Goodbye Mr Harris

 Jen and Dagda start with spring weather misery, burrito cravings, and a candid health check-in—then shift into heavier territory as they say goodbye to Nicholas Brendon, best known as Xander Harris from Buffy the Vampire Slayer. They share memories of the Buffy cast (and Spike love), talk Brendon’s later roles and struggles, and reflect on how quickly time is moving for the actors and shows that shaped their generation. The episode also detours into reality TV and a heated conversation about accountability, abuse, and why patterns of harmful behavior shouldn’t be excused.

#podcast #Buffy #NicholasBrendan #memories #GenX #timedoesntstop #SpikeRules #LongLiveXanderHarris #SarahMichellePrinze #JamesMarsters #AllisonHannigan

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Transcript

SPEAKER_00 0:03

Welcome to Everyday Life.

SPEAKER_01 0:05

Thank you for joining our podcast, Conversations Over Coffee. My name is Jen. And I'm Dagda. And we're gonna hit you with the explicit content warning right off the bat. This podcast does include adult situations and adult language from time to time.

SPEAKER_03 0:22

I'm an angel. I never fucking cuss.

SPEAKER_01 0:25

Okay. Anyways, you ready to go?

SPEAKER_03 0:28

Oh yeah.

SPEAKER_01 0:29

Alright, let's go.

SPEAKER_03 0:37

Good morning. Hey now.

SPEAKER_01 0:39

Hey now.

SPEAKER_03 0:40

How you doing? I'm doing alright. A little tired, but it'll be alright. So what happens when you get old? Anyway, speaking as the spring chicken in this room. How are you doing?

SPEAKER_01 0:55

I'm alright. I'm alright. I'm still kind of getting acclimated to these. Uh well, I mean, it's spring officially. So there's not only is there more pollen in the air, but I've been around a lot more dust. So I'm like.

SPEAKER_03 1:08

Yeah. It's the annoying time of the year where it's like, uh, today is too hot. Today is too cold. Today it's too hot. Today is too cold. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:18

Right. It's one of those where you've got to have a wool sweater with a mesh tank top underneath, so you can just slide it off and on.

SPEAKER_03 1:26

Yeah. And it's one of those. It's rainy and kind of cold outside, but if you put on anything other than just a t-shirt and a rain jacket, you're gonna get fucking super sweaty walking around.

SPEAKER_01 1:43

Oh my god. And I'll tell you what, this last weekend, and for in real time, it's we just hit the first week into spring.

SPEAKER_03 1:51

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:52

I am not even playing when I'm telling you. Saturday was so uh disgustingly sticky muggy, I just wanted to pound my head into a wall because I could not get comfortable. I everywhere I went, I was sweating so hard that it looked like I was just dripping pea along the floor. It was disgusting.

SPEAKER_03 2:10

Yeah, I was out at my buddy Marlon's house helping him clean up like spring cleanup, yeah, like Christmas ornaments and stuff like that, because he had left them out there. But anyway, and it was like it was sunny out, so in the sun, it was too warm to be wearing a hoodie or whatever. Yeah, but as soon as you step into a little bit of shade, you're like, it's cold.

SPEAKER_01 2:35

It's like it's like Elsa, go away, girl. Yeah. Oh my goodness. Well, you know, um, the thing is, is like these guys don't realize that our lives have kind of evolved and changed a little bit. So we don't get to get together as often as we'd like. I mean, honestly, what i if I was a rich woman, da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da. I mean, we would literally, me, you, my partner, bogey, we'd all just get together and we'd have those fat California burritos and coffee every day and just sit around and bullshit and play video games.

SPEAKER_03 3:08

I had a chimichonga yesterday.

SPEAKER_01 3:10

You had a chimichonga? Yeah, it's funny because From California burrito.

SPEAKER_03 3:15

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 3:15

It's good, isn't it? Because I had one.

SPEAKER_03 3:17

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 3:18

It's like really freaking good.

SPEAKER_03 3:20

Yeah. And I had the platter. I think it only comes with the platter or whatever. I don't know. But yeah, it was really fucking good.

unknown 3:28

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 3:29

Oh, so did you and yeah, Marlon took me over there and he basically um And did he try California Breeder?

SPEAKER_01 3:37

Or yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 3:38

He he took me over there. He bought himself and his sister dinner and me dinner there. Oh, that's nice. Yeah.

The Catch Up

SPEAKER_01 3:44

Well, I mean, you know, and that's and that's kind of what we do with our friends is this is like when we help each other, um, you know, we have rewards. Yeah. There are there are rewards, is is first of all, we help each other really well in a revolving situation. Yeah. And then we make sure that we're all well taken care of in our situations. And so that's that's really cool. Because I'm telling you, I can see your little inner fat child going, shimmy chunga, chimmy changa. Yeah. And you don't shimmy shake very well, because there's not a lot of you two shimmy shake anymore because of your Ozympic. Which, you know, you have to be careful because Ozempic's shedding your water weight, and you're 60% of you is water. You know that, right? Human body is 60% water.

SPEAKER_03 4:29

Yeah, the um my scale tracks all that stuff too.

SPEAKER_01 4:36

Yeah, so what are you like 53% water now?

SPEAKER_03 4:39

No. And I've kind of plateaued at weight loss, although now I'm only 197.

SPEAKER_01 4:49

And that's and that's still a lot healthier than 212.

SPEAKER_03 4:52

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 4:53

And that's good. And you'll probably slim down a little bit more. I mean, because you're what's your BMI supposed to be, supposedly, if you're heightweight? 165, 185? Is that your range?

SPEAKER_03 5:03

Yeah, I think it's because 197 is the peak of overweight. But you're not obese anymore, so that's good. Yeah, yeah, I just dropped just below being obese.

SPEAKER_01 5:13

So and we're talking about California burritos, so it's kind of like it's kind of like. Yeah. So it's kind of like having a walrus stand up and go, I'm just fat, I'm not obese. And you're not even fat. That's the thing. Like a lot, these people, they don't, you know, our people, most of them have never seen you in person and don't realize that there is not an ounce of you that looks fat. Yes, you have.

SPEAKER_03 5:42

I'm fat.

SPEAKER_01 5:44

Look, it's not my dick I'm trying to look at. I ain't trying to look at your dick. I ain't trying to look at my. I ain't trying to. So I, as a man, I think that's how men judge how fat they are. If I can't look down and see my dick, I'm fat. That's what I've heard.

SPEAKER_03 5:56

I mean, that kind of depends upon the state that it's in, whether or not I'm sucking in my gut.

SPEAKER_01 6:01

Whether it's happy or sad. Oh, Tia Crera, happy. Oh. No, Kelly Clarkson's sad.

SPEAKER_03 6:12

Yeah, saying that I was at 52% water weight this morning.

SPEAKER_01 6:17

So how far? I mean, like literally, I said, what are you, like 53%, 353? And so you're grumbling at me over a 1% fact? Did I not guess pretty fucking accurately? Pretty close.

SPEAKER_03 6:30

Yeah, so normal, the peak of normal is 165 for my height. For your high. Which I haven't been that. I've never seen you that. I think at one point when I was working out, yeah, I I was right around there, 165, 170.

SPEAKER_01 6:46

I think the lowest I've ever heard you say is 173. So because your legs do get chicken-y. Not your calves, but your thighs.

SPEAKER_03 6:54

Yeah, my thighs. My my calves are kind of ridiculous.

SPEAKER_01 6:58

Um you're like that guy who's been chewing bubblegum on one side of his mouth.

SPEAKER_03 7:03

I'm like Popeye, except instead of my forearms, it's just my fucking calves are like that.

SPEAKER_01 7:08

Right. And when I was working lawn care, I had the Popeye forearms. So all good news on the health front. You've taken a little bit of this excess weight um away, which is great. Um, you've uh got that blood sugar down a little bit. A lot, yeah. Yeah. No, I was actually talking about that yesterday, but um, so you got your blood sugar down, you've taken off some excess water weight, you're feeling better, your mobility looks better. Um although now I'm having hip problems, but your hips are like, where's my fluid to cushion it? Like you're having hit like hip joint, or like, oh it's like the groin muscles. Yeah. Yeah, no, that that's um, I get it. It's I'm having problems with my left leg uh because of the more walking thing. So I have uh this constant numbness from the outer quadrant, outer side of my what's the front side called? The quads. Yeah. So the outer half, the left half of my left quad, from mid-quad to edge of quad, all the way up to my left hip socket, it keeps going back and forth from numbing to burning. And I believe the burning is the fat burning, because it's just like I'll get the burning sensation in other places in my body where I have like extra love. Right. I've loved myself too much and indulged myself too much. But um, because it's it's it's just really weird because my right side doesn't do it as much, but my left side, which if you actually look at me, my left leg is bigger than my right leg.

SPEAKER_04 8:51

Okay.

SPEAKER_01 8:52

Um it's like it's like there, but we're gonna pretend like it's nothing. It's not a big deal. Because it could, it could be a partial sciatic appinch. I don't know, because I'm having an awful pain in my back, but I'm just like, you know what? If I just keep working through it and not overdoing it, it'll get better.

SPEAKER_03 9:08

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 9:09

Because it's just like um, because it's only been like it's only been like that for the last like probably three weeks since I've been doing more stairs in a day. So it's fine.

SPEAKER_03 9:25

Yeah, I'm glad I don't have to walk up and down the stairs all the time.

SPEAKER_01 9:27

That's a flight and a half stairs.

SPEAKER_03 9:29

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 9:30

And what's interesting is I was actually just talking to Agent Double H yesterday uh about it, and I was telling her. Hi, Agent Double H. Hi, Agent Double H. Did you have a good nap in your car? She uh she hadn't uh done her morning routine and everything, so she indulged a little bit. And she needed it. It was really funny. Her sugar crash was hilarious because she was actually on the phone call with her husband, and she was now I'm not I'm not laughing about it in that sense, and it was just so cute because it was like she was rolling her eyes trying to stay awake, and it just looked like she was rolling her eyes at her husband's conversation. And I was just like, Yeah, that doesn't make sense what he's saying either. Just roll your eyes, honey. And then I realized, oh, that's a that's a sugar crash. Because she tried, uh we went to Starbucks, and uh, so even though she did sugar-free caramel and uh no fat milk, she did a protein pack that had sugars in it, that had caramel sugars in it. And then she had breakfast with a slice of the matcha cake, that's strawberry matcha cake. And she and I I did try a bite of it. It's really good actually. Uh, because it's mostly just like strawberry, but um, I didn't have any of that frosting, you know, like they have the frosting on the lemon cake and I didn't have any of the frosting, and she had it all, and that's I think that's what did her end. So it was funny. But anyways, um, yeah. What were we talking about? My neck, my back, my neck and my back. You don't remember what we're talking about either, do you?

SPEAKER_03 11:15

No, we've just been talking about random shit.

Personal Health

SPEAKER_01 11:18

Okay, as long as you're about well, let's let's not let's not talk about random, let's talk about the sad and get it over with. So we're gonna have like there's there's there's a couple of things, right? So, oh, that's yeah. See, I we weren't talking about random shit. I was talking to her about having to do that, a flight and a half of stairs every day, every day that I do it. And I told her I was just like, I would do anything. At first, I would do anything to where it was just like, okay, I have to go up and check in. That's a flight and a half up and down. Okay, there's three flights of stairs. Fuck great. And then I would avoid it at all costs. Now I'm like doing 10, 15 times a day. And and it's it's funny if you watch me by the time I hit time six or eight, because I'm like, I'm like drag ski dragging myself up the stairs, but it's fine. It's fine. But that's I noticed when I got more comfortable and I was doing more than um six or seven times, that's when this this burning pension came in. So I know it's I know it's because of exercise. Oh I know it's because some exercise I like, but I know it's because of exercise, and I do feel like it's burning body areas are burning because like my upper, like above my chest area, um it's like thinning out my arms are actually. I mean, I wish they wouldn't get bigger. I wish the fat would burn off, but my muscles are actually getting bigger. Yeah, you know, I feel like I feel like some days what I do, I'm like doing that stupid, it's not stupid, but you know, that rope purple thing.

SPEAKER_03 12:50

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 12:50

Because when I'm sorting shit, that's what I'm literally doing.

SPEAKER_02 12:53

Just macho macho man. Macho man. So she's gonna be a macho man.

SPEAKER_01 12:59

That's right. I'm gonna have a better beard than you. Good luck with that. I don't know, man. I'm like having to shave twice a week as it is, which is you know, it's normal. You know, I'm of that age where it's just like my testosterone's coming through. Anyways, um, so we haven't had like the best news in the world lately. We've got war in the Middle East again, and you got it's really weird because I don't want to talk about it because it makes me angry because I understand some of it, but I don't understand other parts of it, right? And we've kind of talked about it a little before. And we did a we did a politicking day the other day, and I just don't want to talk about it. Yeah, but what's happening is I'm now starting to hear when I'm in public, I'm starting to hear little murmurs and whispers. Now, I was just like, you know, there are military advisors who know more than me because I don't keep up on politics because, you know, I just it doesn't matter which way I voted, it always ends up being opposite of what I want.

SPEAKER_03 14:04

Most of it's bullshit anyway.

SPEAKER_01 14:05

Most of it is a popularity. I'm not in high school anymore, folks. Just you know, I have been out of high school for a couple of decades now. And I see this politics go on, and I and I used to try to keep up with it when I was younger, and I just realized at some point, and I want to say it was during the one of the Bush debates, and it was just like, it's just a fucking popularity contest. Has nothing to do, it literally has nothing to do with what do we need to change and improve. It has to do with, well, my daddy said I would make a good president, and your daddy said you can suck it because he left. It it's a just a popularity contest. I hated it in high school. I always thought it was so stupid because all the girls that I thought were really sweet and pretty, you know, and deserved nice things, like they were always picked last for everything. Which I was just like, how can human kindness get picked behind? Well, she's got nasty titties. I I I don't understand that. And it still happens to this day.

SPEAKER_02 15:06

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 15:07

Oh, we should pick him because he's got a smaller dick, so he won't fuck us so hard. Wrong way to choose president, dummy. So I I don't like politics. And and we got a lot of that going on right now. And then, of course, you know, locally here, shock and surprise, a mayor in another city is saying, Oh, we're gonna put a pause on doing all these extra things for security. Shock and aw. So I don't live in that city. Fuck those guys.

SPEAKER_03 15:33

Extra things for security.

SPEAKER_01 15:34

Yeah, they were supposed to be, it was just in the news. There was something like more, not body cams, but like uh more like street cams or something. We're gonna put a pause on that for right now. And it's just like, you're stupid. You are so fucking dumb. Uh, you know, I understand, like, look, you want to have extreme privacy living in this world and be able to do whatever you want, go homestead. Get off the grid, go homestead. Be inside your house, close your curtains, but do not be out on the streets of any city or town and create vandalism or illegal activities, or I don't know, like the guy who just randomly walked up and shot a pregnant lady. If it wasn't for those cameras at that intersection, they would have never been able to prove this guy did it. Because there was no, there was nothing. The victim and the assailant didn't know each other at all.

SPEAKER_03 16:26

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 16:26

So, you know, so like suck it. Anyways, uh, but then we've had like a lot of actors die. One of them we're not gonna talk about today. We'll talk about it next episode.

SPEAKER_03 16:35

Okay.

SPEAKER_01 16:36

Because I actually did some research on that, and I it was and we're gonna do it fun because that's what he would have wanted. So we're gonna do it fun. But I actually was talking to somebody the other day and said, Did you know that Nicholas Brendan died? Did you know Nicholas Brendan died?

SPEAKER_03 16:52

I don't know who that is.

SPEAKER_01 16:54

Xander Harris from Buffy the Vampire Slayer.

SPEAKER_03 16:56

Oh, yeah, yeah, I heard about that.

SPEAKER_01 16:57

54 years old, died of natural causes in his sleep.

SPEAKER_03 17:00

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 17:01

So the crazy thing about it is He has an identical twin brother. And if you watched all of the Buffy series, you would have seen his identical twin brother in like two different episodes. And his brother was a stunt performer for a while, I believe. But Nicholas Brendan himself was known primarily for two characters. The most well-known one was Xander Harris on Buffy the Vampire Slayer. He was in every single episode of that show except for one.

SPEAKER_03 17:29

Oh, really?

SPEAKER_01 17:30

Yes. So there were 177 episodes to Buffy the Vampire Slayer, I believe, and he did 176 of them.

SPEAKER_03 17:37

That's kind of because he's like the lame dude who had no abilities that was part of the group.

SPEAKER_01 17:43

Well, he was like, he was like the glue. He was like the glue because it was just like I'm you know, if you wat if you think about if you think about the show, right? He him and Willow were like the best of friends, and but he was always chasing after Buffy for for a while there, he was always chasing after Buffy. And anytime Buffy and Willow would fight, he would bring them all back together. So he wanted his own harem at 16. I don't know. I I don't know. I I always thought thought that Xander Harris was a very important character on there because as the show evolved, it went from him being scared of everything to very, very brave. And like like a heart clutch when Anya died. Oh my god, poor Xander. Ugh. Anyways, I liked Anya.

SPEAKER_03 18:31

I don't remember who Anya is. I didn't watch a whole lot of it. So I remember Seth Green being a werewolf and fucking Willow being a witch.

SPEAKER_01 18:41

A lesbian witch at that. A witchy little lesbian.

SPEAKER_03 18:44

That's at a certain point, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 18:45

Well, she'd always known, but she knew something was always off. But yeah, she meets Terry.

SPEAKER_03 18:50

So, yes. Oh my god. Of course, something's off. You got fucking magic, you're not a normal human.

SPEAKER_01 18:56

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 18:56

Well, you know, you it's like Buffy saying, Oh, I think something's off. Yes, you're a fucking slayer. You're not normal, bitch.

SPEAKER_01 19:05

Well, I'm sure you can guess who my favorite character who ever came on that show was besides Buffy.

SPEAKER_03 19:11

Seth Green.

SPEAKER_01 19:12

No. Have another guess. Uh you get three. So Seth Green? No. Although I do like Seth Green, he was not my favorite character. I mean, Oz was a great character, but not my favorite.

SPEAKER_03 19:22

Elijah Dushku?

SPEAKER_01 19:24

Uh, no, even though she's five by five in my book, no. Faith is not my favorite character. Like, I actually like this character more than I like Buffy. And I love Buffy.

SPEAKER_03 19:36

Buffy's little sister.

SPEAKER_01 19:37

Michelle Traschenberg?

SPEAKER_03 19:39

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 19:39

No. It is none other than William the Bloody. I don't know who that is. James Marsters. Spike.

SPEAKER_03 19:46

Ah, okay.

SPEAKER_01 19:46

He was my absolute favorite character when he came on this scene. Because I had a little thing for Billy Idol when I was a kid.

SPEAKER_03 19:51

Okay. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 19:52

And when he came on the scene, it was just like, fuck you.

SPEAKER_03 19:55

Looking like a discount fucking Billy Idol.

SPEAKER_01 19:58

Looking like a rehab Billy Idol. Honestly. Looking like a rehab Billy Idol, like Billy Idol quit drinking and doing drugs, slimmed up, trimmed up, got athletically, boom, boom, boom.

SPEAKER_03 20:12

What the fuck are you talking about? That dude was never out of shape, really.

SPEAKER_01 20:16

He wasn't, but he did drink a lot, so it gave him that bloated thing. People who don't drink uh anymore or previously, like I went through periods where I didn't didn't drink.

SPEAKER_03 20:26

And I mean, I haven't drank knock on wood for Yeah, they tend to get like swolled up hands and stuff.

SPEAKER_01 20:32

And if you watch it, uh if you watch him and you well, I used to watch MTV when we had MTV a lot. So like you could see where he'd been binging out, and it was just like, ooh.

SPEAKER_02 20:43

Rock the cradle of love.

SPEAKER_01 20:45

That was actually a really good video.

SPEAKER_02 20:47

Yes.

SPEAKER_01 20:47

Uh, although uh White Wedding was probably one of my favorite videos by him because it was so I don't remember ever seeing the White Wedding video. You should put it on your to-do YouTube list.

SPEAKER_03 20:59

I think I just remember the Rock the Cradle of Love video because it was so fucking kind of extreme, I guess, is not really as kind of tame compared to some stuff out there, but it was very fucking suggestive.

SPEAKER_04 21:16

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 21:17

And I had seen like they kept playing it, of course, like they do would do when it first comes out. And so I was someplace where I had access to MTV when that video first came out, and so I saw it a whole bunch of times in a very short period of time.

SPEAKER_01 21:33

Yeah. The legs on that girl, too. Jesus. A man. Just like I couldn't stand the I mean, I don't know. I don't David, I don't know what the hell is his name. Anyways, uh White Snakes, here I go again. Okay, like even though I couldn't really stand the guy, I loved seeing uh Tawny Katan dance on a car three quarters naked. It was fantastic. But, anyways, let's let's let's give it. Sorry, Nicholas Brendan. So Nicholas Brendan played Xander Harris.

SPEAKER_04 22:04

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 22:04

And so that's his most noticeable character.

SPEAKER_04 22:06

Yeah. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 22:06

And that's one of the most notable things about him because most people who are in a television show or a long-running series, they're not there for every single episode. And a lot of times they move on. He was there from day one to last day. Yeah. And like I said, he only missed one. One of my favorite episodes is the musical episode. Because it was so it was great. So great. Anyways, so the other memorable character he's known as is Kevin Lynch from Criminal Minds. And he was the off and on love interest for Penelope Garcia. One year they're together and then they're not. But he did over the course of, I believe it was like eight years, show up a few times because he was the backup IT guy. And I was really excited, honestly, when I saw him on Criminal Minds in like somewhere around 2010, 2011. I was like really super excited. I'm like, oh my god, it's Santa Harris. How fantastic. This is so great. And then by the time you got a little further in the season, you could be like, oh, you could see why he wasn't showing up as much because he had alcohol addiction problems there. He got he went to rehab for alcohol addiction, I think, three times. So one of the things that a lot of people don't realize about Nicholas Brendan is he had what is called Cautio Echina syndrome. Do you know what that is?

SPEAKER_03 23:29

I have no idea.

SPEAKER_01 23:30

So it is having lower, it's a lower back pain that's caused, and it's below, it's actually somewhere in the at the below, below your um by your tailbone, basically. Past your tailbone. In that bundle of nerves, past your tailbone going into your legs. Um, so it's usually easily treated by surgery. It's just something's been damaged back there. Yeah. So my my honest guess would be because, you know, he did do a lot of his own stuff that didn't require him to have a harness on the shows and movies he's been in. So my honest, my I got one of two guesses, and I'm hoping it's the first guess. My first guess is that somewhere along the way of his acting career doing a lot of his own pratfalls and all of that is where it happened. Because I would hate to think it's because of him falling down blunt, drunk blindly during his worst days. So we're gonna say it probably happened right now. So, anyways, he had surgery to correct it, and that did not work, but it's a lower back pain. And it can be caused by a couple of things, but primarily it's caused by damage that's done there. The other thing that can cause it is having like a subdermal hematoma in that general region, putting damage and pressure on the sheath itself, or and we know I know somebody who's had this, having an uh abscess back there that has to be drained right by your tailbone and spine.

SPEAKER_03 24:58

Um, yeah.

Almost Outdone by Stairs

SPEAKER_01 24:59

And it's so it's really interesting because you could have had that done at any time, but as the scar tissue gets irritable when it gets older, it's that's when it can cause you problems and give you this syndrome. So he had a surgery for this syndrome and it seemed to be doing okay, but it wasn't because then he had a heart attack in 2022. So in 2022, after he was, while he was recovering from this surgery for the Caudia Equina syndrome, um, he had a heart attack, and that's when they discovered he actually had a um what's it called? He was diagnosed with a congenitive heart defect, not heart failure, but an actual heart defect.

SPEAKER_04 25:38

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 25:39

Um, and so he was on meds, he'd been clean and sober, and he just, you know, when we're done, we're done. So, but 54, bro, 54. And it's and it's crazy because we have a lot of actors of a certain era that that's happening to. We just lost Eric Dane at 53. Yeah, we've got Nicholas Burton, which, you know, I'm not taking anything away from Eric Dane. Okay, I think he was a great actor. I loved him on The Last Ship. I don't watch the McSteamy stuff. I think I've seen, I think in the totality of my life, I've seen seven to ten minutes of Grey's Anatomy, and that's just off of video clips on the tube. Not I've never watched the show. I don't, I think Ellen Pompeii is, or Pompeo or Pen Penetter, I don't know. The main lady in it, I think she's a beautiful girl and a good actor. I love uh Patrick Dempsey. I think he's a great actor. Love him, love him, love him. Um, and of course, but I just it's not my bag.

SPEAKER_02 26:46

Yeah. I don't I don't watch soap opera.

SPEAKER_01 26:49

Yeah, it's like way too dramatic for I know.

SPEAKER_02 26:56

Don't watch that shit either.

SPEAKER_01 26:58

Yeah, it's uh so you know, but we have a lot of people that like are kind of clocking out, and I and I don't mean it that way, but like Eric Dane was kind of a real shocker, especially. You know, we'll have to talk about him in it sometime, I'm sure. I think we already have, I don't know. But anyways, Nicholas Brendan, R.I.P. Bro, because for our generation, he was a great comedic relief for part of our life. Yeah, he was the guy, he was the underdog who came in and like he literally had the lost puppy look. He had it nailed, like nailed to a T. He had it nailed, he had it just patted down. Um, but he he was the underdog hero we all needed at the time when we were growing up because you know, Gen X kids, you know, as we're going into adulthoods, we didn't really grow up because there's a lot of us that were latchkey kids.

SPEAKER_04 27:50

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 27:50

And so we were forced to be more mature. So then once we lived on our own, what did what did we do? Immature shit. Uh I know I have work at six o'clock in the morning, but I'm gonna stay up until four o'clock drinking and partying, bro. What do you think? And that's what we do. Um, but for for me though, it's like I don't know, he was the underdog hero we needed. He was a great comedic relief for the show. Um, you know, uh I always think the world's better off with people, even if they've made mistakes. I always think the world's better off with people who've made redemption for their mistakes. And that's and that's one thing that I feel like Nicholas Brenn Brennan did do in his life is that he made mistakes, he owned up to them, and he was just like, Yeah, I'm struggling, bro. I'm not perfect. So alright, P dude. Sorry to the family. But it's it's just crazy.

SPEAKER_03 28:37

They're starting to I mean, we're of that age. I'm actually kind of surprised at how many of the people on that show were are actually older than me because most of them didn't seem that way.

SPEAKER_01 28:50

James Marsters is like 63, 65.

SPEAKER_03 28:53

I mean, I knew he was, right? It's obvious that he was, but it was obvious to me when I saw that show. I was like, okay, he's definitely older than I am. Most of the cast are not.

SPEAKER_01 29:03

Yeah. Yeah. Sarah Michelle Geller is she was born in 77, so she's just a year younger than you.

SPEAKER_03 29:10

Yeah. Two.

SPEAKER_01 29:11

Two years younger. That's right. I always screw up your birthday.

SPEAKER_03 29:15

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 29:16

Because that's what I do.

SPEAKER_03 29:19

Now you're told.

Public Safety Anger

SPEAKER_01 29:21

Nobody's nobody's listening to numbers. Everybody who's listening is on a commute and they're like, I have to pay attention to which of these four fucking lanes I can be in, not to get a toll fee. Why am I gonna do math? And who the fuck's when they're driving, gonna be like, let me look up Sarah Michelle Keller? Yeah. I mean, even well, Allison Hannigan's older than you, Alexis Denzikoff, um, Anthony Head, most of them are older than you. There's just one. Well, and Michelle Tratchenberg, R.I.P. Yeah, which is really crazy because I was talking to somebody the other day, and they were just like, This is creepy. Now the Buffy cast is starting to fall off. And I'm like, it's really weird when you think about like the Buffy cast and that the youngest member of the cast, who was Michelle Tratchenberg, who died last year. It's really odd that like the the oldest member is still alive, Anthony Head, but the youngest.

SPEAKER_03 30:14

The watcher dude?

SPEAKER_01 30:15

Yeah. Which he's a great actor. He's hilarious. He's great. I don't know.

SPEAKER_03 30:22

There there's what about what about the replacement watcher dude?

SPEAKER_01 30:28

Alexis Denzikoff?

SPEAKER_03 30:30

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 30:30

He married Allison Hannick. He married Willow in 1910.

SPEAKER_03 30:32

Oh yeah, that's right.

SPEAKER_01 30:33

They've been married for like 16, 25 years. I don't know. They got a couple of kids, they got a couple of girls, you know, but you know, but yeah, he even then he's only he's only in his 60s now. Anthony Head's like in his late 70s or 80s.

SPEAKER_04 30:48

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 30:48

But it's just like, yeah, the Michelle Tratchenberg thing is, I probably should have done a little bit of research more instead of just trying to brain rimberry. But, you know, she had uh, she just had an organ replacement done. And you know, she got donated an organ, and some people are saying it rejected, other people are saying it's not, and it's just like, look, when your body's done, your body is done. When it shuts, it shuts. And sometimes, unfortunately, you're not able to call for help. Would it have made a difference? I don't know, because the person I was talking to was saying, yeah, it's really weird because the ME report says it's organ failure, but she died at home and she's got like a maid or something. I'm like, I I don't know. Yeah, I I didn't really R.I.P. I just didn't care for her acting abilities. But I do feel very bad that she was a good human.

SPEAKER_03 31:40

Wasn't she also in Arrow? I want to say she was.

SPEAKER_01 31:45

I think she was a guest star on Arrow, but she was not a main cast.

SPEAKER_03 31:49

I want to say that she was actually maybe I'm mistaking her for a different actress. I I was thinking that she was the main character's younger sister.

SPEAKER_01 31:58

No, Thea is not played, was not played by Michelle Fraxy.

SPEAKER_03 32:01

So then is that the younger sister from the OC then?

SPEAKER_01 32:04

Maybe. I don't know. I didn't watch the OC. See, it seems to me like I would I it seems to me like maybe I watched more supernatural weird stuff and you watched more snooty stuff.

SPEAKER_03 32:16

I'm well, my roommate loved the OC, so he was constantly watching it. Um and then he watched that uh was it Police Land or whatever, the the show that the one of the two main characters from the OC went and did after the OC ended, where he's basically he's a cop, he's like a rookie cop or whatever in the first couple of seasons. But anyway. Um I don't consistently watch anything. So even the shows that I really like, oftentimes I won't watch all of it.

SPEAKER_01 32:52

And then you hear they're canceling, you're like, what the fuck happened?

SPEAKER_03 32:54

Yeah. It's like because of people like you, you don't watch it all the time.

SPEAKER_01 32:59

That's how I felt about Heroes. Uh Heroes, do you remember Heroes TV show? Yes. Hito Hito. Uh I watched the first two seasons very or three seasons, because it had four. And I watched the first two and a half seasons really consistently, and then I had life changes happen. So I couldn't go back to it. So by the time I went back to get caught up, I'm like, you fucking cancelled it, you dirty ass dicks.

SPEAKER_03 33:21

I mean, all kinds of stuff happened during that time period too, though, with the show itself. Yeah. Because there was the writer's strike and all that other bullshit. And then when it came back, it wasn't as good as what it had been.

SPEAKER_01 33:33

And it's it's not even, yeah. I mean, yeah, it was not as good.

SPEAKER_03 33:36

It was just like people lost their fucking out of that show.

SPEAKER_01 33:41

The first two seasons were fantastic, though. They really, really were. But the other thing is, hey, thanks, thanks, thanks everybody for not coming to it because now we have so much reality TV show. I'm addicted to MTV's a challenge. Thanks, appreciate it. Yeah, I like really sad. I was trying to catch up on season 41, been trying to catch up season 41. It's been my go-to show for uh 41 seasons, and they do two, two or three seasons a year. I think they do two years. So it's like the last 20 years, that has been my go-to show for I don't mind reality TV because I love learning about the human condition. We know this. I'm an observer, you know, and but there is a cat, there are two cast members on there that I absolutely adore for opposite reasons. And one is a guy named C.T. Tamborello, and he's a guy from Boston, and he's been doing the show. He's probably in like 16, 18 seasons of it. But yeah, yeah. But the other one is Johnny Bananas. Um Danoso? Not Denozo. He's got a really long last name that's hard for me to. It's an Italian last name, it's hard for me to just. Anyways, so you got Johnny Bananas and you got CT. And they're two people who've been doing this show forever, forever. Like, literally, CT was within the first five seasons. He's he did his first one. And then Johnny Bananas, I think, joined around season seven. But he's so you got these two guys, and I really enjoyed them. I I think they're funny, I think their temperament is hilarious because when CT blows up, I'm like, I totally know that feeling. Like he like he's like, he's a he's a rough and tumble guy. But then you get to see this other side of him. So there was a cast member, her name was DM Brown. Okay, and they fell in love, like legit love, and she died of ovarian cancer. And so, you know, you can see the suffering this guy has. But what I like about CT is that now that he's a dad in real life, he's definitely tries to encourage all the underdogs to do better. And he gives credit where it's due, you know. So I that's why I love watching it, is because I like seeing this evolution of human. And then you've got Johnny Bananas, and everybody calls him Johnny Bananas because that's his nickname from high school or whatever. And he really is kind of bananas, but this dude puts in fucking work.

SPEAKER_04 35:59

Yeah, okay.

SPEAKER_01 36:00

Like work. I mean, like he works out every freaking day. He's does his cardio, he does his brain work, he does his trivia, he does he's a well-rounded individual as far as intelligence goes and physical abilities. He's just a dick because of his ego. But I love both sides of it. And what's interesting about these two characters is you've got Johnny Bananas, who's won the most. He's won seven championships doing this.

SPEAKER_03 36:26

Okay.

SPEAKER_01 36:26

So if you do that math, that this is season 41, he's won 20% of these. He's literally won about 20% of them. The only time he doesn't fucking win is when they can actually get him out. Now you can go to YouTube and you can clip CT versus Johnny Bananas, and you're probably gonna see one of the most epic eliminations ever.

SPEAKER_04 36:50

Okay.

SPEAKER_01 36:51

Because they are strapped back to back, and they have to get their goals and are out of the CT's got Johnny on his back, got bananas on his back. CT is like 6'3, 6'4, and he's even at his lowest weight, he's probably a solid 220.

SPEAKER_02 37:11

Okay.

SPEAKER_01 37:12

And at his strongest weight, he's probably 240-ish. And Denozo, or not Denozo, but Johnny Bananas is like six foot one and like a lean 175, maybe 185.

SPEAKER_04 37:27

Okay.

SPEAKER_01 37:27

So they're in this elimination, and Johnny starts to get some momentum, and you can see that it just pissed CT off. So C C T just stood up to his full height, and he like went like Autobots roll out on this kid. He stands up and he goes, and he just baby bjorns and marches to the other end, and then just like, what? So that's why I keep watching it for exciting shit like that. And I love the challenges, they're really interesting because it's just like they did one on this new season where they're up, I don't remember if it's 30 or 40 feet in the air, they're on treadmills that they can't touch, they can only walk on it, and the actual like stair treadmills, so like the actual stairmasters, and they're doing trivia. And every time they get a wrong answer, it speeds up on them automatically. So I love seeing how they had all these challenges and all that. But thanks, Rider Strike. We lost great shows like Heroes and got more reality and got more reality, and we keep speaking of reality, oh my god.

SPEAKER_03 38:30

So quote unquote.

SPEAKER_01 38:32

Fucking hate, right? Where is it? I wrote it down, I wrote it down. Oh, here it is. So I get really annoyed by stupid shit. Let me tell you what. You want to have 12 wives and nine husbands, and that's all consensual with all y'all, that's great. And if you have a gaggle of kids and you pay for them yourself, that's all great. But do not sit there and put your life and your personal life on blast and then be sad and mad and angry and feel like your privacy is invaded when you're the one who put it out there.

SPEAKER_04 39:06

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 39:06

So The Bachelor is this show, I guess. I don't watch it. God, I just I can't. I I watched five minutes of it once, and I just went, no.

SPEAKER_03 39:17

Yeah, I've never watched any of those shows.

Goodbye Nicholas

SPEAKER_01 39:19

Like, I've probably seen, like, even that five minutes might be commercials. I don't know. Yeah, it's not my thing. I it's it's it's it's great. I was I was thinking about watching the Golden Bachelor because I was just like, I'm just like, oh, I know somebody who's older and really could use a partner, like you know, 60s older, not our age. And I thought maybe he would be a good candidate. Nope. No, no. So, anyways, so there's bachelor, they do the bachelor and the bachelorette now. Yeah, so there is a show out there, and it's called The Secret Lives of Mormon Wives. Yeah, okay. And I I don't care. Yeah, like I watch Sister Wives because it was very fascinating, a lifestyle that I thought when I was much younger, I thought would be very intriguing to live. I thought this sounds like the lifestyle to me. So that's why I started watching Sister Wives. And now it's just like everybody's shitting on Cody Brown, and I can't wait to see who shits on him next. Like, whatever. And I'm also hoping that because I always believe that everybody has redemption available. I'm also trying to like, where's his redemption at? Is he gonna get any redemption? So far, no. Just nah. Anyways, so there's this show apparently out there, and apparently it got like TikTok famous, and now they've made a show out of it or whatever. Secret Lives of Mormon Wives. There is a girl on there. Now let me say this, and I'm gonna make it very clear when I say this person's name. You are a piece of shit, in my own personal opinion.

SPEAKER_03 40:50

Yep.

SPEAKER_01 40:51

It is not necessarily Dagda's opinion.

SPEAKER_03 40:54

Yeah, it's my opinion, too.

SPEAKER_01 40:56

It's it's it's probably not the opinion of the rest of the world. Like, oh, leave the poor girl alone. No, let me, I'll explain to you. This girl, in my opinion, is number one, a girl. This is a child. This is somebody who has the maturity level of a 14-year-old going through puberty. My personal opinion and observation is somebody who is, quite frankly, a little bit older than you. Number one. And number two, you're a piece of shit. And number three, you're a big abusing piece of shit.

SPEAKER_03 41:24

So, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 41:25

I'm sure you've heard this a little bit.

SPEAKER_03 41:27

Yeah, I watched uh Awan Preach did a video about her.

SPEAKER_01 41:30

Such bullshit. So this individual's name is Taylor Frankie Paul. She was a bachelorette candidate. She's from The Secret Lives Mormon Wives. They canceled her bachelorette, and she's just having such an emotional time with it. She just hasn't understand. People just don't understand the situation. Listen, bitch. I saw the video. Did you see the video? Of course she did. Yeah. Literally, my note here. If you can see, what does that say, Dagda? What?

SPEAKER_03 41:58

Uh oh, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 42:02

What a cutbag. So I watched the video of this abuse going on. I'm I'm I'm not redacting it. Yeah. And I'm not, because listen, if people don't sit here and come together against abusers, we're gonna keep making excuses for the Diddies and the Epsteins of the world.

SPEAKER_03 42:21

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 42:22

I saw the video, and this I don't care if you were drunk, I don't care. I was emotionally challenged. I'd been drinking, I was so sad. I don't give a fuck. You had children there. She hit her own kid with a chair, throwing a chair at the guy who's not even the father of the kid, who was trying to protect the kid. And like I saw the bashing. And I'm just like, listen, thanks, Rider Strike, and people not being able to come to a compromise, because we've gotten shit like that. And now this, well, I mean, back in our day, because of her being she kind of was a swinger, I guess, is what you would say. Because she was married and seeing somebody that was within her, you know, constructs of her marriage, but then she left her husband for the person she was seeing. He's her baby, her most recent baby daddy, and now they're broken up because she's an abuser. How do I know she's an abuser? If you watch the video of Taylor the fucking cotton bag ball, you are going to hear these lines. This is classic, this is classic abuser language because it's a disbursement of blame. Remember, this is all your fault. That is classic abuser line when they are hitting, when they are punishing. I have to punish you. You did this, you did something wrong against me and our family and my beliefs. I you did this, you made this happen because you have to be punished for your wrongdoing. Yeah. I have never been more joyous in my entire life to hear of a TV show be canceled.

SPEAKER_04 43:53

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 43:54

I was excited. And I'm sorry, I understand it's her living and she has children, but. But she's TikTok famous. That probably provides more than enough money for her if she'd stop getting, you know, tannings and whitenings and liftings and fillings and just actually decided to be a I don't know, not a piece of shit, mom. Anyways.

SPEAKER_03 44:15

Yeah, the w the worst part about this to me is the fact that that video was filmed over three years ago. Um and it's the most recent fucking season of The Bachelorette or whatever that she was supposed to be on. Yep. And so it's like a year or two before they started filming this happened.

SPEAKER_04 44:41

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 44:41

And it was public. Uh why the fuck did they even bother having her on the fucking show? So knowing that this had happened already. So this video. Now they're gonna be like, oh, we didn't Oh, we can't have them because it's the company that has The Bachelor is owned by Disney.

Buffy, Spike and MTV Memories

SPEAKER_01 45:00

Yeah. So, but that's the thing. This is where the misunderstanding is in the world is so when this happened, because it's DV, it's a domestic violence. So when you have a DV, you may be able to look up public records and get things. But when it's a DV, names are redacted and any video evidence is kept in holding until the assailant has served their time, has done what they're supposed to do. So what the hell's her last name? Because Paul. Taylor. Poor Taylor Swift is like, that bitch needs to change her name. Whack whack. And Taylor Swift has the money to make her do it. Anyways, so she she was arrested for this DV. She got slapped with like two years probation and like all this different like uh public service or whatever. She just completed all that. So now it now becomes a matter of public records because the crime has been committed, the justice has been served, the DV abused is just like, I don't care if you show it, because everybody's trying to say, oh, he put this out there, he's trying to ruin her. I'm pretty sure no man wants to have a video out there of himself getting his ass kicked by a tiny woman. And you know, he wasn't like like on the one hand, no, I'm glad it's out there because honestly, it is a true fucking fact. It is a smaller percentage, but women abuse men. Yeah, there are female abuser, female on female, female on male.

SPEAKER_03 46:31

Yeah. And apparently the the female on female is like the highest rate, which is kind of cra well.

SPEAKER_01 46:39

I mean, it's two females, so it's just not it's just the same with sisters fighting, honestly, when it comes down to it.

SPEAKER_03 46:44

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 46:44

Because it it is here's a fun fact. You can be a lesbian, you can be gay, you can be whatever you want. But there does come a point where you there are too many hens in the hen house. Yeah. And you just have a break. And a lot of people haven't learned that it doesn't mean you want to divorce, it doesn't mean you want to break from the relationship. Sometimes it because what'll happen a lot is that there's this perceived slight, or oh, oh, you sm you huh, you hugged that person. You're cheating on me. Like people have gotten around dressed like a slut. Yeah, I saw that skirt slit all the way up to me. Oh, you wore your thong to work today and you bent over and that. Oh, that's it.

SPEAKER_03 47:22

I until I saw that statistic, I always just assumed that it would be dude on dude that would be the highest percentage. Because, well, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 47:34

But that's that's the thing. So I on the one hand, I'm glad the video came out because people like that, people like that, that have that mentality, which has still been in videos from my understanding of what I was reading, still has been in videos where she's told this guy, everything that's wrong in my life is your fault. So, so I am actually glad the video came out. Now that it's released, it's public. I I honestly don't give a shit who it is that released it publicly.

SPEAKER_04 48:06

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 48:07

People like that will keep re-offending.

SPEAKER_04 48:10

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 48:10

And you know how they're gonna keep re-offending? They'll make sure if they have security cameras in their home, those security cameras are unplugged or turned off.

SPEAKER_04 48:16

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 48:17

Or it's gonna happen in the bathroom where people generally don't have security cameras. And you might hear some muffling or whatever, but it's if you know what I mean, it's very, it's a very scary situation. He handled it perfectly. He was not aggressive. All he did was try to record to show this abuse. And and if you listen to the video and he's just like, you always do this, you always do this. If you listen, you hear her go, because it's your fault. This is what you do. You make me do this. She has this repetitive pattern. Um, and just so you know, that is very much classic abusers' line. Yeah, and the reason why it's classic is because the mentality is I'm not angry. I'm punishing you because you were bad and you deserve this. If you had not been bad, if you had not done these slights against me, this punishment would not have been doled out. But oh, here you are fucking up again. So listen, I'm glad it came out because I would rather we have people ex shit like this exposed so they can really get a good look at themselves and figure out how to go to therapy. Because when people are like that, and a lot of times you get people who are abusers that are actually on that narcissist chain.

SPEAKER_04 49:29

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 49:29

So you can't fix that, but you can teach new behaviors and they can actually see like Nick Cannon is a narcissist. So Nick Cannon, who is a celebrity worth lots of money, he actually was recently in the last couple of years was diagnosed with being a narcissist. And there's no fixing it, but there is a way to teach them to recognize poor behavior because in their mind it's not bad behavior. So if we say it's poor behavior, it's not acceptable cultural practices, then it can kind of change the thinking dynamic and not perfectly, but you know, anyways, I'm glad the bachelorette was canceled because I don't think that that is somebody who should not only be representing single women out there, uh, single moms out there. No, you should not be representing them because most single moms I've ever known in my life aren't like that. Because if you're willing to take on a man twice your size and intimidate him, what the fuck is she doing to her kids? To the two-year-old, the five-year-old, the seven-year-old. Like, I think she's got three years, she's got little kids.

SPEAKER_03 50:29

Yeah, she's got three kids.

SPEAKER_01 50:30

Yeah, what is she actually doing to them? And I don't even mean physically, because you know, we've all she's of an age where it's been in school. If you've got a bruise, reported if it was an adult doing it, so she knows she can't bruise, even though she hit her kid with a chair.

SPEAKER_03 50:44

It makes me so mad. Abba and Preach actually showed the police report, and they went into it and they're like, because when the cops got there, they were still yelling and screaming at each other. Um, and anyway, at one point she starts hitting the dude again in front of the police, and the cops like, we're not fucking doing this. And it's like, if you're willing to fucking it's kind of like the Diddy thing. By the point that you are on camera and you're okay with doing this behavior on camera, what the fuck have you been doing prior to that when it was hidden? So, and like she like uh jumped at the dude and he flinched. And the cop's like, that's fucking Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 51:30

I saw I saw a little clip of the body cam where they're outside talking to her, like, what part of this do you think is acceptable? She's like, It's not my fault, it's his fault. He did it. Yeah, and I'm like, and and then this bitch is just like I just caught a little blurb on I'm not even gonna say what online syndicate. There's this little blurb, and she's just like, everybody should understand. I'm going through this really it was a really challenging time, and it was a really private matter, and I'm just being attacked. Like, no.

SPEAKER_03 51:58

You should be getting attacked.

SPEAKER_01 51:59

You you should be in jail.

SPEAKER_03 52:02

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 52:02

Oh, you're a pretty girl from Utah. Oh, with big fake boobies, and you're I mean, she's a she's really yeah, she's she's very attractive. Yeah, and that's what pisses me off.

SPEAKER_03 52:20

And so she doesn't know how to handle herself because she's a fucking child still.

SPEAKER_01 52:23

Oh my god, yeah, and she's like what 30 something?

SPEAKER_03 52:26

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 52:26

I don't uh I don't know. She looks older than she actually is, but that's that just that's just that generation.

unknown 52:32

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 52:33

But so, but I'm glad it came to light. And there, and I don't and I am sorry it didn't come to light three years ago because here's the thing, and hopefully they followed through with it. And of course, Abba and Treat preach, I'm sure they read more into it, but I hope the family has followed through with counseling for the kids. Because those kids, if she's had full-time custody of them, and she's literally been that way since literally he was just like, You've been this way since you were pregnant with our kid. So it sometimes hormonal changes make people do things, yeah, and then that that bad habit becomes a permanent habit. Yeah, although I have a feeling because her husband was willing to let her go fuck whoever, and he was like, Yeah, you want to leave me? Okay, cool. I'm pretty sure.

SPEAKER_03 53:15

And she's probably been this way her whole life.

SPEAKER_01 53:18

She was probably this way with her girlfriends in schools, like backhanded them or pushed them, like, no, I'm gonna date him, not you, or uh no, I'm gonna wear the pink today, not you. And it either way, I'm glad it's out there because when we don't put it out there when people are doing these demeaning and controlly thing, controlling things that take away our human rights. Because when you do this, you're taking away human rights. You get the Epstein's.

SPEAKER_04 53:42

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 53:43

And that is the scariest thing of all is Epstein got away with it for what, 30, 40 years? 30 years, I think.

SPEAKER_03 53:51

At least probably.

SPEAKER_01 53:52

At least 25, if not 30 years.

SPEAKER_03 53:54

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 53:54

And it would have kept going and going and going if he hadn't been caught by something as stupid as like a tax thing or whatever it was. Like a financial thing or whatever.

SPEAKER_03 54:05

But uh yeah, yeah. The first when he actually went to jail, it was over. Well, the first time it was over fucking tax evasion or something like that.

SPEAKER_01 54:13

But that but that's a that's something to take pause and for everybody to think about that really quick. You had somebody like Epstein who had a lot of people fooled into what he was really doing, right? Had the whole world fooled. So celebrities and politicians and everybody else just flocked to a side. Hey, this guy really's got it going on. He knows how to handle money, he knows how to manage everything, and this is great because he's building wealth for everybody. Well, let's get involved. Guess what? Here we are when the fucking veil gets separated. You have former Prince Andrew of England, of the UK, just got arrested.

SPEAKER_02 54:52

Yep.

The Wrap Up

SPEAKER_01 54:53

It is better to expose them now because the victims, like one of his victims, just years and years and years. It's better to expose them now so that the victims can get compensated while they're still alive and have money.

SPEAKER_03 55:06

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 55:06

Not while after the government says, Well, you know, you owe us for like 35 years of back taxes, so there's nothing for the victims. Yeah. It's better to expose those kids. I hope those kids got counseling, and I hope that they are never alone with that woman again.

SPEAKER_04 55:22

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 55:22

I don't care how harsh that is, and go ahead and come at me, bitch, because what are you gonna? I don't own a how I own a car. That's what I own in my life. Yeah, I own a car and I own a computer. That's what I own. Is she gonna come at me because I said something unfair? No, I didn't say anything unfair. And I will say it a million times over. Abusers should never be left alone with their children uh again until the children can fight back and pop her in the face. That poor can you imagine though? Like, I remember things happening when I was a kid and thinking, I don't understand this. What's going on? It leaves this air of confusion. But, anyways, I'm so glad that you watched Avan Preach because I, as soon as I brought her name up, I saw your face and you were just like, oh, that kind of bag. Yes, that kind of bag.

SPEAKER_04 56:07

Yep.

SPEAKER_01 56:08

Anyways, RIP Nicholas Brendan, you brought us entertainment and love, and we will miss you, we will miss Xander Harris, and uh yeah, it's tough stuff, but at least he ain't no pain no more.

SPEAKER_03 56:22

There's that.

SPEAKER_01 56:23

I like I I'm assuming. Oh, make I'm just gonna put it out there, and I'm not trying to be funny, but this is my go-to thing is I don't have ghost-to-ghost communications, so I don't know how it is beyond. But please don't call me because I don't want to have the shit scared out of me. Because I actually did dream about him last night. Wow, I dreamed about him, and he was he was sitting there and he was drinking out of my coffee cup, and he was like, You like this shit? I'm like, it's good. No, it's too sweet. No, it's not. So yeah, I did dream about him last night, but that's after I got went to the bathroom a little night, so whatever. Anyways, uh hope everybody has a fantastic day.

SPEAKER_03 57:02

Have a good one. Bye.

SPEAKER_01 57:04

Later, later.

SPEAKER_00 57:10

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