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Its All-Star weekend!!  Welcome to a special episode of The Mound Visit podcast.  In this episode I'm joined by 3 special guests that I have known for over 30(gulp) years. These guys have forgotten more about baseball than I know and, since Its the 30 year anniversary of the last time the All-Star game was in Philadelphia, I decided to have them pick their top fantasy All-Star team of the past 30 years. They all picked one player from 1996-2026 to complete their lineups. 9 position players and one starting pitcher with a few surprises at the end. I can't tell you how much fun it was watching them work through this (while also talk a bunch of shit to each other). We wanted to get the listeners involved so there will be a link in the description and on social media sites where you can vote who you think has the top line-up. The winner gets a prize ( I think its a pair of used Dom Brown batting gloves or replica Vance Worley glasses or beer).  Anywho, enjoy the pod its a good one.  Voting ends 4pm, enjoy the pod and enjoy All-Star weekend!  Oh I forgot!  While I had the guys here, we had to do 15 mins on the Phillies current season at the end of the pod. As always go Phillies.    

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I kid it very much. That's our friend. Take theater. That's I offer him. So yeah.

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Welcome to DJS Podcast Network, MLB 30-year All-Star Edition. I'm your co-host, Big D. I'm sitting here with my guys, some of my the brightest baseball minds that I know. At least that's what I tell them to their face.

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Uh-oh.

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To my left, Elvin. Say what's up to him, people, Elvin. Hello, everyone. What's going on? Up top. He goes by several names. I'm not going to call him the one everybody else calls him. I'm going to keep it corporate on here and call him Angel. Say what's up to the people, Angel.

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What's up? What's up? What's going on? Thank you for the invite. I'm excited to be here.

SPEAKER_00

No problem. An official member of the Mound Visit to my right. We call him OA. I'm calling what you want. Orlando, say what's up to the people.

SPEAKER_02

Yo, yo, yo, what's going on? Glad to be here.

SPEAKER_00

Great to have all you guys here. Uh, this was a topic that I was thinking about for a while, and I had this topic with you three guys in mind. So, what is it? So the last time that Phillies hosted the All-Star Game was 1996. Correct me if I'm wrong, the vet was still around, right?

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Yep.

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So it's been 30 years since then. And uh 2026, they are hosting the MLB All-Star Game. So I thought it would be a great idea to get my guys together and pick the great, their greatest all-star teams of the past 30 years. Uh, the guy who's on that team has to have been an all-star from 1996 to 2026, even current all-stars, if you want to pick them. So that's what this is. Uh, we're gonna go in some kind of order so they can pick uh who's up first. I am. Orlando's up first. They already know the rules to it. I'll tell you people out there, the only rule that we had was other than that person had to have played between 1996 and 2026, if you pick Joey Otani, he has to be either a pitcher or a hitter. Those are the only rules. Let's get started, fellas. So my right OA, you have the first pick. Oh boy, the pressure. Who is your first pick in the DJS podcast 30-year MLB All-Star draft?

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All right, so my first pick is between two players and not who you think, but my first pick is gonna be the center fielder, Ken Griffey Jr.

SPEAKER_00

Whoa! The kid. Um, obviously that was obvious. I thought he would be a first rounder as well. Um, great pick, Orlando. Next up, who we got? Angel. Number two, Angel King. What's going on, man?

SPEAKER_03

How's it going? How's it going?

SPEAKER_00

Who you got with your number one pick in the first round?

SPEAKER_03

I'm gonna start with the number one pick, the most feared hitter. It's gotta be in baseball ever. Seven MVPs, 12 silver slugger awards, 14 All-Stars, eight gold gloves, 298 career, 2,900 um hits, 762 home runs. Braun Hayes? And let me tell you this: 688. What is 688? Walks. Intentional walks. Wow. So imagine if he got those ad bats. This guy sounds familiar. I'm gonna give it to you. Barry Bonds. BB! Barry Bonds. AKA. Yeah, he's gonna be playing left field. AKA Balco. Great pick.

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Yeah.

SPEAKER_02

It has never been proven. Yeah, yeah. No. Has Barry Bonds had any played any? Or maybe he played a little bit of center in the in the All-Star Games. I don't know about that. I think it's left left field.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, I think primary, primarily left field. Good pick. Great pick. Last pick in the first round. Mr. Elvin, who you got?

SPEAKER_02

Well, they took my they took Griffey from me, so um Bonds is also up there for me, but not at the top, top. I'm gonna have to go away from the outfield here. And I'm probably gonna go with uh arguably one of the best hitting first basemen ever. Whoa. Aubrey Pujos.

SPEAKER_00

Whoa! AP. Yeah, that was pretty chalk. I mean, each one of those guys, except for one. It's the first ballot Hall of Famer. And honestly, he probably should be. He should be in. Yeah. No, no shock there. So did we discuss we're going to. Yeah. All right. So you back up, you back up the bet.

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Yeah. I think from first base, I'm going to have to probably go up to the middle of the field. And I want to go on my shortstop where he started his career at. Alex Rodriguez. A-Rod! Great pick. You can have him. I'm talking shit already.

SPEAKER_00

That's all right. That's what you're supposed to do. A-Rod. Yeah, you got a lot of home runs in your squad already. Oh, yeah. Well, powerful. Oh, no, no steroids there? No. Uh-uh. No, uh-uh.

SPEAKER_03

No steroid comment there? Can't. No, no steroid comment.

SPEAKER_02

You kidding me? As much as he loves each other, as he loves his. He did. He did it to uh continue his career. There you go. He did it at the end.

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Absolutely.

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He's horrible.

SPEAKER_00

If he would have stayed the course, I don't think he would have needed it. He might not have runs if he had, but you know, people, yeah.

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People have said that once Cow said that he was the best high school player he's ever seen.

SPEAKER_00

I believe it. I most certainly believe it. Yeah, he should he he didn't need it.

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Did not.

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Second pick.

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Okay. Who you got, Mr. Ann Hatter? Well, I'm gonna stay in the same field as Elvin just picked. And I'm gonna go with Mr. Captain. Who's Mr. Captain? 310, 3400 hits, 260 RBIs, five-time goal glove. He leads every category for the Yankees. Derek Jeter.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, saw that coming a mile away. Honestly, he went a little quicker than I thought. But this is your team, not mine. So I agree with you, Derek. I had him a little bit lower on the list, but hey, you might have a method to the madness. You'll find out after uh pick five, because I am gonna throw a caveat out there after pick five that you guys will have. Okay. So uh yeah. Um obviously great pick. So it's on me.

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Orlando, what you got? I'm going second base. The best second baseman ever, Roberto Alamar. Whoa! That's a good pick. That is a good pick.

SPEAKER_00

My first two is nasty. I like I like that. These these squads are pretty good. Pretty good. Pretty good so far. We got a long way to go. Long way to go. Long way to go.

SPEAKER_02

Well, you got the back-to-back. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, it's on you, Mr. Orlando.

SPEAKER_02

Okay. Hold on. Okay. So. Oh man, that's tough. Just one starting pitcher, right?

SPEAKER_00

That's it. All right. As a matter of fact, I was going to ask you guys if you wanted to add another one. It's completely up to you if you want to. Two starters. Nah, I go with one. You good with one? I'm good with one. You good with one? Yeah, yeah. Okay. Make it hard, make it hard. All right. Smoke coming out my man's ears.

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It's between two players. He's about to pick a kicker. But you know what? I'm going to go right field. And I'm going to pick my guy, Tony Gwynn.

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Oh! Oh!

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So when was the last time he played in the All-Star?

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It was after 1996. Yeah, he made the cut. He made the cut. Yeah, he tried to get it. There's another guy that I'm going to get.

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T Gwynn. Just made it. My my favorite player. I don't know. You guys will get this, because you know, Joey and Sammy wouldn't wouldn't get it. You guys remember Fawson Company?

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Yeah.

SPEAKER_00

The Toy Store? So the day they went out of business, they had a ton of starting lineup figures. And I bought them all. There you go. And one day, I come home and my son, who y'all helped fall in love with baseball, opened them up and put them all over the refrigerator. So I have open Tony Gwynn, open Ken Griffey, open. I'm like, what are you doing, man?

SPEAKER_02

That wasn't the plan.

SPEAKER_00

That wasn't the plan. So all right. But it happens. Next up, the bet. Who we got?

SPEAKER_01

Alright. So I'm going to switch up a little bit.

SPEAKER_03

I could get him on the next round. Because I know he's coming back to me. Okay.

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All right.

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But I'm going to go with my third baseman. And I'm going to go with Mr. Iron Man himself. Cal Rickman Jr.

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I think he barely made it.

SPEAKER_03

Didn't he? No, he played.

SPEAKER_02

Remember. He gave up his told him to go to shortstop. Yeah. He was a third base. He wasn't even on my list. He's on the table here.

SPEAKER_00

That would have been like 98, almost 2000, I think, when that was. Somewhere around there.

SPEAKER_03

But he barely made it. Yeah. You're right. 3B. I got him for my third base. It's a great pick. Not a shortstop, because I don't need him for a shortstop. I just scoot him over.

SPEAKER_00

Oh well. Well that's how that's out of your infield. Okay.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah. I got to go to the outfield here because I need my leadoff guy.

SPEAKER_00

Okay.

SPEAKER_02

And my leadoff guy is nasty. This guy's thinking right here. Okay. Well, Ichiro. So somebody's going to come back to me.

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When I was thinking, that's who it was between Ichiro and uh so he's playing right field? Yes. Well, I was going to pick him and then see if I could get Kyle and I switched it around.

SPEAKER_01

Okay. So from there, now this one I'm starting to get a little stuck on. But considering that it might get real thin real fast, I may have to go to second base here. And go a Robbie Cano. Okay. You'd like steroids on your team.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah. Hey, they can play.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, I figured once we got to like round four, that's when shit gets down what you have.

SPEAKER_03

Let me see. Just looking at your squad there, because you're after me. You picked twice already.

SPEAKER_02

Strategy going on. Yeah, okay.

SPEAKER_03

So you got center, second, and right. So you're looking for a center fielder.

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I got a center fielder.

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Oh, I mean left fielder. Yeah. All right, so I already got my left fielder. Okay, so I could save that one.

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Okay.

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So let me go back to the off field. And why not? Let me continue the Yankee theme here and go with Aaron Judd.

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Uh-oh, okay.

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I'm just saying my squad is He's playing where? Right field. They're just gonna hit home runs and home runs, home runs. Just go for it. Just go for it.

SPEAKER_02

Okay, so I have a double pick here. Oh, hold on. You put Kyle Ripkin at third base? Yes. Oh.

SPEAKER_03

Okay. So y'all both already selected a center fielder, right? Yes.

SPEAKER_02

Actually, no. I just picked each role right fielder.

SPEAKER_01

Oh, so you're looking for a center fielder. Yeah. I'm gonna go with my left fielder, and that is Mike Trout. Has he ever played left field? I don't think so.

SPEAKER_03

Is he playing right now? And in the all-star game he never played. Yes, he did. Look it up. All right. I looked it up myself. I looked it up myself.

SPEAKER_00

Outfield is outfield. For me, it was supposed to be they had to play the position. Yeah. But for the all-star game, they're gonna play. Did they say OF? It's just OF.

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No, they say LF.

SPEAKER_03

Did they in the All-Star game? Yes. Look it up. He said he paid primarily center field. That's why it is. When did he come in?

SPEAKER_01

When did he um I don't think he could come into the league? When was that?

SPEAKER_00

I kind of do remember that.

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Not in the All-Star game.

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Okay.

SPEAKER_00

I know I seen him out there, but maybe not in the All-Star game.

SPEAKER_02

We could probably just Google where's our researcher at?

SPEAKER_00

She just left. We got time. Go ahead. Do the research.

SPEAKER_03

Well, I did look it up, and that's why I only had him for center field.

SPEAKER_00

Oh.

SPEAKER_03

I didn't have him for left field because it indicated that he only played primarily in the all-star positions.

SPEAKER_00

So I'll leave it up to you guys. If you guys want to do it that way, if you want to do it just OF, or if you want to say what the position they played, then well, I kind of want to listen to position.

SPEAKER_02

I kind of went with the flow, what we were doing. I have them listed just outfield. Okay. But we've if we're going to be position specific, then um that's the way we've been going.

SPEAKER_00

Okay. I was under the assumption it was going to be that the other way. Just straight up outfielders.

SPEAKER_02

Outfielder. So I'll leave it up to you guys. No, go ahead. I'm okay with it. So you want to put it on the other hand. Yeah, that just changed. You want to put you out in left field? Go ahead. You could have them on left field. You're going to put you out in left field. You go do that, I I submit that okay with protest.

SPEAKER_03

Thank you. Yeah, what a uh All right, here's a hashtag. Here we go. Here we go.

SPEAKER_00

Ladies and gentlemen, we have um people with glasses on. This is completely different than a normal person.

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Yeah, yes, we're older guys. I'm I should have bought my reading glasses because I'm barely making this through. I got I got my readers on. It's all good. All I'm doing is writing shit down, so it's all good. What are you looking at? Did you just simply put does Chow ever play left field in an all-star game? I did that, but it says primarily center field. It doesn't tell you. Oh, it doesn't tell you either or. Correct. Well, okay with that.

SPEAKER_00

So if it says primarily, then we're okay with it. We're okay.

SPEAKER_03

All right. Yeah, don't worry about it. Center field is primary position for the American League, where he won the both All-Star MVP awards.

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We're going with OF. I get what you're saying, but we're going.

SPEAKER_03

The foot's been the hammer's been dropped. Well, next time you should explain that before we started this podcast.

SPEAKER_00

This is not my podcast. This is just my microphones. This is your podcast.

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There's a mug for something. The mug is on the line. Well, it's an asterisk. It's an asterisk.

SPEAKER_00

There's more than a mug on the line.

SPEAKER_03

There's an asterisk mark there, but you could have it. Yeah. I'll put an asterisk in the line. Yeah, me too. Put an asterisk next piece to you. That's fine. Do we have to do?

SPEAKER_02

Who's next? It's me again. So is it you again? Back to you again? Okay. Then you pick just Gwyn now and Trout? No, Gwen was last time. I know. That's a good one though.

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Man, am I I got everybody I wanted. So you have your old outfield already. Yes. Alright, I'm gonna pick um my catcher then. Uh-oh. I know what this is. Ivan Rodriguez. Mmm, the punchster. That's okay. I expected that. I'll be honest with you. What's gonna I'll I'll say it later.

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Yeah, yeah. Don't even worry about it.

SPEAKER_03

Okay, so so right now I'm a little stuck because I went by I picked three center fielders, three outfielders. Yeah, I mean, so are we saying that we could put anybody anywhere? Anybody anywhere. Okay. Where in the outfield? Anyone in the outfield? Yeah, yeah. Okay.

SPEAKER_02

I mean, I didn't like I wouldn't have picked Trout for right field because he's never played there.

SPEAKER_03

Well, he only played center. I'll text him later.

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All right. Telling you he's go ahead.

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Go ahead. It's gonna get serious. It sure is. No, but that changes my whole thing. That's all.

SPEAKER_02

Okay. All right. It's okay. I'm gonna keep looking. I'm gonna keep looking. It's no big deal. Because I seen it. Promise.

SPEAKER_03

So I could it doesn't affect how you picked anyway, because you had bonds and judge on right, left and right anyway. No, it does because I only had three centers. And the center's. Oh, I see, I see. I see what you're saying.

SPEAKER_00

Okay, yeah.

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Go ahead. You good?

SPEAKER_03

So what no, what happened is I had judge for both right and center. Right. So I picked judge for right. So now I don't have no center.

SPEAKER_00

You don't have a center.

SPEAKER_03

Right. So you can pick anybody there. Yeah. See.

SPEAKER_00

I mean, uh you could pick anything.

SPEAKER_03

No, that's fine. Okay. Okay, so I'll just pick up um the only right fielder that the only outfielder that I have left. I'm not gonna have to put them. I didn't want them, but. Well, you could you could change judge. Can I put judge in the you you haven't had a you don't have a center fielder? No, that's fine. That's fine. Okay. It's no big deal. Either way. All right, so if I put judge in center, either way, this guy could go to right because he played right too. Okay, that's what I mean. I'll pick one soda.

SPEAKER_02

Whoa! I did not see that. I didn't see that coming either.

SPEAKER_03

No, no. Whoa. That bum. He could lead off the team anytime.

SPEAKER_00

Whoa! I see what you're doing here.

SPEAKER_03

Okay. Okay, so he's playing right field. Well, you let's switch it. Let's put Aaron Judge's center. Okay. And he could be right. Either way, however you want to do it. That's fine with me. I got no issues with that.

SPEAKER_02

All right. Elvin, on you, my guy. I already picked my shortstop.

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So. Okay. I think I will pick my third baseman now.

SPEAKER_00

This played out just how I thought it was gonna play out. And I'm going with Chipper Jones.

SPEAKER_03

Whoa! I had him down too. You should have called him by Larry Jones. Mm-hmm. You disrespected him. I had him down as well.

SPEAKER_02

But my third baseman's gonna shock the world. Yeah, and I had another one in mind, but I'm going with Chipper.

SPEAKER_00

Okay, so you got you got your first everybody's got their five, right? Yes.

SPEAKER_01

Okay. So what's the curveball? The curveball. When you pick your pitcher, it has to be dependent on stopping the next person's lineup.

SPEAKER_00

Oh, no doubt.

SPEAKER_01

No problem. No doubt. No problem. Alright? All right. And at the end, you have to make the actual lineup.

SPEAKER_03

All right. Oh, this is fun.

unknown

Okay.

SPEAKER_03

That's the one that you're gonna submit on the Absolutely. Oh yeah.

SPEAKER_02

This is beautiful. My lineup is working. I'm you know, I'm yeah, it's all relative. You good? Okay. Like I make a little lineup here.

SPEAKER_03

Yeah, you get I see a lot of caves there, but it's okay. No way. We're on a break? So I could get a beer?

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SPEAKER_02

Yes, it is. I think with the availability of outfielders, catchers are running low. I'm gonna skip a guy that everybody probably thinks I should pick, but I'm just gonna go with Joe Maurer.

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I'm surprised. Mr.

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Reliable, Joe Maurer. Did you pick your catch already?

SPEAKER_03

I just did. Yes. Oh yes. My boy, I could pick him last. You can. Because he's there waiting. And he's a Philly killer.

SPEAKER_00

Whoa. Okay. Orlando, it's on you. It's on me. It's on you.

SPEAKER_03

I'm sorry, Angel. It's on you. Angel, you're picking Jeff Conine? Yeah, he killed us. All right, so I'm gonna pick my first baseman. Don Brown. And maybe, maybe I'm gonna take him away from Orly and his third base. You might, you might. I'm gonna Miggy. Miguel Cabrera. Playing first base. So I did have Great Pick.

SPEAKER_02

At another position, though.

SPEAKER_03

I just want to let you know all my players hit 298 and above for career.

SPEAKER_00

Oh, so you had a you had a you had did you have a plan?

SPEAKER_03

Yeah, I got all stats, bro. Okay.

SPEAKER_01

All right. Kyle Ripkin didn't hit no 298 or above.

SPEAKER_03

He hit close to it. Probably 289. I'll take it. No way.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah, 2809. So I did have Miguel Cabrera, which is a good pick. I had him at first base or at third base.

SPEAKER_03

Yeah, I know me too.

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All right.

SPEAKER_03

So now you can play Polanco.

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Now you could play Polanco.

SPEAKER_03

Go ahead, Orlene.

SPEAKER_02

So y'all have short stops. That's gonna be my last. Like it doesn't matter anyway. But I got a good one there too. Third base. I'll go first baseman. I'm going uh big poppy.

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Mmm.

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I knew that was coming sooner or later. Or you got the back-to-back. And so you need a another. Oh no.

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Don't help him.

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You need a third base and a shortstop. Okay, so. Mike Schmidt. I wish.

SPEAKER_00

Vaughn Hayes. I'm trying to get somebody to get Von Hayes.

SPEAKER_02

Man. You know, they traded. So my third baseman who played the 1996 All-Star game at third base. Uh-oh. You're going with Roland? No. Oh. The AL. Mr. Hits Himself, Wade Box.

SPEAKER_00

Whoa. I didn't see that coming either.

SPEAKER_02

I saw that. I didn't put him. He's like number thick of that guy.

SPEAKER_03

He's like like number seven. Can everybody pick a third baseman?

SPEAKER_02

Yeah, you pick the third baseman titles. I think Wade Box.

SPEAKER_03

If I had no third baseman, I'll list them like number seven.

SPEAKER_02

If I had another third baseman I could pick, I would have went with Ramirez. Yeah. Aramis Ramirez? No. From the Cubs. Ramirez from the Indians. Oh. Jose. Oh, forgot about it. Being nice.

SPEAKER_03

But Wade Box got him.

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Yeah.

SPEAKER_03

Sir. Who you got? You should have went with Donnie Baseball. Okay, so I have um what I got? Second baseball. Base catcher. So you guys already pick catcher. So you guys already got your second baseman? Yes. Yes. Oh, so it doesn't matter which order I go then. Okay. So I'll go with my catcher. The Buster? Ooh, close, no. Mike Piazza. And I believe in 1996, did he win that all-star MVP? Should have. I think he did.

SPEAKER_00

Your team is very New York centric.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah, but a single is a double. Very New York centric. I did have a boy gets my first base as a double. Piazza put 308. Piazza's gonna throw his mom out. So. Sells a lot of cars, though. So nobody picked Yachty. Yeah. But we only had one catcher to pick. Wow. Shocking. I thought you were going Yacht. I didn't really know it.

SPEAKER_00

I swore somebody was gonna take it.

SPEAKER_02

Jamar could catch and was a better hitter than Yachty. I thought somebody was gonna take it. Mara was definitely a better hitter than Young. Yeah, but he's not a he wasn't a better catcher. But if you look at the total package, he's better than Yachty.

SPEAKER_03

But Piazza is a better hitter. Oh, he hits blasts.

SPEAKER_02

Korea 308 batting average. So and I gotta clean this up with the outfielders. As a catcher. I got my last two position picks, and they're both outfielders. So I'm gonna go with, since we can move players anywhere, I think I'm gonna go with defense and some Doug Landville. Some power. So I'm gonna go with my center field, Andrew Jones. Hall of Fame.

SPEAKER_00

Andrew Jones. He went a little bit later than I thought as well.

SPEAKER_02

I already got my right fielder, but I'm gonna move this guy. This is it's between two of these guys here. Let me see. Righty, righty, lefty, lefty, switch hitter, lefty, righty. I think I'm gonna go with another.

SPEAKER_00

I I might go with another switch hitter here. Let me tell you something. What you just did there is gonna be very important towards another part of this pod, I'll be honest with you. Not really.

SPEAKER_02

I'm gonna go with another switch hitter here, and he's done things a lot of switch hitters haven't done. I'm gonna go with Carlos Beltran. And I'm gonna go with him in left field. Carlos Beltran. Shout out to uh surf. And he's playing right field for you? He's gonna play left. I got the cannon and right. Oh, that's right. He's a walking hit. Ichiro.

SPEAKER_00

These are pretty good teams, man. I'm just gonna go. I had him down. I had him down too. Good.

SPEAKER_02

I only got that monster right at the top. I'm shocked you didn't take somebody else. I know than you either. Well, who you got left? You got outfielders left or left field? No midfield? No main field. Oh, I had one of them. I had him down.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, I'm surprised. I had him down here too. I mean, there isn't a spot you need. I mean, I'm just saying.

SPEAKER_03

You're gonna take him. You know what? I could have put him in center field, but I had him down. Who you got? For what? Oh, my next pick? Your next pick. Oh. Oh, it's my only pick, second base. Second base, it was a little tough. I wanted Alamar. Let me go with the little midget from Houston. Altuve. Jose Altuve.

SPEAKER_02

I had him there.

SPEAKER_03

He's um automatic leadoff double. That's a cheating ass name. No Utley? Yup. I had Atuve Utley. He was my second pick. He was my third pick. If I didn't get Alamar, I was going to go Utley and then Altuve. Yeah. I had Alamar, Atuve, and Utley. Okay.

SPEAKER_01

All right.

SPEAKER_03

Altuve.

SPEAKER_02

So he's a good second baseman. All right. So my shortstop, since all three are gone. Okay. And it's an easy pick because I had him number one. Just I want to show you that. My shortstop. See him? Had him number one. I had him number one. You see that, right?

SPEAKER_00

I see him.

SPEAKER_02

Who we got? Mr. Barry Larkin. Barry Larkin, yeah. I had him third on my list. Shortstop. Larkin's a nice little pick. So all you got the back-to-back, your pitcher and DH. Your pitcher's next.

SPEAKER_01

All right.

SPEAKER_02

Go ahead. Pick John Denny. Oh man. Jimmy Moyer. I need a second just to look over these lineups, right?

SPEAKER_03

Go ahead, man. Take your time. Jimmy Moyer. Well, I only wrote down three pitchers, so that's who I'm going to go with. I got. If y'all picked the other two, I picked a lot.

SPEAKER_02

Two, three, four, five. I got four.

SPEAKER_03

But think about it. They're only going to pitch how many times? Oh, my lineup is nice.

SPEAKER_00

They're going to pitch. I mean, I would think the guy you pick is going to pitch the first two innings.

SPEAKER_03

So he has to face three innings.

SPEAKER_00

He has to face whatever lineup that is. And shut him down.

SPEAKER_03

Yep. If you pick my guy, I'm going to be mad. So my pitcher.

SPEAKER_01

Mm-hmm. And it doesn't even matter. That's how nasty he was. I'm picking Pedro Mike.

SPEAKER_00

I'm about to say that'd have been the first pick of mine, too. Killer Pedro. 1997. R-A.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah, I had Pedro way high on my list. I had him number two. There's some doozies out there. A lot of them.

SPEAKER_03

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Because I'm thinking, I'm thinking one, two, maybe three innings of shutout. Nine batters. Maybe six K's. No walks.

SPEAKER_00

Okay. So you took your two back to back, right?

SPEAKER_03

Yes. He took Larkin and Pedro.

SPEAKER_00

Larkin and Pedro.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03

Oh, so it's on you. Okay. So the next time I go, I finish out.

SPEAKER_00

Yes, sir.

SPEAKER_03

Okay. So for my pitcher.

SPEAKER_00

Now just to be clear, you're you're picking Pedro. Oh, we'll get to that. Never mind.

SPEAKER_03

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, I have to get nasty. Yeah, we'll we'll get to that.

SPEAKER_03

Yeah. This guy, I think he could um shut out any basically any lineup for three three innings.

SPEAKER_01

Okay. Three innings.

SPEAKER_03

I gotta go with the the big unit, Randy Johnson. A nasty left-handed pitcher. That's who I thought as well.

SPEAKER_02

That's what took me a little a little time. That's gonna be. There's another doozy. But I'll go with the big unit. Oh, I mean, you got there's Scoobyl, DeGrom, you got Halliday, you got a bunch of people here that you can Johan Santana, who was filthy, Sander.

SPEAKER_00

Well, who you picking?

SPEAKER_02

I gotta go with my childhood favorite, arguably Justin Landon. The best right-handed pitcher ever, and it's Roger Clarkson. Oh, wow. The Rocket. Rocket. And in 97 and 98, he won the side back to back. This is the way I had it. I had Pedro, Greg Maddox, Halliday, Randy Johnson, and Clemens.

SPEAKER_03

I had only wrote that.

SPEAKER_01

That's a nasty five.

SPEAKER_00

That's a nasty five.

SPEAKER_03

I threw John Randy Johnston, Justin Verlander, and then I was gonna go with the rookie, Mr. 101, Mr. 102, Mr. 103, Mr. 104. Really? I was gonna get him if these guys would have got my picks.

SPEAKER_00

Okay.

SPEAKER_03

Those are the four deadly numbers you ever heard of. 101, 102, 103, 104.

SPEAKER_02

Exactly.

SPEAKER_03

Tenth pick is the DH. The DH.

SPEAKER_02

So you say Oh, I got back to back. You got back to back. Oh, Tani. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03

Yeah, it's that just fell on your lap.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah. My lineup is deadly. Deadly. My 3-4-5 is ridiculous. Well, we're about to hear it in a second.

SPEAKER_03

Now I'm gonna try to think of a DH or somebody I could put it in.

SPEAKER_02

My 3-4-5 is ridiculous. It's not even fair.

SPEAKER_00

I see smoke coming out your ears, boy. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03

You know what? Because I had him listed here for the outfield. I'll take him. I knew it. Manny Ramirez. I knew it.

SPEAKER_00

I'm really shocked it took so long to play.

SPEAKER_03

Okay, Rio Batty Niger, 312, 25 hits, 2,500 hits, 555 home runs, nine times Silver Slugger Award.

SPEAKER_02

Manny was. That sucks because I can't pick Judge. Nope. You can't? No, it's he's picked. Believe it, there's no doubles on any other team. Nobody picked any other.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, there's no doubles. No doubles.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01

Only from my lineup.

SPEAKER_02

I mean, I got I got my whole team is Hall of Nothing but Hall of Famers. Well, basically everybody's team is Hall of Famers. For the most part, yeah. They're all stars. Yeah. And I got my bookend set up. Oh my gosh. I got Poppy in there already. Jesus.

SPEAKER_03

I got.

SPEAKER_02

Wait, Orly, who'd you pick for your DH?

SPEAKER_03

Oh, you're still looking old.

SPEAKER_02

He's still looking.

SPEAKER_03

I just got nothing but contact hitters, bro. You know what?

SPEAKER_02

Uh-oh. Go ahead and pick them. Yeah, I'm going to pick him because I don't have nobody there. Pick your boy. I don't have nobody there. I'm picking Kyle Shorber as my DH. Okay. Randy Johnson's gonna make him look like Sean Crush. Maybe. Maybe. Sean Cross. But my boy can hit a lot. That's fine. I got nothing but contact nasty hitters on my team.

SPEAKER_00

Okay. You guys did a great job. These lineups are amazing. So we'll go like this. First, you're gonna come up with your pitcher that you want to pitch. We already picked one.

SPEAKER_01

We already got him.

SPEAKER_00

No, I'm telling you. You're gonna pick come up with your pitcher that's gonna pitch. So Orlando, your pitcher has to shut down your lineup. Alright. But you have to make your lineup. Oh, no problem. Your pitcher has to shut down his lineup.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00

And you have to make your lineup. And vice versa.

SPEAKER_03

I see. Oh, he's in trouble.

SPEAKER_00

Oh yeah.

SPEAKER_03

My lefty's gonna kill him.

SPEAKER_00

But before we do that.

SPEAKER_01

Beer break.

SPEAKER_00

No beer break. I mean, you can get one if you want. We had another caveat. Oh. Oh. Here we go.

SPEAKER_01

Here we go. He's thinking and thinking. So this is the 30-year anniversary of it being in Philadelphia. Right. You gotta pick a Philly to put on your team on the bench. All right. I already got him.

SPEAKER_02

I got from 96 to 2000. Any Philly or from 96 to now?

SPEAKER_00

From 96 till now. Okay. They had to be an all-star. And they go on your bench.

SPEAKER_03

Are we keeping the same order?

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, keep it the same order.

SPEAKER_03

So you finish. Or just on our bench.

SPEAKER_00

One you need one Philly to put on your bench.

SPEAKER_02

It's Kosh Weber. So it's on Angel. He can pick another No, he got to pick another one. Oh. Yeah, Kosh Weber was your first one, right? You only picked one, so you gotta go back to the ball. You can pick another one. So you gotta pick a Philly now. So we're starting it could be Orlando again? Anybody to be on the bench. Anybody to be on the big one. For whatever.

SPEAKER_00

For whatever.

SPEAKER_02

This person Just a bench guy.

SPEAKER_00

A sub. This person could this person could come in in the third inning and throw some innings. It don't have to be a writer. All right. So any any it has to be a Philly that's coming in off of the bench. A reserve.

SPEAKER_02

Okay. So Oh my.

SPEAKER_00

Where do we leave off with? We finished it first. He finished Kyle Schrober, yeah. All right. So it's on you. You got to pick one Philly to put on your bench. Oh man. There's a some plenty of all-stars out there. I don't think Don Brown's gonna get picked. Shout out to Don Brown. Friend of the podcast, by the way. Oh, for real? My son works out with Don Brown. Oh, okay. Nice. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01

He's still in the game. Yeah. I like that sigh.

SPEAKER_02

It's only three solid ones there. I mean, if you want somebody to come in and play this possible four. Um It's between two. It's between two. Request a timer, please. Oh, shoot. It's actually between three. Man, thinking. It's tough. That curveball was exactly what I hoped. It's tough. You guys got the the the that I'm thinking here, but well.

SPEAKER_01

I'm gonna go with. You're just gonna try to choose one. I'm gonna choose the other one. But I'm thinking different.

SPEAKER_00

There's more than two, by the way.

SPEAKER_03

Oh, there's like four or five. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00

Six. Oh, yeah. There's one still out there. There's there's one who had uh an all-star season that I was after I looked at his numbers, I was like, damn. He was really picked my boy.

SPEAKER_02

There's five of them. Who you gonna pick your boy? 53, but I'm not sure yet. Nah, no.

SPEAKER_00

You got time?

SPEAKER_02

Was he that there? That late? No. Yeah, he was. He's there.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02

And not for nothing. You look at his numbers. He's got numbers. He's in the hall of fame. Absolutely. He's done things that very few players have done. Yep. It's between a pitcher and a f and a and an infielder. But I got, let me see here. I got a great lineup. They're not coming out of the game.

SPEAKER_03

Well, if that's anybody. But it's just a bench just to have somebody on the bench.

SPEAKER_02

Something I twist their ankle. It's just too somebody to have on the bench. You know, but when he was on, he was on, and I need a lefty. I don't know if you're nasty, Orly. Wade bald to 96. It was like 85. It was like 82 years old. He's 335 average. Yeah, but 96 Wade Balds isn't the same as 86 Wade Balls.

SPEAKER_03

Maybe not, but he's still an all-star. And his cliques were too small.

SPEAKER_02

I don't know. You know what? I'm gonna pick a pitcher. And I'm gonna go since I have a righty of Pedro, I'm gonna pick the lefty, Cliff Lee. Okay. I wasn't even thinking of Cliff to come in and and do a two or three mop-up innings.

SPEAKER_01

All right.

SPEAKER_02

Okay.

SPEAKER_00

Him and Roy have the second most wins in a season outside of uh any of those Carlton years. So Roy and Bradley were they were pretty nasty.

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Yeah.

SPEAKER_03

So that that's the question. Do you want somebody on your bench as a pitcher, like you said? Right. Or you could have all these guys play nine innings.

SPEAKER_02

Right.

SPEAKER_03

They're playing nine. They're playing nine. Right. Okay. These guys are playing nine. Right. Not taking out my line. Yeah. So I was thinking on the same line as Orlando was thinking. You know, have a one-two combo. And I'm just gonna give my boy a shout out. You know. He went, he, he, he gone, he was, he left too soon. Yeah, man. And uh when he came over to the Phillies, he changed everything. Um I'm gonna go with Roy Holland. Hell yeah.

SPEAKER_02

My man, Roy. I have to look something up because you got time. Go ahead. Yes, sir. I need a closer. Did he make the all-star team? You're talking about Ricky Beaux? Ricky Bow. He did. How about the Duran? Ricky Bow. Hey, he's this year, he's an all-star. Oh, that's my closer right there. Johan. Okay. Duran. Yeah, Rock is going to go seven and he's gonna give me six outs.

SPEAKER_01

Wow. Randy. Randy's gonna go five.

SPEAKER_03

Holiday's gonna go four, yeah. When he tries to throw the slider, they're gonna tang tang. I hate when he does.

SPEAKER_00

Nobody wanted the 150 RBIs, the 58 bombs.

SPEAKER_03

Ryan Howard Ryan. I was gonna run.

SPEAKER_02

313 battle. Am I gonna pick him over Poppy, maybe?

SPEAKER_03

I was thinking of Howard or Holland, they're going for pitcher.

SPEAKER_02

You know, I did have Ryan Howard at first base, but Poppy's clutch. I was thinking about power.

SPEAKER_03

Poppy is clutch, yeah.

SPEAKER_02

Thinking about power off the bench. I was thinking Ryan Howard, I was gonna pick. Yeah. Okay. But since the guys went pitchers, I said, you know what, I'll go pitcher.

SPEAKER_00

Okay. So you guys got your lineup. I threw a couple curveballs at you. Sure did.

SPEAKER_02

My lineup is locked in.

SPEAKER_00

So now you got to create your lineup. Oh, yeah. With that in mind, uh, you are creating your lineup to combat Pedro.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah, it's not a problem. Crazy. I got switching problems. I got switch hitters and lefties, so I'm good.

SPEAKER_00

All right. So create your lineup.

SPEAKER_02

All right then. I think I'm not even gonna mess around. I'm gonna go with the top of the lineup, bat and first, Ichiro Suzuki. Okay. In the two-ho, I'm gonna mix contact and power.

SPEAKER_01

I'm going with Chipper Jones. Okay. In the three-hole, I'm going with the guy who can hit and hit for power. Abra Pujos. I thought you were gonna go with A Rod there, but okay. In the four-hole, I'm going with arguably one of the best players ever, Otani.

SPEAKER_02

In the five-hole, I'm going with Alex Rodriguez. Your lineup is weak. You're insane. Batting sixth, I'm gonna go with Joe Maurer. Batting seven, I'm gonna go with Robbie Cano. Batting eighth, I'm going Andrew Jones. And batting ninth, my bookend, Carlos Beltran. Carlos to turn the light up over? Hell yes. Okay.

SPEAKER_01

Not bad at least.

SPEAKER_02

Well, let me do, yeah. I have Chipper's a switch. Carlos Batran's a switch. So they're gonna be able to bat lefty against um Pedro. And I got Ichiro, Kano, and Joe Maurer, they're all bat lefty. And my right-handed hitters can just straight up hit with Pooh's and A-Ron. So I think I'm good. That's at least I think that's six or seven.

SPEAKER_00

That combat. Six or seven runs. That is the lineup that is gonna combat Pedro. Yes, absolutely. All right. Negative. Angel. It's on you, my guy. Your lineup has to combat the rocket.

SPEAKER_03

I'm not really thinking about the left, right, because all my my hitters are contact hitters.

SPEAKER_01

Okay.

SPEAKER_03

And of course, the rocket's gonna intentionally walk Barry Bonds. That's hilarious. So all right. So I'm gonna go. Leading off Derek Jeter.

SPEAKER_01

Okay. Shock there. I'm gonna put Juan Soda second, Barry Bonds third, Aaron Judge fourth, Mary Ramirez fifth, Miguel Cabrera sixth, Kyle Rick and Jr.

SPEAKER_03

seventh, Piazza eighth, and then to turn the lineup over. Another contact editor, Joseo Tuve.

SPEAKER_00

Joe Tuve? Okay. Alright. Orlando.

SPEAKER_02

Yes, sir.

SPEAKER_00

On you, sir. Your lineup has to combat the unit.

SPEAKER_03

The unit. You might as well skip the day. Yeah, too many lefties or league.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah, I think so. I got him crushed. Yeah, you're not not. Alright, so leading off is Roberto Alamar. Okay. He's a switch hitter. That's right. That's a strikeout. Number two is Tony Gwynn. I'm already at second and third with nobody out.

SPEAKER_01

Might be. Number three. I'm gonna go Griffey. Lefty, lefty. Number four, Mike Trout. Number five, David Ortiz. Number six, Kyle Shorber. Okay.

SPEAKER_02

I think you're a lineup. Number seven. Busted. It's a little buckrome there. Yeah. Barry Larkin. I think the unit is looking interesting.

SPEAKER_03

Number eight is Wade Boggs. And number nine is Pudge. No way. The unit in three innings, maybe five. I'm gonna let him go five. Remember, this is the guy that threw a perfect game and a no-hitter. So what? Five innings, he'll have 85 pitches entired. Who has the second time all-time strikeouts? Oh, almost 4,900. But let's add two or at least line up and get him.

SPEAKER_00

Okay.

SPEAKER_03

In three more innings, he's gonna strike out at least. Maybe so. You got your lefty's bunched up, bro. It's okay. I got you with seven strikeouts. The only one that's gonna make contact is Gwyn.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah. So looking at your lineups, I'll ask, I'll go around the table and I'll ask, who's the king of contact out of these lineups? Contact? Yeah. Who's the kind of who which team has the kings of contact in their own?

SPEAKER_03

Oh, the team that makes the most contact be mine. I got Ichi Roll. Everybody's 300, man. Judge strikes out.

SPEAKER_02

Cabrera strikes out, but he's good. Who? Piazza's a strikeout. Manny Ramirez is a strikeout. Bro, did you look at the career strikeout?

SPEAKER_03

What's the career batting at risk?

SPEAKER_01

Batt against Pedro.

SPEAKER_03

Pedro. Stop it. Yeah, Welly. Stop it. I think the lineup is.

SPEAKER_02

I see a lot of outs in your lineup. Maybe be honest. A lot of outs. Hall of Famers, baby. We're all Hall of Famers, bro. We didn't take no scrubs. I think to be honest with you, I think I got the best lineup when it comes to hit and hit for power. After five year lineup goes down here. I think combination of hit and hit for power. Joe Maurer, Andrew Jones, so you're saying you got the most complete lineup?

SPEAKER_00

For hit and hit for power? Who has the most complete? Who has the who I I tabled it with contact? I got hit at my super sloppy. I tabled it with contact.

SPEAKER_02

I have the straight up the powerful lineup. I have Roberto Alomar. I have Foggs. But he's gotta, you gotta think about it. He they gotta put together hits against Randy Johnson. All right. That is true. It's fine. They have to rally. Not a problem. They have to rally. They need three hits to get a run. I'm getting a walk and a home run. I love my lineup against anybody. As you should. I got chipper who is.

SPEAKER_03

Derek Jeter is a Derrick Jeter is walking or hitting. He's not gonna win. Kane. He's not striking out. He's a ground ball to second base. I got Pujose, A-rod. Then you got Soto.

SPEAKER_02

And Otani in the middle of my lineup, my three, four, five.

SPEAKER_03

And then you got Bonds that nobody wants to face. I'll give you, I'll give you bonds. So you're gonna walk bonds to face with Judge for with bases loaded.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah, but Judge strikes out when it count.

SPEAKER_03

That's fine. A lot. That's fine. You're gonna have to throw a fastball down the middle to him with bases loaded. He'll swing and miss. Yep. He's a joker.

SPEAKER_02

He's the um, he's hardened. He comes up small and gets sat in.

SPEAKER_00

So everybody is everybody is content with their lineup.

SPEAKER_01

Oh yes, 100%.

SPEAKER_00

I got one more for you. Oh here we go. So obviously I did this from 96 to 2026.

SPEAKER_01

You don't have to put them in your lineup.

SPEAKER_00

But if you could swap out one player from pre-96 to seven to 1976, that's 20. That's 20 years. Okay. Is there anybody from 76 to 96 of anybody in that world? You got 100%. You got Michael Jack Schmidt. Right. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03

Push Schmidt at third.

SPEAKER_02

I put Schmidt at third. Um you're Philly or anybody? Anybody. Oh my gosh. 76 to 96.

SPEAKER_03

I'll put I'll put Pete Rose at first. I mean, you got John.

SPEAKER_02

For several reasons. But go ahead. Yeah, you got it. Huh? For several reasons, Pete Rose. Um, you got Johnny Bench, I think was still playing in 76. Absolutely. Yep. Yeah, in a big red machine. I would have done Robin Yao to the outfield, Carlton Fist, Gush Catcher.

SPEAKER_00

So these guys, whoever you pick is not gonna be in your lineup, but they're gonna be your legacy pick. And you'll it's gonna be on the website, and I'll just have it at the bottom as your legacy pick. Willie Starjill. You can pick one legacy pick to put at the bottom of your lineup. They're not gonna play in the game, obviously, but one legacy pick to put in your lineup.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah. Well, Paul Molleter, there's so many from that far back. Frankly, Iola Frank Viola in the early 90s, he was filthy nuts. It could be Pitcher. Steve Carlton, Nolan Ryan. Ryan. Oh my gosh. Got one legacy pick. I mean, if you're asking me, that's my idol, so Legacy 76. It's Schmitty for me. Yeah, Ricky.

SPEAKER_00

You got the first pick, sir. Do you want to take Schmidty?

SPEAKER_02

I do.

SPEAKER_00

Smitty's your legacy pick. Next is you.

SPEAKER_03

Yeah. Well.

SPEAKER_00

Did you take your pick?

SPEAKER_03

That's fine, but I gotta go with Mr. Hick King.

SPEAKER_00

Oh, you're gonna take Pete?

SPEAKER_03

I'm gonna take your old Pete if he should be P Rose. He should be in the Hall of Fame.

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All right.

SPEAKER_03

With an asterisk. Well, there's a lot of that, right?

SPEAKER_02

What position is Pete Rose gonna play for you? What do you mean? He's played, I think, seven positions.

SPEAKER_03

Yeah, yeah. He's the only player in history that for the all-stars. He played five different positions in the All-Stars.

SPEAKER_02

I don't even know if I can stay Philly. If I stay Philly, it's gotta be lefty.

SPEAKER_03

He went um, he played second, first, third. Yeah, I'm gonna stay Philly with the other guys.

SPEAKER_02

I'm gonna stay Philly's with the other guys. I want to go uh see Carlson. Good Carlton. Going lefty, lefty.

SPEAKER_00

Amazing, amazing pick.

SPEAKER_01

So on the in the other pod we did, we uh we talked about the could someone win 20 games for the Phillies this year? Right? Oh and I went back and I looked at Well Carlton did.

SPEAKER_00

It's fucking unbelievable.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah, after the wins. Yeah. It was it's crazy in that year. What they won.

SPEAKER_00

They do they won't 59 games. 1991 won 27. They won 27.

SPEAKER_03

How many complete games?

SPEAKER_00

13 complete games.

SPEAKER_03

That's crazy.

SPEAKER_00

He lost six of the games by two runs, the other ones by one run.

SPEAKER_02

What was his final, what was his win loss that year?

SPEAKER_00

27 and 10. 27 and 10. 1.93 ERA. That is insane.

SPEAKER_02

That's crazy. It's funny that you brought him up because I was looking at estimates of how hard he might have been throwing. They said he might have been throwing in them in mid-90s. It wasn't hard. That slider was incredible.

SPEAKER_00

Like I didn't, like I I grew up knowing that team or those teams, but obviously he did that the year I was born. So I obviously I didn't see that.

SPEAKER_03

Right. But like as I'm looking back at it, I'm like, Yeah, you look at the re at the stats and you're like, that's crazy.

SPEAKER_00

Even the thing about the 20-game winners. As I was looking back at it, because I said in the modern era, like, you know, I we I was basically asking the guys, could, you know, these two guys that we have now win 20 games. And I look went back to 1960 and I said, oh, in the modern era, like for the Phillies, who won 20 games? And it's all him.

SPEAKER_02

Yes.

SPEAKER_00

Him and Roy Halday, that's it.

SPEAKER_02

You could argue, it's a good argument that Steve Carlton probably had the best pitching season ever. Think about it. I mean, I don't have to have a good team. 313 strikeouts. I know totality. They only had, what, 50-something wins? Yeah, they didn't have a good team. 59. 27 wins. They stunk and he still won 27.

SPEAKER_00

They had third the rest of the team had 32.

SPEAKER_03

That means he was shutting down teams. In order for the team to score one or two runs, he was shutting teams down.

SPEAKER_00

The rest of the team had 32 wins. Right.

SPEAKER_03

He was a beast.

SPEAKER_00

That's crazy. So is that your legacy pick?

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, that's a great legacy pick. That's a great one. And he was on the 80 and 83 teams. Yep. Yeah. Wish they should have won an 83, but I don't know.

SPEAKER_02

Baltimore won that easy. They won four to one, so they had a nasty pitch in staff, too.

SPEAKER_00

So guys, the uh man, these these these lineups are crazy. There are a lot of huge names on this lineup. I mean, outside of just the legacy picks. I mean, I mean, quick look through who has the most Hall of Famers on their team?

SPEAKER_02

Well, right now, inducted. Inducted or inducted. Did Poolholes get inducted, or is he up yet, or no? I think he got inducted. I think he is. So Griffey's a Hall of Famer. Well, I got two guys that are never gonna induct, but they should be in there. That's Rocket and A-Rod.

SPEAKER_00

So you got Poolholes. On your team, you got Poolholes, Ichiro, Chipper. I don't think Joe Marrow's a Hall of Famer.

SPEAKER_02

Andrew Jones gonna get in?

SPEAKER_00

Andrew Jones, he's not in now.

SPEAKER_02

No, he's not in now. This summer.

SPEAKER_00

This summer he'll get in. Oh, he gets in this summer. Okay, so he gets in this summer. So you got three. I got three. All right.

SPEAKER_03

I got currently three.

SPEAKER_00

You got currently three? Who are they?

SPEAKER_03

Uh Cabrera. Did he go in yet? Cabrera's retired.

SPEAKER_02

I don't think he's in yet.

SPEAKER_00

I don't think he's in yet. But we can count him. He's gonna get in.

SPEAKER_03

Yeah, he's gonna get in. Yeah, so we'll count him. So the ones that are currently in is Ripkin and Jeter. So two. And the ones that should be. Randy Johnson. Randy Johnson is in.

SPEAKER_00

Randy Johnson's in.

SPEAKER_03

Randy is in.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00

Orlando, how many you have? I have Griffey's in.

SPEAKER_02

You got a few. Griffey's in. Roberto Alamar is in. Tony Gwynn is in. David Ortiz is in. Wade Boggs is in. Barry Larkin is in. Pedro Martinez is in. Mike. Well, that's legacy.

SPEAKER_03

Yeah, because you picked them all from the 90s.

SPEAKER_02

I could have done that today. This is not pre-96 guys. Like Wade Boggs was 95 years old and fine. And they just gonna strike out. I understand. He got voted in. That's a fan thing. Yeah, that's a fan. That's a fan thing. And Gwen was not, he was short, he was long in the tooth, too. Yeah. Listen, beasts.

SPEAKER_01

I don't know. You know?

SPEAKER_02

I said. Is is pudging?

SPEAKER_01

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03

So my whole lineup. Yeah, you're pretty much your whole lineup is in. Well, from the 90s.

SPEAKER_02

If you're talking about who's gonna be in it, well, the the exercise was from 96 to 2000 to 2026. That is all right. Thank you. Well, I honestly see if this was a 10-game season, I could I could see Orly at 2 and 8. You're out of your mood. Oh, man. You wish.

SPEAKER_00

You think so?

SPEAKER_02

I don't know. You get a computer to run it through. Yeah, go get. Well, nasty. Or the fans decide.

SPEAKER_00

Well, that was the actually, that was actually the last question. If this team faced these other teams in a round robin tournament for 25 games, who has the best record? I'm the champ.

SPEAKER_03

No, I think No, I think it'll come down between me and Elvin's team. And I think I have.

SPEAKER_02

I have hit and hit for power. I mean, you're not doing that.

SPEAKER_03

I got hit for power too.

SPEAKER_02

And I got my center fielder and my outfield is just deadly. My outfield is defensively just extremely solid. Andrew Johns, Andrew Jones is arguably one of the best center fielders ever. You got Ichiro. I got A-Rod in his prime at short. Pools at first, Kano. Yeah, I got.

SPEAKER_03

Yeah, but you can't. If you're talking about Prime, then you can't you can't talk about Oli's team like that, then.

SPEAKER_02

What are you talking about? Ichiro's in his prime. I mean, we're talking about A-Rod's in his prime in 96. But still, what are you talking about? I'm not talking about Bob, Wade Boggs being his prime in 80s. Some come on. Wade Boggs, baby.

SPEAKER_00

Nah, I I I actually started to do this exercise with when you do it, you have to do it with the year that they were physically at at that year.

SPEAKER_02

That's what I was thinking. Right.

SPEAKER_00

Right. But I mean, because like you said, I mean, there were a couple ceremonial years for a lot of these guys, not just Orlando's. I mean, like Jeter's last year, he meant he really wasn't an all-star. He was just, you know, ceremonial R-star. Yeah. So even Ripkins, them, them, them years at the end were, eh, I mean, he wasn't really.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah, because he came in in 1983. Yeah. He was a rookie that year when they won the World Series. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00

Now if you pick Ripkin in 85, 86, yeah. You know, he's a different Ripkin. You know what I mean? So uh, but yeah, you guys did uh an amazing job. Um again, these will be on our website so people can vote on them.

SPEAKER_02

But what is your website?

SPEAKER_00

Uh I'll send it to you.

SPEAKER_02

All right, cool. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00

Um it's on the it's on the DJS, it's gonna be under the DJS podcast uh Instagram page. You'll be able to click on it, and then you'll see each one of you guys' names. You'll see the lineup, and then people can vote on who they think has the best lineup.

SPEAKER_02

Cool.

SPEAKER_00

You're gonna put it that on social or yeah, absolutely. All right. Yeah, it'll be there. That's cool. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03

Well, let me know. I don't have no social media.

SPEAKER_00

Well, I don't I can just send you the link. You don't have to have it on social media. Oh, okay. I can just send you the link. And so you can give it to people if you want to give it to them. So the uh the very the very last thing is um obviously I told you guys would win a mug.

unknown

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03

Speaking of the mug, if I do win the mug, I want to donate it. I want to donate it to the to who finishes third place.

SPEAKER_00

Really? Okay. Well, along with the mug is uh four tickets to the Phil's in August. Okay. Nice. So uh the only caveat is you have to bring me. So so if one of you guys win, you gotta bring me. But uh yeah.

SPEAKER_03

So while we just don't us four go.

SPEAKER_00

Funny you should say that. That's the other caveat. So the four of us have to go to the game.

SPEAKER_03

Nice. And um everybody bring a 12 pack.

SPEAKER_00

Whoever wins gets the tickets, and uh we'll we'll go to a game in August. Uh I got a I got one earmark that I think we might all want to go to. So that's cool.

SPEAKER_03

Us four? Us four. That'll be a great, that'll be a great time.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, so I'm I'm also gonna give those away. Uh compliments of somebody I work with who won a raffle and they gave me the tickets. Nice. So um I'm gonna I'm gonna spread the wealth.

SPEAKER_03

Yeah, that's okay.

SPEAKER_00

Um, but yeah, uh this was this was great. Before we get out of here, we're gonna do 15 minutes on the current feels. Oh my god. All right. So uh I would be remiss if I had you on these microphones and we didn't talk about the current feels. So uh we're gonna take a quick break and we'll be right back. And we're back. Uh we finished our 30-year MLB draft. Uh the guys got their picks. Uh, you'll see them on several different places. Vote on them. Uh tell us what you think. Uh everybody thinks, like every fantasy draft, that their team is the shit.

SPEAKER_03

Speaking of that, football's coming up.

SPEAKER_00

And football is definitely coming up, but uh this is a little different.

SPEAKER_04

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00

Before we get out of here, I wanted to ask the guys about the current field season. Um they started 9-19. They uh yeah, I'm sure we all thought fucking season was over. Uh it felt like that. They've been struggling a little bit the past week, but not like they were in the beginning of the season. So I'm gonna go around the room. Elvin, I'm gonna start with you. All right. You can make one change with the current roster. A change or an addition? Change your edition moving forward towards the end of the year, what would you do? I could be a change, could be a lineup change, could be an addition. If you can make one, what would you do?

SPEAKER_02

It's hard, I mean, for them because they are so hot and cold. And I would make I would like Dombrowski to make a move to bring in in a hitter. Just as straight, no power, nothing, it doesn't have to be powerful, just a guy who hits and who grinds every single pitch. And hopefully something like that will start to spread out through the lineup, and maybe these guys will have much better at bats. Because comes the postseason when you're facing elite pitching, they just come up, they don't hit the ball well. They don't look to go the other way, they're just looking to drive the ball out of the field, off of the park, they're not looking to move runners. So we need in addition, some a grinder. It doesn't even have to be a big name. Just a uh a good MOB hitter. We need to put them in there somewhere and just let them and just let them hit.

SPEAKER_00

Someone who came in, like my guy who came in last year who left. What? Bader? Oh, you're talking about Bader. Harrison Bader.

SPEAKER_02

Somebody like that? Someone like that, but I would say even better than him if they could find them. Better than Bader? Um, I can't really think of anyone right now. I'm not really that much into the game. But I I'm thinking that's what they need based on what's been happening in the last few postseasons. They just, when it comes to elite pitching, they've just not been able to hit elite, elite pitching. And the teams that have won the World Series have been the teams that put the ball in play most recently, because the guys throw so hard. You gotta have good hand-eye coordination. You gotta be able to put the ball in play.

SPEAKER_00

Who has the quickest hands on the fields?

unknown

Kyle.

SPEAKER_03

It's gotta be Kyle.

SPEAKER_02

Think it's Kyle? Yeah, I i the way he can just swing that back. Yeah, it's Kyle. It's Kyle? Yeah. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03

But it's But the thing is he does he hits for homers. His quickness, his hands are for, you know. It it's hard to hit get that guy, though.

SPEAKER_02

Like, who are you gonna get? You think about a guy that hits for average, you you think, okay, Lewis Oriah, who's available. But where are you gonna play?

SPEAKER_00

That's 300 every year.

SPEAKER_03

Okay, but where are you gonna play him? You see, but the the Phillies have to make a trade, not like the last two years. What was the one? Um Miles or Austin Miles, whatever his name is from Baltimore. And then you follow a Bader. That's back to back the same player. Marginal. That's bad. That's a bad trade. The thing is, if you get the same player, the same thing is gonna happen. Well, Austin Hayes got hurt, but I get what you said. But like Elvin was saying, you need it, you need somebody in there that makes contact. That makes contact every time. Honestly, I will get rid of Alvarado. I still don't know why he's still on the team. They need another left hand, they need another left-handed pitcher. Tell me that a bullpen. I'll tell you who the guy is. Let's go with Chapman. Let's go with Chapman.

SPEAKER_02

Or hater.

SPEAKER_03

And they just have to make that that punch and then get another hitter. And the thing is.

SPEAKER_00

More than likely, they're only going to make one move.

SPEAKER_03

Why doesn't Why doesn't Don Manley just stick with Kyle leading off? Trey Turner to me looks like my former boy, Nick Castellanos. He swings at everything. At the outside pitches, he's pulling out. He's all over the place. You can't trust him at leading off. You can't. He's a bottom of the third. Yes. I think.

SPEAKER_02

He's seven, eight, nine.

SPEAKER_03

Yes.

SPEAKER_02

I don't know why he. He bats at the top, probably because they gave him all that money. We've talked at this point. It's hard to do with $300 million, my God. We talked about this on the On the Mound visit, right? Yeah. Trey Turner goes up there and he acts like he doesn't have hitters behind him. Exactly. His job is to look at pitches, walk more. How many walks does he have? I don't know. And let the big boppers bring him in. Yes, let alone you get on base, you steal second, and your inning is going now.

SPEAKER_00

It's funny you say that because I noticed that as well. It's like he's uh it's like he's a 40 home run hitter and a slap hitter's body. Right.

SPEAKER_03

And he consistently pop up because he's trying to hit the ball out or the pitcher, the pitcher could walk the first the first two batters in front of him, first and second no outs, he'll come up and swing and pop up to right field. A hundred percent. First pitch after walking to the first two batters. Yeah, so he He's annoying.

SPEAKER_00

The thing is, is that he's annoying.

SPEAKER_02

What you need is an old school type of guy who's gonna eat pitches. Right. Who's gonna be like averages five pitches in that bat. That's the kind of guy you need who's gonna foul off, who's gonna piss off a pitcher and have a 10-pitch at bat, and a guy who's gonna grind it out. And I was looking something up. Me and Orly were just talking about it is Isak Parades. Oh, yeah. He I think he's averaging like four and a half to five and a half pitches per at bat. At least they MOB. So, real real quick on Trey Turner, he has 373 at bats. How many walks? Guess. Less than 40. 20. 22.

SPEAKER_03

What? You see? 22 walks. He swings too much. He doesn't want to walk.

SPEAKER_02

He doesn't want to walk. Really?

SPEAKER_00

I would have never guessed that. How many at bats?

SPEAKER_02

373. That's a choice. That's a choice. That is a choice. And I'm gonna swing. He doesn't belong at the top.

SPEAKER_03

He doesn't. I will put Kyle at the top.

SPEAKER_02

If you're not gonna swing, give me a home run. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03

I will put Kyle.

SPEAKER_00

I don't like Wow, that stat is crazy. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03

I don't like Schwarber at the top. I I don't like it at all. But you know what? He'll take more pictures than Trey. Yeah. He will take more pictures than Trey. He'll walk. The walk. He'll take the walk. Right.

SPEAKER_02

Trey Turner.

SPEAKER_03

It's horrible.

SPEAKER_02

It's last year in the playoffs, he was horrific.

SPEAKER_03

And then his glove is suspect.

SPEAKER_00

He's not a yeah. I don't know what happened to him. Yeah. I've said it many times. I don't understand.

SPEAKER_03

I never liked the signing. When they signed him, I never liked him.

SPEAKER_02

He doesn't look like a major league shortstop. Like when the balls hits a him, it just doesn't. It just sometimes he'll make a good play and he should, because he's a praise, he's a shortstop at the elite level. But most times it's just like when he goes to throw the ball, he scares me.

SPEAKER_00

But he does dumb shit. Like so the other night we were watching the game and we had this thing that we were talking about on the other pod about. Can um the the record for most wins in a season is 41 by the Phil's. So we were talking about can Duran and Wheeler get close? Or at least get to Sanchez. Sanchez. I mean, uh yeah, and Sanchez get close, right? So I had him like around the uh the the number three on the list is uh Lee Halliday. I think it's like 37, right? So we're like trying to calculate wins for them. So the other night the Phil's are up by six runs or something like that. Wheeler's going into the he's in the fourth inning. He needs to get out of the he needs to get to the fifth inning to get a win, right? They were gonna win the game. Ball comes to Trey Turner, he backs up on it, takes it, throws it to first, guys at first. Inning goes crazy at that point. They take Wheeler out, he can't get the win. Yeah, right? So he does things like that.

SPEAKER_02

Well, he did it again in the Sanchez start in Kansas City. A ball, double play ball. All he has to do is make the throw to first, double play, Phillies are out of the inning, no run scored, and it off the rails, they scored Royal scored six runs in the inning.

SPEAKER_00

You think they can say anything to him?

SPEAKER_03

I would. But didn't I tell you that? Didn't I text? I think I texted you on surf. I said, well, I don't Harper and and and um Oh no, that was for Alvarado. Go up to him and say, You suck. Straight up. I can't imagine he doesn't feel bad, but like I don't I don't think he feels bad. I don't think he the way he goes up there, he's at bat, I don't think he cares.

SPEAKER_00

Drives you crazy. I don't think he cares. So current the way the lineup is current, I mean the the the roster is currently constricted, they don't have a guy like that can do what you're saying on the grinder.

SPEAKER_03

That they need a hit or a contact to move him over or something, or fly ball, a simple fly ball, a man on third, one out.

SPEAKER_00

You don't think Crawford can do it?

SPEAKER_03

No, no. Well he swings too many now.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah, he swings too many pitches. He's a baby now. High pitch. He might be he might be able to do that someday, but not right now again. Not today. And um I think what they exactly need, they don't need a superstar. We just need a grinder. Right. We need a good MOB player who gives pitches, gets good at bats, and hopefully something like that, that spreads.

SPEAKER_03

Right. You know how they could they could get contagious. Once they hit, everybody's hitting. But when they're all cold, that whole lineup goes cold.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, it's weird how they'll go from an 11-run game because everybody's hitting to three to one loss.

SPEAKER_03

And you know what burns me a lot is like they got a game coming up and they're facing a pitcher that has walked 50 guys and their record is two and eight. That pitcher will come in and shut down the Phillies, correct? With no walks. That's what's annoying with that team.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, I I most certainly agree. So so your suggestion, and I think everybody's suggestion, is they need a guy.

SPEAKER_03

They need a grinder and another starter.

SPEAKER_02

Preferably right-handed. We'll get into that.

SPEAKER_03

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02

Right-handed. Um I don't know who's out there. I don't have all, you know, I don't have all the information, but hopefully Dombrowski can do something. Phillies are looking at it. What's the the right fielder for the 80s or for the Angels? Oh Adele. Joe Adele? They've been looking at him for a few years now. Or what's the Tyler Ward. Buxton.

SPEAKER_00

But that's been looking at Buxton for a minute.

SPEAKER_02

But I don't know if he's gonna, you know, waive no trade clause. Right. They're they're getting warm, and everybody in the AL Central's in it. It's just crazy.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, so you mentioned uh a starter. So we we we talked about this a couple of days ago, um, about the interview that um Ruben Omaro did, where he said, admit your mistake and go get Ranger Suarez.

SPEAKER_01

Oh, I I heard that too.

SPEAKER_00

You heard that? Yes. Yes. So and it's funny, your your your son says that if they do that, somebody in the in the front office needs to be fired. So I'll ask you guys, and the reason why he said they need to be fired, and I completely agree with him, because you had him in-house. Right? What why didn't they sign Rages Warris?

SPEAKER_02

Well, I think the bad, the where they messed up was was I was I would I was going back with him or Orly, and you and Orly would tell you, Nola was the mistake to sign into the contract.

SPEAKER_00

He said the same thing.

SPEAKER_02

I wanted, I wanted, like I didn't mind them re-signing him, but it had to be three to four, not seven. And it was just too long of a deal. So now we got we got these long deals. We got Harper at 40 years old, trade's 41, Turner to 39. It's like even things being equal with having Nola there. I still think because even with that, they were gonna sign Bachet. There you go. He played the Phillies, he played them. Okay, right whatever. Yeah, whatever happened, happened. But they were gonna sign Bachet.

SPEAKER_01

So to me, they could have had, they could have kept Ranger and not have Bohm and JT.

SPEAKER_02

So if you're telling me now I keep Ranger and I let JT walk, and I let Bohm get rid of it.

SPEAKER_00

Well, they cut off their nose despite their face. Correct. Because they thought they had Bachet.

SPEAKER_03

Bash, they jumped to JT. Yes, it was the next day. Exactly, because they thought they had Bichette. And Bachet, you know what I would have done? They offered them what, 10 years, seven years, 10 years? Seven years 221, I think. Why not offer the same type of contract that the Mets offered him? I would have gave them 40, 40 million for one year and see what happens. I don't think that's how it worked.

SPEAKER_02

I think he had the seven years 221, and then the Mets said, Well, we'll give you this, and he said, Okay, I'm done.

SPEAKER_03

Well, yeah, because the Mets gave him a year and then two option years. Right. So he's a free agent for the next two years. And then gave him what, 40 something million dollars? So why not the the Phillies match that?

SPEAKER_00

So quick answer. You give up Aiden Miller and the other guy. I can't remember his name. I would have gave Painter. Aiden Miller, you might have to give up more than that.

SPEAKER_03

Who uh uh Gay uh for now Gage Wood. Gage Wood.

SPEAKER_00

Okay, so I'll table that for a second. Do you would you go back and get Ranger?

SPEAKER_02

I I don't know.

SPEAKER_03

I I don't think I don't think you would have made a difference.

SPEAKER_02

I don't think it's an emergency as people think. Because in the playoffs, we got a solid three. Okay. You got the top four. If we got a, you know, I'm gonna go on the hypotheticals or whatever, but I mean, I think Nola would be good for one good start in the playoffs. He'll give us that. And I I don't think Nola, I don't think the number four is gonna be the difference. I think the differen we got the three. I think we need a hitter. We need hitter. We need a hitter.

SPEAKER_00

So you don't you're not on the ranger train? You don't you wouldn't go get him?

SPEAKER_03

I wasn't I wasn't mad that um no. I wasn't mad that we let him go or didn't sign him.

SPEAKER_02

Um don't forget Ranger's on the I.

SPEAKER_00

Okay. So you wouldn't get him?

SPEAKER_02

I would be hesitant to give that up because Ranger got hurt last year. He always gets hurt. It's always his back, it's always something, he always misses time. It's a guy that's gonna pitch 118 innings or whatever. And then, you know, but but it depends on the package. If it's Ranger and maybe Rawls Chapman. Chapman. I knew you were gonna say that's what I'm saying. Chapman, I think. Then I would seriously think about doing that. If it's two players for two or three or three. No way they're gonna give that up. Why not? They're gonna get rid of Chapman. If you give them your top two prospects, yeah, the Red Sox are terrible.

SPEAKER_03

Yeah, they're gonna give the Chapman up. Well, I think they'll they're not gonna give up Sorrors.

SPEAKER_00

They just so I'm glad you said that. So we'll go back the other way. This is what I was gonna say previously. So, do you do Gage Wood and Aiden Miller to rent Scooba? No.

SPEAKER_02

If we had a better lineup, absolutely. But we don't have the lineup. We just don't have the lineup. I don't think we have the lineup. Either they're hot or they're cold. And we don't hit elite pitching.

SPEAKER_03

Right. So we have to score. I agree, because we could go one, two, three. We need hitting. We need we need hitting, we need runs. Because you could have Wheeler, Wheeler could shut down a team. You know what I mean? Wheeler could shut um Sanchez. Sanchez could shut down a team, and Lozardo, you gotta score runs for him.

SPEAKER_00

So you guys think that these issues are all lineable. Bullpen, lineup, contingent, and bullpen. I we're gonna get to that in one second. That's the last question.

SPEAKER_02

Depending on what you would get, and I don't know what trade I would do. But don't get me wrong, I would love School. Depending on the trade, I might even trade a starter, somebody on the infield right now to get the bullpen piece and to get somebody other marginal to play an infield position.

SPEAKER_00

Who's the first to go?

SPEAKER_02

Me? Boom. It's either Stott or Bohm. Yeah, Stott or Bohm. Stott plays so good defensively, though. Yeah, I would if I had to pick between the two, I'm always gonna decide on defense because I'm a defensive guy. Bohm will be the first to go.

SPEAKER_00

Crazy how he's gotten so much better.

SPEAKER_02

He has been playing good.

SPEAKER_00

That's what I'm saying. It's crazy how he's gotten so much better.

SPEAKER_02

I don't mind him, Derek. Buxton right now is batting 271, 82 hits. Just right there, I take it. 25 home runs, dude. Yeah. I would go get him. I would go after him. And he's windy. And his deal is not crazy. No, no, no. And you put him in He's got two years left on his deal, and both years are at 17 million.

SPEAKER_00

Oh my God. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02

It's a bargain. It's a bargain. But the twins are right there. He's got a no trade clause as well. So he's got to waive the no trade clause to go out there. So he's the perfect guy.

SPEAKER_03

So if he's looking at the twins and oh, we're winning. We're what, two, three games back? Is he gonna give up on the twins? The twins always give up on themselves.

SPEAKER_02

The the front of the city was. He has a no trade clause. The Phillies were in on him last year, but he didn't want to. He's the only one that stayed on there. I mean, School Bowl, that would be beautiful. My thing is But I I hate the idea of renting a player. Well, you know who's gonna do it? The Mets. Or Atlanta. The Dodgers, you think, are gonna do it. The Dodgers are gonna do it. What they think so? The Dodgers will do it. Why not? The Dodgers have the best system. Why not? The Dodgers do not care. They have the PC. They don't care. Wow. They defer so much money from the line. They have the best farm system to make the deal. I'm gonna give you the best line. Who are we afraid of? Max Muncie?

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, I wish I had that there. Yeah, Max Muncie. True.

SPEAKER_02

No, but the Dodgers will give up the prospects.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, because it's about Nathan. They just won the win. The Dodg.

SPEAKER_02

Here's one to win that he might be available. Who would you trade for this guy? Don't say it. Which guy? He plays for the Padres. Manny? He plays right field. He all plays in the Fernando Tatsu's Jr. I would take that. So put him in the outfield and put him at the top. Put him on right field. I'll take him on the heartbeat. And the heartbeat. He's a grinder. He owes, but he's had a bad year. He's had a down year. They get rejuvenated on a trade.

SPEAKER_00

Seems to happen when you're in a race. And you got a little sauce in there, a little Latino.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah, you gotta sprinkle a little bit.

SPEAKER_00

Send that boy to North Philly. Get that boy some candules.

SPEAKER_03

He's good, yeah. I would explore it. I'll give up Gagewood for Friends. And they're out of it already.

SPEAKER_02

They're straight up. They're out. You give up Gagewood straight up for Atlanta's looking at. Well, prospects are just prospects, man. Oh, I know. I mean, not Aiden Miller. How many prospects have we had that never? I don't have to remind you who we did not get because we wanted a whole Dominic Brown. Uh. Could have had Holiday before. Friend of the show, Dominic Brown. But who was it? Doc Holiday. Could have had a year or something. Uh did not want they not want to trade Don Brown in the package to Toronto. They could have had him a year or two before. Yeah. Wow. So they have him in 09. I'm all about. I know prospects is just prospects.

SPEAKER_00

I get it. I get it. Yeah. Prospects are prospects. I get it. I I completely understand.

SPEAKER_03

So for some reason, Phillies prospects, they don't work out. The difference is Gage Wood was that guy.

SPEAKER_00

When they did work out, they won a World Series, by the way.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah. Yeah. Gage Wood is that guy. In college, he was that guy, and he might be pitching for the Phillies next year.

SPEAKER_00

So we hold off on Gage unless it's somebody of the school lesson.

SPEAKER_03

He's good, but we we heard the same thing about Painter. We could have got rid of Painter two years ago.

SPEAKER_02

But Painter got hurt. Come on, let's be for real.

SPEAKER_03

What did Painter have the just last year or two years ago?

SPEAKER_02

Two years ago. So he should be good. He just got hit around. He's got to tweak his delivery. And maybe cut his hair.

SPEAKER_00

So we're since we're talking about pitching, we we have to talk about what I call the uh bridge to Duran. That's a problem.

SPEAKER_03

And that's what that's the problem.

SPEAKER_02

We've seen it the past few weeks. The Princess Duran is well they were just talking about hater on the radio. So I think that um I think you can get somebody better and cheaper. And his name is A.J. Minter and he's lefty. Oh, yeah. From the Met.

SPEAKER_01

Is he?

SPEAKER_02

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01

He's killed the Phillies.

SPEAKER_02

He has a he's having a great season.

SPEAKER_03

A great season. He was with Atlanta. He killed Phillies every time.

SPEAKER_02

AJ Minter's available. Mets maybe they may be looking to dump. They are.

SPEAKER_00

They have to be. So if you could go, each one of you, you might have the same answer. If you could go 7, 8, 9 coming out of the bullpen, what do you got?

SPEAKER_02

Right now? Right now, it's I mean you like.

SPEAKER_00

No, I mean if you could add if you can add a guy like You gotta add an eighth inning guy. You need to add an eighth inning guy, right?

SPEAKER_03

I go Chapman. You go Chapman? You could do Chapman and Duran. But I'll keep Duran in the closer, but I'll put Chapman in the So you would go Kirking, Chapman, Duran?

SPEAKER_01

Yep. What game is this in the playoffs?

SPEAKER_00

This is uh game five of the NLCs. I hate you. Game five of the NLCS.

SPEAKER_02

Game five of the NLCS.

SPEAKER_00

I'm sorry, NLDS.

SPEAKER_02

NLDS. Corkering with bases loaded. Oh, go make the play. He's not gonna make the mistake twice.

SPEAKER_00

Why you gotta bring up old shit? No.

SPEAKER_02

In the seventh inning? I was coming. In the seventh inning?

SPEAKER_00

Seventh inning. Sanchez is giving you Sanchez is giving me six strong.

SPEAKER_02

I'm coming with Aaron Nola for one inning, and then I'm bringing AJ Minter in and then Daron.

SPEAKER_00

So I asked this on the other pot, and everybody said, fuck no for the Aaron Nola. And I was the one that was like, yeah, not bring him for one inning. Absolutely.

SPEAKER_02

Well, no, he'd give up a run. He'd give up a home run. He's gonna throw a hanger. It's different. No, he won't. It's different because he'll be relieving, and I guarantee you he'll be popping 94-95. Because now he can let it go for now. He can just let it go. 15 pitches. He'll hit 94.

SPEAKER_03

Okay, that's his fastball. How about his hanger? Well, he does too.

SPEAKER_00

You seen out on this.

SPEAKER_03

Well, not Aaronola with the hanger, no. For one inning, yes. So you wouldn't have him.

SPEAKER_00

Seventh inning guy? You wouldn't have Nola? You'd have him Aaron Nola seventh inning guy?

SPEAKER_02

I would I would very much consider it. So now that makes it interesting about picking up a number four because if you're moving Nola to that kind of role in the playoffs, who's your number four? You got to get a number four. Scoggle. If it was that easy. Yeah. I mean, it could be anybody. Isn't um Taiwan Walker available? I think he is. I don't think he's pitching. I don't think he is either. Not much, not much different than Nola, right? But this guy who got suspended, who wants to play for free. Bauer. They mentioned him. No, he's not. But don't forget about Painter. Don't forget about Andrew Painter. Let him go down there. Yeah. If he comes up, if he comes out in late August, they can't give up on it. But I will say this: the last nine starts by the Phillies quote unquote fifth starter, they're row and nine.

SPEAKER_03

You know how many wins between the fourth and fifth starter? How many wins does Phillies have? 14. 14 wins between two the fifth and the fourth and fifth starters. Wow.

SPEAKER_02

I'll take three out of five wins. A 60. Well, not that great, but.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02

See. To me, they need a bullpen piece. I think the bullpen piece is I think bullpen a little bit higher than the than the hitter.

SPEAKER_00

So I started this with what is the one move that you make? You're saying bullpen piece? Yeah.

SPEAKER_03

Right away? Bullpen is first. I mean a hitter.

SPEAKER_00

You need a hitter. I think Avarado.

SPEAKER_03

Well, if you could do two. I said one piece. One piece, I'll go bullpen.

SPEAKER_02

You go bullpen piece. I think Avarado, mate. Those a hundred, man. He stinks. Those a hundred. He doesn't know where it's going half the time right now. Oh, he's got to just find it in time. I wish. He's been doing that for the last three seasons.

SPEAKER_00

He's so perplexing to me. Yeah. Because there are some days when you're like, damn, why why ain't this guy a closer on somebody else's teeth? Right. And he should be like lights out. And then there are days when it's like, he just don't have he's so inconsistent. I like him, but just he just wild.

SPEAKER_02

I think the I think the Phillies make two moves. I think they get a a bulk and piece, and I think they get a uh a right-handed hitter for it.

SPEAKER_03

Honestly, I think they're gonna go all in.

SPEAKER_00

Think so?

SPEAKER_03

Yeah. I mean I think this is the year.

SPEAKER_00

This is your first time on the pod, and this is a great segue to my very last question. So this team is getting very long in the two. Yes. They've uh not been to the mountaintop, but they have tried to climb it several times and it hasn't worked. This Phillies team has currently constructed that I have a feeling will not be what it looks like next year. So I'll ask you, what did I tell you? Barring any moves? Where do the Phills finish at the end of the season?

SPEAKER_01

I think we'll be in second place and walk hard. Where do Phil's finish at the end of the season?

SPEAKER_03

Second place walk hard, eliminated right away.

SPEAKER_01

Where do Phil's finish, my man? I think they could get to first place. I really do. With with a trade.

SPEAKER_02

I think they can get to first place.

SPEAKER_03

Well, as of right now. Without elimination. I mean, they're only two games out. It depends.

SPEAKER_00

They're they're they're definitely gonna add a piece. They always add a piece. What that piece is, I don't know.

SPEAKER_03

And Atlanta's getting healthier, and they always Atlanta somehow always makes that trade. Well, we'll see. They're gonna have to. Atlanta always makes that trade. I think they can get first place, and it's a race.

SPEAKER_02

It's uh who knows what happens at the playoffs.

SPEAKER_03

I who knows. And what did I tell you about next year? Who's gone?

SPEAKER_02

You said, oh, this guy says that Harper's gonna want out next year. Harper's gone next year. He ain't going nowhere. Yeah, but he's he might have an untradeable contract. Who wants to keep him though he's 41 years old? It's gonna be tough to trade him.

SPEAKER_03

But I bet you they're gonna go.

SPEAKER_00

I got another contract question, though. There's a guy on the team that has outperformed his current contract. He's due for arbitration next year. But if at his cons at his current pace, he's gonna be a hundred to almost a hundred and fifty million dollar player, and he's making seven million dollars right now. He might owe this to Don Adamley. I don't know.

SPEAKER_02

Well, you're talking about Marshe?

SPEAKER_00

Batted 313 for a minute. Yeah, he's he's been hitting the ball very well.

SPEAKER_02

Since last June, he's been batting 313. But they may, I mean, he's still how old is he? He's 25, 26, something like that.

SPEAKER_00

Oh, he's older than that. He's old. He's gotta be older than that. No, he's dude. You sure?

SPEAKER_03

I think when we got him, he was 23, 25.

SPEAKER_00

Well, he might be because he's still due for arbitrary. I think he's arbitration eligible. I wonder if you're thinking he's 26, 27.

SPEAKER_02

I think he's 28. But I'm signing him. Why? He's in his prime. He's in his prime. But I'm giving him no more than depending on the age, I'll tell you how much I would offer him.

SPEAKER_00

Okay. So that's that uh we'll we'll table that for a second. I'm gonna ask you.

SPEAKER_02

Brandon Marsh is 28. That's what I'm saying. So So is he when did he turn 29? Doing this season? Next year. Um I think he just turned 28. I'm trying to look up his book.

SPEAKER_00

So put it like this. I I I know for a fact, next year he's arbitration eligible. The next year after that, you gotta sign him.

SPEAKER_02

So his 20 when he turns 29, he turns 29 December 18th. So he this is his 28-year-old season. I would sign him for six years. I would sign him in his prime to keep him in his prime. What is it for four to six? What does that look like for you? You said four to six? Yeah, I couldn't give you a money amount because I don't know. I mean, 20 perks? Probably it's 50. No, no, I couldn't give you a money amount, but I don't know. Why not? I don't know because one thing, this is his first real good season right now. He's he is going into his prime. So if you project it, I mean, you're talking about maybe at least he's gonna get 20.

SPEAKER_00

He's gonna get that. So you think on the low end, going into after arbitration, you think what Bohm looks like because Bohm, what looks like 10?

SPEAKER_03

He just signed for 10. 10 million.

SPEAKER_00

Now, mind you. So Seth, he's gonna at least get 15 to 20 million. Now, now, mind you, there is most certainly gonna be a lockout. They want these 10-year, 12-year contracts gone.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah, but that's I think that's silly, only because the owners decide that. The owners are the ones offering these long deals. I guess they don't want to call it collusion. But if the owner wants to make a mistake and sign a guy for 10, 12 years, let him.

SPEAKER_00

I get it, but I'm just telling you, that's where they're gonna go to the bargaining table.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_00

They want five-year deals. If the guy is in-house, they want six-year deals. So he's an he's a guy that's in-house. So you're saying something like he would be looking at like six years, 20 mil a year, like 120.

SPEAKER_02

I would say five to six years at anywhere between 15 to 18 to 20. If he keeps, if he keeps batting like this, and he's going like he just started his prime years. Okay. So he's going into his prime, really, into the the the strength of his of his skill, he may be worth it.

SPEAKER_00

You do that too?

SPEAKER_03

I won't go that much. I'll go four or five.

SPEAKER_00

Four or five years?

SPEAKER_03

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00

Around the same amount, about 20 million a year?

SPEAKER_03

18. 18 to 20.

SPEAKER_02

It's a lot of money. It'll get it done. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00

I think so.

SPEAKER_02

Coming from seven?

SPEAKER_00

Oh, yeah. Coming from seven, it'll definitely, definitely get it done.

SPEAKER_02

He's 28 years old. What's he gonna get in salary arbitration with that little stats? I think you have to offer what 14-15? Exactly. It's the most 18, maybe. That's what I'm saying. 17 somewhere.

SPEAKER_00

You get like 14-15 or something.

SPEAKER_02

I mean, I don't I don't know how his home run is. You've been hitting them too, though. Yeah, so it might be looking at 15.

SPEAKER_03

So I would give him six years ninety. He has 11 home runs.

SPEAKER_02

If he wants to take that, he might want to take short to see if he starts. The mistake that he'll start making is that he'll start swinging for power.

SPEAKER_03

Let's see how it fits.

SPEAKER_02

In a couple years.

SPEAKER_00

Who on the lineup is not in this team next year?

SPEAKER_02

Next year? Next year. 15. Oh, yes, 15.

SPEAKER_00

Who on this lineup is not on the team this year?

SPEAKER_02

I I I think we got we got untradable guys. Trey Turner and Harper are untradable. Whoever takes on those contracts, I think I don't think it's gonna happen.

SPEAKER_00

You don't think it's gonna happen? No. What about you?

SPEAKER_03

I think it's gonna come down to either the two names that always come up. I think it's gonna either be Boehm or Start that's gonna not gonna be here next year.

SPEAKER_02

Orlando. I agree. It's both of those. Bomber stock. That's where you can like you said, you're you're you're on the hook. They're good. Kyle Schorber and JT and Harper and Turner. So the only way you can make changes is the corner outfield and right, depending if you don't trade anybody, second base and third base. Unless somebody's gonna take JT.

SPEAKER_03

Well, how long did Sign Garcia? One year. These are all rapid fire questions, bro. So he might not even come back next year.

SPEAKER_02

JT could be tradable. He's still decent catcher.

SPEAKER_00

You know, but I don't know. How much he makes 23 mil a year? How much do they have to eat to get rid of Aranola?

SPEAKER_02

Aaronola? No way. They would have to at least eat half his contract. How much he has left? At least half a hundred in but how many years? He's got a lot.

SPEAKER_00

He's got like five years, I think, left. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03

After this year, they gave him a four. 20 million. How much they gave him? 20?

SPEAKER_00

23 a year. He means 23 a year. Half.

SPEAKER_03

Half? Absolutely. And I would do it. You would do it? Get rid of him, man. You're out. He's going to come back with the same thing next year.

SPEAKER_02

I don't mind him being the five. The himself. That's why I was said that bother me.

SPEAKER_03

I always said if they put him down to the fifth, he could match up against anybody else's fifth.

SPEAKER_02

I thought he was going to be the five, honestly. I didn't think that uh Andrew Painter was going to be this bad. I mean, he was just throwing fastballs and boom. He was getting lit up. Yeah, Painter was bad for that. He must have a towel. Maybe he's leaving everything high. Oh, high. Middle up and high. Yeah, it's a problem. That's what they're working with him down at the miners. Yeah. He'll be stretching out a little bit, getting on top, and down, you know, keep it low in the zone.

SPEAKER_03

So I think he'll be good for coming out of the bullpen in postseason. That's what I'm saying. Maybe in an inn.

SPEAKER_00

Okay. Well, guys, that's all the rapid fire questions I have for you. I had to get those out because I I knew you guys had opinions. Um I want to uh definitely thank you guys for coming over and uh doing this. Like I said, um, this will be up either Sunday or Monday. I wanted to have it up before the All-Star game. Okay. And uh yeah, everybody out there who's listening, go vote. These guys are really confident in their team. And but, you know, they should be because I'm sure they put a lot of work into it. And uh I hope you're out there or listening to what I think is one of my this is one of my favorite pods, I'll be honest with you. And I'm glad you guys came over to do it. Thank you for having us, man.

SPEAKER_03

I appreciate it. I appreciate the invite, my first time here. Absolutely. Um you got a great podcast. I listen to, you know, not every day, but I do listen here and there. Because I'm not sure. I guess I don't I'll follow it more, but I have listened to it. Um but you guys are doing great.

SPEAKER_00

Thank you. I appreciate it. I got this'll this will be out the end, like I said, either this either Sunday or Monday. And then um I have another one where we go through uh all these records. Matter of fact, while I got you hell, I'll ask you that one last question. I'll ask you if you think any of these can be broken. Um we talked about can Kyle break Ryan's 58 home run record. Uh will there can they break the 41 um win record uh between um Wheeler and Sanchez? Do you think either any of those can be broken? I think the home run. Oh, and the 90 home run record as well. Both of them. Both of them together. Yes, a 91 home run record but that currently Chase and Ryan hope.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah. Shorbert has 31?

SPEAKER_00

32 last night.

SPEAKER_02

31.

SPEAKER_03

The pitching is gonna be tough.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah, I don't know. I think Ryan has started. I think though I think Shorbert can get the 58 before they do the combined thing. 58.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah?

SPEAKER_02

Yeah. I think Shorbert can do it.

SPEAKER_01

Okay.

SPEAKER_02

I think the home runs. I don't know about the pitching. Yeah, the pitching's gonna be. Home runs combined and the 58.

SPEAKER_00

Think they can get them both?

SPEAKER_02

Yeah. I think so as well.

SPEAKER_00

Fellas, again, thank you. Uh I enjoyed this. And um, everybody out there, thanks for listening to the mound visit. Go watch all the all-star festivities this weekend. Yes, sir. Um it is it's gonna be crazy. Uh I am going tomorrow to the uh Swingman Classic. Hopefully, I get to see Kim Griffin. Yeah, he's okay, yeah. Um, my son somehow hooked up. And then Jimmy?

unknown

Huh?

SPEAKER_00

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02

Jimmy Rollins, right? Jimmy Rollins and him.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah. So uh, yeah, and there's a whole bunch of shit going on in the city this weekend. So if you guys get a chance to go out there, enjoy it. For sure. This only happens once every 30 years.

SPEAKER_04

Apparently, right?

SPEAKER_00

Next time this happens, I don't think where any of us are gonna be able to go. No. Thanks for listening, guys. Malvisit is out.

SPEAKER_03

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