King or Koontz

 Jen and Dagda kick off with wildly unfiltered life talk, then dive headfirst into books, movies, and the authors who shaped modern horror and thriller fiction. From debating the Dungeons & Dragons and Warcraft films, to comparing Stephen King vs. Dean Koontz, to nerding out over Brandon Sanderson’s MistBorn, this episode is a pop-culture spiral in the best way. They also detour into why horror evolves (zombies → mind powers → robot fear), touch on the real-world impact of AI on jobs, and finish with passionate Dresden Files dream-casting rules that must be obeyed.

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Transcript

SPEAKER_04 0:03

Welcome to Everyday Life. Thank you for joining our podcast, Conversations Over Coffee. My name is Jen. And I'm Dagda. And we're gonna hit you with the explicit content warning right off the bat. This podcast does include adult situations and adult language from time to time.

SPEAKER_00 0:22

I'm an angel. I never fucking cuss.

SPEAKER_04 0:25

Okay. Anyways, you ready to go?

SPEAKER_00 0:28

Oh yeah.

SPEAKER_04 0:29

Alright, let's go.

SPEAKER_03 0:36

I avoid wrinkly balls at all cost. Well, it's okay. There's okay, so I get the testicles are supposed to be wrinkly. I understand why. Like I said, the bellow.

SPEAKER_00 0:46

The ball sack is supposed to be wrinkly, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 0:47

Yeah, I get it. But it's like sometimes what's really weird to me is if testicles are cold and wrinkly at the same time.

SPEAKER_00 0:56

I mean, they get more wrinkly because the everything shrinks up. Shrunks up, and then it's yeah, that's it.

SPEAKER_03 1:02

It's it's just a weird mental thing. Like, uh, are you scared of my warm hands? Or or or that's the even creepier thing is when you grab wrinkly cold balls, all of a sudden they're not so wrinkly. Yeah, they like sit there like a fat guy eating a hot soup. Ah, it's like, you know. It's anyways, but you're the one who watches the weird I moisturize my balls four times a day. Like testicles, he said, four times a day. And they're still wrinkly. Guess what? I pray to Jesus four times a day, and I still want to hit bitches.

SPEAKER_00 1:35

What was that thing that you saw the other day? It was like, Dear Lord, please grant me patience. Because if you grant me strength, I'm gonna I don't I don't have bail money. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:46

Dear Lord, please grant me patience because if you grant me strength, I don't have the bail money.

SPEAKER_06 1:52

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:53

If facts, I was talking to somebody, I want to say it was like last week, maybe a week and a half ago, and she goes, People are wild today. I'm like, oh yeah. She's like, How are you doing today? Like, I can see it on your face, you got some concerns. And I looked at her and I said, I'm not a religious person, but I pray to Jesus today. And she goes, she goes, that's good though. That's the start. And I said, No, I pray to Jesus that these people better remember that I'm praying to Jesus. She was like, Yeah, like she wanted me to get aggressive. And I'm just like, I'm not gonna get aggressive, but I'm like, you see this look on my face? And this this is my praying to Jesus look. And she's like, Yeah, I was just like, if you see that, you know somebody's acting foolish, and I'm praying to Jesus that Jesus lets some karma come in there, correct it, and gets them the hell out of my eyesight. And it was so funny because like four or five other times that I interacted with her, she was like, I see Jesus. I see Jesus. Yes, you do.

SPEAKER_00 2:58

Nice.

SPEAKER_03 3:00

So, how are you doing today?

SPEAKER_00 3:02

I'm doing all right.

SPEAKER_03 3:03

Balls are appropriately wrinkly and all that kind of good stuff.

SPEAKER_00 3:06

Yes.

The Polar Plunge

SPEAKER_03 3:06

Maybe you should moisturize more than four times a day. You're like, fuck it. My bowls get an ice bath. YOLO!

SPEAKER_00 3:16

Then they'll be extra wrinkly for a little bit.

SPEAKER_03 3:18

Well, you know, they just did the polar butter plunge here in Pierce County.

SPEAKER_00 3:21

Oh, they did?

SPEAKER_03 3:21

Yeah, in uh in in downtown Tacoma on the waterfront. Every year they do the polar plunge, and that's to help support like um special needs and all that kind of stuff. Uh yes, and they all look like they had inverted genital areas when they came.

SPEAKER_00 3:39

And there'll be some shrinkage.

SPEAKER_03 3:41

I'd like like one picture I saw, a guy had both of his nipples covered, and I was just like, yeah, that's not where I would be covering, but you know, I don't like ice bass. I don't like polar plunges because it makes every crack and crevice hurt, like ache in the wrong, the worst way. Because there's good ache and bad ache, right?

SPEAKER_00 4:02

Sure.

SPEAKER_03 4:03

Well, it's better than what was the one we just you were chuckling about that we just I would rather have things ache than be dix Dixinormous.

SPEAKER_00 4:13

I don't remember, I just remember the Dixie Normous part though, those of the meme, right?

SPEAKER_03 4:18

Yeah, that's what I'm saying. I would rather have my cracks and crevices ache than have to deal with Dixie Normous.

SPEAKER_00 4:23

Okay, Dixie.

SPEAKER_03 4:24

She'd look meanormous. She looked mean, she looked like she could knock somebody's teeth out.

SPEAKER_00 4:29

She looked rough, like she looked like uh maybe uh Michelle Irish. Michelle Rodriguez's daughter.

SPEAKER_03 4:36

Right?

SPEAKER_00 4:36

Like that's angry thing or two.

SPEAKER_03 4:40

Oh, wait, like Michelle Rodriguez angry or just her daughter, and she's angry about being Michelle Rodriguez's daughter. Sure. We gotta be very specific with I like Michelle Rodriguez. I think she's great. I loved her in that that DD that everybody hates. I loved her in that Dungeons and Dragon movie. I thought she did a great representation of women's in strength, and but of course, I found that movie hilarious too.

SPEAKER_00 5:05

Yeah, I mean. I know. Yeah, there it is. The movie did it was okay, but it failed at being a DD movie.

D&D: Honor Among Thieves

SPEAKER_03 5:19

Well, the idea behind it was really good, and considering I think only one of the people that were actually in the movie are really actually pen and paper role player gamers, and that was the guy who played the like I think it's what what was he, a cleric or he was a magician or something, or magician wizard, damn it.

SPEAKER_00 5:35

Okay, so the dude who played the sorcerer?

SPEAKER_03 5:38

Yes. So I'm pretty sure in real life he has done some pen and paper roleplay gaming. I don't think the rest of them have.

SPEAKER_00 5:45

Um, so yeah, I know that they played a game uh as sort of a kind of a sort of kind of introduction to what they were supposed to be doing.

SPEAKER_03 5:56

I'm pretty sure Michelle Rodriguez has been in on a a game night or two, because you know, her and Vin Diesel used to date, and but they've also been best friends, like really close friends for like 25 years or whatever as well after dating. Um okay, so but you know, somebody is in that movie, and that's that's my partner does not like that person except for in Star Trek. Okay, otherwise it's like you know, and I'm just like, you know, whatever. Um I like I think that's literally the only movie that I've watched that had him in it. Oh, you've never seen This Is War with Tom Hardy and Reese Witherspoon? It's a rom com and it's freaking fantastic. I've not seen that Star Trek, Star Trek Into Darkness.

SPEAKER_00 6:39

Yeah, I definitely have not seen the those Star Trek movies.

SPEAKER_03 6:43

How the fuck are we friends sometimes? I hate Elder Scrolls. You haven't seen Star Trek Into Darkness with Benedict Cumberback.

SPEAKER_00 6:50

Of course not. Of course not.

SPEAKER_03 6:52

It's a meeting of the minds, it's definitely not the meeting of the mentalities, that's for sure. Well, I well, okay, so I like the D. I liked the DD movie. It was great. And it's because I don't play DD, I understand the premise. And now there were a few things where when I was watching it for the second or third time, where I was just like, that's not right. And I knew it wasn't right. I knew it was not in the realm of what should have been in the world at that time. So I knew that because we've talked about pen and paper role play enough, right? But I'll tell you the one I liked even better, and people argue with me all the time, and I'm like, I don't care. It was enjoyable for me, and that's all that matters. And that was Warcraft.

SPEAKER_00 7:31

I've not seen that. I've not seen the Warcraft movie.

SPEAKER_03 7:34

You are not a gamer. You I can't even believe that. It was so good. It really, really to me, it was really, really good. It was a well-balanced story. It was just fantastic.

SPEAKER_00 7:48

I did, I I did and still do kind of want to watch it, but I've never never watched it. I I think it's on Netflix right now.

SPEAKER_03 7:56

It might be on Netflix right now. I don't know. I do what I do know is that they were going to do another one, but I uh, you know, um the timing wasn't right or whatever, and they thought they would get a more of a response than they did. And I thought they did fairly well for what the budget was for what they earned on it. But I I guess anymore, that's not enough money.

SPEAKER_05 8:18

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 8:18

You know, but it was it was a it was a very to me, for me. And it's like I said, pen and paper roll plate, not my not my thing. But in the Dungeons and Dragon ones, I knew there were things that were out of step, out of place. I knew that.

SPEAKER_05 8:31

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 8:31

But with the Warcraft one, I was just like, that's probable that this that this conflict would happen, happen, and this would happen during the conflict, and the outcome could be this. That is probable, depending on how you play your game. And it was a very like when they talked about what the outcome was gonna be, it was very, a very reasonable in-movie discussion about how it could be.

SPEAKER_00 8:56

Yeah. Well, with the Warcraft, for one thing, it hasn't been around as long as DD. Number one.

SPEAKER_02 9:02

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 9:02

Number two, the races and classes um in Warcraft are far simpler. Uh-huh. Um there's much less, I don't want to say depth, but there's much less complex complexity with the various classes.

SPEAKER_02 9:25

Okay.

Warcraft Movie

SPEAKER_00 9:26

Um in especially in kind of like the choices that you have to make to build your character into what you want it to be. It's far narrower because it has to be because it's a video game. Yeah. Um, and a lot of the mechanics aren't as obvious to all the players. I mean, some of them they get super in-depth into the statistics or whatever of each thing that you do and each power that you have and blah blah blah. Um, but in Dungeons and Dragons, it's far more on the surface because you have to do the math.

SPEAKER_07 10:04

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 10:05

Um and so as a result, people who play DD know way more generally about what a paladin is supposed to be and what they are capable of. Yeah. Or what a sorcerer, which is what the magic user dude was, or what a druid, which is what the tiefling chick was. Um, and what a barbarian, which is what Michelle Rodriguez's character was.

SPEAKER_03 10:32

And she did uh like out of everybody there, her and the sorcerer, I absolutely just adored. I I adored uh the way they handled themselves. I I I just I really in that movie I really enjoyed the way crossed.

SPEAKER_00 10:46

Problems with the movie have nothing to do with the actors.

SPEAKER_03 10:50

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 10:51

Um, or their acting in the movie. Yeah, it has to be a good thing. It has to do with the technicalities of what they're doing and the fact that they did a piss poor job of representing what DD actually is.

SPEAKER_03 11:03

Well, because they didn't have a director who was a DD player, did they?

SPEAKER_00 11:06

Um, they had a Kevin Foggy version. In other words, Kevin Feige? Yeah, Kevin Feige. Uh so they had somebody who was over the who was supposed to fucking keep them on, okay. This is what's supposed to happen. This is what a fucking druid is capable of, not what they actually did with the druid.

SPEAKER_03 11:28

There are so many, and I gotta say this, there are so many people who were on YouTube, who are on TikTok, who are on Reddit, who are on all these different platforms going, hey, I'm a DM and I know it, that they could get great consultation from. Even Vin Diesel has been playing for like 45 fucking years. Yes. Matthew Lillard, 40, 40 plus years. Yeah. Uh William Shatner, 40 plus years. All these different people actually play.

SPEAKER_00 11:58

So if you didn't Will Wheaton.

SPEAKER_03 12:00

Will Wheaton should have oversaw that movie because I bet you it would have been even better. For me, it would have been even better, probably. And for you, it was probably be so not so angry.

SPEAKER_00 12:09

I mean they failed a bunch. Not to say that the movie was bad. It's a bad D movie, it's not a bad movie.

SPEAKER_03 12:19

Hey, there you go. That's the way to say it.

SPEAKER_00 12:21

And just like fourth edition DD was a bad D game, it's not a bad game. It's actually really cool. But they did so much to fuck with what DD was that it made it a lot of people hated it. So, um this kind of so there's supposed to be you know who Brandon Sanderson is.

SPEAKER_03 12:43

He's a writer, a very famous writer who's got like 118 books out there, yes. He doesn't have that many, but I'm pretty sure he does because I recently saw a place that had four fucking a full bookshelf, uh, all Brandon Sanderson, no double titles.

Brandon Sanderson : Mistborn and Cosmere

SPEAKER_00 13:00

So well he's got like three is it three? He's got at least two series that have a fair number of books in each series. Okay. Um, and then he's got a couple other series. Like he's got a superhero series, he's got a series that is a I I think it's about like a I've never read this series, so it's like uh Alcatraz. Okay, and I think it's it basically like a um Encyclopedia Brown or Hardy Boys type series, I do believe. Um and then he has um the uh Cosmere, which is a bunch of interrelated series. Each one of them is a standalone series, but they're actually related to each other. Um and there's a character who goes between a bunch of the different worlds because they're actually on different planets. Um but anyway, the Mistborn, which is one of his earliest series and most popular. Um Mistborn and um Stormlight Archives are his two most popular ones, as far as I know. Um, but the Mistborn series is supposed to be getting a movie. Um and he is actually writing, or at least doing the initial writing of the uh script. So I'm kind of excited. I'm also a little bit worried, but it looks like he's getting a lot of um almost an unprecedented amount of control over what the movie is going to be. Um because it's really fucking cool. It's also like a heist. The the very first um book, Mistborn, is a heist novel. Um, but it has magic.

SPEAKER_03 15:05

Yeah. So he's written about 80 different books, novellas, blah, blah, blah, blah. About 80 of them now. 71 and counting as of 2023. The guesstimate is now he's been involved in more, so it is 80. So I wasn't actually that I was only 20% off, which is just like measuring a penis. When a guy goes, I got eight inches, you really got six and a half, it's all good. But um fair. If I'm within 20%, not knowing the author, other than he's a famous author who's got a bunch of books, I think that's fair.

SPEAKER_00 15:35

So um it makes me think of uh one of my friends, we were talking about Stephen King. He's like, Oh, he's got like a hundred books. I'm like, what are you talking about? He's got 40. At that time, he had written 40 novels. Uh-huh. Um, and I was like, if you want to talk about something like that, you're talking like Isaac Osmoff, who Osmoff? Yeah, he put out a bunch of books, and that's on top of he was a college professor.

SPEAKER_06 16:02

Uh-huh.

SPEAKER_00 16:03

So, like that dude was insane. Although a lot of the books are shorter than what are typical novels nowadays.

SPEAKER_06 16:11

Mm-hmm.

SPEAKER_00 16:12

Because this was back in like the 40s and 50s and shit. Um, but yeah.

SPEAKER_03 16:17

Yeah, it's uh it's it's really interesting. So Stephen King himself has done Ooh, that's a lot. He's done more than 60, right?

SPEAKER_05 16:27

Okay.

SPEAKER_03 16:28

Um, but there actually has done 67 underneath uh his name. Uh one account says 67 plus the other one says 85. So who f knows, right?

SPEAKER_00 16:41

Yeah. So Well, so in some of those he was writing under a different pen name, I assume?

SPEAKER_03 16:48

Yes. Seven of them he was under Richard Bachman, I think.

SPEAKER_00 16:51

Okay.

The Prolific Author Rabbit Hole

SPEAKER_03 16:52

It's it's kind of it's kind of funny when when we go somewhere and we feel like we're bombarded with these authors, we'll feel like, like, yeah, I I I understand 80 to 118 is not 20% difference. It's more like 33.9, but you know, I'm close enough. Just saying. Um, so as of this moment, dun dun dun dun dun dun, based on the different definition of books, novels, novellas, or all published works, the most prolific author includes Corintelado with over 4,000 works, and Ryoki Inoi with over a thousand, while Guinness World Records formally recognized L. Ron Hubbard with 1,084 pieces of work. Really? So it depends on your definition. So the Spanish romance writer, over 4,000 pieces of work that includes uh over 400, they sold over 400 billion books. Rayochi Innoy is a Brazilian author holding the record for the most books published, which is 1,075. Um, and that's primarily in thriller and sci-fi genre. And then L. Ron Hubbard, it has the most published works by one author, which is 1,084. And Barbara Cartland is a romance author with 723 books published to her name. Uh, and that's insane.

SPEAKER_00 18:14

Yeah, that's crazy. Um L. Ron Hubbard, I wonder if though if they're counting each one of his articles.

SPEAKER_03 18:21

Yes, they're counting everything as articles.

SPEAKER_00 18:24

Yeah, because like the Battlefield Earth was a long-running series in like sci-fi magazine or something like that, and then it got consolidated into an actual novel, which is a fucking huge novel, but so it's really it's really interesting because when when I typed in what author, what what is the most books ever written by one author?

SPEAKER_03 18:47

It's still citing L. Ron Hubbard at 1,084, because his published works could be as short as a 10-page article, it's still his published work.

SPEAKER_05 18:57

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 18:57

And as much as a big but here's the most interesting thing. The last piece that he actually did was in 2006. And then when you go, what author has the most books of all time? It goes back to the Brazilian author Ryoki Inoi. And I'm so sorry if I'm saying it wrong. I'm not Brazilian.

SPEAKER_00 19:16

It sounds like he's Japanese. He sounds like a Brazilian author Rioki huge Japanese um group in Brazil. There's a huge bunch of people that move from Japan to Brazil.

SPEAKER_03 19:30

And the world, the overall number one author in the entire world. In the entire world, the number one author, guess who it is?

SPEAKER_00 19:40

I have no idea. I'm going to assume it's going to be a romance novel.

SPEAKER_03 19:44

William Shakespeare.

SPEAKER_00 19:46

Ah, okay. Okay.

SPEAKER_03 19:47

There is not a single number one writer. So, as greatness is subjective, but William Shakespeare is often cited due to his unmatched influence and impact on English language and the massive amounts of billions and billions and billions of copies sold. Billions and billions and billions of dollars.

SPEAKER_00 20:05

Yeah, I mean for one thing, he hits on multiple industries, right? So the fucking um the theater industry is constantly redoing his stuff, which basically keeps him constantly in the public mind, which is a good thing for him, right? Or his estate, let's say, if his estate could still make money off of him, which it probably does. I mean, his stuff is all public at this point, it's all in the public domain, but you just say, Well, I'm part of the estate of William Shakespeare and give me my seems like it, right?

SPEAKER_03 20:47

Well, and what's really interesting is when we talk about a little bit more modern, like the genres like that we uh probably more uh read or listen to. Obviously, we do a little bit of horror, a little bit of thriller, a little bit of this, that, and the other. Supernatural seems supernatural and sci-fi seem to go kind of hand in hand.

SPEAKER_00 21:05

Yeah. I mean sci-fi and fantasy are kind of synonyms. Um, because technically anything that isn't real is fantasy.

SPEAKER_03 21:16

Right.

SPEAKER_00 21:17

Which also science fiction is also right now, as far as the definition of the words themselves, they're the same thing.

SPEAKER_06 21:26

Correct.

SPEAKER_00 21:26

Um, but as genres, they're significantly different, although there is some overlap, especially if you're watching stuff like Star Wars and space magic and shit.

SPEAKER_03 21:41

So what's really interesting is when we talk about these more now, a lot of people might be more familiar with Stephen King because some of his best works were just you know out there, you know, put into movies.

SPEAKER_00 21:56

Yeah, so many of his stuff has been put into movies.

SPEAKER_03 22:00

Um Christine, which just so you know, that's really creepy to have all those C names.

SPEAKER_00 22:05

Um The Shining.

SPEAKER_03 22:06

The Shining, yeah, the Shining, it. It, it honestly, the the movie, the um, the mini-series It from the 1990s with Tim Curry and everything, I think that really catapulted more people really paying attention to Stephen King's stuff because Carrie was done within four years of being written, and Cujo, I think the same thing. And then, but you've got all you've got all that, and I think more people just recognize him more because so much comes out at once. But the actual more popular modern writer, as far as the supernatural may go, is actually the one who's done more, is actually Dean Koontz.

SPEAKER_05 22:48

Okay.

SPEAKER_03 22:49

Dean Koontz has written over 140 novels. That is just novels. That is not novellas, that is not our, you know, articles, published works, co-authored. It's him himself. And I have read quite a few of them. The one I most recently read was The House at the End of the World, and it was really good because it did not leave the exact same spin that you normally get in a Dean Kuntz book, which is at the end of it all, there is, you know, pretty much with Dean Kuntz for the most part, it ends up being that either a higher power or a higher moral compass or the higher draw to do good for humanity is what will conquer and win. That's not how it always is. Obviously, we know how Odd Thomas series ends. We know how it ends. And um, it's it's not what you and I would consider a like it's not what the average person would consider a great ending, obviously, right? And I just, I mean, I just recently reread that and it was just like, damn it, why, why, why, why? But it ended the way it was supposed to end, which was not perfect. Yeah, it ended, you know, and that's the thing. But yeah, he has written 140 novels. Um, there is not what is considered uh one best, he has many tied, but of his 140 novels, 16 movies have been made out of those novels. Oh wow, and that's something a lot of people don't realize because here's the thing there are some really good, well done, in my opinion, because I've read the books and I love Dean Koontz, and I love the ideology of good versus good can and will prevail. Yeah, and not but it's he's got two ideologies, good can and will prevail, right? But the bigger ideology of what he puts out there is what is best for the situation, what is best for humankind is what's going to prevail. Now, for me, uh Stephen King, my favorite Stephen King movie happens to be Dreamcatcher.

SPEAKER_00 24:57

Okay.

SPEAKER_03 24:58

I love that. And that's fair.

SPEAKER_00 24:59

I think I've seen that one. That's someone with the one of the friends of the like friend group is a alien. Yes. Okay.

SPEAKER_03 25:09

And believe it or not, that's actually Donnie Wahlberg put up in makeup to act as Henry. His name is his name Henry? I don't remember.

SPEAKER_00 25:19

I think so.

SPEAKER_03 25:20

No, Henry's one of the Henry's the guy who Thomas Jane plays. Uh okay. But anyways, so you you've got Thomas Jane in it. You've got the English guy who looks like a very skinny version of my partner, which is really the redheaded guy with the big orange, the with the red beard. Yeah, I don't remember. He looks like he looks like a his name is Damien Lewis, I think. Um, but I literally I'm not the only one who sees it. And they're like, whoa, if your partner was like 75 pounds lighter, because that guy is only like 140 pounds, they're like, oh my god, I'm like, yeah. I'm like, yeah, I yeah, I don't think he looks anything like Bear Gorillas at all. And or Josh, whatever his name is. There's cut people have tried to say that in the past because of his size, because he's so strong and tall. And I'm like, no, he looks like this guy. I mean, Barr Gorillis is way smaller than oh yeah, I know, but you know, how people are, especially stupid people trying to get into stupid, anyways, smart, gonna let that go. So, anyways, um, so I really love Dreamcatchers, it's it's a very well done and all that. But my favorite Dean Coons that's been the series is Odd Thomas. Obviously, it's done very, very well. Um and I really our IP Anton Yeltsin, we've talked about him before. I would love, you know, this is so crazy. It's gonna sound so crazy, but the more I watch um, the more I watch Tom Holland, the new Spider-Man, the more I think he could do the whole thing. He could do a good, yeah, he would do a fantastic, absolutely.

SPEAKER_00 26:54

And if you want to play is good, kind of awkward and goofy.

King or Koontz

SPEAKER_03 26:58

Yes. Uh The Devil in the Details is a movie that he did from back, like it's set back in like the 40s or 50s, and it's got him and Andrew Garfield in it. And let me tell you what, Tom Holland does a fantastic, impeccable job of conveying this angst that you have when trying to make the right decision and decide what is absolute good versus evil situation. Like it's it's super crazy. But, anyways, um, so yeah, Dean Coots has 16 movies done. And a lot of people don't recognize them because it's just like, oh no. Like Phantoms, actually a very good movie. I liked it. It's got Ben Athle in it as the town sheriff. Um, I actually liked it because it reminded me almost of 40 Days and Nights. That little that edge of, is it going to get better? Is it not? Are they gonna prevail? So you got that um another good one. Excuse me. Another really good one. Yeah, this is why we don't um this is why when we're cleaning, we need to wear face masks because the dust and the pollens all come up and go, hello, how are you doing? Um, anyways, uh, but Hideaway was a movie that had Jeremy Sisto, it was with Jeremy Sisto, it had Jeff Goldblum and Alicia Silvers, not Silverspoon. What's her name from from uh Clueless? Yeah, I have no idea. Alicia Silversmith.

SPEAKER_05 28:24

Yeah, I don't know.

SPEAKER_03 28:26

Anyways, uh, so she's in that, and it's a really it's a good movie. There's only one part in that whole movie where I I understood why it was absolutely fucking stupid. No offense, Mr. Koontz. It's absolutely no offense, Mr. Goldblum, but so Jeff in the book, the Jeff Goldblum Cleric character is trying to convey something that he's seeing, so which is great, but I see him do this in so many movies. He did it in Jurassic Park and he did it in Hideaway, where he's trying to convey something that he's feeling or emotion, and he's like, I'm uh, I'm uh, I'm uh, and I can't stand it because it's like he's he's it's it's like really odd, and I'm seeing and I'm hearing and I'm thinking and I'm feeling, but it's not like he's actually in the moment of I can he's supposed to be conveying what he sees in the killer's mind because he's connected to this killer, right?

SPEAKER_06 29:17

Okay.

SPEAKER_03 29:17

So he's supposed to be in the book that it's conveyed that and the thoughts come streaming and the images come streaming and they're terrible. But he's like, he's literally just like, Ida, Ida, Ida, he's like, move his hands very awkwardly, and it's like Jeff Goldblum, you did more believable actions pretending to be half man, half fly, than you did of actually seeing what youth were describing as demonic eat demons or images or whatever. I mean, he had so many different ways, but he did the same thing in Jurassic Park. Uh, you know, evolution's gonna happen. And so I think, you know, I feel, I think, I feel, and it's just like, shit, er, stop it. So, anyways, um, yeah. So I just think because we as humans have been more obsessed with gore and horror ever since the first zombie movie. So the first monster movies we already know, we've talked about this before, go all the way back to like the early 1900s, 1920s. You've got your Lon Cheneys and all that. We've got our Frankenstein Steins and our Wolfmans and our Draculas. And then we have Romero in 60 something comes in and he does Nigh to the Living Dead. And then all of a sudden we start as a culture, as a race, we start getting obsessed with these unimaginable monsters. What is more terrifying? There's there's two things that's more terrifying to me than a Frankenstein monster or a Wolfman monster or a Dracula. Because you know what, if Dracula wants to drink my blood, I'll never remember it. You know, I'm just not gonna remember it. It'll be done. It's over, it's done. I don't got no more bills, whatever. But we've become more obsessed with what if people came back from the dead? We've been very obsessed with the idea of zombies. But what's scarier than that is somebody who looks alike a human, acts alike a human, but has a mental superpower that can torture us all without ever raising a finger. That's Carrie in a nutshell, right there. Telekinesis, Firestarter, Drew Barrymore, uh, you know, uh pyrokinesis, all these different horrifying things that people have that they can do with their mind. That will that we are obsessed with that. So, what happens when we go from that obsession? And you can live if you're thinking about movies. So zombies come. Oh, that's horrifying. People crawling out of the grave in the middle of the night, coming back home to mon paw, kettle, and eating their brains in their sleep, because you know, they have to, right? So we but that's how the early depiction was of these zombies, right?

SPEAKER_07 31:52

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 31:53

So then we move on to what's more terrifying, somebody who looks normal but ain't normal, and they've got powers of mind. They never have to touch you, they don't even have to be in the same room as you. All they have to do is think of you, and they can torture you and kill you. And oh my god. Which is right, which is be crazy, yo. So we get through that, right? And then we kind of have this culture shock where people are like, wait a minute, but what if the robots rise? So then we're getting into the Terminators, and then people go, Hold on, this is too this shit's too real for me. We need to laugh a little bit. Oh crap, we've got to repopulate the earth, then the romance novel. So everything kind of comes and flows, right?

SPEAKER_05 32:27

Yeah.

Odd Thomas, Jane Hawk and The Nanotech Fear

SPEAKER_03 32:28

So here we are in the modern age that we are now. And we when we look at the Stephen Thing King stuff that we like, we like the stand better. You know what I'm saying? We like um under the dome better because these are creepy things that are supernatural in nature. Why'd they happen? You know, so we want to be mystified. And that's one thing that Dean Kunt's novels can convey properly is forces beyond what we think are there. Because there's there's some of his stuff that I've read it, and I'm like, listen, Linda, I don't care how much of an expert shot you are. There's a the hell's her name. It's Jane Hawke's series. So he has a another, so he's got as far as series goes, he uh Dean Koontz has Odd Thomas again. I vote for Tom Holland to play odd, play oddie, play oddie, have odd thomas come in and play Audi. And I think he would do because you know he's a natural athlete and gymnast, yeah, yeah, and dancer. So there's you know, there's things that even though R.I.P. Anton Yeltshin could do that I think Holland could even be able to do even better. Because what is just have you heard the have you heard the odd Thomas series?

SPEAKER_00 33:43

I listened to the first book and that's it.

SPEAKER_03 33:45

You must has listened to all of them. You need to because it's it's such a good, I'm telling you, from beginning to end, it's such a good series, and even though it ends in a way, and Martin and I had this conversation before, even though it ends in a way that you don't want it to end, it's actually what's best for the situation. And you understand why by time you get to book six or whatever, the final book, Forever Odd, by time you get to Forever Odd, you completely understand why it has to happen that way. Um, but anyways, he has this other series. It's not as much. It is, it's called the Jane Hawk series.

SPEAKER_00 34:24

Okay.

SPEAKER_03 34:25

So um it's a five-book series, and some of the books are like, some of the books are like seven, eight, hundred pages or whatever. They're very long. And here's the thing about it. I don't care who you are, I don't care how much you practice, you're not gonna have be perfect at anything. You're gonna have near misses.

SPEAKER_05 34:43

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 34:43

He conveys so well when this character has missteps, it's like it makes you believe that what they've done is so look, I think Dean Koontz knows what's really going on behind the scenes in the world because if you were to read the Jane Hawk series and how believable it is where things are not perfect, and his character, his his protagonist, she's not perfect, but it's his main protagonist and heroine, like all wrapped in she's like everything.

SPEAKER_00 35:16

Wait, there's a female protagonist that isn't perfect.

SPEAKER_03 35:20

Yes, that's what I'm saying.

SPEAKER_00 35:22

But here's the thing when you take notes, fucking people.

SPEAKER_03 35:25

Yeah, women are not perfect. Oh my goodness. But here's here's the thing about it. So anything you can do, I can do better. I can do anything better than you. Who me? Yes, you, yes, me. Um it is so well written. Now, it is a long and it was a tedious process. And here I need to revisit it. And the reason I need to revisit it is because I love Jim Butcher. I am addicted to Jim Butcher, I'm addicted to Harry Dresden. Please don't kill him anytime soon. Please keep him going because he gives me hope for a different world that I love. I love, I love. Now, having said that. For the Za Lord! For the Za Lord! Uh God, dude, toot, I love you so much. I I want him to keep writing books. Now, at this point, he's been writing Dresden for 20 years and tut tut.

SPEAKER_00 36:12

He needs to do a children's series that's based on toot toot. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 36:17

Yes. Knocks on that. Boom. Um, okay, so because in the middle of reading this Jane Hawk series, what and it was while I was waiting for other Dresden books, I I initially was just like, whatever. I've just ugh I've just got to finish the series because I've read this far, da da da. The premise of the books, the premise of the story, how it plays out is so realistic. You would on you honestly would probably go, that is quite probable that could happen in today's day and age with the technology we have. It is that creepy real. So I think Dean Koontz has got like a secret society pass or whatever. Be like, listen, y'all better mind your P's and Q's or this is gonna happen to you.

SPEAKER_00 36:59

Did you read the Demon book? The Demon Chords? Yeah, no, no, just Demon. I know Demon.

SPEAKER_03 37:06

It's it's the computer thing, right? Yeah, it's the big CPU thing.

SPEAKER_00 37:10

Yes, yeah, okay. Yeah, so did you read Freedom TM?

SPEAKER_03 37:13

I don't think so. I don't I don't think so. I think you just talked to me about it because you let me borrow the demon book.

SPEAKER_00 37:19

Yeah, because I never bought a physical copy of Freedom. I had a physical copy of Demon.

SPEAKER_03 37:24

Yeah, because I read your copy and I was just like, um, that's crazy.

SPEAKER_00 37:29

I want some angel's teeth.

SPEAKER_03 37:32

As much as that's a high so here's the thing, as much as you you read Demon or Damon, depending on who you asked.

SPEAKER_07 37:39

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 37:39

Um, as much as you read that, you're like, whoa, that is a probability with the way we're going, especially when you think about it now, the way we're going with AI and the boom in AI.

SPEAKER_00 37:48

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 37:48

Which that bubble is about to burst like really quick, but well, here's my problem with people talking about AI being a bubble.

SPEAKER_00 38:00

It is and it isn't just like the just like the dot-com bubble, right?

SPEAKER_06 38:05

Right.

SPEAKER_00 38:06

Um it was the bubble wasn't dot com itself. It was people's overestimation of how much money they were gonna make off of something. Um so it's not like obviously the dot com bubble burst, but obviously the internet is still fucking here and it's an even bigger deal than it was then.

SPEAKER_06 38:26

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 38:26

Um the same thing I predict is gonna happen with AI. Although it will probably be it will probably be less of a shock to the economy.

SPEAKER_03 38:39

I don't know because these these these advancements in an AR AI are great, but you've already got one of the biggest credit card uh processing companies that's laying off uh a quarter to a third of its workforce going, AI has covered everything for us. We don't need this. We can cut expenses, we can cut costs for everybody, but you're still putting almost 4,000 people out of work. And then you've got other people going, well, AI needs to be monitored by humans. That's fine. It does currently, yeah, but it's not a one-to-one ratio, it's not even a one to two ratio. It's they were talking about it should be a one to ten ratio, and then somebody else went, nah, it can be one to a hundred ratio. So there again, you're eliminating jobs.

SPEAKER_00 39:14

Yeah, it depends upon you could say it's one to a hundred. Um I don't know as a single person would be able to keep up with that much. Because you have to you have to monitor what it's doing and make sure that the output is correct.

SPEAKER_02 39:35

Right.

SPEAKER_00 39:35

Um and I mean, in a lot of cases, like with our transcripts and stuff, yeah, it's not that big a deal. But when you're talking about a bunch of people's money and you have uh AI doing the bookwork for them, yeah, you're gonna get fucked really fast when this shit's wrong.

SPEAKER_03 39:54

And that's and that's the same theory that's going on with all of these credit card processing that where they're taking people away from this, is because the next thing they're gonna do is they're gonna use AI as predictability factors for home loans, for everything out there, which they already kind of are. There is an algorithm where they use, and there are key things they're looking for.

SPEAKER_00 40:14

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 40:15

But we're taking the human factor out of everything.

SPEAKER_00 40:18

And I mean, in some cases, that's for the best.

SPEAKER_03 40:22

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 40:23

Um, but at the same time, I mean, the earth has always been adapt or die.

SPEAKER_03 40:30

Uh-huh.

SPEAKER_00 40:32

It hasn't changed at all.

SPEAKER_03 40:33

And it's and here's the thing is but we are so uppity in our brains going, oh, this is gonna make everything, everything better. You can adapt or die to AI, and that's not how it needs to be. People are free uh we talked about this. Gnome your garden, man, because you need to know the basic principles. That's that's that's cool. You wanna, I've got AI, I can learn when I need to. Cool. But what happens when the infrastructure goes down? You have no internet and you didn't download fucking shit. Yeah, because I already downloaded uh Wikipedia and okay, so you so you get to be you get to be the corn billionaire when the apocalypse happens. Everybody be, oh Mr. Dagda, here, I've got an ear of corn. Can you can you tell me how to plant tomatoes now?

SPEAKER_00 41:14

Yep. Also, I'll be uh burning off porn. Uh right.

SPEAKER_03 41:20

I'll be the corn billionaire. I I will be burning off porn scripts for your live action. Uh no, no, ladies, just listen to me. You don't need to go off with Jim Beam over there. Just come with me and I will teach you how to do porn right.

SPEAKER_00 41:32

Shakespeare and porn.

unknown 41:34

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 41:36

What boobies through yonder window break? It is my dick ready to insert into your son. No, you're rotten. Hark what light through yonder window breaks. It is the east and Juliet is the sun. I know little Shakespeare. I know enough to know that a rose by any other name is still a fucking rose. Speaking of roses, hi mommy. Hi, mommy. Hi, mommy. So, anyways, um, back to the the books and the authors and the stuff. Because so I don't think I gave the Jane Hawk series a fair shake, but what Dean Koontz did really well is it is so flip. I know there's somebody right there putting their finger on their nose going ding ding ding ding ding ding ding ding ding ding ding. That's why I'm minimizing my time on the interwebs too, because it could really happen. And it really, I'm telling you, it is so well written, and the probability of how it could happen, it's like, you know, there is somebody out there who is already making this shit happen somewhere, like probably down in Papua New Guinea or something. I don't know. It's but it's creepy how realistic it's written with so much data, like information behind it. And the creepier thing is the one thing I can't stand and I'm freaked out by is the idea of nanotech.

SPEAKER_06 42:52

Okay.

SPEAKER_03 42:52

Nanotech is something they're perfecting, and they've been working on it perfecting for a very long time. But it's like when you when you read the books and you hear the application of the nanotechs, and it's just like that's exactly what we're trying to get nanotech to do, but we're not trying to, it's the nanotech that attacks the brain. That's not what we want nanotech for. We want nanotech to go in there and repair our bodies and clean our arteries, and it's just like we're already getting there. Holy crap, somebody's gonna figure out this, you know. Oh no. But I wish they did more Dean Koontz books. I mean, I've seen uh several of the movies. I've seen Watchers, I've seen Phantoms, I've seen obviously Odd Thomas, um, Hideaway. There's more out there, I just can't remember them off the top of my head because they are quite spread out. They've they've even done um some of the movies not as like mainstream movies, but like as TV movies. And it's really there's a couple of good ones they've done. Um what is it, cold ones or something like that? About it's it one of the ones they've done as a TV movie is about a serial killer. And this lady gets caught in this office building with him, and it's it's creepy as shit. But that's the one thing Dean Koontz does. He balances that supernatural with a realistic, like he brings it both together. And that's what creeps me out. If I had to pick between King or Koontz, I'm picking Koontz every day of the week because I like the aspect of well, miracles do happen, I suppose. Uh, but I like the aspect of what's best for what's best for the situation, good, bad, or indifferent. Because like I said, I just finished reading the book, uh, The House at the End of the World, and that was a fucking trip. That was a trip and a half. Um, and then of course the Jane Hawk series. I would love to see them bring that to life. And I think for me, for me personally, just the acting style and based on like all the descriptors of this Jane Hawk person, I would love to see Sarah Michelle Geller play Jane Hawk. Nice. I think she would be fantastic. And oh, I'm so sorry. I did just read you, uh, that the Buffy reboot that they were working on got canceled. It did not get picked up by Hulu and has not been picked up by any other streaming service either. So that's and and and I'm just amazed by that because Chloe Zhao is an amazing director and she was the one behind it. Sarah Michelle Geller was in it, and Hulu just said no. So that makes me a little sad. But Jane Hawk, I'm going to, even though it's out of your norm, because it's more kind of uh it's more thriller.

SPEAKER_07 45:35

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 45:36

Um, I'm gonna tell you, I think it would be a very good listen for you. And it should be available audio audiobooks through the library. You know, so that would be, but I I think you would actually enjoy it because it is so brainiac. And of course, of course, Dean Koontz, like many other writers out there, when he actually talks about using weapons, he's very detailed about the weapons and and the and the information on them and like all the statistics and all that good stuff and all the not dimensions, come on, specs.

SPEAKER_05 46:11

Yeah, okay.

Dresden Files Casting: 3 Must Have's

SPEAKER_03 46:12

Yeah, this is very good. But yeah, I'm I'm I mean, I love Stephen King. He's done a lot of great stuff, but uh yeah, totally coons it out, man.

SPEAKER_00 46:22

Yeah, I've never read a Stephen King. Well, that's a lie. I read one Stephen King book, and that was his autobiography, not his autobiography, his book on writing.

SPEAKER_02 46:33

Right.

SPEAKER_00 46:34

Um which had a lot of autobiographical stuff in it. Um, he talked about his wife and his accident and stuff like that and whatnot.

SPEAKER_03 46:45

Well, he's got a son who's a writer too.

SPEAKER_00 46:47

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 46:48

And I could not get into the book his son wrote to save my life. But I like the movie. One of the books that his son wrote is Ba I love the movie.

SPEAKER_06 46:56

Okay.

SPEAKER_03 46:57

The Black Phone, the the movie with Ethan Hawk as the serial killer.

SPEAKER_06 47:01

I'm not sure.

SPEAKER_03 47:02

That's Joe Joe Hill, who is uh Stephen King's name, uh, or his son's name. Uh so Joe Hill did the yeah. Um, yeah, Stephen King's, I mean, I I'm surprised you haven't listened to it on Audible. I get that it's like a thousand pages and it's super long. But it's minus the one scene, everything else is so yeah. I'm sorry. Let's not even talk about that part again.

SPEAKER_00 47:28

Um, but anyways, uh you you've caused me to think about two separate uh issues, ep epic rap battles.

SPEAKER_03 47:39

Oh gosh.

SPEAKER_00 47:40

Because there's the um there's uh Pennywise versus Joker.

SPEAKER_03 47:47

Uh-huh.

SPEAKER_00 47:48

Um, which is a fantastic one. Um, and it talks about that scene actually, it mentions it. Um, and then there's Stephen King versus Edgar Allan Poe, which is also a fucking great one.

SPEAKER_07 48:02

Uh-huh.

SPEAKER_00 48:03

Um not to mention those the the rappers for that. It's uh Rett and Link, isn't it? No.

SPEAKER_03 48:11

No.

SPEAKER_00 48:12

Um God damn it. I just had his name in my head. God damn it. I can't remember. The dude who did uh who was also Shakespeare. The dude who rapped super fast. Binky? Not Binky. I can't remember.

SPEAKER_06 48:26

Okay.

SPEAKER_00 48:27

Um but both of them, they're not the regular, it's not Nice Peter and Epic Lloyd that do this one. Um the the Pennywise versus Joker are um are Nice Peter and Epic Lloyd. Um, but this one is two different dudes who are fantastic, also is fucking great.

SPEAKER_03 48:48

Nice. Well, it's like, you know, I said to you the other day, I said, you know, we could do an entire podcast just about Dresden.

SPEAKER_07 48:58

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 48:59

We literally could do 10 episodes about each book.

SPEAKER_07 49:03

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 49:03

Literally.

SPEAKER_07 49:04

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 49:05

And then we could write our rewrite our dreamcast based on a few different aspects that I'm not gonna say because there is somebody in LA listening to our stuff, and I don't want them to be an idea stealer. I'm just saying.

SPEAKER_00 49:16

A hilarious thing that came up because I watched the um Intentionally Left Blank, I think is the name of the podcast. It's uh Brandon Sanderson and one of his other writer friends. Okay. Um, and one of the things they were talking about is some of the people's dreamcasts for uh uh Mistborn. Mistborn.

SPEAKER_03 49:41

Okay.

SPEAKER_00 49:41

And one of them was basically Henry Cavill playing all the fucking characters. Uh Henry Cavill would be great in in The Mistborn as the survivor dude. I can't remember Kelsier, I think his name is. He would be awesome as the sort of mentor, fucking super dude. Um he would also be awesome as fucking um Calandrus? I can't remember. It's another name that starts with a K, not Kelsier, but something similar in the Stormlight archives. Okay. As the fucking sort of he's not really the main dude, but you follow him a lot.

SPEAKER_03 50:25

Okay.

SPEAKER_00 50:26

Um he would be awesome as that dude.

SPEAKER_03 50:29

You know, there are a lot of great actors out there that could fill many roles. When I talk about my Dresden Dream Dreamcast, my dream casting for Dresden.

SPEAKER_00 50:40

It's it's you'll Henry Cavill for all the characters.

SPEAKER_03 50:45

Henry Cavill. No, I am I am a million percent Team Jacob Alordy for Harry after seeing his performance in Frankenstein.

SPEAKER_06 50:55

Okay.

SPEAKER_03 50:55

I I you can't make me unsee it. You need to watch Frankenstein. I think you would really get it because you like Oscar Isaac or Isaac Oscars or whatever. He's the guy who was the moon knight.

SPEAKER_00 51:06

Okay.

SPEAKER_03 51:07

That you like him, you really like that actor.

SPEAKER_00 51:10

I have friends that hate him.

SPEAKER_03 51:11

Well, boohoo. Anyways. You have a friend who likes him.

SPEAKER_00 51:15

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 51:16

Um, but you got a friend in Jesus.

SPEAKER_00 51:19

Anyway.

SPEAKER_03 51:20

You got a friend in Jenny. Uh anyways.

SPEAKER_00 51:28

Fucking weird.

SPEAKER_03 51:29

Jesus is with me today, I'm telling you right now. Uh um, I love talking about the dreamcast for uh the dreamcasting for Dresden because one of the other things that happened since we wrapped recording of that, I've been kind of a little bit sad because I'm just like, well, now who's gonna be my dreamcast? Now I've envisioned it with the Harry Potter kids. All of the whole thing. I every single person that was in the Harry Potter movies, I'm like, I've got a place for you in Dresden's world. I know who's gonna be what.

SPEAKER_00 51:59

Radcliffe as butters.

SPEAKER_03 52:01

Smooth like Radcliffe. Um well, and we saw that. We forgot. Do you know, crazy? I know we gotta wrap up. I typed in Harry Potter today uh into Pixabay. Okay, and it brought up a shit ton of Daniel Ratcliffe pictures. Okay, and he's dressed like that one picture we saw. He's dressed like Dresden with a duster on. I've seen a couple of those. I'm like, what? But he's also dressed like a P.I. and so it's crazy.

SPEAKER_00 52:30

That would be hilarious. I mean, just having him part of the cast at all would be awesome.

SPEAKER_03 52:36

Yes.

SPEAKER_00 52:37

Because of the implications.

SPEAKER_03 52:39

I think I think there's three rules for dreamcasting Dresden. So, Jim Butcher, pay attention because I think you'll agree with this. One, James Marsters must be involved.

SPEAKER_00 52:51

Must. Here's the greatest even if he's just doing the voice of Bob.

SPEAKER_03 53:00

You know, he can throw a young child's voice really well. Yeah. But so there's my three rules of Dresden casting. James Marsters must be involved.

SPEAKER_00 53:11

Yes. Please, dear God.

SPEAKER_03 53:13

Please, dear Jesus. Paul Blackstone, who played the original iteration of Harry Dresden, he must make at least one cameo or be part of the White Castle. Perhaps the supreme dickhead leader. But he needs to be in at least one episode of the Merlin or the Merlin. He could be the Merlin. My final thing, and you can choose between two different characters. We'll say that. My choice would be for Mortimer, and that needs to be played by Jim Butcher himself. Jim Butcher must has been himself. And I give him either Mortimer, who is on that fence of he's got more talent than he thinks, and he's braver than what he thinks, too. He's braver than what he thinks, he has more talent than what he thinks, but his heart is bigger than what anybody knows. Not only that, but he becomes a very good ally and friend to Dresden. And if you notice when we when you when we talk about 12 months and him and Morty, Morty meet up, um it's like the satisfaction and the joy he gets knowing that he's considered a close confidant, friend, and respected more by Dresden is great. So you've got that extreme. So you have somebody who's in the magical world that has all these abilities, and Dresden like literally plays it out like, I didn't give you enough credit, and you still kept doing what you're like. I'm getting emotional about it because I'm so engaged in the books to this point. So that I think Jim Butcher. Now, should Mortimer have hair? Not as glorious as Jim Butcher's hair was, but Jim Butcher's short haircut, sure, he could do. He could wear a skull cap. Nobody has to know. It's fine.

SPEAKER_00 54:59

Yeah, he can shave his head for a couple of weeks to Yeah, I mean it's just hair.

SPEAKER_03 55:02

His hair grows back apparently very well. You know, but I mean Mortimer has more of a cul-de-sac, but and whereas Butcher's got uh widow's peaks. But you know, he can work it out, anyways. Um, or he can be the bookshop owner who's afraid of everything.

SPEAKER_05 55:20

Oh, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 55:21

He could be either one of those characters and do very well. Bach. Bach, yeah. He could be him because um, you know, you here you've got this character who doesn't believe in all this stuff, and then all of a sudden he's like, I believe. Not only do I believe, fuck you, I'm gonna get you first.

SPEAKER_00 55:35

I will say this. He might be good as Mac. Because the care the person whoever's playing Mac is not gonna have any hardly any lines.

SPEAKER_03 55:46

Mark Strong, I'm telling ya.

SPEAKER_00 55:48

And so he doesn't have to be as good of an actor necessarily, but then again, Bach, you hardly ever see him. You only see him uh like maybe five times.

The Wrap Up

SPEAKER_03 55:59

Yeah, about six times. Okay, so here's the reason why I didn't pick something like Mac and Ally. Because Jim Butcher is not an actor, right? He knows how Mac and Allie is, he knows how each of his characters are, right? Yes, but Mac is a silent strong character. Now, while Jim Butcher is not a tiny little, you know, uh Wilting flower. Yeah, uh, thank you, because I was gonna say a different word, and you would have been like, oh my god, why'd you say that? Anyways, he's also not as big as what you imagine Mac to be what you imagine Mac to be. Because you literally, when you look at Mark Strong, you literally look at Mark Strong and go, that is Mac because he's athletic, he's built, he's bald, he's very powerful, he emotes. Mark Strong is one of those actors who emotes a lot with his facial expressions, and he also emotes a lot without facial expressions, yeah. Like with his size, which the way he'll glance over at you. But why I picked Morty and the bookseller, because one, the bookseller is kind of one of those creepy assholes that you just want to smack around a little bit and be like, look, you know, you need to support us here. Because once he finally realizes shit, I've been doing the wrong thing, yeah, he corrects, self-corrects, and and overcorrects, and that's fine. So he has the option of playing out that character that a lot of people really don't like and have come to hate. Like, honestly, like, right? But why I think Mortimer more is because Mortimer is this character who is so misunderstood for so long in the series. And so the way he presents himself to uh Harry in the moment where they get together after the big battle and they're talking during 12 months, and he's basically like, Thank you for noticing the steps I've taken. You know, because like literally Harry sits back and realizes he's a guardian and that I get emotional because I hate the fact that they killed off characters I love. But the fact that he sits there and he conveys that um Mortimer Morty has actually been protecting Harry because Karen's been ready to move on for quite a while. So I think Jim Butcher, it would be a great way for Jim Butcher to let that character go in the most appropriate fashion. But, anyways, those are my three bust has. Jim Marster's being the most important of that, only because Jim's Butcher's mind may have created this world, but James Marster's voice has brought it to life for me.

SPEAKER_05 58:38

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 58:38

And I'm not emotional like this normally, it's just I really love this series, and I know we're getting close. We're we're down into the in we're we're it we're into the fourth quarter with this series, and it's gonna be sad to see it go away. Yeah, you know, but yeah, anyways, uh obviously butcher always wins. That's how it is. But if it was between King and Koontz, I'm gonna go with Koontz. I think there's far more viability with what he does. He's uh God, he's in his 80s now. It's crazy. And uh there's some there's definitely some I love how he incorporates a lot of animals into his story, too.

SPEAKER_00 59:14

Okay, there's Cuja.

SPEAKER_03 59:17

Good animals into a story. You're so rotten, anyways. I'm hoping everybody has a fantastic day out there because I think I need to go blow my nose. Stupid allergies, geez. Gosh, gosh, all right, and don't be crying over just a story character. Screw you! I loved Karen, you just don't know. And I will die on that hill that Dylan Spraysbury should play Billy the werewolf. I will die on that hill. I can show you, I can turn on my Netflix, and I can be like, this is why. Look, he is a werewolf here. Oh, and he does such a good job. He's built, he's built just like Billy is.

SPEAKER_06 59:52

Okay.

SPEAKER_03 59:53

So hey butcher, if you if if you were influenced by that, good influence. Anyways, I hope you guys have a fantastic day out there.

SPEAKER_00 1:00:00

Yeah. Later.

SPEAKER_03 1:00:01

Bye.

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