Why Wasn't I In The Room? (Part 3)

The conversation continues in Part 3 of Why Wasn’t I in the Room? as special guest Brandon Boruch and I wrap up our Q&A session but not before taking a few unexpected detours.

What starts as a continuation of our discussion quickly evolves into a deep dive into filmmaking, acting, storytelling, and the creative process. From performance techniques and character development to directing actors and bringing authentic emotions to the screen, we explore what it really takes to create memorable work.

As always on That’s So Random, the conversation doesn't stay on one track for long. We bounce between practical industry advice, personal experiences, creative philosophies, and the occasional random tangent that somehow circles back to the art of storytelling.

Topics Include:

• Acting techniques and performance preparation
• Character development and authenticity
• Directing actors and collaboration on set
• Independent filmmaking challenges
• Storytelling through emotion
• Creative growth and artistic confidence
• The unexpected tangents that make great conversations

Whether you're an actor, filmmaker, writer, or simply someone who loves hearing passionate creatives talk shop, this episode offers an inside look at the craft behind the camera and in front of it.

That’s So Random with Doc Anthony Bravo: where one question leads to another, one tangent sparks a new idea, and every conversation becomes part of the story.

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Transcript

SPEAKER_01 0:21

Here's your host, Doc One.

SPEAKER_05 0:26

Alright, ladies and gentlemen, welcome back to part three of why wasn't I in the room with guest host Brandon. And we'll just pick it up from where we last left off. It's definitely elevating the product a lot more. Yeah. Alright, so now the next question. These are like hypothetical, wild card questions. Oh, this is this is an interesting one because I'm I'm curious. And I won't I won't feel any type of way if I'm not included in this. Okay. But if you have to survive a zombie apocalypse with three actors that you've worked with, who are you choosing?

SPEAKER_02 1:01

Oh uh just within our group?

SPEAKER_05 1:04

No, that that you've worked with. Like, from from every project that you've done.

SPEAKER_02 1:08

Oh, okay.

SPEAKER_05 1:09

Any project that you've done. Oh boy. Three actors that you would take with you to survive a zombie apocalypse, who are you choosing? Wow.

SPEAKER_02 1:19

And I get I get three of you plus me. I'd say. Yeah, you get three of any cast member you've ever had. So you know it's so great, and I can if I can name drop just their fresh things. I'm gonna say.

SPEAKER_05 1:29

Yeah, we we I want you to drop there, because this is the positive thing. Like, I choose you here.

SPEAKER_02 1:34

Yeah, no, I because of their experiences and and their backgrounds and because of their passion, I gotta say, uh, and I'll start with ladies first. I'll go with uh Leva, Jennifer, and you. And I'll then I'll explain why. Because Leva is a frickin' pro wrestler, and you know that she can deal with anything. She is a pro. She's got you know, she's she's been ready for this. She is a super anime fan, super everything fan, and she can wrestle like these zombies have no hope. Jennifer loves vampires, so you know that she knows how to survive, like, you know, she can survive vampires, she can survive zombies. And then you, because you're G, you're a gangster. I know that you have an arsenal up your sleeve, and you have all these belts. You have you could literally make uh an armory of belts all around you. You'd never be bitten because you could just Well I also do combat, obviously.

SPEAKER_05 2:33

Um I've wrestled before, but obviously Leva is ahead of the game. I think Jennifer's done like stage combat, so it wouldn't be it wouldn't be hard to like step it up a notch and actually combat. And I I feel like we would have a decent squad to like knock out some vampires.

SPEAKER_02 2:47

Yeah, we would hit hard. We're the hard hitters, yeah.

SPEAKER_05 2:50

And and that's just on hand-to-hand combat. If we have an arsenal, we're we're chilling.

SPEAKER_02 2:55

Yeah, we're we're chilling, yeah.

SPEAKER_05 2:56

Zombies ain't messing with us.

SPEAKER_02 2:57

That's right.

SPEAKER_05 2:58

All right, let's see, let's see. What's the next question? Okay, if your life was to become a movie, what actor would you feel would be the best actor to play you, but also on the flip side of that, who would be like the wrong choice to play you? Now, to help you out, to help you out with this question, um, because there is one actor in Hollywood, uh I I don't even call him an actor, nor a comedian, but there's just one person that I and you know, I'm pretty sure he's a good guy in person in real life. If if I was to get the opportunity to be on a show, the only catch is you have to work with Patton Oswald. No, I'd be like, never mind. Oh no. Never mind. I I'd rather they're like, but no, it is a Netflix prime time. This is Netflix money, baby.

SPEAKER_02 3:52

Oh, you gotta dive deep in this. I gotta hear what what's what's Pat and Oswald done to you?

SPEAKER_05 3:57

I don't I don't I I don't think he's funny. Yeah I don't think he's funny at all. Yeah. And trust me, I've heard some really bad comedians, but I just I just don't think he's funny. I don't think even in the genre of comedy, he's he doesn't hit like you know, I've seen a few things with him. The only thing that I will give him his flowers for, and it's mostly because of my kids, Ratatouille.

SPEAKER_02 4:20

Yeah, yeah. No, but he's a great uh so that voice is iconic about him.

SPEAKER_05 4:24

And it fits great.

SPEAKER_02 4:25

It does fit great, yeah, yeah, yeah. Um so you don't want him to be your uh choice not my choice at all.

SPEAKER_05 4:34

I I just I just don't like seriously, like they can come to me tomorrow with panels while and be like, hey, we want to offer you this show, but that's your co-star. I I pass.

SPEAKER_02 4:44

Do you know that I actually have two, but I feel like uh there's two bad ones I would say. But one's older than the other. I just I think I'm gonna have to say the one who resembles me the most is Kit Hardington, and I don't want him to be me. Just because he's that right age of he looks like me, he's British, obviously he's been talented enough, he's been in things. But there's just something about him that just has that wrong energy every time I see him in the role, that just I know that wouldn't work for me because he plays scared, even though he's a he acts like he's tough, but he's really scared. And there's another actor who thinks he's a tough guy, and I don't really want to say his name, but maybe if you want me to, I will.

SPEAKER_05 5:26

It's up to you.

SPEAKER_02 5:27

Like, I I don't care.

SPEAKER_05 5:28

Because if Patton Oswald was to hear this and knock on my door tomorrow and be like, I want to work with you, I close the door right in his face.

SPEAKER_02 5:34

So my Patton Oswald is Mark Wahlberg.

SPEAKER_05 5:37

Okay.

SPEAKER_02 5:38

I find him such a blowhard. I find his reputation completely like he thinks he's balanced, he thinks he's a cool guy, he thinks he knows everything, but he is so not that. He is everything he's not, and it bothers me that people still think him in regards of like, oh, he's sexy, he's talented, he's all this. Please name me a really great film with Mark Wahlberg that he did alone himself.

SPEAKER_05 6:04

Okay, I'm about to say, not by not by this.

SPEAKER_02 6:06

No, with others, he steps up, right? And with in a movie with other famous people, he looks good because he's next to these other famous people that make him.

SPEAKER_05 6:14

Ironically enough, the movie that I think that he like did the best in was the film The Other Guys.

SPEAKER_02 6:20

Thank you. That was my first take too. The other guys is the only thing that's you know, like Marky Mark and the funky bunch?

SPEAKER_05 6:26

What's funny is I've never really been here or there with Mark Wahlberg. Yeah. But I grew up a big Eminem fan, so when him and Eminem had the beef, I was like, Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 6:38

Marky Mark. No, Eminem is a great, great artist, and that that I'll just praise, praise, praise right there. That's a legend right there. Um and that he he or he he's a better actor, even. If we're really gonna go on notes against things, from singing to acting, shit.

SPEAKER_05 6:53

Eminem could there's a lot, there's a lot that Eminem is that has achieved over Mark Wahlberg. Oh, yeah. So like Mark, and this is why like I agree with you even more because of how Mark treated Eminem when he first started. Like he was so annoyed that he was on the same TRL episode with him. I'm like, look at this guy thinking it don't stink. Like, what the hell? Yeah, and then you know, Eminem throwing out there, you know, Marky Mark and the funky butt, like, oh like I was loving it. It made me love Eminem even more and how cringy Mark Wahlberg was looking being next to him. And here's here's what I want to throw. Like I said, I've never been here or there with Mark. And the fact that you don't like him, and the fact that my favorite artist didn't like him, Eminem has an Oscar.

SPEAKER_04 7:41

Yeah.

unknown 7:42

No.

SPEAKER_05 7:44

So Marky Mark and the funky bunch can keep, you know, doing whatever they're doing.

SPEAKER_02 7:50

I mean, I gotta respect some of the well, shout out to his other brothers. There's some other brothers that actually do stuff that I'm like, you know what? They may not be super big at all. And yeah, maybe they're a little bit pricky, but they're actually I can res I can respect that they're doing what they're doing, and they're doing a fine job in what they're doing. Like Donnie, Donnie Wahlberg did just fine.

SPEAKER_05 8:09

You see, and I like and I like Donnie because I was a big, I was a huge fan of new kids on the walk. Right. Oh, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 8:16

But yeah, going back to who would be the person to represent me, because I think they they most maybe talent and everything like that, who I think I would want, even though they're older. Right now, all I can think is Peter Dinklage. That's that guy is so talented.

SPEAKER_05 8:33

So they're gonna have to really do like medium shots.

SPEAKER_02 8:37

No, but that's the thing. I think it's a nice, it's a nice way of showing he represents how people make me felt small, and that's a hard thing to feel that everybody didn't want me because I wasn't the jock like this tall, or I wasn't this pretty, or I wasn't.

SPEAKER_05 8:54

What's crazy is, and I'm not saying this to blow smoke up your I could totally see you playing the jock. Yeah, you are a very handsome man, thank you, and I can say that as a person who doesn't swing that way. Yeah, who doesn't swing that away. You know, I'm a big ally of the LGBT community. Oh, yeah, same way. So I can say that proudly and know that it's I'm not blind. You are a very attractive man. You are a handsome man, and I can see you being like the lead role. I can see like I've I've told you this already. I you I can see you as a lead person, hence why the next project. Those who didn't see you that way, they lost out. They they don't know the mane of a beard that you can have.

SPEAKER_02 9:34

I think no, but I appreciate that love, and it's really back at you. But I do have to call out the a little bit of the industry because I do think there is a stereotype that leading men are a certain look and a certain height, and I have seen those profiles still casting calls from commercials and not that if you're not a certain height, if you don't you can't have tattoos, you can't have this. I think those all have to go away, those standards. And I and I do need to call out that industry for that because it's it is still attacking those who have put their talent and their brains and their you know I mean, they put their efforts in, but you're saying, well, sorry, you're not the right looks, you're not tall enough, and if you had tattoos, you're screwed. Well, I disagree.

SPEAKER_05 10:18

Well, now here's uh here's a a fun fact The reason why I stopped pursuing acting is because of that reason. See, I'm a person that you can't tell what am I, you know, what's my background by just looking at me. So as a kid, and I I'm sure you've seen like my child, like my teenage headshots, a role would be for a Hispanic kid. I didn't look Hispanic enough. It could be for an African-American kid, I didn't look black enough. The hell people would people would sometimes say, I look like Pakistani or Muslim or whatever the case may be. So whenever I went for a role for a Middle Eastern kid, I didn't look I'm like, I don't get it. The role would be for a chubby kid, you're not fat enough. I would go in for like uh athletically, you're not skinny. Like, and that's when I was like, you know why? I'm gonna just I'm gonna just do music because in music, you have the talent, you can sing, you can rap, you got it. Yeah, and that's why I chose music that's for like for like the longest time. But what made you come back? Because you do act. Okay.

SPEAKER_04 11:14

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 11:15

And thank you for reminding me why where I was going, because I had got lost where I was going. And this is why I got back into writing, because I'm like, nobody's gonna make these roles that fit me, that fit me as who I am. I'm a person that you can't tell what nationality I am, you can't tell if I'm fat or skinny, depending on what I'm wearing, or the the month or the year. So I said, I'm gonna go out there and create my own roles. Yeah. And I started writing because nobody's gonna make roles for me. And I kind of took that mentality that Lin Manuel had, because he even stated it in one of the many interviews that he had. He's like, I I had to go out and create my own roles because I wasn't gonna get a role for me with the look that I had. And I'm like, you know what? I'm gonna do that. And that's when I got back into writing. I'm like, I'm gonna create my own roles, and that's why with the circle of people I have, I create roles for them. Yeah, because the industry has certain standards, and they think that that's what perfection looks like. Well, guess what? We're gonna show you that we can bring perfection, talent, and a good story balled up into one.

SPEAKER_04 12:23

Right.

SPEAKER_05 12:23

And that's why I I went back into writing. I wanted to explain why I got back into writing. Because now, now you understand, because we can relate on that level. They look for this, they look for that. And I'm like, I know that's why I stopped acting. Yeah, because everything they looked for that I thought I fit, I wasn't enough. So when I got back into acting, I'm like, I'm gonna create my own roles.

SPEAKER_02 12:43

And actually, I'll even add one last thing. The reason I'm actually when you asked me, hey, what would you like? I knew I could just say the most blanket statement of what I thought uh we could feel for a film. But you knew exactly what to write. And that's exactly what it was. You connected to what I needed, what I was going for, but you know how to write for me. That is something I've never heard of. Like, I don't think a lot of people really state, oh, I got to talk to this great director and they wrote for me. No, occasionally they build up that relationship. It takes years. We've actually had maybe two years, not quite doc. I feel like forever though. It feels so long, and yet you offer me the thing, and now you still write for me. You write roles that totally fit me. How did you know that? How do you do that? That's that beauty and magic, and and I say it's love, that you can actually feel that same way, find that way of life that I have found, find get away from the stereotypes, and yet still write for yourself and for others. Bravo, doc. Thank you.

SPEAKER_05 13:45

No, but you take it to my last name bravo.

SPEAKER_02 13:47

I know. Bravo to the Bravos, find your statement.

SPEAKER_05 13:50

You see, and the reason why is because my mind is on a roll 24-7. Um, my imagination runs wild. Something that I used to do as a kid, I used to like just look at something and just imagine an image in that, and then think of that image, and then in my mind let my imagination carry away. I'm gonna give you a quick example. If you look at tiles, like square tiles, in like a certain way, depending on which ones or how they how they're shaped, it'll look like the the face of a lion. Not that.

SPEAKER_02 14:23

I'm trying to look at the four now.

SPEAKER_05 14:25

Matter of fact, even now, a little bit. You you see the the three right there? It's like the eyebrows and nose and like the chin. And then the line in between is like the you know the lip of the lion. Wow. It's funny because this is all audio, so people would be like, what are they talking about? But you see it.

SPEAKER_02 14:39

But you see, we have not been drinking or taking anything, just so you know, folks.

SPEAKER_05 14:43

But no, like you see it. I right, but I I'll show you a picture like later on. Because in in New York, the bathrooms would have like little square tiles, like little square tiles, and then also something I did as a kid that as an adult, looking at the kid's self of me, it kind of gets me emotional, like yo, I had a I had a big imagination as a kid. And even now I'm trying to like thinking about it, I'm trying not to get emotional because I can imagine like my kids doing something like this because they have big imaginations as well. As a kid, right, my mom would just fill up the bathtub, throw the toys in there, bubble bath, everything. I would take the soap and just kind of like window wash like the tile on the on the thing, yeah, and then within the circle, like little bubbles, right? And then tiny, tiny or bubbles, and I'm like, this is a village right here. This is this is one village right here, and this is all the people that live in that little village in that little house, and then over here, and I just made a little community out of all the suds and different size suds. I'm like, okay, the little, little suds, those are the people, the bigger suds, those are like the the homes, the buildings. And I would just create little stories in that. Thinking about it, I'm like, yo, that's a good idea, kid. And even now, as an adult, sometimes I I I'll get lost with a story, and a lot of times I take from real life. There's a lot of things that I've experienced in life, and when I tell somebody it, they're like, that sounds like something out of a movie. You know what? Then I should make it a movie.

SPEAKER_02 16:01

Yeah, right.

SPEAKER_05 16:02

Let's move into the next question. I'm gonna ask probably like one word answer questions, and then one final question just to end it. I'm gonna ask you three one-word answer questions. Okay. What's your favorite movie snack? Popcorn. Okay. Dream filming location. Chicago. Okay. Is there a certain part, like a certain area? Because you you like you can't just say Chicago, because in my mind. Yeah, because I'm like, like, are you talking about the like the loop?

SPEAKER_02 16:35

We're talking, we're talking, I I I love that view. If you were going to the uh uh planetarium, like from where where the lake shore, yeah, you you could look at it from that angle, but also you yeah, every angle from the loop I think needs to be involved with because in films.

SPEAKER_05 16:52

I you know, my sister, when she first got married to my sister-in-law, when they got married, they were in this, I forgot the name of the building. It wasn't the Sears Tower, it was next to it because I can see it from the window. But if I was to pick a location, let's say, for example, I was to pick Chicago, I would want a scene in that in that floor, yeah, with the glass, like windows from you know, ceiling to floor, look oh overlooking that. Like that'd be like in a rom-com, the first date that like the hopeless romantic is taking the girl of his dreams and they're having dinner up there. Because it was a restaurant. So that would be the precise location if I was to pick Chicago.

SPEAKER_04 17:28

No, yeah.

SPEAKER_05 17:29

Now, if I'm if I'm doing like something gritty and action, oh I'm going deep in the heart of downtown.

SPEAKER_02 17:36

South. You just gotta go south. Underneath the Like Southwest, actually. You can go west. Yeah, there's something like that. Underneath the L like I can say the same thing about it. It's more iconic and it's hard to film out there, all right. And I don't see a lot of people film using it as a film location as the big city that it is. Yeah. Because it is really beautiful and it can be multiple like feelings, but for me it's like a kingdom of heaven.

SPEAKER_05 17:57

Yeah, it's it's so funny because, like I said, every time we get to a question, we like jump on a tangent. But movies I've watched growing up, you know, half was New York and half half was Chicago. And I fell in love with Chicago even as a kid. Then when my sister moved there and I went to visit her like on a yearly basis, I I I loved it even more. You know, obviously, from shows like Family Matters to Keenan and Kel to movies like Dark Knight, Dark Knight already shines it.

SPEAKER_02 18:25

Adventures maybe sitting, yeah, Transformers Dark Darker the Moon.

SPEAKER_05 18:29

Yeah, freaking all of Ferris Bueller, like these are films that were filming in Illinois, yeah, yeah. You know, not specifically Chicago, because obviously the Home Alone House is a little further north.

SPEAKER_02 18:40

But John Hughes, let me tell you, was an Illinois guy, did use the city of Illinois as well as uh, you know, City of Chicago and all of Illinois as he could. Yeah. Because that was his that was where he was from. That's why it's so iconic. Yeah. Home alone and all these classic movies like Breakfast Club and all these others.

SPEAKER_05 18:54

And that's the reason why Chicago always has love. Yeah, love.

SPEAKER_02 19:00

Yeah, and New York's a big love, too.

SPEAKER_05 19:01

Yeah, the number one. And Home Alone was also a New York. Ha. Yeah. All right, let's see. What's the most overused acting advice?

SPEAKER_02 19:09

Be yourself.

SPEAKER_05 19:11

That's that made me laugh.

SPEAKER_02 19:12

Um it's not it's it's so overused because nobody understands what that means to be yourself as this person in this situation. Because there are a lot of times where you're realizing, how can you be someone who's killed a thousand people? You're a ninja, you're a what? And you're supposed to know what that means. Yeah. That makes no sense. So I don't appre I I've been told be more yourself in in school, in training, in the scene. It uh upset me a little bit, but now I've grown to accept it as like accept my just accept it as a choice of what I'm gonna do now.

SPEAKER_05 19:47

And here we here we go again. Now, in a situation like that, I always feel is about who taught them and decided that they should teach you. Because I've had the benefit of having some great drama teachers in a high school, elementary, you know, doing drama club, and even here in Orlando, Shauna Bartell cast studios. She taught me some great lessons when I went to her acting class. Obviously, high school and elementary school, I'm not gonna remember the teachers. Actually, no, Ms. Zachary was the elementary um drama club teacher. They always and I I I I don't want to say who said what because I don't remember exactly which one, because obviously all that information gets stored and just mixed all together. But I was always told the character you're playing doesn't know they're in a movie. So when they say be yourself, from what they made me understand, is we're not saying be you playing a murderer because you're not that person. Take the essence of the character, make that the foundation, and now be you on that foundation and grow from it. One thing that happened during the shoot of thrill ride is that they were when we were all huddled up, and I think I said it. I think I said it. Like, can we stop looking at the next person talking? Because we're not supposed to know who's gonna talk next. This is supposed to be random, yeah. And that's and that's from that lesson. We don't know we're in a movie. Yeah, so the fact that we're all looking at the next person to talk.

SPEAKER_02 21:27

That was a good blooper. Sorry, I gotta.

SPEAKER_05 21:28

Yeah, no, it was a great blooper. But it was one of those moments that I felt like I have to say this because this is something that we should all learn as actors, as artists. When we're in the moment, though you know who's supposed to talk next, looking at that person, if the audience is just looking at that one scene, you look at that person before they talk, it's like, how do they know that person was gonna talk next? Exactly. Yep. So it would take you out. So this is why I would always kind of go into a neutral position after. Like, you know, you spoke, then I I like kind of looked straight or down, whatever, then the next person spoke and brought my attention to them instead of having my attention already on them.

SPEAKER_02 22:09

Yeah. But yeah. No, that was a solid direction, and actually it it's because I too was I actually knew I had to change my direction because of that note, because I was playing the I thought we were trying to do the artificial um and lock and lock at the next root and lock at the next root, and lock at the next version, and not realizing that no no no, we're not playing a caricature moment of comedy. It's still, as you say, a real moment that we all have to just listen without knowing it at the time.

SPEAKER_05 22:35

Yeah, because at the at that moment of the film, we're sneaking in, we're trying to find these vampires, and okay, we're we're trying to figure things out for real.

SPEAKER_02 22:44

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_05 22:45

And that's why I was like, can we stop looking at the next question? Okay, one more, and then we're gonna go to the final one.

SPEAKER_02 22:53

I think I got the title. It's gonna be uh talking about random thoughts on haters and the a thousand tangents.

SPEAKER_05 23:01

That might be it. Okay, I'll ask this this question because I'm like debating between two questions. What movie that you've ever seen, or even that you've played in, made you emotional?

SPEAKER_02 23:18

Two in one. I'd say I broke down in the cinemas. There's a couple of movies that actually really broke down, but I I I know the most the the one that really broke me down hard, like I couldn't leave after the credits was Letters for you from Yoshima. The first time I ever saw that film. Absolutely devastating. It really hit me where I've never really felt so much for Soldiers of Japan until that moment. And I thought that was absolutely incredible. And I never thought Glenn Eastwood, who directed that, could ever do such a thing like that.

SPEAKER_05 23:57

You know, I I've heard of the movie, I've never watched it, but no, no, I'm like. You have to watch it. No, no, I want to watch it.

SPEAKER_02 24:02

I really recommend it. I really recommend that one. Especially especially because it's a it feels more like a foreign film, which is also kind of cool because it's not every day we get to watch foreign films where there is no real English in there, but I won't spoil anything either. Um and then for me in a film, I think that's coming up. I actually think the same movie is gonna come up.

SPEAKER_05 24:25

Alright, well we'll we'll revisit this one then. Yeah. Alright, so the final question What advice would you give someone scared to start creating?

SPEAKER_02 24:34

The advice has to have a beautiful lovely validating beginning. So that would have to be You have to check in with yourself and go, are you okay as to why you're afraid? Are you okay in that moment? And are you are you actually ready to just do anything? Because if you're ready to do anything, then you're ready to just do. And in that do, it means you don't think, you don't preempt, you don't that insecurities even have a thought. You should just breathe in, breathe out, and go. I think that's the gentlest form of there is no theory, there is no technique. It's a simple expression, reaction, in a conversation, we don't preempt our words as we've been talking to each other. We're looking at each other's eyes. We could look away, and yet we still know when to react and how. So let that instinctualness just have a click, try, go.

SPEAKER_05 25:42

Yeah, pretty much. It's crazy because I was gonna let you end it with that question, but then I started thinking, because I usually give advice when people act because I get asked that question is the reason why I brought it up. And then when when I heard you, and I was like, that's so much nicer and softer than what I usually say. Because usually, like, I'm not abrasive either. I go, there's nothing really to be scared about. I said it throughout the the show in different ways and different manners as an artist, as a creator, you're putting what you think is entertainment out there. As a creator, when you're first starting, you're putting that out there. The audience doesn't know what's the goal you're trying to reach. They see what you're doing. Now, when you put it out there and it's not hitting the audience, and you know you gotta aim further. And that's what I usually tell them is like there's no real need to be afraid. What you should be afraid of is never trying. Yes, that's the core of the message that I usually tell people. The biggest thing to be afraid of is a what if I would have tried. And staying in that one spot, just go. Just the same way you said it, like I said, you just you said it in a much softer, I guess, kinder way. Just do. Go out and do. Me is a go. Just just effing go. Just go do it. Exactly. Because staying in one spot is zero progress.

SPEAKER_02 27:22

Which is why studying can be hard, which is why we when you're that's why I talked about the grind of life. It it's it it does feel like it kills creativity to think about how you have to sustain yourself, have to sustain your financials and everything of that nature. And then you forget to just what can I try? So that's why it takes somebody. It's weird how it actually feels good when I'm in a room with you or I'm in a room with Jen or any of these creatives that we've met, and I'm just out. I feel like a freaking puppy. I am just awoke, I am ready to just engage, I listen, I'm excited, because on a day-to-day, sure, I like meeting people here and there, but it's not the same energy when you're in that creative room, whatever that rehearsal room, whatever that is, and and that's what it takes for people to just go out and go to that.

SPEAKER_05 28:15

And I think the reason why, even more, is when you build that relationship with somebody, and this is why, like I said, throughout this whole episode, I've said it, when when you believe in somebody, and somebody believes in the project and the vision that you have, it becomes a better building relationship because they believe in you, you believe in them, and you feed off of each other. And one last thing to the whole just going out and do, with every step you take, you learn something. You throw your your creativeness out there, and you see what they reacted to and what they didn't. So you throw something out there, they reacted to the way it was presented, but not what was said. So now you know the representation, boom, let's switch up what they said. Then you throw it back out there. Now you see them react a little more, the presentation and what they said, but maybe not how they delivered it in the body language. Okay, let's switch it up. Tangent. Another thing that I did as a kid, I would make facial expressions and do these things to see how I look doing them, or even body language. Like, there's times in certain projects that I was like, oh, hey, people would react like like laughter, like, oh, what the hell? Like, what was that? It's the reaction because if somebody sneaks up on you, and it's a comedy, yeah. Somebody sneaks up on you, you're like, what's up? Somebody sneak up and oh hey, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 29:50

Bro, you scared me, you know?

SPEAKER_05 29:51

Yeah, one thing that I saw in one of the takes that we did of um Thrill Ride is Lydia's character comes up and like sniffs me, yeah. And somebody was talking to somebody else, but you see my reaction go.

SPEAKER_02 30:09

Yeah. Right, right.

SPEAKER_05 30:11

So that little subtle reaction, the the the nuance of that scene made that that part funny.

SPEAKER_02 30:19

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 30:21

Today was an amazing episode. I can't wait to get this one out there next week. I appreciate you stopping by, my brother. Thank you. We we have a lot, a lot to edit and to put out there. I think we've only got like almost two hours. That's fine. Yeah. Um, and if it wasn't because I gotta call Scarlet right now, I think we probably would have kept going. But thank you. For sure. I'm gonna do my my usual sign-off. Thank you for listening.

SPEAKER_02 30:46

If you want to say anything before we sign off, no, I mean I mean I'm totally grateful. I think everyone also uh needs, uh I just say everyone needs like like what you have brought to the table. Um, bring, you know, just the do, find your uh find your strength against insecurities, and um we're all we're all gonna work together and and just keep this going forever and ever. So yeah, let's go.

SPEAKER_05 31:10

I appreciate you all listening today. It was a phenomenal show. I'm actually really excited to put this one out because I'm not talking to myself. So thank you for stopping by and checking us out today. Thank you, Brandon, for stopping by and chilling and talking and tell my imaginary DJ hit my music.

SPEAKER_00 31:31

One more quick. That's so great.