How Optimizing Your Hormones Will Make You More Successful - Tomo Marjanovic

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Podcast Timestamps
Intro & The Vision of Ancestral Movement
0:00:00 - 0:01:10

Growing up in Cleveland and Life in Law Enforcement
0:03:07 - 0:10:07

The Truth About Testosterone & TRT
0:04:15 - 0:06:45

Why Tomo Resigned from the Police Force
0:10:07 - 0:15:52

The Medal of Valor Story
0:19:50 - 0:23:55

Productivity Scams & Why Most People Don’t Deserve Weekends
0:25:22 - 0:32:08

Hardening the Pillow: Losing $250k and Staying Calm
1:29:32 - 1:31:13

How Big Pharma Controls Modern Medicine
1:42:06 - 1:49:50

Redefining Masculinity & The "Alpha" Myth
2:01:40 - 2:07:02

Heartbreak as a Catalyst for Success
2:14:42 - 2:20:11

Rapid Fire & Final Message to the World
2:32:01 - 2:35:00

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SPEAKER_05 0:00

Hi guys, welcome to Stelling Infinition Podcast. Before I introduce you to the guests, I like to introduce you to a concept, a vision. We were not designed to sit in chairs. We were not designed to stare at screens 24-7. We were not designed to feel tired at 25 years of age. That's not how our ancestors pop eight kids back and forth. Boom, boom, boom. Yep, here we are. Struggling, hair loss, knee pain, back pain. More than life made us comfortable, and comfort made us weak. But what happens when you learn how the human body is actually meant to move? How it's meant to train, recover, adapt, evolve. Today's guest helps humans reclaim their performance. This is Stalin Confidential, and today I'm here with Tomo. Tomo, welcome to the show. My brother, how are you? Awesome, brother. How have you been? It's it's been such a long time. We've been uh in the in the talks to make this happen, and finally we did this.

SPEAKER_00 1:00

You came here to Florida, man. We're in uh I'm happy we got to do it in my studio because it's easy. It's easier than me traveling out to California right now. There's too much stuff going on.

SPEAKER_05 1:08

I believe you. You're a busy man.

SPEAKER_00 1:10

I mean you are too. You're traveling over here. You have podcasts down in Miami, I believe, right? Right, right. And we're in Orlando doing this one, so I'm I'm just grateful to be on here, man. I'm happy to have a conversation. You know, obviously we have some uh history together in the same organizations and some friends in common. Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 1:23

Uh maybe a few common enemies.

SPEAKER_00 1:26

Some some common enemies too, I'm sure, yeah.

SPEAKER_05 1:28

Yeah. But Tomo, let's let's start with origin of yourself. I'd like to know who was Tomo before, you know, fancy suits, cars, watches, room, because you you the money doesn't make you. You made the money. Yeah. But I want to know who were you before all of this?

SPEAKER_00 1:47

That's a man, that's a long question or a long answer maybe to a question. Um, you know, before the suits and all this stuff, you know, I I don't I'm not that guy that just wears a suit because he wants to look a certain way. I also don't wear the watches because I want somebody to look at my watch. Right. I buy shit and like cars, stuff like that. You know, my Ass and Martin's downstairs. All that stuff is not for anybody else. And it's something that I think people lost in the equation. People dress for other people, people wear the watch for other people, people buy the car for other people or rent the car for in Miami. True. We can get into that, right? All the fakeness. People do all this stuff for other people and they they lose track of themselves and they lose track of what they even like. That's the crap, and that's the crazy thing.

SPEAKER_03 2:34

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 2:35

So who was I? Um first generation uh from an immigrant family. My family came from former Yugoslavia. Um so my legal name is Tomislav Marianovic. Uh I'm a junior, by the way. Uh so my family came from former Yugoslavia. We're Croatian. Uh they moved here before I was born. I was born in California, actually, uh, where you're from. I was born in Los Angeles, uh, Arcadia. Okay. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Very Hollywood, I know. Wow. Tell by the clothing. Yeah, very, very so you know, I was born there. I grew up in Cleveland, Ohio, um, in the hood. Very nice area. If anybody's from Cleveland watching this, uh 67th and St. Clair. Nice area. It was one street basically uh of of Slavs, Slovenians, Croatians, Serbians, um, the rest of the neighborhood. Not that it's a bad thing, but it was it was a black neighborhood and it was very gang-ridden and crime-ridden, and it was a dangerous place, lots of drug dealing around there.

SPEAKER_05 3:26

Let me guess it was mostly consists of certain ethnic groups.

SPEAKER_00 3:30

Oh, it's just but it was a black community. I grew up in the black community. Oh, wow. All the time I have no problem saying that. And I loved the black community. Yeah. Bro, I had so much fun growing up in Cleveland, yeah, and I had so much fun working in that community in law enforcement. You know, but going back, you know, I grew up in uh, you know, East Cleveland, Ohio, uh, growing up in certain areas, and it taught me a lot. Taught me a lot about culture, taught me a lot about people, taught me how how to kind of mold yourself to be around different cultures and people. And I think people lose that stuff. Yeah. And that led into my law enforcement career and how I behaved in law enforcement, and also led into business later on. You know, but my early life, uh, I was around all kinds of different people, and I think it really benefited, you know. And then I got into bodybuilding at an early age, 13 years old. Uh, getting into the bodybuilding scene, competed the first time at 17. Uh, and I competed up until 2018.

SPEAKER_05 4:25

And let me guess it was old natural.

SPEAKER_00 4:27

Uh up until I was probably 32, which is when I went on TRT. Yes. Uh, that's what led to my journey. So, I mean, my journey for in hormones and everything came from bodybuilding. You know, I was I was 19 years old, I told my bodybuilding coach, and I said, Coach, I want to be Mr. Olympia. He's like, okay. Yeah. I said, I know what that means. That means I need to take steroids. Absolutely what I told him. Yeah. And he laughed, you know, scoffed at me, and he's like, okay, kid. And he told me this is 2004-ish. I was probably 18, 19 years old. Wow. Um, and he's like, go get your blood work done. Nobody's doing this in 2003, 2004. Nobody's getting blood work done to test your hormones. Yeah. You know, unless you're going to an endocrinologist. Right, right, right. So I go get my labs tested from this doctor that he suggested, and my labs came back, I was 1470 nanograms per deciliter naturally. So super high. So I'm like, you know, way above normal level. Um normal's like 980 something, I believe. It's even less than that, yeah. The the no it's people, people have been watching this through decades and it's scaling downwards. Um, you know, they would say I think the average right now in the United States is closer to 500. Wow. Yeah. And I was closer to 1500.

SPEAKER_05 5:37

Uh, I think our mutual friend of ours, he was, I think, almost hitting 200 mark.

SPEAKER_00 5:41

Yeah. Yeah, yeah. It's crazy. That's that's the level that a 80-year-old man should be.

SPEAKER_05 5:46

Wow.

SPEAKER_00 5:46

What's the environment, right? We'll get into that. So, you know, I tested, and he's like, kid, you're basically naturally on steroids. He said, Don't touch anything until uh you absolutely need it. I said, Okay, so keep doing what you're doing. So I just kept eating, kept training. But at that point, I was like, I know I'm gonna go on steroids because I'm gonna be Mr. Olympia. 19-year-old kid, dumb as hell, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah. So I started researching everything. And from that point, 19 years old, until my well, until now, really, I'm key I'm still educating myself, but until uh, you know, my early 30s when I first went on TRT myself, I studied every book. This is before the internet was the internet. This it was not as easy to get information. You didn't have Chat GPT, right? So I had to go to libraries. Anybody knows what that is? Yeah. So I had to go read books, medical manuscripts, medical journals. Um, I I read every book there was on hormones, on anabolics, on the endocrine system, on how the body dynamics work. And I did this for over a decade. That's what led me into my career. While and I was doing this while I was a cop. So I was bodybuilding, educating myself while being a police officer. Wow.

SPEAKER_05 6:51

Okay.

SPEAKER_00 6:52

And at 30-ish, 31 years old, I felt a major decline in my hormones. And because of all this education, I knew what it was. Got my labs tested, I was like 600 something.

SPEAKER_05 7:03

And it was just your diet was the same, your lifestyle was the same, but it just natural causes.

SPEAKER_00 7:08

It wasn't natural causes. I'll tell you what it was. Okay. It was my sleep schedule. Because I was working midnight shift my entire time. Cop sleep schedule is very tough. Shit. It's shit, bro. It's bad. Yeah. So I'm I'm basically working midnight shift my entire career. Because I like the, I like the night. It's when all this fun stuff happens, you know? Some people are shooting each other and stabbing each other and you know, running from cops. That's the fun stuff. Yeah. So, you know, I feel this decline, and I'm working out like a maniac. I'm eating perfectly, and I'm doing my cardio, and I'm like, I'm gaining belly fat. And I'm like, what the fuck is this? My sex drive is going away. I'm starting to feel depressed, anxious, can't sleep. I'm like, okay, these are all signs of low T. Yeah. So I'm like, let me go look. I get my labs tested a doctor, 600 something. He's like, yeah, you're normal, right, right in the range. Good job. I'm like, I'm like, no, no, no. I have every symptom in the book. I said my normal levels were closer to 1500. That's my optimal. And he's like, no, that's not possible. I showed him my old labs, because I have all my historical labs. And he's like, you must have been on steroids here.

SPEAKER_05 8:06

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 8:06

So this is what led me to go into the TRT route and the TRT clinic route. And then I got my first treatment when I was like 31, and man, did that make a difference. Immediately solved every problem. So I'm like, oh. Here we go. Yeah. At 33 years old, I leave law enforcement. I go work for a medical clinic that does TRT. It's basically a TRT men's clinic. Ended up leaving that clinic after I built it from 700 patients to almost 4,000 in nine months because social media presence. Wow. Yeah, yeah. So I built that clinic from nothing to massive. Uh, and I became an equity holder.

SPEAKER_05 8:38

Was it was it yours or was it someone else's? Someone else's. And you just worked as a sales.

SPEAKER_00 8:42

I was, I was sales marketing. I left my law enforcement career to do sales and marketing for this company. Wow. And I built that company. I got uh I think it was 19%. I don't think it was quite 20. It was 19% of the company he gave me in equity. And as soon as that happened and I got my first check, I got a phone call saying there were some bad things happening at that clinic, legal things that I can't currently discuss on camera because I'm still in a lawsuit with these people.

SPEAKER_04 9:03

Okay.

SPEAKER_00 9:04

So I had to leave that clinic and I said, well, two choices. Go back to police work or start my own clinic. And take everything that I've learned to do in the clinic business and everything learned that I've not to do. Don't, don't, don't commit felonies. Pretty easy. Pretty easy not to commit felonies, you know what I mean? If you really know what you're doing. And uh I took that route and I I had an investor at first, ended up eliminating him as an investor, and then I owned uh the entire thing. That was 2019. So 2019, I started my uh own clinic, which became Aspire Rejuvenation Clinic Now, and uh scaled from there, and it's I the rest has been history, so to speak. Yes. Yeah, so that's a that's the quick life story of what uh of what I've I'm sure you're gonna have more questions on it.

SPEAKER_05 9:47

No, I definitely we'll get deeper into that. But I want to touch spaces with so you left what a decade of entire work for uh law enforcement work. Twelve years total. Twelve years of that, and you left that to start something new just because you're like, okay, if I keep going down this path, I have to choose between health and work.

SPEAKER_00 10:07

That's not the reason I left. I left for a myriad of reasons. Um but one of the reasons really when it comes down to it was I started to hate the job.

SPEAKER_05 10:15

I started to hate my health. Everyone says that. Everyone says that.

SPEAKER_00 10:19

You know, well, it wasn't what it was when I started. I started in 2007, you know, and I I left in 2018, late 2018. Yeah. When I started, it was fun. It was about catching bad guys. It was about, you know, being a cop, catching bad guys, doing the right things, protecting people, you know, getting in foot chases, getting in car chases, like fun shit that you think about cop stuff. You know, very dangerous for 60, 70 grand a year.

SPEAKER_03 10:48

Right, right.

SPEAKER_00 10:49

You know, but it was exciting. And then it turned into a sour place for me because they basically did not want you to do your job anymore. It turned the the political climate changed law enforcement to where you no longer were supposed to go after the bad guys. You were supposed to be a kinder, gentler person. Like I literally I got in trouble for quote unquote, I swear to God. And all right, so I I'm I'm in an all-black neighborhood in Clearwater, Florida. Okay. This is where I worked my last uh my last portion of my career, my last seven years. Okay. So I'm in an all-black neighborhood where I like to work. I that's where the crime was. Makes sense. They were selling, they were selling crack and there was gangbangers and you know, guns, and I'm like, this is the spot for me. Right, right. So I get a comp I started getting complaints. I get pulled into the office by uh, I think it was my lieutenant. He's like, hey, we're getting complaints that you're harassing the black community. I'm like, the whole community's black.

SPEAKER_03 11:41

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 11:42

I said, Who's complaining?

SPEAKER_03 11:43

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 11:44

I'm like, because I'm not harassing normal residents, I'm harassing the people that are selling crack. I said, is that who's complaining? It's like, doesn't matter, just stop doing what you're doing. Because I was the guy, I would pull my car up to the substation in that neighborhood and I would walk. And like most cops wouldn't do that. Like I would walk, I'd be like sneaking behind backyards and be snatching motherfuckers off the sidewalk. Yeah, yeah. Wow. That's what we used to do. We used to get in foot chases and going after, you know, this is when it was still kind of fun. Yeah. But I would get in trouble for it. Okay. And I started getting in trouble for basically doing what I but like fighting crime. Yeah. And uh they, I mean, they took me out of that area, they put me on the east side of the city, which was all white people, and like I didn't know how to deal with white people in a law enforcement perspective. Like, I'm asking, I'm asking, like, it was like a 7:30 in the morning, traffic stop. I go up to this woman, I pull her over, she's speeding like crazy. I go up to the window and I'm like, I'm like, where you stay at? Where you where you stay at, bro, is what I said to you. Like a like a 50-year-old woman going to work at 7.30. I'm like, she's like, excuse me? I'm like, I'm sorry. Do you have your ID? You live around here, ma'am. I'm like, holy shit, I've been in the hood too long. You know what I mean? So it's funny, but it's like, you know, there that's the that's the area that I used to work in, and I I loved the area because I actually could make a difference there. Pulling a 50-year-old woman over for speeding and giving her a ticket, yeah. I'm I'm not doing anything, really. Bussing the crack dealer, right, you know, who's dealing crack to kids, or or busting the gang member who's gonna shoot somebody, and they did shoot at each other a lot.

SPEAKER_04 13:18

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 13:18

You know, I mean, that you know, I was I I walked up into shootings constantly. The people that were literally executed in the middle of the street. Wow. That's crazy, you know. So, like doing that kind of law enforcement, that's what drove me. So when they told me that I could no longer be a police officer like that, I'm like, fuck this. So I ended up getting deployed to the beach. Clearwater has a beach area.

SPEAKER_05 13:39

Okay.

SPEAKER_00 13:39

Different district. Again, white people I see? No, I got in more trouble there. Oh. Yeah, we were catching murderers and I was getting in fist fights every night. Okay. It was fun. Good times. Okay. You know, but also I seen the smoke any phase. You really know. Oh, I actually enjoyed it. Like you if if you're a real cop, like a like a real cop that actually enjoyed the job, like when you got a call, and this sounds crazy to anybody that doesn't understand this. Yeah. And Gary wouldn't know, Gary's ex-firefighter, by the way. Oh wow. Gary, when you heard there's a giant building on fire, and that's a you could you could die in that situation. Did you get excited? Of course he did. When we got a call, like shots fired, active shooter, I'm like, oh fuck yes. I'm excited, bro.

SPEAKER_03 14:18

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 14:19

Like I literally wanted to go and do that job. It's it's just a different mind. You get a little, you were a little crazy. But the the I mean someone has to do it. Someone has to do it. Right. But I mean, you may as well have somebody that wants to do it. Yeah. Instead of like, well, you have today, it's like a bunch of a bunch of puzz pudgy kids like with degrees that are cops right now. You see them. Yeah, yeah. You know what I mean? On a power trip, got bullied in high school or something. I see it a lot. Right. The days of the heavy hitters, the uh the ex-football players, yeah, you know, or the ex-military guys that were becoming cops, it's not happening anymore, unfortunately. Yeah. You know, but again, that job got sour, and uh I tried to go to the FBI. Uh I actually just did a podcast with uh someone called the IA guy, internal affairs guy. And we talked about my IA story um where I tried to go to the FBI and the agency found out, and they pulled an internal investigations affair, a bullshit one, and they ruined my chances of going to the FBI. And uh it all got basically swept away. They're like, oh yeah, you know, don't worry, kid, we're gonna we'll get you on the on the fast track up to, you know, just just make sure you follow line. Right. They didn't like me because I didn't, I didn't I didn't follow the rules. Yeah, so they were like, Oh, we'll get you in line. And they were like, you know, you're you're gonna be fine. I said, Okay, thank you, Chief. I said, Here's my resignation. Resigned that day. Wow. I'm like, Yeah. In his face. Yeah, yeah, here's my resignation. Damn. And my FOP rep's like, because I didn't tell him. My FOP's my FOP rep, who's like my union rep, he's like, What the fuck did you just do? I'm like, yeah, I'm not, I'm not, I'm not towing the line. I'm not doing this. And I left and I did that sales and marketing job, which led me into the clinic realm now. Everything happens for a reason. Imagine if they wouldn't have killed my FBI chances.

SPEAKER_05 16:01

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 16:01

And I was through the whole process. All I had to do was physical test. I passed the board interview in one try. It doesn't happen. Wow. They were they wanted me. Wow. And then I investigation put a put a stop to it. But if I would have done that, who would I be today?

SPEAKER_05 16:13

Just because you weren't like a good guy who'd listen to them and they're like, well, we won't let you know.

SPEAKER_00 16:17

I I wasn't, I wasn't, I I I know this about myself now, which FBI probably wouldn't have worked out either. Neither would the military. I want to do the military as well at one point. I I didn't like authority when it didn't make sense. So if somebody with authority came to me with a with an idea or an order and it didn't make sense to me, I challenge it. Yeah. Which it's that's what normal people would do. But when you're in a paramilitary organization, you can't do that. When your sergeant gives you an order, even if it doesn't make sense, you gotta do it.

SPEAKER_05 16:45

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 16:46

That's your job. Well, me, I wasn't that guy.

SPEAKER_05 16:49

Makes sense.

SPEAKER_00 16:50

You know what I mean? Yeah. I I I can tell you a quick story. I uh I had a situation and a sheriff's office that I worked for for only seven months when I came to Florida. He wanted me to do something called a Baker Act to a seven-year-old child uh who hit his mother's leg and was being like abrupt and violent. And what a baker act is is basically a psychiatric evaluation, forced arrestable psychiatric evaluation for a seven-year-old kid for hitting his mom. His mom called the police because she couldn't control her child. Yeah. And my corporal's my corporal's uh decision when I was on scene, I was brand new there. Yeah. He's like, Yeah, we would we would normally just bakeract this kid. I'm like, I'm not bakeracting this child. I said, there has to be other resources we can give her, maybe some after-school stuff, maybe figure out what's going on with the with the dad, where's the father? And I'm trying to like figure out something else instead of forcibly taking this child, handcuffing a seven-year-old, and then taking him for a four psych psychological evaluation at the hospital. That's what you do. And they lock him in a room and give him meds.

SPEAKER_04 17:50

Wow.

SPEAKER_00 17:51

I'm like, this is not the right call. Brutal. Corporal told me to do it. I said no. Then he ordered me to do it. I said, fuck off. Called the sergeant. Sergeant comes over. I said, fuck off. I said, if you want to do it, you do it. He called the lieutenant, the commander of the entire district that I was working in. He's like, you're ordered to do it. I said, I'm not doing it. I said, fire me, do whatever you want to do. I said, I'm not doing it. I ended up researching all the county things and basically giving her a bunch of stuff. I said, send them to these after-school programs, get them into martial arts. Um, you know, I understand he doesn't have a father, maybe try to figure out what kind of father figure you can find in these organizations, and that was my fix. But like they didn't even try. But that's my that's my thing. That order doesn't make sense to me.

SPEAKER_05 18:34

No, it was ego versus ego. Like lieutenants, all-they there they outrank me.

SPEAKER_00 18:38

I was a brand new deputy there. I was literally like three months on the job. And they were like, your order to do it. I'm like, nope. Damn. That's why I never got promoted. But it's also why a lot of cops trusted me. Like people on the street, and then when I did like joint terrorism task force stuff, and I did some other stuff that we can't talk about on camera. Uh you know, when I did some of those other things with the like federal agents and stuff like that, and some uh military guys, they were like, This this guy's this guy's good. Yeah. You know, because I'm not I'm not just gonna follow an order. I'm gonna do the right thing. Yeah. That's how I live my life.

SPEAKER_05 19:15

Uh if anyone asks you if you if a spot of rejuvenation goes like you know, IPO or anything, uh some interviewer asks you what's your superhero story, I like you to say that. Say one more time. If someone asks you what's your superhero story, that's what it should be.

SPEAKER_00 19:30

Superhero story. Got it? Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 19:31

Yeah. Because that sounded like a script from a movie. Oh, it's real life. No, I pretty sure I I believe you, but truly admirable.

SPEAKER_00 19:42

I appreciate that. Thank you. Drink some more coffee, brother. Yes, please.

SPEAKER_05 19:50

But with all that against you, you lieutenants, you sergeants, and everything, but you were still given a medal of valor.

SPEAKER_00 19:58

That was in my early career, yeah. That's uh that's a funny story. So uh I was actually on the phone with my mother, who you just met. Yes. The CFO of my company. Lovely lady, yeah. Awesome, awesome lady. She's uh she was a very, very good woman, very powerful woman. She taught me a lot. Actually, she taught me about stoicism. She was the one who taught me about stoicism at a young age. What?

SPEAKER_05 20:15

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Why because she's Slavic?

SPEAKER_00 20:19

I I you know, it was just the thing she always told me, um, because I I had a father who left early, I had a stepfather who committed suicide in my young life. So two father figures ripped out of my life very abruptly.

SPEAKER_04 20:30

Okay.

SPEAKER_00 20:30

But traumatic, right? Okay, yeah. And I had some anger issues when I was growing up, which were solved later in my uh late teens. But she always told me, she said, she's like, tell me what she's like, the only way to control the world around you is by first controlling yourself. And she would just tell me, she's like, she's like, don't react, think.

SPEAKER_05 20:49

Put that on a t-shirt, guys. Put it on a fucking t-shirt.

SPEAKER_00 20:51

I'm telling you, yeah, yeah. So I forgot where I was going with that. What was the question?

SPEAKER_05 20:55

Uh Medal of Alor.

SPEAKER_00 20:56

I apologize. Oh, yeah, okay. So I was on the phone with my mother. Yeah. And I was maybe two years into being a police officer at this point. So we're talking 2008, 9, maybe in that range. You could probably find the article and tell me the year. I don't remember what it was. Yeah. But uh, there was a house fire. And I'm on the phone with my mom, like, hey, there's a house fire, you know, whatever. And she's like, she's like, okay. She's like, uh, she's like, all right, be safe. Uh and it was early in my shift. It was, I say I started at like 10 p.m. It was like 11 p.m. And I was uh saying goodnight to her, a 22, 23 year old kid, you know, still young. And uh she was like, Don't be a hero and don't go going, you don't go running into the burning building. And she's like laughing about it. I'm like, ha ha, mom. I'm like, I'm not a firefighter. I'm like, I'm not stupid. I told her. So I go to the house, and there's one other cop car there, and I didn't see anybody in, and then I heard a woman screaming, so I ran into the house. Typical stupid thing to do in a full polyester uniform. Yeah, Gary, how does that work in fire? Yeah. So I hear women screaming, and I hear uh another Croatian guy. Guy's name is Dominic Soric. I think he uh retired now. And uh I hear him in there, I go up the stairs, and the smoke was so heavy that it was maybe three feet off the ground. It's an old woodhouse.

SPEAKER_04 22:15

Wow.

SPEAKER_00 22:16

So there's a lady crawling and he's grabbing her. So I I basically crawl, I'm army crawling, I'm dragging this woman down to the stairs. An old woman was in there as well, and she was in such pain from her knees and hips that she tried to stand up. Wow. So I quickly stood up, almost passed out, because I almost got smoke, like I almost got smoked out. And uh the smoke was so hot at that point that it was like I couldn't even couldn't breathe, couldn't see. Damn. So I ripped this old lady down. I was hoping not to hurt her, and ended up dragging her down the stairs, and we carried both these women out of the house, saved their lives. And uh I think I think the only thing that died was maybe one cat. Even the dog, even the dog got out. You know, so uh, you know, we didn't think anything of it, but we're sitting out there after you know we got them and they went in the ambulance, they had pretty bad smoke inhalation, and uh, I had the same thing, I was coughing up a storm. But uh yeah, that that was my Medal of Valor story, and I didn't think anything of it. Wow, I was just like, yeah, no, that was my job.

unknown 23:17

Right?

SPEAKER_00 23:17

Like there was somebody in a house that was burning. It's like obviously you gotta go save them. Yeah, you know, young two-year cop. But yeah, uh, when the firefighters got there, the firefighters are all looking at us, they're like, you guys are fucking crazy. You guys went in there with no protective equipment, in polyester, in a house that was very much on fire with smoke basically all the way down to three feet off the ground. Oh wow. It was crazy. And and Gary will tell you how dangerous that is. If you breathe that in for you're passed out, you're done. Not just that, you could it could have flashed over depending on how bad the fire was. There you go. Yeah, so it could have flashed over and just burned us alive. Wow. Yeah. So that's that was the Medal of Valor story. It was uh very interesting. And I didn't think anything of it, I don't even know where that medal of valor is. Like it's in a drawer somewhere. Wow. Yeah, I never I never like did it for medals, I just did it because it was the right thing to do.

SPEAKER_05 24:05

You know? Do you think there are people in law enforcement that would do shit for just medals and like on on a and just be on the stage and just look all fancy with photos and stuff?

SPEAKER_00 24:14

I think I think that's a I think that's a level of well it's like trophies, right? Yeah. Why do I mean a medal of valor, it's a trophy. Yeah. It's a cool thing. You know, but I didn't I didn't really care about it in that way. I cared more that I saved the women. The award was cool and it was whatever, and you know, I probably should have it framed somewhere because it it is meaningful. Uh but you know, I was I was never somebody who celebrated that kind of stuff. You know? I don't know why. It was just never in my mind at that point.

SPEAKER_05 24:44

Aaron Powell Maybe you didn't want to get into like the whole gist of like, oh, okay, like like a dog, you know, like you do good shit, you get a treat, you do good shit like that.

SPEAKER_00 24:52

Maybe. Yeah. I think I think it was more like um I mean I didn't like celebrating a lot of stuff when I was younger.

SPEAKER_05 24:59

Where was I still don't. I have I I don't I don't know why. Why do you think that have you evolved from that point? I have.

SPEAKER_00 25:04

I have I used to never celebrate my birthday. I used to work double shifts on my birthday every year on purpose.

SPEAKER_05 25:10

Really? Yeah, swear to go. I don't know how to celebrate any holidays, Christmas, you even my own cultural holidays.

SPEAKER_00 25:15

I just I will tell you that you you should. And I'll explain to you why. Please. It's a gratitude thing. Okay? Yeah. So I'm sorry, I'm a little bit sniffly. I was in Ohio. It was zero degrees when I left on Monday morning. Zero. No degrees. Yeah. Ridiculous. So this is why I had to learn to celebrate things and take a moment because when you work hard at something, you work your ass off at something, right? Yeah. How hard do you work all week? So most people don't deserve holidays. Most people don't deserve even a weekend.

SPEAKER_05 25:52

Please say that again.

SPEAKER_00 25:53

Most people do not deserve a weekend. Most people do not deserve a holiday.

SPEAKER_05 25:56

Yep.

SPEAKER_00 25:56

Most people do not deserve to be done with your day at 5 or 6 p.m. Yeah. Whenever you get off work. Most people should be working on our three, four hours. Because you didn't even work that hard all day anyway.

SPEAKER_05 26:09

Yep. So what are the productive hours that you actually put in? There are barely any. Maybe two if you have to count little minutes and minutes and minutes.

SPEAKER_00 26:17

There's a study about this, and they say that people that work in normal office settings, you know, like the cubicles, whatever, they do an average of, I think it was like 49 minutes of work. Wow a day. A day. Like actual work.

SPEAKER_05 26:28

Yeah, exactly.

SPEAKER_00 26:29

You know, I mean there's some jobs that you that's impossible to do that.

SPEAKER_05 26:31

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 26:32

But if you're not being monitored, or you're not like doing a call service or something like that, where you're being tracked, like less than less than an hour of actual work. Half of it is scrolling on TikTok, dicking around with some emails, doing whatever. But, you know, if you work hard, which I do, and I'm I'm sure you do. Learning. I'm sure you do. I'm sure you work harder than most people. So if you work hard, your birthday, I used to look at it in a certain way. My birthday was specific. You know, holidays are like being around family. Holidays is never about like, you know, Christmas, let's say. Well, what are you, what religion are you?

SPEAKER_05 27:07

Sikh. Sikh. I was born into, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 27:10

Okay, perfect. So um, you know, if there's a holiday where gifts are given, yes. Outside of birthdays. So let's say you celebrate Christmas. I never cared about the gift thing. I cared about the family eating together. That was more important to me. The family eating together was huge because I didn't have that growing up. Yeah. So that was the reason for the holiday. So I always celebrated those, but my birthday specifically, I used to always look at my birthday in one specific way. I'm another year older and I haven't accomplished what I wanted to accomplish.

SPEAKER_05 27:39

Yes.

SPEAKER_00 27:40

That's what that's how I looked at it. And it was such a bad way of looking at it because I'm literally putting myself down immediately and only looking at the negatives. So I flipped it a few years back, probably when I was 36 or 37. And I looked at it and I said, okay, I'm another year older. What did I accomplish? What exactly did I accomplish? What goals did I set? Where am I compared to last year? And, you know, uh AMB, always measure backwards. If you like you truly have to try to accomplish nothing, to accomplish nothing. If you understand what I mean. So you're telling me that if you look from your birthday in 2024, we're in early 2026, so 2024 to 2025, from 2024 to 2025, you're telling me you accomplished nothing? Nothing has changed. You've not made a dollar more, you have not bought a new house, a new car, you didn't go on a vacation, you did, your your child didn't learn something. You can always find a positive thing if you measure backwards properly. Now, if you only look at it from future scaping and you say, Well, I didn't accomplish this. Okay, well, why didn't you accomplish it? You know the reason. It's because you're lazy. It's because you're it's because you're lazy. It's because you didn't put the effort in. You cannot tell me that there is a person out there that spent that year putting in maximal effort and time. I have a job, I have kids. Shut up. I don't care. Everybody has a job and kids. Yeah. Everybody has bills. Yeah. Do you watch TV? Here. Do you watch TV? Yeah. If you watch one minute of TV, that's one minute you could be spending on actually accomplishing something. Exactly. The average person in America watches three and a half to four and a half hours of TV a day.

SPEAKER_05 29:38

A day?

SPEAKER_00 29:39

A day.

SPEAKER_05 29:40

And that's not counting social media time.

SPEAKER_00 29:42

No, no. I think the total screen time is seven hours or eight hours average. So eight hours of your day is spent on a screen. Wow. From your phone to TVs, whatever. But I think it was three and a half hours, four and a half hours, something like that. Um we can pull the study.

SPEAKER_05 29:54

Yeah, what?

SPEAKER_00 29:55

But you think of that, because I had a guy who asked me for advice. Well, Tomo, I want to I want to get successful and rich. This guy was on Instagram, and I berated him, bro. Because he and I was like, Well, what are you doing? Well, I, you know, I have work and then I have my kids, and I said, Oh, are you a single dad or are you married? Oh no, my wife is my wife's stay-at-home wife. I said, Okay, cool. I said, When do you get off work? It's like he said, 5 p.m. I said, when do you get home? He says, 6 p.m. It's about an hour drive. I said, Ah, it's a long drive. So he gets home at 6 p.m. I said, what do you do then? Well, I try to spend time with my kids. I said, okay, what do you what else do you do? Well, you know, I try to relax and you know, I'll spend time with my kids and do whatever. And I ask them, I ask them very simple questions. Do you watch TV? Do you read books? Do you and I ask him, what are you doing with your time? How much sleep do you need? Oh, I really need eight hours. No, you don't, you need six. You don't care about your goals enough if you sleep in eight hours. True. You know what I mean? True. If you're not maximizing your time. I sleep seven to eight hours every night. Like a baby, bro. If you saw my sleep uh sleep band, let me show you my sleep. I'll show you. So, you know, it but it but I'm telling this guy, I'm like, you are wanting success and more money, right? Yeah. So you're wanting success and more money, but you're telling me that it's more important for you to spend time with your kids, which let me tell you something right now. It's important to spend time with your kids.

SPEAKER_04 31:17

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 31:18

But if your kids are young and you have a stay-at-home wife, it is your job and your duty to provide for your damn kids and your damn wife. True. Well, I'm gonna miss so much time. Yes, you are. Welcome to being a man. Welcome to being an adult.

SPEAKER_04 31:36

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 31:36

If you want more.

SPEAKER_04 31:38

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 31:38

So don't tell me that you want more, and don't tell me that you want to make more. Don't tell me you want to make more money or be successful. Successful. That's different for everybody, right?

SPEAKER_03 31:48

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 31:48

Don't tell me that you want that, and then tell me that you're putting in no effort towards that. And you're working a normal nine to five job and you're not doing anything extra.

SPEAKER_04 31:58

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 31:59

That's what people expect. People think it's gonna be given to them. They want to get rich, quick scheme that they can do online passively for 30 minutes. That's not how this shit works.

SPEAKER_05 32:08

Yeah. Tell them.

SPEAKER_00 32:11

If you want to make money, you gotta put in time. Yeah. So, all right, you got six hours of sleep. Let's say seven. I'm gonna give you seven hours of sleep. Okay? So what does that what does that give us? 17 hours?

SPEAKER_05 32:23

True.

SPEAKER_00 32:24

Right? A day. Is that did I do that math right? Yes. 17 hours. Yeah. So 17 hours you have in a day. Work a normal job. Eight hours a day. Yeah. Commute. There's nine hours. Work out. I don't have time to work out. Shut up.

SPEAKER_05 32:39

Shut up. Shut up.

SPEAKER_00 32:41

You have time to work out. Another hour, right? So you have all this time. If you don't watch TV and screw around on the internet and screw around on, you know, all this nonsense activity, if you don't do all that, you have almost enough time for a full other job. And that still gives you time with your kids. Don't do another job. Find a hobby or passion or project that can make you money. Yeah. Because guess what? Every passion project can make you money. Yes. Every single this podcast can make you money. Yes. If you dedicate yourself to it, you're trying to tell me that if you can't, if you dedicate yourself four to five hours, let's say four to six. Four to six hours a day. If you dedicate yourself four to six hours a day, I'm not even gonna I'm gonna give you weekends off. Five days a week for an entire year, you think you're not gonna be a masterful person at this? You're gonna be so good, it's gonna be obnoxious. People are just lazy.

SPEAKER_03 33:38

Lazy. You're right.

SPEAKER_00 33:39

It's just it's it's it's baffling. Now, real quick, I'm gonna show you my sleep thing because this is this is crazy. Check us out. Restorative sleep, five hours. Look at that REM and Yeah. I sleep like a baby, bro.

SPEAKER_05 33:53

Is it just now that you think uh like the more and more like you've understood yourself with uh hormones, with like vitalization, or it Yeah. Was that the case before?

SPEAKER_00 34:05

Because you said your sleep was kind of messed up, but when you Well my sleep was messed up when I was working midnight shift because your circadian rhythms flipped.

SPEAKER_05 34:10

But what about when you were building business or Aspire and stuff?

SPEAKER_00 34:13

It depends what time we're talking about. So, you know, in the early days of building the the company, I mean, I would I would cry myself to sleep and I'd cry first thing in the morning. I have no problem saying that. And it it wasn't that I'm you know, I'm not my ego is not too big to say I wasn't completely distraught and and literally in tears daily. Because every day, during the early days and really the early years of building this business, it was so close that if I didn't make a certain amount of money that day, we're bankrupt. Every day. Every day. So imagine I would literally, I'd wake up in the morning, I'd be like, get my workout in. No matter what, no matter what my workout's in. Yeah. Me working out is like brushing my teeth. Yeah. You know? I hope everybody brushes their teeth every day. So if you don't, we have a lot of other stuff to talk about, but that's that was my that was my uh part of my day, no matter what. I don't care how stressed I am, I'm going to the gym. I don't care how shitty the workout is, I'm still doing it. I don't care how much I hurt, it's happening. After my workout, I go to the office, I literally pull into the parking garage in my very small office. My new one is downstairs below us, quite big. Bro, it's fucking gorgeous. Thank you, man. I appreciate it. Fuck. So I would go into the parking lot, and before I would go up, and I was always the first one in, before I would go up to the office, I would literally ball my eyes out in the car because I was just so stressed and like it was so tight.

SPEAKER_05 35:38

Was it like having a gun to your head every single day? Every day.

SPEAKER_00 35:41

But that was when I think about it now, it's the most fun. It was the most fun.

SPEAKER_05 35:45

Elaborate, like how it's I mean, you love thrilling jobs, and you've told us clearly that, but well, no, it was the most fun looking back.

SPEAKER_00 35:51

In the moment, it doesn't feel fun. Okay in the moment it doesn't feel fun, but when you look at it, you're like, holy shit, look what I was able to accomplish. Like I was under the gun at all times for years. I didn't pay myself for the first 18 months of being in business. I couldn't buy groceries, live with my girlfriend. Like I slept in the office. Like that was real. I actually did that. Yeah. Slept in my car. Like I that was a lot of the first year and a half in business. So but when I think about that now, it's like it's like I had to put in maximal effort. And that's what people forget. And I I'm I'm also someone who forgets that. So think about those times when you had to put in maximal effort. And and if you didn't do it this way, yeah, you're screwed. Yeah. Like you you need to do it, or you die.

SPEAKER_04 36:40

You die, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 36:42

That's that's all that that I just solve success for everyone. Yeah. If you put yourself in that position, it's like Patrick Budd David, uh, buddy of mine, who whether you like him or not, I don't care. He was one of my business coaches early on. And he told me, he said, you know, sometimes your pillow gets too soft. You get too comfortable. Right. You gotta harden that pillow, throw some rocks in that pillow. Make it a little bit uncomfortable because when you're uncomfortable and you're stressed and you're in that position, you're gonna be one of two people. You're either gonna cower or you're gonna fucking go after it. Right. Like, you ever see like uh a little tiny dog that like, you know, if you corner a little tiny dog, what does it do? It goes on its belly. Yeah, right? Scared. You're gonna retreat. Try to corner a pull. Like a good pit pull. Yeah. That thing's gonna attack you, it's gonna chew your head off. Yes. You have to be that one. That's that's the difference. So when I've become successful and my pillow's gotten too soft, I try to harden it again. Because I noticed when everything's going great, I don't feel great. I know. It sounds weird, like I have all the money in the world, doesn't matter, I'm making hundreds of thousands of dollars a month. Yeah. Like literally, that's that's where it was at. Like a hundred thousand dollars a month, but I'm not happy. Why am I not happy? Because I don't have a challenge. Men need that. And some women need that. It's not just about men. Women women do need challenges too, it's different challenges, but I can only speak from a man's perspective. Without that, we feel lost. So you have to always kind of refresh the mission, refresh the ideas, refresh what you're looking for, what you're trying to do. Man, if you if you understand how to manipulate your brain like that, holy crap. Because think about if I would have and I still have not been able to get to that hundred percent maximal effort where I was crying in the morning, crying at night, and every day I'm gonna die if I don't do this. Yeah. Imagine if I could do that mentality with making half a million dollars a month. Bro. You're unstoppable at that point. You're Elon Musk.

SPEAKER_05 38:49

Yes.

SPEAKER_00 38:50

You're Jeff Beza.

SPEAKER_05 38:51

You have to be kind of autistic to do that, too. You have to be crazy a little bit. Right, right.

SPEAKER_00 38:55

The most successful people are a little bit crazy. So if you learn how to manipulate yourself to not just enjoy the success and and celebrate the birthdays and celebrate the holidays, because you should celebrate your wins. Like everything that I have is a win. When I bought my first Lamborghini, I cared more about being approved to buy the Lamborghini than actually the Lamborghini. Like all I cared about was that I was approved for it. Yes. Yes, you can buy it. I'm like, woo-hoo!

SPEAKER_05 39:24

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 39:24

I was giddy, I got chills. Yeah. When I actually bought it and drove it away, like I didn't care as much. It's I know it sounds weird.

SPEAKER_05 39:30

No, it's like how you have the love of the game, not the reward itself. Correct. It's the same with, I don't know if you can talk about this, but same with chicks though. But like you like the process of getting them out on the date, but when you know like you have them, it's not like you lose interest, but you just you think it's attainable at that point. Like you've gotten your high off of that.

SPEAKER_00 39:49

It depends on what you're dating for. Yes. Right? Exactly. Dating for intention to marry is different than just dating to date. Exactly. Yeah, dating to date is that's sport.

SPEAKER_05 39:56

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 39:57

That's hunting. Yes. Everybody loves hunting. Gary loves hunting. You know, but he can't because he's married. Yeah. But you know what I'm saying? Yeah. But like, you know, but also he hunted for his wife. Right? When he was hunting, he hunted for his wife, but he was hunting with an intent to find a wife to get his children to have his family.

SPEAKER_05 40:15

Right, right.

SPEAKER_00 40:16

It's all about the intents. Right, right.

SPEAKER_05 40:17

Now that I'm thinking of a story too, like I did amateur boxing. Okay. Yeah, and remember, used to have good nights of sleep, eight hours. I'm like, okay, I'm gonna take this, you know, have my like genetic advantages, gonna keep the open and distance, the coaches hype you up, but when you know the other guy's putting in more work than you and you get punched in the face and literally humbled, what the where did I go wrong? And that hurts you hurts your ego to the point that you can never imagine. Yeah. Especially getting punched in the face in the ring in front of people, your own family. Yep. You have the moment of grief, as you said, and then you're like, okay, where did I go wrong? Why am I not hungry at that point? And then you have six to uh sorry, eight to six hours of sleep, running, diet, midnight nap, and then again back back like working three times a day. Yeah. That's what it comes down to.

SPEAKER_00 41:06

Sure. Well, it's like, you know, you really only have yourself to blame if you fail. Yes. You know? Now, that being said, you also need to understand that there are people better than you. Yes. And there always will be. There will be. Always. Yes. But that doesn't mean don't try to compete. Because the real the real story of life and success is that there will be dozens, hundreds, thousands of people that are better than you at something.

SPEAKER_04 41:38

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 41:38

Always. But are they gonna outwork you? Hard work beats talent all the time until talent works hard.

SPEAKER_05 41:49

So you said compete. So there's two perspectives in competition. Now it's like, okay, someone, let's say like Joe Rogan, I'm gonna just say his name. Joe Rogan is competing for UFC, and he is the build he is. Sure. Do you think him outworking anyone who is a heavyweight will get him the results he wants?

SPEAKER_00 42:07

Well, he wouldn't he wouldn't fight a heavyweight. Who would he fight, right?

SPEAKER_05 42:10

Maybe someone with the better genetic advantages, better age. So what what what I was getting to that with that is are you being the best version of yourself is the competition with yourself, or are you competing with the market out there?

SPEAKER_00 42:22

Aaron Ross Powell, If you compete with the market and you compete with everybody else, you already lost. You already lost. And and I'm not saying I'm not saying that they aren't competitors, they are. But if you don't focus on maximizing your own potential, and this is where everybody screws up, everybody tries to maximize skills or um bring a personal asset that isn't their natural gift. Like, I'm never gonna play basketball, bro.

SPEAKER_05 42:49

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 42:50

Not tall enough, way too white.

SPEAKER_05 42:52

No black.

SPEAKER_00 42:52

Oh yeah, I was gonna it is what it is, bro. Listen, they're like black men are better at basketball. Yes. Sorry, it is what it is. I don't care. Yes. Yes. They're five, they're faster, they're taller, they're stronger, it is what it is. Yes. All good. But I it you know, you have to understand what are your skills. People don't even assess this anymore. People only look at life and are like, oh, well, this guy, this guy is very successful, and he's a basketball player, and I like him playing basketball, so I'm gonna focus on basketball.

SPEAKER_04 43:25

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 43:26

Well, if you're a five foot seven Israeli guy, I'm sorry, bro. You're not gonna probably play basketball in the NBA. It's not gonna happen.

SPEAKER_04 43:35

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 43:35

Okay? It's like you have to understand what you're given. But here's the problem they get upset about that, and they're, you know, oh, woe is me, I'm never gonna get this, or they try to like go around this idea and say, well, I'm just gonna keep focusing on this thing that I know I suck at. Okay? Instead of saying, okay, well, no, I'm probably not built for basketball. I'm not even skilled at basketball. Do I like Love it? Sure. But what am I good at? I'm good at I'm good at collaborating. I'm a good talker. I'm really good at management. People like me. You kind of sound like a basketball scout or a basketball team manager. Not a basketball player. Why don't you use your passion for basketball, build your marketability for this thing, and now you can still w win your championship ring. You're not going to play basketball because you suck. Yeah. But you can still play the game of basketball by being the general manager of this team that you built based on your skills. That's all it takes. I was just watching Last Dance with Michael Jordan last night, again for the 15th time. Best one of the best documentaries. Yeah. And you know, you look at it like that, you can love something but suck at it, but there are support roles that you're really good at. So people don't people don't even assess their their maximal gifts. Like, do you know your gift?

SPEAKER_05 45:02

Yes. What's your gift? I'd say, well, being in front of the camera, speaking. Okay. Um, being wise in terms of like looking things from not one dimension, three dimensions, like as a concept, because there's no one reality in this world. Many different realities in this world. So coming moving on and forth, I believe when I started fighting, it was exactly what she said. Fighting, you want to be the most baddest dude in the room, but at the time you don't you don't think that. You're like, I'm just gonna go, the testosterone's rushing, the adrenaline is rushing. Yeah, you're like, okay, this is my sport, I'll do it. But when you keep doing it and doing, and then you start to realize how much you love it. Is this even what you want to do? Or you just went because everyone was doing the same. Yeah. And that's a moment of reflection I had. I'm like, am I ever gonna be the best UFC fighter like John Jones, or even the best boxer like Anthony Joshua, even though we did the same stats? Am I ever gonna be a new Anthony Joshua? Probably not. Do I want to be? No. What can I be good at? Then I beautiful. Wrote it down. And so important. Wrote it down, and so and so forth, and probably I'm working with a new Netflix series because I've pivoted my way into podcasting, acting, and so and so forth, and then we'll see where the journey takes you. I love that.

SPEAKER_00 46:19

So you're you're decisive on what you on what you know your skill is, right? Right. And not only that, you're detailed. Yes. Probably because you wrote it down and thought about it. Most people don't think about it. Most people just think, oh, well, they're doing this, they must have got lucky, or oh, they're this, you know, and you can try your ass off at something. Right. I I I'm trying to think of somebody, I can't think of anybody at the top of my head, but like there's certain people that can't do what we're doing right now. Yeah. They you put a camera in front of them, uh, uh they can't they can't talk. They're uncomfortable, they're sweating, they're looking around, they're shifty. I've always been very chill in front of a camera. Obviously, you are too. It's kind of whatever to us, but that's the point. The point is like, what are you actually good at? Can you tell me anybody? Give me three things that you know are you are good at, and it's like this is the this is the way to like figure out your gift. What's the one thing that you do that other people say comes easy to you? Super simple way of kind of figuring that out. So, like that's a good way to put it, yeah. If you're if you're mom, your brother, your friends, your girlfriend, if they're all like, man, that comes so like how do you how are you so good at that? Like, I you don't even practice, like you're you're you know, where did that come from? Like you're always on point with this one thing, yeah, that's your gift. Now, what you need to do is maximize it. Whatever that gift is, build everything around that gift. That's why the education system is bullshit.

SPEAKER_04 47:52

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 47:53

Education teaches you to be a jack of all trades and not a master of one. Yeah. If you are a master of this, this little circle with this pinpointed idea, and now this pinpoint idea could be this big, but everything surrounding it could be huge. Yes. And if you can understand how to target that, you're you're immediately going to be successful. People don't maximize it.

SPEAKER_05 48:15

Yeah. It's kind of sad. But I'd also like to touch bases on the AR-15 moment. Like I read a story about like a gunman pointing an AR-15 right in your face. Can you walk us through that? Like what happened?

SPEAKER_00 48:27

It wasn't right in my face, it was on the other side of a house. So there's there's probably two stories that might be getting mixed up. There was one where a gun was pulled uh and someone tried to shoot me in the face. Okay.

SPEAKER_05 48:36

Um that was a clock 17? I think it was at o'clock 19, I don't remember.

SPEAKER_00 48:40

Yeah. Um, but yeah, but that's why I can't hear so well out of this year. That's why I have really bad uh ringing in my ears. Um I have like 70% hearing loss in this year. Wow. Yeah, so if you're talking on this side of me, it's a likely scenario that I won't hear you unless you're pretty loud. Um and you'll notice, and I noticed this during COVID actually, um, during the pandemic, you know, I'm just wearing a mask, right? Yes. I read lips a lot. And I and people are like, oh, you have really really good eye contact. And I'm like, it's not because I'm staring at your gosh, I'm staring at your fucking mouth so I can see what you're saying. Like I read lips a lot because I actually can't hear very well. Right. And that was from uh when somebody tried to shoot me in the head um during an altercation uh when I was in law enforcement. Uh the AR-15 uh scenario was a it was a different scenario. Guy came out as an active shooter, um, and basically I uh I was on a corner of a building. So here's the here's the building. I'm on this corner, and he's on this corner. He ended up getting shot by two officers over here, but he came and um pointed that rifle towards me, and I was here and I couldn't see because Christmas lights were flashing. It was Christmas Eve. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, okay. So I would have that would have sucked to die on Christmas Eve. Family wouldn't have been happy about that. Yeah. But when I was right here on this side of the building, I got pulled backwards. And later on, we're doing the debrief. I'm like, hey, who's behind me that pulled me backwards? Thank you. Because I probably would have lost my head.

SPEAKER_05 50:00

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 50:00

Um, they're like, they're like, like you fell on your ass, dude. Like nobody pulled you. I felt a very distinct pull on the back of my vest that ripped me so hard off my feet that I fell on my ass and back. Like my feet went out from under me.

SPEAKER_03 50:14

Hmm.

SPEAKER_00 50:15

Yeah. Some Guardian Angel God shit right there, bro. Wow. Yeah. So, you know, that that was my and funny enough, that was my last day of uh field training at Clearwater PD. Uh that was uh, and you know, you're doing everything by the book. And if I would have done everything by the book, if I would have done it lazy, I'd be dead. Because that way that scenario started was here's the house, here's uh it's like a breezeway, kind of like a patio, but it was closed off. So when I'm coming up to this house, basically I would have, I could have, if I'm lazy, I'm just gonna walk up, knock on the door, whatever. Yeah, I'm like, hey, everybody stay out of the breezeway. I walk up, knock, knock, and I retreat back out to cover. And I'm looking around the corner, and the guy walked by the little side window next to the door, and he had pistols in his pocket and a shotgun on his back and a rifle in his hand. I'm like, oh fuck, here we go. Well what what came to that though? Uh he was a suicidal uh male, um, basically like it was a child. I think it was his I think it was a child's uncle or grandfather or something. Okay. Um I I don't remember if he was drunk or not. He ended up getting shot. I don't I don't think he I don't remember if he died or not. I think he did. Um, but basically he wanted to get killed by cops. Um suicide by cop was what I think.

SPEAKER_05 51:26

What a fantasy.

SPEAKER_00 51:27

So, you know, because he doesn't want to commit suicide, so what he'll do is he'll try to pick a fight, yeah.

SPEAKER_05 51:32

Pick a fight.

SPEAKER_00 51:35

So, you know, that uh that scenario happened, but if I would have been in that breezeway and other officers have been in that breezeway, he may have just started firing through the door and we could have died. Wow. You know, so it it's it's another lesson in life. It's like don't half ass stuff. If I would have half-assed that, if I would have done it by the book, I'd be dead. You know, so that's that's like kind of the scenario you look at it, well, if I would have half-assed starting this clinic, I'd probably be broke. We'd be closed. But it's like funny, I was I was just on the phone uh with somebody from the UK, uh, a buddy of mine you guys might see sometime on social media soon, and he was talking to me about the um possibility of us partnering up to bring my clinic, Aspire, uh, to London. Awesome. Because he already has a clinic out there and he was talking about it this morning. Is this thing sagging down? It's kind of drooping, yeah. And he was talking about this. You know, if I half-assed business, people like that wouldn't call me. But he's like, you have such a good reputation, you're the only guy that I trust in this industry. I'm like, damn, thanks. Cool, cool reputation. But that's from not half-assing it. Full ass, brother. All the time. Full ass, not half-ass.

SPEAKER_05 52:49

That's in nature though, at this point. Like it's second nature to you. Like you've learned to handle yourself in a way. I think it it's it stems from you handling your body, number one. Like you take everybody and then everything else is like it's a byproduct of your mind.

SPEAKER_00 53:03

I think, I think, uh, I think I credit bodybuilding to a lot of how I feel and behave and um and operate now. Yeah. So I don't think this thing's gonna get fixed. We gotta get a new one, Gary. So, bodybuilding in general, what does it teach you? It teaches you to suffer, it teaches you to put in an immense amount of work, and it teaches you that there is an end date. We talked about this the other day. When I would try to get in shape without an end date, I would always fail. Always. It would always be a failure. Because I didn't have an actual goal that was brutal enough to fail at, if that makes sense. And I'll explain why. When you're when I was doing bodybuilding shows, let's say my um my date was June 30th. Actually, you know what? June 24th. Um, it's my birthday. I competed on my birthday one year. Okay. Very funny. So June 24th, uh, I think this was 2017. I competed on my birthday. But knowing that I had that date, if I stepped on stage, I mean, you know what a bodybuilding show looks like. You're wearing Speedo, basically. You're basically naked on stage. If you look like shit, it's it's gonna show up. You're gonna see it. Yeah. And you should be embarrassed. Because it's not hard to get in shape. It's it's difficult, but it's not hard. The equation's easy. Yes. So with that date in mind, you have to make the pain point enough. Like if you go run a marathon, well, your your friends and family are supporting you. Well, you're gonna quit? You better achieve that marathon because everybody's been supporting and you've been training for this. So what, you're halfway through and you're gonna quit? Well, if you do that, that means you just didn't prepare. I look at this with everything. You have to put a date. People don't do this. People just set a goal. I want to be a millionaire. Cool. When? In the future. No, no, no, no. When? How? What kind of millionaire? Cash millionaire, asset millionaire, gold millionaire? What do you want to be? Give me the details of what this means to you. We just set a goal. I have uh I have a 2000, I have a late 2018 physique that I built that was probably the best shape I've ever been in. I pulled that old diet and exercise plan out, and I'm like, I think I need to do this again. And I'm sitting with Gary and sitting with Jade, and I'm like, I need to set a date. And uh I'm going to Poland, do some training with some guys, some tactical training that I uh still do. And I was like, well, it'd be cool to be in really good shape for that. Shirtless with guns all day, you know, abs sticking out, everything. So I'm like, June 1st.

SPEAKER_05 55:51

Okay.

SPEAKER_00 55:52

So June 1st, you're gonna see a 2026 version of my 2018 version body. So we're gonna see what 41-year-old or 40-year-old Tomo, almost 41, I'll be 41 in June. So you'll see what 40-year-old Tomo looks like compared to 2018, I was 33. Yeah, so 33-year-old Tomo. I'm uh I'm I'm going to try to beat the look.

SPEAKER_04 56:15

Okay.

SPEAKER_00 56:15

But June 1st, guess what happens? What? We're doing a fitness photo shoot. So we're gonna go in the gym and we're gonna do a fitness photo shoot, no shirt, short shorts. So if I look like shit, it's gonna show on the photos and it's gonna show on camera. And that's gonna be painful because you don't want to look embarrassed in front of your people. Right? You guys work out together? Well, it's it's just I mean, this is my team. Oh, okay. So if I fail at this and those pictures look like shit, and I look like a slob and I'm holding I'm holding belly fat, that's embarrassing, bro. Yes. Especially when I hit this, when I set this goal. And he's seen my 2018 picks. It's ridiculous. So it's like if you look at it and set goals like that and make the pain of failure enough, if that doesn't motivate you to succeed, you're just lazy or your goal doesn't matter to you. And most people's goals don't matter to them. We see it all the time. Here's my New Year's resolution. You don't give a shit. You don't give a shit about your New Year's resolution. You fail at that the first week.

SPEAKER_05 57:18

It's such a scam. Like the New Year's resolution and all these EC gym membership go up, and you have the fitness guys coming out like this year, you have to do this. Like, it's such a scam, bro.

SPEAKER_00 57:27

Just just make a just make a change. Don't wait for the new year. Don't don't just just do it.

SPEAKER_05 57:32

I want you to I want you to debrief this quote for me, because I heard this somewhere. So imagine how hard it is to change yourself, and now imagine how much of a fool you are to change someone else. What do you think of that?

SPEAKER_00 57:47

So you can't change other people. We know that, right? Anybody that's had an ex-girlfriend or boyfriend watching this knows you can't change people. Uh and people largely don't change. Now they can. Because there's that quote everybody says, what? People don't change. They do. I've changed. You've changed. We all change if you're if you understand that you need to change, always. And we are constantly changing. Changing yourself is simple. It's hard, but it's simple because it's just behavior. And it's just patterns.

SPEAKER_04 58:21

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 58:22

Well, okay, what do you want to change? What do people what do what do most people want to change about themselves? Easy one is to look at, I want to be in shape. I want to lose body fat. I want to have a six-pack. Yeah. It's the easiest thing to do. It's just changing your habits. If you create the habits, and what is it? How does what's the what's that quote, Gary, where it's like behaviors turn into habits, turn into routine after what, eight weeks or something like that? I forgot. There's a timeline to it. Twenty-one days. Twenty-one days. Is that what it is? Yes. Alright, so you know what I'm talking about. It's only three weeks. Yeah, yeah. So you can change the entire outcome of your future in three weeks if you just buckle down and stop being lazy. So you need to you need to do three weeks of it's gonna be hard because changing your habits is hard. If you now say, My new wake-up time is five o'clock in the morning because I'm going to go to the gym at 5 30, because that's the only time I can go to the gym. Alright, cool. You have to do it for three weeks. And then after that, it becomes routine and it becomes part of your repertoire. Yeah. It becomes part of your behavior. Changing your behavior is just changing your mind. Yeah. Now, how the hell are you gonna do that with somebody else? How? It doesn't make sense. You you can't people need to choose their own path.

SPEAKER_03 59:43

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 59:44

So if you're if if we're talking about that quote and we're talking about can you change someone else? Okay, then I'm gonna ask, I'm gonna ask anybody watching, I'm gonna ask you. Can anybody change your mind? Can anybody change you? Can anybody say something to you that's gonna change you? Or is it just that to come from within?

SPEAKER_05 1:00:00

Unless I want to find out the answer, then it only will otherwise now.

SPEAKER_00 1:00:04

But that has to happen.

SPEAKER_05 1:00:05

It has to happen.

SPEAKER_00 1:00:05

It has to happen from you. Yes. It's it's that it's that simple. It's it's impossible to change other people forcibly. Now, can you inspire them? 100%. We do it all the time. Yeah. You're doing it on your podcast, I guarantee it. You know, I do it on mine, I do it on social media, we do it talking to people, we do it walking by. I get inspired by people all the time. I get inspired by I got inspired by an overweight male and female couple uh two mornings ago. Or was it yesterday morning? What day is today? Yeah, yesterday morning. Yeah. Yesterday morning I got inspired by this by this couple, and they were in here working out together, and they were both very overweight. But they were in there in their gym clothes, sweating their ass off, working. That inspired me. That was I'm like, I'm like, they're in here putting in the work. It's February, it's middle of February.

SPEAKER_04 1:00:54

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:00:54

That ain't a New Year's resolution thing. They're still going. You know, and it made me want to help them. You know, it made me want to say, hey, what's your guys' goal? Hey, what are you guys doing? Hey, can I help you with anything? And I talked to the guy in the locker room, and he's already got, you know, he's on TRT, he was like late 30s, and he's doing all this stuff, and you know, I'm like, excellent. And it wasn't to try to sell him to my clinic or bring him here. It was just trying to figure out, hey, how can I help this guy? Because he inspired me to work harder because they're they're starting here, starting at the bottom. Yeah. And they got to work themselves up. And they probably look at me, and if they're good people, they get inspired. If they're shitty people, they talk shit.

unknown 1:01:39

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 1:01:39

It's one or the other.

SPEAKER_00 1:01:40

There's really no middle ground.

SPEAKER_05 1:01:41

Right, right. You know? You mentioned something about having a guardian angel. Are you religious at all?

SPEAKER_00 1:01:48

I grew up Roman Catholic. Okay. So I grew up Roman Catholic. I don't practice religion anymore, but I pray every day. And I consider I pray uh before I go to bed, and it's more gratitude. So when I pray, I don't ask for things. When I pray, you know, most people pray.

SPEAKER_05 1:02:06

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:02:06

Please, God.

SPEAKER_05 1:02:07

Please, yeah. Please help me do this. More like begging, yeah. It is.

SPEAKER_00 1:02:11

Well, that's it's that's that's their prayers. When I pray, I practice gratitude. Thank you, God, for my lessons. Thank you, God, for my stress today. Like I seriously, that's that's it's lesson I before I went to bed. Thank you for my stress today, so I can I can learn something from it. Thank you for the anxiety over this situation. You know, and I'm like, thank you for this bed. Thank you for this house, thank you for the food. Gratitude is a is a form of prayer. So, you know, I I would say that I believe in the in the uh in the Christian God, which is also technically the Jewish God, also the Muslim God. Yeah. It's all the same thing. Yeah, yeah. They're all they're all Abrahamic religions. Yes. And this is gonna piss people off we if we put this out there, which is I love. I say this on multiple podcasts. It's true.

SPEAKER_05 1:03:00

I mean I don't I don't blame you, but I don't know why people do get so sensitive over their religions, like, oh, you just offended them, but like you're right.

SPEAKER_00 1:03:07

People are like, no, no, the the Muslim God is not the Christian God. I'm like, nope, it is. Literally the exact same God. Yes. The sons of Abraham. Like, well, you know, well, the Jewish one is not the same one. Nope, it is. They build on each other. Judaism, Christianity, and then Islam, they literally build. It's like a linear thing.

SPEAKER_05 1:03:28

Why do you think it's so much separation though? Like, why can't we just one thing? Like, why?

SPEAKER_00 1:03:33

Because it is one thing, it's politics. It's politics. Brother, it's politics. It is what it is.

SPEAKER_05 1:03:40

I I want someone to say that. Like people listen to you, and I actually want my one of my guests like who has the knowledge, who have done their research, who who knows what goes behind that, because it's not just like they sell in an emotion, they sell like, okay, this is what you're supposed to do to be good, and you you have a fear of not going to hell and greed of going to heaven. Yeah. And that's what it is. And now can they can justify their actions on people based on religions, and at the end of the day, I don't believe in any religions you can't be merciful. I mean, they they think they can come out and apologize, no, and there's clean plate.

SPEAKER_00 1:04:19

Let me let me tell you something how I feel about religion, heaven and hell, all this stuff. So here's how I think of it. So there's, you know, there's uh there's extremists in every religion. Right. We'll just put that out there. Yes. Okay. And there's atrocities from every religious order. Um, you know, and I'm not singling anybody out, you know, but there are some extreme Islamic people that have done some horrible things. And Christians always cite this. I'm like, you guys really don't study your history, do you? I'm Roman Catholic. I know what the Catholic Church has done. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. Look at the Crusades. There were several. Yes. We killed millions and millions of people with the name of Jesus Christ. Yep. It's the wrong thing. I don't care what anybody says, it's the wrong thing. Oh, blasphemy. Cool. Fuck yourself. Yeah. Because when I look at God in my way and I see God and I'm like, so if I'm a good person and I treat people well and I help people and I and I give charity and I'm honorable, you know, and I make mistakes. Yeah. Like everybody else. Yeah, yeah. But I am truly a good person because I'm this religion and not this religion, I don't get to go to heaven. God is gonna fucking punish these people that think this. He is going to punish people that think this shit, to think from a Christian perspective, that Muslims go to hell, or from a Jewish perspective that Jewish people think Christians are going to hell because they they follow Jesus. Yeah. Now, you know, I'm not gonna get into the by the way, I've read every religious book every multiple times. Okay? Yes. So, you know, I'm not gonna get into the nitty Of this, you know, on what monotheism uh theism is and how Christians are technically a little bit more polytheistic because they're worshiping both Jesus and God. Yes. And then the Trinity part kind of gets really muddled, and we can go into the Council of Mycia and how the Bible was written and all this stuff. But we're gonna leave that alone. But you know, when you look at it, I believe there's a heaven and hell. Uh-huh. I believe there is. Whether I'm wrong or not doesn't really matter. No one knows. Because when I die, it's either nothing or it's something. Something, yeah. So I try to be the best person that I can, live with honor, live with integrity, treat people well, and I know by doing that that I'm gonna go to heaven. I know that. Because if there is a just God out there, which I believe there is, that just God is going to see that I was a good person, regardless of what church or mosque or synagogue I went into. And by the way, I've prayed in all of them to the same God. Some churches, I feel nothing. Some churches, I feel everything. Every mosque, I felt something. I felt the presence of God in every mosque. Um, only one synagogue I ever have, and that was in Bosnia. Uh, and I'm like, you know, they're all religious and they're all holy. I may not agree with everything surrounding every religion, right? But I've also been to Buddhist temples. Man, did I feel something. I was like, whoo, am I to convert to Buddhism? No. I don't care to. It doesn't, I don't have to follow a sect. Yes. I don't have to follow one thing. And they may say, someone actually commented on a on a video that I did and they said, well, tell them what it sounds like you're just making your own religion. Okay.

unknown 1:07:51

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:07:52

Does that bother you? Yeah. I I don't care.

SPEAKER_03 1:07:54

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:07:55

You know? And like I don't have my bag with me, but here. I have a cross right here.

SPEAKER_05 1:07:59

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:08:00

In my bag, it's probably in my car. I have a pocket Quran. Yeah. Okay. I've read the Quran nine times. Wow. I've read the Bible probably twenty times. Wow. Uh I've read the uh Torah a few times. Never read the Talmud. I've read a Buddhist book a couple times. Um what else did I read? There was uh what was what's the what's uh there's a cool old religion that kind of predates all Zoroastrianism. Never heard of it. Predates everything. Okay. Zoroastrianism predates all religions. Predates, okay. Predates. Yeah. It's the oldest religion that we kind of like that was organized. How many years? Old? Oh, it's thousands of years older than Christianity.

SPEAKER_05 1:08:44

What about Hinduism, I believe.

SPEAKER_00 1:08:46

Hinduism is pretty old.

SPEAKER_05 1:08:47

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:08:48

Hinduism dates back to, I don't know, like well, so Zoroastrianism was more regionally based, uh, I believe, where Judaism and Christianity There you go. Yeah. So Eastern religion and Western religion are very different. And Eastern religion, there's some old stuff out there. And you know, so what, all those Eastern religions? They're all going to hell? You're telling me the Buddhist monk's going to hell? The Buddhist monk's going to hell. Really? Because it doesn't believe in Christianity. Or Islam. Yes. Or whatever. Yeah. Sorry. That sounds stupid to me.

SPEAKER_05 1:09:20

I just I can't go with it. But how can you explain that to a person who's so deeply rooted? And especially, I haven't seen this in Christians. Yeah. But in Islam, I have seen that people are really like tight about their minds and they have like the blinders on. They wouldn't even listen to you.

SPEAKER_00 1:09:35

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 1:09:35

They wouldn't even listen to whatever you have to say. And I I had a friend and I was like, okay. These are these are Muslims?

SPEAKER_00 1:09:41

Yes. Interesting. Because every Muslim that I interact with, they're they're very tolerant of other religions that I see. Um probably mostly the Abrahamic religions. Yes. Because they all have the same prophets for the most part.

SPEAKER_05 1:09:54

Yes. But again, I but then also the the fact that I think that differentiates because people like Muslims are met like back home in India, or Muslims are met here versus Muslims are met in different countries. I've seen the one thing is they're all actually different than each other. I'm like, how is that possible? The book is the same, the Quran's the same. Yep. It's who is grooming you, who's teaching you. You think your mother knows the best? You think your father knows the best? They don't. You think your your preacher, pastor, the the person who's giving you a speech he knows the best? I don't think so. Because people. Yeah, because the people or the person who wrote the Quran wrote it in a frequency, in a mindset which you might not be able to comprehend. You will understand and interpret that information according to your mindset, your frequency. Your upbringing. Yes. And then you will want to hear and want to read what you want to learn and read. Correct. Not the person how he's teaching.

SPEAKER_00 1:10:46

Correct. So, you know, it's so individualistic, which is why people should be very tolerant. Now, we're not talking about the extreme sides. We're not talking about the sides that are that are like breeding negativity. Yeah. Because they're all bad. I don't care if you're a Christian, a Muslim, a Jew, Hindu, whatever. Don't care. Yeah. I don't care if you're any of those. If you're a bad person and you demean other people because of their religion, you're an asshole. I don't like you. Yes. If you're telling me that Muslims are bad and all Muslims get out and they're the devil and they worship the devil, first of all, you're just ignorant as hell. Zero tolerance whatsoever, and you're bought into something that you don't even actually understand. Yes. And most of these people don't even know the history of it. Most people have no clue what the history. I had somebody that told me they didn't know that Jesus was a Jew.

unknown 1:11:40

Yes.

SPEAKER_00 1:11:41

Gary, I swear to God, somebody got an argument with me, and I'm like, what religion was Jesus? Because they were arguing with me. Yeah. I'm like, what religion was Jesus? He was a Christian. I said, holy shit, we have a lot to talk about. I'm like, Jesus was a Jew. Yeah. He's the leader of the Christian church. I said, who did who did Jesus pray to? God. Who do you pray to? Jesus. Ah! Gotcha! Right? You know, so it's like it's really it's really weird. And I don't like to get in these conversations too much because people get really heated. Yes. And they get really offended, which they shouldn't. Because I just wanna I just want to get people to understand that we are way closer than anybody realizes, especially in the Abrahamic religion side. So you see Muslims fighting Jews, Jews fighting Christians, Christians fighting both, they're all fighting each other. Yes. They're literally cousins. Like they're cousin religions. Yes. You know, they all believe a little bit something different. It's the same God. It's the same God. I don't care what you say.

SPEAKER_04 1:12:48

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:12:49

You're wrong if you don't think so. It's literally the same God. They all build on each other.

SPEAKER_04 1:12:53

Okay.

SPEAKER_00 1:12:53

Same prophets. The same prophets to the Jews were carried over to the Christians, the same prophets to the Christians carried over to the Muslims. It's all the same thing. There's small variances, but you can respect them all. Shouldn't be fighting. The reason we're fighting is politics, and people buy into the politics of religion. Yes. And that's the number one thing that people need to understand. You see politics in America, left versus right. Yes. We're way closer than we realize. Yes. Now you have extremes, and the extremes are what you see. And guess what? The left extreme, idiots. Yes. The right extremes, idiots. It's the same with religion. This part in the middle is where everything actually is happening, and people are lost because they're only paying attention to what media feeds them and to what social media feeds them. Correct. And they're not sitting down having conversations like this. Yes.

SPEAKER_05 1:13:49

What do you what's your perspective on uh if you have read Quran, what's your perspective on the man or the woman has to convert for the religion if they want to marry a Muslim?

SPEAKER_00 1:13:59

I understand the reason behind it because it's a cultural thing. And I don't have a problem with it. And you know what I mean? But also, people also don't do that, right? I mean, I I know you're supposed to. Yes. Um, and there's a reason for it, and it's it's so it's so culture and tradition can pass on. Because you're supposed to do the same thing with Orthodox. If you get married in the Orthodox uh Christian Church, both parties should be Orthodox Christian. Okay. And you can't get married in the church, in an Orthodox Church, unless you're both converted to Orthodox Christianity. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Catholicism, same thing. So Islam is the same thing. I'm sure Judaism is the same thing. Yeah. So, you know, that makes sense. It's not because, you know, you're you're like, how do I say this in a in a way where it's not misinterpreted? You're not like stabbing uh, you know, your religion in the back to go to a new one. It's just you are understanding that from this cultural perspective, uh like going from Christianity to Islam is a is a much different culture.

SPEAKER_05 1:15:03

Oh yeah. There's different regions are totally different.

SPEAKER_00 1:15:05

There's different rules. Yes. There's different rules, different systems, there's different things in place. If you do that, are you a bad person? No, I don't think so at all. I think you're making a choice for the future of your family. Yes. But you have to do it all the way. Yeah. Don't don't half-ass it. Yes. Again, right? Yes. And the same thing. If you're a Muslim and want to convert to Christianity, let's say, you know, you're a Muslim man and you and you find this orthodox Christian woman and you know, you guys decide together that you're both going to go the Orthodox way, it's still the same damn God. Yeah. It's still the same God. Yeah. You're just worshiping slightly different. Yeah. That's that's what I try to tell everybody. But understand the culture is different. Yes. So you're either going to go this culture or this culture. It's not wrong. Yeah. Right? Yeah. It's a choice. And people people are able to make that choice freely.

SPEAKER_05 1:15:54

True. But now you're like, you can't half-ass it. You have to full ass. Full ass. Understand that. But also if you're full assing at, let's say you full ass your own religion, let's say if you're a Muslim, you're a Christian. Sure. You have to go, you're like, okay, I'm gonna have to convert. But as if you've read the Quran, there are nitty-gritty things of like if someone who is not a believer in Allah will face burn of hell. Sure.

SPEAKER_00 1:16:17

Well, what is Allah?

SPEAKER_05 1:16:19

Okay, the God. They say a different name, yes.

SPEAKER_00 1:16:22

Yeah. So Allah. Uh what's Allah means and people think this is a different God. This is why this gets so confused. Yes, yes, you're right. Allah in Arabic means the God.

SPEAKER_05 1:16:30

The God, yes.

SPEAKER_00 1:16:31

Jesus spoke Aramaic, right? Mm-hmm. So Jesus spoke Aramaic. You know how you say God in Aramaic? Illah.

SPEAKER_05 1:16:38

Illah, okay.

SPEAKER_00 1:16:39

Same same word. Same shit, yeah. So when God worshipped, or when Jesus worshiped God, because Jesus was a real person, by the way. This is not a fairy tale. Jesus was real. Yeah. Okay? So when Jesus worshiped God and he was speaking in his native tongue Aramaic, he was saying, Praise be to God, praise be to Illah. It's just a word. It means the God. So what's cool about Islam that I love about it, and I love Islam as a religion and as a people, I I have very warm and very impactful feelings.

SPEAKER_05 1:17:12

It's beautiful. People are warm. It is beautiful. People are nice. They're so nice, so respectable, so hospitable. The food. 100%. Right.

SPEAKER_00 1:17:18

Yeah, and I've I felt the same in Orthodox Christian and Catholicism. And you know, again, there's good and bad people everywhere. Right? But what I love about Islam, and I don't remember, I don't remember exactly where this is in the Quran, but it's it talks about Judaism, Christianity, and Islam. It talks about Islam being the end, how it's how it's like this was the migration of the religion.

SPEAKER_05 1:17:39

Right?

SPEAKER_00 1:17:41

And it says uh it says in there that if you read and believed everything in the Old Testament, it is right. And if you read and believed everything in the new in the New Testament and in the Christian in the Christian Bible, it is also correct. And now you're supposed to also believe everything that is correct in the new one, in the Quran. So it's like it doesn't say push away the Christian and Jewish books. It says those are also correct. And you should believe in those too, but there is a building of it. So in the Quran, it says like there, there is tolerance for this, because in the Quran they understand that it is all the same God. That's what I love about it.

SPEAKER_05 1:18:22

Okay.

SPEAKER_00 1:18:22

And I and I love that it it goes there. And when I read it the first time, and I mean, you know, I'm I'm reading uh the surah about uh Mary, about the Virgin Mary. Yeah. I'm reading the surah about, you know, and Jesus has mentioned how many times? Hundreds in the Quran. And I'm like, oh. I'm like, this just feels a lot like what I've already known about Christianity. That's the first time I read it. By the way, the first time I read the Quran, it was in a negative tone. Because I was a cop working in anti-terrorism. Okay, and the bad guys were Muslims. And I was taught in America to hate Muslims. Yes. And I I'm ashamed that I was there.

SPEAKER_05 1:18:58

Oh, you did you did you knew any better at that point? I didn't know anybody.

SPEAKER_00 1:19:01

But that's what most of America is.

SPEAKER_05 1:19:02

But you they're innocent. Like the and the media takes advantage of their innocence.

SPEAKER_00 1:19:05

Correct. And and if people just get out of their own way, they realize that it there are beautiful people in all these religions and all these places. Yeah. There are just evil actors in them as well. And you shouldn't differentiate them based on a religion, you should differentiate based on the person. If you differentiate these people instead of an entire religious group, it's like the ultimate form of bigotry. Yeah. It's like everybody's like, oh, crying like, oh, racism is so bad and this and that. What you're doing the same shit. You're being a bigot against an entire religion with billions of followers and saying they're all bad because they're Muslims. And and same thing. There are Muslims out there that are on the extreme side. Everybody's bad because they're Jewish. Everybody's bad because they're Christian. Really? All of them? That's a lot of people. It's a lot of people to demonize. It doesn't make sense.

SPEAKER_05 1:19:56

Half a billion of the world, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:19:58

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 1:19:59

True.

SPEAKER_00 1:20:01

Yeah, it's a it's a it's such a fun conversation. I love, I love religious conversations. I love historical and religious conversations. It's like it's my thing. Yeah. I've I've looked at it for for years and years, since I was a young kid. I would watch and read about historical items, religious items, and cultural items. Because they're all so intertwined. You know? Like, you know, when you when you look at uh how Asia was formed, and Asia's much older than the West.

SPEAKER_04 1:20:31

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:20:31

You know, I'm talking about Europe. Yes. It's the West it's the West, right? Yes. Um, compared to Asia, and you look at how all of that transpired and how all of that kind of came about, it all comes from one thing. It just spread out. And and these guys started doing something a little different, these guys started doing something a little different, but you can still see the core of it. The core of Christianity, Islam, Judaism, that core, if you just look back far enough, it's the same core. So is most of Europe. The Americas is a mishmash, right? Okay. Yes. It's a mix of giant mix. You know, because the people that were here, unfortunately, were all killed pretty much. Yes. Yes. You know, the Native Americans that were here.

SPEAKER_05 1:21:12

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:21:12

But where do they come from? I love the history about it. Yeah. And I love how culture develops. But people need to stop just fighting each other over everything and just start kind of just looking at people as people. Good people are really easy to spot. So are bad people. Yes. It's not hard to see an evil person if you're paying attention.

SPEAKER_05 1:21:34

I like how you said about like it's about people at the end of the day, but the politics have separated you because they want to feed off your separation, not your unity. Because if you get united, then they're in trouble.

SPEAKER_00 1:21:45

Oh, could you imagine?

SPEAKER_05 1:21:46

Just think if think of that for a second.

SPEAKER_00 1:21:48

Could you imagine if if could you imagine the people united against the real tyranny of the world? These governments? The Epstein list? You know what I'm saying? But I think I mean really think about it. Like, could you imagine if if the people actually united and went after the real evildoers of the world?

SPEAKER_04 1:22:08

Woo!

SPEAKER_00 1:22:09

Yeah. Can get real crazy, real quick.

SPEAKER_05 1:22:12

Damn, really. You're right. Um I was gonna say, yeah, if you if you like religious conversations, I'm sure this is the end of it when people are like, okay, who created Jesus and God? Who created God? And then you're like, okay, then your mind just doesn't stop. It just keeps going on and on. What do you say to those people? Or like what answers do you have to that?

SPEAKER_00 1:22:32

Oh, I don't. If I knew, I would be, I'd I'd be, you know, I'd be a very important person in this world if I knew the answer to that, right? So what is God? Um it's a belief. Have I felt the presence of God? Yes. Do I know that was the God that I think the god is the god? I don't know. If you look back far enough when it was, you know, polytheism, people believed in many gods. Yeah. Is there actually many gods? I have no idea. I believe there is one God. I could be super wrong.

SPEAKER_05 1:23:06

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:23:06

And I'm okay with that.

SPEAKER_05 1:23:07

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:23:08

You know, like you you look at you look at uh Norse mythology. You look at I mean the uh what is it, uh Hindu? Hindu mythology, yeah.

SPEAKER_05 1:23:18

They're like thousands of gods.

SPEAKER_00 1:23:19

They still have thousands of gods. Yes. They still believe that today. Yes. And all gods play a part. Is that the real answer? I don't know. Wouldn't it be cool if it was versus just thousands of gods? Maybe, yeah, that'd be sick. Yeah. It like I think when I look at religion, they're all right. And they're all wrong. But I don't know. You know what I mean? So it's like, why do I care so much about which answer is right?

SPEAKER_03 1:23:47

Right.

SPEAKER_00 1:23:49

Have a belief, follow that belief. I would say don't be a zealot for it. I would say understand that every single religion out there, yes, every single one, there's not one that doesn't preach pretty much the same basic concepts. Be a good person. Yeah. They all have the same concept. If you're good, you will have a good afterlife. If you're not good, you will not have a good afterlife for those that believe in afterlife. Yes. Some people don't believe in afterlife at all. Yes. Some some religions. Yeah. Some religions believe you'll be reincarnated. Wouldn't that be sick? Yeah. I'd love to have another go at this. Yeah. Have another, have another, you know, 130 years. I plan on living to 130, by the way. Wow. That's where that's where I plan on dying. 130-ish.

SPEAKER_05 1:24:36

Yeah, like Brian Johnson?

SPEAKER_00 1:24:38

Brian Johnson's uh interesting experiments. Um they're saying I actually saw a hilarious, uh, a hilarious meme on on Instagram the other day. And it was Brian Johnson, uh, you know, and he tests everything, obviously. They were saying his expected age of death is like 105. And then it shows that's what that's what he's saying. Okay. And uh and then there's a picture next to it, and it showed this old Italian guy who smokes cigarettes and drinks wine all day sitting on the beach. Expected age of death, 130. There's a lot that goes into how long you live. And uh they're figuring out that stress is probably the number one cause of death. The less you stress, the longer you'll live.

SPEAKER_05 1:25:15

What's the difference between stress and pressure?

SPEAKER_00 1:25:19

Uh have you ever heard the term eustress? U-stress. EU stress, it's a psychological term. There's distress, you know what distress is. Yes. So distress, bad stress. Yes. U-stress, positive stress. What's the difference? Everybody knows the difference. What is good stress? Good stress is my wife's going into labor. Oh my god, my wife's going into labor. It's a stress, a heaviest amount of stress, right? Because oh my holy shit, my baby's about to be born. Good stress. A positive ending. Bad stress. My family member just died. Nothing good about that.

SPEAKER_04 1:25:55

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:25:56

Right? It's but it's stress. Stress with a positive outcome happens all the time. People mistake it as bad. People mistake good stress as bad stress constantly. It's crazy to me. You are supposed to feel stress, but when you say pressure, what you really mean is you stress. It means positive stress. That pressure is good, and you should build that around your life always. But you also have to understand that you need to decompress, you need to relax, you need to find things and do things that make you feel calm because you still can't be in you stress all the time either. You know, they're like, oh, I'm I'm you know, like the typical entrepreneur on Instagram, right? I'm gonna grind, I'm grinding. What does grinding do? Sounds gay. What but what does it do? What does it do, right? Yeah, grind.

unknown 1:26:43

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:26:43

When you grind stone, what happens? You're breaking it. It's breaking into dust. You are you are you are diminishing that stone. When you grind anything, you are wearing something down. Understand that that concept is stupid. You have to have rest, you have to have recharge, you have to have enjoyment in your life, which is why I told you earlier. Celebrate your birthday, celebrate your holidays. Yeah. Enjoy vacations. You know, I take a lot of vacations. Okay, I don't take a lot of vacations. I do a lot of travel, Gary can attest. Do we enjoy during that travel? Absolutely. Do we also work during that travel? Absolutely. I almost work more when I'm traveling than I do, you know, when I'm here.

SPEAKER_04 1:27:23

Wow.

SPEAKER_00 1:27:23

You know, but I have learned that you have to, you have to first recognize that there is good stress and and accept that that stress is good. Understand that bad stress is there for a reason as well, is to build resilience, but don't live in those too long. People live in bad stress too long because they they constantly are you do you understand how your body um how your how your internal body reacts to stress? So let me tell you. So if a stress situation happens, let's say somebody comes in here with a gun. Yeah. And I have to, you know, whatever, we have to defend ourselves. Yes. Gonna win, obviously. Yeah, obviously, yeah. So, you know, so we win. Um, stress situation. But let's say it's traumatic for one of us. For me, probably gonna be excited about it because I'm psychotic, right? Um, so you know, I I forget about it and I don't relive that moment, but let's say uh I can't I can't single either of you guys out. Let's say there's another person in this room who's not as you know good with their stress. Yeah, they're traumatized by it. It's a scary situation for them. When they relive the moment in their mind, their body, from an adrenaline standpoint, from how their hormones respond from an organ standpoint, from their blood pressure, their cholesterol, everything, their brain functions, their serotonin levels or dopamine, their body reacts in the exact same chemical format from remembering it as they do from actually going through it. So people that relive these bad stresses and they relive these traumatic incidents, they put their body through the same system response over and over and over again. So not only are you reliving it mentally, you're also destroying your body by doing this. You're also making your body go through the entire thing over again and you don't even know you're doing it. Wow. So whether you're living in this eustress moment or this distress moment, let it go as fast as you can. Live it, and then go on with your damn day. There's so many stories I can tell. The one that I've told before is that, you know, when I lost like a quarter million dollars on an investment, and all my I'm sitting at a table. Actually, I think I was sitting at this table. I was sitting at this exact table in the old office, and I have my CPA, I have uh one of the accountants, I have somebody else on a Zoom, and we're going over the fact that we lost this money. I said, and they're all freaking out. Ah, fuck, you know, I think oh yeah, this is this is bad. I'm like, okay. I said, you know, is the company st are the are the company still, is my holding company still okay? Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's okay. Like, do we have to fire anybody? No, no, no. Okay, is anybody like losing their house or going hungry? No. And my next words were exactly this Isn't it fucking cool we can lose a quarter million dollars and nobody loses anything? They're like, what the fuck is wrong with you? This was my actual reaction. I'm like, well, what did we do? We learned that we can lose a fortune because a quarter million dollars to somebody is a fortune. Yeah, we can lose a fortune of money and still be great. And everybody's okay. And we all have houses to sleep in and food in our tables, our kids are fine, and everybody sells a job. That's fucking cool. And also, we learned a lesson. We learned we're not gonna invest in this type of business again. We're not gonna invest outside of our scope of businesses. It's a lesson. They're in a distress mode. I'm in a use stress mode. I looked at it as an opportunity. Okay. And I looked at it as a check mark of I can burn $250,000 and not fucking lose sleep. Sick!

SPEAKER_05 1:31:08

That's a sucks, sick way to look at it.

SPEAKER_00 1:31:10

I like it's but that's the only way to look at it. It's how you frame it.

SPEAKER_05 1:31:13

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:31:14

How you frame things. What do you what are you gonna frame any situation? Now it's tough to do when like, you know, a family member dies. Yes. But death is real. Yes and it's something that everybody deals with. We're all gonna die.

SPEAKER_05 1:31:23

Inevitable.

SPEAKER_00 1:31:24

We're all gonna die. Yeah. Hopefully it's at a ripe old age. Right? Yeah. Hopefully you get to do that, you know, uh, God willing. But if it's not, okay. What'd you learn? Well, I'm super sad my father, my uncle, my whatever, this person died at an early age. Yeah. Yeah, that's that is very sad. I'm sorry you're gonna miss them. How did they die? Heart attack. How old were they? 50. Why did they die of a heart attack at 50? Where's your lesson? Do you want to live the same life as your father? Or your uncle? Why do they have a heart attack? Well, they were overweight. Why were they overweight? They didn't exercise, they didn't eat right. Sounds like you have something that you need to fix in your life if you're living the same life they are. Correct. I'm not saying that you can reframe everything like this. Some things are just tragic. Tragedy is lessons as well. And it's lessons in resilience. Because even when tragedy strikes, and the most horrifying, most horrible thing can happen in your life, how do you move forward? And if it's something like losing a loved one, no matter who it is, would that loved one that is lost, would they rather you sit there and sulk and in sorrow and relive this moment and relive this pain and destroy your body and destroy your life, or would they want you to keep going? It's a simple equation to me. I look at things a little bit differently. You know, some will call that a little bit cold. But I don't want to live in a stressful moment more, even a second more than I have to. Cry, yell, punch a wall, punch a punching bag. I I don't give a shit what you have to do to deal with it. But I'm sick of people playing this victim thing for so long. There's still people that are like, well, yeah, I'm messed up because of my father. Look, that was 30 years ago. You're fucking still on this? Like you're still here? You're letting something from 30 years ago haunt you and destroy you? Yeah. Well, I hated my father and he was this and that. Okay. Well, he's still doing it to you because you won't let it go. You haven't even moved past like it's not hard. It's not hard. Okay, no, it's hard, but it's simple. Yes. It's supposed to be hard. Everything in life is hard. The simplicity of it is cool. Feel it, accept it. If you want to forgive, or you don't want to forgive, or you don't want, but it doesn't matter. But just move the fuck on.

SPEAKER_04 1:34:05

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:34:05

That's all I'm asking for anybody. Stop holding on to everything in your life. Go relax. Go paint. Go walk on grass. Go jump in the ocean. Go do something that makes you feel good inside.

unknown 1:34:19

Correct.

SPEAKER_00 1:34:20

People just sit here and they spin in this perpetual cycle of woe is me, and this is hard, and I'm sad, and their body reacts in kind. Yeah. And they end up dying early because stress is the number one killer of everyone. Yeah. It's proven.

SPEAKER_05 1:34:38

Let's let's tap now we're talking about entrepreneurship and everything else. Let's let's let's talk about like how close did you actually get to losing it all? Because you lost a quarter million dollars and you were working like it was gun to your head. But like how close were you to losing it all?

SPEAKER_00 1:34:54

Uh in the early years, every every day.

SPEAKER_05 1:34:57

For how long?

SPEAKER_00 1:34:58

About about 12 to 18 months.

SPEAKER_05 1:35:02

And did you ever, even for a second thought, like if this doesn't work out, I'm doomed? Or was Of course I had to.

SPEAKER_00 1:35:11

You have to think like that. Yeah. You know, but here's the other thing. I didn't think it, I didn't think it like I didn't think it in a way of like, okay, can this all go to shit? And can I can I lose everything? Yes. Did that mean I was gonna stop? No. And here's the way that I thought about it. What's the worst that can happen? I go bankrupt? Who cares? I at that point when I'm building this, I don't have a wife, I don't have any kids, nobody's dependent on me. I'm just trying to do something. Yeah. So if I fail, all I'm failing is myself. But if I don't try, it's already a failure. Yes. What's the worst thing? I'm not gonna die. My family's not gonna let me starve to death.

SPEAKER_03 1:35:56

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:35:56

You know, I can't afford groceries, but if I really need a groceries, I can have somebody help me. Yeah. You know, but the the difference is like you have to understand that you can fail. But that's what's fun about it.

SPEAKER_05 1:36:12

Uncertainty. It makes you feel more alive.

SPEAKER_00 1:36:14

But if it was easy, everybody would do it.

SPEAKER_05 1:36:16

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:36:16

It's not easy to to be it's not easy to make ten million dollars. That's why not many people have ten million dollars. It's not easy to, you know, people discount people discount what is like really happening, or people discount like people having like a stupid shit, like a like a supercar or a Rolex or uh, you know, whatever, whatever your taste is, you know, or a mansion. It's hard to get that. That's why most people don't have it.

SPEAKER_05 1:36:44

Is it hard, but also not simple, but is hard also simple?

SPEAKER_00 1:36:49

I think success is simple.

SPEAKER_05 1:36:51

Okay.

SPEAKER_00 1:36:51

I think success in general is very simple. It's just habits. It's just habits and execution and just not giving up. Now, there are things that will not work. It's not gonna work. You have to understand that too. Now there's nuance to that. You know, when do you know when to give up? I don't know. That's what that's up to you. You know, when do you know when do you know to do this? I don't know. When do you know when you have to pivot? It's so individual. But quitting before you put everything into it. You know, and some people can't do that. Well, you got three kids and you got a wife and you got to support your family. Well, sorry, bud. Yeah you can't risk it all. You should have done it earlier. Yes. Can you put more effort into more and and use your time more wisely to get more successful? Yes. Can you quit your day job and go fuck off and try to be a painter when you have three kids and a wife to support? No, you can't. Sorry. You can't do it. You should have done that when you're 22. When you're young and dumb and you could fail and your parents will still have your back and whatever. It's always simple. It's always just, it's an equation. I hate to just math it to everybody, but it's like, you know, effort plus consistency plus not giving up ever until you feel like you're gonna die, and maybe even until you are right there on that step of death. Yeah, that's where you need to be. You put those things together, you're gonna win. Yeah. You may not win at the exact thing that you want, but you're gonna win.

unknown 1:38:31

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:38:31

It's really hard not to. You have to really try hard not to win. I keep telling everybody this.

SPEAKER_05 1:38:37

Let's let's talk more about Aspire now. Sure. You refuse to franchise your cleanings because you didn't want the business to lose its quality, right? Why do you think scaling a business is actually what ruins most businesses?

SPEAKER_00 1:38:51

People scale for the wrong reason. People scale for the reason of making money. And they destroy the soul of what the company is. I could have already sold this company several times.

SPEAKER_05 1:39:01

I can tell. Like, yeah, you have a clinic, I believe, in Dallas.

SPEAKER_00 1:39:04

Dallas, uh Pittsburgh, uh actually Wexford, technically, it's north of Pittsburgh. Okay. Ebensburg. Um I have a I just bought a building in Cleveland to open one there. Dubai, I just had to talk about uh London today. It's you know, people people I get probably five to ten emails a week at this point for people trying to buy us. They want to buy us because we're old, we're very well known, we have a great reputation, they want to buy us or absorb us or um partner with us to spread it everywhere.

SPEAKER_04 1:39:35

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:39:36

But you know, you've got to be careful with that. Who are you working with? You know, when you look at um, you know, private equity and stuff like that, they they can they can destroy what your business is about. Now, am I opposed to doing a franchise model eventually? I'm not opposed to it 100%. I just know what it does. I just know how it can screw it up.

SPEAKER_03 1:39:56

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:39:57

So I don't want to screw it up. Now, will I partner with people and will I make this thing bigger faster? Yeah, that's probably my game plan the next uh nine to twelve months.

SPEAKER_04 1:40:08

Okay.

SPEAKER_00 1:40:09

My next nine to twelve months, we will probably align with some big money players and we will spread this thing. Because I feel like the way we do things is the right way of doing things. And a lot of people in the industry think the same thing. I mean, my quote-unquote competitors, they're all friends of mine. These guys are friends. I talked to the I just talked to one of them today. That's the guy who wants to open up in UK.

SPEAKER_05 1:40:30

Okay.

SPEAKER_00 1:40:31

Uh, my buddy Scott Odie, who I've mentioned on podcast before, he owns Summit Rejuvenation Center. Yeah. And he's located uh primarily in St. Louis area. He also opened one on the other side of Florida. And he even asked me before he opened it, am I going to be stepping on your toes coming down here? I said, absolutely not, bro. I said, you can open right next to me. I said, I'd love to see you. We have different clientele. And this industry is just scratching the surface. You know, we we we service like um total, probably at this point, 18,000 patients. Wow. So we're sitting right here on the is this the west side of Orlando? Yeah, west side of Orlando. There's 18,000 people within a mile of here right now. Literally. Within a mile right here, sitting in buildings and going to stores and driving through here, there's 18,000 people. Guaranteed. We're only scratching the surface. It's not even started yet. What I started seven years ago, we are still so in the infancy that's gonna be 10 years until it catches up. In 10 years, it'll be a trillion dollar industry. In 10 years. Mark my words. If you're getting into this business for the right reasons to actually impact health and impact people and help people again, good and bad. Yes. There are bad actors in this industry as well who are only in it to make money. And they don't give a shit about people's health. And they do it to shove medications out of people's throat and make as much money as possible, turn and burn these patients, and they don't care about the health outcomes.

SPEAKER_05 1:42:00

And that's what you've said about like how doctors are the drug true drug dealers out there. Yeah. Where do you think modern medicine has gone completely wrong?

SPEAKER_00 1:42:09

Uh it's been corporatized. It's not about they don't they don't look to heal people or make people well. They look to sell people medication. You know? They just lowered the uh was it the blood pressure score that I sent you that, Gary? They lowered the blood blood the blood pressure score now is lower again. It used to be 120 over 80, and now they say you have to be 110 over 70. Why did they do that? People, oh well, they they must have found new information. Nope. They want to sell more blood pressure medications, what they want to do. They did the same thing with cholesterol. When cholesterol medication was invented, I think it was the 60s or 70s.

SPEAKER_04 1:42:44

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:42:45

When cholesterol medication was invented, the normal cholesterol level that was healthy was 300 total. They lowered it to 250. They lowered it again to 200. I think they're lowering it again to 180. Why? So they can sell more cholesterol medication. You know who writes all the books in the medical school? Big Pharma. No, no, no. It was this doctor that did this. I said, yeah, yeah, yeah. Look who funded it. Who do you think owns Big Pharma? Well, Big Pharma, Big Pharma is, you know, that when you say big pharma, there are major corporations, and this is why I talk about food all the time, too. And I talk about how it's all big, one big web. Yeah. And you could actually look at it, there's a web of companies. You ever see the web of companies?

SPEAKER_05 1:43:29

Bro, insane.

SPEAKER_00 1:43:30

It's like it's like five companies that own everything.

SPEAKER_05 1:43:33

Everything, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:43:33

And it's, you know, I I don't I can't even think of them off the top of my head, but if you look it up, you'll see this big web of companies, and it'll be food, pharmaceuticals, um, toiletry products, all this different stuff. Yep. And it's owned by just like a circle of maybe five to seven companies in total. Well, you know, what are companies here to do for the most part?

SPEAKER_04 1:43:56

Make money.

SPEAKER_00 1:43:57

Make money.

SPEAKER_04 1:43:57

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:43:58

Sure. My company's here to make money. I also want to make impact. But guess what? I can't make impact if I don't make money.

SPEAKER_04 1:44:03

True.

SPEAKER_00 1:44:03

Can't pay my staff.

SPEAKER_04 1:44:04

Yep.

SPEAKER_00 1:44:05

I'm not a charity. So these companies, they just took it to a level where it's now it's not about actually helping people. It's not about health, it's not about wellness, it's not even about food, it's not about being clean, you know, for the hygiene products. It's about making money. Yes. And you'll see big companies buy out small companies, and this happens all the time. You'll see like a small mom and pop company that makes a really good product, and they get bought for $150 million from Procter and Gamble. Yes. Or from Unilever. Uh uh Unilever. Yeah, that's another one. And they get bought from them to like companies that sold out. I'm like, well, I don't know. Did they sell out or did the owner want to make $500 million? Yeah. You know, it's not about it's not about that. It's about making money, but just do it in an honorable way.

SPEAKER_05 1:44:52

Yes. What's what's more honorable way than that, would you say?

SPEAKER_00 1:44:58

You know, when you look at medicine, medicine and the healthcare system is supposed to be about helping people be healthy.

SPEAKER_04 1:45:06

Makes sense. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:45:07

It's not. It's about a band-aid operation that gives you a medication to treat a symptom caused by a larger health issue. When I talk about holistic wellness, when I talk about longevity, when I talk about uh anti-aging, when I talk about you know regenerative medicine, preventive medicine, all these terms that are being thrown around a lot lately. But when I talk about them, I talk about looking for the underlying cause of what is ailing a person. My thought pattern and what I've researched and what I know and what I can verify is that most of the age-related degradation that happens for people, for humans, has to do with their hormones declining as they age. So you look at it like your automobile. At 20, at 18 to 25 years old, we're all Ferraris, bro. Yeah. All of us. Unless you have a medical problem or a health problem or you're eating like shit your whole life. But if you have lived a relatively normal life, at that age range, you are a Ferrari motor. Well, as you age, that Ferrari motor starts to lose oil. Let's say your major sex hormone, testosterone. Yeah. Right? So what do you have in an engine? You have oil, you have uh transmission fluid, you know, we're talking about the whole car. Yeah. Um, you know, everything from even down to the windshield washer fluid. So you need to have a clean windshield. Yeah. So all these things, these are your hormones. If those things start to get low, that engine starts destroying itself. That car starts to destroy itself. It's the same thing happening in your body. Yeah. It's the best analogy I can give you. Yes. So does anybody like is there a giant prevalence in that 18 to 25 year old male or female? Is there any prevalence of cholesterol and blood pressure issues and sexual dysfunction and you know hair loss? And no! None of this shit exists. Why? The hormones are optimal. Okay. But it's part of the normal aging process. Correct. The aging process is a decline in hormones. Yes. So what is anti-aging? Anti-aging is the restoration of your hormone systems, bringing them back to an optimal range, which is why I tell everybody, even young people, get your labs done between those ages, 18 and 25, and make sure you have historical labs so we know when you were operating your best. Because when you hit 30, 35, 40, 50, you're going to decline. And you need to be a patient. It's not a sales point. I don't care. Don't be a patient with me. Go to Summit, go to any of the competitors. I don't care. Just go and fix yourself so you can live longer. All I care about is understanding that, making people understand and helping them understand that healthcare, as you know it, as we all know it, is a band-aid operation to make you buy more drugs. Real healthcare, what we do, what this industry is doing, this whole system that I'm building, that other people in this industry are building, is to treat the underlying cause of what is going to eventually kill you. You figure that out? You figured out healthcare.

SPEAKER_05 1:48:40

Why do you think that is?

SPEAKER_00 1:48:41

Aaron Powell Well the insurance companies uh are you really want to get into this web. Big pharma, big medicine, and insurance companies, health insurance, they're all intermingled. They're all talking to each other, basically.

SPEAKER_05 1:48:55

Aaron Powell Like basically like sitting on a table, basically, and just Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:48:58

Gary Gary's big pharma, you're big med, I'm big insurance, and we're all trying to make sure we make a shitload of money. Yeah, so it is.

SPEAKER_05 1:49:04

That's it. That's money. That's it.

SPEAKER_00 1:49:06

It's just money. Everything's driven by money in those industries. You know, so why why doesn't insurance cover what I do downstairs? They because they're gonna lose a shitload of money. If insurance covers me optimizing your hormones with a biodental hormone, and that gets rid of your blood pressure issue, your cholesterol issue, your erectile dysfunction, your anxiety, your depression, your body weight issue, your diabetes. Oh, yeah, diabetes reversible, 100%. Yes. Yeah, yeah. Both of them. There's a new thing in uh Asia about that. So what did I just do? I just eliminated seven medications by optimizing one hormone. One hormone. And that happens all the time in my clinic. Wow. All the time.

SPEAKER_05 1:49:56

No wonder. Let's let's talk about Aspire now at this point. Like we're headed to. Was that direction? For the person listening, can you explain what actually expire rejuvenation do, like from the for dummies?

SPEAKER_00 1:50:08

Yeah. So I mean, you know, we are we are a medical clinic. We're a fully licensed medical clinic with fully licensed medical staff, specially trained hormones, anti-aging, wellness, um, regenerative medicine, preventive medicine. And when I say preventive, we're talking about this hormone system, we're talking about looking at underlying medical issues. We are taking data. So when you come into the clinic, you're filling out medical form. Like you fill out any other clinic.

SPEAKER_04 1:50:33

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:50:34

You're filling out if you want some more coffee, it's probably cold now, but you're filling out a medical form. And that medical form is going to be medical history, what you're looking for, kind of any ailments you're currently having. You go through that, and then you get more data, lab work.

SPEAKER_04 1:50:49

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:50:50

Now it doesn't stop at just la lab work for your blood, checking everything, which blood work is the window to your health. If you're not getting blood work regularly, I would say twice a year minimum, I don't care what age you are. If you're not doing that, you're you're doing yourself a disservice. Data is your friend. And we also do genetic testing, gut health testing, all this different stuff. So we're getting this data and your historical information. And when you get that stuff all done, you're sitting down with a practitioner who's specially trained in this for 45 or 60 minutes. Most doctor visits are seven minutes. Yes. Seven. Seven.

SPEAKER_05 1:51:26

Yeah, I was in a good thing. It's real. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:51:27

Seven minutes you get to spend with your doctor. It is impossible for him to properly assess you.

SPEAKER_05 1:51:33

Or does he even want to assess you at that point? Like a normal thing.

SPEAKER_00 1:51:35

Well, no, it's that that's the mainstream medical system. Wow. It used to be it used to be this way. So what I'm doing is I'm just taking it back to where it should be.

SPEAKER_04 1:51:44

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:51:45

It should be this 45 to 60 minute consultation. And what we do, we go over line by line everything that is in your lab work. If we're doing a gut health panel, we'll do that same thing. If we're doing a genetic test, do that same thing. Yeah. Going over your medical history, going over your uh historical data, what medications you're on, and then we're asking you, and this is this is kind of like a funny thing, how do you feel? Oh, you know, I feel okay for my age. I don't want to feel okay for my age. I want to feel okay for a 22-year-old. Yeah. That's what I want to feel like. Yeah. I want to feel like a T-Rex. Yeah. I don't I don't want to feel like a 40-year-old man. Right. What does a 40 year old man feel like? I don't know, it doesn't sound good though. So it's like, you know, we're asking the questions because we want them to feel like the most optimal version of themselves. That's what I want. And that's that's the real goal. And if we can get people to that place to be this this optimal version, and you see my book right up there behind your head. That book comes out in uh about a month and a half. Okay. And it's called Operation Optimal. Where can I pre-order? Uh you can pre-order my website. Okay. Yeah. Tomo Marjanovic.com. Um that book highlights everything that I have learned over shit, how long? Twenty years? Thirty twenty-five years? Yeah. Twenty years plus of uh of study, personal practice, and through running this clinic for the last seven years plus, this is everything that I have kind of built out and highlighted on how you can live the most optimal way.

SPEAKER_04 1:53:20

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:53:20

And it starts with data, it starts with understanding how the medical system works. It goes into how you have to think about medicine and how you have to think about your lifestyle. It's not just this is not this book is not like a sales pitch for the clinic. It's actually the antithesis of it. It's how to prevent coming to my clinic early. I want you to be healthy and optimal into your late 30s and early 40s. Because I should not be seeing 30-year-old men come into my clinic. I should not be seeing late, this is real, late 20-year-old women with massive fertility issues. Why? Birth control. We know. Bad diet. We know. Shitty lifestyle. We know. Alcohol, we know. This is old. If you don't know, now you know. Q to song?

unknown 1:54:07

Right?

SPEAKER_00 1:54:07

What song is? Dr. Dre? Yeah, there you go.

SPEAKER_05 1:54:11

If you don't know, and now you know. For for women out there, I want to know, like, oh, my periods are bad. They hurt. They hurt really bad. Go to the doctor. Doctor's like area pill. Yeah. It's gonna fix it for you.

SPEAKER_00 1:54:22

But here's a synthetic hormone. Here's a synthetic hormone that is gonna not fix the problem. It's going to stop your period. Yeah. So instead of instead of looking at, well, why is your menstrual cycle so painful? Yes. Why? You know, and there's a bunch of different reasons. Is it a PCOS thing? Is it an estrogen progesterone thing? They're not testing hormones, by the way. They don't give a fuck. They don't care.

SPEAKER_05 1:54:43

But it is underlying hormonal thing. That's the only reason.

SPEAKER_00 1:54:46

Uh it could be a mineral thing. You don't know. You know, it could just be that, you know, when you when you're younger, it's usually the menstrual cycles are usually a little more rough on women.

SPEAKER_04 1:54:55

Okay.

SPEAKER_00 1:54:55

But it's also natural. Exactly. I I know. Yeah. But it's like, you know, that's that's what it is. There are there are women out there that have immensely strong um painful periods. Now, what is the problem? There's no way that I can tell you this, but I will tell you that blood work will usually lead the way to how to fix this without stopping your period. There is a whole slew of women today, 2026, that have massive issues conceiving children.

unknown 1:55:29

Wow.

SPEAKER_00 1:55:29

Because they have stopped their period for so many years and they have completely destroyed the reproductive cycle.

unknown 1:55:35

Wow.

SPEAKER_00 1:55:36

It's it's so bad.

SPEAKER_05 1:55:37

I I needed someone to say that because it just doesn't sound right in my head.

SPEAKER_00 1:55:40

Like I was told to it's actually one it's one of the largest. So we are about to go through over the next over the next 20 to 30 years, we're about to go through a population decline in the West.

SPEAKER_05 1:55:51

Isn't that what was uh planned? I mean what can I say?

SPEAKER_00 1:55:56

Shall we get the tinfoil hat back there? It's back there for a reason. Yeah. Yeah, you know, and uh it's people are waking up to it though. They really are.

SPEAKER_05 1:56:08

Hopefully, yeah. People are waking up to it.

SPEAKER_00 1:56:09

It's it really is, it's getting there. I think I think that over the next uh five years or so, unless they do another pandemic, um, I think over the next five years or so, you're gonna see a huge resurgence of people really focusing on their health. I think it's starting already. You know, you have you have all these uh big name people that are coming out talking about health, wellness, optimization, lifestyle. And guys, it all starts with lifestyle. Yes. What you eat, what you drink, you know, how you behave, how you sleep, how you stress. This is all encompassed on how wellness is built. Yes. You can be well, and you can't like you should not be having a detrimental hormone decline or or a fertility issue until you're at a certain point. Yes. There is an age that that will happen. No matter what, there is an age that will happen. Yeah. And you will have to make a choice. Feel like shit or get optimized. Yes. That's a real choice.

SPEAKER_05 1:57:06

I'm gonna pivot here a little bit towards that we're talking about a woman's conversation. Are you are you good with talking about feminism?

SPEAKER_00 1:57:11

I love feminism. It's my favorite thing. Can't you see I'm wearing pink today? We can talk about feminism, absolutely. Well, um it depends what wave we're talking about, how what my feelings are on feminism itself.

SPEAKER_05 1:57:24

Well, what's feminism to you originally? Let's start with that. Like, what's your take on feminism so far versus what's more than their feminism because there is actually a big difference. Thank you very much.

SPEAKER_00 1:57:33

Yes, absolutely. Yeah. So, you know, when you're when you're talking about feminism, you know, I I I'm joking about feminism a little bit. Yes. Um Do I love women? Absolutely. I love women. Who doesn't? Yeah, come on. You know, do I do I do I love that you know first wave feminism gave women rights? Absolutely. Yes. Yeah. I think women should vote sometimes. Um sorry, here's what it is. You know, but I think they should have the right to.

SPEAKER_04 1:57:56

Uh-huh.

SPEAKER_00 1:57:56

That's okay. You know, I that's my personal opinion, and people can, you know, debate that if they want. And if you feel differently, oh good. I don't care. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You know? So should women be able to drive? Scary sometimes. But you know, yeah, they should have the rights to be able to do things. Okay. They should have the rights to fair pay. If a woman is working, I'm not going to pay. All the people in my clinic working for me are women. Yes. They're awesome. Yes. They work better than most men in their positions.

SPEAKER_05 1:58:26

I believe so.

SPEAKER_00 1:58:27

In the medical clinic. Yeah, yeah, yeah. They're more organized. They they they are they are good at the systems and processes, they're very friendly. I love it. They do an awesome job. Thank God that I have a mostly female staff in my industry.

SPEAKER_05 1:58:41

Yes.

SPEAKER_00 1:58:41

If I'm running a construction company, I'm not hiring women, bro.

SPEAKER_05 1:58:45

Exactly. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:58:45

Because we are all built to do different things. So first wave feminism was a was a good thing, I think. What happened is it was hijacked by extremists. And it turned into a man hating We know who, but yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. No, it's real. Yeah. It turned into a man hating we are all equal, equity, equality, whatever word you want to use.

SPEAKER_05 1:59:10

Filling them with bitterness against and pointing fingers, it's like dividing them again, like left and right. So listen, division.

SPEAKER_00 1:59:16

Yeah. Uh the the way this works is if you and and and why do they really want to do it? If you want to really get into this and you can debate this if you want on here, feel free to comment. They wanted more workforce. Double taxes? They wanted double taxes. They wanted more workforce. They wanted to how do I say this? Indoctrinate your children in the school system?

SPEAKER_05 1:59:39

Yes.

SPEAKER_00 1:59:39

Um, to make you better workers. Who who invented the school system? You know?

SPEAKER_05 1:59:44

Yes.

SPEAKER_00 1:59:44

Rockefeller, right? Yes. John D. Rockefeller.

SPEAKER_05 1:59:46

I was gonna say it's other term, but you're right. You're yes. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I understand. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:59:51

But John D. Rockefeller invented the schooling system, the modern school system. Why? Because he wanted to teach them how to be better workers. So if you want your kid to be very, very successful, the modern school system is not the way necessarily. Now, do I think school is very important? I do. Um Do I think college is largely bullshit? Yes. But there are three things about they need to go to college for. Want to be a doctor? Gotta go to college. Want to be a lawyer? Gotta go to school. Gotta go to law school. Gotta go to college. Yeah. You want to be, what else is there, Gary? Maybe an engineer?

unknown 2:00:24

Engineers, doctors, lawyers, I think that's it.

SPEAKER_00 2:00:26

I think that's it. Maybe architects. Architects. Architects. You have to go to architectural school. Yes. So outside of those four modalities, college is largely bullshit.

SPEAKER_04 2:00:36

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 2:00:36

You you got a degree in underwater basket weaving. Fucking cool, bro. Like what like what are you gonna do with that?

SPEAKER_03 2:00:42

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 2:00:42

You know, most people don't learn shit in college.

SPEAKER_03 2:00:44

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 2:00:44

You get more education right now. You can you can probably learn more self-educating than you can in college anymore.

SPEAKER_04 2:00:50

Basically, yes.

SPEAKER_00 2:00:51

You know? So feminism uh doubled the workforce, made kids go to daycare, made kids, you know, go into this normal uh schooling system that they wanted to build slaves out of. It's unfortunately it turned women against men, and then in it transversely turned men against women. And it was all kind of part of the plan, so to speak. Yes, yes, you know. Um that's that's my take on feminism right now. Uh the whole idea that you know the patriarchy and you know masculinity is toxic. There's no such thing as toxic masculinity. By the way, all the things they say that's toxically masculine is not actually masculine. That's where they screwed up.

SPEAKER_05 2:01:40

Give us an example.

SPEAKER_00 2:01:41

So they say, like, an aggressive man, you know, this this macho aggressive man. You're right.

SPEAKER_05 2:01:46

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 2:01:47

That guy's not masculine. He it's largely bullshit. That's a fucking peacock. That's somebody peacocking. You know, that guy. You know, yeah, we've seen them all. We've we've all seen them. Yes. The masculine guy is the dangerous guy in the corner who's quiet. You right?

SPEAKER_03 2:02:04

Mm-hmm.

SPEAKER_00 2:02:04

Yeah, you're like, you've been around him. Yep, yep. And you feel that presence in a room. You know when someone dangerous walks in a room. You know when an actual, like, I hate even using the word because it's so lame, like that alpha. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's lame. Um It's lame because people have like popular people. They've made it lame. Yes, yeah. I hate saying it because people made it lame, but it's real. When you look at that guy who would be considered an alpha male in a group of men, other alpha men will realize it. And these betas out there, you know, and they they've made new terms. What'd they make? Sigma and some other bullshit. Whatever, yeah. Whatever. It's alphas and betas, right? And alphas can be out-alphaed.

SPEAKER_04 2:02:44

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 2:02:44

Right? Yeah. And like it's just like it's just like a thing we said earlier. You there's always someone better than you. Yes. I'm I'm an idiot if I think that I'm not that I'm gonna out-alpha everybody. Yes. Not possible. Yep. You know? All good. Can I give them respect? Am I gonna let them alpha me in a physical way or in a you know, verbal way or combative way? No, because our society doesn't really dictate that anymore. Yes. You know, but in back in the day, when it was like Viking shit, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. The toughest guy's gonna win. So, you know, when it comes to this alpha male thing, all this alpha male stuff, they they say like, oh, well, masculine alpha male men, they're abusive and they're loud and they're angry and they're this. None of those guys are masculine. The idea of masculinity and alpha is completely backwards. They've brainwashed women to think those guys are the alphas. The real alphas are the guys that are quiet, stoic, and and I will say this, if you're not dangerous as a man, you're not alpha. Yeah, yeah, true. If you're not dangerous, if you don't know how to, if you don't know how to handle a weapon, if you don't know how to handle yourself in a fight, if you're not ready to I say this all the time, if you're not ready to kill everybody in the room that you go in, ready. Every room that I walk in, I am I assess the room as if what if any of these people attack me? What am I gonna do? And most of the time I'm like, okay, I feel like I can fight anybody in this room and I'll be okay. If I see a guy that I don't, that guy looks like he could potentially give me a run for my money, or that guy could fuck me up. What's around me? I don't have a gun on me, let's say. I don't have a knife on me. What's around me? Oh, I can break that wine bottle and stab him in the throat. Cool. I literally think like that. Yeah. And people are like, that's crazy. Why would you think like that? Because you have to be prepared all the time. Now, imagine I'm with, you know, my daughter. You don't think that I'm prepared to kill everybody in that room in case they try to go after my daughter? Right. Bro, I'm thinking like that all the time. That's real, that's normal. But I'm not sitting there masculine, bravado, asshole, this kind of that's not masculine. That's a peacock, and I guarantee he cowers to a person like me or you. Yeah. But we are quiet and reserved and respectful. And what do I mean, I'm sure you do. I de-escalate.

SPEAKER_05 2:05:14

Oh, yeah. Yeah, every time.

SPEAKER_00 2:05:15

If someone wants to fight me, I am going to do everything in my power to not fight.

SPEAKER_05 2:05:20

The price of violence is too high to pay, actually. Correct. Yes.

SPEAKER_00 2:05:23

So I will do everything that I can to avoid violence. Yeah. That's how a man behaves. That's how a masculine man behaves. That's how an alpha man behaves. Women have completely been they they've been bought into an idea that really the betas are the alphas. Because only betas beat women. Only betas are abusive. Yeah. These are all betas. They're not alpha men. Alpha men don't behave like that. Yeah. Alpha men behave with honor, with integrity, with love, with care. Go see a real alpha man. Go look at a Navy SEAL.

SPEAKER_05 2:06:00

I'm I've interviewed some of them on podcasts. Go look at Navy SEAL.

SPEAKER_00 2:06:04

You see them around a baby. Woo! That's what they do.

SPEAKER_05 2:06:08

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 2:06:08

You see them around a dog, same thing. Same shit. You know what I mean? You see them, you see them in nature, they're respectful. You see them like they're stoic, they're calm, they're loving. Yeah. They're so caring. That's what a fucking man looks like.

SPEAKER_05 2:06:19

But how dangerous they are. They can literally rip your throat.

SPEAKER_00 2:06:24

That's how a real man behaves. But you have to realize that man that is capable of that, he's capable of that not just to defend himself, it's more for other people. Yes. You know? Yes. A man who's abusive and a man who is loud and a man who is boisterous and a man who like does all it, these people aren't alpha. Yeah. They're bullshitters. Yeah. They're fake. And that's what feminism has done. Yes. Feminism has made women think that's the alpha man, and alpha men are bad. And masculinity is bad. So in turn, men have now been diminished, and men are afraid to be masculine. Men are afraid to they they they almost want men to be women and women to be men. True. They flipped it.

SPEAKER_05 2:07:02

And especially with uh, you know, when they're turning frogs gay into the water with a horns.

SPEAKER_00 2:07:06

Oh, atrazine, they're turning the frogs gay! How do I say it like him? What's his name? Uh Alex Jones. Alex Jones, they're turning the frogs gay. Yeah, it's crazy, bro. I mean, that that is real, though. Yeah, exactly. It actually is real, yeah. So they're yeah, they made her.

SPEAKER_05 2:07:23

The whole the whole thing about like birth controls like go in the water supply. Yeah, in pea, and then because it doesn't get filtrated, and now you're drinking the same thing.

SPEAKER_00 2:07:30

There's a crazy book called Estrogeneration.

SPEAKER_05 2:07:33

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 2:07:33

I don't know the name of the author, um, but we we'll put it in we'll put it in a link below. Yeah. Go read Estrogeneration. It is an excellent book, and it talks about how phytoestrogens in our environments, birth control in the water supply. Uh I I talked to him on the phone once, and he told me he had to leave some things out of the book. I'll say this off camera because it's not I can't say it on camera, so I get literally banned forever off of all internet. Um but there's some crazy things that have happened to our society based on what has been put in our water supply, and based on what has been put in our food. And it's been, and you know, testosterone levels are at an all-time low over the last 70, 80 years. They're saying that our great grandparents had testosterone levels closer to the 800, 900 range, and the average range right now is like 400, 500. Wow. Half. Cut it in half. Sick.

SPEAKER_05 2:08:22

Wow. And let's say if I am 23-year-old and my testosterone level, if I get the labs done, is around 500, 600, what's what I'm in next steps?

SPEAKER_00 2:08:33

So again, this is very individual. It depends on how you feel and how you're behaving. Because some people's optimal level may be in that five, six, seven hundred range. We do have people like that. And they feel great. And if I put them at 900 or 1100, they have symptoms. Negative, negative symptoms. Okay. So it's like it's so individual, which is why I tell everybody, young age, get start getting tested. Okay. Just get lab work done. Okay. And that way you understand your historical data. Because you'll how old are you?

SPEAKER_05 2:09:01

23.

SPEAKER_00 2:09:02

Okay, you're a young man. I'm 40. So I remember at 22, 21, 20, you know, that age group when my testosterone was close to 1500. Like you're tearing through walls? Yeah. Like I'm ready to drill a hole through my wall. You know, like you want to, yeah, like basically you want to fight everybody, you want to fuck everything. Yeah. You know, you everything feels great. You can fall down a mountain, which it did happen. I fell down a mountain skiing drunk when I was in college.

SPEAKER_05 2:09:29

Totally superhero, right?

SPEAKER_00 2:09:30

You're f I'm falling down head over, head over heels on this mountain, black diamond, went down it drunk. Stupid, I was 19 years old. Um, and I and this this hat, we were in New York, I think. And I I get up and I'm like, yeah, I'm all right. Bro, if I fell down a bunny hill right now, I'm going to the hospital. You know what I'm saying? Like, I remember what 22-year-old me feels like. Yeah. So, you know, it's if you understand what optimal feels like.

SPEAKER_05 2:09:58

You don't want to back down? Why would you? Why would you, right?

SPEAKER_00 2:10:01

Why would you? It because it's not harmful.

SPEAKER_05 2:10:03

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 2:10:03

To be optimal is not harmful. It's only healthy. How do you think all Hollywood's doing this?

SPEAKER_04 2:10:08

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 2:10:08

How do you think everybody looks the way they do in Hollywood? What do you think it's just, oh, they just must have some magic shit? No, they're just on hormones.

SPEAKER_04 2:10:16

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 2:10:16

They're on HRT, they're on growth hormone, they're taking stem cells, they're taking exosomes. What do you think's happening? Yeah. They are anti-aging.

SPEAKER_04 2:10:24

Yes.

SPEAKER_00 2:10:25

Brad Pitt, you just saw him in F1, you see the movie? Sick.

SPEAKER_04 2:10:27

Sick, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 2:10:28

Why does he look like that? Why does Brad Pitt look like Brad Pitt? If he dyed his hair, if he had no grays, he looks exactly the same as he did 30 years ago. Yeah. Yeah, no shit. His testosterone is optimal. I guarantee it. He's on peptides. He's on stem cells. He's doing exosomes. Do they maybe do a little bit of Botox here and there? Sure they do.

SPEAKER_05 2:10:46

Yeah. That's I mean it's part of the job, so it's whatever.

SPEAKER_00 2:10:48

Yeah. It's what their face is their money.

SPEAKER_05 2:10:50

Yeah. Well, yeah, we're talking about the feminism aspect of things. So as a girl dad, I always wanted to ask someone who is on the same level as like you are. Yeah. As a girl dad, what do you think of sending a girl to college?

SPEAKER_00 2:11:05

I mean, my daughter's not even going to go to normal school, so.

SPEAKER_05 2:11:08

Okay. That's that's a good start. Yeah. But you know the college culture. Trevor Burrus, Jr. You know what women go through. You know, it's more like they're this most of them are partying, drinking, hooking up, and next thing you know, when they come out of college and they're trying to find a good husband to sell that. They ran through. Yeah. Yeah. Exactly.

SPEAKER_00 2:11:27

Yeah. So, you know, that starts the parents and the upbringing.

SPEAKER_05 2:11:30

Yes.

SPEAKER_00 2:11:31

Uh your kids are going to experiment. Your kids are going to do shit they're not going to like.

SPEAKER_05 2:11:36

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 2:11:36

I did. Everybody did. You know? Yeah. Now, if your daughter is going to go to college to become a hoe for four years and thinks she's going to come out unscathed, you failed at parenting. Yes. You did not make them understand that sex is not used like this. And there are so many women today that think sex is not important and they throw Throw it around like it's nothing. Look at the internet. Look at OnlyFans, look at all like girls are literally prostituting themselves. Literally.

SPEAKER_05 2:12:08

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 2:12:08

Like I know personally.

SPEAKER_05 2:12:10

You live right by Miami, so you definitely know.

SPEAKER_00 2:12:12

Well I mean, so right here in Orlando, I know bartenders and bow girls that are legitimate prostitutes actually sell their body for money and purses and jewelry. Literally. And they think it's okay. And then they think it's empowering to start an OnlyFans. Well, look at how much money I made. Well, you're a porn star. Your father must be proud. Right? You think any reasonable masculine leader of a man is gonna tolerate that? If they do, that it's a simp. He's a simp. I'm sorry. Yeah. Like you you're kidding yourself as a woman to think that you can behave like that and not have consequences. Yeah. And you should. But if you're a woman, or so if you're a girl dad, I'm a girl dad. Yes. In six, my daughter's two. In sixteen years, she'll be 18 years old, and she may want to go to college. She probably won't because she's going to be smart. She already is very smart. She will have the best tutors and the best teachers, and she will travel the world with her tata. And she's going to learn culture and wisdom and life from her family and from people that I'm around, and from people like Gary and people like my friend Steve and Chris and people like you, God willing, you know, and uh and James and you know and Bailey. And you know, and she's gonna experience life from a different perspective. She's still gonna learn the basics. Yeah. But I'm in a position, and I will always make sure I'm in a position, to make sure she gets an education that is not tainted by bullshit.

SPEAKER_04 2:13:48

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 2:13:49

Right? So when she learns, well, Toma, what are you doing? You're just not gonna send her to school? Nope. Sure the fuck I'm not. Well, how are you gonna educate her? I'll buy a teacher. What do you mean? I'll just buy her a new teacher every year. Kindergarten teacher? Yeah. You're employed for a year. Here's 75 grand. It's more you're making in school. Yep. First grade, here you go. I will do it through her whole life. That's why I work hard. So I have that option. Wow. Because I don't want my daughter to grow up in a fucking system that turns her into this travesty.

SPEAKER_05 2:14:23

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 2:14:24

It's sick and it ruins women. It damages them.

SPEAKER_05 2:14:27

Have you been in a relationship where you fell for that one woman who was basically all the stuff we were talking about, like college, ran through feminism, bullshit, and then and did that that she ended up breaking your heart, and you're like, okay, shit, there's something more to this.

SPEAKER_00 2:14:42

Um only one woman ever broke my heart. Um and it was the best thing that ever happened to me, because it actually led me to leave law enforcement, one of the things. Okay. Yeah, I'll give you the story in a second. Yeah. Um, but yeah, we've all been fooled by women. Yes. Men, if if you see if you say you haven't, that you're just either you're either you're you're fucking, you know, you're some kind of saints or some kind of superpower god. Yeah. Um, but we've all been fooled by women. Yes. Uh people lie, you know, and it's okay. We've all been fooled and we had to learn. That's how you learn lessons. If you don't get screwed over by somebody and you don't feel pain through a situation, you're not gonna learn a lesson. Yeah. I thank God for all my ex-girlfriends. Thank God I dated her and went through that trauma and that hell. And yes, men go through trauma.

SPEAKER_04 2:15:27

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 2:15:28

And it you're either gonna learn or you're gonna repeat.

SPEAKER_04 2:15:30

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 2:15:31

Story of uh the first time I had my heart broken. I fell in love with a woman in uh 2018, fell in love hard. Looked at her, saw her for the first time, I said, I need her. That's mine. That was made for me. And that summer uh we started dating. And she recently broke up with a boyfriend, whatever, and uh through that summer, I was I'm I'm talking like head over heels. I knew this woman was built for me from head to toe. This is the absolute perfect woman for me. I must have her. I was cop at the time. And we were dating and she was fighting it a little bit. And you know, she kept talking about her ex-boyfriend, and I was I was tolerant of it because she was young. Yeah. I'm 10 years older than her. Okay. So, you know, she was young, and I was in my early 30s, she was in early 20s. Yeah. So I'm trying to be tolerant with it, and then uh, you know, and I'm telling this woman, I'm like, I'm gonna marry you, and I'm putting babies, you know, like I'm going, I'm and she was going with it. Okay. And she was like, Yes, like you're the love of my life. You're the you're you're literally what I've always looked for in a man. Yeah. End of that summer, I went back to her boyfriend. Went back to her ex. After knowing she was in love with me. And it was it was probably well, it was definitely the last time that I've ever cried in a true depression over a woman. And I remember crying in bed, and I'm and I'm bro, I'm like, I'm sad boy shit. Okay? And I'm I'm not ashamed to say this shit. I've been through that. Everybody's been through that. You ever you ever like sitting there in a bed and you're fucking crying your eyes out, wondering what happened, and you're looking at a picture of her, you're reminiscing, right? And you're like eating it, you just fucking eat it. It sucks. You're you're you're sad. You don't you wish it didn't happen. Yeah. And I'm sitting there and I'm super depressed, and I did this for about a day. You know, off and on. I mean, I went about my day, I went to work and all this shit, but like, you know, my my my world felt broken. And my heart was broken. And then I came to the position and the place where I was like, okay. That woman that I found to be perfect did not find me perfect. And I didn't compare myself to the other man. What I did is I compared myself to what the vision of and the version of myself that I wanted to be. I said, Alright, I will never not be chosen again. Two months later, I left law enforcement, went into a different career. A year later, I built my business, for the first time became an entrepreneur. A year after that, I paid myself for the first time as an entrepreneur. A year after that, I made my first million dollars. A year after that, I made my first $10 million. Because of a breakup. But it wasn't because of a breakup, it was because I had to come to a realization I wasn't in the position that I needed to be in. And it took a woman to leave me to understand that I had to level up. And as men, you know what? As women, for women, if they watch this part right here, if you understand as a woman how important you are to men, we put you on such a pedestal that we will change our entire fucking life because of you. We will literally pivot our entire career, move everything, move to a different city, start a brand new thing, go through the stress and pressure of being an entrepreneur, put everything on the line, starve. Sleep in our cars, sleep in our office. We will put everything on the line for a woman. If women understood that power, they would stop fighting with men. They would understand that we are supposed to be an asset to each other, that we are supposed to be a collaborative, that if we just understood that there are male dynamics and female dynamics, and together we make a perfect dynamic, everything is solved. Everything is perfect. But heartbreak's part of that. You have to go through it. I love talking about my heartbreak story because it made me who I am. I credit a lot of my success to being heartbroken. And I'm gonna be heartbroken again, I'm sure. That's okay. Will I react the same way? Will I cry the same way? Absolutely not. Never again. Never again will I react the same way. Has it hardened me a little bit? Of course. Supposed to. Am I a little more wise, a little more intelligent about how I approach women and talk to women? Oh yeah. Because it's very easy to be manipulated when you're in love. Yeah. And that's okay. Being in love is beautiful. I love love. But what I'm building in life is more important. You know? Yeah. So any woman that's going to be in my life has to fit a mold that is pretty stringent. Because I have family, I have staff, I have a daughter, I have an empire. Empire doesn't fall. You you play chess? Yes.

SPEAKER_05 2:20:25

It only falls when the king falls, not the queen.

SPEAKER_00 2:20:27

So the queen can fall. Game isn't over. Yeah. Only falls when the king falls. True. So, you know, when it comes to love, relationships, feminism, masculine. Again, not easy. Real fucking simple though. Yeah. Real simple.

SPEAKER_05 2:20:45

Yeah. That's true. Well, we hear buzzwords like uh BPC 157 peptides exosomes like constantly. Like break it down for us. What are they and what why are they getting popular all of a sudden?

SPEAKER_00 2:20:58

They're popular because they're because they're able to be profitable. Um that's why they're popular. Um people are talking about it all the time because they're profitable and people are trying to sell it. I've been using peptides since 2004.

unknown 2:21:13

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 2:21:14

Like Ronnie Coleman, Jay Cutler days. Yeah, yeah. Okay.

SPEAKER_00 2:21:17

Yeah. I'll show you some pictures of me and uh Chris Bumstead um working out in uh He lives in Orlan, isn't he? No, he lives in uh South Florida, Fort Myers, I think. Okay, okay. Um but you know, me and Chris Bumstead in 2017, 2016, working out together. Oh wow. Yeah, yeah. No, I've I've I was in bodybuilding scene for a long time.

SPEAKER_05 2:21:34

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 2:21:34

Pictures with Jay, Ronnie, I knew everybody.

SPEAKER_05 2:21:37

Brian uh you have Brian Brian in the podcast.

SPEAKER_00 2:21:39

Yeah, Brian, yeah, yeah. Brian and I are good friends. We still talk all the time. So, you know, peptides, I've been using them forever. BPC157 has been around since the 80s. Croatian guy actually uh developed it. Oh wow. Um most of the peptides that people are talking about have been around for decades. And they have a lot of study behind them. The reason why they're not marketed highly and they're not in normal mainstream medicine is because they work. Yeah, they're not a band-aid. Weird. So what's a peptide? A peptide is a messenger signal. A peptide is a string of amino acids that tells your body to do something. It's not something, it tells your body to do something. Does that make sense? So you have an amino acid chain and it tells your body, let's say uh what I took last night before I went to bed, why I slept so good, I had so many vivid dreams. Uh Ipamoralin and CJC1295, combo peptide to increase growth hormone levels. That, those amino chains in that peptide told my pituitary gland to secrete more growth hormone at bedtime. What that did help my body heal, all this stuff, but it also helped me sleep very well. You know, high growth hormone levels, you sleep a little bit better, believe it or not, sleep deeper. So, you know, that's what peptides are. When it comes to exosomes, secretome, stem cells, stem cells, we understand they're it's a living cell. Okay. If you're getting them from umbilical cord or uh or placenta, uh they're unassigned. Basically, you put them wherever, let's say your shoulder, they can heal your shoulder. But stem cells travel. So here's, you know, administration is a whole conversation in itself. But let's say you have a liver problem. Yeah. You're like say you've been you're a heavy drinker. Oh, my shoulder hurts. I want stem cells. You put them in your shoulder. Your body's gonna prioritize those cells. So it's gonna move from your shoulder down to your liver. It's gonna fix your liver. Okay. You know, so it's like it fixes what it needs to fix. Exosomes, secrotomes, those come off of the stem cells. Yeah. And there are growth factors and uh tiny vesicles that are basically used as data centers for repair. Yeah. So I do exosome or secretome IVs, yeah, flood my body with billions of exosomes, secretomes, growth factors. I really don't have any injuries because I've been doing this for a while and fairly optimal. And uh I get a lot of brain boosting ability. So literally it'll it'll heal. So exosome, secretomes, they will cross blood-brain barrier and they will heal your brain. They can actually heal neural tissue. Crazy studies on this.

SPEAKER_04 2:24:07

Wow.

SPEAKER_00 2:24:07

Yeah. You're talking about reversal in Alzheimer's potentially, you're talking about reversal in dementia, you're talking about reversal in brain damage, talking about re-establishing and even establishing neural connections. Yeah. Get into the real crazy science of this. Okay. Yeah, so there's a lot of study on this now. And again, you know, this is not stuff that Big Pharma and Big Med wants you really have. Yeah. It's it fixes it. You know, and this is not a medical term. You know, I'm not saying that, you know, exosomes, secretomes, stem cells, and peptides will fix all your problems. Yeah. But they can. Can. It can. Will it? I don't know. It depends. Yeah. Depends on the situation. Yeah. Depends on you, right?

SPEAKER_05 2:24:48

Let's talk about like hacks. Like everyone wants a shortcut outside of diets, exercise. Like, what's the one thing in the industry that moves the needle?

SPEAKER_00 2:24:57

I would say uh just optimizing hormones is going to be your biggest needle mover, but you have to be doing everything else.

SPEAKER_05 2:25:03

Lifestyle. It has to be.

SPEAKER_00 2:25:06

You can't, you can't, if you if you sleep like shit, you die, you don't eat well and you don't exercise, you don't move. Let people talk about that 10,000 steps a day thing. That's real. If you're not moving and exercising and eating well, all these things, if you're not doing all of that, and you're just taking HRT, you're not going to get the benefits. It's not going to really work for you. Could you get some? Sure. But the real optimal place is when your lifestyle is perfect, and then and I and I tell everybody, fix your lifestyle first. Your hormones might fix themselves from your lifestyle. Yeah. They may not. If they can't, cool, come to the clinic, we'll help you out. Right. But if they can, great. Save yourself some money. By what? Taking some action.

SPEAKER_05 2:25:51

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 2:25:52

Simple.

SPEAKER_05 2:25:52

And if a guy can't afford like a concierge doctor right now, what are the three things he can do tomorrow to fix his hormones on his own? We use mentioned lifestyle, walking around well.

SPEAKER_00 2:26:02

Yeah, so lifestyle. So lifting lifting weights. Um it's it's not it's not a joke. It's not a fad. It's not like, oh, we're the ex-bodybuilder. No. Lifting weights and building muscle and having less body fat, that will increase your hormone output. Um diet is huge. Yes. So people don't realize like mechanisms in the body. Cholesterol makes hormones. So, oh, low cholesterol diet, and shut up. Shut up.

SPEAKER_05 2:26:32

Shut up scam, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 2:26:33

Gum, it's a scam. Yeah, yeah. Eat whole eggs, eat a fatty steak. Cholesterol builds hormones. The lack of cholesterol, which is why, sorry, vegans, your testosterone is low, yeah. For the most part. Right. Now there are some outliers, of course, but for the most part that is the case. Uh that approves that, so you can argue all you want.

SPEAKER_05 2:26:55

It's it's quite funny when people like listen to like there was a big comedian named Kevin Hart, I'm sure you've heard of it. He came on Joe Rogan in his like, I love those beyond meat burgers. And Joe Rogan called him out right there, was like, Nope, not buying into that.

SPEAKER_00 2:27:08

Slop, bro. That is poison slop.

SPEAKER_05 2:27:10

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 2:27:11

Seed oils and artificial ingredients and all these preservatives, and like there's you ever see the ingredient list of like a beyond burger or like those impossible burgers?

SPEAKER_05 2:27:20

I don't even I don't even know the names of that.

SPEAKER_00 2:27:21

Like there's there's like 90 ingredients in it. Wow. So you know 90? It's it's ridiculous. It's I mean, we can probably look at it. It's at least 50. Yeah. It's insane. And it's a bunch of different stuff that nobody's ever heard of. Yeah. Because all it is is seed oils, preservatives, and random chemicals. Yeah. It's just it's fake. It's just bullshit.

SPEAKER_05 2:27:42

What's the biggest health food scam that people are eating every day and thinking it's good for them?

SPEAKER_00 2:27:50

Health food scam. Um, I don't know if it's a scam, but it's just the processed foods. You know, all the processing that happens in foods, you need to eat like very minimally processed single ingredient foods. What's a steak made of? Steak. Steak. It's beef. Yeah. Right? What's oh okay, so bread. People demonize bread. My mom makes bread. You know how many ingredients are in bread?

SPEAKER_05 2:28:18

Three. Four? Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 2:28:20

Yeah. So flour, water, yeast, salt. I would put salt in it personally. So you could do a three. Three, yeah. It needs salt though. Trust me. So you have a four-ingredient bread versus a bread in the store, which has at least 20. Look at what you're eating. They just did a they just did a huge study on bread in America, and I think it was 17 out of 20 most popular breads bought in grocery stores had glyphosate in them. And people were like, oh, celiac disease and um what is the what's it called? Gluten insensitivity. That's all fake, by the way. That's that's not real. So the gluten fake. Okay. Fake. It doesn't exist. The gluten, it's all fake. You've been fucking lied to the entire if you think you have a gluten intolerance, if you think you have celiac disease, the doctor that made up celiac disease came out and said he made it up. There's bullshit.

SPEAKER_04 2:29:13

Wow.

SPEAKER_00 2:29:13

Because guess what? You can go and you can eat gluten in Italy and you're not gonna have a stomach problem. Uh-huh. I was gonna yeah. Why does that happen? Well, because they're not filled with glyphosate and a shitload of processed materials. Yes. You don't have a problem with the with the bread. With the bread, with the wheat. You don't have a problem with that. It's how it's processed. Yeah. It's what's in it. That's your problem. Guess why? You're being poisoned. Yeah. Because these manufacturers can make bread faster that stays on the shelf longer to make more money. You know how easy it is to make bread? It is so simple.

SPEAKER_05 2:29:55

Yeah, like probably like it's like a two-day pro worth of process.

SPEAKER_00 2:29:59

Sure, but once you have the sourdough starter, you have it forever. You just keep using it. Yeah. You can you can make like you can make six loaves of bread in an oven.

SPEAKER_05 2:30:07

Yeah. So easy. Is lactose intolerant also a scam?

SPEAKER_00 2:30:10

No. So lactose intolerance happens because of something else. It's usually because you're missing uh uh lactase, which is a which is a digestive enzyme. Okay. Now, you know, lactate, the the tablet that you can chew up, yeah, that's that's lactase. That's that's that's basically the enzyme. Okay. So people usually have that enzyme issue. Um it depends it could be just that you have a gut health issue. Yeah. It could be that you became lactose intolerant from not eating dairy. Because when you stop eating something, what happens? Well, your body is a beautiful running machine. So when you stop eating dairy, your body's gonna say, Well, I don't need to keep this lactase, uh digestive enzyme around. Expel it. They don't need it. Right. And then you start eating dairy again. Oh, I'm lactose intolerant now. No, you just don't have the enzyme. Yeah. You don't have the enzyme to digest digest it. Does it come back when you stop? It could. Okay. Now it depends. This is very, this is this is all listen, if I if I could solve the the problem, all the problems that happen with lactose intolerance, I'd probably be a billionaire. You know, but it it's it's it's truly an individual thing. It depends how it starts. And some people just can't produce lactase, maybe. Yeah. That's a real thing too. Yeah. You know, some people aren't built to eat certain foods. And that's also why we do like gut health sensitivity tests in the clinic, we do genetic testing, we do food sensitivity testing. People eat stuff they shouldn't be eating. Yeah. You know, people are like, oh, well, you know, I I don't know. Every time I eat whatever, strawberries. Yeah. My stomach hurts like crazy. Well, yeah, you you we just proved that you should not be fucking eating strawberries because you don't have X, or because your gut says this, or because you're in you're intolerant of this. It, you know, it's it's such a simple thing to do some testing and get some data so you know what cooperates with your body. That the science is here. The future of how to stay super healthy is already here.

SPEAKER_05 2:31:58

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 2:31:58

You just literally need to do it.

unknown 2:32:00

Right.

SPEAKER_05 2:32:01

Tomo, you're you're a very intelligent man, like a good dad, a great dad in the future, uh, an awesome businessman, a leader, an inspired entrepreneur. Well, I'd like to end this whole podcast by a little rapid fire. Yeah. That's cool. Let's do it. Um let's do it. So this is uh called the rapid fire, the Tomo edition. I named it specifically. Perfect. So steak or sushi? Steak. Cigars or coffee. Cigars. Cardio or heavy lifting. Heavy lifting. What's one message to your 20-year-old self in one sentence?

SPEAKER_00 2:32:39

Don't stagnate. Don't stagnate.

SPEAKER_05 2:32:43

And if all your content, all your achievements, everything was erased tomorrow, and you had next three minutes to leave a productive thought to the world, what would you say?

SPEAKER_00 2:32:59

Everything is in your control. And I'll elaborate, and that's the only thing that I would say. Everything is in your control. Why I say that is because you can literally create shit from nothing. You can create and I'm not talking about some woo science, you know, you know, some pseudoscience bullshit. I'm talking about through dedicated effort, through action, through study, you can literally become the most powerful version and the most powerful person in an industry or a field of study or any any anything that you want to do. You want to be the you want to be the most world-renowned psychologist in the world. Spend the next two years reading every psychology book. Two years. Read everyone. Not one, not two, not go to get a psychology degree. Read every book. You can read a book a week. I'm reading a book a week this year, by the way.

SPEAKER_04 2:33:52

Oh, okay.

SPEAKER_00 2:33:53

So read every book on the subject matter for two years. You will literally be the most intelligent, most well read. Red most educated person in the entire field. That's how you fucking win. Just don't stop.

SPEAKER_05 2:34:08

And I know you're a cigar man, and I know your time is very precious, so I got you a little gift.

SPEAKER_00 2:34:12

My man. Right here.

SPEAKER_05 2:34:17

So that's for you.

SPEAKER_00 2:34:19

Oh. What do we got? Don Carlos Fuentes, brother.

SPEAKER_05 2:34:23

Yeah. Thank you. And I know you're a man of taste and you don't like anything. I I pick anything cheap, but.

SPEAKER_00 2:34:28

Don Carlos are great, bro. These are excellent cigars. Thank you so much.

SPEAKER_05 2:34:31

So hopefully you like him.

SPEAKER_00 2:34:32

Yeah, he's for 2020, Fuente Age Selection. I've uh I've smoked the smallest Don Carlos, this one right here. Okay. I have not smoked these larger, but I heard the flavor and these are amazing.

SPEAKER_05 2:34:41

Yeah, he did. It's supposed to sit on your palette for a little longer. That's what the guys do.

SPEAKER_00 2:34:44

Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's awesome, man. Thank you so much. Appreciate it. Appreciate it, brother. Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 2:34:47

Well, thank you guys. Uh, this is a wrap on today's episode for Stalin Confidential, and I'm here with Tomo. What a what a what a what a podcast. Yeah, excellent. One of the one of the best ones I've ever had. I appreciate it, man. Thank you so much. Thank you for your time.