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Jen & Dagda Season 2 Episode 29

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In this episode, Jen and Dagda explore how being a gamer is actually the ultimate training for real-life survival, financial stability, and emotional resilience.

They dive into:

  • The Dresden Files: Why Jen finally gave in to the hype and how it’s feeding her brain.
  • The 3-Step Rule: How planning ahead helped Jen conquer debt and anxiety.
  • Money Skills: Why "if the card goes ding, I have money" is a dangerous mindset and how to use "round-up" savings to build a safety net.
  • The Midol Hack: A genius (and hilarious) way to hide emergency cash where no one will find it.
  • Gaming Grudges: Why Jen will never forgive The Elder Scrolls and why she prefers turning Seven Days to Die into a peaceful homesteading simulator.
  • Worst-Case Scenarios: Preparing for verbal attacks, conflict, and the "inherent stupidity" of the world.

Whether you're a hardcore gamer or just trying to get your life in order, this episode is about "pre-planning predictabilities" so you can handle whatever curveball comes next.

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SPEAKER_02

Welcome to Everyday Life. Thank you for joining our podcast, Conversations Over Coffee. My name is Jen. And I'm Dagda. And we're gonna hit you with the explicit content warning right off the bat. This podcast does include adult situations and adult language from time to time.

SPEAKER_00

I'm an angel. I never fucking cuss.

SPEAKER_02

Okay. Anyways, you ready to go?

SPEAKER_00

Oh yeah.

SPEAKER_02

Alright, let's go. Did you see me making fun of you? You're like, don't do that again, you assho. Stop scopping. But you would not think that I cared about you if I didn't tease you just a little bit here and there. Sure, that's what is going on. You're like, ugh. You're just proving why my IQ is higher than yours. You're just always acting like a 12-year-old boy. Such a plebe. Yeah, well, I'm not the F and G anymore, so warrant. How are you doing today? I'm doing alright. How are you doing? I'm doing good. Uh, good spirits, good mood. I mean, I'm a little tired, but sleep interrupt us, it happens. Sleep is interruptus. But talk on wood. I haven't had any uh sleep paralysis demons for a couple days, like three days. And so I'm like, fucking I literally made my part of the bed today, and I set Bernard up and kissed my dog, and he's a stuffed dog. I get it, but whatever. And I was just like, thank you for being a good fake food and protect me while I sleep. I'm telling you, it's it's I'm at this point. I meditate pretty much every night when I go to bed, even in full exhaustion. I meditate and say, you know, and I give myself a visual, and that is that Bernard turns into mouse, and that he circles around me and protects me. And he uses and his tail is so long that his tail goes all the way up my body. And when and I visualize any sleep demons coming at me, he uses his tail, whoosh whoosh, and away goes the sleep demon.

SPEAKER_00

What's that dragon from the never ending story?

SPEAKER_02

Probably so. I've only seen the never ending story one time. But he looks like a big dog. He he looks like a foo dragon, yeah. Or oh, you're talking about the big, the big dragon.

SPEAKER_00

The only dragon in yeah, it's like a it has like a dog face, but yeah, it does look kind of like a Chinese dragon.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah, it's like a foo dragon dog or something. I don't know, maybe it's Falco. I mean they they sang Rock Me Amadeus, so ask them. I don't know. You're like you bitch. Too, two, too many Gen X puns for you all in a row.

SPEAKER_00

Sure, that's what happened.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah, no, I don't know, but uh that's what I see is I just picture mouse. And you know, and I was saying to you earlier, I honestly think we could do an entire podcast based on the Dresden Files because it brings me, it's so odd to say, the Dresden Files having finally succumbed to your just give it a try wisdom like you brought me two books. I still haven't read the other one. I'll probably never read the other one because I just randomly opened it and it was just that horrible spot and was like, what the hell is this?

SPEAKER_00

But wisdom.

SPEAKER_02

Did you seriously just say wisdom to me?

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, my middle name should be wisdom. I actually had one person tell me at one point that you're probably the wisest person I've ever met. And I was like, the the funny thing was it was because we were playing DD, uh-huh, and he had set up this dungeon. It was a homebrew game, and he had created this dungeon, and one of the things was one of those sort of riddle type things. And I'm like, I don't even know what the fucking answer to this is. Right. And he's like, You're one of the wisest people I've ever met. How do you not know this? Right. I'm like, okay, well, if you do this, then this will happen. If you do that, that will happen. And neither of them can you tell which is correct until you do it, and at that point it's too fucking late.

SPEAKER_02

Wait a minute. Did you just literally say something very logical? And guess what? That's the way it is in life, too.

SPEAKER_04

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02

That's the thing. When you're a gamer, you want a certain level of predictability because you always want to have a victorious outcome. So you do that thing, whether it's very fast or very slow. Some people can't think that fast.

SPEAKER_04

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02

I am always trying my very best to think three plans and three steps ahead in life. Yeah. Because, you know, before I started doing that, I was I still live what you would call paycheck to paycheck, right? Um, but I was in massive debt and everything. Now my debt is much smaller. I mean, it's still there, I'm still working on it. Yeah. But it was like my amount of debt would have like made other people shit their pants.

SPEAKER_03

Yeah.

The Wisdom of Gamers

SPEAKER_02

But as soon as I started planning two and three steps ahead, it started making me calmer. And it started making me go, okay, so predictability for life is out the fucking window, right? Yeah. Which the sooner you accept that, the easier it is.

unknown

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00

I mean, you're you can make certain assumptions and then you can make plans.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00

But at the end of the day, you never know what's going to happen. Something out of left field can happen, even if it's like, okay, this is extremely predictable what's going to happen in this realm of my life. But something out of left field can always happen.

SPEAKER_02

100%. Like you can sit there and but a lot of people don't do the basic assumptions, predictabilities, which you need to have all your basics. Like you've got your good, better, best, right? So good. I have I have a job and I will make money. Better, I have a job that I like and make money best. I have a job I love and I make damn good money. So, but the thing is, is having that positive forward going, okay, so it might not be the best job, it might not be the most enjoyable job, but I'm making money, I'm paying my bills. That's a start. And so once you have that forethought of predictability, going, okay, so work equals money. Okay, so that's done. You know, but for gamers, we're like, okay, that's great. I worked, I put my work in. Where the fuck's my reward?

SPEAKER_04

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02

What do you mean Uncle Sam wants 22.37%? This is nonsense.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02

Uncle Sam ain't never come over and mowed my lawn.

SPEAKER_00

Well, and then there's also the thing, as gamers, a lot of times we're gamers tend to also be readers or or they watch lots of movies. Yeah. Right. And if you read a lot of novels, let's say, or watch a lot of movies, or even read a lot of comic books or whatever, you're going to come across certain tropes over and over again. Um, and so this was one of those situations where he figured that all of us, or at least me probably, right, had seen this riddle before and knew the answer already. Um and so he was like, uh, they're gonna know this anyway. Right. And then he totally stumped when it's just like you don't automatically. All of us were like, uh, I don't know. It could be this or this. It was a third thing that in retrospect makes sense if you'd heard it already. Yeah. Um, or if you were cleverer than what I was, especially considering that my brain immediately went, This is fucking stupid. Why are we doing this?

SPEAKER_02

Which gamers say all the time when there's a higher probability of loss.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02

Like, no, I why would I go down the road without any lighting on it when the road right there's got light on it?

SPEAKER_00

So what he was also one of those game masters that really liked fucking with people.

unknown

Oh god.

SPEAKER_00

And so, and he was kind of adversarial. In other words, if he was winning, that was good enough for him. Right. Right. Uh, if we were having fun, that was a secondary concern for him.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah, his concern is winning. Yeah, I am winning, that's all that matters. You guys can cry like babies later.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah. And so there were several circumstances where it's like, what the fuck, dude?

SPEAKER_02

Mm-hmm. I'm telling you, I think I think everybody should have at least one game they play. I don't care if it's go, I don't care if it's checkers or chess, one or you know, or even one handheld game. Because you start learning patterns and predictabilities in your game, and then you can win more so that when you're having a rough day and you're not feeling like you're winning in life, because I I do this a lot when I'm having a day where I'm having to keep my emotions in check. And I mean, I'm praying to Jesus, going, please don't let me kill this person. Or please, please let me remain in control of my vehicle and not run over that idiot. Um, but I have found that having like the the one video game, one of the handheld video games on my phone, I've been playing it for well, the two I have, I've been playing them both for 10 years, but there's just one I play consistently. And I'm like, so there's a level of predictability to it. So I can automatically know by time all the cards have been played once what the level of predictability is for me to win, you know, win-loss ratio based on the cards that are there and how I can combat them. And I have found when I accept that I understand my my predictability is 75% with going against this, I lose because I don't have the same strength cards. I have different cards for different purposes. Okay, there's a good chance I'm gonna lose, but I'm at least gonna give it a fight, right?

SPEAKER_04

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02

I give it a fight. Now, when I win, my whole day's better. And when I when I lose, it's not as big of a deal because I set myself up with the proper expectations.

SPEAKER_04

Yeah.

Planning 3 Steps Ahead

SPEAKER_02

And I think that that's one thing that gamers gamers, you know, obviously we come in a rainbow of flavors.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02

But I think I think most gamers who've been gamers most of their life and not new to gaming, um, I think we are definitely planners because we're like, ah, yeah, let me think about this. What could possibly happen, right? So I apply that in my everyday life. Like, having income is good. Yeah, you know, having income from a source I really like, that's better. Having good income from a source I really like is best. No, you know, and I I think we're missing something with I don't think we're setting people up for success per se in education now because they're not, they're not telling, and and I'm telling you, I deal, I have dealt and I've dealt with enough people under the age of 30 to where they're like, checkbook, what the fuck's that? If it goes ding, I have the money. If it doesn't, I don't. It's that simple. That's not how it works, yeah. Right? Um, and especially like especially the one person I used to work with, and she had everything on a credit card, and she's like, This is fantastic. It never tells me no. Of course not. It's until it does. Until it does, uh, like you better make sure you're paying your credit card bills because guess what? That 5,000 limit comes quick when you're putting everything on it.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah. And but I mean, there are some rich people that use credit cards to do everything. And back in the day, I kind of got it because you would get an itemized bill and it would fucking list everything that you did. Now your regular fucking bank account will tell you that. So it's not really that's no longer a valid reason.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah, when we when we were younger, you had you had to wait for that bank statement to come.

SPEAKER_03

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02

And that big bank, and it's not like when we're doing banking online now, because like on that line, you can click a button and I only want to look at my BECU surcharges. I only want to look at my Safeway purchases, I only want to look at my uh PSE bill. Like you have all these different ways to organize it.

SPEAKER_04

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02

And the coolest thing about banking accounts now is you can set it up to force you to save money. Yeah. I was telling you the other day, like, because I avoid using my card like the plague. But recently, just being in the situation I am, I've found myself using my card more. And every time I use my card, it costs me two bucks. And it does not matter if I'm buying one dollar or$500. It costs me$2 every time I use my card.

SPEAKER_00

So I haven't so that it sends two dollars to the card. Automatically. Okay. And here's what's crazy. To have the thing where it would round up to the next dollar. Yeah, I did that. And that was a really good save me a bunch of money for a while. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02

It will, it will. But here's the thing is that so if it rounds up and you're doing, say you use your card 30 times a month and your average roundup is, you know, 60 cents. That's like, you know, what is that? Like 18 bucks?

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, something like that. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02

Okay. Now, those same 30 charges at two bucks a piece, that's 60 bucks.

SPEAKER_04

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02

And you don't miss it because it comes out with the purchase.

SPEAKER_04

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02

So anytime I do like today, we went and we had a treat. We had we had uh coffee tea and and grab stuff for lunch. Sandwiches. Yep. To say uh congratulations and thanks for being here when I couldn't be here and all that kind of fun stuff, all that good friend stuff, right?

SPEAKER_03

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02

And so between the two of those items, I spent$50 today. But four bucks of that automatically goes back into my bank account. So it's it's it's a way for me to, and I automatically round up like that. Like, okay, this purchase was this, this purchase was that. It's$50 gone in my head.

SPEAKER_04

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02

I'll see a little bit of it later. And so, because I used to do the roundup thing too. One year I saved one year, which was the greatest year ever on rounding up your purchases, because Bank of America, not Chase, Bank of America used to have it where you would one dollar transaction charge per would go into your savings and you could round up. So I was round my roundups for an average of a dollar 60 a piece. And my debit card was used for everything. I never used cash. I never carried cash. Yeah. Because especially when I worked in the field for True Green, um, like carrying cash was just a bad idea because shit would I lost my Bluetooth out of my pocket once, and it took me a half hour to find it on an acre of land.

SPEAKER_03

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02

And like I could, or it wasn't, well, it was an acre property, but it wasn't a full acre of land that I was treating. It was like a half acre. And I literally can drive you to that property and go, that one right to this day, because it's out in Lakewood. And I could drive and go, that one right there. I lost it between this side of the pool and this fence right here.

SPEAKER_03

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02

And so I had to re-walk that. So cash was just not a good idea to have. There were some places you could only use cash, uh, which was like out in the boondocks because their uh, you know, internet was so unreliable. Yeah. Um, but I always kept a$10 bill. What's the inter Williams? But I would I would always keep a, you know, like a$10 bill in my go bag that I kept in my work truck with me. Um, but you know, that was like well hidden because there's no better place to hide money if you're a woman than a MyDol pill bottle. And I never have used mydol knock on wood in my entire life.

SPEAKER_04

Okay.

The Pobability Factor

SPEAKER_02

But I had a friend who did. And when their bottle got empty, I was like, can I have that bottle? And I'd keep four quarters and a$10 bill in it. There, no man in their right mind is gonna open up a mydol pill bottle. Because everything because it says right on there, it says right on there, it says for menstrual cramps, which I've never had knock on wood. I know my siblings hate me. I'm such a lucky bitch. Um, but anyways, yeah, I like to pre-plan stuff. I like to look at all, okay, this is life now. What would make life better? What would make life best? So I do that right in those planning stages. And then I also look at it in the reverse order as well. Okay, life is good right now, but what could happen? What would be worse than that? What would be the worst possible thing? So I try to be planning and prepared for everything, which drives my partner nuts. Why are you always planning on this? Why are you always planning on that? It's like this, it's like that. It's like you don't understand. I've had so much unpredictability in my life that now that I enjoy um being able to look at all aspects of the coin, all aspects of the gym, the jewel, however you want to say it, the spectrum, whatever, um, I like to know how I'm gonna handle things. That's how I emotionally prepare myself. Like a recent situation I was involved in. Or am I still involved in it? I don't know. Like my my hands are tied, my hands are done. It's not my problem, it's their problem, right? So a recent situation, I didn't know how to handle it. And I don't know how to handle it because if I treat every and you've and this is being honest, you have seen me enough, you've known me enough for long enough, you've seen me interact enough that I am super nice to everybody. I'm super respectful, I'm super nice until you piss me off.

SPEAKER_04

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02

And then before I even get mad and start running my mouth, I just shut down. I don't talk to you. And if you keep pressing my buttons, then I might talk back a little bit. But if you really push it, then it's gonna be like, hold up, let's have a conversation. Because you're not gonna like it. Because right now and five minutes from now, two different things are gonna happen. Um, so it I was not emotionally prepared for that because when I went into that situation, I was just like, okay, so this is on a day-to-day thing, this is a this is a stressful situation for this individual. I mean, like for anybody in that same situation, right? Here I'm coming in basically as a third party, and it's just like my disposition is let's find something happy and positive and let's just be kind to each other because the rest of the world might not be. And I was not prepared for that situation, but that's why I think because having somebody verbally viciously attack me, not once or twice, but repeatedly, I didn't know, like I was not prepared to deal with that. Yeah, because I didn't put myself in that headspace because my partner's so convinced I shouldn't think and look at the spectrum that way. And after that situation, I am 100% going, you know what? I'm going to, it's not gonna be good, better, best all the time. Yeah, it's gonna be good, better, best, good, bad, ugly. And I need to look at so that's my two sides of the coins that I'll work with.

SPEAKER_04

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02

Because then it like branches out into like a million different pieces. But you have to admit, I did handle that pretty well. I only cried a couple times about it. You're like, I would have backhanded the bitch. That's a nice way to put it.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02

You know, and it's it is what it is. But, anyways, so you stumped your GM, huh? Well, so what was the answer to the riddle? So, what was the answer to the riddle?

SPEAKER_00

I don't remember it. Was something along the lines of ask the dude, ask one of them who lies more, or something like that. It was one of those one of these guys only tells the truth, one of these guys only tells a lie, and they're both guarding doorways.

SPEAKER_02

So pick one to talk to.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, and then choose which doorway to go through.

SPEAKER_02

Did you pick the guy on the left?

SPEAKER_00

I don't remember.

SPEAKER_02

Did you pick the right person?

SPEAKER_00

Yes, eventually we pick the right one.

SPEAKER_02

I'm not gonna give it away, but it should have been the person on the left.

SPEAKER_00

Well, left or right is not relevant. It's the who lies and who tells the truth is the relevant.

SPEAKER_02

But but generally speaking, so the left is for loyalty. So this is an old this this is why you've got your rings on the left. It's fidelity, it's for fidelity and loyalty and honesty. It's a promise of those things. That's why your wedding ring goes there, right? So strictly speaking, going on the fact that you're supposed to keep promises, be honest, loyal, and true. I uh I won't say I always pick the left, but I do. Yeah, and you can only ask one question who does number two work for?

SPEAKER_00

And then you have to decide which door. Um yeah.

SPEAKER_02

I don't know. Like, yeah, I I don't play DD, and it's been a while since I've done an RPG game. Uh, because I'm just kind of stuck in my way right now. Like, so you didn't watch the The Elder Scrolls are evil. Fudge that game. The Elder Scrolls are awesome. I had somebody else say that to me the other day, and I and I went, Oh, I can respect that opinion, but elder scrolls are dead to me. Oh, well, then you should try Skyrim. Fuck that game. And they were like, uh, you're a little opinionated about this. I certainly am, and you're very opinionated that this is a great game line. Why do you like it? Oh, because it's wonderful in the adventures. Yeah, well, I saved the king and he still freaking died. Oh, are you talking about elder scrolls? Yeah, the same people who make Skyrim. I'm not touching any of their products until they fix that glitch.

SPEAKER_00

It's not a glitch.

SPEAKER_02

That's what they said. They were like, but that's what you're supposed to fucking do. That's what's supposed to happen. So you can have all these adventures. You know what? I can have I can have all these adventures without killing a king.

SPEAKER_00

You didn't kill the king. The assassins killed the king.

SPEAKER_02

That's right, but I can blame for him. He wasn't a bad king. He was a little misguided, but he wasn't bad.

SPEAKER_00

He wasn't bad. I don't even know if he was misguided.

SPEAKER_02

He was just fucking He was misguided because he trusted the assassins that were supposed to be his escorts.

SPEAKER_00

No.

SPEAKER_02

It was his Kingsguard. That was two of his Kingsguard that killed him.

SPEAKER_00

No.

SPEAKER_02

Yes.

SPEAKER_00

Nope. It was a group of fucking, I don't remember what they're called, but basically the assassins show up and fucking kill him.

SPEAKER_02

What matters is I saved him. And the game said, no.

SPEAKER_00

Yep. Nope. You thought you saved him, and then another assassin showed up and stabbed him.

SPEAKER_02

I literally never made it out of that cave because I just kept doing it over and over. And I was like, what is I thought I had a bad cave desk. I'm like, nope.

SPEAKER_00

Nope. Jean-Luc is supposed to die.

SPEAKER_02

I know, right? Captain Bicard, no. No, but yeah, there somebody else is trying to defend it the other day, and I'm like, oh no. Just no. I respect you. I'm really glad you enjoy that, but no.

SPEAKER_00

I played the shit out of that game. I played every one of the expansions. Um, one of the ridiculous but also fun things about that game is that you can become the leader of every group.

SPEAKER_04

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00

And so you can become basically the master at everything. Be the leader of the fighters' guild, the leader of the thieves' guild, the leader of two separate assassins' guilds.

SPEAKER_02

And if you were all sitting here in person, you would hear Dagda whispering, and the leader of the lollipop guild, Jalen.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, just for you.

SPEAKER_02

Just for me.

SPEAKER_00

And other height restriction people.

SPEAKER_02

And now how you said you can be the become the leader of all these different groups and guilds. That's what the other per person said. And I looked at him, and I'm dead serious when I say this. Look me in the eyes. And I said, Yeah, well, I'd only make it the leader of the lollipop guild.

SPEAKER_00

Yep. Which doesn't exist in that game.

SPEAKER_02

So it doesn't, exactly.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02

But they were just like, uh, well, what? I'm like, dude, I'm three inches from being an oompalompa. I'm three inches taller than oompaloompa. And they were just like, they didn't know what to say. Some people just don't get my sense of humor. Because it's it's a weird self-deprecating thing. And it's like people don't realize that I'm not actually saying a bad thing about myself. I'm just saying I'm not tall.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, I mean, you're a woman, so it's not a bad thing.

SPEAKER_02

Wah. Wah. Don't worry, you don't have to be tall to cook well. I know.

SPEAKER_00

No, I mean it's because men don't touch don't generally care how tall you are.

SPEAKER_02

I thought you were gonna say because men don't touch you down there. I was just like, listen, Linda. Uh anyway.

SPEAKER_00

Grandma's gonna give you papals.

SPEAKER_02

Listen, at grandma's house, we got no papals. Uh so, anyways, I like the idea of everybody having at least one game to go to. I don't care if it's a tic-tac-toe with yourself. I mean, how can you beat yourself a tic-tac-toe? Can you imagine late night? Okay, I gotta decompress, I need my tic-tac-toe game. X. Oh, X, oh, block. Damn.

unknown

That's literally all it would be.

SPEAKER_00

I remember seeing this um actually playing a little bit of a like preview for a video game on the phone. And I was playing it, and then I realized this is tic-tac-toe. Except it was like it was almost the opposite. So you had um basically you had a figure that you were moving around, a little dude, uh-huh, and you were trying to block off enemy dudes. Uh-huh. And after two or three little scenarios on it, and then I lost on like the fourth one, I was like, oh, this is fucking tic-tac-toe. And it's like, hmm. Except the shape wasn't the same as a standard tic-tac-toe, but it was similar because it was like these intersections, yeah, these grid patterns. Yeah. And so you were moving and you had to move from one intersection to another.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00

And meanwhile, you had m enemies that were moving, and if they came in contact with you, you died. Um, and I was like, oh, this is fucking tic-tac-toe. I didn't even fucking consider that. And then I was like, okay, well, that changes how I'm gonna play this game. Yes. Uh, but yeah.

SPEAKER_02

It's it's it's really interesting in this conversation I had with this other person about elder scrolls and games, then they were very confused and they were like, well, then what kind of games do you like? I'm like, well, I'm an older lady, so yeah, I play bingo. Why would you play bingo? It helps me with number recognition, which it really truly does. It speeds up your number recognition, you know, because you're trying to search this grid pattern for a specific number and you need to do it as quickly as possible before the next one. Because if you have the potential to have all the numbers you need, you want to be able to go me, me, me, right? So even in the digital form, it's the same thing. It's about getting speed and accuracy with the correct numbers. Because let me tell you what, when you hit the wrong button on that game, it lets you know, eh. Yeah, very annoying. And I said, but I was just like, but my big go-to thing, and it's been my go-to game for about 10 years now, and I really love it. I really love it on Steam, especially on Steam. Um, I said, is seven days to die. And this individual was like, why seven days to die? And I'm like, it's a zombie game. Oh, really? I didn't realize that about this game. I mean, I knew it was zombies, but I thought it was more of a, it's not the same as like Call of Duty zombies, which is very um Call of Duty zombies is like the best because it's it's scary and it's loud and it's fast paced. But I use video games now. I don't use video games to get excited like I used to be like, I don't do that anymore. Now it's for me to decompress. And I tell them, I'm like, I'm practicing my homesteading skills. They're like, what? I was just like, well, I know how to do all these practical things in life. And so I do my best practical applications on the game. I'll build a home, I'll build a farm, I'll build a homestead. And I love, love, love to craft like recipes. I love crafting like these jams, these drinks, and jarring them up. One of the playthroughs I did with my uh Seven Days to Die game group when the la one of the last times we played before somebody screwed it up. Thanks, Texas, um, was I had you have these boxes, right? And each box has uh 12 12 across by I think it's 12 down. So 12 times 12 is 144. Yeah. So you could do 144 slots. Each slot, depending on the type of item, would either hold like and when we're talking about like first aid kits, bandages, things. Some of the stuff hold only holds five to a slot, right? Some of them hold 10. But like the foods and stuff on average hold 10. And um, so nothing made me, oh, and then meat. So you have raw meat and raw eggs. Nothing made me happier than having 10. Like you see me clapping my hands. I'm so excited. I had 10 full storage boxes of raw meat. Oh wow. So 1440 times 10 is 14,000. I had 14,000 pieces of meat, and then I had three full egg ones. The and both of these, well, it was okay, look, I can't do that quick in math in my head. Each slot for meat holds 125 units. There's 144 slots times 125. So that's already like 14, it's like 14,000 box times 10 boxes. So 140,000 pieces of meat or something like that. Yeah. And then the same was true with the eggs. And I only had three of those though, because eggs were harder to come by until you got enough chickens. Because I always start out with two coops. But usually by the time I get things going, like really get going, if I'm enjoying the playthrough, I'm enjoying the map, I will end up having 10 boxes of meat, 10 boxes of eggs, 10 boxes of honey, because I like to be a beekeeper. Okay. And then I'll have like an apple orchard, an orange orchard, uh, I do apple, oranges, coconuts, bananas, because that's all you can get. That's in the Darkness Falls mod. And I love it. And I literally, and I was telling this person the other day, I was like, sometimes I just turn the zombies off altogether. I just want to farm. I just want to build the house. I just want to create. That's all I want to do. I don't want to have to worry about some skinny ass demonic bitch coming up behind me going and then calling in a whole bunch of other zombies. I don't want to deal with that.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02

I mean, it's like dealing with bad customers, you know, at a at a store or something. Ugh.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah. Yeah. I've played ARK and I've played the um, what is it? It's one of the Conan games, the Dong Physics game. Uh Conan Exiles.

SPEAKER_02

Okay. Um is that the one with the crocodile that you were telling me about that one time?

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, there's like crocodiles.

SPEAKER_02

That you like punched to death or something one time?

SPEAKER_00

Probably.

SPEAKER_02

Because it ate you. It like you were like, oh shit, and it ate you and killed you, and then you came back and you couldn't didn't have your stuff, so you had to beat it to death with your fists.

SPEAKER_00

Probably. Yeah. Um, and those games, I mean, there's area-specific enemies that you'll have to fight, but it's not like the seven days to die where there's like waves of zombies that will show up and walk through and wipe everything out. It's just there's crocodiles or there's lions or whatever the fuck is in that area, or dinosaurs that are just in that area that they wander around in in their natural environment. Right. And then occasionally a bigger predator will encroach on it or whatever. But usually that takes a while before that starts happening. Um and so although there's like it's far more relaxing because it's just they're in these areas, you don't go to those areas if you don't want to have to deal with them, right? Um and your starting area tends to be a pretty tame one. So there's there might be a predator or two there that you have to fucking deal with occasionally. But for the most part, you can just do your thing and chop down trees and dig up fucking rocks or whatever.

SPEAKER_02

Right, right, right.

SPEAKER_00

And just build your base up a whole bunch before it actually becomes an issue. Um and so and the arc is probably harder as far as dealing with the environment.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah.

The Worst Case Planning

SPEAKER_00

Um, than exiles because you you'll get used to an area, and so you'll just, like I said, you'll know, don't go in over in this little fucking stream because there's gonna be crocodiles. Don't go up in on this plane up here because there's fucking lions or whatever. So if you just stay within your little zone, yeah, you can build up and build up and build up. You can play play the game for months and in one spot. Yeah. Whereas in the fucking uh Seven Days to Die, eventually shit's gonna just start coming at you and you have no fucking stuff.

SPEAKER_02

And that's the whole premise of Seven Days to Die, is every seven days something happens. Now, here's my philosophy with video games. If you're honest with yourself and you know your real world abilities, because I'm like, one of the things that made me hit a wall with Seven Days to Die, I'm just like, I'm not this stupid. And I don't mean it that way. I'm not saying the game's dumb dumbed down for anybody, but when you are a planner and you are a thinker because you've been a gamer so long, and you find that making little plans ahead make predictability more easy to deal with, whether it's good, bad, or ugly.

SPEAKER_04

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02

So, you know, the predictability factor is there. And so for me, it's like every seven days, no matter what you do, you're gonna make so much noise this wave of zombies is gonna come get you. And it's just like, uh, that's stupid. And then you have this thing where there's screamer zombies. You made so much noise, this bitch wandered in and was calling all her friends, hey, chow time. And that's annoying. Yeah, and and uh Neebs Gaming just actually is doing a competition on theirs on a seven days to die. And I think it's a vanilla seven days to die, too, which nothing against it. I just prefer uh Kane's Darkness Falls mod because it's got so many more recipes, and I can make and there's demons and shit. Yeah, there's demons and shit, which is really cool. Um real spells, they summon real demons. That's right, you damn straight it summons real demons. Um oh yeah, there trust me, it's crazy. But, anyways, um so I I I hit that wall and I was just like, I am not this stupid. What the hell is going on? I'm so annoyed by this because it's like, oh, I chopped down three trees. Up, I gotta battle 50 zombies. Like, this is ridiculous. I'm out in the country. Zombies don't live in the country, they're mostly in the freaking cities. Yeah. What the heck? So I adjust the game to my real world skills. What am I good at? What can I do? I can build basic structures if needed. When we were kids, we used to help our grandfather do that. I had one grandfather, well, both grandfathers were carpenters to a degree, but one was very specifically a carpenter, and the other one built houses besides his normal job. That's what he invested in was building houses in and around Tacoma. Um, so I adjust it to my real world skills, and I'm going, okay, like I know how to keep quiet. Uh trust me, I do. And I'm like, if I'm out in the country, right? And I'm building this where nobody can hear. Eating a lot of peaches, I would love to eat peaches in the country. I'm telling you. Anyway, anyways. That was weird. Anyways, um, I'm like, and I'm only running into town to like loot for stuff. That is to me, that is a predictability that if you kept running into town, eventually the say you run to the far side of the town, right? The farthest away from your home, and you work your way back, you know, like because there's always that theory, farthest point first, work your way back. You know what you've eliminated and cleared out. Um, eventually they're gonna move because they will follow you for a certain amount of time, certain distance. Yeah. So at some point it makes sense every few weeks, to me in my head, every few weeks they'd be close enough to the edge of town when they'd hear me going timber that you know, they'd run out into my country shop, whatever.

SPEAKER_04

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02

So I actually have it set up right now. There are other times when I do a playthrough and I set it up for every two weeks. The one right now that I have, because so far this map is really interesting and I'm literally only an hour into it. Um, because uh I I'll set it up for a month just so I can get a feel for the lay of the land. And I I would like to think I'm smart enough if the zombie apocalypse actually happened, uh, I'd be smart enough to raid the city and never go back again.

SPEAKER_03

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02

And do all my shit in fucking deep snow-filled Montana.

SPEAKER_03

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02

I'm saying. Uh, so, anyways, I don't know. I I love the idea of predictability. And of course, you want the odds in your favor when you know how to do stuff.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02

Because how annoyed would you be?

SPEAKER_00

I mean, I I've only played that game for a very brief period of time and got super annoyed.

SPEAKER_02

It's not just that game, but like if you're playing a game that where you in the real world, you know how to build basic structures for security, you know how to do security, you know how to hunt, you know how to do all these normal things, but the game is working. The game works on the premise that you stupid, you don't know nothing.

Two Guards, One Liar

SPEAKER_00

Yeah. And that is one of the problems I have with games, is I mean, yeah, it used to be a vague problem back in the day. Yeah where um they would have um what the fuck? Condemned. I played a game called Condemned. Oh my god. And I played the first and second game and I really liked it. However, there was one thing that constantly happened that really annoyed me, and it was basically there were invisible walls. Yeah. And it's like, oh, there's a box there. You can't go past the box, you can't step over the box, you can't jump over the box, you can't walk around the box. Where that box is, because there's a coating issue, yeah. There's a fucking wall here. Well, it was because they wanted you to follow this particular path.

SPEAKER_04

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00

And it's like, I want to go over there. I can see right over there. That's where I want to go.

SPEAKER_04

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00

There's a box, so you can't go over there. Yeah. Um and they've gotten better about making it so that if there's a wall there, they make sure it's a definitive. Yeah, it's an obvious, legitimate wall, and so therefore, you can't go over there. My roommate Sean had this thing. I don't know if he still does it or not, because he doesn't play in the living room anymore. Um, but he would always do this thing where he would fucking try to take the most difficult path possible. He's like, I want to go over this mountain. And it's like he would spend an hour fucking going over the mountain. He could have fucking gone around the goddamn mountain and been over there for like 45 fucking minutes. But no, he wanted to go over the mountain. So I'm like watching him like, what are you doing? I'd get so fucking frustrated.

SPEAKER_02

Like fucking retarded. Yeah, that's great if you want to explore the mountain the mountain. But here's the reality: in this game, in any game, if you do a real-world application, you need to take the path of biggest safety and least resistance first.

SPEAKER_03

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02

Because seven days to die, those mountains are like Mount Fucking Ephraist. And half the time you gotta end up picking up whatever vehicle you're using to get over the mountains. If it's not by foot, whether it's a bicycle, a moped, a motorcycle, a four by four, whatever. There comes a point where it just you can't get around. You have to pick it up, and then you're moving slow, and then that's when all the wolves show up. And it's like, damn, or the bears. I had it once where I'm like, I didn't want to go around. I'm like, the trader's right there. I just need to go over this mountain range because I know the trader's right there because it was the Nasgane uh map. Okay. Three quarters of the way up, I have to pick up my bike. I'm like, okay, once I get to the top, I'm gonna put this bike back down. Forgot to put it in my quick hot bar.

SPEAKER_00

Okay.

SPEAKER_02

Get 10 steps from the very top. And there were four bears. And I'm like, ugh. Because bears hunting packs. Apparently. There was four bears. And I was like, uh, trying to stop the game and everything because you can't pause it and then move your inventory. You have to do your inventory while the game's on. And it's like, uh, yeah. I was not pleased. I did make it out alive with 13% health, dropping blood and dying. But at least I'd got that bike back into my hot bar, put it down, rode it halfway down the mountain before I died. So that when I respawned, I could go to my bag, my bike, but it was like a 2.7 kilometer trek. I was pissed because I had to do it like I had to build like plant clothing and everything. Oh, so mad that time. So mad. Anyways, that's what but that's the fun of video games is if you find something you like, yeah, you can start practicing predictability and what's good for you.

SPEAKER_04

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02

And I think in video games, especially farming games, it's a good idea to I I for me, it seems to me like since I've been playing these different games where I'm farming and I'm doing this, that, and the other, it makes being prepared for other things a lot easier. Because it's like, oh, okay, so I'm hungry now. I have a 12-pack of eggs left. I'm hungry now. Now, I could eat a piece of fruit and be fine, or I could eat these eggs, which would be better. But if I save the eggs until I can go buy that pack of baloney and fry it all together, it'd be even best. So it just gives me a different way to look at it. Not baloney, though. I don't fucking eat baloney, not anymore.

SPEAKER_00

Also, like it's you're much more likely to do something if you have, I guess, mentally rehearsed it. Um, or at the very least, considered it a possibility.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00

Like, uh, probably told you this before, but um there's this dude I used to follow. I haven't listened to any of his stuff recently, but uh um his name is Tim Larkin.

SPEAKER_04

Uh-huh.

SPEAKER_00

And he wrote a book called Surviving the Most Five Most Important Five Seconds of Your Life, or something along those lines. Uh-huh. Anyway, he created a self-defense uh course system called target focused training.

SPEAKER_02

Right, right, right.

SPEAKER_00

Anyway, he talks about how um in many SA cases and deletion cases, the perpetrator will have scratches all over their face.

SPEAKER_04

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00

Um, and the fact of the matter is, if you can scratch somebody's face, you can poke their eye out.

SPEAKER_02

Damn straight.

SPEAKER_00

The thing is, humans by default are set to not hurt other humans. Yes. Um and so if you've never considered what you would do in a situation like that, you just panic and don't realize here is a Target that is available to me that can end this situation at least temporarily. Um, and I need to attack it. Um but like I said, it almost never happens.

Rage, Rage Again

SPEAKER_02

Humans truly, we truly are, and we have, and this is just evolution of nature. We have turned in from lone survivors to pack animals over the evolution of the last, especially the last 1500 years. Yeah. Where people started realizing, oh, you know, I might live more than 30 years if I have somebody who will work with me when I'm not feeling well and maybe go, I don't know, hunting with me instead of that mastodon killing me. Obviously, a mastodon is older than 1500 years, but you get the point.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah. Um, we might be bringing them back.

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I know.

SPEAKER_02

Woolly mammoth.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02

Which would be really interesting because that would be a massive food source.

SPEAKER_00

Well, also, so kind of interesting thing. Um they were talking about so one of the areas that they used to be big in uh is Siberia.

SPEAKER_04

Uh-huh.

SPEAKER_00

And so they were talking about bringing them back and potentially releasing them in that region. Um, and the reason is it would basically slow down global warming. Uh it was something to do with the tree coverage and limiting it would re release more or reduce carbon emission or something. I don't remember exactly what it was. But basically releasing a large herbivore into that region that would basically eat a bunch of the stuff and for some reason slow down global warming.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah, I would think it would speed it up, but I think it I think the idea is to eat the dead old growth, because they'll they'll herbivores will eat the dead old growth, which promotes new growth, which means we're gonna have more uh chlorophyll production, which means we're gonna have more cleaning probabilities.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02

Because a lot of people don't understand you need trees to have breathable air, but yeah, I'm just saying.

SPEAKER_00

Well, the Amazon produces the majority of it as far as right, as far as land plants are concerned. The majority of it is actually produced by stuff in the water, but yeah.

SPEAKER_02

It's it's it's an interesting idea. We'll see. My only thing is I do not wish to see any as much as I say velociraptors are my favorite dinosaur, I don't want to see any dinosaurs. We have crocodiles and alligators, that's enough for me. We also have uh what's that stupid fish that has the light that comes off their head?

SPEAKER_00

Oh, anglerfish.

SPEAKER_02

We have anglerfish, and we also have co uh it starts with a C, it's a big long name. They just went extinct within the last 50, 100 years. Okay, cochlear or something like that. Anyways, I don't know.

SPEAKER_00

I mean, we have a bunch of prehistoric animals still roaming the earth that were around either during or even before the dinosaurs, like alligators and crocodiles, yeah, sharks, stuff like that.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah, I'm I'm good with the predators we have now. I mean, like, you know, woolly mammoths, I get woolly mammoths. If you're gonna make a woolly mammoth farm just so you can get their fur and have them clean up old dead growth so it promotes new growth, because one of the things that does happen with herbivores is they eat the plants and they're constantly reseeding. Yeah, and that's and that's a huge thing that a lot of people don't understand. Like a lot of people be like, get the fucking birds out of here. They're constantly reseeding on earth. Just we don't need it, we don't want it in urban areas because it makes it harder to develop if it's constantly being re-seeded in urban areas.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, there was a hilarious thing. Well, it isn't hilarious, it's fucked up, but it's also hilarious. Um, so in China, um, there was a certain type of bird that um they decided to kill off. Okay. Because it the reason for it was that it eats a certain amount of their fucking crops. Crops, their seed crops. Um although the truth of the matter is the amount of the seeds that they ate was very small. And so when they killed them off, they almost entirely wiped out this species for the purpose of protecting their crops. What ended up happening is the bugs ate their crops, and it made it worse.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah, because wasn't it the dodo bird?

SPEAKER_00

No, no, no. The dodo bird was in some Pacific Island. Oh that was like in like the 17 or 10 years.

SPEAKER_02

Taste like chicken.

SPEAKER_00

Well, it was just it was so fucking it wasn't afraid of humans. Yeah, it was a flightless bird that could just walk up and kill it. So humans being lazy, they fucking went out there out. There's all these things everywhere. We'll just fucking kill them and eat them, and then eventually there weren't any more of them.

Home on The Simulation Range

SPEAKER_02

So stupidity. I mean, humans are inherently stupid. I say that all the time, and I'm a human, and I'll tell you what, until you learn how to calm your ass down and start having forward thinking and thought processes and pre-planning, and you know, and that's not a disrespect to anybody out there. I am a human, I feel I am inherently stupid, and I constantly have to work on thinking of the betterment of myself and the betterment of my fellow man, i.e., anybody I interact with, I will treat you with kid gloves until you're too stupid. Then maybe you need a whoopin. But I I do. I treat people with kid gloves for a lot of parts. Now, do I sugarcoat everything? No, I had this conversation with somebody yesterday. We were talking, I was talking about how much I appreciate them. And I said, I love the fact that you and I are so similar. And she was just like, she goes, Yep, I'm direct, and I don't sugarcoat shit. And I said, Yes, and I'm direct, but I'm much more PC than you can be. And I was just like, and there's a reason for that because I haven't hit that level of intolerance where I've been as nice as I can be to you, you idiot. And so we got we got a good laugh out of that that we were on the same spectrum. We just have two different approaches, how we dole out and we display it. And it's like, you know, and we laughed about it heartily, heartily laughed about it. Because I'm just like, I'm very direct, and some people cannot handle that. People, some people cannot handle it because we're in an over PC world.

SPEAKER_03

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02

And it's funny because my partner, when I talk about being in a PC world and being very PC, he's like, Oh, I can't stand that being all politically correct. And I was just like, the idea of being PC is being fair in what you're speaking to where you're not offending the majority of people. I was like, you can tell anybody they're stupid. It's how you do it. You can tell anybody you're wrong, it's how you do it. What you can't go is just look at them and go, you're an idiot, you're wrong. We don't allow that anymore. Circa 2020 happened and nobody will tolerate it anymore. Yeah. And it started even before that. I would say it started in the 2010s. All of a sudden it was like, oh no, you are not gonna tell me that because of my 67 IQ that I actually fall in a classification. I'm not ding dong ding dong ding dong.

SPEAKER_04

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02

Then it did start about 2010, where we started looking at being PC beyond. Because there is there is nothing wrong with me having a conversation with you. And if you're completely wrong about something, I would look at you and say in public, not in private, in public. So we're using a public example because when you're this close of friends, you don't you don't pull punches. You just you hit as hard as you can below the belt. What kind of retarded shit are you trying to do? Bang, nutshot. Um, so but in public, I would, if you were wrong about something, I would say, Well, oh, okay, Dagged it, you're not a hundred percent right here. Um, so that was the old way that we things used to be done, but now we have to do steps A, B, and C. And that's when you say, the fuck, that's retarded. And I'd say, I know, but that's how we need to do it now because that's the acceptable practices now. That is PC. That is direct, but that is PC.

SPEAKER_00

Well, we'll see about that PC when the fucking zombie is eating your asshole.

SPEAKER_02

Right. But what we want to say is, hey, dummy, that's not what happens. You're supposed to do it this way. Why? Because they're stupid. I don't know what to tell you. But we don't do that. We do the PC way. So there's a difference between being PC and you know, and being like overly. I attended a class recently with somebody who uh had a pronoun issue.

SPEAKER_00

Okay.

SPEAKER_02

And they made it when somebody mispronounced them because of their physical appearance, they became it, it was like it was like watching a TV soap opera.

SPEAKER_00

I feel like I'm part of a telenovela.

The Wrap Up

SPEAKER_02

Uh exactly. And what's really sad is that everybody in this classroom became very quiet, but the instructor and said, I apologize, I'm not aware, because obviously your name does not reflect that gender identity, and you did not let anybody know you had a gender identity. This person with this pronoun issue went, it's obvious, isn't it? And I'm not kidding when every head in that class turned away going, okay, well, you know, we all want to respect that you feel this is your gender. However, it probably wasn't a good idea to come to class with uh certain attributes of the opposing sex of how you feel. I'm trying to be very PC about this. Now, if I wasn't being PC, I would say if you are a transforming person, that's fine. That's cool, that's your thing. But do not come in here with a shaggy beard growth wearing Levi 501s and shit kicker boots and tell me you've misidentified me when you didn't let me know otherwise.

SPEAKER_03

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02

And that's not a male-female assumptive thing. It's like facial hair is a big definitive for masculinity or testosterone.

SPEAKER_04

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02

Which trust me, I know enough, I know enough women. I know a lady who is, I thought she was much older than she is. She's only 63 years old, and she has a she has more of a beard than you do. Currently or currently. Well, I mean, I don't know. Maybe you've been figured out.

SPEAKER_00

Well, that's all she's got, too, is a goatee. Wow.

SPEAKER_02

But she's super nice. I would never call her out for it. So, anyways, this the class was interesting, and so I can PC say it. So you see the two differences on how to say it PC and not PC. Me personally, I just prefer to call everybody by their name. And that what works for me because this one time in recent history, I called somebody who was a female identifier, which I'm gonna be in trouble because I have a tendency to call everybody dude. Nope, we all do. Okay, we all do, but anyways, uh, but the man and guys. I say bro lot for the girls. Uh, anyways, so that's the thing about being shit, a gamer. I'm running out of time. I got some commitments to take care of. Here's the thing about being a gamer is that we can take our lessons from gaming and make probable predictions for our life. And if we take those probable predictions and we're always pre-planning, then we can have so much better outcomes. Everybody should pre-plan predictabilities.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, yeah. Especially things that are relatively likely to happen in your lifetime.

SPEAKER_02

Put it in your control.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02

Now you can't you can't fix stupid and you can't fix what other people say, but you can fix how you interpret it.

SPEAKER_04

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02

Because trust me, in my head, at least once a week, I go, Oh, that's so cute. You just said something besides a three-letter word. Cat meow. Look at you, you said meow. But that stays in my head because my filter's not fucking broken.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02

Think about it, people. Possible predictabilities, pre-planned for predictabilities. And have a fantastic and not fucked up day.

SPEAKER_00

Later.

SPEAKER_01

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