Stubborn Bill and Leslie vs Haley | Beyond The Gates July 13th to 17th, 2026

Ma and Daughter chat about the daytime soap Beyond The Gates from July 13th to 17th: 

• Bill checks out of the hospital
• Naomi and Chelsea are concerned about Bill
• Naomi and Jacob visit Monica and Naomi tells her cousins and her about the BRCA gene
• Dani and Andre have their 1st disagreement 
• Deanna invites Vanessa and Joey out for dinner
• Joey ask Randy to keep an eye on Deanna
• Tomas vs Naomi
• Bill and Tomas exchange words
• Dani and Hailey get into it
• Ted and Eva bump heads with Leslie
• Leslie vs Haley
• Joey finds Doug's letter to Vanessa

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Transcript

SPEAKER_00 0:10

Welcome back, everybody, to our podcast. If you are new, welcome. If you are one of our regulars, we thank you. Please leave a like and subscribe. Let's get into it. First up, Bill. Bill was admitted to the hospital. Are we surprised? No, because Haley's trying to unalive him.

SPEAKER_03 0:31

Yeah. And Haley could care a lot. She's like, when is he gonna go? She is over. I mean, she she's been over for a month, though. She's been over for a long time. But I I was a little bit annoyed that Danny showed up. Because she kept saying, I'm not gonna show up, I'm not gonna show up. And she ends up going up there. I fast forward.

SPEAKER_00 0:51

So that scene with her Andre was crazy. So she's kind of reverting back to how it was based on what he's saying before they got married, you know, when they used to do these hookups and she'd be, you know, mad at Bill. So Andre was feeling the waves. He was kind of like, you know, oh, slow down, what you doing? You know, and then Danny, I think, was feeling worse and worse. But then Danny also felt like maybe it was him because of the whole brocket gene that she has, because Andre was looking into women that went ahead and had the mastectomies, is that what you call it? Yeah, yeah, like double mastectomies. So he was kind of looking into that before Danny came in, and then she ended up wanting to see what he was looking at. So he went ahead and let her look looked at it. So she was kind of was filling the ways. I think she was dealing with two things though. I think one, it was the fact that maybe she felt like he maybe didn't find her attractive or was scared to touch her because of what's going on. And then the other thing is her guilt from her banging, you know, Bill in an elevator doing a tornado. So I think it was two things, but I think she gotta calm that down because Andre might start figuring out that something's up with her and Bill for sure, based on her behavior and stuff. I just think she should come clean and just tell Andre the truth. I mean, yeah, he's gonna probably go off on her, walk out on her. I don't know if he'll come back, but I think she should just tell him the truth and then it'll relieve her guilt because she's she's definitely have a lot of guilt.

SPEAKER_03 2:15

How long have they been married?

SPEAKER_00 2:18

Almost a year, I believe. Because remember, she's gonna own Joy money if it don't work out. And I think her year is coming up, I think next month.

SPEAKER_03 2:25

Yeah, I'm just thinking, like, just rip the band-aid off and just tell them it's better for Andre to hear from her than Bill, because you know Bill wants to tell Andre about it. And Bill, he's just a typical guy. He's in the hospital, like, I don't want to be here anymore. I hate hospital. When we that's how Bill is. And Chelsea and they only trying to keep him there. Haley just like, well, it's up to him if he wants to stay or not. And they're looking at her like, are you serious? They were so tired of Haley. And when he checked himself out against doctors, uh, what's it called?

SPEAKER_00 3:06

Orders.

SPEAKER_03 3:06

Yeah, orders. Chelsea calls Haley. Haley just like, okay, whatever. She does not care whatsoever. She is ready for him to drop. She is because she's been at this con for what, two, three years now. She is over it. She wants him gone.

SPEAKER_00 3:21

Haley, listen, Haley is a mess because she had me cracking up though. When um Chelsea told her, well, he can't be like overly, you know, like exerting himself. She's like, noted. And she went back there and was trying to throw it on him to get him to over-exert himself. I was cracking up. I said, Haley, she ain't right. She ain't right. She don't care.

SPEAKER_03 3:42

And I I don't blame her. Isn't she because it's it's hard to be a wife of Bill Hamilton. We see how Bill Hamilton is. I could not be with him. I think I would probably have done the same thing that that Haley's doing. She it's like I understand what she's doing. It's wrong, of course, but at the same time, I'm like, Bill kind of deserves it because he's just a cocky SOB at times. And some days I'm like, Haley, I hope you win. Others, I'm like, Haley, you're you're wrong. I don't know. I think I kind of flip-flop with her, but I thought the scene with Naomi Chelsea and Kat was funny. Because they always going off on her, and Hayes is like, whatever. I don't care. I'm here for my facial. I don't care about you, depre. She just she does not care whatsoever.

SPEAKER_00 4:30

No, she don't.

SPEAKER_03 4:32

I thought it was funny.

SPEAKER_00 4:33

She's over it.

SPEAKER_03 4:35

She's been over there for months. I don't get why nobody attends is going. It's like it it's uh, but it's not on high alert. She doesn't care, not showing that she really does give a damn, and he's not feeling well. Nobody thought maybe she's poisoning him, or it's like it never crossed their mind or anything.

SPEAKER_00 4:55

Like no, because you know why? Because no, because she she plays it up pretty good, though. Yeah, because she's like, Oh, Bill, you need to go. I mean, she's not telling him not to go to the hospital, she's telling him to go there, you know, in front of them. I see why they're not suspecting her yet, because she she plays it up pretty good. Yeah, that's true, that's true. I just feel and the Oscar goes to Haley, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 5:20

Yeah, that is true because she is because she does switch very easily, and we saw that with her and Leslie. I love the scene between them, because Leslie is all like, yeah, my teddy bear, my this and my that, and he's my Haley's like, what the hell are you talking about? She could not fall, she was like, whatever. And then at some point, Leslie's like, Well, you made me your enemy. The way Haley grabbed her, she grabs her heart. She grabbed her heart, was like, B, don't try me. I was like, dang. So between Haley and Leslie, who would you think will win? Haley. I was like, let's get ready to rubber. I feel like between the two of them, Leslie. And I say this because Leslie can do a lot of stuff on her own. She don't really need help. With Haley, she's turning to Randy so many times with stuff. And I feel like between the two, if they were to do a cat and mouse game, I feel like Leslie will win over Haley.

SPEAKER_00 6:25

Well, see, I say Haley because Haley has Randy.

SPEAKER_03 6:29

Yeah, that's true. And look at what happened to Lynette.

SPEAKER_00 6:32

We still don't know what happened to her.

SPEAKER_03 6:34

So Yeah, we don't know what happened to her. Yeah, I mean, I don't know, because Leslie could have an ally, and that could be Joey. But Joey will stay out of it, though.

SPEAKER_00 6:43

Yeah, he's yeah, he's not gonna get out of it.

SPEAKER_03 6:44

Yeah, he he will stay out of it. But I I don't know. I feel like Leslie is more on her toes about self. Because like when Haley and Randy were talking, Randy told her, like, you need a lab tech. My first thought was Grayson.

SPEAKER_00 6:59

Me too.

SPEAKER_03 7:00

I was like, Grayson better not be part of the storyline after what he just went through. And he also has a part-time gift. I don't see the point of him being part of it, but they could have like an off-screen lab person. But I I feel like with Haley, she don't think things through. Yeah, she got Randy there, but Randy's always cleaning up her mess. At some point, he won't be able to help her out. I feel like with Leslie, she can do a lot of stuff on her own. And who knows what else she has done in the past before she came to Spare Mot Crest.

SPEAKER_00 7:37

Well, well, and we can say that about Haley too, because we don't know her fullback.

SPEAKER_03 7:41

Yeah, that's sure. Uh I don't know. Between uh, I have no idea.

SPEAKER_00 7:46

But if you look at if you look at the history, what little history we have with her and Lynette, when Lynette's character was on here, they ain't nothing to play with. It sounds like back in the day. So that's how Haley kind of put Leslie on notice. Like, I'm not who you think I am. But Leslie already knows that. Yeah. But I think Leslie don't know how deep Haley actually her reach can go because she don't know that she got um Randy in her pocket. That's her cousin. Nobody knows that though.

SPEAKER_03 8:17

Well, Leslie could have somebody that we don't know yet either. It's possible. But like I said, Leslie can do a lot of stuff on her own. And if she does see like Randy and Haley kind of together, she could take out Randy and then just deal with Haley.

SPEAKER_00 8:33

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 8:34

That's very possible. She be like, oh, you want to play these games? Well, it has to be 1v1, no partners or anything like that. And I I feel like that's how Leslie just is. She goes toe-to-toe with you. So uh I don't know.

SPEAKER_00 8:49

I don't know. But but you know what? It looks good right now. If if they go at it, I think it'll make for good soap. But at the same time, I think those two are somehow gonna come together.

SPEAKER_03 8:59

Yeah, I think so. I think so. Because they both don't like Bill. They they don't like Bill, they can't stand the Duprees either. I think at some point maybe Haley's in a tight spot, Leslie will help her out. Yep. I think that's what's gonna happen. Haley wants to help her out, but I think Leslie would just to say, you owe me.

SPEAKER_01 9:22

Right.

SPEAKER_03 9:23

Because Leslie is all about that. I don't know, folks. Let us know who you think will would win, Leslie or Haley. I think it would be very fun to watch. Well, I switched up to Naomi telling Chelsea Kat and Martin about the Brock jean. She has it, she ripped the band-aid off. Naomi style. She was like, I'm not gonna show her coda. I have the gene. Chelsea was in her feelings, and I don't blame her. She's stressed out. She has her fiance going through a lawsuit. Her father is in the hospital. Now he's out of the hospital. Her mother has to jean. Her sister has to gene. She is stressed to the max. So I don't blame Chelsea for just freaking out because there's so much going on. And then her grandmother just finished having surgery. It's a lot. I I feel like maybe some people thought she was whining too much. But if like five of your family members going through some stuff, you'd be stressed to the max as well. So do you think Chelsea was like overreacting? Do you think she was she was making it about herself too much?

SPEAKER_00 10:30

No, she wasn't making it about herself. She was concerned about everybody involved. So she had a right to feel the way that she felt. My only concern is people just can't make people do what they don't want to do. And I felt like that's what Andre wanted for Danny was to do the surgery so that he knows he has her. But I understood Andre's point once he explained it, and it was because of the loss of his parents. And he doesn't want to lose Danny to that. And then let's get into this now with Jacob and Naomi. I thought it was good the scenes when they went to see Monica. I thought that was very educational.

SPEAKER_02 11:11

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 11:11

But I felt that way with Jacob too. I think Jacob doesn't want Naomi to do anything, but that's her choice. You know, if she does go through with having surgeries and things like that. I think Jacob needed to be honest with her, and he wasn't. No. Because clearly he he still wants kids. And he almost freaked out when they started talking about her ovaries coming out, things like that. You know, his directomy. So I think that he needs to be honest with her, especially before she makes a major um decision like that. And then they need to talk about it. But at the end of the day, it's her choice what she does to her body.

SPEAKER_03 11:52

I think what he would like to compromise on is that if she does go through this, get her ex frozen. I think that's what he would want. So that if Naomi does change her mind, she still has her ex. And they can use a surrogate if they choose to. I think that's where Jacob should approach it from, just in case they change her mind. Because her having surgery, that's a big step. And it could change her. She might think, well, maybe I I do want kids, you know. That's very possible. I'm not sure. But if I was Jacob, I'll I'll be honest and then just say, if you do change your mind right now, you say you don't, but maybe you will at least get your ex frozen. And if she says no, then he has to take it as is. You know, and I feel like with Jacob, he's trying to be supportive, but he has his limits too. And that's a lot to take in when your spouse says they want to do all these surgeries. Each surgery has its own risk. And I think Jacob is just thinking about yes, this these surgeries can help prevent this, but it could cause other problems too. Because I think she said uh Monica said that she has to be on um hormones because you you because you can go through menopause sooner. I was like, for real? So is it a lot there?

SPEAKER_00 13:23

Bone loss, all kind of stuff.

SPEAKER_03 13:24

Yeah, yeah. So I think Jacob is thinking, like, well, if you do this, it helps with this, but then you're adding on these other things. It's a very tough choice to make. And I understand both sides of that. For me, I don't know what I would do. No idea. No idea what I'll do. I think I'll just do what Danny's doing.

SPEAKER_00 13:47

I would too. I'm I would follow Danny's thing because you're being tested and told you have the gene, but that doesn't mean that you're gonna end up with it. And that's kind of what Monica was getting at, too. So I would just have to roll the dice and not have to do all those things like that to myself, but to each his own, because some people just might be like very fearful of it and say, no, I don't even want to take the risk um of getting it, you know, and then you know, it's not good after that. But I agree with you, I would probably take the route Danny's on, but just go in like I'm supposed to for all my screenings. I wouldn't miss a screening, um, especially with being tested for something like that. And then the first sign of trouble, then I'll start saying, okay, let's let's do this surgery, let's, you know, then maybe go ahead and do all of that those things. Because wouldn't it be nice if they can live a full life and and it never reaches them? Yeah. You know.

SPEAKER_03 14:45

Yeah. I I think Naomi's just scared of what her grandmother went through. It's another is I think when it's in your face, you start to think about your own life and the um options that you have. But I think with Naomi, she's thinking, I don't want to go through this of what my grandmother went through. But she's I think she started thinking about the effects of it as well. Whereas I think Jacob is probably thinking about that area. So I do hope that they do talk more about it, because it's it's a hard choice to make. And it it is her body too. So whatever she chooses, I'm for it. I'm just wondering what the side effects of doing that would be. I'm very curious if me if the writers will go down that route. I don't know. I I think it's a very educational because I didn't think about if you if you did have surgery, you need to have a hysterectomy as well. That's a lot to take out of you. You know, that's I yeah, I I I think I I think I was cat when she was like, Yeah, I probably have odd surgery. Cat's like, whoa, like that's that's a lie. I feel like I feel like I was cat.

SPEAKER_00 16:05

Oh yeah, I mean for sure. I think the storyline that they're doing is very educational. I'm learning things just sitting there watching it. But and I think Monica said that you can go through all that and still get it. And I was like, what? Yeah, so yes, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 16:20

So I feel like some people it's like, well, I'm willing to try. Or be like, well, then what's the point? I'm also just keep everything, and if it happens, it happens. If it doesn't, it doesn't. I don't know. I I I think that's pretty hard. I wonder what Beyond the Gates fans would do. Would you have surgery or would you wouldn't have surgery? So uh let us know if you want us to know about it. Okay, let's switch scares to Naomi and Tomas. Between the two, who do you think will win?

SPEAKER_00 16:51

Naomi.

SPEAKER_03 16:52

For sure. For sure. I've I is it weird to say I felt a little bit of chemistry between them.

SPEAKER_00 16:59

I didn't.

SPEAKER_03 17:00

I felt a little bit there. I don't know why. I felt just a little bit there. I was like, hmm, maybe those two could probably get together. I don't know. Um you're like, absolutely not. Well, well, Tomaz, he was being a bit of an a-hole this week towards Naomi. And I understood his point of view or just the way he went about it.

SPEAKER_00 17:24

Because he let he let Haley manipulate him like that. Oh yeah, oh yeah, for sure. So that had that that got under my skin. I'm like, Tomaz, ain't you supposed to be a lawyer big time now with Bill? And you letting Haley manipulate you like this, and his whole tone with Naomi, it was ridiculous. I'm just like, you know, that's her father, and he owns the company, and he can slide her in there anytime he gets ready to do so. Yeah, but he I like he entitled, like he supposed to have this because he's working for Bill and he busted his butt. At the end of the day, that's his daughter. She overrides everything. Yeah, yeah. It's like, dude, if anything, you need to be nice to her because she might be your boss.

SPEAKER_03 18:11

Yeah. I was just like, okay, so my but I understood what he was saying because she doesn't work there, she doesn't work there, she's not put in the hours there. The only case she is there for is Madison's. That's it. So for him, he's like, I'm doing all this stuff to move up in this firm. And you and Neppo baby, pretty much coming in when I've been busting my butt off. So I understood where he was coming from. It just was not the timer place to do something like that. It was it was just the way he did it. And I'm glad that Bill put him in his place of place a bit, but Bill also understood what Tomas was saying, too. It's it either way, Tomash, you're not gonna be the head of the fur. If Bill were to be unalive, the firm is going to Naomi. It's not going to him. So I don't know why Tomas. That's what I'm saying.

SPEAKER_00 19:10

I'm like, dude, she's gonna end up being your boss one day before it's over with.

SPEAKER_03 19:13

I feel like Tomas were just better off leaving the firm.

SPEAKER_00 19:17

And doing I feel like he's better off just going away, period.

SPEAKER_03 19:21

Like just go. Well, he is away because he's supposed to be a Puerto Rico right now, right? I think so.

SPEAKER_00 19:28

Yes, he's visiting his family, he is away.

SPEAKER_03 19:31

We'll see if he comes back, okay. Because the way they've been writing him, I don't know.

SPEAKER_00 19:37

Well, when he left out of there, my thought was maybe something gonna happen, he's not gonna come back. That's their exit, like them exiting him off. Yeah, um, that's what I was thinking. The way they ended him kind of walking out the door. I was like, is he coming back? Yeah, because I felt like maybe he might not be the way that they did it. If he comes back, I don't I need him to come back different. I need him to go do some meditations or something, and then by the time he comes back, he a whole nother person. I'm looking at it's like the same body and face, but just the attitude needs to be adjusted.

SPEAKER_03 20:09

Well, he is a lawyer, and lawyers still have attitudes.

SPEAKER_00 20:13

We got business in Naomi. I know, but I'm I mean not in a bad way, I mean in a good way. Yeah, I'm I'm I'm just like I need him to come back a little differently so so that I start liking his character. Because right now, I just never care for this character since he's been on screen.

SPEAKER_03 20:27

Well, don't yeah, he I don't know. I think Tomas is just one of those characters, it's hard to root for it when he's cheating on Kat with Eva. He's walking around like this macho man kind of thing. It it is hard to like him.

SPEAKER_00 20:45

Yeah, um I mean, but to me, when they wrote the scenes with him, like on the phone with his mom, I I felt for him. That was the first time I saw the character Tomaz. I said, Oh, everybody's pressuring him, that's not right. You know, so I I felt that. I don't know if I need more of that for him, and then I might start liking the character. I don't know.

SPEAKER_03 21:06

But maybe his character needs to spiral. I think he's been holding everything in. Yeah, he's been trying to do this for Bill, and Bill, huh? Because Tomas told Bill about him proposing to Kat, and Bill was like, wait a minute, I didn't tell you to do that. Yes, you pretty much did, Bill. Yeah, like come on. Yes, you pretty much did. So I feel like Tomas, he's it's like he's clenching his fist and his jaw, and he's trying so hard to keep it together. And I feel like if his character was to just explode, I think I would probably start liking him more because he has all these people telling him, What do you got cat here? You got Bill, you got his family, he's under a lot of pressure, he's he's sending his family money. I think there's So much pressure on him that I think if his character just imploded, I think maybe I would be more interested.

SPEAKER_00 22:08

Well, hold on. And remember, he it was a picture. They still haven't gone back to that. When it first started, it was a picture that Cass saw of a little boy. And he and he said it was some kid he was um working with or whatever. I always wonder that kid in that picture that she stumbled across was that maybe a son that he had. I guess I need them to write him where he's kind of interested because right now he's not.

SPEAKER_03 22:33

I feel like we need more background on him because we still don't know much about him. We just said he's a lawyer, he's trying to move up on the ranks, he has a family that he's helping. But I feel like if if I feel like if he kind of imploded a bit because he's under so much stress, I think that would make things more interesting for him. And then we can also see the actor's range as well. I feel like he has it, it's just writing it and showing it. I think that's where the fans probably are not connecting to him a bit. That's just how I feel about it. But I the the way they wrote him this week, I'm not sure he's coming back.

SPEAKER_00 23:18

Me neither. I was learning the same thing. When he walked out the door, I was yelling at the TV. Is he coming back? Yeah. Uh I don't know.

SPEAKER_03 23:27

Maybe he goes to Puerto Rico and something happens and he has to stay there or something like that. I have no idea. But Tomas, if you are leaving, we do wish you the best. Let's switch gears to Danny and Pamela. This was the only scene I really watched with Danny because y'all know I've been fast for her lately because her character has regressed. I feel like I'm watching season one, Danny. I'm not liking it. But I am glad that Pamela talked to her and told her the truth. Like, stop looking at the book because it's pretty, do not open it, keep it pushing. And Danny, I don't know what to do with Danny because she grew up with two parents who love each other. She seen what love is. She got with Bill. Yes, Bill pretty much like beat her down with her um confidence and her emotions. Okay. But I'm like, Danny, why you keep going back? Why you making like excuses to be around Bill when you don't need to be? And that's why I just get turned off by Danny. It's like she wants to be around him for what? Is it like a self-sabotage? Is she self-punishing herself? Is she like like Pamela said, like, she's in this fantasy world about Bill and how it was before when Pamela knows it was not a great marriage. I mean, I I don't know. What are your thoughts on Danny? Because I'm getting really frustrated with her.

SPEAKER_00 25:01

I actually agree with Pamela because Bill is treating her special right now. He's not dogging her, they're not even married, so he's not out here cheating on her the way he was before. He's not throwing his side piece up in her face like he did with Haley. So I think that is she's basically delusional right now. She's seeing the good, the good bill, but she's forgetting the bad bill. Well, she's not forgetting him because she does remember him, but she needs to stay away from him. That's the bottom line. So to me, she's just going back and forth. 30 years is a long time to be with somebody. I get it. That's hard to shake off. But at the same time, to me, if somebody treated you that foul, you should be done. But then it's hard for her to be done with this man because they had kids with each other. But at the same time, those kids are grown. They're not even kids, they're adult children at this point. So I'm not understanding her need to keep trying to gravitate to him. I think that she needs to have a conversation with her kids and let her kids know if it's something going on with dad, she don't always need to know about it and set some boundaries there and maybe that'll help her out. But at the end of the day, yeah, I think she's delusional right now. I think that if Bill and Haley split and they went through a divorce and he got back with her, he would just go right back to resorting and treating her the same way. And then she's gonna be like, dang, what did I do to myself? I let a good man go for this idiot over here, basically. So it's it's the whole thing is very um complicated and messy. But if I was her and you don't really want to be around Bill, I would set up some some boundaries and I would start with my own kids and say, I don't need to know what's going on with your dad. If he's in the hospital, if he's not on the live, don't call me about him, because that's what his wife is for. I shouldn't even be involved. And then she shouldn't be going up there to visit him. She taught Andre she wanted to go and she did. I'm like, for what? You know, so it's just like she needs to stay out of his his life, his orbit, and she just can't seem to bring herself to that self-sabotage as far as I'm concerned.

SPEAKER_03 27:05

Yeah, that's why I feel like it is self-sabotage. I feel like it's kind of like a self-punishment, too. I I don't know. Danny is very frustrating because you because we see how Vernon and Anita are, and I guess because Danny put up with so much of Bill's stuff, she's just so used to it. I don't know. I it's hard to watch Danny nowadays. I I just fast forward her right now because I'm just so mad at her. And then she talks to Haley, and if Haley really thought about what Danny said, she would know that they slept together. Because she let it slip. I'm like, Danny, you say you don't want people to know, but clearly you really do want people to know. And then Bill comes over there. I'm just like, oh my gosh, I am just really over it.

SPEAKER_00 27:55

I think that she, I think I think on some level, subconsciously, she does want people to know about it because of what she said to Haley. Because you see, Bill made a beeline over there to her because he don't need Haley finding out because that's gonna be bad for him. Because then Haley is gonna clean that clock, and I don't blame her, and I wish she would at the end of the day. Yeah, so he he made a beeline over to Danny because he don't want that stuff coming out. As much as he wants Andre to know about it, he know that Haley better not find out because he knows financially she's gonna clean his behind out. I don't care what prenub is in place, she's gonna get her a good lawyer and they're gonna dupe that out, and she's gonna end up walking away with a nice settlement before it's over with. Yeah, so he don't want her to find that out. But yeah, she should have kept her mouth shut because she's saying I don't want nobody. Yeah, she does. And I think she's just exhausted carrying the guilt around with Andre because Andre is, oh, I love you, you're this, you're that, you're this, you that. He praises her and talks to her the way that she should be, you know, spoken to. But on some level, I think a part of her wishes it probably would come out. Then she can, like you said earlier, rip the band-aid off kind of thing. Um, and then she just rips it off and she's like, Whoo! And then she can kind of breathe. And even though Andre be going off on her and probably leave her, it's still kind of relief for her. But like I said, she can go get Bill back, it's gonna be the same old, same old.

SPEAKER_03 29:16

Yeah, and I hope that Nina goes off on her. Because she she needs it. I feel like it's like, girl, you disappointing all the women, like, right.

SPEAKER_00 29:28

Well, it's kind of like it's sad to watch because it's kind of like to me, when I look at it, it's like she doesn't feel like she's worthy to be happy with somebody that loves and adores her, like Andre. And so she's reverting back to I guess how she used to, you know, I guess be accepted by Bill. You know, so I I don't know. It's it's stupid to me, but it's real life stuff, though. I'm sure women go through this and people probably get frustrated with people like this in their lives. But yeah, it's it's very hard to watch. Some days I'm just like, oh my goodness, you know.

SPEAKER_03 30:02

Yeah, nope, that's why I'd be fast forwarding most of it, because I I can't deal with them just I get really mad. Well, I switched gears to Ted going off on Leslie. I was surprised he went off on her the way he did, but it's about time. It's about time. Because even he likes so everything that happened was for nothing then, like you haven't changed anything. I did like Eva going off. I I think I was more surprised about Eva going off on Leslie. And Leslie was just like, well, dang, you know, of course, Leslie and Eva would be cool after all this. Because we all know what's gonna happen. Eva's gonna go talk to Leslie, oh mama, I'm sorry for going on, blah, blah, blah. I feel like that's what's gonna happen next. But I was surprised that Ted went off on her. And Ted told Shanice that he's falling for her. My question to you is do you think that he, since he confessed to his love for Shanice, do you think they're gonna move in together soon? Because he's still at that hotel.

SPEAKER_00 31:03

If I was her, I wouldn't. Because I still feel like it's too raw coming off Nicole. I don't care what he says to her, he's still loving Nicole at the end of the day. If Nicole went over there and said, Ted, I want you back, I think he'll drop Shanice like a dog on hot cake in a second and be like, mm-hmm. And he'd be right back over there with Nicole. So hopefully they don't move in together because I just think it's just too raw still. I think that Shanice needs to go slow with him. I don't care if he's talking about I think I'm I'm falling for you. You think either you have or you haven't. Which one is it? I think which one? So, whatever. I I hope she takes it slow.

SPEAKER_03 31:41

I don't know. I think Shanice, I think she's gonna go all in with Ted. And I can definitely see Ted breaking her heart. That's gonna be very hard to watch. I can definitely tell you you know, Leslie. She's gonna be finding where he lives at, gonna be somewhere in the neighborhood, driving on by.

SPEAKER_00 32:04

She um needs to take it slow with him because he still has feelings for Nicole. I don't care what he's saying, but when he said, I think I'm what you think, and I don't know why she ain't clocked him right there. You think well you do or you don't.

SPEAKER_03 32:20

What what well I do wonder if her ex is gonna come on because she talked about him to who was it, Ashley, about her ex trying to get back with her after he cheated on her at their place and all that. I wonder if we're gonna see this ex.

SPEAKER_00 32:38

I say bring him on because Tara probably needs some competition with her, and to me, he needs to really sit down and figure out if he really wants her because he's seeing all the right things right now. Like, oh I you know, uh, I like her, like being around her, blah, blah, blah. But at the end of the day, are you in love with her? I haven't heard that yet. Like, are you in love with her? Are you willing to lay down your life for this woman now? I mean, like, what's what's the deal? So I just think he's not there. I I really don't. No. I don't think he's there. I think if Leslie can get him drunk again, he'd be in a sack with Leslie.

SPEAKER_03 33:16

Probably. Probably. Uh I don't know about Ted. Just just like his conversation with Tomas, when Tomas is like, well, Kat got a place. And I'm thinking, Ted, where's your place at? He's been in a hotel for over a year now. Like, what's what's going on? And then of course Kat and Nicole talk. And I I agree with Nicole. It's like, just because you said no to his proposal doesn't mean it has to that doesn't mean you have to do like a grand gesture of them living together. I feel like Kat and Tomas do the same thing to each other of doing things without letting the other person know about it. I I don't know, but I do agree with Nicole that she's not doing it for the right reasons, uh finding her own place. But hey, cat gonna do what she gonna do. Like she went over to see Eva. I thought their conversation was nice. I thought it was, it was civil. I was surprised to see her too. I was Eva, like, what are you doing here? But she just thanked her, and I was it, and Eva's like, okay, you know, alright. I am looking forward to when Chelsea and Eva talk, because Chelsea told Kat that she wanted to do an awareness for organ donors, and uh, even though Kat says she's fine with it in the promo, it looks like Kat really isn't fine with Chelsea and Eva talking, and I think she's thinking about her dream that she had with Eva and Chelsea being cool and having their own company. So I don't I don't know. Do you do you think Kat really meant well when she said Chelsea go ahead and talk to Eva about it, or do you think she really doesn't want Chelsea near Eva?

SPEAKER_00 35:05

I think she I think she genuinely meant it. So it's just I guess I gotta wait and see the scene next week to see what Chelsea is saying. But I I believe Kat meant that. But Kat thing was I don't want to be a part of it. So if somehow she gets dragged into it, she's not gonna like it because she made it very clear she don't want a part of it.

SPEAKER_02 35:26

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 35:27

Not not in a public way. She, you know, she's kind of behind the scenes with it, she's cool with it, but she don't want to be out there front and center with it. I don't blame her. Who, you know, not everybody wants that.

SPEAKER_03 35:39

Yeah. No, I only make it see if Eva miss mistakenly says that her sister cat and then Kat would get mad about it. I can see that happening, but I don't know. With Kat, I feel like sometimes I I feel like she means what she says. I'd say eight out of ten, she does. The two out of ten, she's like, no, I changed my mind. Uh uh, I I don't know, because I feel like Chelsea is the last person that Kat can have to herself.

SPEAKER_00 36:11

You know what? That's the first time I seen Chelsea and Madison in a room together in a bed. I don't know, right? Hold on. I said, wait, wait a minute now. This is the first time. But I'm um, but it's was that Chelsea's place in the bedroom? I think it is Chelsea's place. Okay, because I was like, who place was it though?

SPEAKER_03 36:30

I think it was Chelsea because they they're over at Chelsea's place more often than Madison. We haven't seen Madison's place at all. Okay, and I'm looking forward to Kat's place too, whenever they get that together. I think that would be nice to see how it looks. It will look very Catherine. I'm looking forward to seeing how her place looks. Unlike Theodore. I'm gonna keep my foot on him because it's like we're buying that hotel already. Well, lastly, we got Joey finds a letter from Doug. Because Vanessa, I don't think why Vanessa would bring Doug's things over like that. It's just something she does. I'm like, Vanessa, what are you doing? But Joey finds a letter about Doug saying that he knows about Kenny, he knows that something happened to him. Look at Joey. Then we have Deanna being oh so nice to Vanessa and Joey. Joey was trying so hard to bait her to get mad because Joey knows she's up to something, he just don't know what. And Deanna kept her cool the entire time. But when she came out uptown, she stumped on that. Stumped on that food. I'm like, girl, that was free food. Like you could have ate it or give it to somebody who needs it or something. But Deanna is very unhinged. I feel sorry for her, and Vanessa just does not see it. What are your thoughts on Joey and Deanna's cat and mouse game?

SPEAKER_00 38:02

First off, why would you bring a box of your ex husband stuff over to your your new man place? Why didn't she just open that box up there at the house? That's that's the part that I didn't understand. Why not? Plot. Second, at first I thought maybe Deanna could have planted that note just to get Joey all you know edgy. But then the details of it, I said nope, because Deanna don't know nothing about the whole Kenny stuff. I'm hoping that the writers write it where Vanessa has been playing Joey this whole time. I I I really am. I'm hoping that Vanessa's some kind of undercover cop, and we don't know about it. FBI. So I hope she's undercover somehow, somehow. Or just just working for her. Anything. Because if they writing her like this, whoo we okay. Okay. I don't know. Vanessa's just okay. But I digress, so let me keep going. So with Joey and um Deanna, yeah, he was making a mess out of her. She did great, she didn't fall for it at all. But I did feel sorry for her at the end because clearly she's seeing ghost Doug, it's not real Doug. I wish it was, and it's just sad. This girl needs help. And she told Vanessa before, I think last week that she was in therapy. But I'm like, who's her therapist? Um, because she needed to be in therapy, she needs she needs a psychiatrist, all of that. Because she's basically seeing this man talking to this man. And if somebody were to see her, they would just see her talking to her. So yeah. So I so I feel very, very sorry for this girl because it's heartbreaking to watch her when you knowing that she's basically just sitting there talking to herself. It's not really him. So I I think they need to go ahead and get into a mental health storyline with her. And I I hope that's the direction it's going. I think it is. And I hope that they dive deep. Beyond the gates be diving deep, so I'm sure it's gonna be deep before this over with. But yeah, I mean, clearly something's wrong with her. And Vanessa is so caught up in I think her just wanting to to be around her and accept Joey that she's missing all of the the red flags that's going on with her. Is something seriously wrong?

SPEAKER_03 40:15

Yeah, and I think since Joey has Randy on Deanna, Randy will probably see it. My question is, what's Randy gonna do about it? You know, I don't know.

SPEAKER_00 40:25

I I don't know, and I was surprised that Randy told Haley about Joey got him watching her. I was shocked.

SPEAKER_03 40:31

What are you doing? Like, why would you tell Haley about that? I was shocked. I don't know. He be telling Haley a little bit too much. So because I think he told her something else before that he had to deal with Joey. I was like, why would you tell her?

SPEAKER_00 40:44

I can't not remember what it was, but see, he tried, but see, they trust each other, and that's good because they're cousins, and so they trust each other, and I guess that's why he felt comfortable enough to share with because who was Haley gonna tell? Nobody, you know, not really, yeah. So I at first I was shocked, and then I was like, Well, who's she gonna tell it to? Nobody, you know. So, and then they type like that. It kind of made sense that he's kind of venting to her about it, but yeah, Randy doesn't like it. He don't like that Joey got him on that assignment though, either.

SPEAKER_03 41:16

I wonder if Haley and Doug knew each other.

SPEAKER_00 41:19

I was wondering that, and based on what the conversation, it sounds like maybe she definitely didn't know about Vanessa kids. And if she does, they haven't got there yet, based on the conversation she had with Randy.

SPEAKER_03 41:35

Maybe, because I was wondering if she knew Doug at all, or at least like maybe had a couple encounters. I'm looking forward to see how this is gonna go, but I do feel like Deanna might have a breakdown and it's gonna be hard to watch. And hopefully Vanessa stops her game up as a mother because clearly she ain't not seeing that this girl's in trouble. But Deanna's doing good at hiding it. It's easy to hide stuff like that if you're doing it for such a long time. So I don't know, we shall see. Well, we want to say congratulations to the daytime Emmys nominations. Woo-hoo! We are so happy that Beyond the Gates is gonna be in the Daytime Emmys this year. We're looking forward to watching that. We also want to let you know that we are gonna have a word schedule for the next couple months. We have some events coming up. So if we do not post an episode, that's because we're doing something. We just want to let you know from now until about the end of August that our schedule is gonna be a little bit wonky. So we just want to give you a heads up. Thank you so much for listening to our podcast about Beyond the Gates. Thank you for following and leaving comments. We really appreciate you. Stay safe out there until next time.

SPEAKER_00 43:00

Have a good summer, and we'll see you. Peace out.