Rise of the Flag Football Phenomenon with Neo Ramos

A veteran flag football player pulls back the curtain on a sport that's rapidly gaining global recognition. Neo takes us through his journey from high school fields to college sidelines, then his renaissance in Tampa's vibrant flag football community, revealing surprising truths about this increasingly popular variation of America's game.

The conversation challenges conventional wisdom about football skills, as Neo explains why flag football mechanics can actually be more difficult to master than tackle football – even for elite NFL players. "Flag is a different beast in its own right," he explains, detailing how removing pads forces players to develop finesse, precision, and tactical awareness rather than relying on physical dominance.

With flag football headed to the 2028 Olympics, the discussion explores how this could revolutionize youth development in the sport. Neo offers compelling arguments for teaching kids flag fundamentals before introducing tackle equipment, potentially creating more technically sound players while reducing injury risks. This approach could reshape how we develop football talent across America.

The episode also dives into quarterback evolution, from the traditional pocket passers of yesteryear to today's mobile playmakers like Patrick Mahomes and Lamar Jackson. Neo breaks down regional differences in player development, arguing that "Florida has the most athletic players in the country" while "Texas has the most pro-ready players" in terms of football IQ and mental preparation.

Whether you're a dedicated football fan or simply curious about emerging sports trends, this conversation offers fresh perspectives on how flag football might be changing the future of the game. Listen in as Neo shares insights from the trenches of competitive flag leagues and why his team has championship aspirations for the upcoming season.

Transcript

Neal's Football Journey

Speaker 1 0:00

Welcome to another time up in Max . We Trust I've got my man , neal , in the building . Neal , tell people hello , that's all people . Now me and Neal have been playing football together in Flag World for God , 15 years 15 .

Speaker 2 0:12

Like Tristan was under 18 .

Speaker 1 0:14

Yeah , Tristan was a kid when we started , but tell us about your football journey from the beginning . Oh my God , dude , can we start with ? Why is your voice so rough ? First off , I didn't have enough libations . Secondly , speaking of flag football , I ref flag football and I had to ref the little kids , so yelling at parents , coaches .

Speaker 3 0:38

It kind of sounds like he was yelling in the club last night .

Speaker 1 0:40

First off , I don't have to yell at them , I can just look and go . Hey , he said them , go , hey , he said them . Yeah , he said you know who they are . Anyway , let's get back to your football story .

Speaker 2 0:52

Thanks , man , go ahead first of all , so happy to be here . Thank you , my man . Long time coming , hopefully . Uh , you know what , sky's the limit yes sir , yes , sir , um . So my story started , I guess , back in high school , like everybody else . Um , I went to miami not miami high , but braddock oh , okay , okay yeah , um , I started there . I got an invitation in the mail , like everybody else . Hey , summer's coming around training camp you can get some .

Speaker 2 1:20

I'm like all right , you know what ? Why not ? Let's give it a shot ? Yeah , made the Well , everybody makes it , because you don't get cut unless you quit . Oh must be nice . There was a lot of people who washed out , but it is what it is . So with us it was a baseball school .

Speaker 1 1:39

Okay , just happened to have football .

Speaker 2 1:41

Just happened to have football .

Speaker 1 1:42

Okay .

Speaker 2 1:42

We didn't win a lot of games , but it was fun . Okay , pep rallies everybody going . It's a good community . Yeah , but there was no actual like future yeah .

Speaker 1 1:54

To get like hey , they're going to come , scout you , they're not going to come scout you none of that If you play soccer baseball track like shoot track , you're , you're gone .

Speaker 2 2:01

Scholarships everywhere Stanford , come on , we want you .

Speaker 1 2:03

Track anywhere South Florida , you're getting a look .

Speaker 2 2:07

Florida has a lot of talent .

Speaker 1 2:10

Florida has the best talent in the country . Every sport , I don't care .

Speaker 2 2:14

So after high school , I took a year off trying to figure out what was best , and then , somehow , chico's Day came calling . Okay , I took the job . Not the job , but took the offer for the ride . However , I was holding the clipboard for three years solid . It was a free education , can't complain .

Speaker 1 2:34

Yeah , but it was rough .

Speaker 2 2:36

It was rough At that point maybe it was one of those , like I think of Dan Orlowski .

Speaker 1 2:42

Yeah , yeah , yeah .

Speaker 2 2:44

Am I him now ? Just holding a clipboard but I had a bunch of good teams , um , good teammates , um , you know it was , it was a good trip , and then years later moved to florida and then , flag .

Speaker 1 2:56

It was like maybe I can play again yeah yeah , let's get back into it and I mean even in flag , like how do you feel you made the transition from playing 11-11 to now flag ?

Speaker 2 3:09

So I will say this , though and this is something that I've talked to a lot of people , and it comes back to the same thing the mechanics of the game are harder for flag In tackle . You just hit a guy , run him out of bounds , you catch him , you bring him down , that's it . If you miss , that's your buddy trying to tackle him too . Not saying that they're both equally the same . They're different levels , yeah , but the game is not an easy adjustment I tell guys all the time speed is so much different .

Speaker 1 3:37

I tell the guys all the time flag is a different beast in its own right it is like don't get me wrong , playing in pads is something very few can do at an elite level , correct , but even those elites still come to flag and struggle Because , remember , they had that .

Speaker 2 3:53

It's not the same .

Speaker 1 3:53

Well , they had that million-dollar tournament a few years ago .

Speaker 4 3:56

Jason Avant . Yeah , all these NFL guys Dick .

Speaker 1 4:00

Yeah , all these guys in the tournament . They got beat by fighting cancer . The Kings of Florida , however you want to slice it . Speaking of athletes , that team by themselves should be the Olympic team . They could probably Run the table . I mean they could go to the Olympics and alive .

Speaker 2 4:17

Yeah , If you put that team together , do you know for that roster ?

Speaker 1 4:23

They're winning the Olympics and it's the Olympics , and it's not close , and it's not close .

Speaker 2 4:27

And that's another thing . The same thing for the NFL Elite players can play , yeah , and there's only so many opportunities for flaggers If you make it to the Olympics as a US national team member .

Speaker 1 4:37

I'm telling you You're going against the world .

Speaker 2 4:39

Like . It's no longer the like you win the Super Bowl . You're the like you win the Super Bowl World Championship .

Speaker 1 4:44

You didn't play in the World . You're the best in the country , in the country , because other countries aren't playing us .

Speaker 2 4:49

Which I wish . Maybe the league is working on getting teams . You know , maybe Mexico City , that wouldn't be entertaining Europe ?

Speaker 1 4:55

That wouldn't be entertaining , no , no , you still get the talent from you , mexico . Name 10 athletic Mexicans , you know .

Speaker 2 5:01

This thing has to be from Mexico .

Speaker 1 5:03

Okay , name 20 Europeans that you think could actually beat an NFL team .

Speaker 2 5:08

I could name basketball players but not football players , but you're not .

Speaker 1 5:11

Exactly , those are sports that are not prominent over there . Don't get me wrong . I know guys who play overseas . They import a few US guys and they play over there Right , but I don't care what you tell me , you're not going to take a team out of Germany . This ain't cool runnings , this ain't going to be . No , we're not doing that .

Speaker 3 5:32

Yeah , but you're also forgetting . A lot of those countries also play rugby , that's true , but yeah , but I still don't think they're beating us .

Speaker 2 5:40

I think rugby players are monsters in their own right , because these guys what ?

Speaker 1 5:46

The only team that might have a chance is like the Polynesians , like the Samoans , yeah those guys are , and the Australians ? Oh yeah , them too , them too they're fearless .

Speaker 2 5:54

But the rugby thing . I think you can make an easier transition from rugby to football than from football to rugby . Yeah , okay me yeah , okay , okay , I can see that .

Speaker 3 6:08

Well , these guys have perfect tackle form how they run , how they communicate like the pitch , the scrums , all of that , and they play with a similar shaped ball and they don't have any protection like none , none , none .

Speaker 2 6:17

No regard for your own body dudes come full speed and then just bang for those audience members that don't know it .

Speaker 3 6:24

Can you like truck somebody in a flag football like can you run ?

Speaker 2 6:28

through them . No , you're not supposed to , but can you ? Can you ? Yeah , of course you can should you know I've done it .

Speaker 3 6:35

You get a yellow flag for doing that no , you're getting a flag oh , you're gonna walk it back .

Speaker 1 6:39

They're gonna walk it back , but I'll eat the flag . As long as you know , as long as now you know not to get in my way , I'll take the flag . I'll take 15 it's hard though it well , the flag guard , it says that's a that's that's a tough thing in and of itself because there's so many movements like your natural running motion . Yeah , if your hand gets down by your flag , they're gonna throw a flag on you . For what ? Yeah , flag guarding saying that you , that you're .

Speaker 2 7:04

You're running style Like if you swing your arms you get more speed . So what are you ?

Speaker 3 7:07

supposed to do run like this .

Speaker 1 7:08

You got to get your hands when someone gets close , you got to get your hands up , get out of the way , make a move , do something . Damn that sucks .

Speaker 2 7:14

It's not easy . Like I said , it's not easy .

Flag vs Tackle Football Dynamics

Speaker 2 7:29

It's a different transition , because now you have to be more finessed . I can't just truck somebody and get the first time . It's like I have to make a miss and hope to gather the other buddy . Yeah , doesn't you know ? I mean because it's three flags just flopping in the air like someone's gonna reach for it , and the same token you miss a flag and then the other guy just gone you're're talking about a guy running at full speed .

Speaker 1 7:45

If you miss him , it's a house call .

Speaker 3 7:48

I mean , what's the typical scoring average on those games per team ? Depends .

Speaker 1 7:52

Depends on who you're playing . Who you're playing and what level you're at ?

Speaker 3 7:54

Are you talking about over 100 points a game ?

Speaker 1 7:56

I mean Total points .

Speaker 3 7:59

No , no , Just one side . Oh no , You're talking no no , you're averaging .

Speaker 1 8:03

You're averaging If there's no mercy rule . You're averaging in the 50s or 60s .

Speaker 2 8:06

Yeah , okay , you know what I mean it can get crazy , but in the leagues the one that I play on right now there is a mercy rule . They won't let you get to that level because imagine just beating somebody 6 or nothing . They're going to be a little , they're going to feel some type of way .

Speaker 1 8:21

I've been on . I mean , these are grown-ass men , bro , you say that it's time to suck it up .

Speaker 3 8:25

Yeah , suck it up , I mean play better .

Speaker 1 8:27

Hey , that part . I've been on teams where they didn't even have no mercy rule .

Speaker 2 8:31

Listen sorry , last week , the last game that we had in the season to win 7-0 , by the way , hey , aces , good job . A kid like we were running the ball because we didn't , we didn't want to take advantage from , we didn't want to just run up the score and I'm just handing the ball over . I'm like hey , just run it , run it . One of the other guys was like , hey , man , that's cringe . I'm like what do you mean ? You're running the ball . I'm like air , start throwing teddies all over the field , see .

Speaker 2 9:01

That's why I don't feel that what is the need to do ? That ? Just take the L . We weren't even bragging .

Speaker 1 9:08

See , this is why I don't take foot off the gas . I don't care . Fourth quarter Two minutes left . I'm up 50 .

Speaker 2 9:20

I'm sending it .

Speaker 1 9:23

Everybody run all across you on the outside . Stop and go . Max special , the max special . It'll work every fucking time , man . So for those who don't know , we have our own route that I'll write . It's like a mini little post , corner post , and he'll throw it every time and it's open every time . Don't ask why it just always works . Are you guys on the same team ? We ?

Speaker 2 9:44

have played on the same team . We have played on the same team .

Speaker 1 9:46

I have more fun when I play against him , though .

Speaker 2 9:48

A lot of people say that , and that's not fair , because they all know how I play , so they know what I'm going to do , or more or less anticipate .

Speaker 1 10:02

Him , tony Tristan Marcus . Like when he gets pissed off and he's on your team he goes nuclear . But when you're the one causing him to go nuclear , it's a little bit more fun Not going to lie . Just kind of poke at him the whole time .

Speaker 2 10:17

That's a trait or a skill that I have not yet mastered . The trash talk it does get to me , not as often or as much as it used to . Now I'm just like it is what it is , but man every time I throw a pick inside , I'm dying .

Speaker 1 10:29

Oh , oh , don't let us get a pick Every time . I pick him off first off . I'm on Dion time . I'm showboating the minute I get it , the minute . I don't care about the flag , no more , just trying to showboat . Ah , I mean , are you guys going to take the Aces to tournaments ?

Speaker 2 10:45

That is the game plan , so listen this past two and a half years Real quick .

Speaker 3 10:49

can you pull it closer to you ? Yeah .

Speaker 2 10:51

Awesome there , perfect , yeah . So in the past couple of seasons that was the intended purpose To get the right team chemistry and then go from there . Right now we have a playbook . Trey put out a playbook . Everybody's got wristbands . They know the call , they know the adjustments .

Speaker 1 11:06

Oh , y'all have playbooks we do . That's wild . I just go do it .

Speaker 2 11:11

It doesn't work like that for us , man . Oh , okay , we try the whole like we don't practice , but you know what to do more or less . So Last couple of seasons was just heartbreakers man .

Speaker 1 11:22

Oh , y'all lost in the chip , ain't it ?

Speaker 2 11:25

So the game that we lost to your team last season , oh yeah .

Speaker 4 11:29

It was I forgot about that .

Speaker 2 11:31

I showed up and everybody was like I was at a funeral home .

Speaker 1 11:34

Oh yeah .

Speaker 2 11:35

Like they were . Like usually they're pretty hype . Nah man , it's like everybody was either hungover .

Speaker 1 11:49

Like it's just the lowest energy possible . It's great . And then I look to the side . I say this dude walking in a big ass smile . I'm like , oh no , we're playing him . I can picture that as soon as I walk out of here suckers , bro , someone's gotta come deal with me .

Speaker 2 11:55

It was one of the worst games I ever had in my life as a , as a , as a quarterback , and it was one of those like I'm not . This is never happening again , oh you threw one .

Speaker 1 12:02

You threw one post over the middle . I was like really , no , I , it was one of those like I'm not , this is never happening again . Oh , you threw one post over the middle . I was like really .

Speaker 2 12:06

No , it was just frustration and I should have taken myself off the game I was going to . But then there was like game and I'm like thank God because it was not pretty it got ugly quick .

Speaker 1 12:17

Yeah , I mean , it's okay You're playing me .

Speaker 2 12:19

Come on and and the thing is he makes his people , his teammates , feed into his energy and then whatever he's selling , they're buying . And the thing is they're listening . So I can tell my guys , hey , do this , do that .

Speaker 1 12:33

But they're like I don't know , quicksand you try as you might , it's not going to work . It's not going to work . My teammate and Max we trust . See what I did there . No matter what I tell them , they're going to go . Okay , this will work Somehow , someway it'll work , but he's 7-0 this season .

Speaker 3 12:50

So what does that mean ?

Speaker 2 12:51

You're what I don't think his team played . We didn't play them . But , dude , they're getting a lot of people , a lot of teams in this league .

Speaker 3 12:58

How many teams ?

Speaker 2 12:59

are there Right now just four divisions in like per 10 per . Yeah , it's almost like 40 teams , 40 plus .

Speaker 1 13:05

Yeah , and that's just like that's . They're broken down into tiers , so , like he's in one of my teams in the same division as him , my other team is , I think , in the comp division . Yeah , yeah , but it's no matter what they're all . There's not much separating the tiers .

Speaker 2 13:24

Not to mention they all intermingle with each other . So you play the Daisy Dukes and then Max is on that team and then you go to the Blue Angels and half of the Daisy Dukes are on the Blue Angels . They're all switch teams and rosters .

Speaker 1 13:37

I want to play more than one game every Sunday , which is fine .

Speaker 2 13:40

My problem is when it comes to the playoffs . They should definitely . If you didn't play one single game on the team , you should not be on the playoff roster .

Speaker 1 13:48

They shouldn't have let me play in that game last season in the playoffs .

Speaker 2 13:50

They should not have let me play A lot of people do that Once the season is over , and then the playoffs come , and then they show up .

Speaker 3 13:57

So wait , there's 10 teams per division . You only play seven weeks Correct .

Speaker 1 14:01

Yeah , plus Seven weeks . Correct , yeah , plus playoffs , plus playoffs , you're probably looking at maybe 10 , maybe 11 games , depending on .

Speaker 3 14:08

So then , how many teams make it to the playoffs ? I ?

Speaker 1 14:10

think all of them , I think everybody makes playoffs .

Speaker 3 14:13

What the fuck is the point of playoffs , then , or the regular season ?

Speaker 2 14:16

So because you're paying for this , to want to make sure you get your money's worth , in the sense of like you're playing your seven games and you get a guarantee one sense of like you're playing your seven games and you get a guarantee one .

Speaker 1 14:27

You get one guarantee kind of seems like a participation trophy type deal . It is , that's , it is . It is temple big club sports .

Speaker 2 14:31

Maybe , maybe do I have .

Speaker 1 14:33

I thought I had their shirt on in any other way , I plugged it plugged it yeah but I mean , I think for them , I think that's what it is you want , like the guys who don't play as often to come back . So I think they're like oh yeah , you made playoffs here , dangle the carrot .

Speaker 2 14:49

Here you go , and then also that gets more casual players to come and start building . There's a lot of free agent teams , oh yeah . And then from there they start building their own cliques , and then they form their own team , and then we have one more for the next season . How ?

Speaker 4 15:03

much is it to play ? Too much it's a bucket .

Speaker 1 15:05

Tampa Bay Coast Sports .

Speaker 3 15:06

we need to talk about this $950 per team , are you okay , but how many players on the team ?

Speaker 2 15:12

Max 12 before you can charge $20 per player . Yeah , yeah .

Speaker 3 15:16

I mean you're talking about each player pays like $75 ?

Speaker 1 15:20

It's not terrible . It's not terrible .

Speaker 3 15:21

It's not horrible .

Speaker 2 15:22

Ten bucks a week type shit , yeah , I mean but okay , what do you get , if you win the ?

Speaker 1 15:28

win Coke and a smile . I mean I got two of the winnings in the car .

Speaker 2 15:34

Is it a towel ? They give you a towel or something .

Speaker 1 15:35

No , I got a mean bag . Last time Got a koozie , I got a big old thermos cup . You know what I mean .

Speaker 2 15:43

But I'm like 950 per team . I want a ring Times 40 .

Speaker 1 15:47

Give me a ring .

Speaker 3 15:48

We deserve a ring that's 40 .

Speaker 2 15:50

Gs .

Speaker 3 15:50

After you pay for the rental of the field and all they give you is a fucking towel .

Speaker 1 15:54

You pay for the rental of fields you pay for the refs , and then , which isn't much ? It's not just football , they do baseball or softball kickball volleyball yeah , volleyball out there , they do have soccer they have a monopoly on the sports market .

Speaker 1 16:21

I was about to say it sounds like great business it is a great business they need to come up charge high sports market here I was about to say it sounds like great business , it is a great business and they , you know , charge high hand out , just enough to keep you happy and I'm assuming they have different age brackets too , right ? Oh yeah , so that means they're yeah , they got a youth Really . They got kids too , I guess .

Speaker 3 16:38

I so now you're talking about like half a mil a year .

Speaker 1 16:44

And I can't get a fucking ring . Easy , I should be able to get a ring . What are you talking about ? And they owe me .

Speaker 2 16:50

I mean , you can mass produce a bunch of rings .

Speaker 1 16:54

You can get a little cheaper ones than you do at the little kids tournament and shit .

Speaker 2 16:57

Amazon can get you 12 of them for $150 .

Speaker 3 17:01

Look at that I can get a duplicate Super Bowl ring for the bucks . That's like $100 .

Speaker 2 17:06

By the way , damn dude . I was so happy when they won that Super Bowl Oof and the man himself was here . I did not believe that .

Speaker 3 17:13

Yeah , I mean the Ravens are garbage dude . So let's start with that .

Speaker 1 17:16

Whoa You're wild for that . I am not a Ravens fan , but you , you're wild to say that .

Speaker 3 17:21

When was the last time the Ravens even won a Super Bowl ? Was it like 2002 ?

Speaker 4 17:25

No 2012 . What was the quarterback ?

Speaker 3 17:28

Joe Flacco , joe Flacco .

Speaker 2 17:29

Oh wait , no , before that was Trent Dilfer . Trent Dilfer , yeah , that's right . Y'all couldn't do nothing with him , so we did Funny how that is Steve Young , brett Favre .

Speaker 1 17:39

These Seems like y'all can't keep good talent Not anymore .

Speaker 3 17:42

If you think Trent Dilfer's a good quarterback , you're out of your fucking mind , bro . I'm talking about the other two . He just said I'm talking about these other two and . Trent Dilfer didn't win that Super Bowl bro .

Speaker 1 17:51

The defense did First off . You got Ray Lewis Terrell .

Speaker 3 17:54

Suggs Ed Reed .

Speaker 1 17:55

Ed Reed wasn't there yet .

Speaker 3 17:56

Oh , he wasn't Not for the first , then no , no , mcallister .

Speaker 2 18:06

Chris McAllister Also a good quarterback . They've been talented . They've been gifted with a lot of good , true cornerbacks .

Speaker 3 18:10

Now would you say gifted , or that's just the GM doing a good job .

Speaker 1 18:14

They've changed .

Speaker 2 18:14

GM , since it's not the same guy they had .

Speaker 1 18:17

Ozzie Newsome and now it's Eric DaCosta . That's the only two .

Speaker 2 18:20

It's the same thing with Denver . Those guys are just like a running back , like factory .

Speaker 1 18:25

Unreal

Olympics and Youth Development in Flag Football

Speaker 1 18:26

.

Speaker 2 18:26

Yeah , denver , they were all known for having a lot of good running backs .

Speaker 3 18:29

Terrell Davis is probably the last one I can think of they got from the from Miami .

Speaker 2 18:34

Who went up there ? Who was McGahee ?

Speaker 3 18:36

Yeah , mcgahee , and then he went and then I feel as ill as the Saints .

Speaker 2 18:40

now that we're talking with the Saints , yeah , fuck the Saints .

Speaker 3 18:43

Wow who that I am a Bucs fan ? I'm a Bucs fan .

Speaker 2 18:46

I will never cheer for the Falcons , saints or Panthers .

Speaker 1 18:49

Ever . So wait a minute , wait , wait , wait . You got a Tampa boy with the Falcons right now . Was it Michael Penix ? Yeah , from Tampa .

Speaker 3 19:01

I cheer for him either , wow .

Speaker 2 19:02

When he's playing somebody else , I don't give a fuck bro .

Speaker 3 19:04

He's on a different team , true , true , he ain't no buccaneer . I don't give a fuck . If you were born and raised in Tampa , I ain't cheering for you , by the way .

Speaker 2 19:13

Another lefty quarterback , another mobile lefty quarterback in Atlanta . What are the odds ? And they let .

Speaker 3 19:26

Kirk Cousins is a good quarterback , though .

Speaker 1 19:27

He's a solid quarterback . He's not worth that much no , not as much as they get .

Speaker 2 19:31

The thing is , he negotiates his own deals , did you see ?

Speaker 3 19:33

Aaron Rodgers sign with Stop .

Speaker 2 19:35

He didn't sign with anybody . Oh , he did sign with the Saints .

Speaker 3 19:38

Signed with the Saints Two-year $95 million . That just happened today , Well the Steelers are now fucked .

Speaker 1 19:49

No stop With the . Saints . That's a real thing . Yeah , that's a real thing , yeah .

Speaker 3 19:54

Are you fucking with me ? Yeah , because Derek Carr retired .

Speaker 1 19:56

That's right that was super sus . Why what ?

Speaker 2 19:59

do you mean out of nowhere ?

Speaker 3 20:01

He got paid and he decided to leave .

Speaker 1 20:03

Yeah , how's that sus ? Because if he retires he's guaranteed his money . Yeah , yeah , was he ? Yeah , that's just how it works If you retire they start to pay you . You know what he made like 235 mil right , yeah , yeah , that and the money that he made with the Raiders Be , and it's not going to get much better for you , kid .

Speaker 3 20:21

Yeah , no , no , no , I'm sorry , it's going to get shittier and he's like what ?

Speaker 1 20:25

33 ? Something like that 33 , 34 .

Speaker 2 20:28

And he's had a good career . I'm not mad at David Clark , no no , he's had a good career . You know what I mean .

Speaker 1 20:37

Better than his brother , that's for sure . Wow , no , that's 100% .

Speaker 2 20:40

Hey , first overall to the Texans . Yeah , man , they did not . That poor kid , he did not have a line . That man was shell-shocked who ?

Speaker 1 20:45

Cedric Shaw .

Speaker 2 20:46

No , not Cedric Shaw , carr's brother , david .

Speaker 3 20:49

Carr , david Carr , oh yeah .

Speaker 2 20:50

The dude was an actual . He was a dude in college . He was a really good player .

Speaker 3 20:58

So was Johnny .

Speaker 2 20:59

Manzo . Well , listen , that's shit bro . It doesn't , but it does .

Speaker 1 21:02

Crazy . You mentioned Johnny Manziel , johnny Manziel .

Speaker 2 21:05

I've seen all his 24s and all that behind the scenes .

Speaker 1 21:09

But he still went first . Was it first overall ? Yeah ?

Speaker 3 21:11

it did . It's crazy . No , no , no , he went second Johnny .

Speaker 1 21:14

Johnny was number two .

Speaker 3 21:15

I think so , something like that Number two or three , Two or three it was .

Speaker 1 21:20

You know that's how they get it . But you're saying that Johnny Manziel did all that wild stuff in college and still went number three . Of course Crazy Shadur went fifth round .

Speaker 2 21:29

Hey , so Wild , I think . I think , I think he has a really good chance of starting .

Speaker 1 21:36

I think he has a chance of starting . I think he does . I think .

Speaker 2 21:39

I've seen what they have over there .

Speaker 1 21:40

I'm like the only person who has a shot outside him would be , maybe , joe Flacco .

Speaker 3 21:44

Because he knows Johnny Manziel went 22nd 22nd , 22nd , yeah , yeah , yeah , 22nd . First round , first round , yeah , yeah , yeah First round .

Speaker 1 21:51

It's cool , really it's cool . He went 22nd .

Speaker 3 21:53

So the Browns picked twice 2014 .

Speaker 1 21:55

That's cool , but 20 plus other people got a bunch of people before Shador Sanders got picked up .

Speaker 3 22:02

Fifth , round Jackson Dart got picked up .

Speaker 2 22:04

Jackson Dart got picked up before Shador Sanders . Was that him , the kid that just did the weird throw in motion and just messed the receiver .

Speaker 4 22:12

Oh yeah , jackson Dart yeah .

Speaker 3 22:13

And then also what's his name Dylan Gabriel got picked up before .

Speaker 4 22:18

Shador .

Speaker 3 22:18

Where did he go ?

Speaker 1 22:19

By the .

Speaker 3 22:19

Browns , by the Browns , he went to the Browns .

Speaker 1 22:25

The , the Browns . He went to the Browns , the Browns drafted two quarterbacks bro In the same class In the same fucking class .

Speaker 4 22:27

How's their receiver ?

Speaker 3 22:27

While they have Kenny Pickett and also Joe Flacco and Deshaun Watson . Well , Deshaun Watson's not playing . I know he's going to be on IR . That's five quarterbacks . That's the GM of the Browns for you . That's why that organization .

Speaker 2 22:40

Hey listen , I'm not saying fire somebody , but what the ? You're just throwing money at me .

Speaker 3 22:43

I'm saying fire someone because you've been making mistakes for how long I mean ?

Speaker 1 22:47

fuck . You were debating on if you were going to re-sign Myles Garrett .

Speaker 3 22:54

And Myles Garrett is an awesome fucking defense .

Speaker 2 22:55

I wish we would have made a move on that guy .

Speaker 1 22:56

That is a generational talent and you were considering letting that walk .

Speaker 3 22:59

Yeah Well , who'd they let walk Baker Mayfield ?

Speaker 2 23:04

That was yeah . But to be , fair , but at the time that made sense Baker .

Speaker 3 23:07

Mayfield has won more playoff games than the Browns have in how long In like 10 years or ?

Speaker 2 23:15

something I don't know . They've been in the league for a long time .

Speaker 1 23:18

Well , you know , but I get it . Who else they had Baker and was he hurt at the time ? I ?

Speaker 2 23:23

think , get it who else ? They had Baker , and was he hurt at the time ?

Speaker 1 23:24

He tore something in his shoulder right .

Speaker 3 23:26

Then he went to the Panthers for like a hot second who the Panthers ? Yeah , and so was Dave Kanellis . That guy's a joke too , you know who I'm mad about ?

Speaker 2 23:35

The fucking Duval , the OC , the fucking junction I was so pissed I'm not saying hey , I'm not saying don't get your paper , I'm saying go get your paper , but just do it the right way .

Speaker 3 23:46

You know what I mean , because he said he wasn't going to leave .

Speaker 2 23:48

Right , I'm like they offer him .

Speaker 3 23:50

He would have been the highest paid OC in the NFL .

Speaker 2 23:53

He would put listen .

Speaker 3 23:55

No , no , they offered him . He would have . He would have been .

Speaker 2 24:00

Jags . And then you have your number , like your shiny star , which is Travis Hunter .

Speaker 1 24:04

Yes . And I feel for him because no and then they got what's the other receiver that's over there .

Speaker 3 24:09

Well , I mean , you're also talking about Trevor Lawrence , though .

Speaker 1 24:13

Yeah .

Speaker 3 24:14

He fell off hard after his rookie season ?

Speaker 1 24:16

Yeah , he did , I mean .

Speaker 3 24:17

Liam Cohen is a good offensive talent man In terms of coach , yeah , but I don't think he's the coach .

Speaker 2 24:22

He cannot work miracles . The Jags aren't that bad man , you know what I'm saying On paper .

Speaker 1 24:27

They're not that bad , yeah they have a solid defense . They're like right there , hold on folks , we'll be right back and we'll dive back into more of these Tampa teams . We're back with more with Neo . We were talking about the OC over here , yeah , and you know , liam cohen , liam cohen listen , I'll repeat it again .

Speaker 2 24:46

I'll just I'm not against you making more money and getting an opportunity . That's great . Head coaching . There's only 32 jobs in the world . Yeah , take it how you went about it . That was a little sus you .

Speaker 3 24:58

You know what the problem is , I think , with the bucks is that they have a defensive minded head coach , which means that he's not calling the offensive plays . Dave Canales leaves , liam Cohen leaves , the next year . Really , what needs to happen , in my opinion , is Todd Bowles needs to be relieved of head coaching .

Speaker 1 25:14

Become the defensive coordinator and we hire an offensive-minded head coach , and then the OC won't leave every single fucking year from then on out , because now you feel like you're voiceless almost yeah , you're getting trumped by your head coach all the time .

Speaker 2 25:28

But how are you going to feel ? I mean the same . As it goes , defense wins championships .

Speaker 1 25:35

Sure .

Speaker 3 25:37

But the coach doesn't have to be defensive-minded , yeah .

Speaker 1 25:40

It could be the defensive coordinator . You've got young talent over there in New Orleans .

Speaker 2 25:45

They have a very short window here in Tampa going forward because Mike Evans is Getting older . Yeah , chris Gowan .

Speaker 3 25:53

Is injury prone ?

Speaker 2 25:55

But that last one was just oof , and then Mbuka , and then that kid is probably a future with , and New Orleans got Tez Johnson right oh my God , he's so fast .

Speaker 3 26:03

And then you also have Izzy oh , he's a cornerback . Mcmillan Jalen . Mcmillan J-Man .

Speaker 2 26:10

Yeah , that's another stud right there , so I'm hoping the bait picks up where he left off with the old OC . Good old shaking bait .

Speaker 4 26:20

Man Shaking bait .

Speaker 2 26:21

I love that dude , bro . Like I was always an Andrew Luck fan , peyton Manning fan , tom Brady , like you know those boring . Boring , but like fucking maniacal , like laser focus , that was what I aspired to play like and then bake bro . Oh my god , that kid just riles up the troops .

Speaker 3 26:39

I mean Baker's , it man , he's not the best he was comeback player of the year . In what year ? Like 2023 , when he got .

Speaker 1 26:47

Yeah , 23 .

Speaker 3 26:49

When he came to the Bucs .

Speaker 1 26:50

Yeah , his first year with y'all .

Speaker 3 26:51

Yeah , yeah , I mean to be at the bottom of the bottom being traded between teams Almost never playing again .

Speaker 2 27:03

Yeah , never , because I mean he the Rams .

Speaker 1 27:05

For the Rams . Yeah , Matthew .

Speaker 2 27:06

Southbrook got hurt , that motherfucker .

Speaker 1 27:07

But Baker came in and did his one too .

Speaker 3 27:10

Buck saw it after Brady retired and they're like maybe , maybe there's a chance , Because Kyle Trask was going to be garbage .

Speaker 2 27:18

I still . I don't even know why they he's done nothing .

Speaker 1 27:21

Because he'll stay on the roster for little to nothing .

Speaker 3 27:23

Yeah , who else are you going to re-sign ? Yeah , who else ?

Speaker 2 27:27

I mean take a kid out of college maybe to see we know what he's got .

Speaker 3 27:30

You've seen his limit right here Ten yards you know what would have been hilarious If they signed Shador or drafted Shador , and then you know how they signed Shiloh and you had the two Sanders brothers on the team .

Speaker 2 27:43

I'm rooting for Shiloh .

Speaker 1 27:44

Ah boy , I want Shiloh to come out here . That's a big dude .

Speaker 2 27:47

He's not a small kid , that's a big dude .

Speaker 1 27:49

Headache gang . Yeah Boy , that kid comes downhill , something serious .

Speaker 3 27:53

Actually , we were talking about this the other day . Yeah , what if Deion Sanders becomes ?

Speaker 2 27:59

the coach for Tampa . I think he has a better shot of being the Cleveland Browns coach .

Speaker 1 28:04

He don't want to be over there . We talked about this . Nobody wants to be there , but still I don't want to go to Cleveland .

Speaker 2 28:07

They'll throw a bunch of money at that . It's going to be like , hey , I'm going to give you an offer that you can't refuse .

Speaker 1 28:12

You think the Bucs ain't going to throw some money at Deion Sanders ?

Speaker 3 28:15

Yeah , because who's our defensive coordinator right now ?

Speaker 1 28:18

Very good question .

Speaker 2 28:21

Exactly , I was going to say , Todd , he's the head coach , but like he is a D .

Speaker 1 28:25

Ready ? It's not . It's not Deion Sanders . Hall of Famer most of the time . Pro bowler , all pro . Tell you what Super Bowl champ .

Speaker 2 28:34

There it is . If he brings his staff , which includes a Warren Sapp and a bunch of other like dogs , I'm like bring them over .

Speaker 1 28:40

Yeah , yeah , I'll be okay with that . Nope , what you do is you leave them over there . You leave them with Colorado , right ?

Speaker 2 28:50

Because Colorado's throwing stupid money at you right now , Colorado's throwing dumb money at him .

Speaker 1 28:53

Yeah but they don't have .

Speaker 2 28:54

Travis Hunter anymore . Man , it doesn't matter , it kind of does .

Speaker 1 28:56

For Dion , it doesn't matter . You're locked in for however long your contract is and they're going to keep throwing money at you because what you're doing is getting more people in that stands than they've ever had in the entirety of that school's existence .

Speaker 3 29:09

So is Deion Sanders still the head coach .

Speaker 1 29:11

Yeah .

Speaker 3 29:12

At Colorado .

Speaker 1 29:12

Yeah , they just had their spring stuff . He was just down there . I mean , don't get me wrong . The new quarterback , they got the true freshman . He looks solid . They got a couple receivers that they're going to be , it's going to be spread out , you know .

Speaker 2 29:28

Yeah .

Speaker 1 29:29

Production by committee , but they'll be all right .

Speaker 2 29:32

I mean , I'd say college as a whole , man , it's changed so much . And now with the NIL , and then kids are getting paid .

Speaker 1 29:38

Man , look , here You're making these little privileged assholes . Fuck these kids , bro . There's no dog in you .

Speaker 2 29:47

There's no . Well , what I'm not a fan of is like if one school is not doing so great and you like you know big fish in a small pond .

Speaker 1 29:53

You take your ball and go home .

Speaker 2 29:54

Yeah , but like , and then you just screw your boys , like the team that you put all the effort into , and then there's no pride in the school anymore , but that also allows schools that normally wouldn't win to win right , because it was Alabama for so long

Speaker 1 30:11

but Alabama would recruit kids out of freshman in high school like , hey , just come to this camp for the next four years .

Speaker 2 30:19

I wonder what the recruiting visit would be like for one of those well , they're gonna literally dangle a bag of money in front of you you see the escalade it's yours .

Speaker 3 30:28

You see this bitch . You can have her for just one night , jesus Christ . Then it goes to the next one shit .

Speaker 1 30:34

Have you ever been to Tuscaloosa ?

Speaker 2 30:37

there's nothing , I mean nevermind , that's not . There's nothing over there , man , I haven't .

Speaker 1 30:41

But there's not a lot out there Like outside of the campus .

Speaker 2 30:44

But that's why football is what it is , because it's like , it's almost like a religion . That's it , bro .

Speaker 1 30:47

Like I got people that go to Hoover High School . They went there during that two-a-day series .

Speaker 2 30:54

Oh , yeah , yeah .

Speaker 1 30:56

So from the time they were in middle school , they run the same style of football that Alabama does .

Speaker 3 31:04

Oh shit .

Speaker 1 31:05

Like . Their playbooks are almost identical , Just the verbiage is different . So they preach that to them from middle school , high school yeah . Now , when it's time for them to go to college , Alabama can go . Yeah , come here , here's your playbook . Oh , I already know this . I know , I've seen this before . So it's a factory . They just school's in the area .

Speaker 3 31:28

Well , it's also good for the athletes , because now if let's say Alabama doesn't pick them , they'll go to still a top 10 school . Yeah .

Speaker 1 31:36

Because you're in part of one of the top high schools in the country . During that Hoover shift , I think they were like number three in the nation during that Hoover shit . I think they were like number three in the nation , so like I can go to any college .

Speaker 2 31:46

I want to yeah . So Texas is huge for a high school .

Speaker 1 31:49

Oh yeah .

Speaker 2 31:50

And Alabama too as well . But I will have to say that Florida takes a cake in talent .

Speaker 1 31:56

I think Florida has the most athletic players in the country . I think Texas has the most pro-ready players .

Speaker 3 32:06

What do you mean by that ? So like when I say that is like how do you say they're athletic but not ?

Speaker 2 32:11

pro-ready , so like study in the playbook .

Speaker 1 32:13

Yeah , like the mental side of it , the mental side of it . Like in Florida , guys get by on being God-given genetic freaks of nature . You could throw a rock and find a guy who runs a 4-2 . In Texas this guy's going to run a 4-5-4-6 , but his film study is impeccable . He can dissect an entire play in a matter of a second . So it's just there's pros and cons to it

Tampa Bay Buccaneers Discussion

Speaker 1 32:41

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Speaker 3 32:41

I'm going to look up which state has the most drafted players Go for it .

Speaker 2 32:45

It's Florida . It's probably going to be California .

Speaker 1 32:46

No , it's Florida .

Speaker 2 32:47

I think it's going to be California .

Speaker 1 32:48

I'm putting money on it . We'll be putting on this I got a hot $20 says it's Florida . Hot $20 . Hot $20 says it's Florida .

Speaker 2 32:57

It's Texas . Fuck , I didn't Texas , but that was my next guess .

Speaker 3 33:01

Florida's next , and then Georgia , georgia , what the really ? So it's Texas , florida , georgia .

Speaker 2 33:07

Wow . And they don't recruit from their own city , from their own state ?

Speaker 1 33:13

Nobody wants to be in there . Like Florida , guys are content with being in Florida . Yeah , but hey , listen .

Speaker 3 33:16

Man , that's wild . To me . Georgia's not bad , but I mean , you said it .

Speaker 1 33:20

You said it Told Texas has the most pro-ready guys . Like even when I played arena over there , you could talk to a high school kid and we're talking about pro concepts but we're doing chalk talk . This kid is not only taking the concept , then drawing up what would beat it , then drawing up the adjustment that needs to be made to now beat the defense . He can walk through the entire session of a game . So their football IQ is higher .

Speaker 3 33:48

Not necessarily just the football IQ . It kind of sounds like it , but that's what you're saying , but it's just like they're more dedicated to that side of the game .

Speaker 1 33:55

In Florida , we are dedicated to being the best athlete on the field . You just want to top somebody or burn somebody and genetically you can do it , because I think it's the conditions that we play . In the humidity , you go anywhere .

Speaker 4 34:07

Like when I went to go play arena in Nebraska .

Speaker 2 34:10

You were never tired .

Speaker 1 34:11

I'm never tired and I'm head and shoulders wide lighter than almost everybody around me Texas is hot too , though .

Speaker 3 34:16

Texas is a different heat , and then lower parts of it is humid , closer to the Gulf , you know . Same with Georgia . You ever been to Georgia in the summer ?

Speaker 2 34:25

No , I think it's another Florida , Bro . Georgia is like more humid than .

Speaker 1 34:29

Florida is yeah , Georgia is way more humid .

Speaker 2 34:30

That's rough man . It's not as hot , but it's more humid .

Speaker 1 34:33

Yeah .

Speaker 2 34:34

No , man yeah it's swamp .

Speaker 1 34:36

I went to .

Speaker 3 34:36

Louisiana to play golf in October and I can tell you that's the most humidity I've ever felt .

Speaker 1 34:43

What in Louisiana ? In Louisiana . Oh yeah because you're right by the bayous and stuff .

Speaker 3 34:46

Yeah , and then I went to Arizona to also play golf and it was a dry heat and you didn't even know you were getting dehydrated . And then you'll just start feeling lightheaded and you're like oh fuck , I need to drink a lot of water .

Speaker 1 34:59

Yeah yeah , we had a flag tournament out there , yeah that bad bro , Bro , we had a flag tournament out there and , like you know , you play all day . You're there at like 9 am and you're playing until like 4 or 5 pm and , like you said , you don't really feel it . But then , boy , I have it through the old calf cramps . No , no , you just go lightheaded , yeah , the hotel room afterwards and I was like the fuck's going on oh , no , no , no , no , no no where's the IV coach , the trainer ?

Speaker 1 35:29

hell , hell , please that's the one thing I miss about pro ball that , that , that IV . Let me get that . Let me get that bro , listen . So now that we know the flag is in the Olympics , yes that's a fact yeah , now that we know the flag is in the .

Speaker 2 35:44

Olympics yes .

Speaker 1 35:45

That's a fact , yeah , 2028 .

Speaker 2 35:46

Flag football will be in the Olympics . Yeah , what's going to be the next step for kids ? So I know now they start them young like Pee Wee , mustang and all that with equipment and all that Like , take all that off . Teach them the game first . Teach them to love the game first , absolutely . You know what I mean Like Absolutely . You know what I mean . Like flag . They're not banging into each other .

Speaker 1 36:04

They get the concept of running routes clean , yep , without worrying about contact , just yet , and in a defense , you had to be able to cover with your feet Right , you had to be able to use your feet .

Speaker 2 36:13

Exactly . I'm saying like start that now , man , and then get them into high school and make that be an actual sport . No , okay . So what I'm saying is you have girls that can't some of them can't play Tackle , tackle for whatever reason . So I'm saying put that for them .

Speaker 3 36:30

So basically , what you're suggesting is 20 years from now , there's going to be no tackle football .

Speaker 2 36:34

No , no , no , no , no , no . That's not what I'm saying . For women too . For women too , oh , just women .

Speaker 1 36:45

Yeah , so they can get involved . Fell , yeah , but they were hitting each other , dude , but man , fun fact we got somebody coming who used to be in that league .

Speaker 3 36:48

No shit , I in max , we trust you just wait a second in , bob , we trust there it is god damn it .

Speaker 2 36:54

Yeah , I mean , uh , king bob bro , yeah hey , you can thank me for that huh shout out to fish oh yeah my guy , but man , no , like I would say , a lot of kids , both boys and girls , would benefit a lot Like making the transition , like from middle school to high school to sports , as far as like getting your equipment on , okay .

Speaker 1 37:16

Me personally , I would put it on . I'd put the equipment on at about 12 . 12 ? About 12 . For males or females , either way , either way , either way . Either way , To me it doesn't matter , but I think , like he said to his point , the fundamentals need to be taught early Because , as someone who refs , flag and contact there's so many times I see these coaches who are just telling these kids hey put your helmet in him .

Speaker 1 37:40

But he's six . Yeah , he's six . And you told him literally put his helmet on . He's going to take that literally and just throw his head down . Yeah , sure enough . This kid's running full speed , drops his head and he's out cold .

Speaker 1 37:51

Yeah , like we watched a six-year-old go unconscious Like because , running back's coming , he threw his head straight down Defensive player's unconscious and now number one I have to throw the flag I have to Do you talk to the coach and say yo , you can't , they don't care , they don't care . These are guys , who are not all of them . So for the youth coaches that I do know , who are going to sit , not y'all but , like some coaches are guys who just you can't tell them , yo tell them to lead with the shoulder . Yeah , put his shoulder down . It's time to wrap up .

Speaker 2 38:25

You can tell them , but if you're not drilling , the thing is , you have to drill that into their heads over and , over and over .

Speaker 1 38:29

And these coaches are guys who had ideas of glory right and never made it .

Speaker 3 38:35

Yeah .

Speaker 1 38:35

These are guys who didn't play after high school .

Speaker 3 38:37

So you're seeing 60-year-olds get knocked out cold , bro .

Speaker 1 38:42

That's why I tell people all the time hey , put your , put your little man in flag , let him get the concepts down . Let him , because now he understands pursuit angles right , he knows how to get , bring his feet to the ball . And then now making the transition from that to tackle is easier , right than the other way around for a kid yeah , so like you get your the mental aspects of it .

Speaker 2 39:00

First you learn the mechanics and you know what to do , and then you condition yourself to wear the equipment and then execute everything all together , like it's just . I find a lot of people who , like they come through high school and they go to college , or they're in high school and they just don't love it . They do it because it's cool . I get a jersey , I get a letterman's jacket ever see the fucking field .

Speaker 1 39:25

And the one thing I see with the kids now is you see kids who do it because my dad wants me to play , or that .

Speaker 1 39:27

Yeah , like that's bro , that's probably the most depressing thing I ever see , like I know for me anytime , even currently . I get out there . I'm happy . I love what . I love it , genuinely love it . No one made me start into football . I got to get into it on my own . There's a kid , um I ref at short crest . They have a youth league out own . There's a kid I ref at Shortcrest . They have a youth league out there . And there's a kid , he's a quarterback . He's a decent talent . He's a solid quarterback , more athletic than talented with his arm , but he hates playing .

Speaker 1 40:00

He genuinely hates football he plays because his dad wants him to play and you can tell his dad's over there like this , shades on and literally critiquing everything he does . So he knows that if he makes a mistake he's got to hear it from his dad . So this kid is playing , trying to play mistake-free football . That's impossible . And when he does make a mistake he goes nuclear Because not so much , he's not his team , but no , the kid he goes nuclear because when so much he's not his team .

Speaker 1 40:24

But no the kid , he goes nuclear because when he makes a mistake . Yeah , he goes nuclear because he knows his dad's gonna come yell at him . His dad's not even a coach or anything , he's just on the sideline , and he's that parent that I gotta deal with as a ref . Hey , they're touching my son . Shut up . Shut the fuck up Like it'll be all right .

Speaker 2 40:42

Man .

Speaker 3 40:43

So I think , so , essentially what you're saying , nios ? What you're saying is teach them all the fundamentals , the mechanics , without the physical abuse to a young body , correct , and once they understand football at a fundamental level , then introduce contact .

Speaker 2 41:01

Correct , because at that point they already know hey , this is a sport that I like , I want to commit to it . And then you know you've made a self-decision , like , hey , I'm going to take it on . Here comes the equipment . And then you're more physically and mentally trained to expect something else . You know how many kids I've seen in high school when I go to do know what the how ?

Speaker 3 41:23

to read a defense you can curse on this podcast . What the fuck .

Speaker 2 41:26

Like what the fuck ? If you see cover two , attack the middle . Like simple Basic concepts and I see the coaches and I know some of the coaches . They're pretty good people and they're very smart , but I don't know . It's just everybody wants to have the flashy , the deep bomb . I'm guilty of that .

Speaker 1 41:45

I'm not going to be happy . I wasn't going to .

Speaker 3 41:47

And then you get picked off .

Speaker 2 41:48

And then I get picked off . But like it is a rush , when you just make the right play , you make the right read and you just let it rip and it's a touchdown . I always give them credit to the guys because ultimately I'm just throwing the ball .

Speaker 1 42:05

They're running . They have to get by the defense , they have to get by the corner safety . You've got to put that ball in a spot that only they can catch it . Yeah , and to do that , like you know , I started as a DB Learning , now quarterback .

Speaker 2 42:13

That's harder than it looks and that's another thing is a lot of people listen . Anybody can throw a football . Not everybody can play quarterback .

Speaker 1 42:23

Valid , valid , valid .

Speaker 2 42:26

I know people that can 60 , 70 yards but then hit a moving target sinking , skipping rocks .

Speaker 3 42:33

So when you say throw a football , you just mean throw it , just throw it .

Speaker 2 42:37

Because when you go to a pickup game , I can play quarterback . All right , cool . Let me see what's the movie .

Speaker 1 42:43

Longest Yard , yeah , yeah .

Speaker 2 42:45

Like it's just shut up Brucie , shut up Brucie . Oh yeah , the little .

Speaker 1 42:48

Mexican guy yeah that's what popcorn it is . But I mean , but he's not wrong . Like there's a lot of guys who try to play quarterback , that just can't , they can't . I get by off just being athletic , so are you , are you playing ?

Speaker 3 43:02

quarterback in your 7-on-7 ? Yeah .

Speaker 2 43:06

Even though you're a DB ? Are you under the center or are you taking the dump ?

Speaker 1 43:09

I'm under center .

Speaker 2 43:10

Fucking shit yeah .

Speaker 1 43:11

Yeah , yeah , yeah . I moved out . I moved on up in the world . Now I'm under center .

Speaker 3 43:17

Man , I would figure you as a DB . You would be doing more like wide receiver .

Speaker 2 43:22

He gets bored because they don't throw his way . They don't .

Speaker 1 43:24

Oh really , Most people know me , so they don't really .

Speaker 2 43:27

I'm not going to throw it because for the most part he's baiting you half of the fucking time . See , I hate it because it happens . It happens , it's not just him . A lot of the thing is . Our community in Tampa for football is massive .

Speaker 1 43:49

He knows damn near all of them .

Speaker 2 43:50

I know them , I know most of them too , and we've all been playing together for years , years , not on the same team , but just you know , go to the park , meet up whatever differently , like skyway , yeah , exactly , yeah , stuff like that . So it's like a lot of people , the familiarity like I have a couple hotels when I'm back there that people know , hey , he's gonna throw now , hey he's looking right , hey he's looking left . I started wearing sunglasses now because apparently , fucking , I couldn't even look at one side of you , you're projecting .

Speaker 1 44:06

You're projecting Apparently . Yeah , he used to have this thing where , like I tell guys , look wherever he first rolls his shoulders and does this , it's going the other way . If he's staring at his left and does this number , whatever , this is bail that way .

Speaker 3 44:19

Damn you . Guys are going that in depth .

Speaker 2 44:21

Damn you guys are going that in depth , Bro it's playing chess to be honest , you play chess In flag . I can't just not have a line and then they can block for me .

Speaker 1 44:28

And give him plenty of time . Yeah , In flag he's got one guy with a free release straight to him .

Speaker 2 44:33

And that's like what ? 2.7 seconds , maybe 3.2 . Read the defense . Find my guy .

Speaker 3 44:39

Make the throw . So you got somebody flag yeah .

Speaker 2 44:41

And impeded like free . There's no one stopping him from getting to me . How far back are you from the snap ? Maybe five , seven yards ?

Speaker 1 44:48

Depends on the Depends . I'm a five yard guy . I give you a chance at it .

Speaker 3 44:52

So then I mean , you really got 2.7 , probably even less than that , maybe less than that , and I'm not a .

Speaker 2 44:57

I am the slowest .

Speaker 1 44:59

He's Tom Brady back there . He's not going anywhere . I am slow , whoa , whoa .

Speaker 2 45:01

That's a compliment . No , he means in the slowness .

Speaker 1 45:04

Not in the attitude . Nope , I said what I said . I'm not doing it . He'll never get that compliment , ever again . Yeah , it's taken me what 15 years 15 years to get a compliment out of me , sweet Jesus .

Speaker 2 45:13

No , but hey listen , I ripped a nice run last week bro . Did you , no , no , no , it was actually far enough that my hamstring started hurting a little bit . Yeah , nope .

Speaker 1 45:25

Hey , listen , hey take it . Well , that's the thing about him . Everybody knows he's not going to run , so you just play coverage . So when he does run , you're like what ?

Speaker 2 45:33

That's the reaction Like that is never happening again .

Speaker 4 45:35

Yeah , and I tell him it doesn't .

Speaker 2 45:39

I'll let it live happen again . It only needs to work . Once Is 10 yards a first down ?

Speaker 3 45:43

on flag . Yes , no , no , no . 20 yards . How deep is the field ?

Speaker 2 45:48

I think it's two , three first downs .

Speaker 3 45:51

How many yards we play the whole length 100 yards .

Speaker 2 45:55

I think maybe 95 .

Speaker 1 45:57

No , it's 90 yards , is that ?

Speaker 3 46:00

including the touchdown .

Speaker 1 46:02

That's including the end zone .

Speaker 3 46:03

So then the field itself is like what 75 yards then ?

Speaker 2 46:08

No , no , this is a full NFL-sized field , full field , oh fuck , so we're playing a skyway .

Speaker 1 46:12

We're moving the end zones in a little bit , so I think 95 yards . Is it as wide as a ? No , it's .

Speaker 2 46:18

I think it is wide , but within the field you play in a smaller area , Okay so you're not playing like a full width , I would love to . I don't know why they don't do that . It's only seven people .

Speaker 3 46:31

That's probably why it's only seven .

Speaker 1 46:32

That's why you bring it down . That's just seven on seven dimensions . You're playing , maybe , from the sidelines , you're playing an extra . I know it's 40 across right Across right , yeah Well , 10 yards from each sideline in In , yeah yeah . So it's still a decent-sized field , but that free rush is a if he knows what he's doing . That's tough and that's what I tell people .

Speaker 2 46:55

So he was talking about making fun of the playbook and all that , but that's what's helped me this season . This is one of the fewest seasons that I've thrown picks . I've thrown maybe five or six .

Speaker 1 47:05

That is sensational .

Speaker 2 47:09

And that is me taking risks . That is me doing stupid shit Like I'm being , like I'm going to be righteous . Trey , go deep , I got you yeah , yeah , yeah . Hey , he's down there somewhere and that's me taking risks . Normally it's about 10 . No .

Speaker 3 47:21

I'm not , I don't really on the throw that much . Well , I mean , how else do they get picked off then ?

Speaker 1 47:24

Overthrow balls out of place . Or a tip , or a tip . Yeah , A tip .

Speaker 2 47:29

But hey , I always tell them , I will always put it on me . If you didn't catch it , tell me , because I didn't put it where it needed to be . I always tell my guys , my receivers , if they drop one , I'm not I can't , you can't just take him out of the game like that . Bro , I'm just not throwing to you again .

Speaker 1 47:44

For real . He would do that though . Yeah , I trust my legs . I'm on Lamar Jackson time when I get back there . He's not . I'm not , I'm joking , I'll get ready . I'll see you later .

Speaker 2 47:56

It's all about hesitation because I'm not the fastest guy . Make that linebacker just stop for one second . If I get him flat footed for one second , then the out is open . And the thing is it's just little niches in there , little hitches , and the sidestep is fucking brutal . It is tough . Sometimes , they come full speed and I know he's not going to stop . He just flies right by and I'm like , oh , that's all . I need Two more seconds , let's go , let's cook , all right .

Speaker 1 48:24

We're going to come right back , we're going to get into some NFL predictions for this season , we're going to talk about it and we are back with more NFL predictions .

Speaker 2 48:32

That's a good segue . I did that .

Speaker 1 48:35

Always keep that thing on you . All right , neil , you're a Bucs fan . Yes , sir , bucs fan , I guess .

Speaker 4 48:43

I'm absolutely a Bucs fan .

Speaker 1 48:44

My bad , my bad . Wait , wait , wait , allegedly as far as , and it will start with NFC . Yeah , who do you think is in the top of the playoff division this year ? The Eagles .

Speaker 2 49:00

Okay , you got Eagles . Everybody says that .

Speaker 3 49:02

Washington Commanders .

Speaker 2 49:03

No , no , no , no , no , yeah , absolutely .

Speaker 1 49:06

Jaden .

Speaker 3 49:06

Daniels

NFL Quarterback Analysis

Speaker 3 49:07

had a remarkable rookie year .

Speaker 1 49:09

And I think he makes strides on that . I genuinely believe it .

Speaker 3 49:13

How you can say no is beyond me it's not .

Speaker 2 49:17

It has happened before .

Speaker 1 49:19

The RG3 , absolutely .

Speaker 2 49:21

I'm not saying that they're the same person RG3 got injured .

Speaker 3 49:23

Okay , so Jaden .

Speaker 2 49:23

Daniels doesn't really run . I'm not saying that they're the same person .

Speaker 3 49:25

Rg3 got injured . Okay , so Jaden Daniels doesn't really run as much as RG3 did he okay ?

Speaker 1 49:29

no well he did have a pretty shitty line out of point . I don't . That's what he did .

Speaker 3 49:34

He tore his ACL . Yeah , no , but that's Kyle Shatner fucked him over on that one .

Speaker 2 49:39

they put him in after he was hurt . Like you shouldn't have done that , yeah .

Speaker 4 49:43

He was being done .

Speaker 1 49:44

Yeah , robert Griffith should have been chilling . Yeah , I mean .

Speaker 2 49:46

He should have been like no , I'm not going , Are you crazy ?

Speaker 1 49:49

Nah , that's how his leg was dangling , but you got to think about it bro .

Speaker 3 49:58

That much money on the table . You were no man , I'm sorry . Like you , makes the decision to run .

Speaker 1 50:01

Yeah , that's what I'm saying , that's what I'm thinking . That much money on the table . If I think I could safely play , I'd probably try it .

Speaker 3 50:09

I'm not going to lie . I mean , you see Josh Allen , he's a running quarterback , yeah , but he was also a fucking tank , exactly . I was going to say he's also 6'5" , but he also decides to slide .

Speaker 2 50:20

Not as much as he should , though , to be honest .

Speaker 1 50:22

But even look at Lamar Lamar in the last few years . Now we're out of bounds .

Speaker 2 50:25

Yeah , he's gotten way smarter . Yeah , Lamar's not taking no hits no more .

Speaker 3 50:31

Smart kid . Yeah , so we got two teams so far .

Speaker 2 50:34

Two , that you disagree with NFC . So who are your contenders ?

Speaker 3 50:37

The Bucs I think will win the NFC South . Oh , y'all definitely win your division . Yeah , the .

Speaker 1 50:47

Eagles win , Bears Commanders are a wild card .

Speaker 3 50:49

Right yeah , Bears are probably a wild card Minnesota .

Speaker 1 50:51

Minnesota's gonna be real good Wait wait , who's in your quarterback ? No , they're gonna use a kid they're working from .

Speaker 2 50:56

Yeah because Darnell went to the Seahawks .

Speaker 1 50:59

Okay okay , Not really . I think Minnesota's gonna be good . I mean they Not really . I think Minnesota is going to be good , I mean they're going to be fine .

Speaker 2 51:06

I'm not saying they're not going to . Okay , I don't think they're going to .

Speaker 1 51:09

I think they get in the playoffs .

Speaker 2 51:11

I think they do .

Speaker 1 51:12

I think they get in .

Speaker 3 51:14

Justin Jefferson . First of all , he's going to catch whatever the fuck you throw at him .

Speaker 1 51:19

I mean , what's the tight end over there ? I forget his name what the fuck is his name ? But he's been coming into his own . They're starting to develop a solid run game and then you know he's not dealing .

Speaker 3 51:28

No it's not no , no , no , he's with a different team . Yeah , it depends , but then on top of that , they just picked up .

Speaker 1 51:33

You know Tampa's own Super Bowl champ , isaiah Rogers as their CB1 . So that helps your secondary .

Speaker 2 51:41

By the way . We're talking about just pure athletic talent . Isaiah Rogers is like that dude . Oh my God .

Speaker 1 51:48

Like he's one of the most God-gifted athletes I've seen . He doesn't run , he glides , that's how fast , he is . Well , that's like , his whole family is like that . Drc is his cousin .

Speaker 4 51:59

Really .

Speaker 1 51:59

Yeah , I fucking love him too . You know what I'm saying ? I fucking love him too . Their entire family line . If you look at anybody in that Rodgers family , they're all just ungodly athletes .

Speaker 2 52:12

It's not fair , it really is not fair .

Speaker 1 52:15

DRC's my age and could probably still go run a 4.540 right now and jog it TO can still run a 4.5 .

Speaker 2 52:23

We're not talking about TO . You might as well're not talking about .

Speaker 3 52:26

TO Fuck that , but no , no , so I mean you might as well just start talking about Colin Kaepernick at this point . I mean fuck , whoa . I mean , what's he done lately ? Exactly , that's my point , fuck that guy too Okay . But so so you got Vikings , you got the Bucs and then you got it has to be who's going to win between the Rams , seahawks , cardinals and Niners . I mean you're going to have to go Niners , right ?

Speaker 4 52:50

No , no , no , no no , brock Perry just signed a $235 million contract .

Speaker 1 52:56

I'm taking the Niners respectfully .

Speaker 2 52:58

They lost a lot of people , a lot of people . So then , what Rams ?

Speaker 3 53:01

A lot of people , a lot of people . So then , what ? Rams Seahawks ?

Speaker 2 53:04

Cardinals are better than the Niners , definitely the Seahawks .

Speaker 1 53:07

Who just lost DK Metcalf .

Speaker 2 53:09

No they didn't .

Speaker 4 53:10

Yes , they did .

Speaker 1 53:10

He's at the Pittsburgh now , are you ? Oh , and they lost Geno Smith .

Speaker 2 53:14

I have not been paying attention to Geno .

Speaker 3 53:19

Smith .

Speaker 1 53:20

Yeah , I was .

Speaker 3 53:21

I mean it's between the Rams and the Niners . That's real . I'm going to take the Niners because they still Niners .

Speaker 1 53:25

You still got CMC . You still got George Kittle , you still got Brock Purdy Huh . Brock .

Speaker 3 53:31

Purdy .

Speaker 1 53:31

You still got Brock Purdy . You know what I mean . Brandon Ayuk . You still got most McCaffrey , you know . Count him in McCaffrey . Yes , he only had one season being hurt , yeah because he wasn't hurt in the Panthers .

Speaker 2 53:47

You're talking about Debo Samuels , who he was always hurt for . No no no , not Debo , and Debo doesn't play for the Niners anymore , yeah , he's gone , debo's gone , what did he ? Go to , I forget .

Speaker 1 53:54

Damn that bad . He's always hurt every season .

Speaker 3 53:58

And I mean Christian McCaffrey . The reason why the Niners really didn't do too well in 2024 is because he was out the whole year .

Speaker 1 54:06

Yeah , almost yeah , what it was is . He could have came back , but they sat him , which is a smart move , smart thing .

Speaker 4 54:12

You know what ? Fuck it , we'll eat this .

Speaker 1 54:13

We'll eat this for the long run they were 6-11 , right . Yeah , it's not worth you . Why are ?

Speaker 3 54:18

you going to injure this guy ? It's kind of like when God Godwin got injured and they played him when the Bucs were already losing no chance of coming back . Yeah , no , no , that was just yeah , so it was a good move by them sitting Christian , so Christian's coming in .

Speaker 1 54:30

He's going to be fully healthy . Yeah .

Speaker 2 54:32

Well , we played the Niners this year , so we'll see . I think we played them in . Sanford .

Speaker 3 54:38

And then now you got the AFC .

Speaker 2 54:40

AFC , so that's spicy .

Speaker 1 54:42

The Ravens will be the top of their division .

Speaker 2 54:46

So , ravens Bills , I'm going to give you a dark horse here Go ahead .

Speaker 3 54:50

Talk to me the Chiefs also , Come on .

Speaker 2 54:52

Obviously that's a given God . Dang it . Taylor Swift curse baby .

Speaker 3 54:55

And then you got the division AFC South Texans , colts , jaguars and Titans .

Speaker 1 55:00

Give me the . Texans . I Give me the Texans I want to go .

Speaker 2 55:02

Jags , I think . No , I want to go .

Speaker 3 55:04

Jags Did the CJ Stroud , I don't know man .

Speaker 1 55:09

The kid looks good . He does look good bro , but I do want to see what happens with the Jags .

Speaker 3 55:13

He's in his junior year now , right ?

Speaker 1 55:15

Yeah , I think so .

Speaker 2 55:16

I'm thinking Colts . I'm the only one thinking Col season .

Speaker 3 55:18

Yeah , but who was their quarterback ? Wait , no .

Speaker 1 55:26

AR-15 is a dude , ar-15 stays hurt . Oh yeah , who the fuck is their quarterback , anthony Richardson .

Speaker 2 55:32

Yeah , he played for the Gators number 15 . That's what ? Ar-15 . Yeah , but yeah , so he's always hurt . The Bills are in guaranteed , guaranteed . The Chiefs are in , the Ravens are in the Steelers maybe no Steelers we own them , steelers made it last season .

Speaker 1 55:47

Yeah , and then they played us , and then come on bro .

Speaker 2 55:51

Hey man , dark Horse here I'm calling wild card Dark Horse because I think Adrian McCartney , not Adrian McCartney , the kid from the the Patriots Was it May Drake May , yeah , he balled out last season and then he's got that one year in experience on him .

Speaker 3 56:10

They were 4-13 , so I don't know what kind of balling out you're talking about .

Speaker 2 56:14

Before he started they had the Jacoby Brissett kid .

Speaker 3 56:17

Oh , yeah , yeah . When he started he was actually competitive . Jacoby Brissett got drafted high in the draft as well . Yeah , I don't know who made that mistake . It was probably the front office .

Speaker 1 56:28

It was in Cleveland when he first got in .

Speaker 2 56:30

Yeah , but he went to . He got a ring with the Patriots right because he backed out Brady for a while . Is it Kobe Brissett ?

Speaker 3 56:36

He's been in the league that long Since 2019 ?

Speaker 2 56:38

Kid's been in the league for a while , oh shit .

Speaker 1 56:41

No , because it was Brady's last year with the Patriots 2019 was the last year with the Patriots . What was his last Super Bowl year with the Patriots ?

Speaker 2 56:47

No , he didn't win that year . That's when he lost to the .

Speaker 1 56:49

That's what I'm saying what year did he win ? Because I don't think Brissette was with them . Yeah , and I don't care what nobody says , I don't like them .

Speaker 3 57:00

I don't like the Patriots . I don't like the Patriots at all . Dark horse man , Dark horse .

Speaker 1 57:04

I don't see it .

Speaker 2 57:06

They didn't pick up nothing .

Speaker 1 57:08

Damn , he's from West Palm Florida , boy . Yeah , of course that's why he's in the league this long .

Speaker 3 57:13

He was only okay . So he was with the Patriots in 2016 and then in 2024 . Before that , he was with the Colts from 2017 to 2020 , miami 2021 , and then Cleveland Browns 2022 , commanders 2023 , and now he's with the Cardinals .

Speaker 2 57:29

This guy's another Ryan Fitzpatrick captain backup Don't compare him to Fitz Magic bro . Fitz is my guy bro . I love Fitzy .

Speaker 1 57:34

Yeah , first off , fitz is the only NFL player I go drinking with 100% .

Speaker 3 57:39

Really yeah , you wouldn't have a drink with Tom Brady .

Speaker 2 57:43

No , he won't no .

Speaker 1 57:45

He had to win a fucking Super Bowl to cut loose bro Ready as a Ravens fan , no .

Speaker 2 57:50

Oh see , you can't do that . Come on man , why Okay ?

Speaker 3 57:52

as a Ravens fan , you're going to have a drink with Pat Mahomes . No , no , what the fuck ?

Speaker 1 57:57

No , dude that you're rejecting . He's not going to be fun to hang out with .

Speaker 3 58:04

You don't think .

Speaker 1 58:04

Pat Mahomes would be fun to hang out with . I would have a drink with fucking Travis Kelsey before Pat Mahomes . No , no , I don't know about that you know what I'll do , jason Kelsey .

Speaker 3 58:14

I don't want to have to see Taylor Swift Jason .

Speaker 2 58:16

Kelsey , yeah , or George Kittle , jason .

Speaker 3 58:18

Kelsey yes 100% match .

Speaker 2 58:19

George Kittle looks George could lose . He's a good type .

Speaker 3 58:22

Yeah , I would like . I mean , if I had a choice With Mike Evans . Yeah , I don't think he's gonna be Fun to hang out with . But the stories he could tell you .

Speaker 1 58:33

Fuck , oh , if we're doing it For that purposes .

Speaker 2 58:34

I mean , why the fuck not Johnny Manziel ?

Speaker 1 58:36

bro , let's fucking party . Yeah , no , cause I'm not Trying to go to jail , you don't .

Speaker 3 58:41

Bro , well , well then say no , yeah , I mean . If that's the case , then fucking Johnny Manziel , bro , all day you know what I'll party with that motherfucker you know what I'd go hang out with Baker Mayfield ?

Speaker 2 58:50

Yeah , yeah , oh yeah , 100% If we're going pure party factor .

Speaker 1 58:55

I'd go to hang out with Baker Mayfield . I would say I agree 1,000% .

Speaker 2 58:58

Hey .

Speaker 4 58:58

B bro listen .

Speaker 2 58:59

Go on , max we .

Speaker 1 59:00

Trust On us . We need Baker Mayfield to come on in here . You know what ? I know ? A place in downtown St Pete . All you can drink . It's on me , it's on the house . What's it called ? Omnia Blue . Don't even worry about it , we got you covered . Is it a strip club ? Absolutely . There you go , pussy and drinks , let's go T titties drinks , hookahs , you name it . We got it Everything .

Speaker 3 59:27

You're convincing Neo over here . He's like it's Saturday . I'm good .

Speaker 1 59:31

Shit me , his wife's going to kill him .

Speaker 2 59:35

That's the more likely problem . His wife would kill him .

Speaker 4 59:38

Allegedly allegedly Neo went .

Speaker 1 59:42

To my knowledge , he went home . That's the story I'm going to tell .

Speaker 2 59:46

Listen so when Tampa was dealing with the trying to get Baker to come back , I went to my stepdaughter . She plays volleyball so I went to a volleyball tournament down in Wiregrass here on the team . Her teammate , her one of the girls was Raheem Morris' daughter . Oh Shit , dude , I'm this fucking game . And I see this dude walking in a hoodie like Jordan , jordan Lofit , but the Jordan shoes , his walk was what gave him away . And then the girl's last name is Morris , but she has a different last name on the back of her jersey . I think they do that for security . Yeah , man , this who sits down takes off a hoodie . I'm like holy shit , that's Raheem Morris , two feet away from me . Coolest dude I've ever met as far as NFL level . Horrible coach , super relatable .

Speaker 1 1:00:36

He was super cool . The coolest coach I think I've ever met was Tony Dungy .

Speaker 3 1:00:45

Yeah , I met him too at the church . Tony Dungy is probably the coolest I've met , and you know what ? To that point , I mean shit , bro . I am so upset Tony Dungy could never win a Super Bowl for Tampa man , I would have loved him to be a Super Bowl champ with Tampa and also the Colts when Tampa won the Super Bowl and people say Gruden , that team was already primed for a Super Bowl .

Speaker 2 1:01:01

It could have taken anybody just to get in the helmet and push them over the hill .

Speaker 3 1:01:04

The problem was , or the reason they won is because John Gruden was offensive-minded right . I mean Rich McKay , you have .

Speaker 2 1:01:11

Sorry , you have fucking Brad Johnson as your quarterback .

Speaker 1 1:01:15

Yeah , at the time , but at the time he was playing at an all-pro level .

Speaker 3 1:01:22

I don't know , the first pass he threw was a pick in the Super Bowl , but I was saying during that season , if you're looking just at his numbers , he didn't have a bad season , but the thing is for an offensive-minded coach like Rudin , the way that offense played . It wasn't consistent , but it was better than the way it was under Tony .

Speaker 2 1:01:37

Dungy , no , they just didn't .

Speaker 3 1:01:39

And then if anybody says that Tony Dungy was coaching that defense .

Speaker 2 1:01:42

Fuck , no , bro , it was Monty Kiffin all day 100% RIP to the GOAT , by the way .

Speaker 3 1:01:48

Yeah , rip to Monty . Why is he not in the ring ? He should .

Speaker 2 1:01:52

He's not in their ring of honor ?

Speaker 1 1:01:53

Not yet .

Speaker 3 1:01:54

No , he's not Wait . I don't think so .

Speaker 1 1:01:59

Monty Kiffin isn't , is he I ? I thought he was . I thought they gave it to him after he died .

Speaker 2 1:02:02

But no so . Anyways , when the Bucs won the Super Bowl that year , when Gruden was the coach and the Raiders made it too , yeah . I always said that that's Gruden .

Speaker 1 1:02:10

That's Dungy's team .

Speaker 2 1:02:11

That's Dungy's team , and Gruden would have made it to the Super Bowl regardless .

Speaker 1 1:02:14

Yeah , either way , either way yeah .

Speaker 4 1:02:25

That's argument . But like fuck that argument , bro it was dungy's team .

Speaker 2 1:02:27

If it was dungy's team , he would have won the nfc championship and then made it to the super bowl regardless .

Speaker 3 1:02:29

Yeah , because he'd have been with uh oakland that's kind of like saying , all right , well , oakland was gruden's team , it was . That's exactly the point . So basically gruden brought two teams to the super bowl .

Speaker 2 1:02:41

That is actually factually correct and rich gannon's garbage I I mean that year he was playing , he was the MVP right , I think he was the MVP . No , not that year Rich Gannon was playing lights out . Bro , you don't make it to the Super Bowl scoring touchdowns Ready .

Speaker 1 1:02:57

Name four Rich Gannon highlights you remember ? Fuck none , I don't follow the Raiders Jesus .

Speaker 2 1:03:01

Christ , that none . I don't follow the Raiders . Jesus Christ , that's not fair , that's not fair .

Speaker 1 1:03:05

That's the point . Like bro , I don't remember nothing Rich Gannon ever did , like granted , I don't remember nothing Trent Dilfer ever did either , but Nah , he had a one . No , no , no , Nope , nope . Every highlight from that Super Bowl is of Ray Lewis and company .

Speaker 4 1:03:21

Lighting the lives , oh my God , ray Lewis and company . Lighting the lives , lighting people up , oh my .

Speaker 1 1:03:24

God , Even , even no . Joe Flacco has a couple highlights on that , Joe .

Speaker 3 1:03:30

Flacco oh , his rookie year , he's still a good quarterback .

Speaker 2 1:03:33

He was a mobile dude .

Speaker 1 1:03:34

He can run I can hold you Like that run . I think that was the first time I ever really saw Baltimore have a real offense .

Speaker 4 1:03:40

Yeah , because that dude , he had Jacoby Jones I repeated Jacoby Jones too .

Speaker 1 1:03:49

That dude showed up at that playoff run . That dude had a punt return for a touchdown , caught a miracle pass to keep us over Denver .

Speaker 2 1:03:59

How long has Harbaugh been ?

Speaker 1 1:04:01

a coach for the Ravens . I don't remember anybody else as long as I can remember .

Speaker 4 1:04:03

Yeah , I don't remember any other coaches , so if they , don't win the Super Bowl in the next , let's say , two seasons ?

Speaker 2 1:04:06

do you keep them ? Yeah ?

Speaker 1 1:04:09

I don't know , man , I don't know Even though you don't get to the promised land .

Speaker 3 1:04:13

I mean Well , look , mike Tomlin's been kept by the Steelers for how long .

Speaker 1 1:04:17

Yeah , and the last Super Bowl , and that's another thing and like yeah that's true , but you also got to look at it like no matter what you give him on the field , they're always in the playoffs .

Speaker 2 1:04:28

Well , that's true , you know what I'm saying .

Speaker 1 1:04:30

Like there have been years with the Steelers and I'm not a Steelers fan by any stretch of the imagination where I'm like this is a dogshit team . Somehow , someway , he's got them in the playoffs with just enough wins to get in , and that's hard to do in the NFL Damn it .

Speaker 3 1:04:45

He's not wrong . Yeah , rich Gannon actually was the MVP .

Speaker 2 1:04:50

Ew , listen , you know who he was throwing to Hall of Famers , most of them Jerry Rice , right Jerry Rice , Tim Brown , Charlie Gardner .

Speaker 1 1:04:59

He's not a .

Speaker 2 1:04:59

Hall of Famer .

Speaker 1 1:05:00

Who's that receiving court ?

Speaker 3 1:05:02

For 2002 Ravens .

Speaker 1 1:05:05

No , no , no Oakland .

Speaker 4 1:05:07

Raiders .

Speaker 2 1:05:10

Yeah .

Speaker 1 1:05:11

These dudes are putting out numbers , bro . Well , I mean , that's why Kurt Warner was MVP during the greatest show on turf . I don't , no comment .

Speaker 3 1:05:19

Bro . No . Kurt Warner , Marshall Falk , Isaiah Bruce I'm sorry , Come on now . You got to give them boys their due .

Speaker 1 1:05:24

And Kurt Warner , marshall Falk , isaiah Bruce I'm sorry , come on now . You got to give them boys their due , yeah , and Kurt .

Speaker 3 1:05:26

Warner was how old ? Like fucking 35 ?

Speaker 1 1:05:28

35 , 36 doing that .

Speaker 3 1:05:30

Bro , that's ungodly . How can you say no , no , no , no , no .

Speaker 2 1:05:33

I'm just not a Kurt fan . Because he destroyed us when we were in the division . No , did we the Bucks ? No , no , no , no , no . But we play the Rams a lot and he was part of the team that just oh , in the playoffs .

Speaker 1 1:05:45

Yeah , he built the hash out of me . I mean respectfully , that's what he does , no he did , he did I can hold you . I saw his arena football highlights .

Speaker 3 1:05:53

So the wide receivers for the Oakland Raiders Go ahead , All right . Tim Brown , James Jett , Marcus Knight , Jerry Porter , Jerry Rice .

Speaker 2 1:06:03

Elvis Whitted , jerry Porter , you remember that moment .

Speaker 3 1:06:05

Yeah , oof , that was on their 2002 . That's a decent little lineup right there .

Speaker 1 1:06:11

You know who the fuck ? We have Jerry Rice , though .

Speaker 3 1:06:12

man , that's probably the only name that stands out . I mean , the rest of them are kind of like man .

Speaker 1 1:06:16

That's what I'm saying , and Rich , Gannon was able to do that .

Speaker 3 1:06:19

Mvp .

Speaker 1 1:06:19

Yeah , and you're talking about old Jerry Rice . This isn't a prime Jerry Rice .

Speaker 2 1:06:24

He wasn't Seattle Jerry Rice either . It doesn't matter , it's not 49ers Jerry Rice .

Speaker 1 1:06:29

No , this is not the same guy .

Speaker 3 1:06:33

And when you think about who has thrown the Jerry Rice , Joe Montana , Steve Young .

Speaker 2 1:06:37

Yeah , legends , all legends .

Speaker 1 1:06:39

It's okay , goddamn , it wasn't Lamar Jackson . And now , if you ?

Speaker 3 1:06:43

think about who's thrown to Mike Evans for 11 consecutive seasons at 1,000 yards .

Speaker 4 1:06:51

Jameis Winston Mike .

Speaker 3 1:06:51

Lennon .

Speaker 2 1:06:55

Fitzpatrick , he's not weird , but the guy Tom .

Speaker 3 1:06:57

Brady .

Speaker 2 1:06:59

McMahon oh my God , he played for .

Speaker 3 1:07:02

Mike .

Speaker 2 1:07:02

Lennon . No , well , him too the long neck . Yeah long neck . Long neck , glennon . There was a guy Shoot . He played with the Bears . What year he wore number 12 . And it was when we had the old stupid-ass jersey Mitch Trubisky . No , not Mitch . No , he would have been an improvement . Oh my God , oh my God . Brad Johnson , no , no , no , no , he was Mike Evans , he was a quarterback .

Speaker 3 1:07:27

Oh fuck bro I know who you're . He did Malia and South Josh Freeman .

Speaker 2 1:07:33

Josh .

Speaker 3 1:07:33

Freeman Boom Bro , what the .

Speaker 2 1:07:36

I don't think .

Speaker 3 1:07:37

Josh Freeman threw to .

Speaker 2 1:07:38

Mike Evans . No , no , it was a year before , but wow that kid bro , he has so much potential . Whatever happened to Josh Freeman ? He did too many drugs .

Speaker 1 1:07:47

Yeah , he's out of the league already , but ready . If you look at it like this , who are the top three quarterbacks that's thrown to Mike Evans .

Speaker 3 1:07:54

James Winston there it is Tom .

Speaker 1 1:07:57

Brady

NFL Season Predictions

Speaker 1 1:07:58

and now Baker . I was going to say people will be like . Well , james wasn't even that good .

Speaker 3 1:08:03

Fuck , james was amazing man . Thank you , amazing , yes , yeah absolutely .

Speaker 4 1:08:08

You know when he played for the Bucs .

Speaker 2 1:08:10

Yes .

Speaker 3 1:08:10

Entertaining . You know when he played for the Bucs . He was thrown with uncorrected vision .

Speaker 1 1:08:15

That dude couldn't see .

Speaker 2 1:08:16

So hold up , hold up . So you're a professional , multi-billion dollar organization and , and you could not figure it out , when did you get your glasses .

Speaker 3 1:08:25

Huh , when did you get your glasses ?

Speaker 2 1:08:28

when I realized that I needed them .

Speaker 3 1:08:29

Yeah , when was that , I don't know ? Like five years ago , five years ago and you're 41 , right ? Yeah , so you didn't need them before then . No , oh shit , it just gradually . So what you're saying is someone can uh get corrective lenses at a later stage in their life . I mean , if you want to . And the setup no , no , no , mic drop . I mean fuck dog . He didn't know what good vision was . He went through his entire life thinking this is how you see , and he's played like that .

Speaker 1 1:08:58

Think about it .

Speaker 3 1:08:59

He played balled out in college like that , and baseball too , and baseball Sounds like an excuse then college like that and baseball too , sounds like an excuse , then that's not an excuse , bro . That's what it is Ready .

Speaker 1 1:09:06

He still was top five in the league in passing yards .

Speaker 4 1:09:09

Yes , and touchdowns .

Speaker 3 1:09:11

And interceptions . That's what he wants to go . That's fine .

Speaker 1 1:09:16

Then he got his vision corrected .

Speaker 3 1:09:18

Yeah , he was dropping bombs at the Saints . Oh , he's got a hell of an arm . But , at the Saints , he was getting better .

Speaker 1 1:09:25

He was getting better because he could fucking see .

Speaker 3 1:09:27

But then you got to taste some hill right . But listen , why the fuck is that going on ? Yeah , I don't know .

Speaker 1 1:09:32

I don't fucking know and Spencer Rattler's over there Now yeah .

Speaker 4 1:09:37

Listen , I who's best .

Speaker 3 1:09:40

Where's Jameis at now ? The Giants with fucking Danger Russ .

Speaker 2 1:09:42

That is the corniest who .

Speaker 3 1:09:45

Russell Wilson , russell Wilson , oh yeah , and also DeVito , devito .

Speaker 2 1:09:49

DeVito , devito . Hey , but listen , I think I'm rooting for him to do well with the Giants , but the Giants are going to find a way to fuck this up . All New York teams find a way to fuck it up .

Speaker 3 1:10:02

You know what I want ? I want Jameis back in Tampa . No , fuck , no , no , no , no . Once is enough . No , no , no . To play behind Baker bro .

Speaker 2 1:10:09

He's not going to do that .

Speaker 1 1:10:10

Yes , he will . Why not ?

Speaker 2 1:10:10

Because he's a bigger star , why the same reason .

Speaker 3 1:10:14

You want Kyle Trask backing up Baker .

Speaker 2 1:10:20

Fuck . No , and Jameis . So if he comes to Tampa , then he bombed in New York .

Speaker 1 1:10:24

Fuck that , jameis . We need you back in Tampa hell yeah .

Speaker 2 1:10:27

So if you want him back , it makes me trust we'll start the movement . In what situation ? We'll start the movement give me the scenario here because Baker goes down injured . Baker . I want starting , but I want .

Speaker 3 1:10:38

Jameis as our backup , because , bro , our backups in .

Speaker 1 1:10:41

Tampa suck , and Jameis is a true gunslinger .

Speaker 3 1:10:44

He is he can throw the fucking ball .

Speaker 2 1:10:46

That's not the answer .

Speaker 1 1:10:48

What's the answer ?

Speaker 2 1:10:49

Well , just being a gunslinger , is not it ?

Speaker 1 1:10:50

Yeah , it is , so who's the answer ?

Speaker 2 1:10:52

Well , let's see how he does with the Giants .

Speaker 3 1:10:54

for one season Did you forget that he threw over like 4,500 yards in a single season . Yes , and a lot of picks too . I get that part , but he was blind . Now , match him up , pair him up with his longtime friend , mike Evans .

Speaker 1 1:11:08

This line , this O-line , which is the best he'll be playing behind a legit run game and multiple weapons I like him , because who was coaching Jameis in Tampa ?

Speaker 3 1:11:20

Raheem Morris .

Speaker 1 1:11:21

Yeah . And then we had one season with Bruce Arians yeah , well with .

Speaker 3 1:11:26

Bruce Arians and then also . Lovie Smith and then he also played with Greg Sciano .

Speaker 2 1:11:31

No or was that Josh Freeman ? That was Josh Freeman . That was Josh Freeman . That was not a good look .

Speaker 3 1:11:36

So Jameis didn't really have a big coaching talent other than Bruce Arians other than BA .

Speaker 1 1:11:40

No legit quarterback coach to really Exactly .

Speaker 3 1:11:43

You know what I mean . I would have loved for him to stay , tom Brady to come in .

Speaker 1 1:11:48

That's the time Brady will be right back to you . We'll get right back to it , I promise . And we're back one more time Once again , time and time again . With Neal , we were talking about it . You're saying you don't want Jameis back in Tampa .

Speaker 2 1:12:01

I pleaded my case because , okay , if he's good enough to be a starter , that means he did good in New York , which means the only way you get him is you trade for him , and that means something terribly wrong when it happened with Baker .

Speaker 3 1:12:14

Yeah , like he got injured . Right If he got injured , if he got injured Like I don't .

Speaker 1 1:12:18

We don't wish that on Baker , though .

Speaker 2 1:12:19

No , absolutely not , no , no , no and also I would go other options before bringing him back again .

Speaker 3 1:12:25

So I asked you this off air Do you think any one of these quarterbacks that are currently on the Bucs roster are better than Jameis Winston ?

Speaker 1 1:12:33

Roll that list .

Speaker 3 1:12:34

Connor Bazalek .

Speaker 1 1:12:37

Michael .

Speaker 3 1:12:37

Pratt or Kyle Trask .

Speaker 2 1:12:41

No , none of them . So then why wouldn't you ?

Speaker 3 1:12:42

want Jameis on that roster , why wouldn't ?

Speaker 1 1:12:44

you trade all three of them for Jameis . I would fucking do that in the parking lot of the gym today .

Speaker 2 1:12:48

It's the same reason why . Well , never mind , that's not the same thing , because Tim Tebow actually sucked In the NFL .

Speaker 3 1:12:55

Tim Tebow won a playoff game . Good for him . You just said he sucked . He does , and he's technically a Super Bowl champ , technically With who the Broncos Was he on that team when they won the Super . Bowl no . When Peyton Manning won it no .

Speaker 1 1:13:10

No , no , no , Hell . No , I don't think Tim Tebow was on that roster no .

Speaker 3 1:13:14

He did play for the Broncos , but I think that's a year or two later .

Speaker 2 1:13:17

Yeah , before yeah .

Speaker 1 1:13:20

Before or after ? Yeah , because I .

Speaker 2 1:13:21

Before or after , because I don't think he might have been the reason is like Tim Tebow was bigger than most starters as far as like stardom , stardom , yeah , and then everybody wanted to talk to him and just walk past the starter , like you don't want that kind of circus in your but .

Speaker 1 1:13:34

I will say this Tim Tebow , okay , yeah , no , he wasn't on that , I was thinking I was thinking he . The big thing with Tim Tebow is , I always say , as a person , he's probably one of the greatest human beings you'll ever meet in your life .

Speaker 2 1:13:45

Yes , yes , yes , yes , yes , I agree Do .

Speaker 1 1:13:47

I wish he had fell into a different scenario in the NFL .

Speaker 2 1:13:52

I wish that Urban Myers and also his now needed to do better coaching that kid .

Speaker 3 1:13:57

Why was ?

Speaker 2 1:13:57

he a bust in the NFL Because he didn't have good mechanics . He relied on his talents more than anything else . His he didn't have good mechanics , he relied on his talents more than anything else , his leg was his God-given talent .

Speaker 1 1:14:09

No , because he played on the best , arguably one of the best college teams in college football history .

Speaker 2 1:14:11

Fuck yeah , god Gators .

Speaker 1 1:14:12

Yeah oh , that year , yeah that year , you could throw to anybody out there and you had the Pouncey Twins keeping you clean for most of the game .

Speaker 2 1:14:19

And the tight end room was a little dangerous in more ways than . That's what I'm saying , like that I like what you did there .

Speaker 1 1:14:25

That tight end room was a little .

Speaker 3 1:14:26

So I mean he could run though .

Speaker 2 1:14:28

He could run , yes , and he could run people over . Yeah , yeah , you could run in the SEC . So he came to the NFL and he realized not everybody's a college kid , yeah .

Speaker 3 1:14:35

But I mean , would you say that if maybe he got Prime Tebow drafted this year ?

Speaker 1 1:14:44

Right now . Right now , With the way the NFL is now yeah because you got a lot of running quarterbacks . He goes nuclear .

Speaker 3 1:14:48

He goes crazy , right , he goes nuclear .

Speaker 2 1:14:50

But if he has to throw the ball , then I can't . I can't .

Speaker 3 1:14:53

He wasn't bad at throwing the ball , though Look at the film I'm going to have to .

Speaker 4 1:14:57

No , no , no .

Speaker 1 1:14:59

Look at the film right now Tim Tebow in the league right now with all the rules protecting quarterbacks , the RPOs , all that shit , tim .

Speaker 2 1:15:11

Tebow goes nuclear . His strength needs to be throwing , not running Josh Allen's strength .

Speaker 1 1:15:17

what makes him dangerous is the fact that he can run .

Speaker 2 1:15:22

Right , but that shouldn't be his primary .

Speaker 1 1:15:24

But that's can run Right , but that shouldn't be his primary . But that's a thing If you put .

Speaker 3 1:15:28

Tebow and the Ravens right now , with Derrick Henry in the back field , everything .

Speaker 4 1:15:35

Are they winning games ?

Speaker 1 1:15:37

The run game will be unstoppable , but are they winning games ?

Speaker 2 1:15:40

Maybe They'll just tire some people out With the culture out there , yeah , all day he's winning .

Speaker 4 1:15:46

Yeah , he's winning . Why so he got ?

Speaker 3 1:15:49

drafted in the wrong decade . That's what I'm saying , even in the wrong team .

Speaker 1 1:15:53

You could have put him on . What year was that that he got drafted ? 2011-ish , 12 .

Speaker 2 1:15:59

Point is he was great in college 2010 . 2010 . Okay , wow , 15 years ago .

Speaker 1 1:16:05

Watch this . If he goes to , let's say , the 49ers behind Kaepernick , no , listen . In a situation where that's already comfortable with a running quarterback , that goes better than it does in Denver .

Speaker 3 1:16:20

So , let's read off the teams he played for .

Speaker 1 1:16:23

He played for the Broncos the .

Speaker 3 1:16:25

Jets , the Patriots , the Eagles and the Jags .

Speaker 1 1:16:27

And none of those are .

Speaker 2 1:16:29

And the Jags shouldn't count , because the Jags he tried out as a tight end and that shit was embarrassing .

Speaker 3 1:16:35

So for the Patriots , the Eagles and the Jags he was offseason and or practice squad member only Eagles and the Jags he was offseason and or practice squad member only . So really , he only played from 2010 to 2012 for the Broncos and then the Jets .

Speaker 1 1:16:48

And the Jets was an experiment because they were coming off their hard knocks bullshit .

Speaker 3 1:16:53

Yeah , and let me tell you about the Jets . That's about as much as I got to say .

Speaker 1 1:16:57

The Jets' best chance of winning was back in the day , during their hard knocks run , when they had LaDainian Thompson .

Speaker 2 1:17:02

Mark .

Speaker 1 1:17:02

Sanchez Darrell Revis Jason .

Speaker 2 1:17:05

Taylor , they dropped off so fast . Who Mark Sanchez ?

Speaker 4 1:17:10

Oh God After the .

Speaker 1 1:17:12

Buffalo Bowl . He's such a great dude . He's such a great guy Cali boy he went to USC . That's why he sucks . Oh my God , West Coast shit .

Speaker 4 1:17:23

No , but if I want to .

Speaker 1 1:17:25

Notice they're not number in the top four on who brings best athletes .

Speaker 3 1:17:27

Actually , you got something here , bro East Coast produces and the Midwest produce the best football players . Yeah , that's what .

Speaker 1 1:17:34

I tell you West .

Speaker 3 1:17:34

Coast . I mean like who ?

Speaker 1 1:17:42

USC maybe , maybe every once in a while , but that doesn't mean where are they from originally ?

Speaker 2 1:17:45

Yeah , exactly .

Speaker 1 1:17:46

Like the guys from Florida , go over there , play over there , and I went to USC . You're from Florida .

Speaker 2 1:17:54

Hey , so what do you think ?

Speaker 3 1:17:56

T-Bowl is actually from Florida . He's from Ponte .

Speaker 2 1:17:59

Vedra no , no , no , ponte Vedra Down south .

Speaker 3 1:18:01

No , no , no , Ponte Vedra is up north by Jacksonville .

Speaker 2 1:18:04

I thought he played in . No , he was born in Ponte Vedra .

Speaker 1 1:18:08

Oh , okay , yeah he played for Nice High School .

Speaker 2 1:18:10

Is it true that his dad created Tebow , or was the founder , or something like that , tebow ?

Speaker 4 1:18:17

I'm dating myself here a little bit guys .

Speaker 3 1:18:19

You're talking about the recording of the .

Speaker 2 1:18:22

I don't know .

Speaker 1 1:18:23

I hope not .

Speaker 2 1:18:24

I could research that someone told me that and that sounds kind of fugazi a little bit sounds like some Trumpisms listen , I'm not a fan . I'm not a fan . I am a fan . I'm a fan of the show , but I'm not a fan . I'm not a fan . I am a fan . I am not a fan . I'm a fan of the show but I'm not a fan of the actions . How can you not ?

Speaker 3 1:18:45

Hey look , your parents are from Cuba , bro .

Speaker 2 1:18:52

Well , that doesn't really like . What's the correlation there ?

Speaker 3 1:18:55

The fact that your parents lived in a communist country . And that's why most Democrats and liberals are uh socialists or communists I'm an actual independent .

Speaker 2 1:19:03

I don't like the .

Speaker 3 1:19:04

I'm not party affiliated , but I'm a fan of trump , I am I can't be a fan of someone play mini man every time he goes somewhere .

Speaker 1 1:19:11

I mean he's , he's killing people , that you know , what I'm saying . My dog is killing people . He's been shot at .

Speaker 2 1:19:16

He's the new 50 center presidents bro , he got shot at allegedly , hey no .

Speaker 4 1:19:21

Allegedly .

Speaker 3 1:19:23

No , he got shot at , no stop .

Speaker 2 1:19:25

Mike Tyson got bit on his ear and his shit's still missing , Mike .

Speaker 3 1:19:28

Tyson did not get bit on his ear .

Speaker 2 1:19:30

What the fuck did you ?

Speaker 3 1:19:31

say Evander Holyfield .

Speaker 2 1:19:33

Oh sorry , sorry the other one .

Speaker 3 1:19:34

Yeah , okay , this is a bunch of misinformation from another immigrant .

Speaker 4 1:19:37

Yeah from another immigrant .

Speaker 3 1:19:39

You know what ?

Speaker 1 1:19:40

Deport . I'm just kidding . I'm just kidding , bro , it's fake news . Hey Nielsen , I'm not fucking leaving .

Speaker 3 1:19:44

I'm not fucking leaving , Damn it where's . Oh , that's Wolf Wall Street . Yeah , yeah , yeah .

Speaker 2 1:19:49

And that's the reason why I'm saying he's hurt Like he got shot bro .

Speaker 1 1:19:55

That was no joke he Constructive surgery . Yeah , you can put that back . You can put it back , Listen whatever .

Speaker 3 1:20:03

Evander Holyfield has an ear now .

Speaker 2 1:20:05

He's still missing a chunk .

Speaker 1 1:20:06

Nah , he's got his ear fixed yeah he got his shit fixed . Whether it was like putty or yeah , it's kind of like that .

Speaker 3 1:20:11

Well , I remember he spit out his ear right . That's funny , they put that shit on ice .

Speaker 1 1:20:16

Yeah , and it , yeah , and it's like they just do like recastrated surgery .

Speaker 3 1:20:19

It's cartilage man . What kind of fucking psycho is this ? All this is cartilage , Mike .

Speaker 1 1:20:22

Tyson .

Speaker 2 1:20:24

Jesus .

Speaker 1 1:20:25

Christ man . Hey , look that 100 men versus gorilla . If I can handpick this 100 , mike Tyson's at the front line . Mike Tyson , bro . Mike Tyson's in the front of life All fucking day . I got five that I roll around .

Speaker 2 1:20:35

Who started that madness ? I ? I have no clue .

Speaker 1 1:20:37

I don't know , but there's a girl at five .

Speaker 2 1:20:42

Do me a favor . What I'm asking is find out how much a lion weighs compared to a gorilla , and I got something to tell you .

Speaker 3 1:20:48

Okay , I'm making it up . So you're going 100 lions to one gorilla . No , no , no , no , no , no I just want to see the weight difference .

Speaker 1 1:20:53

So this girl ? She said there's no way a gorilla beats 100 grown men . I said after he rips the first five in half , 50 are leaving 100% , like the first time a gorilla grabs a dude in half and says thanks , I don't know me if I'm part of this 100 , see you later .

Speaker 3 1:21:10

All right . So a lion male weighs 420 pounds . A eastern gorilla weighs 450 pounds .

Speaker 2 1:21:20

Really , I thought that would be a little more of a difference .

Speaker 1 1:21:22

Okay , check this out . Is it a silverback gorilla that we're talking about ?

Speaker 3 1:21:25

This only gave me western gorilla and eastern gorilla . Western gorilla weighs 350 . Eastern gorilla weighs 450 .

Speaker 1 1:21:34

And a male lion weighs Even in the gorilla world . The east coast is better than the west coast . You know what I mean . You know what I mean . The west coast of the lightning ass ? Yeah , west coast sucks .

Speaker 2 1:21:45

I saw this video of five and I mean , like bodybuilders , yeah , playing tug of war .

Speaker 3 1:21:50

What kind of porn are you watching ?

Speaker 2 1:21:51

bro playing tug of war with a lion , a female lion she was so female lions only weigh 280 but they could not budge . It was five of these dudes tug of war , and the lion was not moving . And these dudes were struggling , were they ?

Speaker 1 1:22:09

from the west coast Probably .

Speaker 2 1:22:12

Bro listen , a silverback gorilla .

Speaker 3 1:22:15

There's no way I believe that man . Look it up , it's real .

Speaker 1 1:22:21

It's five grown men trying to play pull a lion like a war ?

Speaker 2 1:22:25

yeah , but yeah , that is not moving . They used to do that here at bush garden . It's just not going anywhere with the tigers .

Speaker 3 1:22:30

They had a rope and it's a little opening so let me put it this way , man , it's not about how much the lion weighs it's about how much force it could generate , because somebody can weigh 230 pounds but lift 500 .

Speaker 2 1:22:42

Right , so the gorilla is probably three times as strong as a fucking lion . It's going to fuck up , it's going to take a leap . So what are you saying ? Are you saying a gorilla cannot move ?

Speaker 3 1:22:50

No 100% .

Speaker 2 1:22:51

the gorilla wins 100% .

Speaker 1 1:22:53

Against a lion , against a lion . And these 100 grown men .

Speaker 2 1:22:58

Depends , depends , depends , depends , depends .

Speaker 3 1:23:02

I don't know , I think you put 100 grown men on a gorilla . A gorilla is not going to win Bro .

Speaker 2 1:23:07

There's no fucking way . The mental factor , like I said , kick it in the dick , bro . You got to get close enough to do that , bro , and let me see your arms .

Speaker 1 1:23:17

You see how gorilla's arms how long they are . It doesn't matter .

Speaker 3 1:23:19

It's going to knock down the first five , but then the next 95 ?

Speaker 1 1:23:23

It's going to rip at least five and a half .

Speaker 4 1:23:26

All right .

Speaker 1 1:23:26

Are you part of the 100 ? Are you going to sit there and part of the 100 ? Are ?

Speaker 3 1:23:29

you telling me that it's only got two arms and two legs ? Yeah , Okay . How is it going to tear up five people right from ?

Speaker 2 1:23:36

the jump .

Speaker 3 1:23:36

What it ? What it's got ? A imagine a circle of 100 men and one gorilla in the middle . It can't , it can't defend its back .

Speaker 2 1:23:47

It's an arm . It can't defend its back .

Speaker 3 1:23:48

I think , boom , I think you're trying to punch a wall at that point yeah , the first couple are fucked , but I'm saying no , I'm saying that gorilla is gonna be jack bro yeah , I'm sure you're saying over time , over time .

Speaker 1 1:24:00

Okay , you're going to tire him out .

Speaker 3 1:24:02

Is that what ? It ? Is All right . Have you ever sat in a stadium ?

Speaker 2 1:24:05

Yes .

Speaker 3 1:24:05

All right . And have you ever sat in the middle of , say , the 100 section ? Okay , all right , there's 100 people around you . You're telling me , if all 100 people and you're a gorilla , you'd be able to fight them off from the back , the side , the corners , all that shit .

Speaker 2 1:24:22

I don't think we'll be able to do enough damage to really piss them off . You choke them out , bro .

Speaker 1 1:24:26

Hold on hold , on , hold on what stadium and what country am I in Europe ?

Speaker 2 1:24:31

Fucking Russians , bro Russia , those dudes fucking wrestled bears , bears .

Speaker 1 1:24:35

I just fucking grizzly bears . You said anywhere but Russia , I'd have been like eh , russia is probably the best one .

Speaker 3 1:24:42

Those are some bad dudes around here , and they fuck with grizzly bears .

Speaker 1 1:24:45

I don't know , that's wild , that's wild business and the bears are chilling which is weird .

Speaker 2 1:24:50

I'd rather swim with a shark than be anywhere near a bear .

Speaker 3 1:24:53

Yeah , you know , sharks aren't naturally aggressive , right yeah ?

Speaker 1 1:24:56

Maybe it's just because I'm black . No , no what ? No , I don't want to get into it with a shark .

Speaker 3 1:25:03

Sharks can only swim forward . Bears got claws .

Speaker 1 1:25:05

That's fine Ready . My thought process is I am faster on land than I am in the water .

Speaker 4 1:25:12

You know how fast bears can run .

Speaker 1 1:25:13

That's cool . I'm black , me and swimming don't go together . Okay , like I'm a doggy paddle for my fucking shark bitch . Please , no , please , no .

Speaker 2 1:25:22

There's no swimming away from a shark man .

Speaker 1 1:25:23

That's what I'm saying .

Speaker 3 1:25:24

Yeah , no but all you have to do is move . Not a great white , you know , I wouldn't want to be in the water with a great white , not even a bull shark , will fuck you up . A tiger shark will fuck you up too . I so bears run 30 miles an hour . You got that .

Speaker 1 1:25:41

I'm getting 26 , Emi that adrenaline .

Speaker 2 1:25:44

Yeah , you're fucking .

Speaker 1 1:25:44

You tear everything when you stop , his heart's going to go . Are you ready ? He's going to have to catch me on the shaker , baby boy .

Speaker 3 1:25:50

You know , they're claws , bro . They're like as big as my fingers .

Speaker 2 1:25:55

I don't think to catch me , they can catch a fucking moose . That can catch you .

Speaker 1 1:25:59

But a moose ain't going to put juke moose together .

Speaker 2 1:26:01

A moose is faster than you , my guy , all it's going to do is do this .

Speaker 1 1:26:04

That's cool , swipe . Where did he catch me ? Am I out and about ?

Speaker 2 1:26:16

Because , if I've got my usual on me , I got to hide . You're walking .

Speaker 3 1:26:18

No , that's it .

Speaker 2 1:26:19

I'm in the wild .

Speaker 1 1:26:20

And there's a bunch of trees , I'm good . You can't even climb the trees , you're fucked . No , I'm not . I got a hot 16 reeds room to back the fuck up you better not miss .

Speaker 2 1:26:28

I'm not going to miss you better not miss .

Speaker 3 1:26:39

That's a big ass target You're going to juke out eight and a half feet ?

Speaker 2 1:26:43

Absolutely , Bro . If it gets that close for you to juke , it's a wrap . Sorry .

Speaker 3 1:26:47

I think you're fucked , man . I think you're better off in the water , say scuba diving Right , like where you have oxygen , Okay and not swimming at the surface . At the surface , you're fucked .

Speaker 1 1:26:58

I was going to say , I was going to talk about that at the surface .

Speaker 2 1:27:00

So I'll give you a little lesson here . This is part of what I so a shark if a shark wants you , there's not a fucking thing you can do . Spear guy Okay , that's fair , that's fair , okay .

Speaker 3 1:27:13

So I mean , what did they do in John O's ? They shot up oxygen cans in its mouth and then shot it .

Speaker 2 1:27:19

No , no he shoved it in his mouth and then shot it . Yeah , the shark broke through fucking as a window in the boat as it was sinking after eating a dude . So there is something you could do ? No , but you can take off your tank and give it to him . That's fucking nuts , absolutely .

Speaker 3 1:27:35

I'm giving him what it is . Get the hell out of here , saw it ?

Speaker 1 1:27:37

in a movie .

Speaker 3 1:27:38

Saw it in a movie . It's got to be real . Talk to the fish .

Speaker 1 1:27:40

Yeah , no , talk to the fish , not that black , no man , no , no .

Speaker 2 1:27:45

So if you're swimming in the water by the way we're designed when we swim we sound like a wounded fish . Oh , a hundred percent . Every time you do a little splash , that's what a wounded fish sounds like . So the shark is like oh shit , oh , that's why it wants me , among other things . But like , for a shark to actually predate you or any other humans , it has to be incredibly hungry and it has to have been successful at hunting or killing another person in the past most of the time .

Speaker 2 1:28:15

Like you see on the on the news , it's like accidental bites and they're usually black tips that right , but one bike is in the wrong place . You're fucked , you're bleeding out and the water doesn't let you coagulate just as fast .

Speaker 2 1:28:27

No , your fucking hemorrhoid , your in your thigh which is oh , no

Wild Animal Hypotheticals

Speaker 2 1:28:31

, no , I want that , no , the fun story is when you go scuba diving , we usually tell you to wear gloves or wear a suit that's sort of you're so don't wear all black , because your fingers when you're swimming around look like squids oh , so you have to wear gloves also you should wear gloves or wear a bodysuit that changes the color a little bit . So you're not . So this is not the brightest part sticking out oh , okay no jewelry , nothing shiny , because that's the .

Speaker 2 1:28:54

The sun hits the side of a fish , the scales will shimmer and then hey , oh shit , food . So , and if you see somebody fishing on the on the beach , try not to be near there .

Speaker 3 1:29:05

It's funny that you say that , because I went to Fort DeSoto . There was this guy fishing . I hate that and , um , we try to . It was like me and my family . We try to like get as far away as possible , but at that point it's too . We were , uh , in the shallows , probably , like you know , thigh deep , and I see a black tip just swimming straight towards people and I screamed to them shark , shark , shark . They think I'm joking around . I was like this , florida , it's not a joke yeah , it's not a fucking joke .

Speaker 3 1:29:33

And they're like and then I was like turn around and it's going straight to him and then it just beelines . As soon as he turned around , yeah , it was like oh , oh , fuck bro . I thought you were joking . I'm like absolutely not . I don't fuck around like that . Not like that , bro . Yeah .

Speaker 1 1:29:47

That's good , and the water's clear in Fort DeSoto .

Speaker 3 1:29:49

It's really nice , depending on the time of year .

Speaker 2 1:29:51

Man and the whole myth that people say where there's dolphins and there's a dolphin , you're guaranteed to see a shark . Are you sure why ?

Speaker 1 1:30:01

Yeah , why so okay ?

Speaker 3 1:30:03

I thought sharks were afraid of dolphins . That's how I was taught .

Speaker 2 1:30:08

Dolphins are Okay . So dolphins as mammals , they have a little bit of hierarchy . When they swim , they have a pod , they communicate hey shark is over here . So they stick together and the shark doesn't fuck with them , because there's more than one . A shark normally wants to protect his gills and his eyes , so when he bites , rolls his eye back and there's a little membrane that covers his eye to protect himself . Dolphins can swim under . They're more agile . A shark is not going to hunt a dolphin for food , unless it's a bigger shark , like a tiger or a great white .

Speaker 3 1:30:36

Will it still attack a dolphin ?

Speaker 2 1:30:38

It will . I does videos of dolphins getting destroyed by fucking great whites Right . Well , great whites are big man Right , but the thing is , they , like great white , would rather go after a seal than you , me or a dolphin .

Speaker 3 1:30:49

So I thought sharks only go after blubber Fat .

Speaker 2 1:30:51

Not all sharks , only cold water sharks . Oh yeah , so the great white needs the blubber for energy because he's always on the move . He goes further out . You're not going to see cape seals in florida , so what do they eat ?

Speaker 3 1:31:05

reef fish like you know manatees not really , I know , isn't that wild , not really . I've been to eggmonkey , uh , on my boat and I've anchored up and I've seen manatees at eggmonkey and I'm like how the fuck did you go from a river all the way to the center of tampa bay ?

Speaker 1 1:31:20

yeah , not get eaten by a shark yep I can't tell you because manatees are like the short bus .

Speaker 3 1:31:27

Yeah , but they're fat as , and they're slow as far and they're slow as they're like the short bus . They're like the deep to these , oh yes , those are sharks like I ain't eating that retarded blubber . That's how you get .

Speaker 1 1:31:36

That's how you catch retardation , oh my god .

Speaker 2 1:31:39

But hey , but worse than a shark , worse than a bear , worse than a gorilla . Crocs , bro , that is my unrational fear . Crocs , that thing , bro . Listen , if you go into the ocean and it's a a school of sharks , which is rare you jump in the middle of them . They scatter , they will scatter , they will come back , but you have a chance to get out of there , you're talking about saltwater crocs Right . You fucking get anywhere near the water . That mouth , it sees you .

Speaker 3 1:32:05

It's hunting you , the second it sees you , did you see that video out of Africa ? It was like Zimbabwe . These three canoers or kayakers were going down the river . Yes , and the croc literally came out , grabbed the guy in the middle , took him down , never to be seen again .

Speaker 2 1:32:21

Nope , All you saw was a backpack . Bro listen , it's wild man . Crocodiles are not alligators .

Speaker 4 1:32:26

Alligators are for the most part they're docile a little bit They'll still attack you but a crocodile .

Speaker 1 1:32:32

But you gotta catch them during mating season or when you're hungry . Yeah , in the wrong spot . Which ?

Speaker 3 1:32:36

right now it's alligator mating season . Crocs , doesn't matter what fucking time of the year you're there , you're getting fucked , your food , your food , yeah , your food .

Speaker 2 1:32:44

That is the one animal that has not need to evolve in millions of years . These fuckers are so good that they don't have to . Nature's like nah bro , you're too OP , you're good . Are you kidding me ? What's OP ?

Speaker 1 1:32:55

Overpowered . Oh See , it's like Goku . You know what I mean . He's OP .

Speaker 4 1:33:01

Yeah .

Speaker 2 1:33:02

Like it just busted and then like another thing . So fucking sharks . Now we're getting a little crazy here . Sharks have this thing that as they get older they don't lose , I guess , mental capacities , and they're now prone for cancer like us . They don't have degeneration .

Speaker 3 1:33:18

If they do , it's very , very slow . They made a whole movie about it .

Speaker 1 1:33:21

It's called Deep Blue Sea , oh my God , and the black guy made it .

Speaker 3 1:33:25

LL Cool J , the black guy made it .

Speaker 1 1:33:27

Oh yeah , that's right .

Speaker 2 1:33:27

And the bird LL Cool J . Oh , the fucking bird .

Speaker 1 1:33:30

And the bird too . No , the bird didn't make it . I repeat to the- . No , we had that sometimes , but you know , must have been an East Coast bird .

Speaker 3 1:33:41

No , it must have been a West Coast bird Black guys .

Speaker 2 1:33:46

But the first one did not make it , Whoa yeah , yeah , samuel L Jackson , See , I have this speech .

Speaker 3 1:33:51

You survived this ice snow and sunshine , and then all of a sudden you just see .

Speaker 1 1:33:56

Well , you know they had to kill Samuel L Jackson . They had to kill one black guy . You got to kill one . You can't have both of them .

Speaker 3 1:34:01

You can't have both of them .

Speaker 1 1:34:02

But , you kill the legend and leave the other guy . You kill the dark skin . Let the light skin survive . Oh , it goes over better with white people , jesus Christ .

Speaker 3 1:34:13

I can't tell if you're being serious or not . Bro , he's not , I mean maybe .

Speaker 2 1:34:17

I don't know , we'll never know , we'll never know .

Speaker 1 1:34:19

Fucking the SAG people we know .

Speaker 2 1:34:22

We fucking know . We know what you're doing . So , tristan , obviously Is that what you always give him shit .

Speaker 1 1:34:27

That's because he's light-skinned . Oh my God . I give all light-skinned some bullshit . We're the only race that's racist within our race .

Speaker 3 1:34:35

And outside of your race too . I've been called spick a million times by you . Yeah , probably .

Speaker 1 1:34:45

I don't care . I call the lady at the little agent spot ling ling , I don't care . Speaking of which , I do my toes later .

Speaker 3 1:34:56

Pedicures are mandatory . Wait a second . Did we just hear this correctly ?

Speaker 1 1:35:01

you get your toes done yeah , we get our pedicure absolutely mandatory I'm on my feet .

Speaker 2 1:35:05

I've heard other . I've heard of other dudes doing like I didn't start doing it .

Speaker 1 1:35:08

Until I got to uh nebraska , I didn't realize how big taking care of your feet was as an athlete them corn fed boys out there motherfucking they are doing pedicures every and weeks and manicures , no manicure , not even getting your nails done , like that . It's just more or less for the massage aspect of it and just kind of making sure , scrape off the dead skin , scrape off the dead skin and all that bullshit .

Speaker 3 1:35:31

I'm not going to lie . I've had a pedicure before and I'm too ticklish for it to ever happen again , I will kick the little Asian lady .

Speaker 1 1:35:40

She's speaking , you know , whatever wait , we'll have to come back to these pedicures and we'll find out who the best pedicure person is in Tampa when we get back Tampa area .

Speaker 3 1:35:49

We appreciate you the Ling Ling why ?

Speaker 1 1:35:53

why I can't say it nothing . Why yeah , why not why ?

Speaker 4 1:35:57

I can't say it .

Speaker 1 1:35:58

Ling Ling , isn't that a little ? Look first off our current president , the original Ryan . His whole slogan was grab her by the pussy . Yeah , if I call somebody Ling Ling , I feel like I'm okay .

Speaker 3 1:36:07

I'm pretty sure , hey , freedom of speech that part .

Speaker 2 1:36:10

Well , I mean yeah , yeah , yeah , Accurate accurate Closer closer .

Speaker 3 1:36:18

There we go , but lower .

Speaker 1 1:36:20

There you go , right up under the nipple .

Speaker 3 1:36:21

Yeah , right under the nipple , Right up on that nipple , right under the nip .

Speaker 2 1:36:24

Yeah , dude , I think I want to .

Speaker 3 1:36:26

Why does that make you uncomfortable , when he says Ling Ling ? I'm just wondering .

Speaker 2 1:36:30

Oh , it doesn't . I thought it was like just incendiary .

Speaker 1 1:36:36

Oh see , I's cool , it happens I am starting a fire . Rob Markman , Ling Ling , Rob Markman . Every time , Rob Markman Ying Yang , Rob Markman , Ying Yang and his thang Rob Markman Shake it like a zombie . Rob Markman , I'm trying to tell you , rob Markman .

Speaker 3 1:36:46

I mean , let's put it this way , if two black guys could be called the Ying Yang twins , the Asian community loves us .

Speaker 1 1:36:55

Rob Markman , ling Ling , all the orange chicken you can make . They do make some pretty .

Speaker 3 1:36:59

What about bourbon chicken , man ? First off , bourbon chicken is the best At West Shore Mall Spare ribs At West Shore Mall .

Speaker 1 1:37:05

there's Bourbon Street . The Asian lady there I can't call her Lainey because I love her and she's been doing my food since I was 18 . When I walk up , she knows exactly what I want , how , and just wraps it up before I even get to the line . What is it ? Let me get the bourbon chicken , white rice , double meat , extra sauce .

Speaker 2 1:37:24

There we motherfucking .

Speaker 3 1:37:25

go . That's a fucking regular right there , baby Bourbon chicken dog , it's a ride . That's pure protein .

Speaker 2 1:37:29

You get your carbs .

Speaker 3 1:37:30

I'm assuming you're doing this after a workout After .

Speaker 1 1:37:32

Yeah , yeah .

Speaker 2 1:37:40

Like after like spare ribs , spare ribs , orange chicken , shrimp , fried rice with a little bit of soy sauce .

Speaker 3 1:37:46

See , I can't , I can't trust any kind of seafood that comes out of one of those fast food Chinese places because I'm like thinking to myself where did you get this ?

Speaker 1 1:37:55

Pretty much .

Speaker 3 1:37:56

Seafood .

Speaker 2 1:37:57

I mean shrimp .

Speaker 1 1:38:01

You know what a shrimp yeah , but you know seafood comes it like goes bad quickly , yeah , very fast .

Speaker 3 1:38:04

Chicken takes a little bit of time . Beef , you know , you can fucking leave that shit out for a week . You're good , I see what you're saying well , fuck then .

Speaker 2 1:38:10

Then don't go to chipotle bro , just no , chipotle is awesome yeah , and then you blow it out like two minutes later oh , I mean , yeah , jesus christ , it does not fail not fail .

Speaker 3 1:38:20

It's what you call a gut cleaner . That's what I'm trying to tell you .

Speaker 1 1:38:22

I'm trying to get everything up out of there . Taco Bell , one way or the other it's coming , oh well .

Speaker 3 1:38:27

Taco Bell , bro , that's inmate food . Bro , that's inmate food . Yeah , I mean , taco Bell is fucking- .

Speaker 1 1:38:32

You go for long enough .

Speaker 3 1:38:33

Taco Bell would be a fucking If you're drunk and else , oh yeah , you get them chalupas with nacho instead of .

Speaker 3 1:38:41

I don't know if you guys ever done this Instead of the Supreme , you get nacho cheese and it's different , yeah , different , because I used to work when I was a kid at Taco Bell KFC right here on Ehrlich Road , ok , and I was like , why don't we offer nacho cheese in the chalupa instead of sour cream ? And I was making those for myself during lunch and I was like , damn , this is fucking good . So then the guy fucking told the manager and then they started offering it .

Speaker 2 1:39:08

They should have given you credit for this , just some royalties or something .

Speaker 3 1:39:11

Fuck , I was like fucking 16 years old man . If you come up with a , recipe I was getting free Taco Bell .

Speaker 2 1:39:17

I was happy 16 being a fat kid getting all you want . Yeah , man .

Speaker 3 1:39:22

Damn . You just called me fat .

Speaker 1 1:39:23

Look , I'm assuming you were bigger at 16? .

Speaker 3 1:39:26

No , bro , I was skinnier .

Speaker 1 1:39:27

You were skinny at 16? . Yeah , at Taco Bell . Yeah , how I'd be a fat kid at Taco Bell , bro , I didn't gain weight until I got older .

Speaker 3 1:39:36

Yeah , fucking tell , fucking tell me about it . Yeah , I'm assuming it's the same for both of y'all .

Speaker 1 1:39:40

Oh yeah , bro , father Time is undefeated , undefeated .

Speaker 2 1:39:44

You can slow him down a little bit bro . Yeah but fuck that bill comes to do . You got to pay it , bro .

Speaker 3 1:39:49

Got to pay it I was that kid that could eat anything ?

Speaker 1 1:39:52

And then my tablets are slowing down a little bit .

Speaker 3 1:39:54

And never gain weight .

Speaker 2 1:40:03

I so knowing what I know now , and if I could tell my younger self to not do certain things by bitcoin .

Speaker 3 1:40:06

That too , fuck . Definitely buy bitcoin . Buy apple , buy tesla , buy uh google , buy all of it , buy all of it and invest heavy .

Speaker 2 1:40:10

At first it's gonna seem crazy , but trust me it's gonna pay off and nvidia and oh yeah , of course , but no , I will

Speaker 2 1:40:15

tell him like and I was just telling him before we started like the resources that are available for like healing , getting better recovery , like sports injuries , all that , it's fucking utterly yeah . I wish

Athlete Recovery and Food Culture

Speaker 2 1:40:31

I had that back then , Cause the risks that I took , the things that I did , I don't think I would have done it , knowing that I hey , I can heal faster if I just take a couple of days off . Like like what exactly ?

Speaker 3 1:40:41

In the heal faster if I just take a couple days off like , like what exactly in ?

Speaker 2 1:40:43

the you know from running about like cold punches and shit . No , because that's been around for a while . That's a while , like , but you're talking about red light therapy and all that shit on your , on your muscles , and all that crap . I don't know what that is so .

Speaker 1 1:40:51

It's like red uv rays to kind of help your muscle recovery and stuff like that . It speeds up the healing process of your torn muscles , correct ?

Speaker 2 1:40:58

yeah , yeah that the compression , not the cryo chambers , but the one . It's like a little tube you sit in for like an hour or so . It's pure oxygen .

Speaker 1 1:41:06

It helps you recover a lot faster .

Speaker 3 1:41:09

The hyperbaric chambers that right there , you have those here .

Speaker 1 1:41:12

Yeah , and like just stuff like that over the years .

Speaker 2 1:41:18

And also stretching bro , like it's so underrated man look here , I didn't stretch , that was 30 .

Speaker 3 1:41:23

Yeah , lies , swear even when you're playing football , that's like outside of , like the team stretching yeah , no , I live by .

Speaker 1 1:41:31

I used to like I literally walk on the field and go like even playing arena . I think my first game I was eating a cheeseburger from the stands walking out like right before getting on the field .

Speaker 2 1:41:44

Hell , no Well , at least it's not during the game . Fucking Mark Sanchez , bro . I was hungry bro .

Speaker 3 1:41:49

An actual burger bro .

Speaker 1 1:41:50

It was a steak burger . I needed to know . Well , that's protein right there .

Speaker 2 1:41:54

That's energy as you were running around . I think you're just swirling in your gut bro .

Speaker 1 1:41:57

Oof , but I needed to know what it tastes like . Was it steak and shake , no , but it was like okay , think steak and shake , but that bit patty's like this , it's a shake shack , fucking T-bone . Yeah , but I mean it's like a legit medium like almost like a medium well burger , but it's a steak burger . That bitch was different . It just hit different and you're from the Midwest , so it's real .

Speaker 3 1:42:23

Fresh off the farm dog Fresh off the fucking farm .

Speaker 1 1:42:25

Grass fed , grass fed , grass fed , like I saw this cow yesterday . Now I'm eating it . Now I'm eating it .

Speaker 2 1:42:32

Fuck that , Bro . This moo moo tastes pretty good .

Speaker 1 1:42:34

Look , I can hold you the best steaks , burgers , jerky . Nebraska it's got to be right . It was definitely Nebraska dog . We had deer jerky . I didn't know it was a thing . It is a thing , deer jerky is good . I did not know , I didn't know . Deer jerky , venison , venison , venison , and then we had elk meat .

Speaker 2 1:42:56

I haven't tried elk yet .

Speaker 4 1:42:58

I tried buffalo . That would be really good . No , not buffalo .

Speaker 2 1:43:00

Is it buffalo or bison ? Bison , there you go Bison's .

Speaker 1 1:43:05

Good too , bison's , really good yeah , you know they got a meat market .

Speaker 3 1:43:08

It's not called meat market , it's called Seminole Heights Meat Market .

Speaker 1 1:43:12

Right down the slide .

Speaker 3 1:43:13

Not yeah .

Speaker 1 1:43:14

Yeah .

Speaker 3 1:43:16

It's not . It's a butcher , not the restaurant .

Speaker 1 1:43:17

No , I know what you're talking about . Yeah , yeah .

Speaker 3 1:43:19

And they sell all that shit . They sell all of it . They even sell boa . What , yeah , snake boa , what the fuck ? Alligator , you can eat that . Yeah , I mean I'm sure you can eat it , but like , yeah , I mean Gator .

Speaker 2 1:43:32

I tried it , bro . I love gator bites um . Are you lately bro ? Also walk-ons has them too . I don't think I've tried on a walk-on that's the the sports bar right yeah , yeah , you know who owns it right oh drew breeze . What breezy , breezy , fuck . I'm never going there again . Why ? I'm just kidding , I was like you're a liar .

Speaker 3 1:43:55

Hey , you know , you know I , as a bucks fan , I get it . You hate the saints , but I mean , bro , what drew breeze did ? What drew breeze did .

Speaker 1 1:43:59

I don't hate him and remember he competed as a Bucs fan , I get it . You hate the Saints , but I mean , bro , what Drew Brees did , what Drew Brees did .

Speaker 4 1:44:02

You can't hate Drew Brees . I don't hate him .

Speaker 1 1:44:04

And remember he competed against Tom Brady man , but here's my thing , and he won . That era of quarterbacks is gone . This era is starting to become this generation's version of that . Because you have a Pat Mahomes , a Josh Allen , you've got a Lamar you've got Jaden Hurts .

Speaker 2 1:44:24

I think it's a different era all together . Jaden .

Speaker 1 1:44:26

Daniels Jaden Daniels now coming up , and then Cam Ward .

Speaker 3 1:44:31

Cam Ward Can we even say his name , yet he hasn't played yet .

Speaker 1 1:44:34

We haven't played yet , but I'll put him in the conversation . The U , the U , miami . Okay , yeah , you know he's a Miami boy . He went first before Shadur , which makes sense because Miami kids always go early . But hey , you forgot this one . What is that ? Cuba just kidding ? But I say this that generation was pure stand in a pocket . Glenn Sinners , this generation is such a different dynamic Because you're now allowed to use your athleticism .

Speaker 2 1:45:08

Well , you could do it too back then . But that wasn't the motto , because when I was- being .

Speaker 4 1:45:13

But he was one of them and they gave him shit for it .

Speaker 2 1:45:17

Well , he made his money on that . That's why he got his Nike deals and all this other shit .

Speaker 3 1:45:20

Dante Culpepper did it .

Speaker 2 1:45:22

He wasn't a runner .

Speaker 3 1:45:24

I mean he ran , he was , he kind of started it .

Speaker 2 1:45:26

Like I think back then , like way before Viggen , but it was at Randall Cunningham was one of them , that was .

Speaker 1 1:45:31

War .

Speaker 2 1:45:31

Moon War , moon Valid .

Speaker 1 1:45:38

Hey , get you a fall guy Got to , but even then for them .

Speaker 3 1:45:42

Before that . I mean , you probably can't name anybody else . You can't really , Not really .

Speaker 1 1:45:46

Not really .

Speaker 3 1:45:47

So it was all black quarterbacks Revolutionizing the game . Right , but I feel like Can't name one running white quarterback .

Speaker 2 1:45:54

Yeah , jeff Garcia , john Montana , Not John Montana . The other one , steve Young , steve Young , yeah .

Speaker 4 1:46:00

Wait Doug .

Speaker 2 1:46:01

Flutie , yeah , the fucking midget .

Speaker 1 1:46:04

Well , he had to run because he couldn't see anything that's you can't see over 6'9" . You could .

Speaker 2 1:46:11

I don't even think he was 6'4" , right ? No , he's like 5'9" , 5'8" , some shit . Yeah , he's 5'8" . He can run , though . He's like a flea back there .

Speaker 1 1:46:18

That's Johnny Manziel . Same concept Was Johnny Manziel 5'10" .

Speaker 2 1:46:22

5'10" he's my height , doug Flutie , 5'10" . Oh shit , I just called myself a midget , hey look .

Speaker 1 1:46:27

No , because Doug Flutie is listed at 5'10" . I don't think he's actually 5'11" . You're not 5'11" .

Speaker 2 1:46:31

Definitely not Cleat , tall maybe no 5'9" On my best day .

Speaker 3 1:46:44

Damn so you're saying he could be taller or shorter . He could be shorter Because they always list you a couple inches taller , so he could be like 5'9" , 5'8" 5'8" , 5'9" probably .

Speaker 2 1:46:53

So it probably is cleat height like you said , Cleat height with the long spikes yeah , back then when those are , the screw on like you're like a good three inches , I'm a good six foot with them , jeez no , no , but back then I what was the whole thing that was gonna say is like , back then we were taught to sit in the pocket , sit in the pocket , sit in the pocket , deliver , step up , deliver , step up , deliver now it's like one read two read another go run , yeah , just run and in a ways's good , because you can probably be a little more aggressive .

Speaker 2 1:47:24

You're more dangerous , you're more dangerous , but also you can protect yourself a little better because you're not solely relying on your left guard . Make sure your blind spot's not there .

Speaker 1 1:47:30

Well , on top of that , now you're the one in charge of how you get hit . That's why I think the running quarterback is such a good model now , because there's no blindside hits . I'm not standing tall yeah where you've got a free shot at my knee . You've got a free shot at my back , like you know what I mean . Like now , if I'm running I can see you coming . I can slide , get out of bounds , do what I gotta do .

Speaker 2 1:47:52

But that's just my opinion on the mobile quarterbacks and I think the nfl now is geared towards that , because now the one office is to be the forefront . You know what I mean , like scoring touchdowns , points runs , celebration , and it's a business .

Speaker 1 1:48:06

It is a business . What do you guys ?

Speaker 3 1:48:08

think about when you see these quarterbacks fake slide .

Speaker 2 1:48:12

That's dangerous . You're playing a dangerous fucking game , man . Do you think that should be like Kill him ? No , but should it be like ?

Speaker 3 1:48:21

against . Like you should get a flag for that , but how can you ? The thing is , how can you ? Because if you're going to fake , slide , essentially what you're saying the defense is not stopping . Yeah , the defense stops and then you don't , and then you run past him . I mean that's got to be illegal , in my opinion .

Speaker 1 1:48:31

I'm not going to lie to you . That's why I'm a firm believer . Hit him .

Speaker 3 1:48:36

I'll eat the flag he did slide , though , and he got knocked the fuck out .

Speaker 2 1:48:40

So I say don't let up until you see his ass on the ground , and then you can let up . Nope .

Speaker 3 1:48:45

You're talking about split seconds ?

Speaker 2 1:48:47

Yeah , that's Well it's always going to be a split second at that level .

Speaker 1 1:48:49

Yeah , me personally . When I see a quarterback look like they're going to slide , I'm throwing my body right over you . That way you can sort of go over him again . Yeah , go over him , and if he does try to do some dumb shit , I'm already there .

Speaker 2 1:49:02

Yeah , but it's tricky . I see what you're saying . It's like a , you know .

Speaker 3 1:49:05

Well , tom Brady said it . He was like anybody that's doing that . They need to be penalized because what they're doing is they're using ?

Speaker 1 1:49:10

You're fake giving yourself up . Exactly , you're using the rules to safe , exactly . Well , neil , before we go , before we go , what are the plans for the flag football season ? This year , you got playoffs . This week , you got playoffs tomorrow .

Speaker 2 1:49:26

No , I don't have to play . We got two weeks off , man , because of Memorial Day .

Speaker 1 1:49:29

Oh , okay , I'm not backing them .

Speaker 2 1:49:30

We don't do anything until June , okay .

Speaker 1 1:49:33

Are we looking for a chip this year ? 100% Trying to win the whole thing . Man , trying to win the whole thing this year , will we see your team in Worlds 2026 ? This current roster 100% oh dang , is there a roster spot available for you there ?

Speaker 2 1:49:43

are two roster spots available .

Speaker 1 1:49:45

Okay , so it sounds like all you boys on the team , so there's only one roster spot available there it is .

Speaker 2 1:49:48

Tell them again . I'm on for this year .

Speaker 1 1:49:51

Thanks guys . This has been Max .