E97: On the Verge of Burnout (Monthly Recap)

Be inspired by many, but influenced by few. August 2026 guests!

The future of work is inner work--Anne 

Why smart leaders fail without emotional intelligence--Cynthia

How to know when it's time to leave--Ben

Why purpose is not a destination, it's a daily practice--Lorea

Why staying in your lane can kill your curiosity--Sheldon

What if you're good at your job but not meant to do it?--John

The hidden part of the mind that drives how you work--David

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August 2026, monthly recap. Be inspired by many, but influenced by few. So I just want to start off that once again, super exciting that you know the podcast has been around for about a year. Thank you, listeners, for your your comments and your feedback. It's been tremendous trying to keep this thing going, this conversation more importantly going, about you know, work sucking, but there's aspects that you like. And talking about sucking, I just want to be transparent here in today's episode that I'm on the verge of burnout. And over the years, I've recognized when I get to these points, and sometimes I miss you know reading the signs and I burn out, right? I'm like a flame on, you know, I'm on fire here, and I just I plummet. And so just to give an example of you know how to recognize burnout for yourself. So as you know, I've got a lot of different things going, just like everybody else, you know, that are listening today. We all have a lot of things that we have to balance in our lifetime. And so, you know, when I'm talking about burnouts a day, again, don't think of it as, oh, Tony's doing more than me. Think of, again, the strategies that I'm sharing and the experiences that I'm sharing so you can implement it in your life. Because it's not about comparing, right? I don't like the word busy. It's not about being busy, it's being engaged with whatever you do. That's what's most important. So, anyway, so I'm on the verge of burnout and you know, sometime probably late August 2026. So I had 20, you know, podcasts scheduled, and they were both guest and host. And I don't remember the numbers. I just wrote, you know, what I'm gonna tell you now, um, breaking that out. But in essence, six of those did not show. Now, I have kind of a thing that's, you know, it's more like in baseball, three strikes, you're out. So the first time I'm like, okay, something happens, right? I kind of fear the worst, you know, they get into an accident or something like that. You know, heaven forbid. And so I say, okay, you know what? Hopefully everything's okay. Let's schedule this another time. Well, apparently, when I did one of these, this was the fourth time that this had happened. Now, the first time, I think I lost power. So that was kind of, you know, something happened. I live in New Hampshire, New England. You know, we have storms, you know, and it was earlier this year. And he had something similar. I believe this person was down in Florida. And, you know, the third time, this or fourth time, rather, total, third time on that end, it just nothing. And I didn't get a message till the next day saying, oh, sorry, you know, I missed this time slot. And so I said, you know what? That's and so six times people have kind of, well, not kind of, but they've haven't even showed up. And I guess like I need to put better boundaries because this is what I'm talking about with burnout, right? We are so focused on, oh, I was so motivated to get to 100 episodes, which I have, and I don't even know which episode this is going to be. But anyways, we're getting close to 100. And I know that was my goal. But now that I'm nearing this goal, I'm starting to realize, okay, how do I steer my energy towards the next goal? Right. It's not about just racking up the episodes, right? I'm not trying to just pump out, you know, a bunch of shows. It was more to build a skill, you know, and also get good at sharing, really asking questions to kind of evoke responses that are interesting to me, right? That I think you guys are going to benefit from in terms of your work, especially you nine to five people and even those for, you know, that are entrepreneurs that don't know how to separate work and life. And so just, you know, as I'm talking about on the verge of burnout, right? I think it's about, you know, analyzing where you are with respect to your goals and how many kind of like prongs, I guess, if that's the saying, that you have in the fire, right? So as you know, I'm working on my dissertation for my PhD. I finished my coursework, and now I'm starting to this is a course, but it's like still my dissertation. It's like, oh, write 10 art or research 10 articles and synthesize them, you know, towards your topic of interest for your dissertation. As you some of you know as well, that I've got my third book coming out in October 2026 and a rush to go nowhere, finding Shivasana. So one of the things that I did on the show was that I'm starting to think about, or not, I haven't shared it, but I'm going to share it with you now, is that I'm distinguishing this idea in my life of external work and internal work. So more on that to come. You can check out my website, worksucksbut Ilike It.com, for kind of a 10,000-foot view. But in essence, you know, work, I mean, external work is really talking about the podcast, right? Working with other people through conversations about their work. And then the internal work is really my perspective and love for yoga. And that's what that third book is about. And so another thing that I just want to quickly highlight, and we'll move on here to Dogg's guests. And I want to just taint this whole thing with me sort of, I feel like I'm complaining sometimes, right? When things don't always go my way. And I think that's one of the things that made me burned out. Like you need to suck it up, you know? And it's like, no, this is a real thing. It's burning through my resources. These six people, you know, not that I'm like totally blaming them, but just as a figure, a statistic for you to think about, it takes me about 20 minutes to an hour to prepare and do the back end stuff, not even editing. That's my girlfriend's doing that now in post. And it takes, you know, if you multiply, you know, 20 minutes by six, that's two hours in August where I was preparing and then sitting in front of this computer to nobody. So it's just like that kind of sucks, right? And the question that, you know, I want to answer, of course, as you know, that I ask on the show to guess, okay, that sucks, but what are you doing to make it not suck, right? How do you avoid burnout? And so what I want to summarize with is that really for moving forward for the next few months, as I mentioned, I've got my dissertation ramping up. I'm doing a lot of work with the marketing side to launch this third book, getting into yoga studios, interviewing on another podcast, yoga is a performance, you know, excuse me, yoga is a practice, not a performance for the internal work there on that piece. And so to make this not suck, because I really do love these interviews, I love talking about the topics that we talk about, especially this month in particular. Not that the other months weren't great either, but I'm gonna tell you why I love these guests um this month. Is that so I'm gonna drop down to once a week. So as you know, the cadence before was Tuesdays with Tony. You know, we're gonna still keep that alive for the next few months in terms of, you know, interviews and topics that should be of relevance to your work and hopefully your life, because as you know, work and life are sort of the same because we're still the same thing, right? Either when we're at work or with family or whatever else. We're just wearing different hats, if you will, right? And, you know, the other thing that I want to look into is that I need to figure out a better system in the back end, right? Because I'm scheduling these things, pod match is fantastic. The only thing is that, you know, when I'm going through platforms like cal.com, it's probably because I have the free trial. It's that they only send an email notification saying that you signed up. And then Google will say, oh, you are 10 minutes before. There's other, you know, podcasts I've been on where they've literally sent me emails the the week before, the day before, a text, the hour before. I got to get on board. I got to get into 2026 here and get those systems implemented. So that's how I'm going to make it not suck. And so now let's roll into our episode for today. So we start off with Ann Carber, episode 90. And I guess what I'm thinking about moving forward in terms of like these reflections is that, you know, some people have commented, like, Tony, we want to hear more of you. Because at first I wanted to get rid of these, you know, monthly reflections and just keep it all for the, the, the guests on the show. But as I've learned, people like hearing what I have to say. Kind of always shocked by that because I just kind of joke to my family that I just feel like I'm saying words, you know, regurgitating, you know, things that I read and whatnot. I mean, I give it thought. I'm not saying I'm just aimlessly doing saying these things. But I'm honored. I'm and I that's a responsibility that I hold near and dear to me. So I want to uphold that. And so, you know, Ann Carber, excuse me, so where I wanted to go with that is that for the topic for each episode that I'm going to discuss with the guests, I'm going to bring up things that kind of like jostled in my mind that I would have liked to have said or my angle on it, in conjunction with their sort of perspectives and the way they sort of define things. So let's start with Ann Carber. So her title of the show was uh the episode was The Future of Work is in our work. And, you know, it's perfect timing because she also has a podcast, Let's Get Naked, and you know, a lot of swearing, a lot of F bombs and manufacturing. That's kind of my life too. We do a lot of swearing. I don't know if that's a good or bad thing, a lot of anger, a lot of energy to release there. Um, but anyways, you know, she also released a book called Life Hack Playbook. And the reason why I kind of resonated with this episode was that, you know, I was finishing my book. And as I mentioned, that is the inner work. And maybe that is, maybe it was a catalyst, you know, right there. I forget when we actually recorded this episode. And that, you know, I started realizing the distinction between external and internal work. And so the future of work is inner work. I really, I really believe in that, this internal work, because, you know, we all can go through the motions, right? I was, you know, interviewing somebody the other day for the team, you know, where I'm a quality manager. Um, and I was saying to this, this particular candidate that, you know, I'm not interested in how you can push buttons, right? I'm not. I'm interested in your potential. I'm interested in the skills you want to develop. And to me, that is the the inner work, the internal work. You have to sit down and start thinking about what I am good at? What do I want to do? How do I see my future? And I really believe that is so important. And I'm going to bias this episode and maybe future reflections here to come. Uh, is that to me, you we learn the skills quite readily in the yoga class. And I just, I know I recommended it on previous episodes. Guests have even said it, right? Go to check out yoga. And I really believe it, you know, and just so you know, folks, yoga is not a religion, it's a philosophy. Um, I can go into whole sorts of details. I've been reading Sham Ranganathan's, you know, book. He's a philosopher and he literally does this for a living. So um he reminds us that yoga is a philosophy, not a religion. And a philosophy means, you know, you you love wisdom and you love and you use that sort of system. I'll put my engineering hat on here. You use that sort of framework for how to see wisdom in how you apply it to your life. And why yoga is so awesome and good for inner work is that you get the results right away. Talk about flow states, right? Immediate feedback when I've got my leg up or I'm doing a I can't do splits, but if I could do a split, right? Immediate feedback on my ability that I can't do it. You know, skill and challenges need to be enhanced there. So future of work is inner work. Then we had Cynthia Morrow. So she was a, or she is, excuse me, um, assistant professor at, you know, Michigan State. And, you know, which so Michigan State or Michigan University, she's gonna kill me here. So I'm sorry, yeah. So we'll have to double check that that fact here. So, but anyway, she wrote, you know, a book that I bought. It's called Administrative Intelligence, the Leader's Strategy for Operational Clarity and Scalable Change. And I am super excited. I know there's a mouthful there, but I really believe that, you know, middle management is so critical today. And I'm looking forward to to seeing her and her colleagues' perspective from the academic side on how to, you know, bring sort of the academic research into my arena and sort of the call, not say the practical side, but you know, outside of academia. And so the other thing that's great about Cynthia Morrow is that we connected so well on just sort of values and, you know, why um, well, like her title said, why smart leaders fail without emotional intelligence. So much that I invited her to be on my first ever, or should I say work sucks but I like it, first ever burnout panel. So burnout panel is going to be September 17th, 7 p.m. So write that down. It's Eastern time. So sorry for folks around the world. I can't translate that all over. But 7 p.m. And it's gonna be on YouTube live. So check out Work Sucks, but I like it on YouTube. I think you can have a notification sent, um, but I have the events ready to go, and I'm super excited. So she's gonna be one of three guests that I've invited. They've all been on my show and I've resonated with them in so many different ways. So Cynthia Morrow from the academic side, and we have Trisha Venateri, episode 51. She's gonna come from, you know, she's actually in the field, but also does her, you know, private practice as well. And then Garrett Wood, who just does his private practice, he was episode 30. So get caught up on those episodes, you know, episode 51, episode 30, of course, episode 91. Listen to Cynthia Morrow. And I guess, you know, to reflect on why smart leaders fail without emotional intelligence, it comes down to, again, we're so fixated on what we'll call the hard skills, right? You probably heard these before, hard skills and the soft skills. And to me, I mean, whatever, hard and soft or sort of irrelevant to me, as you know, from a flow perspective, it's a skill. It doesn't matter if it's hard or soft or whatever it is, it's a skill. So if a leader needs to have this skill, then we need to develop it so we can always be in that optimal state of consciousness, which is that of flow. And so emotional intelligence to me has definitely evolved over the years, right? I have to admit that my yoga practice has certainly helped when regulating my emotions, right? Especially as a guy here, you know, a lot of energy, I guess, if you will, just to describe, I guess, sort of my type A personality. I listened to Rage Against the Machine in middle school. So that could explain a lot of the foundation for my sort of angst, I guess, with everything. Um, and also sort of my motivation, you know, to rage against the machine of how we define work today. But emotional intelligence is super critical. And again, I'm gonna bias it towards, you know, doing that work on the yoga mat because you can see quite readily, okay, I'm getting pissed off when the teacher's telling me to do this. Well, I don't want to do that, I'm gonna do something else. So you start to realize, you know, where you're at, you know, your reactions to things, whether you're how you get happy and sad, you know, depending on how a yoga flask, yoga class to me, flows throughout a particular day. And then we had episode 92, and this was actually really cool. So this was the first time that I ever had a kind of a referral. And you know, it was Jake Kennington. He had, you know, was um, I guess he was part of a cohort with Ben Fox, and he had recommended that he come on my show. And I was like, man, friend of Jake is a friend of mine. So, you know, Ben Fox came on to the show, and his topic was how to know when it's time to leave. I think the the biggest thing before I go into that is that I loved his distinction on networking and building relationships, right? We're so fixated on today, especially the entrepreneurs that are listening. I need to build my network. I need to get these numbers. And it's Ben reminds us that no, no, no, you need to build relationships. Yes, the numbers translate to something else, sure, they mean something else, but it's the relationships that are more important. I mean, think about like when I had that episode with Jake Kennington, how awesome that was, you know, actively human is his kind of mission, his project, right now, and his icky guy, if you will, all these terms to apply, you know, his sort of purpose in life. And that he was like, wow, I had such a great experience on work sucks, but I like it. Let me recommend another cool person that could have a potential great experience as well. And so Ben Fox came on, and I guess, you know, it's so interesting when we talk about how to know when it's time to leave a company, right? I know for most people, or not most, but for a lot of people, sometimes we question, right? Is that the right thing to do? Do we stay with our particular job? Do we, you know, force it through? You know, I I don't know. And I guess I've seen, I've definitely lived both sides of it, right? I've definitely said to myself, okay, you need to suck it up. You're just having a shitty moment. So let's just, you know, pull up our, you know, whatever the saying is, our our pants here, our straps or whatever the hell it is, and just, you know, suck it up and get it done. But there's other times where it's like, okay, because of, you know, the forces at play, sometimes the battle in front of us is not worth battling, right? And I think that's where kind of Ben's work, you know, comes in as he's a coach. He's been doing it for a long time. And I think, you know, the more I talk about, or with coaches rather, on the show, I guess I'm coming more open to the idea that a coach is an okay thing. I guess I'm still just lost in terms of like how we've gone so astray as a culture that we need coaches to remind us how to kind of live and be, right? And I guess that's my kind of bleak answer on that. Whereas, you know, it's not always that kind of like desperate either. You know, it's sometimes just, oh yeah, Tony, what if you looked over there, right? And that's what a good coach does. I remember my coach from from golf years ago. I would get a kind of a tune-up before I competed in a tournament, and he'd be like, Oh, you know, your temple's off or your foot's, you know, in the wrong place with your stance, and just very little things, right? So I do believe, you know, a coach can can sometimes help, right? To especially when you're trying to ask the question, I don't know when it's time to leave. So Ben Fox, episode 92. So then we move on to episode 93. So why purpose is not destination? And immediately I think, you know, I've referenced it before, Simon Sinek's differentiation between finite and infinite games, right? And the problem that we have a lot of times with how we see, you know, our our things of like job and passion and retirement, we label them as like finite. We treat them as, okay, we we did this, we can check it off. And, you know, purpose isn't that, right? Our purpose isn't just to work 40 years and just retire, right? The purpose is, oh, I got to engage for 40 years building this concept or these parts or widgets or helping people, da-da-da. And now I'm transitioning to a different purpose, right? Think of that very distinct difference in how I said that same sort of event or the events, right? For that kind of a timeline and a person's, you know, traditional song and dance there. And I really believe that we need to see beyond kind of like, you know, the structure of something being finite. So I look at it as like, you know, we're not kamikaze pilots, right? You know, the World War II Japanese, you know, uh pilots that literally their mission was to take the plane and fly it into the enemy. Like, you know, that's not, you know, that is, I guess, purpose, right? That has a this, you know, specific destination. But, you know, I guess, you know, when we talk about purpose, of course, purpose can mean a lot of different things. And I guess the way I resonate with Lara is that, you know, we have to keep learning what that means. We have to keep growing in terms of, okay, what is purpose? Because purpose, you know, five years ago for me was a lot different. Like I wasn't in my PhD program, right? I wasn't doing as much yoga as I'm doing now, right? So purpose definitely evolves. And I think that's the beauty of it. And that leads to episode 94, to specifically, you know, Sheldon Greaves reminding us that you can't stay in one lane because it's going to kill your curio curiosity. So the title is Why Staying in Your Lane Can Kill Your Curiosity. And he wore so many different hats. He still does, right? And him and his wife do a lot of different things. And I think that's, you know, it's almost like someone labeled my kind of work as like, oh, you're a modern-day renaissance man. And at first I had to look that up. I think I said that before on a previous episode, but I literally didn't even know what that meant. And I guess like I look at, you know, when Sheldon Greaves was talking about that kind of stuff, and I was very interested, of course, because that's how I see life, is you have to be open to all these different things, right? So for example, I'm working on, you know, my one of these call it course, but it's in line with my dissertation right now. And I was going over a lesson on what a theoretical and conceptual framework was. And, you know, basically it's talking about how researchers try to use or implement these structures to you for a map, you know, kind of a direction to steer their research. And they were saying that you have to think outside kind of the box sometimes, for example, in psychology, and look at other disciplines, right? You may extract a framework from math, maybe from yoga, maybe from running, maybe from whatever it may be, raising kids. It could be anything, right? And I think that's what Sheldon was kind of getting at was that when you stay in one sort of lane, like, oh, I'm only getting paid to do this one thing, this one skill. I mean, you're not, I guess you could still argue that, you know, you could still find a way to increase the challenge. But let's face it, It, right? You're going to exhaust the challenge. You're going to evolve, you know, so you need to adjust the skills as well. And that's going to help you, again, I guess, be in flow states. You know, that's why Stephen Cotler says, you know, you can become addicted to flow. And he calls them, you know, flow junkies because you look at your day and that's all you're trying to do. It doesn't matter what you're doing. You're brushing your teeth, you know, you're, you know, walking, you're eating breakfast, you know, you're going to whatever work, you're doing player, you're going to yoga, you know, and that's, yeah, you could be a flow junkie in that regard. But I really think that we have to keep an open mind. And I guess one thing, one last thing with that is that I think the problem with, you know, people, when we say these things, we know it. Sometimes sort of cliche, right? You know, oh, you got to keep an open mind. And as we get older, myself included, we've I find that it's, you know, hard to accept that, oh, I'm going to suck when I first do something, right? It's like, oh, I pick up this thing and I'm going to be terrible. Right. So for example, I'm playing, you know, so I'm super pumped that Neil Peart, or excuse me, not um from the uh excuse me, Rush is playing right now. They're touring. Unfortunately, Neil Peart, their drummer, passed away years ago. But Annika Niles is their uh stepping drummer, and she's been killing it. Super amazing, so much fun to watch. I'm still trying to convince myself to get tickets, you know, to go see them in Boston. But, you know, anyways, I'm trying to, Neil Pearrett growing up was such a, you know, inspiration to me as a drummer. I just love the way he talked, you know, because he was, they called him the professor. I mean, he the guy was brilliant. You you listened to him talk and you're like, wow, you're rock drummer. Like, usually you'd picture them as like, yeah, man, you know, sex, drugs, rock and roll. And Neil Pearrett was writing books and like he said words when I was younger. I didn't even understand the way he articulated things. And so I wanted to learn and just feel because I saw Rush was my first concert ever, and which was awesome. And they played Tom Sawyer, which is a very, very complicated drum piece, very complicated. Time signature change all over the place, the endurance to to keep up with the 16th notes and the hi-hats and the fills. I mean, it's unbelievable. And let's just say I need to keep my lane open in terms of being curious as to how can I, you know, I'm not trying to master it note for note, but I want to be able to sort of dance with it because it's such an inspirational song. I love it. And it's helping me build a different skill than I never had. So pick something that you're afraid of and just try it. And I'm gonna tell you right now, if I recorded what I played, it sucks. I'm not gonna lie. There's parts where I get it, and there are parts where I just stop, and I'm just like, I can't play that right now. And that's okay, right? That's totally fine. That's that's the whole part of the process, right? And then we had episode 95 with John Salzmodal. And this is, you know, again, I love this whole month. I always say that every month. The guests are so awesome. And so this title was What If You're Good at Your Job but Not Meant to Do It. So that is just, you know, again, it kind of goes back to what's just previously saying about, you know, knowing when to leave with Ben Fox and you know, that you know, John had climbed sort of the ranks, right? I believe he was like an executive vice president or something. And um and you know, he realized that this isn't for me, right? Just because I'm good at it doesn't mean I need to do it. And I guess that's where that's where I love that internal work, right? We have to do that internal work to know what it is we value, right? Go back to the meaning of the word value. Now, unfortunately, as I mentioned, uh that the word value has changed, you know, since I wrote the first book, you know, um back in 2015, where I reference, you know, my perspective, the foundation for why I think value is such an important thing to kind of like understand in your life, is that, you know, when we talk about the meaning of value, not from what something is worth, but the standards for which you're to live your life, that's when you can see that, hey, I was meant to do this. And again, sometimes the job sucks, right? It's not, it doesn't have to be glamorous. I hold the whole, I hate the whole cliche, you never have to, if you love your job, you never have to work another day in your life. And that's what Garrett would, you know, that's why he's on the burnout panel coming up in September, because he was the one that said the problem with that statement is that you're always gonna be working, right? Just because you're good at it, just because you love it, doesn't mean it's a good thing, right? Think of you get a bug bite, you know, and it feels good to scratch it. That's not a good thing, right? You're gonna scratch it and get infected. So you have to know kind of the difference between pleasure and happiness, right? So the example that I always love to use, it was from, oh man, I've drawn a blank now on the philosopher from Connecticut. But, anyways, he basically, you know, described it in his book on happiness. Is that imagine buying, you know, a pair of sneakers and they're fresh out of the box, they feel great to walk on, right? They're not worn out, they got the bounce to them. That's pleasure, right? That's giving you a dopamine hit, it feels good. Happiness is the long term. And let's face it, after a year or two, depending on if you're rotting or however you use your shoes, they're gonna wear out and they're not gonna feel as good, right? So that pleasure goes away. And so that that's how to kind of distinguish between, you know, this idea of pleasure and happiness. And I think that's what John was talking about in this episode, is that yes, because you're good at your job, right? And you're getting the paychecks and you're, you know, getting the things done, is it giving you happiness? Right. And I think that's kind of one of the underlying themes, also as well with the show, is that, yeah, work and suck, but how do we navigate the sucky parts to find the things that we like to do? And this is a great way to segue into episode 96 with David Colby, because he provides very specifically how to do that. But before I go into his method, I just want to say so, of all the 96 episodes that I've done, not all of them were guessing, by the way, um, but all the guests that I've interviewed on the show, David, for the record, is the first one to have indicated that flow, I mean flow, that work is the same definition as I define it. And not to say that he wins a prize or anything, but just that we saw eye to eye so much on that work is from the physics definition a force multiplied by the displacement of an object, right? So if you're moving your hands and feet right now or holding this phone, you're fighting gravity, you're doing work. If you're trying to think about your family and how to navigate your kids going to sleep at night or their cell phone use or your boss yelling at you or whatever, that's a psychological force, right? You're doing work because you're trying to move the thoughts around to steer yourself in the right direction. So David and I, right off the bat, when I define work, I was like, man, this is gonna be a good show. And so I did take his Kobe, you know, score test. And it was an 8634. Now I definitely encourage you go take yours because I love personality tests, because why? They help me understand the skills that I need to use more and maybe potentially develop more. And so basically, you know, before I go into my score, David Colby, I love it. So it's a family business, you know, it's called, you know, the Colby, uh, the Colby business, I guess if you will. And his mom started it, which I love, right? And he took over it. And he actually didn't want to get involved with it, which I found even more interesting and hilarious. But he was so awesome to talk with. So, anyways, we broke down my score. And so the eight represents a fact finder. And so there's a range from, I believe, one to ten for these relative scores. Higher is not better, has nothing to do with it. It's just allowing you to see your strengths and how to apply them. So the eight is fact finder. So to me, I, or for me, that means get as many specifics as possible, right? That totally makes sense as an engineer, as a philosopher, you know, everything else in between, you know, working on my PhD. I want to get the facts. And then a six represents follow-through. And really that score represents I like to develop shortcuts and I multitask. And just for the record, I don't believe in multitasking. I believe that, you know, you can do multiple things to help maintain sort of a flow state, like listen to music while working on my homework before I did this, things like that, you know, or listen to these podcasts while you're driving. But, you know, that's I guess that's multitasking. But to me, you're still that's kind of background noise, if you will. So the follow-through is developing shortcuts, and I love that, right? Because as an engineer, I like to optimize the process and just get things done quicker, right? And efficiently. And then the three represents quick start, so which is interesting. And my score being relatively low, whatever this means on the scale, is that I like to stick with what already works. And I really, you know, as I was thinking about that, I was like, oh no, I experiment with things and blah, blah, blah. I was like, actually, no, I really don't. I have my calendar that really guides my day, you know. But going back to my favorite drummer, Neil Peart, don't leave spontaneity to chance. Well, I schedule in times for active recovery. I know that I'm going to take a break, you know, at at lunch when I'm at, you know, my quality manager position. I know too when I'm getting burned out, like I mentioned before, change course, right? Yes, it's been working. You know, the downloads and the interactions and the comments have all been amazing, but you know, it's it's not sustainable, right? So I have to step outside of that. So the last one is for implementer and keep things working the way they should, right? So that goes back to my whole saying of say what you do and do what you say. So I say what I do, you know, with the books that I've written, am writing, continue to write, and I try to live by those standards. And so just taking a step back on what this score really kind of is doing. So David kind of breaks down the mind as having three different things. There's the cognitive aspect, where it's the thinking side, the effective, you know, aspect of the mind, which is the feeling. And I actually never heard of this term before. It's the cognitive, which is the doing. Now, I have to give it a little more thought on that because I've read a lot of philosophy mind books. I resonate with Chalmers, you know, presenting his, you know, sort of question of you can't, you know, solve the hard problem of consciousness. So the doing aspect was new to me. And I still, I again, I still love the personality test. So go ahead and take it. So that is it for August 2026. Stay tuned. Like I mentioned, we're going to be doing just once a week Tuesdays with Tony, if you will, moving forward for the next few months as I navigate my dissertation and figure out systems to make it not suck when you know guests have things come up in their lives. And with that, as always, thank you so much, and we'll see you next time.