing the better games to play that one. And the game's shit, it's rubbish. And like it's one of those that you know where you go, ah but at the time, right? It wasn't but it it wasn't. It was shit. And and the thing is that I do think there are some quests quest lines in it that were good. Major's Guild is pretty decent.

unknown 2:12:56

Yeah.

SPEAKER_07 2:12:57

I am struggling to think of a single other one.

SPEAKER_02 2:12:59

Um the last bit where you go into uh the Thieves Guild actually was pretty fun to be.

SPEAKER_07 2:13:05

The last bit where you go into the other realm was quite creative.

SPEAKER_02 2:13:10

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_07 2:13:11

Um also I do think that one of the main parts about it, and this is what inspired my own prototype video game that is completely shit, um first person shouter, is the um shout mechanics. Oh, the dragon choice. Funny, funny videos of people being yeeted off cliffs by the shout. That's that's the fun part about Skyrim.

SPEAKER_02 2:13:31

But also Well, that's literally my favourite memory from Skyrim. Like just yeeting a guy.

SPEAKER_07 2:13:37

Going into a shop and just and and like and the thing is that game was so fucking dumb as well. Like the AI is so shit that you would go into a shop, you pick up an item, don't even put it in your pocket, but you just pick up an item and it's go, you're stealing from me, you bastard. You broke the law, and you have to like now evade a thousand policemen or whatever. You can never go back to that town again because you picked up a cup, right? But like you can drag and shout people all day and they don't give a fuck.

SPEAKER_02 2:14:04

Sometimes it'd be by accident as well.

SPEAKER_07 2:14:07

Like you could pick up a cup, a cup that they probably forgot about by accident, and then but like you go into a shop, you drag and shout everything that man owns onto the floor, including him his own body, and he would just get up and be like, hello. It's like it's a dumb game, man. It's such a shit game. I mean Oblivion was kookly, but but but like Skyrim was just like bland. That's his biggest crime. But I tell you what, if you just if you load it up, get the IKEA born mod and play as a ch uh a living chair, or Sanic or Master Chief, get the lightsaber mods, get the castles with tits, the Animal Crossing villager mod, all of that, you'll probably have a really fucking hilarious time.

SPEAKER_02 2:14:49

But it's quite an effort to make a game fun though. What, putting fucking Sanic in it? Yeah, and like like boobs and stuff, innit?

SPEAKER_07 2:14:57

But are you telling me though that if if I said to you, right, once a week, let's meet up, let's play modded Skyrim, and every week I'll add another mod and I'll try and find the weirdest ones. Yeah, it'd be fun. Comment, that'd be a good one.

SPEAKER_02 2:15:08

It'd be fun. It'd be fun, but I couldn't I could just play a good game at that point.

SPEAKER_07 2:15:13

Well, fair enough. Who wants good games when you have games with that you have to monitor to make them fun? And even even when you do that, it's not really that fun, is it?

SPEAKER_02 2:15:20

No, not really. Not really. It's more about like, yeah, I don't know.

SPEAKER_07 2:15:23

Like having a laugh at the game's expense. Yeah. Um, so yeah, nothing's fun about Skyrim. Anyway, that is it for questions. Let's do the outro. And don't forget to stick around because we've got the sound test.

SPEAKER_03 2:15:34

Uh, what's the what's the dictator's name? Jung Young Kim or some shit? Even he probably got some good shit about him.

SPEAKER_07 2:15:39

Right. If you want to get in contact with us, you can at Lucky and Wild Podcast at jamal.com dash gmail. We got a Discord server. The uh link is in the description. Do click that, come along. We need more people in there. YouTube. Yeah, we got a YouTube channel. I put my recent uh 1cc of Death Smiles on there, and we're hopefully gonna be uploading more stuff there as well. But if you like to listen on YouTube, then there it is. Uh Patreon, how's it going?

SPEAKER_02 2:16:06

Uh well but we we're doing alright. We're doing alright. Well, we're not doing alright.

SPEAKER_07 2:16:12

No, we're not. Uh but we did we have been doing this long enough. If you can believe 11 months, we've been at this nearly a year, yeah, right? Sean sounds very strange when he sneezes, ladies and gentlemen. Sorry about that. Excuse me. So we did we have over the 11 months amassed enough money to pay for one month of hosting.

SPEAKER_06 2:16:31

I know, yeah.

SPEAKER_07 2:16:32

So you uh so recently you didn't have to pay for the hosting.

SPEAKER_02 2:16:35

That's great, because usually it comes out when I'm very broke and like you're just like, yeah, money, Patreon, like shit, like I spent all my money.

SPEAKER_07 2:16:42

Yeah, because it comes out, it comes out of my account and and then and then Sean, it's always at the end of the month, and Sean's like, fuck, I have to pay£14 for this hosting. But this time, not only do we pay for the hosting, you got£1.10.

SPEAKER_02 2:16:54

I did.

SPEAKER_07 2:16:54

And I said I said that you should take that£1.10 and buy a game on Steam and play it for the show, but you didn't, did you?

SPEAKER_02 2:16:59

No, I ended up buying a pack of five donuts, if I'm honest.

SPEAKER_07 2:17:02

Um Do you want to review them now so that it goes back into the show? Because otherwise we can't write it off as a tax return.

SPEAKER_02 2:17:07

Yeah, Sainsbury's custard donuts, uh they're What a shit choice. Custard. They're the best though. They are not. Um, like yeah, I mean, like compared to the like Morrison's ones aren't very good. I think Sainsbury's ones are the best ones.

SPEAKER_07 2:17:22

Uh but now we can cut it off there because we've reviewed it on the show. So when I do my tax return, I can say we've all these donuts for review. We're technically a f a variety show now.

SPEAKER_02 2:17:31

I thought that£1.10 was from you, like you were giving it to me.

SPEAKER_07 2:17:34

Why would I just give you£1.10 out of nowhere? Well, because that was what left over after we paid the Patreon fees. But and by the way, listeners, that was a fucking ballake to even get the fucking money out. How long did that take?

SPEAKER_02 2:17:44

About a month? Well, we paid for the hosting fees and for once. Um I mean, to be fair, like the donuts, um, to be fair, like we had them when we went to Portsmouth. So. Oh, is that what they were? Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_07 2:17:58

Fair enough. Yeah. Right, so uh, yeah, good donuts, to be fair. Um spawn. Look, I'm just the thing is, right, listeners, if you're listening to this, I'm begging you. Please. Well, like, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 2:18:09

Give us some money. Why is I always as I always say, we're gonna there's the money's gonna go back into the show.

SPEAKER_07 2:18:15

We're gonna be buying That donut review just then would not have happened if it were not for the hard work. Exactly.

SPEAKER_02 2:18:21

Why did you spend on donuts?

SPEAKER_06 2:18:22

Buy a game.

SPEAKER_07 2:18:23

This is a gaming show. Um You played the game of putting the donut into the game.

SPEAKER_02 2:18:27

Unfortunately, I was gonna spend um money on a game. By the time I got to the sale, the sale was rubbish again. So I could not, in fact, buy a game because.

SPEAKER_07 2:18:36

But you could go on there right now and search up any game that costs a pound.

SPEAKER_02 2:18:39

Yeah, I could. And I did, and none of them were up to scratch.

SPEAKER_07 2:18:43

But next No, I'm just saying buy a bad game, suffer for it, and finish it and then come back onto the podcast. You you bought donuts instead.

unknown 2:18:50

Yes.

SPEAKER_06 2:18:51

Are Sainsbury's fucking sponsoring the show? Um uh well soon. I wish. Please give us some fucking donuts, man.

SPEAKER_07 2:18:58

Look, we we are not gonna do this forever. Sean is very graciously playing for this. If you don't start paying, we'll fucking stop.

SPEAKER_02 2:19:06

No, but well we might No, we probably won't.

SPEAKER_06 2:19:09

We probably won't, but I would but Sean would like the money anyway.

SPEAKER_02 2:19:12

Maybe like enact on that threat, I guess.

SPEAKER_07 2:19:16

If people just the it the the bit the the shrug heard around the world, as we're just like, we're not doing this anymore, and people would be like, eh. Alright, I mean well, fair enough.

SPEAKER_02 2:19:25

No, but like if you fair enough.

SPEAKER_07 2:19:27

But the donut review, maybe that will turn things around.

SPEAKER_02 2:19:29

Yeah, and I also I think um, you know, we will be buying the games if you want to send us Patreon money.

SPEAKER_07 2:19:36

That is absolutely not true, though, because I asked you to buy a game of the£1.10 I sent you, and you buy donuts with it.

SPEAKER_02 2:19:41

Yeah, I'm not gonna buy a£1.10 game, but you should buy a£1.10 game.

SPEAKER_07 2:19:45

What are you expecting? You want you want them to get us up to the point where we can afford£60 games. You've got to start low. Buy the£1.10 game.

SPEAKER_02 2:19:52

Alright, yeah. Next time I'll buy it.

SPEAKER_07 2:19:53

Alright, next time it's too late now, you spent it on donuts. Now we don't have any money. What are we gonna do?

SPEAKER_02 2:19:58

Well, like I would afford the donuts which like sort of get like more value as time went on, but sadly not.

SPEAKER_04 2:20:06

Sadly ate them.

SPEAKER_09 2:20:08

Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 2:20:08

Right. So the only money this podcast has ever had, we've spent it on donuts. It's a joke, man. What are we doing? I asked you to buy a fucking game, you didn't buy a fucking game.

SPEAKER_02 2:20:20

Yeah. But like I didn't have lunch and we had donuts, so that was good.

SPEAKER_07 2:20:24

Yeah, to be fair, I don't think we would have put out our Portsmouth review if you weren't energized by those delicious donuts.

SPEAKER_02 2:20:31

Oh no, I wouldn't have been able to play games if I'm honest.

SPEAKER_07 2:20:34

You talk about this every fucking month. You're like, oh, we need money because I want to buy some new games so that we can review them for the show. Yeah, by an opportunity you've had. I know the£1.10 games will be shit. Just get one anyway.

SPEAKER_02 2:20:44

Yeah, to be fair, like I like at some point I do want to be reviewing games that people have said as shit.

SPEAKER_07 2:20:49

Should we should we change the show so it's about donuts? Should we do donut review instead?

SPEAKER_02 2:20:54

Sean would love that, to be fair.

SPEAKER_07 2:20:56

Alright, well, look, if you do like the show, just go to Patreon and donate. And I promise next time Sean won't spend the money on donuts. I'll keep a tight leash on it.

SPEAKER_02 2:21:03

No, but yeah, we should probably cut that.

SPEAKER_07 2:21:05

We're not cutting that out, mate. People need to know.

SPEAKER_06 2:21:07

Um, also if if you can't uh no, I won't irresponsible. I was midway through a fucking sentence.

SPEAKER_02 2:21:12

No, but like just to uh just to chime in, I won't irresponsibly spend the money again. I'm sorry.

SPEAKER_07 2:21:19

Alright, well look, if you can't pay on Patreon or you don't want to, which is fair enough because Sean wastes the money on donuts, right? The then then do share this with a mate. Just uh I I d uh even if you're embarrassed that it's shit, and and let's be honest.

SPEAKER_02 2:21:33

Oh actually, to be fair, that's another thing we're spending money on, advertising.

SPEAKER_07 2:21:38

Where's£1.10 gonna get us?

SPEAKER_02 2:21:40

The irony, the i i the irony. The irony the irony of people not listening to the show, and then also like people sending money in so that we can advertise the show to get more listeners, yeah.

SPEAKER_07 2:21:52

Where are we gonna advertise?

SPEAKER_02 2:21:54

Um buy everywhere, really.

SPEAKER_07 2:21:56

Donut. Krispy Kreams.

SPEAKER_02 2:21:58

Like Facebook.

SPEAKER_07 2:21:58

Oh right. Alright, well that's it. Uh let's do go on to our final item with the sound test. Right, go on, let's go. Come on.

SPEAKER_06 2:22:17

Alright, um, do you want to read this out? Do I want to read your segment out? Um fucking lazy are you? Not very, I'd say.

SPEAKER_07 2:22:25

Somewhat, I'd say. Fucking donut munching. He's getting the fucking thing up on his phone. You didn't even have it ready.

SPEAKER_02 2:22:32

No, I didn't. One second, hang on.

SPEAKER_06 2:22:38

Video of Cat in the Hat playing.

SPEAKER_07 2:22:40

Um Why are you playing a video of Cat in the Hat?

SPEAKER_06 2:22:42

Why did you even have that ready on your phone? I don't know. Um Alright, uh sound test.

SPEAKER_07 2:22:49

I'll I'll play the jingle you fucking more, right?

SPEAKER_02 2:22:52

Alright, uh, this is a sound test for um the end of the podcast. And uh this time I'm gonna talk about uh one of the greatest game series of the 80s.

SPEAKER_07 2:23:04

Alright, Sean, this better be fucking good. I'm just gonna give you that. I'm just gonna tell you that now.

SPEAKER_02 2:23:09

So I want to get all my favourite musicians covered, really, and uh I've sort of Well we we did Racer X, didn't we?

SPEAKER_07 2:23:16

Famously a licensed shrimp we couldn't use.

SPEAKER_02 2:23:18

Um well I mean all my like gaming ones really. Um Yeah, so uh so we're gonna talk about one of the greatest series of the Merd Of Faggis uh Last Ninja 2. Um Last Ninja. Um so yeah, Last Ninja series. Um and um concentrate. I'm trying, but you keep pressing buttons. No, I'm not pressing those. I don't know where Mad of Fagg! I don't know where those sounds are coming. No, sorry, go on. Um we'll leave it on.

SPEAKER_07 2:23:53

No, Sean, you can't do your segment. I've actually seen one. I'm trying. Right, okay, go, go. Right, I'll do a sound. I'll do a sound to like bring you in, right? So you hype yourself up, but let's go.

SPEAKER_02 2:24:04

Um, so yeah. So the lot the uh last ninja series. Um yeah, one of the most successful series like of the time, like probably like the 80s and early 90s. Um a lot of people played it back then.

SPEAKER_07 2:24:19

It was a sequel to the first ninja, wasn't it?

SPEAKER_02 2:24:21

Uh yeah, no. Well, I mean it was the very last ninja, um, because he went through time and stuff like that. Right. You start out in Japan, uh in the second one, you're in New York. Um how did he get there? Um, I can't remember to be honest.

SPEAKER_07 2:24:37

Okay, no, go on, sorry.

SPEAKER_02 2:24:38

Um, but yeah, it was one of the first games I remember having a really good story. Um, it was a very sort of ambitious game, uh combat, puzzles, a large world in isometric view, cut scenes, um yeah, big like cutscenes, yeah, uh big sprites, big sprites. Big sprites, which are very rare for like the 80s, of course. That's true. Um one of the most famous parts of uh the game is its soundtrack, which was like nothing heard at the time, produced by Ben Daglish, and Anthony Lees was like uh executive producer. Uh Ben Daglish, oopsor, was no stranger to C64's complex rules. So he had like three different outputs of sounds on a C64, and you could only play like one sound at a time. So um Ben.

SPEAKER_07 2:25:27

So he actually pushed the hardware to new limits.

SPEAKER_02 2:25:29

Yeah, um, so he's one of the, yeah, basically, um he was one of the people that sort of made all these workarounds for it. Um and last ninja too. Uh Last Ninja, generally the series, um, was said to push that even further. Um, and um he sort of estimated um I found out actually sadly today that he died in 2018. Murdoch Fergin. Because I sort of it's sort of like um that sort of thing where uh alright.

SPEAKER_07 2:26:00

Sorry, no no no no no no. Look, I've got to be honest, this is one of the most interesting ones you've ever done. I'm sorry I pressed that.

SPEAKER_02 2:26:07

Yeah, because one of my favourite composers ever.

SPEAKER_07 2:26:09

I know, I'm sorry I pressed that button right after you said that. I forgot it was that one. I'm really sorry, that is the most disrespectful thing I've ever done. I'm really sorry. Right, sorry, go on. Um let me play a sound like a nice one.

SPEAKER_02 2:26:22

Um so yeah. Uh so with um I'm always sort of interested when I look at these old sort of soundtracks. Uh like looking sometimes you get like the actual people that created it coming back, like Barry Veach with uh legend. Um yeah, like uh he still comments on his own stuff a lot um and stuff like that. Um I was like looking around thinking, why isn't he commenting on his own stuff? And uh yeah, he died in 2018, sadly. But um legends, uh he was a legend. Um he uh yeah, he said 500 games on the C64 and um Wait he composed 500 games. Yeah, he po composed four five hundred games. Jesus! Yeah, uh legend. Um he inspired many musicians, such as Dragon Force, that's a huge uh fan base in Scandinavia, and uh well, like I said earlier, he uh laid the foundations for music on the C64. The last ninja series was apparently his favourite soundtrack that he worked on, and one of the most revered on the system.

SPEAKER_07 2:27:27

Sean, that was the best sound test you've ever done. Yeah, well, I thought I've shattered it a bit there, and I'm really sorry. But I was but but that was really good. That was super, super interesting. Well done, man.

SPEAKER_02 2:27:39

Thanks. Um, cheers, thanks.

SPEAKER_07 2:27:40

You've redeemed yourself. Um this is for you.

SPEAKER_02 2:27:42

And it's one of my favourite songs uh probably ever made. It's amazing. Yeah, truly. And I mean it was just brilliant for that. Um to be honest, I couldn't like there was so much more I could have said. Like uh even going back to like how the sound works on C64, like I could have gone into like like maybe an hour on it.

SPEAKER_07 2:28:00

But I feel like a bit like I ruined that.

SPEAKER_02 2:28:03

No, that's fine.

SPEAKER_07 2:28:04

Look, anyway, look, it was really good. I think that hopefully I'm really sorry, but we are limited for time here. Uh we do have the go. But uh Sean, that was really good. That was good work, that was actually interesting, and also there's a very specific sound to Amiga music that a lot of people are probably not familiar with, and C64, sorry.

SPEAKER_02 2:28:24

Yeah, yeah, yeah, and that as well, yeah. Both.

SPEAKER_06 2:28:26

So um, yeah, uh what's the song called? Uh Central Park, Last Ninja 2. Uh right, I've been Harrison Hunt.

SPEAKER_02 2:28:34

I've been Sean Hunt.

SPEAKER_07 2:28:36

And remember that we don't know what we're talking about, but neither do you. This is Central Park from Last Ninja 2. Mega Fague.