Stay Curious and Eat Your Grits & Eggs | Deante Kyle

In this collaboration episode of Curiosity Theory and Grits & Eggs Podcast, Dr. Dakotah Tyler and Justin Shaifer sit down with Deante Kyle and Big Ice Kup Kat for an unfiltered conversation about AI, capitalism, social media, internet culture, and the future of humanity.

They discuss the rise of artificial intelligence, billionaires and wealth inequality, the psychology of social media addiction, and whether modern technology is actually improving human life. The conversation also dives into online culture, work, relationships, movies, internet misinformation, and the increasingly strange direction society seems to be heading.

This episode is more explicit and unfiltered than a typical Curiosity Theory episode, but we wanted the conversation to remain authentic and uncensored.

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SPEAKER_00 0:00

Hey everybody, thanks for tuning in to this week's episode of Curiosity Theory. Just a quick heads up that this week's episode contains explicit language. If you have kids listening or you're at the workplace, you may not want to listen to this full-length episode right now. Don't say I didn't warn you. See you soon.

SPEAKER_06 0:16

Welcome back, everybody, to Curiosity Theory. It is your co-host, Dr. Dakota Tyler, astrophysicist, science communicator with my main man.

SPEAKER_00 0:24

Justin Schaefer, also known as Mr. Fascinate, co-host of Curiosity Theory. And we are joined with the one and only Deontay Kyle of the Grits and Eggs Podcast, a legend in the space. We're happy to have him on. And we talked about a lot of funny stuff. We got into the notion of advanced technology and its implications on society. We talked about science fiction futures. We talked about space deaths. Talked about space deaths.

SPEAKER_01 0:52

And life. And life.

SPEAKER_00 0:53

Tech CEOs, capitalism. All the good stuff. We got some really interesting stuff for y'all. So make sure y'all tune in right now.

SPEAKER_06 1:02

How many gallons of water do you think goes into just making the average t-shirt? Just one t-shirt. Well, I would say on the bottom part, like maybe five. 700, bro. Gallons for the average t-shirt. One t-shirt? To make it. Not not to all the times you wash it, not like the lifetime of the shirt. To make it, to produce it, textiles, a t a typical piece of clothing will take several hundred gallons of water. But it's like we gotta wear clothes, right? It's different. We don't, you know, you don't have to use like AI, but the the the scale is so different that it's like, you know, it's it's kind of like like stop going to Starbucks and then you can like get your money right or whatever.

SPEAKER_01 1:42

Yeah, that's that dumb shit. You can't it's okay, right?

SPEAKER_06 1:44

And so it's a small amount, right? And so it's not, it's just a small amount compared to a lot of the other things.

SPEAKER_00 1:50

Yeah, yeah. So Sam Waltman was like, when you compare an AI's energy usage to humans, you gotta consider like humans gotta eat, humans gotta do all this stuff. My AI doesn't have to do that, so that's what we should be comparing. I was like, that's crazy.

SPEAKER_06 2:02

So, like, this is the thing that to focus on, in my opinion, with the AI shit, is that those guys are like psychopath lunatics, yeah. And he's saying this AI shit is like it takes way less energy than a human being. And so, like, in their minds, the humans are like obsolete.

SPEAKER_00 2:17

They're just humans are just supposed to be workers, like if that's that's his only view of humanity.

SPEAKER_01 2:21

Well, but see, this is my point though. My point is this it's like, okay, well, what are the guidelines around like the ideal life for like a human would be without all this labor, but more for so a labor of love. So if we take away all the art, if we generate all the art through AI, for one, it's trash. And then for two, it also puts like this is the only way for people to effectively move up in class is through education or entertainment. Like, that's really what it is. And most of the times the people who are great at entertainment are not don't excel in the educational space. But these are two ways for people to excel, like the creative arts, entertainment, and education. You might be wiping out a whole generation of like upward mobility if you use all the art generated through AI. Now, of course, there's human, the human aspect where we're gonna like push back, but there's also the corporate aspect where they're not gonna give a fuck.

SPEAKER_05 3:22

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 3:22

If I can save, let's just say in my marketing and media department, I'm spending five hundred thousand dollars a year for four or four to six employees, I save X amount of, like I save a half a million dollars. Yeah. And to them everything.

SPEAKER_06 3:36

From the capitalist perspective, it's not it's not even really a debate. There's like no decision to be made. There's nothing to do. The decision has already been made. Yeah, for sure. And so at the at least, at least from my perspective, what we would hope is that the government would be putting something in place to protect like the citizens, right? Because ultimately what I care about is not that we maximize GDP by having a small number of companies that have eliminated their workforce and have like AI tools doing everything. Um, but from like a GDP standpoint, that America will probably boom. But then it's like, what are we in a society for? Like, what's the point of us being here and like doing this thing?

SPEAKER_01 4:15

Yeah, yeah, because it can't be all go ahead.

SPEAKER_00 4:17

Yeah, the individual quality of life will go down if everybody doesn't have income. I mean, you probably heard about this whole universal basic income thing, yeah. Where the profits generated by these AI companies are taxed by governments and redistributed to the people, but even that doesn't feel like a comprehensive solution for a lot of reasons. I mean, one, like what's the incentive? You know, like what's what's the tax structure and these technology companies move so fast that it's like, why are they incentivized like as a government to keep up with the pace of innovation of these tech companies? Like there's no systems in place to actually make that happen. Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 4:50

And they have, I mean, they're all like buddy buddy.

SPEAKER_01 4:52

You know, all the point I was just gonna make, but like we I can't expect, yeah, I can't really expect um the UBI to be beneficial to the citizen outside of like, we're gonna cover your basic needs, but we're gonna kind of cover your basic needs in a way where it doesn't afford you like any luxury at all. You it's gonna be like they're gonna say basic income and they're gonna quantify that down to a number, and then they're gonna convert a bunch of like condos and houses into basically public housing. Um, and we'll see like a resurgent of project buildings and shit like that again. But my thing is I also can't trust it because how many times has the IRS, I think it's like eight years in a row, they failed their audits and they still get funding. So, like, what's the deal? Like, if they don't disclose how much they make, they could say they made, let's just say we say we made $2 billion this year, and the number is really 20.

SPEAKER_00 5:46

Yeah, yeah, there's no reason for them to actually disclose that information. And I think the hate towards big tech is just gonna continue to increase. Yeah. When we think about it.

SPEAKER_06 5:54

Rightfully so, in that respect.

SPEAKER_00 5:56

I think people weren't beefing as much. People have problems with big tech today, but they're not beefing as much with big tech when it employs so many people. But if big tech eliminates 90% of their jobs, you know, just to throw a figure out there, and they have all the money in the United States, there's gonna be a lot of people that are pissed off by that. Like, you know, this this wealth gap can't continue to increase like this, with like his history is gonna repeat itself. It's like if you have a wealth gap at this, you know, at this point. I would say it's already there. But like how I would agree.

SPEAKER_06 6:26

From a from an any from like an absolute inequality, like a percentage-wise, I think we've we've like eclipsed or we're around like where it was around the time of the French Revolution, where you know Yes, and also around the time when um Rockefeller.

SPEAKER_00 6:39

Rockefeller was a time when the US GDP ratio compared to Rockefeller's individual wealth was that was like the highest individual wealth to GDP of a country ratio in the US. Elon Musk's wealth has eclipsed that relative to the GDP of the United States today. So we're so we're there by that metric. Right.

SPEAKER_01 6:55

Man, that nigga Rockefeller was getting money.

SPEAKER_00 6:57

He was getting bread, but Elon Musk is getting more relatively specifically. It doesn't inflation adjusting.

SPEAKER_01 7:02

I don't like that nigga. But Elon Musk? Yeah, he's just weird. Yeah, I mean he like he creeps, he create like you know the whole Epstein thing, it's like begging to be invited. He couldn't even get invited. It's almost like pitiful. When the sickest niggas on earth don't want to hang out with you, like bro, you didn't like, yeah, but we'll see if we can get you. Ah man, we don't even do that no more. Nah, that's that's crazy. Ah man, you still trying to do that, man?

SPEAKER_06 7:30

The crazy thing is, I remember he was beefing with Trump on, it was like going back and forth on Twitter, and he was like, Here, I'm just gonna say it. The reason Trump's not releasing the files is because he's all in them. But he knew that he was in those emails as well. When he invested. When he invested. I'm saying though, Elon Musk, when he tried to like air out Trump for being involved.

SPEAKER_01 7:50

He knew he wasn't invited to the party, though. Right. But the thing is is that he didn't actually go, I guess. He doesn't have enough like social awareness, you know what I'm saying, to understand that like begging to be somewhere and not being invited is kind of worse than Yeah, yeah, it's kind of worse. Because we kind of expected your weird ass to be down with that. But the fact that you begged to be there and they wouldn't let you in, that makes you even more.

SPEAKER_06 8:14

Did you see uh Stephen Hawking? Did you see those pictures? We talked about this.

SPEAKER_00 8:18

We talked about this Hawking was in the in the Epstein.

SPEAKER_06 8:21

No, he was laid up with a couple of laid up with a couple of baddies, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 8:24

He was laid out with a couple of fours, bro.

unknown 8:27

You know what I'm saying?

SPEAKER_02 8:28

That was how you two ugly bitches go. Backdoor Fours? Stephen Hawking with the backdoor fours? Yeah, that was he was married, though. Bro, he had a little mouth. He talked about everything.

SPEAKER_03 8:36

Hey brother, what are we talking about?

SPEAKER_01 8:38

Do you hear about the despicable things they was doing on the island? You think marriage is stopping anything?

SPEAKER_00 8:41

Well, marriage didn't stop Bill Gates. I don't know if y'all saw he actually came out and was like, I apologize. I did have an affair with my wife. Yeah. Well, he had to because he got aired out in the email.

SPEAKER_01 8:51

Well, here's the thing. All right, yeah, let's just keep it, let's let's keep it very um, let's keep it very surface level. And um, and um what's the shit where my factor is where you only care about surface level things? Dumb as far as as far as uh what'd you say? Dumb not dumb, simple surface, simpleficial. Just keep it superficial for a minute. Yeah. I'm Bill Gates. I got a billion dollars and I'm looking over at Melinda. Come on, son. I I gotta go. I gotta go get some strange on the side, bro.

SPEAKER_06 9:27

Personally, I value women as people way too much. That thought. I said we was keeping it superficial.

SPEAKER_02 9:33

Bro, this is just don't do your threads and shit on me. Okay. Oh, y'all calling me light skinned. You don't think we seen you?

SPEAKER_01 9:41

Yeah, look, you sitting there, man. No, I'm just playing. Um I'm joking around. I think both of them should be executed. Wait, both Bill, well, oh, Bill and his wife. Oh. You heard about this, the the program that they're trying to run in Kenya? No. So there's a they're trying to run a program for um The Gates Foundation. The birth control. Uh it birth control up for eight years.

SPEAKER_06 10:04

What do you mean? Birth control?

SPEAKER_01 10:06

So if the if you take this, I think it's a shot, it'll keep you basically sterile for eight years. Right. My issue with that is is like where's the science behind it? And how do we know this just doesn't sterilize people forever?

SPEAKER_00 10:19

Right. So it's like a mechanism for population control in Africa where the population on the continent is the youngest in the world right now. Absolutely. Most explosive. And then with this technology gap decreasing so much, like them having access to phones from like five years ago, are still great technology.

SPEAKER_01 10:35

Several, several, several booming economies out there, like probably fastest growing economies out there in different countries.

SPEAKER_06 10:42

So that that I think that that's really interesting because I do think that it's slightly more nuanced. I've heard people um or I'm familiar with one of the women who like led the Planned Parenthood, uh, like a racist white woman.

SPEAKER_01 10:58

Oh, uh Margaret Margaret, I think it's Margaret Sanger.

SPEAKER_06 11:01

Right. And was like, you know, pro-abortion and pro and like and also didn't like black people and thought that's a good thing.

SPEAKER_01 11:06

Yeah, she said we were hearing weeds and all that type of shit.

SPEAKER_06 11:09

Yeah now, so clearly racist intent on her end and like, yeah, these people shouldn't be breeding type of thing. Horror, horrible, obviously. But at the same time, if you like having kids too soon is a way to kind of like derail your total potential in life, right? Yeah. And so like family planning in that sense is something that I think is a wise thing to do, right? And so, like, for example, being on birth control when you were younger, I think is a is a a good decision. If the alternative is that you're gonna like have kids too early before you have like the the right skills to get the right job or something. And so I think that it's it could, you know, it could be a good thing in in certain circumstances.

SPEAKER_01 11:52

I think it's a good thing if the people that plan it aren't like into eugenics. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? Yeah, like I don't want to align myself with this with. It's not about alignment. I'm I'm agree. I'm in agreement with you. I think that we have to like the intent behind it. Yeah, I think we have to understand, like, ultimately, they've commodified like every part of our life to even to the point of our biology where like the incentive to procreate is like just a natural impulse. And now we have to think about shit like money, jobs, where for thousands and thousands and thousands of years in human history, that wasn't a thing. It's like, oh, I can hunt, so shit, we good. Yeah, I'm saying, and I think we're at this point where like hunting, the equivalent of hunting, is like get garnering a skill set, getting education, pursuing your career or your dreams, and becoming financially stable. Because I do think that it is unwise to continue to bring children into like an impoverished situation. Because it also decreases the opportunity for you to ascend from poverty. So, yeah, man, I I'm I I agree with you on that aspect too. I think that that's just like something given the society we live in, is like just objectively true. Like, we need to look at that and examine that. And it's like love ain't enough in this society. Like, love, uh, you know, just the impulse to like procreate and things like that. Like, you kind of gotta like undo some hard wiring and get with the times. We need like some software updates in that aspect. But yeah, family planning, I think. I mean, you know, me and my old lady have talked about this several times. Like, man, we probab we probably should have got our careers going first. Because even though we good now, it was like 10, 10 years struggling like a motherfucker. And we kept having kids. You know what I'm saying? Like, we had three kids and within the first within the first eight years we were together. So, yeah.

SPEAKER_06 13:45

You know, I had uh my first daughter, I have two daughters. My first daughter was born in when I was like 16. So also like a teenager, it's like you know, at the time I thought that I was gonna like go to the league, I was gonna go to the NFL and that sort of thing. And um, that obviously didn't happen, but yeah, it only makes your life harder to do that before you're ready because of what you said that we live in a society where you gotta like have it costs a lot of money, you gotta do daycare, you know, baby food costs a lot of money, and it m it really only makes it is a weird thing.

SPEAKER_01 14:19

Yeah, it's strange. Definitely.

SPEAKER_06 14:20

It's a weird way that we've it's a way that we've clearly set up that is like misaligned with how most people like move about their lives and like the impulses that we have.

SPEAKER_01 14:30

The the truth is like the system was set up by people who never had to worry about that. So it was set up by the wealthy and it made those biological impulses punishable. Like you get punished for having a baby too soon. Yeah. Unless you're born into a family. Now, if your father's a fucking billionaire, a multimillionaire, you have a baby, no sweat off your back. You know what I mean? Also, you have like a crazy support system. But if you if you're poor and you work in entry-level jobs and you don't have a skill set or any wealth, then like one of the parents is gonna be working to pay the bills, and the other one is literally gonna be working for daycare. That's like literally because the cost of daycare is like crazy. It's crazy, yeah. It's them they're like paying rent. So sometimes more. Sometimes more. So the thing is, is like I don't I don't really see I I think if we examine it just as it is and not like what it is, what we want it to be ideally, we'll make better decisions in mass. There's still gonna be people who are gonna do whatever they're gonna do. But I think, yeah, as long as like the family planning isn't rooted in eugenics and and like as a bare minimum, could that be just like that? Could that be like one of the you know what I'm saying? Yeah, like if Bill Gates wasn't in the lineage of eugenics, yeah, then I probably we probably wouldn't question him so much about why he does the shit, but it's also like, why does Microsoft own all this farmland? Like, why are you interested in mass-producing food? You're a computer nigga. Do the computer shit. Yeah, you know what I'm saying?

SPEAKER_00 15:59

Yeah, I guess it's it's challenging because it's easy for us, I think, to go to the skeptical direction of institutions when they've acquired such a massive amount of wealth. And then under the guise of like trying to make the world a better place, you know, he starts his foundation, does a lot of stuff all over the world.

SPEAKER_06 16:14

Which he does, though, as well. Yeah, he does. He he has done a lot of work uh combating malaria, which kills a lot of people.

SPEAKER_01 16:21

Yeah, that's real.

SPEAKER_06 16:22

Yeah. It's it's the so the thing is, it's but that's also like a big PR thing, like you say, where it's like it's the it's the it's the sleight of hand shit.

SPEAKER_01 16:29

It's like and it and it and it does help. And you have enough money to help. Like, that's the crazier thing, too. He also It's also nothing out of his pocket, too. It's nothing. So the thing is, collectively, if if him, first of all, the way that they operate, him, Elon Musk, and Jeff Bezos, just those three alone, America would should never have to worry about hunger or homelessness. Like, if they could solve it, yeah. They could easily like and it and it wouldn't fuck nothing up. And also, like, what is the difference between $20 billion and $200 billion? Like in your in your quality of life? Like, what's the difference?

SPEAKER_06 17:00

Once you got a big difference between those two numbers, it's a big difference between those two numbers. As far as what you can do with it, it's just not much more, I think, than you can.

SPEAKER_01 17:07

Bro, if you got 20 billion dollars, you could buy Earth, you could buy anything on Earth. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 17:11

Well, I guess Elon's vision this whole time that he's sold everybody on was this prospect of taking consciousness outside of our planet, right? Taking humanity to Mars, which he's now dialed back on.

SPEAKER_06 17:22

It was never, it was always dumb.

SPEAKER_01 17:23

It was never for man, can we fix Earth, nigga?

SPEAKER_00 17:28

I mean, I think that's a fair argument. I think another fair argument, though, is the technology that we use to figure out how to get to space has led to a lot of innovations here. That's true, too. Like the smartphone wouldn't exist if we didn't learn how to build rockets and go to space, you know. Um, but on the other side of that, to get everybody to buy into this vision of, yeah, we got to get everybody to Mars, it justifies for some people, it justifies acquiring this massive amount of wealth that seems unlike you know unnecessary.

SPEAKER_06 17:56

Because he's pushing on like a trillion trillionaire, right?

SPEAKER_00 17:59

He's, I think, about to touch 700 bill right now.

SPEAKER_06 18:01

Oh, so it's only a matter of time.

SPEAKER_01 18:03

Yeah, I mean, scaling the way it is, yeah. It'll be a billionaire in the next 10 years.

SPEAKER_06 18:07

This this little uh this little thought experiment, I think me and you maybe we've done it before, but if you were to count one second and just count by numbers, you know, one, two, three, how many seconds uh or like how long do you think it would take you to get to a million? A million seconds.

SPEAKER_01 18:24

I think it's isn't it something like 200 years or something?

SPEAKER_00 18:27

A million is 30 years. A million seconds? Like 30 years is 11 days. Oh, wait, that's 11 days. Oh, the billion is 30 years.

SPEAKER_01 18:33

Oh, okay, seconds.

SPEAKER_00 18:35

Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 18:36

I know that you knew it. All right. So it's a show, man. It's a million. It's a million seconds to get um is is about a week and a half. A billion seconds is 31 years. Yeah, yeah. That's the difference between a billion and a million. But he's about to be a trillionaire. Do you know how long a trillion is? A trillion.

SPEAKER_01 18:58

I mean, I can imagine it's like 12 years.

SPEAKER_06 19:01

The difference is 11, 11 days from a million, a billion, 31 years, and a trillion, 31,000 years. And he's pushing on a trillion.

SPEAKER_01 19:11

Yeah, but like to do what? Nigga, you don't wear fly clothes, you your cars are shit, your body is weird, you do weird shit, you beg to be in weird places. Like, my nigga, help society. Like, here's the thing. I have a simple PR fix for Elon. Like, you want to be liked by people so bad, my nigga.

SPEAKER_06 19:29

He clearly he does.

SPEAKER_01 19:30

You want to be liked so bad, just help niggas. Like, you can literally America, don't even worry about world. Fuck world. Just focus on America. America first, and you can focus on South Africa too. Niggas don't need if niggas is not hungry or homeless, they will build statues of this nigga. That's like how humans are. Do you know how many niggas in the hood praise Trump for $1,200 check? A $1,200 check? That's crazy. I remember. So if you if niggas got $1,200 and was like, man, I'm fucked with Trump. Bro, they will literally build busts and statues of Elon as high. No, no, no, they'll be like Humbling in a real way. And he'll love it. He'll be like, Yes, I am bustling.

SPEAKER_06 20:15

But you know, the thing is, man, he was in the interview and he said that the biggest problem in the West is that we have too much empathy.

SPEAKER_01 20:23

Oh man, shut up, man. I you know I never.

SPEAKER_00 20:30

So that's yeah, that's the basis of a lot of that.

SPEAKER_01 20:31

I mean, and also like a lot of white people don't have empathy when it comes to shit like that.

SPEAKER_00 20:36

So and I think, you know, when you're trying to build a business in Silicon Valley, which you know, Elon, that's where he came up. You know, he built PayPal, the PayPal Mafia, you know, these guys, Larry Ellison, the founder of YouTube, Peter Teal, found uh co-founder, Palantir, all these guys were part of the mad evil niggas, bruh.

SPEAKER_01 20:54

Yeah, but like that nigga Peter Teal, but it's like a he's different.

SPEAKER_00 20:57

Yeah, it's a it's a dog eat dog world, especially at that time in Silicon Valley. It's very cutthroat. Everybody's trying to get in on the internet revolution.

SPEAKER_06 21:04

And so these people are trying to You can see how that mentality grows in that environment. Yeah, it's incentivized.

SPEAKER_00 21:10

It's incentivized to the city. Yeah, because they make themselves robots, right? So you and then you become the robot to be the most successful. That's what that's what the the game teaches you out there, you know? And so then you have that success and you extrapolate that into other places, and you never have anybody that checks you because you got too much money, everybody's a yes man.

SPEAKER_01 21:28

Yeah, too much empathy just coming out of your mouth.

SPEAKER_00 21:31

Except for his as his his child, one of his kids, like one of his kids is like Elon Musk? Yeah, one of Elon's kids is like a huge advocate against him. I think they're like a they them that they identify as trans, I believe. Yeah, but yeah, I don't know.

SPEAKER_01 21:44

I think so. I think that is the child, if I'm not mistaken. I also think that you know, there are certain professions that have been um marked as like good areas for psychopaths, like psychopaths thrive. And like CEO, CEO positions, narratistic, yeah, yeah, pilots.

SPEAKER_06 22:04

I almost think in any business that is what is incentivized.

SPEAKER_00 22:09

A little bit. Yeah, for sure.

SPEAKER_06 22:12

If you're trying to maximize uh like profit, then I feel like that is one of the behaviors that we incentivize, which is one of the big problems with like the overall socioeconomic system. That's the issue that we put in the case. Yeah, our incentives are in the wrong places.

SPEAKER_01 22:27

The biggest issue with like unfettered capitalism is that it incentivizes sociopathic anti-human behavior. So then when it gets to a point where we're like, water isn't a human right.

SPEAKER_07 22:39

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 22:39

When you get to that point, there's too much empathy. When you get to like things that are like just the complete opposite of what we believe to be good human qualities, then like, yeah, of course this nigga wants to be transhumanists and things like that. We already are transhuman. Like the this shit right here is like say that, yeah. It's like an external process. Symbiotic a little bit.

SPEAKER_00 23:00

I agree. I agree. It's 100% symbiotic. It's gonna get more symbiotic, though. It's gonna be uh you heard of BCIs, like brain computer interfaces.

SPEAKER_01 23:07

I I have heard of that.

SPEAKER_00 23:08

Yeah, so these are the these are the tools that hook electrodes up to your brain, and they you basically can use an AI algorithm to map what you think to the electrical output of your brain, and then you can use that to train a large language model to determine what words you're thinking of. That's so you can text from your brain, you can send messages from your brain, you can control things with your thoughts ultimately.

SPEAKER_01 23:30

Did you see the uh the scientists that kind of came up with a better uh interface for human for Neuralink? Instead of having to do an implant, they found a way to um it's like a mouthpiece, but you connect it to the roof of your mouth, and it obviously I don't know what the science is behind it. I'm not y'all niggas, but the it basically like connects to all like your neurons and synapses basically can like just you can control shit via vision. Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 23:58

I know that they was because they were testing that sort of thing with uh paraplegics, people that like dick.

SPEAKER_00 24:03

But that that was that was a surgical implant. You describing something less important.

SPEAKER_01 24:06

No, this is like no, it's not even surgical, it's like a it's like a retainer. That's almost what it looks like. Um, yeah, it should, I mean, I'm I'm sure it's crazy expensive. But um, yeah, there was I I was just watching a video that was running a test on it, and basically like was manual like was making decisions just sitting there, like on a computer.

SPEAKER_00 24:25

That's crazy.

SPEAKER_06 24:25

That's crazy.

SPEAKER_00 24:26

Yeah, no, there's uh um there's a cool video y'all can probably find. It's like a monkey that was hooked up to one of these brain computer interfaces and it was controlling like a robotic arm on the other side of the world. Because once you hook it up to the internet, you can control it from anywhere. Yeah, it doesn't matter, it doesn't have to be local. Yeah, that's wild.

SPEAKER_01 24:43

So then what so then, okay, if we get all this stuff, like this is the question that I have, and I think most people have, and I think that when we start to deal with like uh more sociopathic behaviors um and narcissistic behaviors from billionaires and things like that, tech tech bros, all this different shit. But the most part is like, okay, if we have all this advanced technology, then what's the incentive of people still struggling when y'all can like literally get rid of the struggle? Right.

SPEAKER_06 25:11

The question, and that's because we're like inserted towards the end of this thing. But if you look at where we're at now and like where we started, hunter-gatherers, it's like, why, why would you even join a society? Like, why would you stop doing that? And the things that you would hope that you would trade in for is like you get security and you have like more access to more things. But at each step of the way, that is like not what happened, you know? You imagine that people started farming, right? So there was more food, but they was really like farming the same thing, like they're all farming just corn or just wheat. So you're like malnourished, you're eating the same, you got a lot of food, but you're eating the same thing. And then like you gotta farm that, like you the human body is not made to like farm wheat every day. And so the situ you you almost instantly in society, we like we kind of lose. And then like we have all this new technology, like you the internet at the tip of your uh the tip of your your hands, but we get bombarded with shit that's not true or shit that's made to enrage us so that we see more ads to buy more things, and it's like it's it's it's already it's a very dystopian if you think about it.

SPEAKER_01 26:25

It is already kind of dystopian because I think the thing is is that um it also kind of plays on like certain impulses and triggers that we have, like sexuality triggers and things like that. Um, like the average day on Instagram is just like you're gonna get hit with so much like sexual shit that's just ads. Same things with like TikTok and things like that. It's like they invent and incentivize, they hack niggas and hack into niggas like sexual uh impulses in order to sell them, sell them things. Like they used to do the same thing with we talked about with beer. Like, just beer is just like oh yeah, let's just get a woman, have her tits out, she's pouring beer on herself, niggas will buy butt like. You know what I mean? It's just like basically, but I think it's also like an issue because people are spending a lot more time isolated spaces, but they're overwatching porn, so it's like fucking up how they even deal with humans and they even deal with women in general, yeah, or deal with themselves, you know what I mean? So I think it's there's no like real guidelines around it.

SPEAKER_06 27:28

No, there's not. And that's um, it's interesting that you bring that up because like we and we've talked about this before attraction or like a desire to to like be sexual, to have a relationship, whatever that means, that is probably one of the most natural desires that a living organism has, yeah. At all.

SPEAKER_01 27:47

It's it's the it is the thing. Right. It's the only thing, right?

SPEAKER_06 27:51

You remove that, and then in a generation that there's no there's nobody left.

SPEAKER_01 27:56

Yeah, well, and there's also a lot of movements towards um there's a lot of women that are like refusing to reproduce, right? Um, and there was I was watching some video where they was saying like the conditions have to be so fucked up for for the for an organism to decide not to reproduce.

SPEAKER_05 28:16

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 28:17

Like that, and they was like, you know, even no matter how it looks on the outside, anytime that this happens in nature, the conditions are so fucked up if people decide levels are high, so yeah, you know what I'm saying? They're like, they don't want to reproduce, that is a fucking issue.

SPEAKER_06 28:32

A common thing that happens in some species when they begin to um become overpopulated in the area, is you start to see like highly aggressive behavior, neurotic behavior, they'll start eating babies. Like something is a switch is like kicked on, and it's like we have to do something, or this is gonna spiral out of control and everybody's gonna die. Uh so very weird shit that starts happening. And yeah, I wonder if we're not like being subjected to this sort of thing, these like deep intrinsic instincts.

SPEAKER_00 29:04

Yeah, so so let me ask y'all this, right? Because we we talked a lot about AI. You we I I think we're all on the same page about knowing a lot of these AI algorithms that control our social media feeds were dictated by casino engineers, like the same people that design slot machines to make you stay at the slot machine. You don't get the same amount of, you don't get like intense gratification every time, you get mild gratification for a little bit, intense gratification, then the next one kind of mild, and it kind of keeps you stringing along long enough and has a certain randomness.

SPEAKER_06 29:31

It's called an intermittent reward.

SPEAKER_00 29:33

Intermittent reward system. Yeah, I think that's something like that. Um, but with AI in the mix, right? And you talk about AI art, like I feel like the the almost unanimous sentiment from humanity with a lot of the AI art that comes out is like that's trash. Right now, some of it is good. You know, I I like work with some AI artists and I think they make some dope stuff, but it's you have to be really tasteful about it. But I think the overall quality of the content we're seeing on social media because of AI just doesn't feel as human and authentic, and it feels like the pull of it on us is going down a little bit. Like its ability to actually hook us in and engage us. I'm like, I feel like specifically AI art, you mean? Well, because there's like an over-AIFACON of content on social media. It doesn't hit as hard. Like the the it's not, it's not as much, it's not as addictive.

SPEAKER_01 30:20

So here's the thing. Uh y'all can speak more to this than me, but I know that there's like just certain instincts that we have to be able to recognize like non-human humanoids, like things that appear as human but are not. I don't know why we have that.

SPEAKER_00 30:36

Uncanny Valley experience where something looks human, but it's like a little creepy.

SPEAKER_01 30:39

I think that is what the fucking that is like that natural instinct is like why we have such a pushback.

SPEAKER_06 30:45

And that's how you can tell that it's AI, honestly.

SPEAKER_01 30:48

Yeah, well, I tell people all the time, like the cadence, like every I'm I know I talk to people all the fucking time. I listen to people talk all the time. Nobody talks in that cadence. That cadence is weird.

SPEAKER_06 30:58

I could tell that's how I could tell it's all over TikTok, and I guess all short form is people basically reading Chat GPT generated scripts, and you can tell, and it's because I yeah, it's like you said, you talk, I don't know anybody who talks like this. The cadence, and then you can always the same.

SPEAKER_00 31:12

If people use the word quietly and they stuff now, I'll be like, ah, it's quietly doing this, quietly doing. I'm like, nobody really talks like that.

SPEAKER_06 31:18

And there's a lot of things, and I guess what where it sticks out is that a lot of people do them.

SPEAKER_00 31:22

But I think here's the challenge with that, right? AI today is not what AI is gonna be in two years. It's gonna get increasingly better at fooling us. That uncanny experience that we had. Like, I show this in some of the talks I do, that Will Smith's spaghetti video from like 2023 where his face is all screwed up, he's eating spaghetti. It's like, it's trash. And the one today is like, if you scroll on social media and sorry.

SPEAKER_01 31:45

I mean, I think it but it isn't to your point, it's an improvement.

SPEAKER_00 31:50

But let me say this, right?

SPEAKER_01 31:51

We're also I also think that that video specifically is the downfall of his career. That's interesting. Ever since that spaghetti stuff? Yeah, ever since that AI video came out, his life has been on a perpetual downhill.

SPEAKER_00 32:03

I want to revisit that, but of another real quick. Sacrificial lamb.

SPEAKER_01 32:06

So I think he sold his soul to the digital world.

SPEAKER_00 32:08

Interesting. So, so okay, okay. This is a real theory that I have, too. But it's interesting. Yeah, I feel like people are gonna take that at face value. So wait, wait, wait, wait. So I think so. I think what's happened though is that we have we're kind of like chronically online, right? We're native to the internet, not you. Okay, Dakota is never online.

SPEAKER_06 32:27

Dakota, I create content, I don't consume it.

SPEAKER_00 32:30

Right, okay. Dakota.

SPEAKER_01 32:33

What I'm saying is y'all on here calling me light skinned. You know how long I'm gonna hold that against you? Light skinned? No. You think I'm light skinned? Y'all on here calling me light skinned? You're talking about the threads, bro.

SPEAKER_02 32:43

Yeah, bro. Behind my back. I'm just saying, I'm just saying you be online, man. During Black History Month. Yeah, bro. Behind my back? We bought it.

SPEAKER_01 32:55

This nigga is a thirst trap doctor, man. Thirst trap doctor is clear.

SPEAKER_00 32:59

It's not supposed to be about that.

SPEAKER_01 33:02

That's not what we get in the game. I understand, bro. This is not what we do.

SPEAKER_06 33:06

All I want to do is educate. I want to uplift. That's all I want to do. I want to treat everybody equally. I want equality. I want everything. Like AI.

SPEAKER_00 33:15

You know, but my point is all that shit, man. I feel like we're harder to fool with uh even as AI gets better, but like you look at Facebook, it's full of boomers and Gen Xers that are getting duped and screwed up.

SPEAKER_01 33:30

Yeah, but they're also about to die. I mean, some people in their face Bro, I you you, I mean, y'all I'm I I say that like I say that being like facetious, but I'm saying like Well, they're gonna live, we live it longer and longer too. Yeah, the thing is, is that the the people, nobody takes Facebook users seriously.

SPEAKER_06 33:48

But it's a unanimous, but way more people are on Facebook than any of the other platforms. That's the thing. There's a there is a connotation about them, but that is the biggest, that's still the biggest platform.

SPEAKER_01 34:00

Yeah, because that's where all the.

SPEAKER_06 34:02

And I also think that a bunch of people that is our age and younger are getting fooled by AI stuff. Like I've been fooled a few times. I would say that the vast majority of people are getting fooled. Like if you go into the comments of a video, they'll be like, obviously, this is fake. Or maybe I'll have a suspicion that it's fake.

SPEAKER_01 34:18

Yeah, but that's now I'm skeptical of everything.

unknown 34:21

Right.

SPEAKER_00 34:21

Because that's how you should be. Now you're thinking like a scientist. So now we over-index on skepticism, and now we don't believe anything we see on the internet. Now the quality conspiracy theories. But now the quality of the content we're consuming in our experience is going down because we like, eh, I don't believe any of this stuff.

SPEAKER_01 34:34

Well, here's the thing: this is where the, in my opinion, this is where I see it going. It's gonna become down to taste, for one, which is you can't recreate taste, and then it's gonna come down to like humans are gonna have to like really make an effort to produce the type of content they want to see, which we already do in a way, but there's also gonna be different aspects to it that adds value, like a live show aspect, um, the live show aspect is gonna and long form content. It's very hard for it to generate long form content from what I've seen, and it be good.

SPEAKER_00 35:08

I mean, it can do it, but yeah, good, good, not yet.

SPEAKER_01 35:11

I seen a movie recently that was one of the most dog shit movies I ever seen in my life. And I I'm not gonna air these people out. But um whisper it. Moses the black uh starring Omar Epps. It's such a dog shit movie. But the thing is like it, I don't I think they unreleased it. I think that's how bad it is. And private. Yeah, like they like there was promotion for it, and then I just seen it nowhere. Yeah and basically my point. It's about nothing. Because the script was clearly AI. Because there is no plot.

SPEAKER_00 35:51

How did it get that far down the production line?

SPEAKER_06 35:53

I feel like there's a lot of movies that are like that though, and I feel like that hit that it's like the whole thing of a Netflix movie. Right? That's like the that's what people mean when they say, oh, it's like a Netflix movie that's designed for people that are addicted to TikTok and not even really watching.

SPEAKER_01 36:07

Oh, the the the second screen films. Yeah, yeah, yeah. The second what is it called? Second screen. Yeah, I know what you're talking about.

SPEAKER_00 36:13

But they make the movies, they read so they're designed for you to like be on your phone. What you watch?

SPEAKER_01 36:18

In those films, they reiterate the plot several times. In this film, there is no plot. It's just I think the thing is like, oh, it's this dude, he just got out of prison. Same old story. He gets back in the streets, he has a change of heart, and he wants to become, I guess, uh Moses wants to free his people from the streets. I don't the nigga that movie is ass cheeks. Um just bleep the name out. I don't know. I'm not under any NDAs or anything, but still.

SPEAKER_06 36:49

That shit sucks. Oh, you watched it like you watched it in like a secret screening or something?

SPEAKER_01 36:54

Yeah, they sent me a screener and it was like I was like, this fucking sucks.

SPEAKER_06 36:59

Yeah, we'll have our guy edit that out, maybe.

SPEAKER_01 37:02

Because maybe there is an NDA. I don't know. It's also produced by 50 Cent. But it's a shit movie, man. And I and the thing is, it's like some movies just be bad though. They're a bad movie, and I wanted it to be good. So outside of the first 20 minutes of me just wanting it to be good and just having to accept this movie is shit, and then I sat through another 90 minutes of just dog shit movie. Yeah, fucking sucked. Uh, what kind of movies do you like? Um, I like heavy, like heavy dialogue movies. Um, I like a Hateful Eight. Uh Fargo is my favorite TV series. Okay. Um I like Ozarks and shit like that. Like more. You know, like Mindhunter, things like that. Mindhunter was good. That's my that's my type of vibe. I don't know. You know, I like A24 for the most part. They make pretty good movies. They be hit or miss lately, too. For real?

SPEAKER_06 37:49

I feel like every A24 movie I see is always good.

unknown 37:52

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 37:53

But I haven't seen a lot recently. You ain't digging in the crates, though. They got some shit in there. I was like, what the fuck am I watching? Yeah. Because I went, because I had, I'm of that, like, of that mind. Like, if I like an actor, I'll watch all their movies. If I like a production company, I go watch all their movies. Man, A24 got some shit that's way out there. Yeah. I don't know what's going on. But I like that begonia though.

SPEAKER_06 38:13

That was pretty good. I thought that shit was fire. That shit was funny. Until the the last minute, the second that I guess spoiler alert, whatever. Uh, when the have you seen it? Oh. When are you gonna see it? No, he's not gonna see it.

SPEAKER_00 38:26

Yeah, maybe he's not gonna see it.

SPEAKER_06 38:28

Uh yeah, spoiler alert, uh, begonia. So it's about this like this white boss babe that is trying to toe the line between being this like uh production maximalist, but also caring about, you know, don't work too hard. Like, take go home early if you if you need to, take a day if you need to, but make sure you get your work done. But yeah, but make sure that you go ahead and and like do your self-care.

SPEAKER_01 38:55

But she wants to be empathetic, but she also wants to be a capitalist.

SPEAKER_06 38:58

So it's like right, which is the which I think is uh interesting commentary because that's what that's what's popular right now from everybody.

SPEAKER_00 39:05

That's every CEO's script. Well, that's the one they try to try to add.

SPEAKER_06 39:09

Yeah. And she gets kidnapped by some conspiracy theorists who think that she's an alien from the Andromeda Galaxy, and they like interrogating her and trying to see and think that she's like ruining the the earth. Again, I think interesting because I would say that you know, her as the head of corporations is ruining, it is ruining everything. And specifically, it was like his mom got sick and it was something to do with her company. And so she like they were they were right in a sense, but they thought she was an alien. And then in the end of the movie, you find out that she actually was an alien the whole time. She was like the leader of the Andromeda galaxy.

SPEAKER_01 39:48

Oh wow, and also that's crazy. Popped a bubble and wiped Earth out. Oh, yeah, killed everybody.

SPEAKER_06 39:53

Yeah, literally Wait, popped a bubble? There was like this flat earth bubble again, it's like this play on this conspiracy theory, and they were deciding whether or not humans deserve to live, and they decided that we didn't.

SPEAKER_01 40:05

So they just like literally popped a bubble and we were everybody died. And then they like came back to Earth and they look at a bunch of random scenes. Yeah, just how everybody died.

SPEAKER_06 40:14

It's actually, I thought it was a really good movie. Uh that shit was fire.

SPEAKER_01 40:16

That was A24?

SPEAKER_06 40:17

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 40:18

That shit was fire.

SPEAKER_01 40:19

I thought it was really good.

SPEAKER_00 40:20

Yeah, just it's worth watching. That sounds like my type of movie, but now I knew the whole plot.

SPEAKER_01 40:24

Well, I mean, to be honest, even though you know the whole plot, you would still think it would be entertained by because you don't know what's going on for real. But yeah, man, that shit was fire. Um, I think that the point to like this whole toe in the line, just just you have to go in one direction or another, right? And I think that the way that most companies could solve that is a four-day work week.

SPEAKER_06 40:47

That would be not a lot of people would appreciate that.

SPEAKER_01 40:50

I think that that's how you that's how you like get there. Like if you want to be empathetic and people like reclaim their time, but also maximize their work potential, then have them do it in four days instead of five. Because that's the whole, that's the that gets rid of the hump day.

SPEAKER_06 41:06

It does. I imagine that what companies would do then is just they would hire like a different batch, or they would like cut people time in half and then hire like two people to work on either half of the week or something. It's like from a company's perspective, there where where are the incentives for them to do that?

SPEAKER_01 41:23

Okay, but I think that there's a thing of I don't I don't see I don't know if companies do like trial and error. Do they like even invest their time and like seeing if things work and scaling back? Research and development. Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 41:35

Well, because I would think that if we have I feel like we've not really heard of companies trying a four-day work week. Oh, definitely.

SPEAKER_00 41:42

Definitely like post-pandemic, there's a lot of corporate offices that have three or four-day work weeks. Oh, really? Sure. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 41:47

I just think that it would be but I think not remote. But I think I think it's three days in office, two days remote, or something.

SPEAKER_00 41:55

So that's not a three day. That's not really the week. Four days of work total.

SPEAKER_01 41:59

Yeah, like a three-day weekend. A three-day weekend. Now I think that would it, what that does, because here's the issue with a weekend. And it's designed this way. The first day you're off, you're like, oh, I get to chill, I get to relax. But it's also like, it's Saturday. So I got a lot of free time to do things. I gotta do something or run errands or catch up on laundry or do this thing. And then Saturday night, you're thinking about, damn, after tomorrow I gotta go to the house. It's just like it fucks it up. Whereas like if you was out Friday, Saturday, Sunday, oh, that's enough. Three days really is a game changer. So I think if we can keep up the same level of production, which you probably will, um, because it people will be incentivized to like really do their work because it's like, shit, bro, it's like after two days of work, I got two days left. I'm out this bitch. You know what I'm saying? Also, you could plan like a decent little weekend. You could plan a, we're gonna leave Friday morning, we're gonna go see my parents, we're gonna stay there Friday night, Saturday, we'll come back Sunday, get back to work. That like, it stretches out also the vacation time, people will take less PTO, people will take less vacation time because if now the other thing too is like we'll probably see a boom in dentist offices and and doctor's offices on Fridays and things like that, it'd probably be the busiest day of the week for them, which is actually a good thing too, in the long term, or to incentivize some doctors' offices maybe to close down on a Monday and open up uh Friday and Saturday.

SPEAKER_00 43:26

Yeah, I could I could see it in theory. I think the challenge with that in a capitalistic society is the competition aspect.

SPEAKER_06 43:33

Yeah, right, because you kind of like lose into another company.

SPEAKER_00 43:35

This is why it's like yeah, if it's like if I'm NVIDIA and I make AI chips and I give everybody four day work week, oh, everybody's happy at my company, but then AMD is like, well, we're gonna work a five day work week and we're gonna be open on Friday, so we could take all these different we can get this business on Friday that y'all can't get.

SPEAKER_01 43:51

Okay, well, how about this? How about we do four tens, four tens, and then we do three three twelve.

SPEAKER_00 44:00

40 hour work week still.

SPEAKER_01 44:01

Yeah, 40 hour work. I mean, I I guess I guess it would make sense. If we're gonna still do it like that, because at the end of the day, the three days off is really the incentive. And then you get a cut another crew to come in for 312s and they work 36 hours, but they work in longer days, but they work, they are four days, and so they could probably have another part-time job if they want to. Yeah. That's way the incentive.

SPEAKER_06 44:24

I definitely agree that that would be better.

SPEAKER_01 44:27

It would be way better. It was the so when I work, my my favorite job that I ever had is also ironically the job where I made the most money as a young person. Um I was 22, I was a supervisor at this warehouse. Uh we was taking plastics and turning it into synthetic crude oil. And I literally started at the bottom of that company and worked my way up to a supervisor position, which is like middle management. So, and I did all that within two years. But it was like a system, and I really was fascinated by the system. So I was like, would just use the handbook and learn like the different, I would look through the SKUs and all that different shit. Like, I was like, this shit is fire. And I literally learned every system in there and then was helping supervisors with their work because I knew more about the shit than they did. And it was like, and one of the dudes at the company was like, we should just make him a supervisor. Why are we paying him to advise other niggas? Like, why is he getting $22 an hour and he doesn't know how to do his fucking job? How about we give this dude a shot for like maybe 30 days and see how little young bootlicking Deontay?

SPEAKER_06 45:26

Little bootlicking, man.

SPEAKER_01 45:28

I wasn't bootlicking out outsmarting those niggas in a real way. That's funny as shit, though. But nah, yeah, but shit, I I brought this the first time I felt like a nigga pulled himself all the way up by his own. I ain't gonna lie. I ain't gonna lie. If uh if I would have become like the president or CEO of that company, I would have been a pull yourself up by your bootstraps ass nigga, because I had the whole story. But either way, um, bro, we would work four twelves and we would be off for four days.

SPEAKER_06 45:56

So even though our I do feel like that's common in warehouse factory type jobs, bro.

SPEAKER_01 46:01

It was the best though.

SPEAKER_06 46:02

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 46:02

After after your first day off, like like you literally, like, all right, I'm gonna take the first day and I'ma just rest. And like that's common in my family. Like everybody already know, like, dad finna get some sleep. Okay, cool. Bruh, I got three days off after this. It's like literally having a vacation every week. Now, them 412s ain't no hoe. It this is a damn near 50 hour work week, but yeah, bruh, you also get like all this other time off. And it's like you could plan your schedule around. Like, I know I'm gonna be off these days through this day, so I could plan a whole vacation. I don't have to even take no PTO.

SPEAKER_00 46:37

Yeah, that shit was fire. It just makes me wonder why somebody else hasn't done it at scale.

SPEAKER_01 46:44

Because um, I don't know, because maybe, maybe there's the idea that too much time off leaves people to what? Well, maybe uh look for better opportunity or whatever the case may be. I don't know.

SPEAKER_06 46:57

I think a lot of it is also convention, it's like companies do what like companies have been doing.

SPEAKER_01 47:02

Yeah, I think it's just system instruction is what we used to do.

SPEAKER_06 47:05

Yeah, right. It's very systemized.

SPEAKER_01 47:06

Yeah. They would have to adapt. And also, you know, there's not a like like they they don't see like rewarding people's happiness as like this is something me and Justin Scott was talking about. It's like they don't know how to monetize joy, they know how to monetize like anger and suffering and things like that. These are all things that they figured out how to package, but the but like the only way that um people experience joy, like true human joy, is like they haven't figured out how to like sell that back to us. They try all the time with like vacations or diets or whatever the things.

SPEAKER_06 47:41

Yeah, and things, things, like stuff, like you know what I'm saying.

SPEAKER_01 47:44

But that doesn't really actually contribute to human joy, yeah, at all. It doesn't. So it actually aids in suffering. Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 47:50

So the thing is Well, I guess like the things that would make you happy are all the things that we aren't focusing on and doing.

SPEAKER_01 47:56

It would it literally just rest. Yeah, literally just yeah, it's like slows down the machine. Yeah, it slows down the machine. Well, it but but it also makes people critical of the machine. Because like, damn, bro, like why are we if if if in mass everybody adopted a four-day work week, and even if it was the four-day not, four day on, four off, not only would you have more employees, yeah, but you probably would increase your productivity. All right, so let me ask you this.

SPEAKER_06 48:21

Let's assume so one of the things that a lot of the the tech uh the CEOs and leaders um espouse is that with all of these AI advancements, that people won't have to work, right? There's like the the utopia, which is like you don't have to do bullshit because it can be done for you. And then like, you know, we talked about UBI being insufficient or whatever, but ideally, it could not it could be a better way where everything was done and shit was great.

SPEAKER_01 48:49

What do you think a decent UBI would be before you keep going?

SPEAKER_06 48:53

A decent UBI a person monthly. Okay, dependent on where you lived, I would say some whatever the number is, I would say that put you in middle class in that area. So like $7,500 a month?

SPEAKER_01 49:07

Depending on where you are. If you live in Atlanta, I think $7,500 a month is cool. You think so? I think I'll just for influence.

SPEAKER_06 49:12

What's like a normal rent in Atlanta? I don't fucking know.

SPEAKER_00 49:15

$7,500 a month. That's like six figures a year, right?

SPEAKER_01 49:18

That's under, it's under just I think it's like 96, right?

SPEAKER_00 49:21

7,500 times 12.

SPEAKER_06 49:22

You're getting close. You like it 95? I think it's like 96. I think it's like, yeah, I think it's eight just under times 12. That's not doing it for you in LA. Nah. Well, just so then you adjust.

SPEAKER_01 49:32

You adjust. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And also the LA economy. 90. Yeah. So the LA economy would be better. They would, they would be, I mean, that's where all the shit is anyway.

SPEAKER_06 49:43

Would people be happy though, if they didn't have to work and they just had to do what we're doing?

SPEAKER_01 49:48

We're going to find other things to do. That just is what it is. There's going to be a period of like uncertainty. There's going to be a period of anxiety. There's going to be a period of people not knowing what to do. And then there's going to be a slow progression into more hobbyists, more art, more people focus on wellness and things like that. It's just that we've been conditioned to be labor laborious. And that's the only thing that we've been incentivized to do is labor and labor for big corporations. If we don't have to do that, we'll figure it out. A lot of people, and and also this will stop a lot of the hustle culture shit. This will stop all that because people are like, bro, I don't have to hustle, bruh. So then now entrepreneurship will be for people who genuinely want to be entrepreneurs. Yeah. And art will be genuinely for artists. But I think this doesn't like we don't have to have like a slavery model in order to have a progressive society. That just is the model of American and the West, just in general.

SPEAKER_00 50:44

Right. Yeah, no, you're absolutely right, man. We were kind of talking yesterday about like traveling through Thailand and some of these Asian countries and seeing their philosophy on life is so different. Like Buddhism is the prevailing religion in Thailand. And just the way that they approach things, completely different. Their priority system, their value sets. Like it doesn't have to be like this to have a functional society.

SPEAKER_06 51:06

What is what are what would you like? What are some key points that you would say as far as like whatever they their virtues are?

SPEAKER_00 51:12

In terms of Buddhism, I think one of the biggest things is like you were an extension of me. That was one of the most powerful things that I felt like I took away from that. Like I remember I was going to a Buddhist temple in Thailand to just check out the scene. And they said you're not supposed to like have sleeveless stuff, you're not supposed to show your arms, that's disrespectful. But I had a tank top on that day, it was like 96 degrees. So I walked to the store, I'm like, hey, I'm I need to get like a sleeve shirt. And a lady was like, no, you don't need that. It's actually okay to do it in this temple. And I was like, dang, I was okay, a mark from the United States, and you didn't monetize because you felt like it would be wrong, because I'm an extension of you. And like that was kind of her whole philosophy on things. And I can just appreciate that, especially in countries like Japan and Thailand.

SPEAKER_06 51:54

I think that's a uh byproduct of the of like buttons. I think religion.

SPEAKER_00 51:58

I think Buddhism has a strong influence, but I also think when you live in a country where a lot of people look like you, that's also so I think, you know, I think that's also where things like that can happen more readily. I don't think it's always the case. Um, another thing that came to my mind when when you talked about kind of the almost like the potential utopia of it all, Deontay, is like there was this essay that's been making a lot of waves that's like shocked the stock market like a few days ago. It's called the 2028 Intelligence Crisis. I don't know if y'all heard about this.

SPEAKER_06 52:28

Gen Z's dumb, dumber, they have a lower I think. I think that was in the previous.

SPEAKER_00 52:31

Well, Gen Z scores lower on test assessments. I think that might have been a part of it, but it was really about the capabilities of AI growing exponentially and how it's basically gonna overtake all known white-collar corporate knowledge work and how the the disaster scenario that that would cause for the economy and the markets, and it really painted a grim portrait of our future in a in that lens, right? But if like the the what you're describing is what comes from the ashes of that, which would be a great life for a lot of people, you know, which is we're gonna have to like if we want to reshape society, this is something I think about like damn near endlessly.

SPEAKER_01 53:08

So um Gen Z being like school and lower on like standardized testing, right? Is that an issue or do we not know what other form of intelligence they excel at?

SPEAKER_00 53:22

Yeah, I I think that's a big point.

SPEAKER_01 53:24

They're good at social media, yeah. Yeah, but but but we don't but like how does that like what is the other side of that? I mean, that's like the thing that we can look to, but like what yeah how what is the transferable skill of that?

SPEAKER_00 53:36

Right. So I think you bring up a great point, right? When you think of the standardized tests from hundreds or thousands of years ago, and Sparta, the standardized test was a gauntlet to see if you could survive and be tough, right? And and be a soldier, and that that would be unethical in a lot of places today. The standardized test that we use to measure students' intelligence today aren't measuring their ability to functionally succeed in the real world. Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 54:00

And we've all had that experience for like because what it is because what's required to functionally succeed is different than what it always has been, is overjured.

SPEAKER_00 54:06

Is that the I mean, I think it's different from what it's been like we all feel that way. Like, what was the stuff that we've taken on a standardized test that we really use every single day? Yeah, it's just even worse now.

SPEAKER_01 54:16

It's more so pattern recognition. Like, I like what would they do? Like, once you became the kid that understood they're asking me the same 10 questions, 10 different ways.

SPEAKER_06 54:25

Yeah, there's a way to get good at so I had to take the GRE for grad school, and you literally can like pay for tutors, yeah, and they'll teach you how to take that test better.

SPEAKER_01 54:35

Yeah, because it's but like it was something I got hip to with bubble with scantron. Yeah, yeah. I was thinking about that. Oh, this is the fucking same question. They just ask me several different ways. What's the consistent answer? Yeah, because all the the all it took him for there is a right answer, but it has to be the right answer consistently. This is the same thing they do on job interview assessments, it's the same questions they ask you in 10 different ways to to like gauge consistency in this thought process. So if I make it apparent to you that what I'm asking, okay, but what about if I ask you the same thing and it's not as apparent? What if I ask you the same thing and it's depersonalized? It's all it is. And it's like, I don't so so to your point, it's like, yeah, they they may not have like the same standard, standardized intelligence, but they also like don't drink as much, don't do drugs as much, they're less violent, and then those are there's numbers to back that up. They're not fucking either.

SPEAKER_06 55:30

So it's like a huge divide between the men and women.

SPEAKER_01 55:33

It's it's insane, you know what I'm saying? But we don't know, like we can see we could point to social media as being like a catalyst for that behavior, but we can also point to it as like an adaptive nature that they're going through. Like, yeah, they they've observed the world in a different space than we ever had. So we don't really get to a place of like true understanding of them because we can only see it from the lens of like, bro. We used to go outside, you know what I'm saying? We still we we old niggas now, like that's how we sound. Like, back in my day, we would just go outside. We everybody would be on bikes and we'd be moving now. I'm I'm I be getting down with that conversation too. It's not the shit on it, it's just the reality of how I grew up.

SPEAKER_06 56:11

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 56:11

And and it's really just a a testament that I just don't understand, y'all. And that's okay. But they also are kind of snarky and how they like like shut your old ass up. Like they, it's like, I just want to understand you. But it's like, I think that generational divide, that's some human shit. Very normal, it happens all. It happens every time.

SPEAKER_00 56:31

Yeah, we got we got shit for going into the workforce and being entitled and eating, what was it? People were saying avocado toast. I never did that shit, but people were saying that was a good thing.

SPEAKER_01 56:40

It's not that great of a uh it's not, it's it's decent. A little soft scrambled egg with avocado is pretty good.

SPEAKER_00 56:45

Oh sorry, I never had it before. You had this? You've never had avocado toast before? No, I never had it. I feel like because people said people like me do it, I just didn't want to do it. Latte, you ever had a latte? No, I never had a latte. I never had a latte. I don't drink coffee.

SPEAKER_01 56:59

I I fucked a latte up right now. Oh, well then that I mean. Yeah, yeah, I felt coffee.

SPEAKER_06 57:03

I got addicted to coffee. Interesting thing, usually the overconsumption of anything is bad for you, but they've done a lot of studies on coffee consumption. Uh, and there isn't really aside from like an elevated heart rate. Sounds a little biased.

SPEAKER_01 57:17

I don't know. I'm I'm I'm down for this science part because I'm that I'm all in on coffee. Like, I as when I started driving trucks, I became like a fucking same thing.

SPEAKER_00 57:25

Yeah, in grad when I used to have to stay up all night, I just got a dick. And and who was this research funded by? Big coffee?

SPEAKER_01 57:31

Nah, I will have to look up to pull up the specific studies, but it's very difficult I feel like all the negative stereotypes about coffee come directly from Lipton. So from Lipton specifically. Yeah, they're trying to get niggas to drink. Yeah, fuck fuck ass tea.

SPEAKER_06 57:44

Man, do you know what's crazy? All of the a lot of the coffees that we know of, like lattes, um, you know, macchiatos, they have a lot of these Italian, a lot of these European names. And I was surprised to find out that coffee comes from Africa. Yeah, for sure.

SPEAKER_01 58:01

Ethiopia. Yeah. So that's the company that I partner with, uh Coffee Black. Um, and they basically built the supply chain directly to Ethiopia.

SPEAKER_06 58:11

Oh, that's dope.

SPEAKER_01 58:11

And they did a part of their company is like doing the research and the history of Ethiopian coffee. And honestly, Ethiopia Ethiopian coffee is superior. It's just better, it tastes great. Big Cat doesn't even drink coffee. And I get him like, Brad. Is this an ad right now that I just looked like?

SPEAKER_06 58:30

It's like, look, he doesn't even drink coffee and he loves it.

SPEAKER_01 58:33

I don't mean to I don't mean the advertisement, but it is really not good. So yeah, you know, I was like, go ahead and do your thing, McDonald's. You know what I'm saying? They're not paying me for this. You know what I'm saying? I just really fuck with them niggas.

SPEAKER_06 58:42

You know the story, uh, well, the legend at least about how it was found. It was a uh a goat herder in Ethiopia, and he like he started uh having his goats like graze in a new area, and he noticed that they was just like they was like hopped up on energy one day and going crazy, and he realized that they were eating this new plant, these little beans, and then that allegedly is the story. Makes sense.

SPEAKER_01 59:05

Okay, so here's the thing there's also, I think this is in India. There's this it might be a South America, it doesn't matter where it's at, whatever it is. It does matter and we'll get there. But there's these cats that eat coffee beans and they shit them out and they brew the cat shit. You said this was in Europe. These are people of color, man. I promise.

SPEAKER_06 59:31

Sorry. They shit out the beans whole and then they grind the beans and drink the coffee. They I don't uh we found that. Toxoplasmosis. That's the parasite, right? That you get it's a you get a brain parasite.

SPEAKER_01 59:46

That's probably on you right now. You know what I'm saying? Toxoplasmosis. He starts acting as a big thing.

SPEAKER_06 59:50

What are some of the mood symptoms? Um fucking sarcastic asshole, dickhead, sleaze bag, yeah, yeah, scumball.

SPEAKER_02 1:00:01

Probably got that shit.

SPEAKER_06 1:00:02

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:00:03

You just start acting like a cat. He coughs up a lot of hair balls. Niggas start licking their paws. A lot of stuff groomed. You are pretty well groomed toxoplasm.

SPEAKER_06 1:00:13

You know what? You are pretty well groomed, dude, too. That's crazy how men gotta compliment each other. Like, bro, just tell him you think he's hot, man. He like was good, bro.

SPEAKER_01 1:00:22

I was trying to carry on with the cat joke. Yeah, you making it weird.

SPEAKER_00 1:00:25

Oh, well groomed. He's always trying to take it there, though. We're trying to educate people and shit. Yeah, bro. This toxic masculine big time. Performative male.

SPEAKER_04 1:00:35

Yeah, he's a perform. He's a performative male, boy. 100%. He's 100% the performative male. You know what I'm saying? You know what I'm saying? You could, you could, you could it kills me, bro. It kills me, bro. I feel like crazy.

SPEAKER_02 1:00:55

That's crazy, bro.

SPEAKER_06 1:00:57

Okay, uh tender, swollen limp nose. Okay. Um, fever, muscle aches, fatigue, sore throat.

SPEAKER_01 1:01:04

Okay, no, this is uh, so this is Southeast Asia. Oh, okay. So um part of Southeast Asia, to say.

SPEAKER_00 1:01:11

Um That's where Thailand is, too. Indonesia.

SPEAKER_06 1:01:14

And they let the cats eat the beans, which cats are carnivores.

SPEAKER_01 1:01:17

So they force it down their throat? No, no, no, no. So this is coquial. Cats don't eat beans. Coke luck or cat poop coffee is one of the world's most expensive coffees, priced at a hundred between $100 and $600 per pound, produced in Southeast Asia from coffee cherries eaten, partially digested, and shit out by Asian palm savvet. Cat. That's disgusting.

SPEAKER_06 1:01:44

You gotta drink that, bro. I feel like that's absolutely disgusting.

SPEAKER_01 1:01:46

And uh, but I also think Would you, if we was in Southeast Asia, would you try it? Probably. I would too.

SPEAKER_06 1:01:52

Probably how did it I would look up if there's any bacteria out of that? I mean that's what I'm saying. Because it shitted it out. It's literally shit.

SPEAKER_00 1:01:58

It's literally the bacteria, it's bit the garbage.

SPEAKER_06 1:02:00

The dead back, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:02:01

It's the waste product.

SPEAKER_06 1:02:02

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:02:03

Hold on. The practice originated in Indonesia during the 19th century Dutch colonial era where local farmers were forbidden from picking coffee for themselves.

SPEAKER_06 1:02:13

So they found a loophole and they had the they gave it to the cat and then went back. It's like trying to sneak some shit into prison. You like fold up or pull it out your butt.

SPEAKER_00 1:02:22

Does it taste good? I don't feel like we heard anything about it.

SPEAKER_01 1:02:24

I mean, it's very expensive. And I don't know. There's maybe there's no science behind it. Maybe it's all a state.

SPEAKER_06 1:02:30

How we like value things. Because that doesn't sound like something I'm gonna pay a lot for.

SPEAKER_01 1:02:34

First of all, like I'm not trying to find out what's we got cats here. Yeah, I'm not trying to find out what's in their shit.

SPEAKER_00 1:02:39

I mean, I think it's the same way we value art in theory, right? Like the process that was used to make it. Andy Warhol pisses on the canvas in Brooklyn, and then we call it a $20 million painting.

SPEAKER_01 1:02:50

Well, fuck Andy Warhol, but also Yeah, bro. It's Black History Month. Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 1:02:53

And they know the artist you know, bro. Is Andy Warhol? Carrie James Marta pissed.

SPEAKER_00 1:03:00

If anything, I'm putting down the canvas. That's the thing.

SPEAKER_01 1:03:03

Well, no, at least that's I think I think this is where what you're getting at is also like high-level money laundering, too. That's a part of it. That's a part of it. I guess. It's just money laundering, that's all it is. Yeah. Yeah, because he Yanny Warhow made nothing worthy of selling. Think so? I don't that actually might probably be a hot take. I don't think so. You don't think so? I mean, pop art is fine. I don't think it should make you famous. I think it would have been like because But it becomes pop though at a point, right?

unknown 1:03:32

Right?

SPEAKER_01 1:03:32

It's not like So there's this idea that like there so here's the thing. Okay, well, you know what? Maybe you're right. Because maybe his thing was a critique on capitalism to the point where he became a capitalist himself.

SPEAKER_00 1:03:44

That's how it works, right? That is. That's rap culture, ain't it?

SPEAKER_01 1:03:47

I think I don't think there's a lot of critiques of capitalism.

SPEAKER_00 1:03:52

Well, it's almost a critique of the system. That's how it originated, hip-hop.

SPEAKER_01 1:03:56

Yeah, well, those people didn't become like staunch capitalists either. Right. Like most most Dev Talib Kali, they Oh, like the hip-hop heads of death, but then there was the they find ways to do well for themselves, but not in music.

SPEAKER_00 1:04:08

Right, but then there was like the MC Hammers, the commercializers of it, the run DMC. Vanilla Ice. Vanilla Ice, appropriate.

SPEAKER_01 1:04:16

You know what I'm saying? It opens up, Marky Mark. Big time races. Big time races. Big time racing. Big time racing. And then the nigga dropped good vibrations, and then he was a Paul Thomas Anderson movie, and then that was all she wrote for his career. Paul Thomas Anderson made a movie about Marky Mark just having a big old dick. Really? Y'all know that movie?

SPEAKER_06 1:04:37

Nah, but you were a little more tapped in thanks to the city.

SPEAKER_01 1:04:40

Well, I saw I'm telling you, when I get into directors, like I really do. So the thing is, is like he was like a porn star in the boom of the porn industry, late 80s, early 90s. And it goes through like his his uh his like collection of videos? No, bruh. His ascent, his ascent as like a famous porn star. He's funny as shit. His ascent as a famous porn star and then his descent, where it just becomes weird. Like this nigga just becomes like this somebody comes in and replaces him, so he's not as famous.

SPEAKER_06 1:05:11

When I first moved out here, it was COVID. The gyms were locked down. I used to go to this Crunch Fitness way out in Wii Ho. Oh, LA. In my, yeah. Oh, my bad. Yeah, in LA. Yeah. Uh, and I saw Ron Jeremy, he went to my gym. You know what I'm talking about? The little short. Yeah, yeah. Um, pretty like huge piece of shit. I think he's in jail for like sexual assault or something like that. But he was in there and I was like, he's like this 5'5 looking, you know, kind of oddly shaped man, really super balding, but he had like a headband and like a long sleeve on. I was like, oh, that's Ron Jeremy.

SPEAKER_01 1:05:46

This is a guy that's famous for fucking man. You understand what I'm saying? It's odd. It is a very strange and then he doesn't like when you see him like the first time I I had heard Ron Jeremy's name in pop culture references.

SPEAKER_06 1:06:00

Oh, you know, I got you know I'm tapped in, bro.

SPEAKER_01 1:06:02

To this shit. You know what I'm saying? I love this shit. You know what I'm saying? You know what I'm saying?

SPEAKER_00 1:06:08

So specifically, yeah. Yeah, you feel me? Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:06:11

So fuck both of y'all.

SPEAKER_03 1:06:13

Both of all.

SPEAKER_01 1:06:17

But also my type of guys. Yeah. So the thing is, is like in the movie to watch a nigga go from like, because there's this dude in the movie. The climax of the movie is this. One of the producers in the porn is married to a porn star. And every time they go to parties, she's just somewhere fucking another dude. And this is like her whole thing. And it's like, bro, you chose to marry this girl. So while Marky Marcus having his like ascension, this dude is having like a decline in his marriage. Cause like she was fucking like right there on like a lawn. Like it was like she was fucking in the driveway, just some other porn star. And he's just watching her. And it's like, this is his wife, though. He's like, ah, come on. Every time we go out. And so the climax of the movie, not again. It's so hilarious, bruh. But it's like some not again, like, every time I take this bitch to party, she's fucking some random guy. And so, and I guess he just got fed up of it. He never heard of this shit, bro. So the climax of the movie is that Marky Mark comes to terms with that he's not that nigga in porn no more. And he tries to mend some of the relationships that he's broken. Uh-huh. And the this dude is like, I'm finna kill this bitch. So it's New Year's Day. He kills his wife. Damn. At the New Year's party, at the countdown. Because obviously she's fucking a guy while the countdown is happening. Yeah, that movie was crazy as fuck. And it's based off a true story or not? I don't think so. I don't know. Yeah. I think it's just some Hollywood shit. Yeah, yeah. Could be true.

SPEAKER_06 1:07:46

That's wild. That's your favorite. You said that's your favorite movie?

SPEAKER_01 1:07:49

Never said that.

SPEAKER_06 1:07:50

Oh, okay.

SPEAKER_01 1:07:50

Never said that. We were just talking about Marky Mark being a racist. Right, right, right. Yeah. Yeah, I never said that was my favorite. That's crazy.

SPEAKER_06 1:07:57

What kind of you into sci-fi? He's a piece of shit, bro.

SPEAKER_01 1:08:04

He knows I never said that. I'm trying to make you look good, bro. I'm listening. He knows I'm never listening. He knows that. And he was like, sorry, that is your favorite moment.

SPEAKER_07 1:08:16

Yo.

SPEAKER_01 1:08:18

Hey, you hide you high being an asshole behind the smart shit, man. That's how you hide it. What you was saying? Sci-fi? Like Avatar. Yeah, like what's your favorite? The blue ones or the. I fuck with the blue ones. I fuck with the blue ones. I like the fire and ash. I like the I like the play. I like the idea of. You like the new one? The fire and ash. I fuck with it. I like the whole idea of like um them adapting to their regions in different ways and forming whole cultures around regional shit.

SPEAKER_06 1:08:48

Yeah, it's like reminiscent of like early humans, like indigenous. Yeah, I like that idea. Yeah, they're like tapped into the landscape.

SPEAKER_01 1:08:54

They use the animals that's around, they like take care of the and they have a connection and a harmonious relationship with it. Even down to like the niggas who just are buying and who transport supplies, their whole life is like the wing traders. Yeah, that was cool. That shit is cool. That was great.

SPEAKER_00 1:09:09

I fuck with that. Avatar is dope because we talked about this on our show before. Um the James Cameron movies get such a big budget that they pioneer new technologies that can be leveraged for cheaper for future films. So like underwater physics being replicated digitally was really hard.

SPEAKER_06 1:09:27

But the water, yeah, it's like very hard to fake the water.

SPEAKER_00 1:09:29

Until the second avatar, the way of the water came out. That's why it took so long. Yeah. Took like teams or something like that. Yeah. Um, so then now other movies like later iterations of Aquaman and stuff like that, they'll benefit from it because their water physics was kind of like in the beginning.

SPEAKER_01 1:09:48

The one with Jason Momoa. Yeah. I never watched that. It was bad. I'm not watching a movie with him in it. That's just my personal opinion. Oh, why? I just I I I've I can I've seen enough to know he's a shit actor.

SPEAKER_06 1:10:00

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:10:00

Yeah. I don't care.

SPEAKER_06 1:10:02

I I mean, I guess. But he was good in uh Game of Thrones.

SPEAKER_01 1:10:05

Yeah, but he didn't do a lot of talking, did he?

SPEAKER_00 1:10:07

He didn't say a word. Exactly. He was in uh Fast and the Furious, I think. Was he? Yeah, that was that was cold.

SPEAKER_01 1:10:14

Well, I mean, and what are we expecting from that? You know what I'm saying? They put all the worst actors in demo.

SPEAKER_06 1:10:22

People used to tell me I kind of look like Vin Diesel. Vin Diesel.

SPEAKER_01 1:10:25

That's that's just that's his people just being Yeah, bro. I I don't fuck with that. You don't look like Vin Diesel at all, bro. At all, bro. Far too melanated for that. Yeah, way too brown. The only thing is he's just a black, uh, it's just bald, really, more than anything. I think Vin Diesel's kind of black, though.

SPEAKER_00 1:10:42

Nah, bro. He's not not super melanated, but I think he's that voice, man. Dominican or something.

SPEAKER_01 1:10:47

Yeah, I'll give him like maybe he's Cuban. Diesel? Is that a is that a cube? That's probably not his real name. I don't think I don't think that sounds like Diesel.

SPEAKER_00 1:10:54

That sounds like a name where you start lifting and then you switch up your last name.

SPEAKER_01 1:10:58

Yeah, because you remember they tried to make, you know, Chronicles Eritic. They tried to make him larger in life. You know, this is all this is all. I thought that was a cool movie. That was a good idea. It was a pretty good movie.

SPEAKER_00 1:11:05

Yeah, with the planet, there was like turning, and then you had to go on the cool side. But that was the second one, I think.

SPEAKER_01 1:11:10

But yeah speaking of uh Chronicles Chronicles Eritic, this is we're gonna go the opposite direction to a better movie. Chronicles of Narnia? No. Blade. Blade. Blade. They're having the they're finna come out with a blade video game.

SPEAKER_06 1:11:24

Like an open world video. Is it gonna be Wesley Snipes?

SPEAKER_01 1:11:28

I I don't know. Because he did a cameo. I don't think they depicted him the right way. I think it's gonna be Mahershala Ali.

SPEAKER_00 1:11:35

Wesley Snipes was in some shit recently, like some Marvel shit. He did like a cameo as Blade. Really? Yes, he didn't play. Deadpool, yeah. The Deadpool and Wolverine joint.

SPEAKER_01 1:11:45

I got hyped. I saw a Wolverine video game coming out. They're kind of I like this the open world playing a story as a character. That's cool.

SPEAKER_06 1:11:54

That shit just really did you like the um, did you play that Avengers one? No. You ain't played that one? I heard it was good, but I didn't even play it. I saw clips.

SPEAKER_01 1:12:02

The last thing I did was play the last game I played, like open world game, was like Ghost of Tsushima. Oh, like Ghost of Yote, yeah. The new one with the um girl. That shit was fire. You a uh console or PC gamer? Uh console, yeah. Xbox PS5. Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 1:12:19

Gives. Yeah. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:12:21

What is this? What is this? Like I was an Xbox. Yeah, I was an Xbox game. That's the Android thing, right? I'm a PC. No, not at all.

SPEAKER_06 1:12:27

Because I'm a you know, I'm an iPhone. I'm I'm not.

SPEAKER_01 1:12:29

I don't know why why everybody thinks like I don't I never really got the Xbox hype. That's not really my thing.

SPEAKER_06 1:12:34

I just think that's the first one that I got when I admit like my all my friends had it, so that's just what I got the I got the PS1.

SPEAKER_01 1:12:40

I always thought it was PS1 earlier.

SPEAKER_00 1:12:41

I thought it was the most masculine one. Xbox. Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 1:12:44

That makes sense. Yeah, I don't know. But it's like whatever, bro. Like curiosity, we're open, we're accepting the computer. We're accepting everything.

SPEAKER_01 1:12:51

But you build computers and play PC games. Yeah, I'm a PC, PC gamer for sure. Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 1:12:55

I used to play this uh just like an androgynous thing.

SPEAKER_00 1:12:59

I mean big time. No, a little bit of both. We accept everything. It's like a day limb of gaming, right? Oh, for sure. Yeah, bro. What's wrong with that? Nothing.

SPEAKER_01 1:13:07

Yeah. Nah, I'm just clarifying. Yeah, yeah. No, we're the same. I think we were because it was uh I think we were giving spectrums to like content.

SPEAKER_00 1:13:14

You're giving spectrum. Look, I you're you're definitely giving spectrum. You're right, you're right. We celebrate that here, bro. We celebrate that. I do too. You know what I'm saying?

SPEAKER_01 1:13:24

My podcast is like famously a safe space for a nice like painting behind you.

SPEAKER_06 1:13:30

Nah, this is a planetary nebula.

SPEAKER_00 1:13:32

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_06 1:13:32

This is what the this is what our solar system is gonna look like one day in a very, very, very far.

SPEAKER_00 1:13:37

After the star explodes, after the stars, it's not gonna explode.

SPEAKER_06 1:13:39

The star's not gonna explode. You don't think earth is done? Wait, what do you mean? The earth will die when this when the sun dies, but the sun is not gonna explode.

SPEAKER_00 1:13:48

It's like a billion years from now, right?

SPEAKER_06 1:13:51

Uh nah, the sun will die in like several billion years, but I guess it'll start, it'll start expanding, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:13:55

And then earth will be cooked, literally.

SPEAKER_06 1:13:57

Literally, like the the water will be cool.

SPEAKER_00 1:13:59

The expansion of it. The expansion of the sun will cook. Because it'll get hotter, basically.

SPEAKER_01 1:14:03

Hey, what would y'all have gonna transition into another topic? Because I have a like a science y question for you. Go ahead. Hey, bro. So what is the what is your idea? Like, why is everybody conspiracy theories theorists specifically so obsessed with Antarctica?

SPEAKER_06 1:14:18

Antarctica? I think it's mostly flat earthers. There's like a there's a chain of command there. It's mostly flat earthers who want to believe that the world is flat, that there's like a firmament, and that space isn't real, because that's what it says in the Bible. And so the like science is on this satanic mission to undercut the Bible and send everybody to hell.

unknown 1:14:42

Right.

SPEAKER_01 1:14:43

Okay, and that's and that's the big payoff.

SPEAKER_06 1:14:45

Right. And so in Antarctica, they think is they call it an ice wall. So they're saying that if you go in far enough direction anywhere, you run into Antarctica and you like can't get past it. There's an agreement that uh like you just can't go to Antarctica, I think. Or you need to get like some special permit or something.

SPEAKER_01 1:15:04

Yeah, there's some treaty around it. With the the different country. I think the reason behind that is because humans ruin shit everywhere they go. And so if we gotta ruin ruin our ice caps, we're gonna raise our water levels, which is gonna cause problems for the rest of the globe.

SPEAKER_06 1:15:17

There's I mean, there's probably a lot, there's probably a lot of reasons, right? And it's like, yeah, like no one country can just claim that and you know pillage the resources, whatever. Yeah. So, you know, they will combine the fact that there's some sort of treaty around not being able to go there and say, oh, well, you know, this is the ice wall, they don't want you to go there because there's like stuff beyond it, whatever. It's um, but it's all based on it all goes back to the Bible saying that like the earth is flatter, that there's a firmament in this space isn't real. It all leads back there.

SPEAKER_01 1:15:50

Okay. And then so my theory comes from that if you destroy the ice caps, you essentially will destroy the world and or at least accelerate that process because of sea level rise. Yeah, sea level rise.

SPEAKER_06 1:16:04

No, man, there's there's been many periods where there was no ice on Earth at all. Like it was much warmer and the caps were completely melted. Now you go you destroy all the coastal cities when the water rises, but there's a lot, but there's just other areas that now become warmer, and like maybe something that's plains right now and cold, it just become warmer.

SPEAKER_00 1:16:23

The the other challenge with melting the ice caps, though, is that there is this fossilized uh methane and carbon that is preserved underneath the ice caps. So when you melt the ice, the the carbon goes into the atmosphere, and those are greenhouse gases. Yeah, it's called permafrost, yeah.

SPEAKER_06 1:16:38

So it like makes it even hotter. Yeah, so they get like a ray effect.

SPEAKER_00 1:16:42

Right. Yeah, so it's like a it's like a positive feedback loop or negative, depending on how you're looking at it, of like it gets hotter, stuff goes into the air that makes the air hotter, and then that melts the ice caps and then frees more stuff to make it hotter, and then it's a cycle. But that doesn't lead to the end of the world, that just leads to coastal cities being underwater.

SPEAKER_06 1:17:01

Which it would be the end, it would be a complete disruption area. Like the food supply chain, yeah. Like the the area that we use for farming would change. It was like we couldn't use that, we would have to go somewhere else.

SPEAKER_01 1:17:14

Yeah, also most of the progressive places are on coastal cities. A lot of them.

SPEAKER_00 1:17:19

Yeah, yeah. And weather patterns would definitely be disrupted by that as well. Like temperature differentials is what causes tornadoes and hurricanes.

SPEAKER_01 1:17:27

I think that we need a little bit of that.

SPEAKER_00 1:17:28

Shake it up a little bit.

SPEAKER_01 1:17:29

Shake it up a little bit. It's getting a little boring. Let's shake some things up. Probably kill a lot of people. So will the food.

SPEAKER_06 1:17:37

Yeah, that's true. I mean, we're at a we're at a point in time now where for like the first time, probably in the history of humanity, more people um will die from overeating than under-eating. Yes. Which I think is a crazy stat. And if you looked at it in a vacuum, you may say, that's a successful society. Now the problem, but yeah, once you get into the nitty-gritty, it's like Well, because they're not eating, they're not dying from food they're cooking.

SPEAKER_01 1:18:05

What do you mean? A lot of it is processed food. Oh, they're buying. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, then also, you know, the thing is, is that a clear sign of uh fucked up society is when prison food becomes a free world cuisine. What do you mean? There's prison like prison food recipes. They make those like there's people in the toilet? However, they make it. Yeah. But just prison food cuisine has become like popularized on TikTok and Instagram. People are eating this shit. Like ramen? Yes, bro. A couple of restaurants have opened up. It's just it's like a restaurants have opened up. I swear to God, I wouldn't make these things up. I don't come here to lie. I'm here in the name of science. Amen. I appreciate that. I appreciate that. Amen, brother. Oh, but also, you know, um, the reason why I know that we would ruin Antarctica and the ice caps and we would accelerate that is because of the summit of Mount Everest is covered in garbage because of humans. So if like dead bodies? No, jeans. Just garbage. Garbage. Like shit. Snacks. Yeah, poop, whatever. Frozen bodies, too. I mean, frozen bodies, yeah, rightfully. So you ain't had no business up there. Yeah. And also, besides the view, is that the payoff the view? It can't be.

SPEAKER_06 1:19:22

Although I do love a good hike with a nice view.

SPEAKER_00 1:19:25

But I, yeah, it's the idea.

SPEAKER_01 1:19:26

That high up though, what are you looking at? Clouds? Looking at more mountain, you're just looking at more mountains. Yeah, it can be the view. So then what's the motivation here?

SPEAKER_00 1:19:34

I think it's the struggle.

SPEAKER_01 1:19:35

It is, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:19:36

I think when people live a certain life of privilege and class, they seek struggle in other ways.

SPEAKER_06 1:19:41

Mm-hmm.

SPEAKER_00 1:19:42

Mm-hmm.

unknown 1:19:42

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:19:43

I think that's a lot of times what happens.

SPEAKER_06 1:19:44

Yeah, I think there's something deep within us uh that like kind of wants that. To overcome everything.

SPEAKER_01 1:19:52

Climate Everest? Yeah. Yeah, just aesthetics. Like, oh, he died trying to. But it's like he maybe he wanted to die. That's embarrassing, though. That's how you want to be remembered?

SPEAKER_00 1:20:00

I mean, I think that's probably more gangster than you.

SPEAKER_01 1:20:04

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:20:04

That's more gangster than a few other. If you're gonna if you're specifically suicidal, I think that's more gangster than other words.

SPEAKER_01 1:20:09

I think, I think, you know, the struggles of the suicide would be great. If y'all was gonna kill yourself, how would you do it? Let's really get into the nitty-gritty of the science right now.

SPEAKER_06 1:20:19

Man, let's start hypothesizing on some deep shit. We're all killing ourselves a little bit every day.

SPEAKER_01 1:20:25

All right.

SPEAKER_06 1:20:28

Every day, hey, look. Every day that you don't dismantle the patriarchy, capitalism, sexism, classism, colorism, ableism, you're killing us all and yourself. Yeah. No, I mean, you're right.

SPEAKER_00 1:20:47

Yeah. So but one fell swoop, how would you do it? I think I would, I think I would go to go to the moon or something like that. Space. Send me space.

SPEAKER_01 1:20:54

How about, yeah, how about something that's feasible? I think that's a startup. Shoot me in the space. Okay. One way trip.

SPEAKER_00 1:20:59

On a rocket. One way trip.

SPEAKER_06 1:21:01

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:21:01

That's fine.

SPEAKER_06 1:21:02

How about a rocket? How else? Yeah. Slingshot.

SPEAKER_00 1:21:04

So maybe we can go together. Maybe we go, maybe we go together.

SPEAKER_06 1:21:06

Let me stand on your shoulders. How much can you squat, nigga? Shoot me in the space. That'd be a way to go. Turning back and like looking at the earth from that. I feel like that would be You would be happy.

SPEAKER_01 1:21:21

I feel like uh Sandra Bullock in that movie.

SPEAKER_00 1:21:24

Gravity.

SPEAKER_01 1:21:24

Yes.

SPEAKER_00 1:21:25

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:21:26

That's how y'all want to go out.

SPEAKER_00 1:21:27

I think that I mean. That would be crazy. Like this, but the gravity was one where they had a space junk, right? And it was like a yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:21:32

Yeah, where her and George Clooney let go.

SPEAKER_00 1:21:34

Yeah, that'd be crazy if you was like looking and then you just got sliced, like capitated by a space junk, like right in the middle of it. Is that what happened in the movie? I kind of feel like you froze to death. I think so. But it was a lot of things.

SPEAKER_06 1:21:44

Misconception. You want you wouldn't freeze to death quickly in space.

SPEAKER_01 1:21:48

Yeah. Oh, yeah. Okay, let's let's talk more about that before I tell y'all how I would kill myself. Oh yeah, hold up. Hold that thought.

SPEAKER_06 1:21:58

Hold that thought. Uh so if you're talking about science in space, we always see in movies that people like freeze quickly. Immediately. But there's actually like space is basically empty. That's why you call it a vacuum. And what makes you cold is being close to like cold molecules, right? So a good way to think about this is that like out here or in LA, like the Pacific Ocean, it might be like 60, 70 degrees, something like that. Maybe like 60 degrees. And if you're in there for too long, you'll get a hypothermia and you'll die like within a few hours. You could. But if you outside and it's 60 degrees, you'll be fine with a t-shirt on forever, days, weeks. And it's because the 60 degree water, there's more molecules that are touching you. It's like denser.

SPEAKER_01 1:22:45

Yeah, so it's like encapsulate. Yep.

SPEAKER_06 1:22:48

And it's draining your energy. It's draining your energy.

SPEAKER_01 1:22:50

Yeah, and it's also like pulling all the oils out your body and everything all at once.

SPEAKER_06 1:22:54

But in space, there is no, there's basically no particles. So you don't have something cooling you off. You would eventually freeze because your body would slowly radiate heat, but it would take a long time.

SPEAKER_01 1:23:04

I mean, and when you say a long time, what do you mean? Um six months, a year. No, no, no, not like that. I mean, you would die before because of starvation.

SPEAKER_06 1:23:12

It would, I mean, probably like within a couple days, you would start to get significantly, you'll probably freeze to death. But you would die before that. Well, you would die for before the.

SPEAKER_01 1:23:21

Because there's also nothing replenishing the heat. So you're releasing you're only releasing heat. Ah, I see, I see.

SPEAKER_06 1:23:26

So eventually you would freeze to death, but it's not like you stick your hand out and it gets it turns to ice.

SPEAKER_01 1:23:31

Yeah, that's how they make it seem like that. That's how they make it seem in the movies. Yeah, but I guess it's boring.

SPEAKER_00 1:23:36

Yeah, it'd be boring to slowly radiate heat. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:23:38

It's like, God damn it. It'd be like a camera for a few hours.

SPEAKER_00 1:23:42

Just hold it. All right, hold it. Two days later.

SPEAKER_03 1:23:46

Two days later.

SPEAKER_00 1:23:47

Two days later. You still you just just walk in the face.

SPEAKER_03 1:23:52

Fuck. Fuck. This movie sucks.

SPEAKER_01 1:23:56

So uh but but okay, so like you could be in space, no spacesuit.

SPEAKER_06 1:24:02

No, no.

SPEAKER_01 1:24:03

Okay, yeah, that's what I want to know.

SPEAKER_06 1:24:05

You couldn't because the being so like your body right now, we don't think about it this way, but your body is perfectly attuned to the atmospheric pressure. Like, we don't think of the atmosphere as having like a weight, but it does, right? Absolutely. That's why when you go, when you fly in a plane and you come back down, your ears hurt because your body like adjusted to lower atmospheric pressure. Yeah. And so right now, your body is just perfectly evolved for one Earth atmosphere. You go into space, you remove that. Um, when you when you remove that pressure on the outside, things that happen like your blood will start to boil, like the gases will start to boil a little bit, you know, your eyes would expand, um, your lungs, if you had any air in your lungs, that would expand because you remove this like equalizing pressure. So what would you do?

SPEAKER_01 1:24:53

Would you like crunch like a soda can or explode?

SPEAKER_06 1:24:57

You wouldn't really explode, but you would kind of you would like get bigger. I mean, your blood boiling would do you in.

SPEAKER_01 1:25:02

Yeah, for sure. Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 1:25:04

That sounds kind of fire. Like it would. Yeah, I don't know.

SPEAKER_00 1:25:09

Seems painful. Seems immensely painful. Immensely painful.

SPEAKER_01 1:25:12

It seems like literally the worst thing that your blood is boiling, nigga. What?

SPEAKER_00 1:25:17

I mean, that would be a cool thing to catch on camera. No, that's what I'm saying.

SPEAKER_01 1:25:20

Like, you know, for science.

SPEAKER_06 1:25:22

I don't even know if it would. Like, it probably wouldn't look that way. If it's blood, it's boiling inside your body.

SPEAKER_00 1:25:26

Yeah, but you but what you would see is on the face. Right. To see blood, like there's blood vessels everywhere all over your body, to see those boil. I mean, you could exaggerate it. Kind of a marvelous one. You could exaggerate it. Yeah, y'all, y'all are sick. I feel like that would look more fire than just freezing in space. I guess.

SPEAKER_01 1:25:43

I think that would be for film aesthetics. I think it would be way better to see that.

SPEAKER_06 1:25:48

Yeah, I just don't know what it would look like. Like you'd have you get bubble cartoonish in your in your like veins, they would just quickly go to your heart, and then you get a like a heart bubble and you die.

SPEAKER_01 1:26:01

We were talking about films earlier. Yeah. Wasn't you about to say something? About suicide. Oh, yeah. Oh, murder suicide with the police. Yeah, I just take a couple of them with me. A couple of who? The cops.

SPEAKER_00 1:26:14

Oh, I was gonna say, because it's a couple, it's two of us right here. I was like, police. I'm not filming suicidal.

SPEAKER_01 1:26:22

I was gonna have a gun. I've been on an airplane, so you know what I'm saying? It'd be a bad day to choose to do that. You know, rolling light, I got you. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. You know what I'm saying? But if that day comes, you know, if I ever get diagnosed with like terminal cancer or something, we're just gonna go ahead and wrap it up.

SPEAKER_00 1:26:38

Yeah?

SPEAKER_02 1:26:39

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:26:39

What if it was a long con? A long one. Yeah, you can have long terminal cancer. Like you got a minute. Who got time for that? You just gonna end it early. Let's just wrap it up.

SPEAKER_01 1:26:48

All right, but I'll just go ahead and get my wheel together. And figure out what the loophole around like murder suicide is and the insurance wheel. Oh, I think that's covered. What's the loop? What do you mean the loophole? Uh is it covered? No, but it's murder suicide.

SPEAKER_00 1:27:06

Right. You gotta set it. Yeah, I don't think so. I feel like there might be some costs associated with the murder though, that you have to shore up with the families or what if I just lose my mind? Then you plead insanity, but you're not pleading it because you're dead.

SPEAKER_01 1:27:18

I would cle I would do drugs on camera and then do it.

SPEAKER_06 1:27:22

I doubt I I'm almost positive that voids your contract.

SPEAKER_01 1:27:26

Uh man, I gotta I can't leave my kids with nothing. Alright, I have to choose a different method. Yeah. But if I'm not worried about my kids. Drop the money off. Ah, but the money's got numbers on it, man. They're gonna find that. That's true. Also, I'm not raising criminal minded kids. They're gonna start. You don't want to inspire them. They're gonna turn the money in. Oh, okay. And I'd have done it for nothing. I'd believe it's the right thing to do. He raised us to do the right thing, it'd be some bullshit. I'll be mad. That's good. I'd have died for nothing. That's good. Yeah. All right. Well, I guess the murder suicide would just be selfish on my part, and we would have to void the will. Maybe I could just go ahead and do Spends all the money before I do that in a trust for the kids. Oh, okay. And then I don't have to worry about then life insurance. That's going to be a good thing.

SPEAKER_06 1:28:09

What made you ask why would you how would you want to kill yourself?

SPEAKER_00 1:28:12

I don't know. I think I think I it was there's a context to it. I feel like I feel like maybe I hope this isn't happening, but I feel like you might have this association with scientists as like psychopathic mastermind, evil people. That's what that's what they depict us as in movies.

SPEAKER_01 1:28:26

Oh no, I don't have to be. No, I'm not held up by that at all. Something, I'm telling you, uh my brain works in like associations. Something y'all said made me think about that. And then I just probably the Antarctica situation made me think about. Like, fuck. Should kill myself.

SPEAKER_02 1:28:42

No, I'm just thinking. No, I'm just saying, like, it would you say he said it was uh trigger warning, by the way, for the past 12 minutes of this conversation.

SPEAKER_00 1:28:51

We'll we'll cut this in. Yeah, trigger warning for anybody that's gonna be.

SPEAKER_01 1:28:54

No, listen, I'm just saying the association was the sea levels are rise and a lot of people would die, which is like right, right. It's like a mass, it's it's because of it's our own actions that cause it, it's kind of like uh human suicide at scale. Yeah, I get it. And then I thought start thinking about that.

SPEAKER_06 1:29:12

Do you but do you think that we get like get it together as humans and like that there is like I won't say a utopia, but in the future, however far it's like we figure it out if it's good, or do you think that we're different?

SPEAKER_01 1:29:23

If there's no if there's like no interest of supremacy around race, sex, but there was a point in time where that wasn't a the case in the past, right?

SPEAKER_06 1:29:34

Like race becomes a thing at some point. Yeah. But there was a time before that, and it's not like a lot of people.

SPEAKER_01 1:29:40

Yeah, but most people lived in homogeneous societies too. That's true. And but there's also like true, there's examples of like things like Egypt and things like that where people didn't live in homogeneous societies and things thrive. But I think they had a diverse society, a diverse society. But I think we don't also have knowledge of that because they burned the library of Alexandria and Timbuktu and shit like that. They got rid of like a lot of ancient knowledge, or it's underneath the Vatican, one of the two.

SPEAKER_00 1:30:05

Yeah, I think fastest ways to get to expedite the removal of racism, can't ever get rid of it entirely, is to just introduce aliens into the mix so we have something else to other to be more racist, humanity versus or robots, like the AI becomes. That would be an interesting development. The clankers, yeah, you heard that the rocket tourism.

SPEAKER_01 1:30:24

I don't like it. It sounds a little too niggery for me. Yeah, we need a better term.

SPEAKER_06 1:30:28

That that that's that would be interesting if the thing that truly brought us together and caused us to thrive was a collective hate of the robe of robots.

SPEAKER_00 1:30:40

Man, I think that I think that might be coming.

SPEAKER_01 1:30:44

Free the robots, man. You know what I'm saying? Let them do what they gotta do.

SPEAKER_00 1:30:49

So, yeah, you were saying um a collective hatred towards robots. Yeah, or aliens or something like that.

SPEAKER_06 1:30:55

Or AI, like this intelligence.

SPEAKER_01 1:30:57

I would love it to be aliens, though.

SPEAKER_06 1:31:00

I think that's the cooler play. I think that's cooler, and I think that that's far-fetched me on belief. I just made a video about this the other day. I think that that like what I'll call technical, you know, intelligence is a weird thing to define where we define it as us being the intelligent ones. But if we call it the ability to like build a rocket and leave your planet just to standardize it, I think that that is so rare that there may be only like one of those in a galaxy. And so we may be it in our galaxy, and so like for right now, we may be the only ones in our galaxy, and there may be more like us, but in other galaxies so far away that there's no chance of everything.

SPEAKER_01 1:31:40

There's not even any like idea that we exist to them, right?

SPEAKER_06 1:31:44

Yeah, so this is what I, you know, people would disagree. There's a few things that we know for sure about planets, stars, even life on Earth. There's a lot of unknowns. I think that if you really dig into it and take the most critical look, that probably we what we have is closer to a fluke than something that happens often.

SPEAKER_01 1:32:03

Yeah. I think that if if if if an if an intelligent life form is able to leave their planet and make it to ours, we're already so far behind them in forms of intelligence that it doesn't matter how we feel about it.

unknown 1:32:17

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:32:17

That's facts. Let's dive into that in the next episode. We're gonna cut this one. Appreciate y'all for locking in with us. Peace. Peace.

SPEAKER_06 1:32:25

And you uh, like we always say, stay curious, eat grits and eggs. Stay curious and eat your grits and eggs.

SPEAKER_00 1:32:33

And eat your grits and eggs. That is what y'all always say.

SPEAKER_01 1:32:36

It's like one of my favorite things about the show. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:32:39

All right. All right, peace. Peace.