Emotional Breakthroughs | Beyond The Gates June 22nd to 26th, 2026

Ma and Daughter chat about the daytime soap Beyond The Gates from June 22nd to 26th: 

• Liver Transplant succeeds
• Kat dreams she is in Eva’s shoes
• Kat and Eva come to an agreement
• Kat knows she will collect her debts from Leslie
• Iziah over steps with Leslie and Eva
• Tomas wants to marry Kat 
• Nicole, Ted, Chelsea and Naomi agree Kat shouldn’t marry Tomas
• Kat and Eva’s PT turn competitive 
• Deanna talks to Doug and comes up with a plan for her mother and Joey

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Transcript

SPEAKER_00 0:10

Hi everybody and welcome back to our podcast about Beyond the Gates. If you are new, welcome. So this week, I think a lot of cat fans were very upset. I know mom is Team Cat, so we're gonna talk about the whole transplant first. So the transplant goes through. It's a success. Eva wakes up first, and I don't blame her reaction when she wakes up because you know she shouldn't sleep for what a day or two, probably. And then she wakes up and it's like, yeah, you were hurt. Cat saved your life. She likes, huh? Who? What? So I was on her side with that, but I liked how she was hoping that Kat was okay. Of course, Kat had a little bit of complications, but she did have a dream. And I and I feel like Colby Nixon did great with this because I loved her one liners that she was saying. Because I thought it was funny when everybody was talking and it was like she wasn't there, but that's how it is in her reality, I feel like. Like if she says something, no one's really listening to her. So I hope Kat gets some kind of therapy for that. Because her family just don't listen to her. Now it's probably the way that she does it. At some point, you kind of block out that that kind of noise. But what was your thoughts on the dream sequence, especially when Eva used used her words against her?

SPEAKER_01 1:42

I didn't like it.

SPEAKER_00 1:45

You want to elaborate? You want to elaborate on why you didn't like it? You're like, I am.

SPEAKER_01 1:51

I just didn't like it. I just did not like the whole dream part of it. That's this is the first time since Beyoncé's been on. It was just something I just did not like that they did. And this was one of them. I just did not like the whole dream thing.

SPEAKER_00 2:07

I thought it was a way for Kat and Eva to move forward differently. I think maybe some of the fans got tired of the same old conversation. Oh, I hate you, I hate you, you this, you that, you this, you that. And I feel like with the dream, it had Kat realize that she was holding on to this hate for so long to the point that it was consuming her a bit. You you don't have to forget a person and what they've done, but you forgive for yourself. And I feel like with that dream, she was realizing how awful she was being, which she had a reason to, but I think she realized how much it was consuming her and messing up her relationships with her family. So I think it was a way for Bianca Geges to just have it go quickly, but not to have it where they are going to be sisters. Because I love the scene between Kat and Eva. And Eva did admit she was like, I've been thinking about my relationship with you and how everything went down. And she apologized to Cad. And Cal also said sorry too, because they've been tiffat for over a year. And I think the writers were like, let's try to push this along, but but not like have it be like they are automatically sisters, you know. But I thought Amber Michelle and Kobe Nixon did wonderful in their scene. I watched it twice because it was just so emotional to see that. I did like how Kat was like, even though we're okay, we're never going to be sisters. You could tell Eva was hurt, but she understood because she does she done way too much towards Kat and her family. But you know, Kat doesn't need Eva as a sister. She has Chelsea for that. Chelsea is her sister, so she doesn't need another one. Now, if Eva wanted a sister, I say Naomi. And I say that because you know they both are dating, well, one is married, one is dating to the Hawthorns. So and and and and also Eva and Naomi can bond over in Darlene. Because that she Darlene's a trip. So I feel like if Eva really want that kind of sister relationship, I think Naomi would be a good choice. She's older, she has more life experience, she has experience still with Darlene. So I feel like that that would be better. But I know cat fans are mad about this whole dream sequence. But mom, as a cat fan, wouldn't you want Kat to move on from all this hate?

SPEAKER_01 4:53

Oh, yeah. I mean, absolutely. I just didn't care for the dream thing itself. I thought, like you said, it has some funny um one-liners in there from Kat, but I just didn't care for the dream thing at all. I like the conversation that they had after, like you were saying, you know, I'm glad that they held hands at the end too. I thought that was very emotional, very sweet of them. But I think it makes sense that, hey, yeah, I say your life, but we're not gonna be close with each other though. Yeah, um, and then like I'm glad Eva told her I would think that if it was reversed, I would have saved your life as well. So I did like that because now, like Ter said, maybe they can finally maybe be in the room and be civilized with each other without, you know, tearing each other apart. So I I agree with that. They don't have to be besties, but just be a little bit more civil to one another. Because both of them, to me, well, Kat is to me, she's always been innocent. She didn't start it. Um, Eva was the one, her mama kind of did this in the first place. So I thought it was good that they at least came to some kind of agreement with the way you're gonna be with each other going forth.

SPEAKER_00 6:10

One thing I did notice is how crappy Ted is. Because even in the dream, he was crappy. But we have to remember from Leslie's point of view, she's with Ted, and he's probably saying, Oh, we're gonna be together, I'm gonna leave my wife, blah, blah, blah. And then Nicole gets pregnant, and then Leslie allegedly is pregnant. I'm gonna say allegedly because I still think Eva and Kat are twins. So she's pregnant, or or maybe she was, but she, you know, lost lost the young child. And then he tells her take out the the um baby, and then send Bill. You know, Bill, we all know how he is, had threatened her life. So from Leslie's point of view, that like woman's scorn was developed over 20 years. She probably was afraid to reach out because of Bill and all that, and then she came back with vengeance. So I understand Leslie being how she is. Of course, I don't condone her trying to take out Laura, of course, but I understand like why she is the way she is. And even though Eva and Leslie have a toxic mother-daughter relationship mostly because of Leslie, I can understand why Eva tries to protect her mother because that's been her right or die. And she's been told since forever that her father did not want her, which is pretty much true. I felt like we got a little bit more insight to everyone's background and we saw Nicole being kind of like drunk and all that, kind of being out there. I thought that was fun to see. But Ted is not a great father because Eva told him, while me and Kat are trying to recover, spend more time with Kat. Like, how many times people have to tell Ted to step up as a father?

SPEAKER_01 8:01

Yeah, I mean, because he he focused so much attention on Eva that he kind of did neglect, well, it's not kind of, he did neglect Kat and Martin. He did neglect them to get to know Eva. I I see him trying to turn that around now, though. And I think he's just trying to be a father to all three of his kids at this point. And it must be hard for him because he has to balance three of them. Where it was probably easy for him when it was just Kat and Martin, you know, he raised them. But now you got a third one in there that now you have to try to balance out all of that. And it's gotta, I mean, to be fair to Ted, it gotta be kind of hard because, you know, sometimes kids are like, you love love her more, love me more. You know, you get into that kind of stuff. So I think as for Ted, I think it's probably very hard though for him to try to find that balance between the three. So nobody is feeling like he doesn't love them or he left them out or something like that. I think the biggest issue I had with Ted in the beginning with Eva, and Kat was he just wasn't listening to Kat to me, and he was always siding with Eva. I think now he is starting to listen to Kat and understand her a little bit more and not just jumping down her throat. So I I say Ted has improved. I see growth with him.

SPEAKER_00 9:23

I don't know, I think Ted still sucks. Well, next up, we have a very interesting conversation between Kat and Leslie. Now I feel like Leslie, it felt awkward to me. I felt like when she said she was gonna pay her debts, it felt like she was gonna be obsessed with Kat in a way. Did you feel that way?

SPEAKER_01 9:46

No, I didn't feel that way. I I was paying more attention to what Kat said to Leslie about collecting that debt because I found that to be interesting. She was starting to sound like joy to me when she said that.

SPEAKER_00 10:01

Yeah, that's true. I mean, I I wonder what Kat wants from Leslie. Would it be about Laura? Like confessing.

SPEAKER_01 10:08

I don't, she's not gonna confess. Absolutely not. Yeah, Leslie's not crazy like that. She's not gonna confess. Um, I don't know what that's gonna be. We'll know down the road, but that was that was interesting at you know, this scene at the end. So we know something's gonna come that she has to say, I'm collecting now.

SPEAKER_00 10:27

Yeah, it's just I don't know. The whole scene felt kind of awkward to me. Leslie was giving off like I'ma stalk you vibes. I don't know. It just felt kind of weird to me. But speaking of weird, we have Tomas. This guy. I I don't know. I feel like when the the priests look at Tomas, they give him the side eye. Like we just tolerating you because you're with Kat, but we don't really approve of you and Kat together. I feel like every time anybody talks to him, looks at him, they just get kind of like, uh.

SPEAKER_01 10:59

I mean, because he don't know Kat. So I was annoyed with him because he wants to marry her.

SPEAKER_00 11:05

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 11:05

And he went to Chelsea first to talk about it. Uh but Chelsea, yeah, Chelsea was trying to tell him, like, this is not the right time. She just went through a lot trying to help uh Eva. And he's like, No, I I think it'd be okay. And well, it's like, are you listening? I'm annoyed with him with his character because to me, he's not listening. He's not basically reading the room, and he needs to wait and let Kat um breathe from coming, you know, from dealing with all of this. That was a lot for her to go through in a short amount of time. She went through the tornado, she saw her sister, you know, hurt, and then she had to make a life and death decision to help her sister that she can't stand. It's that's a lot, and now he wants to pile on more and say, Let's get married. Like, come on, no. And Ted was like, he didn't get his blessing if you notice that.

SPEAKER_00 12:00

No, he didn't. He was looking at him sideways because he, I mean, Ted can't talk much, which he did say because he messed up his marriage, but he's like, You saw it with her sister before y'all even got. I mean, hold on, you saw it with her sister, like the first what, six months y'all together, and now you want to marry her because all these emotions he thinks it's just such a wonderful idea. And it's like, no, it's not a wonderful idea. Kat was just kind of pressuring to give it part of her liver to someone she cannot stand, she has to recover. She can't go to Tokyo now because she has to recover. It's is it's a lot. She don't have time to be like, oh, Tomas, yeah, sure. It's I I feel like Kat might say yes. And because because they put to do it at the grands and their family's gonna be there. I think she's gonna say yes, but deep down she doesn't want to. Because Chelsea already talked to Kat. Kat's like, we ain't nowhere near race to get married, because they haven't even moved in. Kat wanted to move in, he said no, it wasn't the right time. Now all of a sudden you want to get married. I hope she said no, and that's what Ted was saying too. It's like, didn't you reject her from moving in? You know, I mean, at the time, maybe Kat just wanted not to be alone. That's possible, but still, like, y'all haven't really moved forward that much and it's been over a year. Come on, Tomas. Uh yeah, I I do agree with Ted and Nicole, because he, you know, had had told her about Nicole's like, what? Like, no, she's not writing for that. So even Nicole was like, I don't know, but but Nicole and Ted were like, we staying out of it though. It's it's between them. They have to figure out. I felt like Chelsea maybe could have given her a heads up because I feel like once she finds out that Ted, Nicole, and Chelsea knew she's gonna be mad at them for not giving her a heads up.

SPEAKER_01 14:07

No, I think nope, I think I had to think about that, and I was like, Chelsea should just, like you said, give her a heads up. I think Chelsea actually did the right thing and stayed out of it, like Nicole said, you know, just stay out of it because it's between those two. And you could tell Chelsea wanted to say something really bad to her, but I think Chelsea was like, This is between them two, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 14:29

Everybody knows it's not gonna work, it's not gonna happen. But every time they be dealing with Tomoth, they just like, oh, here he comes. Yeah, I mean, they would not care for him.

SPEAKER_01 14:41

Because even um Naomi, when she showed up with Arthur Jeans when he was talking to Chelsea, even she was like, Yeah, no, it's just not like a good time, you know, because of everything that's going on. But he just, oh no, it's gonna be great. It's gonna, it's like, dude, read the room, not listen, no, it's not, give it some more time, and then you know, ask her, you know.

SPEAKER_00 15:01

Yeah, no, he's I I'll be shocked if she says, I'm not sure. Because if she says yes, I feel like she wouldn't mean it. If she says no, it'd be kind of embarrassing because it's a friend of the family.

SPEAKER_01 15:16

I would say no, I wouldn't care if it is embarrassing. Because I I think we down she don't want to marry him.

SPEAKER_00 15:21

No.

SPEAKER_01 15:22

So I I I I would be like, I'm sorry, but no. And if it embarrassed him, then too bad.

SPEAKER_00 15:27

So well, hopefully, if she does say no, the sister time to break up. I would love for them to break up now. I think we all bored of Kat and Tomas being together. So maybe this is the start of them breaking up. Hmm. It's very possible. I'm just gonna throw it out there because why not?

SPEAKER_01 15:53

I hope so because I feel like Kat needs somebody to match her energy. And he, I mean, he's kind of good for her though, because I did like how they talk about what she likes, which is the um, what do you call that?

SPEAKER_00 16:05

This true true crime podcast. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 16:09

So that much I would say they kind of, you know, have in common with some of that. But other than that, I'm just like, no, I think they will have to change him a little bit from me to be like, okay, I see it, you know. I don't see it. Like with Isaiah and um Eva, I can kind of see them, you know. But with Kat and Tomas, I've never seen them to get I didn't, like I said, they didn't change them up for I think the fans to be like, okay, you know, we see it now, but I'm not seeing that.

SPEAKER_00 16:40

Well, speaking of Isaiah and Eva, so Leslie wants to move in with Eva. She did on this boo-hoo and crying, oh, I'm at the hotel. Oh my god, but Eva's like, I don't care, no, I'm not, no. And I'm glad Eva put her foot down and said, No, now Isaiah did intervene. What were your thoughts on Isaiah in this whole conversation?

SPEAKER_01 17:01

He needs to learn his role. Um, he stepped in when he shouldn't have. I'm glad Leslie kind of looked at him too and kind of fussed at him about it because I'm like, yeah, that conversation was between him, I mean, between Leslie and Eva, and he needed to see his way out that conversation. He he hasn't been with her long enough to start talking on her behalf. That's how I looked at it. Yeah, and I was like, learn your role because y'all not married yet. Learn your role. So to me, that was between Leslie and Eva that um kind of hashed that out. So I didn't like how he was like, I understood his point. I did not disagree with it, I did, but it's like, dude, learn your your place. That conversation was between them two.

SPEAKER_00 17:45

I feel like he was trying to help Eva out as backup. I thought Eva was doing fine. E was like, no, no, mom, no mama. Just come over once a day. You have to call first, and you can come on over. But the main reason she wants to live there is because she know Ted's gonna be over there. Let's be real. Because she know Ted gonna be over there, like, oh hey, Eva. And then here comes Leslie with some lingerie on or something. Oh, hey, Teddy. That's all that's about.

SPEAKER_01 18:15

I was glad that Eva did stand up for herself and tell her no. But she she needs to talk to Iselle, like, look here. If there's something going on between me and my mama, that's between me and my mama. Now, if it's really bad, then okay, step in, okay, but I can handle my mama. You know what I mean at that. But I yeah, I didn't I didn't like that.

SPEAKER_00 18:34

I I think he's just very overprotective.

SPEAKER_01 18:38

Yeah, he's overly protective. I would not like protective.

SPEAKER_00 18:42

And for and then his conversation with Eve, where he was like, Yeah, you know, we did have our talk, you know, me and Kat, but she says we'll never be sister. And then he's like, Well, that's crazy because y'all went through experience. I'm like Isaiah, you're not cool with your father, right? You saying they need to be cool, they know each other for last for a little over a year, but you know your father all your life, and you're saying, Oh, well, Kat's not being fair. Really, Isaiah, he's losing some brownie points the past couple of weeks. Yeah, he has like, what's going on with Isaiah? I think he's a little crazy.

SPEAKER_01 19:16

Well, he loves well to me, he loves her, but he's like overly doing stuff, and it's like, dude, calm that down. Like, was this how you was with the other girl before you came to town? And maybe that's why she broke up because you're a little cray cray.

SPEAKER_00 19:30

You know, it's like what's going on. Yeah, that's what I was thinking. Maybe that's why Leslie likes him, because she's a little cray cray herself. I feel like we're gonna see Isaiah a bit more in a different light because he's starting to come off a little, he's doing a little bit too much. I don't say he loves Eva, but I don't know, it just seems kind of a seems a little bit off to me now since the whole transplant happened. And next we got Kat and Eva doing PT. I thought it was interesting that Kyle was Kat's PT. I guess he's trying to get some brownie points with Nicole and it's working. Then you have Shanice helping out Eva. I thought the scene at the nursing station was funny because everybody's like, Katy Eva, they like, was y'all shut up. Like, like leave us alone. And then they both competed with the walk.

SPEAKER_01 20:24

It was funny.

SPEAKER_00 20:25

I was like, who wrote this? That was hilarious.

SPEAKER_01 20:29

It was funny because I um, because um it was Eva was like, I'm trying to, I'm trying, what'd she say? I'm trying to compete or whatever, like I can't help it. You know what it's supposed to cause the cat. I was cracking up. The whole scene was funny. I loved it.

SPEAKER_00 20:45

I definitely think they're twins. That's that's how I feel about it. But I look forward to more scenes of them doing PT. If that's the way they are going to do it, who knows? But I think it'll be fun. And we'll see more Kyle because I like I like seeing Kyle. Greg Vaughn, you look so handsome.

SPEAKER_01 21:05

I know. I'm I'm glad that they pair him with Nicole for now. But I do like them together.

SPEAKER_00 21:11

Yeah, we haven't seen Nicole with Carlton. They had a phone call, but we haven't had them had any scenes together. I but the actor that plays Carlton is still in another show. So maybe that's why.

SPEAKER_01 21:25

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 21:25

It it could be that, but it's it's all good. And lastly, we had Deanna is in town. She went to see Kat. And then she and then she saw Vanessa and Joey talking at Uptown. And then she has this full blown conversation with her father in public. I'm looking like, ain't nobody crossing by seeing this was what I was thinking. But Doug pretty much told her, change what you're doing. Stop stop going against your mom. And the way she came up. And then she grabbed Joey. And she grabbed him, but like, no, sit down. I'm like, okay, Deanna. And then she hugging Vanessa and like patting her hair and had this weird look on her face. I was like, what is going on, Deanna? So what were your thoughts on Deanna talking to her father again?

SPEAKER_01 22:18

One, he looks great. He is a very handsome man on Doug. But yeah, I thought somebody might see her talking to herself. Um, because we the audience know she's talking to herself basically. So I thought somebody would see that, but no, it's gonna be interesting to see how she plays it. I think Doug gave her good advice, though, what to do, but I think Joy is clocking it though, because Joy is not stupid. Um, so I think he's clocking all of a sudden the niceness that she's doing. But yeah, when she hugged Vanessa and she was like like petting her hair and she was looking.

SPEAKER_00 22:55

And I was like, what is going on in her face especial?

SPEAKER_01 22:58

She had a weird look on her face. I was like, oh, Deanna, okay, but the person is playing her, I like her so far. I really do. Yeah, she's doing a good job, but Joey not stupid, so he's gonna figure out that she's up to something. And and didn't you say that he told Randy to watch her or something?

SPEAKER_00 23:18

Yep, yeah. He's like, Your job is to look after, well, look after Deanna. It seemed like Deanna and Randy might know each other because they hugged, and I'm like, how do they, yeah? I'm like, how do they know each other? So that's gonna be intriguing for me to watch that, and then we have Kat's surprise party at the Grants, and Tomaz is going to propose, unfortunately. And then we have Monica telling Leslie that the free clinic and Garland's relationship is over. What do you think Leslie is gonna do about that?

SPEAKER_01 23:57

I don't know, and I'm wondering why she ended our relationship because Leslie didn't do anything wrong, so I don't understand why she's gonna end that relationship. That's gonna be interesting to see why Monica's telling her that.

SPEAKER_00 24:13

Yeah, and my question is who was watching the clinic? Because Eva can't work right now. So who's who's taking over the the clinic?

SPEAKER_01 24:21

Right.

SPEAKER_00 24:22

Who's dealing with with the schedule? You know, like what's going on with with all that. I don't know. It sounds like the the the free clinic might go downhill, or maybe she would ask like Vanessa for help, or go to um Joey.

SPEAKER_01 24:40

Yeah, maybe Joey or something's something, yeah, because it might might help out.

SPEAKER_00 24:47

I don't know.

SPEAKER_01 24:48

I mean, because all Leslie stuff is falling apart. I mean her house got messed up because of the tornado, and yeah, she's about to go through some bad um luck stuff going on down here.

SPEAKER_00 24:58

Yeah, cheerless. But the one thing I was surprised about was the country clubs back up, like nothing happened.

SPEAKER_01 25:05

Yeah, I was surprised.

SPEAKER_00 25:06

I thought we would have got a new country club or something different. No, it was like never happened.

SPEAKER_01 25:11

Yeah, I was kind of surprised when I was like, okay, all right, Beyond the Gates.

SPEAKER_00 25:15

I guess I'm just gonna keep everything the same. It's alright. Well, that's our take for Beyond and Gates this week. Thank you so much for listening, and I hope you have an awesome week. Until next time.

SPEAKER_01 25:29

Bye everyone.