May The Fourth

Even though Jen isn't necessarily a Star Wars Fan, she and Dagda celebrate May the Fourth with a deep dive into the origins of Star Wars Day, from the 1977 grassroots campaign to Margaret Thatcher’s political wordplay and the first organized fan celebrations. They reflect on Carrie Fisher’s legacy, debate the infamous Star Wars Christmas Special, and break down the highs and lows of the original trilogy, prequels, and sequel trilogy.

The conversation expands into canon controversies, Disney’s acquisition, marketing strategy, fan backlash, and the generational divide between longtime fans and newcomers. They also compare Star Wars to Star Trek’s more optimistic outlook and explore how science fiction inspires real-world innovation in STEM fields.

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Transcript

SPEAKER_05 0:03

Welcome to Everyday Life. Thank you for joining our podcast, Conversations Over Coffee. My name is Jen. And I'm Dagda. And we're gonna hit you with the explicit content warning right off the bat. This podcast does include adult situations and adult language from time to time.

SPEAKER_09 0:22

I'm an angel. I never fucking cuss.

SPEAKER_05 0:25

Okay. Anyways, you ready to go?

SPEAKER_09 0:28

Oh yeah.

SPEAKER_05 0:29

Alright, let's go.

unknown 0:36

Do do do do do do.

SPEAKER_05 0:39

Any fucking well, good morning to you too. How are you doing today?

SPEAKER_09 0:45

I'm doing alright. How are you doing?

SPEAKER_05 0:47

I'm doing good. I think I'm more awake than you. And I'm not even working on a sugar high, so that's kind of scary.

SPEAKER_09 0:53

Me either.

SPEAKER_05 0:55

Yeah, I know you're doing so good with that though.

SPEAKER_09 0:57

I did I had a quarter of a donut yesterday.

SPEAKER_05 1:00

Is that all you could eat? And then you were like, oh, that's too much.

SPEAKER_09 1:02

No, no. The one of my neighbors I I was outside waiting for my buddy Marlon to show up and pick me up. Anyway, one of my neighbors came over and one of my other neighbors came over, and the one lady was like, Oh, I got donuts. You want a piece of a donut? I'm like, okay, I'll have a piece.

SPEAKER_05 1:25

Yeah. Well, because that because donuts kind of go back and forth for you. Sometimes you're like, if I eat one, I'll want three. And then other times you're like, up two bites, I'm good.

SPEAKER_08 1:34

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 1:35

So yeah, I mean, hey, at least you know your moods and recognize them. You know, that's the in uh that's the important thing, I think.

SPEAKER_09 1:40

Yeah. She's like, you can have more than that. I was like, uh, yeah, this is more sugar than what I should be having anyway.

SPEAKER_07 1:46

All right, this is more sugar than I've eaten in a month, so thanks. Not quite.

SPEAKER_09 1:50

I had some trail mix.

SPEAKER_07 1:52

Nice.

SPEAKER_05 1:52

And yeah, trail mix is always good if it's got the coconut, the toasted coconut, and the chocolate in it.

SPEAKER_09 1:58

Yeah, I had one that had white chocolate and um like cookie, like sugar cookie, um, and some other stuff, I don't remember. And then I had the one that was a bunch of fruit, so it was like um banana chips, coconut, cranberries. Uh no, it had the uh pineapple or mango? It had the pineapple.

SPEAKER_05 2:24

Oh, okay. That one's good too.

SPEAKER_09 2:25

Yeah, I really like the the freeze uh the dehydrated pineapple chunks, those are really good.

SPEAKER_05 2:31

They they really are, but you still gotta watch that sugar content. Like, yeah, I would take dehydrated uh pineapple over uh banana any day.

SPEAKER_09 2:41

Yeah. I'm just I like banana chips, but yeah, the pineapple is way better. Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 2:48

I I see, and the thing with banana chips is that um a lot of people do those banana chips when they're already high sugar, and I don't like ripe, overripe, or super ripe bananas. Not unless I'm throwing it into a banana bread. Thank you so much. Yeah. So um, for all intents and purposes, today's podcast. You know what today is? Uh the day that the podcast comes out. That's right. May the fourth be with you. I think that's the Star Wars theme. Yeah. I don't know. What is the Star Wars thing?

SPEAKER_09 3:26

Bom, bom, bum, bum, bad, bum, bottom. That's the uh what is it? Death Star coming or whatever. April March or something like that.

Origins

SPEAKER_05 3:35

Yeah. Well, you know, look, I'm not a super Star Wars fan, but I know there's plenty of people out there who love Star Wars. So I did this for them. It's May the 4th. This episode comes out on May the 4th. So may the fourth be with them.

SPEAKER_09 3:47

I think I'm gonna turn I I think I'm gonna become a Jedi, the religion.

SPEAKER_05 3:52

Um, only Sam Jackson's. I want a purple lightsaber. Lightsaber too. Sam Jackson, you must share because I'm a unicorn of a person. So let's do some history, right? Because who doesn't love history?

SPEAKER_09 4:09

Is it history with mystery?

SPEAKER_05 4:12

It is. Do you know where the so do you know when Star Wars first came out, when it first appeared? It was like 1971 or something like that. 1977.

SPEAKER_09 4:24

Really?

unknown 4:25

Yep.

SPEAKER_05 4:26

I looked it up and everything.

SPEAKER_09 4:27

I I thought the first one came out before I was born. Okay.

SPEAKER_05 4:30

Nope. So on May 4th, 1977. Oh, it actually came out on May 4th. No, can I finish it? Okay, so I'm trying to get too excited. Is when they started a grassroots campaign because Star Wars came out, first time theatrical release, May 25th, 1977. But on May 4th, 1977, they started this grassroot campaign. Star Wars is coming, Star Wars is coming, may the force be with you, may the force be with you.

SPEAKER_08 4:59

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_05 5:00

Right? So I thought that was a really cool, fun fact that interesting. Yeah, that the 1977 there was a grassroot campaign about Star Wars. Now, the Star Wars, may the Force Be With You Day. The Star Wars Day hasn't a Lucasfilm has nothing to do with it. Yeah, yeah. This is all uh fan driven and and all of that great stuff.

SPEAKER_09 5:22

And it's a fun pun.

SPEAKER_05 5:24

It's a fun pun. So what's interesting is in 2008, Facebook group started to form celebrating Luke Skywalker Day, which I believe I don't know his actual birthday, but I think Luke Skywalker Day is like Mark Hamill's actual birthday. And I didn't look it up because I'm just like, it's Mark Hamill. I know him more as the Joker. So the voice of the Joker in the Batman animated series.

SPEAKER_08 5:49

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 5:49

Right? So sorry. I just got that. You just looked at me like, what are you, a Zoomer? No, because Zoomers actually know Star Wars. Sorry. You want to talk about Captain America? Oh, about my Captain America book. That's fine.

SPEAKER_09 6:03

A lot of the Zoomers don't know anything about the original trilogy.

SPEAKER_05 6:06

No, they're just like, What are you talking about, Rogue One? What do you mean there was something before Rogue One? What's wrong with you? What do you mean there was something before Ray? What?

SPEAKER_09 6:12

I know there's something before The Mandalorian.

SPEAKER_05 6:15

Yeah, Gork. No, there what's Yoda? There's Gorku.

SPEAKER_09 6:19

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 6:20

Listen.

SPEAKER_09 6:21

Except so many people referred to him as Baby Yoda, especially until you got his actual name.

SPEAKER_05 6:27

Well, yeah, I mean, I think Gen Xer started that where we're like, oh, it's a baby Yoda.

SPEAKER_09 6:31

Yeah, I probably everybody who saw him said that. Right.

SPEAKER_05 6:36

I I think I think more people on the planet are familiar with what Star Wars may be or encompassed.

SPEAKER_08 6:42

But anyway.

SPEAKER_05 6:43

2008 Facebook groups start forming to celebrate Sluke Skywalker Day. Um, with the same catchphrase, may the force be with you.

SPEAKER_08 6:51

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_05 6:52

Okay. So the very first organized celebration of the Star Wars themselves took place in Toronto, Ontario, Canada, at the Toronto Underground Cinema on May 4th, 2011. But before, before there was May 4th, 2011, where these groups got together and said, May the fourth be with you, besides the grassroot campaign that said, May the fourth be with you.

SPEAKER_09 7:25

I want you to be, I want to be really clear about that. Yeah, because that was a common saying in the movies. Yeah.

Orginal Pun

SPEAKER_05 7:30

Do you know where the actual phrase, may the fourth, be with you? Do you know where it comes from? Some nerd who likes Star Wars and realizing it's a pun. In 1979, Margaret Thatcher was elected as the prime minister to the entire United Kingdom. I should hope it's the entire United Kingdom. Her, you little fucking not today, Jesus, not today. Her entire political party, to express their gratitude and support to her, purchased a half of a page ad that simply said, Dear Maggie, may the fourth be with you. Your party workers. And because they did the original pun on May the Fourth Be With You, people remember it because it was very historic for people. Hey, look, you might not have remembered it, but I know how to fucking read history, bitch.

SPEAKER_09 8:31

I mean, not British for one thing. Every time you say her name, I keep uh a Pink Floyd song that starts playing in my head. But yeah. No Pink Floyd. Oh Maggie, Maggie, what have we done?

SPEAKER_05 8:46

And not only do you do it with that weirdness sometimes, but you have you give your scrunched up face the old man look. What the hell's that? Oh well, I mean, I guess Pink Floyd is old man music, isn't it? Uh I don't know, because haven't they been around for like 70 years or something like that?

SPEAKER_09 9:02

I mean, they are they are um boomers. Yeah, yeah, they're boomers.

unknown 9:08

Yeah, they're old.

SPEAKER_05 9:09

I mean, I know the the wall. I know that one.

SPEAKER_07 9:12

Yeah, actually uh is that from it's from Pink Floyd.

SPEAKER_09 9:18

Yeah, no, that's not what I'm saying. I'm I'm trying to remember if that particular song was I think that song was on the final cut, not the not the wall.

SPEAKER_05 9:28

Yeah. So so Margaret Thatcher, her party, they did it because I'm guessing it's because she liked the Star Wars. I don't know. But enough of them, but the but they did a play on it because in uh UK Parliament, May 4th is election day. Okay, so which is very coincidental, but everybody kind of picked up on it.

SPEAKER_09 9:50

So that saying for them had nothing to do with Star Wars.

SPEAKER_05 9:54

No, they used the play on words to be like may basically say May 4th, you got it.

SPEAKER_09 9:59

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 10:00

May 4th, we're all backing you up, but it's really great. But they did do it, they were inspired by May the Force Be With You. Cause they were like, Oh, this is funny.

SPEAKER_10 10:10

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 10:10

So Margaret Thatcher's uh political party workers said at first, just FYL, you nerds out there.

SPEAKER_02 10:18

Okay.

SPEAKER_05 10:19

So the phrase has been used a lot for a lot of different things prior to there ever being even an organized uh Star Wars Day. And one of the ways it was used was in there used to be a children's animated horror TV show called Count Duckula.

SPEAKER_08 10:37

Okay.

SPEAKER_05 10:38

And in 1988, it put out in the UK.

SPEAKER_08 10:42

Okay. Sorry, once again, something completely unreal.

SPEAKER_05 10:46

I've seen I've actually seen Cal Conduncula because you know, I mean, obviously, I mean, I'm a nerd, but they played reruns on uh, I don't remember if it was ABC or CBS, but they played Saturday morning reruns after it was off the air.

SPEAKER_09 10:59

You ever seen Asterisk and Obelix?

SPEAKER_05 11:01

For some reason I want to say yes.

SPEAKER_09 11:03

It's about Celts, but yeah.

SPEAKER_05 11:06

Yeah. Well, I thought it was neat because in Celt Ducula, in a 1988 episode, The Vampire Strikes Back, as he's leaving, he looks at everybody and goes, May the Fourth be with you. So I thought that was great. Um, it was uh crazy enough, it was also May the Fourth be with you was or may the fourth be with you was also used in a United Kingdom's Parliament defense debate that happened on May 4th, 1994. Okay, yeah, crazy, right? Um, astrophysicist and author Gian Cavellas or Cavellos wrote a book, and it was the 1999 book, The Science of Star Wars, on page 94. She references it as well. Okay. Um so it just goes on and on and on. People have like, first of all, I'm not obsessed with space. I don't have any desire to fly to another planet and meet another intelligent, somebody more intelligent than me because I deal with that enough in my real life. As I glaringly stare over at you. I am used to a lot of people being smarter than me. Uh, and that's fine. That's okay. I'm not stupid by any stretch of the imagination, but I'm also not like sometimes I look at you, and when you say smart things, I literally can hear you going, I'm a brainiack, brainiack, and it shows. And I want to smack you a few times and be like, stop being so smart. Anyways, uh so on Star Wars Day in 2015, the astronauts at the International Space Station celebrated Star Wars Day by watching Star Wars.

Early Celebrations

SPEAKER_08 12:59

Nice.

SPEAKER_05 13:00

Uh yeah. Um, and here's here's a kind of a crazy thing.

SPEAKER_09 13:05

They should have done it by watching fucking uh John Carter, Warlord of Mars.

SPEAKER_05 13:12

They should have just done it by watching John Carter. Like, not the wait, are you talking about the same one that Disney put out, or are you talking about the original?

SPEAKER_09 13:20

Uh yes.

SPEAKER_05 13:21

You're talking about the original and the one Disney put out. I've only known about two of them. Um one from way back when, and then the new one with Taylor Kish. He makes my face smile. Creepy smile at that. Wow. Um, okay, so in uh don't be a creepy old lady. I'm not. I'll be a creepy young lady. I'm cool with being a creepy young lady. Anyway. Uh so in 2022, um they announced that Carrie Fisher was gonna get her star on the Walk of Fame. And of course, we know Carrie Fisher played Princess Leia.

SPEAKER_09 13:59

Yeah. R.I.P.

SPEAKER_05 14:01

R.I.P. Here's the crazy thing. So Carrie Fisher um died in 2016. So almost nine years after her death. Was it almost nine years? No, I'm sorry, almost seven years after her death. So six and a half, literally, it's like six years and five months and like three weeks after her death.

SPEAKER_08 14:23

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 14:23

On May 4th, 2023, she got her walk on May the 4th. She got her walk on the Hollywood walk of fame. She did. Yeah. She she did. And you know, and that was a really cool thing that they did giving her that homage on May the 4th.

SPEAKER_09 14:42

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 14:43

Because she was a big supporter of that.

SPEAKER_09 14:45

That makes me wonder, like, because usually, so there's organizations that do this sort of thing for stars that can't do it themselves. Um, and so that makes me wonder if they have her handprint. Because most of them, when they're still alive, they'll put like footprints, although they're wearing shoes or whatever.

SPEAKER_05 15:10

So here's the crazy thing. I think they would easily have her hand prints because they should start putting death masks on there too.

SPEAKER_09 15:23

FUD. Although that that could lead to some weird shit happening. Right. Because, like, well, for one thing, death masks are creepy. People stepping on their faces and shit. Uh, so probably not a good idea.

SPEAKER_05 15:37

Fuck you, Joanna Woods. Somebody break their necks on break their noses on purpose.

SPEAKER_09 15:42

And considering what all goes down in that area of fucking Chattown. Uh of fucking uh uh California currently, probably be people pissing and shitting on them too. I'm saying, like, yeah. You know what California's gonna California.

SPEAKER_05 16:00

California. No, go away. Nope, I was gonna be like, go away. Uh which I mean, there's people who live in California that I like, so you know there's that. But um, so the thing about it is I'm pretty sure they would have had her hand prints because she had a daughter named Billy Lorde, whose name is Billy Lord's. And I imagine most parents do like mommy and me hand pictures. I'm sure my mom probably has. Hi, mommy. Hi, mommy, hi mommy. Mom probably has hand pictures somewhere of us kids, but I'm sure it was a huge, it was a huge trend in the 80s and 90s that the adults did the hand prints, like you you get ink on your hands and paint on your hands, you do that, and then the kids do it inside. Yeah, you know, so I I imagine, and if not, I mean, let's be quite fucking honest here. We live in the day and age where they could take a set of her gloves and fill it and and do it that way. They could take a set of gloves because they would have been form-fitted to her hands, and they could fill it with plaster or Paris and they could use that to kind of do the impressions of her hands, or her daughter could have done it. I didn't read that far into it because although I I mean Carrie Fisher was fucking nuts when she was alive. And it's creepy to me that she died, and then like five days later, her mom, like her mom died like two or five days later. I mean, I feel so bad for her kid. I feel so bad for her daughter. Billy Lord just lose her mom, then she loses her grandma, the other person she's closest to in her life.

SPEAKER_08 17:27

Yeah. Yeah, that would be rough.

SPEAKER_05 17:30

You know, and it was like, and I thought it was horrible. All these haters out there, they killed off Han Solo in uh what one was the one Adam Driver was in? Star Wars the Death Race or something. I don't know. Episode seven, eight, nine. Yeah, whichever one it was that had Adam Driver's Their Kid in it.

SPEAKER_10 17:54

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_05 17:55

And it's I remember like within a month of Carrie Fisher's death, somebody being like, Star Wars Lucas got George Lucas got it wrong. And I was like, You guys are fucking brutal.

SPEAKER_09 18:05

They had that meme where it was like it was a picture of uh Princess Leia laughing and and fucking George Lucas killed off on solo. Yeah. And then she actually died.

Carrie Fisher Tribute

SPEAKER_05 18:23

And I feel bad for her kid though. That's the thing, is I feel bad for her kid because I'm like, I'm like, that's funny, but like that was way too soon, bro. Like, give it a decade or something before we start doing that. Like, like us talking about like previously about like Chuck Norris's little hyperbolic memes. I wouldn't have said anything if I hadn't read an art a little bit of an article that said he loved them. Yeah. And he encouraged people to do them. He wanted people to have a good time at it because as long as it was about being positive and speaking positively, that's what he wanted. Yeah. And he was very humbled by the fact that people thought so greatly of him when he was just somebody who worked very hard to be disciplined his whole life.

SPEAKER_08 19:05

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 19:05

So, anyways, um, so Star Wars, uh, you know, I love me some chewbacca. What a I don't know how to do it. How do you do it? Um, I thought I think C3PO and R2D2 were hilarious. Oh my basta. Blah blah blah.

SPEAKER_09 19:24

Did you ever watch the I can't remember the name of the cartoon, but there was a C3PO and R2D2 cartoon uh in the I don't know, like early 90s, I want to say. It was one of those things, so there were at least two separate things that were technically set in the Star Wars universe, but weren't uh George Lucas productions.

SPEAKER_05 19:50

Well, I know there was like the Jawas or the Ewoks or something.

SPEAKER_09 19:52

It was the Ewoks. So there's the Ewoks Adventure and Battle for Indoor. Both of those, even though they were technically Star Wars, they weren't.

SPEAKER_06 20:02

Yeah.

SPEAKER_09 20:02

They were written, directed by completely different people. Yeah. Um, and then there was the the R2D2C3PO cartoon. I remember the fucking uh theme song, but I don't remember the name of the cartoon or whatever.

SPEAKER_05 20:17

Oh, interesting. Yeah, I don't think so. I think I remember I'm I remember there was like a Star Wars Christmas special or something. Yes. There was I know that there was something with the Ewoks, and they were going, oh, Star Cruiser, crash, crash. I very specifically remember seeing all the ewks, and I remember, and I I'm pretty sure, and well, maybe it might have been one of my grandparents, I but I remember looking at some adult figure in my family and going, I must have one. I needed that. And what was interesting is when I became an adult later, well, I'm still not an adult, I can't even say that shit with a straight face. Yeah, when I got older, I actually bought a Furby. And I was just like, I've got my own little ewok now. But I had to put that bitch into storage because she wouldn't shut the fuck up. Yeah. Love me, love me. Oh I'm hungry. Oh, shut up, go get a fucking job. I ain't got time. I got time. Real life happens. Um, but I love the ewks. Um, I think they're fantastic. Yeah. Of course, you know, it's what's really weird is like um I really a lot of people did not like Attack of the Clones. And I liked it. Fine, just fine. I've seen all the Star Wars, I don't know. Star Wars, The Empire Strike Back, and Turn to the Jedi, and then Attack of the Clones, and the one with Darth Maul, and then one of the other ones, and then the one with Adam Driver. So I've seen seven of the nine or whatever.

SPEAKER_08 21:50

Okay.

SPEAKER_05 21:51

And they're I'm not going to sit there and watch them on repeat. They're not Captain America. They're not Thor. They're not Hulk. They're not good movies. I was not gonna say that.

SPEAKER_09 22:04

I mean, I've seen worse movies.

SPEAKER_05 22:06

Um I mean the best part of all those movies was Yoda, let's not lie. And Sam Jackson.

SPEAKER_09 22:10

I mean, yeah, Yoda was awesome in the prequel and in the prequel salute series and the fucking.

SPEAKER_05 22:17

Until spoiler alert, Yoda dies, and it's like, no, not Yoda. Take take R2T2. You know, the actor who played R2T2's this little munchkin suits going, hey bitch.

SPEAKER_09 22:30

Yeah. Uh I mean, well, the I think the reason why the droids never die in that series is because they're droids, so it isn't that impactful to the story.

SPEAKER_06 22:43

Yeah.

SPEAKER_09 22:44

If the robots die because you can reboot them, you can fix them and fucking bring them back.

SPEAKER_05 22:50

Yeah, because wasn't R2D2 shot at one point, you know, and he was just like, ah, and the 3C, 3PO is less. Ah too, ah too. So, you know, I don't know. Um I I can I can be very, very honest with why I don't like Star Wars that well. Okay. I respect Star Wars players or likers or lovers or I you know, you guys have fun. This is great. My problem is that you find out, dun, dun, dun, that Luke and Leia are brother and sister, yeah, and he was trying to have some familiarity with her. No. No skin hitting. No, no, no, no, no.

SPEAKER_09 23:32

That doesn't bother me because they didn't know at the time. Don't care. And so, and then when they found out, it was okay, we're done with all that. Uh, it was And they didn't even do anything. Uh like they kissed once. They kissed once, and she kissed him on the cheek, and she did that to make Han Solo jealous. That was all that was going on.

SPEAKER_07 23:52

I understand all that. So there was no making out or any fucking thing like that.

Jawas and Ewoks

SPEAKER_09 23:58

There was no heavy petting, even. None of that happened.

SPEAKER_05 24:02

The way he would stare lustily after her until he found out she was his sister creeped me out.

SPEAKER_09 24:10

You are fucking adding way too much to this.

SPEAKER_05 24:14

No, it just creeped me out. It just creeped me out.

SPEAKER_09 24:17

It's not that deep, bro.

SPEAKER_05 24:21

That's exactly what she said.

SPEAKER_07 24:23

She has a shallow vagina.

SPEAKER_05 24:26

Lightsilver will not fit. Uh no, but uh, I don't know. My my favorite parts has always been the ewx. Chewbacca's great. I think Chewbacca's great. Did you know Chewbacca has a wife?

SPEAKER_09 24:38

Uh, yeah, and a kid. Which is and a grandpa and all that, which is shown in the fucking the redacted. I mean the fucking Christmas special. I've seen parts of the Christmas special. You can still find it online, like on YouTube. Oftentimes it gets deleted fairly frequently, but yeah, you can still find it.

SPEAKER_07 24:59

Stop Lucasfilms. You made m enough billions. Just let people live their life.

SPEAKER_09 25:04

That fucking Christmas special is fucking terrible. And so uh it's fucking garbage. Absolute fucking garbage.

SPEAKER_05 25:14

You know, here's the thing in the defense, there are plenty of things that are going on that we see on the news all the time that's just trash. That's just garbage, but yet we still let it out there, anyways.

SPEAKER_09 25:28

So the the Christmas special makes the fucking combined terribleness of the prequels and the fucking final three episodes seem like fucking Shakespeare.

SPEAKER_05 25:41

Well, I thought the one one of the episodes that has the Ray Chick with Luke Skywalker as her master, it wasn't that terrible. It was meh. Yeah, I mean, meh is better than oh god, stab my eyes. I mean That's what I'm saying.

SPEAKER_07 25:55

The fucking Christmas special is god-awful.

SPEAKER_05 25:58

You would stab your eyes out instead of watching it again.

SPEAKER_09 26:00

Yes, and I didn't watch all of it. I watched parts of it. I'm like, what the fuck is this shit?

SPEAKER_01 26:06

What is this trash? Fucking garbage. Fucking trash panda.

SPEAKER_09 26:10

It's no room, it's no wonder that fucking George Lucas fucking tried to destroy it and hide it from history.

SPEAKER_05 26:16

No kidding. Uh well, I mean, I get that, but if you're a fan, you gotta love all of it. And if Lucas had no part of it whatsoever, then of course somebody's infringing on his creativity and his idea and his masterpiece. So fine, fine, fine. But there's worse shit out there. George Lucas had no part of the Christmas thing.

SPEAKER_09 26:37

No, I'm I'm pretty sure that he fucking wrote and directed the fucking piece of shit.

SPEAKER_05 26:41

Oh, George Lucas.

SPEAKER_09 26:42

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 26:43

So now he's ashamed of his creation. He's just like, hi, dance, we must ban it like Frankenstein.

SPEAKER_09 26:49

Cocaine might have been involved.

unknown 26:50

I don't know.

SPEAKER_09 26:52

Well, he must have had a conversation with Charlie Cheen.

SPEAKER_07 26:54

It was that right time period. Fucking Charlie Sheen came over to him in the 80s and said, Hey Georgie boy, I got in India. We need some hookers and blow, and then we're gonna make ourselves a movie.

SPEAKER_09 27:07

It is almost the exact opposite of the fucking uh uh um, god damn it, the Guardians of the Galaxy Christmas special.

SPEAKER_07 27:16

Oh, Guardians of the Galaxy Christmas Special was fucking fantastic. Fucking superhero super Kevin Bacon.

SPEAKER_05 27:23

Right? Kevin Bacon. It's it's so insane to me how awesome Kevin Bacon is. And there are it is so weird because I loved him in like a few good men, very great performance in there. Oh yeah, stir of echoes. Yeah, very creepy. I'll tell you what one of the it's not Kevin Bacon, but one of the creepiest performances I've ever seen in that whole supernatural realm. Stanley Tucci, The Lovely Bones. Do you know what I'm talking about?

SPEAKER_09 27:57

I think I might have seen that movie. I'm not sure.

SPEAKER_05 28:01

So it's it's it's a Stephen King one.

SPEAKER_09 28:03

It sounds familiar. Oh, it's a Stephen King one.

SPEAKER_05 28:05

I believe it's a Stephen King one, but it's set in like the 70s or 80s, and Mark Rahlberg is the dad, and he's got a wife and three children, and his daughter goes missing. He has a neighbor, everybody's looking for his daughter, they can't figure out where she went, and he starts suspecting something because he keeps hearing an echo in his head, and then he sees his neighbor building something, which is really creepy to see in a neighborhood. His neighbor is building an animal blind in the backyard in a neighborhood, which is really creepy. So, anyways, Stanley Tucci, one of the absolute creepiest, creepy child, yucky, redacted performers. You know, I mean, it was I if I had I shaved my body hair. So if I had body hair, you could feel that I have goosebumps because it was creepy. But anyways, George Lucas, shame on you. Listening to Charlie Sheen when he's doing hookers from Blow. What are you thinking? Yeah, we'll throw a couple of Jawas in there just for something different. Yeah.

SPEAKER_09 29:11

Yeah, there was a whole segment that was just Chewbacca and his family. It was like a um, I can't remember if it was I think it was like a um, you know how soldiers would often get care packages from their family? It was something along that lines, I do believe.

SPEAKER_07 29:29

Like he got like a video in space or something?

SPEAKER_09 29:31

Yeah, like a video uh from his family celebrating Christmas and telling a Merry Christmas or something along those lines.

SPEAKER_05 29:39

So they just had they had a bunch of hairy costume people going, uh, yeah, a whole ass segment. Dude, I literally can see Charlie Shane and George sitting there.

SPEAKER_01 29:51

Hey Georgie boy, what if we saw Jubacus family? Hey Charlie, what if we saw life?

SPEAKER_04 29:58

That'd be great. God.

SPEAKER_09 30:03

A Chichin Chong bong session led to the fucking like, well, you know, I'm not picking, I don't want to pick on Star.

SPEAKER_05 30:13

I'm not trying to pick on Star Wars. I'm really not.

SPEAKER_10 30:15

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 30:15

My favorite things are the Ewoks, the Jawas. Like, you know, I love them so much. And I love the fact that uh not to bring him up again, but Jim Butcher mentions the Jawas when Molly talks about her siblings. Yeah, and I love that because he's giving a little homage to other sci-fi.

SPEAKER_09 30:36

Yeah, he does that a lot, yeah.

Anakin and Darth Maul

SPEAKER_05 30:37

And I and I do I do love that. I mean, but uh Butcher, please don't ever do hookers and blow with Charlie and George because we don't need to see Harry's new make a scene about it. Video record as soon as you how stupid some of the shit that comes out of your mouth is. If you well, George Lucas, that's what I'm saying. Like, no offense. Like I didn't know until I saw a picture of him like a couple years ago that he had no neck. Did you know that?

SPEAKER_09 31:06

Yeah, I mean I've been seeing him for a long time.

SPEAKER_05 31:10

I don't pay attention to that. I'm just like yeah. I mean, I remember remember that scene where Harrison Foreign gets frozen, what is that, carbamite or whatever? Dumbest scene ever. Carbonite, yeah, until I heard about Chewbacca's growling family sending a video postcard to him in space in the 80s.

SPEAKER_09 31:30

I think that I think that's what it was. Yeah. I don't remember. I tried to black it all out. It's like the uh what is it, the scene in um Happy Gilmore? At no point did your fucking uh explanation come to any kind of logical conclusion, and we're all stupider for having listened to it. That's that's basically the the uh Christmas special.

SPEAKER_05 31:56

Nice. Fuck well, yeah. I mean, uh Star Wars to me is it's and I and people are it's I swear to god, it's a true, true balance. Either you're a trekkie or you're not. Either you like Star Wars or you like Star Trek, you have a preference. And I don't know what they call Star Warsers. What do they call them? Rebels or something like that? I don't know.

SPEAKER_09 32:22

I'm not part of either one of those camps.

SPEAKER_05 32:23

I like both of them, but I uh am okay with some Star Wars stuff. Uh like I said, uh Attack the Clones was not the worst movie I've ever seen, so I don't know why everybody's bitching about it. And that and that's that's become like a very big problem as we have this culture cancel cancel culture and all this stuff. Well, you didn't meet my expectations because what I expected you to do now, listen, George. No, don't just George, listen. What I expected you to do was I expected you to take Han Solo, right? And have him punch through the carbonite, punch his way out, and then come, you know, grab Leia with the other arm and skyrocket off to Endor. Any fucking and fly like people put their expect this is what I want to see in the movie. Therefore, if I don't see it, it's a horrible movie, it's terrible, it's terrible, bad, bad, bad.

SPEAKER_09 33:17

Well, here's part of the problem. So one of the big problems initially was the fact that um the movies that we got, um there were a shitload of novels that were put out for that time period.

SPEAKER_05 33:34

Okay, fair.

SPEAKER_09 33:36

So there was a bunch of novels already out that were in the time period that the second set of trilogies or the final trilogies were put up.

SPEAKER_01 33:46

Okay.

SPEAKER_09 33:47

So there was expectations, there's all this canon already, there's tons of information on what goes on during that time period. And then we got movies that mostly ignored all that. Okay. In fact, a bunch of it supersedes it. So a bunch of the already canon that people had fucking been believing and reading and loving for decades just got shit on. Is the way that they feel. It would be like if somebody took Game of Thrones and then they made a Star Trek fucking episode saying that it was fucking Game of Thrones, you would not be fucking happy. Um, well, I don't here's my problem. And then they said it was Game of Thrones. They tried to tell you this is Game of Thrones, but obviously it's fucking Star Trek.

SPEAKER_05 34:32

Yeah.

SPEAKER_09 34:33

You would be fucking annoyed.

SPEAKER_05 34:35

I I I would be very annoyed. And I'm very annoyed at the fact that he has this whole line of books and then he strays from it. But was he the original writer or did he give the creative license to others?

SPEAKER_09 34:44

So he licensed out, um, he he fucking yeah, he gave people license to write within his intellectual property. Uh-huh. And then but the thing is, he had fucking, because it's his fucking setting, he had fiat over it before the fucking book comes out. Yeah. So if you're going to be like, I don't like that, you should do it before the book gets published and you get paid for it and then fucking go shit on that thing that you just accepted as fucking part of your reality. Right?

SPEAKER_03 35:19

So do you think do you think that George Lucas just accepted this shitty shit, shit, shit, just for the money to keep continuing?

SPEAKER_09 35:28

Um, so one of the problems that I'm gonna say, okay, I get it from his perspective, is that okay, there's a buttload of stuff that he didn't actually create that's part of his setting, but he didn't create. So there's a number of problems there. Number one, um, sharing the rights to something. Um how are you gonna pay the authors of the stuff that you approved and therefore got paid for? Because you're gonna need to acknowledge that they wrote this particular story.

SPEAKER_06 36:02

Yeah.

SPEAKER_09 36:03

Um, so that is a whole can of worms that maybe he just didn't feel like dealing with, and so that's why he fucking did his own thing. Um, although a bunch of the stuff that happens in the movies is stuff from the novels, um but so that could be part of it. Also, um at that point, I believe he had given up control of Star Wars at that point when the when the final trilogies were put out. Because he was still in control, he still owned everything when the prequels got put out, but when the final trilogy got put out, I believe he had sold it to Disney by then. Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 36:45

So I think that happened in I think that happened in 2017, 2018, or something.

SPEAKER_09 36:49

Something like that. Yeah. And so he wasn't directly in control of a bunch of that stuff, but somebody that he had a long working relationship with was the effectively like the showrunner for Star Wars. It was one of his people that had been his assistant and like producer type person for decades that ended up getting handed over the reins of making stuff.

SPEAKER_02 37:20

Okay.

SPEAKER_09 37:21

Um and so she was fantastic at the job of doing like production type stuff, uh-huh, but not necessarily creative type stuff. So I think part of it was she wanted it to be her show now, yeah. And not necessarily Lucas Films, yeah. Making fucking uh well, it's still Lucas Films, but it wasn't necessarily it wasn't his vision, it wasn't his fucking project project that he was leading.

SPEAKER_02 37:53

Yeah.

SPEAKER_09 37:54

So a lot of it is that.

SPEAKER_02 37:56

Uh-huh.

Original Trilogy

SPEAKER_09 37:57

Um, so there's a lot of complicated shit going on in the background uh that caused the shit show that is the fucking final trilogy. Um, especially in true fans' fucking opinions, not the people who came into it by watching those three movies for the first time.

SPEAKER_06 38:16

Yeah.

SPEAKER_09 38:16

And I can kind of get because of the generation that was watching those movies for the very first time in theater, having not seen the other ones, um, a lot of it was set up to speak to them. But at the same time, a bunch of it was also just a repeat of the original trilogy. Um so there's a lot of fucking nonsense going on throughout all that.

SPEAKER_05 38:42

One of the reasons why I quit caring about the Star Wars is because you've got one, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight, nine. Oh, wait, we're sorry. That's not how it goes. It goes six five four-three one two nine seven eight or or whatever the fucking order is. And it's just like, okay, so you want to tell me the movies that I saw in my childhood now have no bearing of significance.

SPEAKER_09 39:05

They do. They do. Um, so part of it is that I believe when he first made the first three movies, so the you know how the the the introduction of the movie and there's the scroll of the Oh no, God, actually, a long time ago. Yeah. And it tells you episode four or whatever. That wasn't added until later.

SPEAKER_06 39:26

Yeah.

SPEAKER_09 39:27

So apparently he I don't know if he didn't originally intend for it to be a triple trilogy. So three trilogies. Right. Um but he apparently hadn't had the idea of making the prequels until he had made like the second or third movie, and then they went back and added the fucking this is actually episode four five and six.

SPEAKER_03 39:53

And I get that. Like, okay, so like if we're looking at like Marvel, they did the same thing with Black Widow, they do her whole storyline up all the way, and we get to uh Infinity Wars, right?

SPEAKER_05 40:06

Infinity Wars comes and then boom. Then we get a Black Widow, like a Black Widow movie movie, right? So it explains a lot, and that's well done. The way it's done is well done because it's because actually, I think we get through Infinity Wars and then we get through uh Endgame. Yeah, we got through Endgame and then comes the Black Widow movie, and it was done so fucking well because it explains a lot of things, and there's even some detail in there that people miss about like the shame that she feels because the Black Widow movie when she finds Yelena happens, you know, uh in between it happens before uh like Endgame or whatever, and but it happens after she's met uh Clint. So it like it happens in that time frame and everything where she's like, I'm ashamed of a lot of things I've done. You know, so it's really well done. But the problem I have is you go back with this prequel in Star Wars and it doesn't do well, which I mean, how do you not adore Anakin Skywalker? And then, you know, uh, what's his name? Christensen, like all these great, great actors, and it has this really like you can they tell this story from the perspective of this young boy who falls in love with a princess, and he grows up with anger because of how he's growing up, being poor with nothing. He's not I think he's living with his aunt and uncle, which is just another fucking that was fucking uh what's his name?

SPEAKER_09 41:38

That was Luke, not Anakin.

SPEAKER_05 41:40

Anakin, I believe, did not grow up with his family either.

SPEAKER_09 41:43

He was with his mother, and then the fucking Jedi came and took him because he fucking tested super high in the force. So they took him, so and then his mother gets killed, and then he goes and murdered on a big murdering spree.

SPEAKER_05 41:58

Yeah. So so here, yeah, sounds so much like your life. But, anyways.

SPEAKER_09 42:02

Except I didn't actually go on the murdering spree, I just considered it.

SPEAKER_05 42:06

Yeah, well, that's that's because you like weighed the pros and cons like a very intelligent person would. Do I want to spend the rest of my life in jail or do you want to get them back methodically throughout my life? Mwah ha ha.

SPEAKER_09 42:17

And I also wasn't a person of power like Anakin was to where I was I was he was a person of power, just personal power, and then he was a member of an organization that had a massive amount of power that would protect him.

SPEAKER_05 42:31

So I my thing is is that uh one, two, and three, the origin the original line of things, one, two, and three.

SPEAKER_09 42:39

Four, five, and six, yes.

SPEAKER_05 42:40

Four, I swear to Jesus Christ. The first three movies that came out, they were standalone, uh, a very good story that was told. Yes. It was a very good story.

SPEAKER_09 42:49

It's the best story out of all of them.

SPEAKER_05 42:51

Out of all of them, it's a very good story of good versus evil being told.

SPEAKER_09 42:54

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 42:55

Right versus wrong, humanity versus destruction. Okay, so that's very good. Yay. Then they go and they do this prequel, and you've got Anakin, and then and and it rolls into Darth Vader and all that. I don't even. I I will be honest with you, I know one's Attack of the Clones, and I don't remember what the other two are called. I really don't. I just remember one movie, Anakin was a kid, and then the next you had uh he was a young adult. He was a young adult, and then and then he was fully like Vaderized.

SPEAKER_08 43:24

Yeah, at the very end of Hayden Christensen is the name.

Sequel Trilogy Controversy

SPEAKER_05 43:27

So I think Hayden Christensen did two of the three movies. Yes, and and it was still it was a good story of its own. How somebody who is inherently starts out good with all the possibilities of being good, how they can turn bad, and not even just bad, but how you can let sorrow and rage change your perspective on life and make you do things you never thought you'd do because you cannot satiate this overwhelming emotion of rage because the thing you love the most is gone, the thing you cared for the most. Most is gone, and nobody's fixed, and it just keeps happening over and over in your life.

SPEAKER_09 44:04

Well, so yeah, he lost his mother, and that fucking kind of triggered him. However, it was also about being manipulated because he was constantly being manipulated because of who he was, because he was an Uber Jedi basically.

SPEAKER_05 44:19

Yeah, he's like Sam Jackson of the Jedi, too.

SPEAKER_09 44:22

Well, but well he he squashed Sam Jackson.

SPEAKER_05 44:25

But that's the point, is it was a very good story in and of itself.

SPEAKER_09 44:30

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 44:31

And then this last one, I don't know what it's about, except for Adam Driver killed his dad.

SPEAKER_01 44:39

Kylo Wren.

SPEAKER_05 44:40

Kylo. Kylo Wren. He he kills his dad, and Ray's gotta save the world. That's all I know. And he loved Ray. That's literally all I remember about any of it.

SPEAKER_09 44:52

So I think one of the problems with the with the um with the prequel series was that a lot of the people who were adults who grew up watching the original Star Wars movies. Um one of the things with the first two sets of Star Wars movies is that they were kind of on an arc of okay, let's produce as much toys and other tie-in shit as possible, because that's where Lucas really made his money from the first movies. And so they basically wanted to recreate that. And so they were trying to they were trying to appeal more to children than to the adults who loved it. Um which from a business standpoint that's kind of understandable, but it ended up pissing off a bunch of the power generation and uh millennials that grew up watching the original trilogy. And so that's part of where a lot of the animosity towards the other movies comes from. Right. Is that instead of focusing on your actual fan base, they put more emphasis, they're like, we have these people already locked in. Let's get as many new people, which from a business standpoint that's important, but they leaned too far into the let's get more children hooked on this, rather than let's let's fucking make sure that we stay true to our fucking right.

SPEAKER_05 46:26

It it and you know, and I get that because a lot of things have came became so much more money-driven after the financial crass in 2008, after especially after Enron and so many of these celebrities lost billions, hundreds of millions of dollars. So I get that. But uh for me, I also from a business standpoint going, oh, it's not that they're trying to not stay true to their original fan base, it's that the kids they were targeting, whose kids were they? They were Genexter's kids and millennials' kids.

SPEAKER_02 46:54

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 46:54

So it's they wanted to make it a family thing. So I get that, but again, they basically just rehashed Darth Vader's story with the very last three. I mean, pretty much that's what Kylo Ren was was a rehashing, was a reimagining of Darth Vader.

SPEAKER_09 47:10

He was a whiny bitch version of Darth Vader, which was what I hated the most about that. There the the two things that I hated the most was them trying to so the Rey character, I do believe, was in the novels.

SPEAKER_02 47:23

Mm-hmm.

SPEAKER_09 47:24

But they kind of mashed a bunch of storylines together to create the the um stuff, and they basically the the showrunner or whatever wanted to make a boss bitch, and that's what Rey is.

SPEAKER_02 47:40

Yeah.

SPEAKER_09 47:41

Um trying to make her basically the new well the the combination of fucking Darth Vader, because she's supposed to be an Uber Jedi um with the uh sort of relatableness of Luke Skywalker, because although he's kind of a potent Jedi, he isn't as special as his dad, not even close.

SPEAKER_07 48:07

Yeah. Um so yeah.

SPEAKER_09 48:13

Um but one of one of the biggest issues with the the final trilogy was that they didn't have as much consistency.

SPEAKER_06 48:24

Yeah.

SPEAKER_09 48:25

Um, partially because they had different directors.

SPEAKER_06 48:28

Yeah.

SPEAKER_09 48:28

Um, although um Return of the Jedi, or not Return of the Jedi, fucking uh The Empire Strikes Back is directed by somebody that isn't Lucas and is arguably the best fucking of the one of all those movies.

SPEAKER_03 48:41

Well, because they weren't doing hookers and cocaine trying to get the movies made. I'm kidding. I have no idea if George Lucas ever did hookers and hookers and cocaine. I don't know.

SPEAKER_09 48:53

I actually kind of did not. Well, I don't assume either way. I I'm I would not be surprised if he did, but I also would not be surprised if he didn't.

SPEAKER_05 49:01

Exactly. Um anything is possible.

SPEAKER_09 49:04

Yeah. Possibly um like in one of sometimes they were doing the rule of ghoul, and they were trying to fucking do specific things for whatever whatever their reasons were, like the fucking whole scene. Um I don't remember which movie it was in, but there was a bombing run scene where basically they were using World War II tactics. A lot of the the starfighter scenes in the original trilogy were straight up fucking almost frame for frame dog fights from World War I.

SPEAKER_06 49:46

Uh-huh.

SPEAKER_09 49:47

Um which that's kind of understandable, but World War II bombing runs is not understandable in a fucking space age fucking thing.

SPEAKER_05 49:58

It's not, other than if you're applying the theory of from World War I to World War II, they use different bombing strategy. So maybe that's what they were just trying to convey was a different bombing strategy. Yeah. Was learned over time.

SPEAKER_09 50:09

I mean, so there was a reason that scene was in there, but it fucking, as far as like the way space battles work, is fucking retarded.

SPEAKER_05 50:18

Yeah. And you know, I my problem with the last three movies is not just the fact that it's just like Adam Driver is an ugly crier. Fantastic, fantastic actor. I love his commitment to his family, his country. He's a former Marine. Thank you for your service. Yes. But he is an ugly fucking crier. And I just want to slap him and tell him to have a little bit of shame and don't sit there with his snot hanging out and his mouth hang open. Cover your face like a sh, like a man with some shame. Although, having said that, I really think men should feel free to cry. But Adam Driver is one of those actors where when he excels, he excels greatly at what he does. So if he's gonna come across that he's in love with the Fair Maiden, it's just like nobody's ever loved anybody like that. And if he's gonna come across as a Poe Dunk deputy that gets pissed off because the zombie won't fucking die and he's gonna bash your head in with his shotgun, he's gonna, he's gonna come across as the best poe dunk sheriff. You know what I mean?

SPEAKER_09 51:22

I like that zombie movie he was in.

SPEAKER_05 51:24

I I thought it was funny. It did take me a while to watch all of it because it's kind of a slow fucking movie.

SPEAKER_09 51:29

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 51:30

And and and because it's a slow movie, and because I haven't been sleeping a ton because uh so much is going on, you know. But anyways, Adam Driver, ugly fucking crier. And I had a problem with that. And about the third time I saw him cry in that movie, I was just like, even I wouldn't cry over this situation, you know. So you've you you've he's an ugly crier. They're basically just rehashing the story of Princess Padma, and isn't that what her name was? Yeah, Padma and Padma and and Darth Vader. Yeah, you know, they're just retelling that story because, you know, Ray and Ray and and Kylo, they love each other. Man, they just can't be together and it's just not fair. And I don't know. And out of all of that, you could tell for me, I felt like I could tell that Mark Hamill was over it, was fucking when he's training Ray, because I thought the movies were supposed to be, I thought the last set was supposed to be about basically what they all did with their life. What had happened to Hans and Leah was supposed to be one, what had happened to Luke was supposed to be another, and then what had happened to the entire Empire was supposed to be the last. That was my impression of what it was supposed to be. And instead, it's just you never loved me, dad. I'm gonna kill you, die solo.

SPEAKER_09 52:51

Yeah, it was a bunch of I Darth Vader was such a good bad guy in the first trilogy, and he had a really good redemption arc that what they did with Kylo Wren was almost a travesty.

SPEAKER_05 53:12

Yeah. Um it is because that was his grandfather.

SPEAKER_09 53:16

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 53:16

And instead of learning from the par I mean, I get it, he didn't know who his parentage were for a while, or where who his dad was, or blah, or whatever. I don't know.

SPEAKER_09 53:25

Well, more importantly, fucking Luke tried to kill him when he was a kid. And so it kind of is understandable that he turned out that way, and he kind of uh uh what is it? Um sort of idolized his grandfather as Darth Vader.

SPEAKER_05 53:47

Yeah, because he didn't take shit from nobody.

SPEAKER_09 53:49

He just beat the Yeah, oh you big no, you nobody's gonna bullet me round. But but he's also not Darth Vader, he's nowhere near that badass.

Business VS Fandom

SPEAKER_05 53:57

Um I don't know. I do love me some Adam Driver. I'm not trying to take away anything. I like Adam Driver, yeah. I I thoroughly enjoy Adam Driver. Um and uh, you know, and the girl who plays Ray, I really liked her. Yeah. I like the actors individually. What I don't like is this big buildup of this is what the future became to. Well, I got me a farmin. I got me old fiddle, hee hee, kill my daddy, and then gonna kill my middle.

SPEAKER_09 54:31

And like just that whole just and there were so many fans that were so looking forward to like the there was a series called the Jedi Academy, I think.

SPEAKER_02 54:41

Mm-hmm.

SPEAKER_09 54:42

Um cancel. Where where fucking um basically Luke started training new Jedi's because at that point almost all the Jedi's had been wiped out because fucking Darth Vader killed almost all of them.

SPEAKER_05 54:57

Yeah, and you can tell by the look on Mark Campbell's face when he's trying to train Ray and he's like sneaking out of his little hobbit hole where he's uh you could tell by the look on his face, like, you fucking creators, you fuck shit up for me because I already know I ain't gonna get my fucking series after this shit. I gotta go back to voicing the Joker.

SPEAKER_09 55:14

Well, so when when the last trilogy was made, a lot of the fans were hoping that's what they were gonna get. Yeah. Anything to redeem it. Well, there this was before the movies came out, right? Yeah. So they were hoping that it would be the continuation of the first three movies.

SPEAKER_02 55:36

Right.

SPEAKER_09 55:37

Um, and with the Jedi Academy and the other events that happen after the initial trilogy, and then they got what they got, and they all felt betrayed.

SPEAKER_06 55:50

Yeah.

SPEAKER_09 55:50

And basically only the people who well, the people who have very um relaxed opinions about movies are the ones who like them, other than the new people who got introduced to them with the fucking last trilogy.

SPEAKER_06 56:06

Yeah.

SPEAKER_09 56:07

Um but most of the other fans are like, what the fuck is this? Why did you give us this? Why did you shit on all this other stuff that has been canon for decades to create this abomination?

SPEAKER_05 56:22

So And then you got fans like me where I'm like, I'm entertained, I'm entertained, I'm entertained, right? And then I'm trying to watch it and trying to understand all this slow crap, and I fell asleep. And I was at the movie with a uh friend. We'll just leave it at that. I was at the movie with a friend. We didn't sit next to each other.

SPEAKER_03 56:43

We sat two rows apart and they were two rows ahead of me. And they came back and switched seats with the guy who was sitting next to me. They're like, elbowed me. I'm like, what is your fucking problem? You're snoring. You're asleep. And it was funny because the person who was in front of me goes, that actually you snoring was actually more entertaining than what they were jabbering about.

SPEAKER_05 57:05

Yeah. I'm like, I'm sorry, I'm so sorry. I just came back from Eastern Washington. I just got home at fucking 3:45 in the morning, and we're at the fucking 8:30 showing. Come on. I mean, that's you know, I hadn't even been to bed at that point, but um, anyways, I do remember saying being forced to be awake was uh through the movie annoyed me even more. And I remember commenting to the person I was with, you know, I wish they would have just made more Ewok movies. I would have happily paid to see more Ewoks and Star Cruisers crashing. I would have been uh anything. I was like, this is just garbage.

SPEAKER_09 57:44

One of the funny things is that at the time a bunch of people were pissed off because the it what wasn't supposed to be ewoks, it was supposed to be fucking uh what are they called? Wookiees. Because the Wookiees are from the same star system as the Ewoks.

SPEAKER_06 58:00

Yeah.

SPEAKER_09 58:00

And in fact, the Ewoks live on the moon, I believe, of the planet that the uh Wookiees are from. And so it was supposed to be a movie about the Wookiees, and then they changed it to be Ewoks instead. Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 58:13

I mean the the reality is so for me, Star Wars has a lot of cool, good things and has a lot of God let me take a nap things. It's just the way it is. I think they bastardized the franchise in a lot of degree in a lot of areas. But for me personally, as a Gen Xer, seeing the first original three movies that came out, whether they're one, two, three, or six, seven, nine, four, five, six, or, or, or whatever. Star Wars, The Empire Strides Backs, Return of the Jedi, those are iconic movies that put us into this ideology that really created a nice buzz over space exploration, which, although I don't want to go to space and I don't care what's out there because I I'm firmly happily happy on this earth at this point in time in my life, it put in the thought to people there's more to explore than just this world. Yeah, it's so much bigger out there, and there could be something. The answer, the key to life, the the fountain of youth could be out there somewhere. And we have generations of people who are coming in behind us.

SPEAKER_09 59:21

It probably is out there.

SPEAKER_05 59:22

I know, right? Because it was like, ew, earth, no, I'm not touching that hoe. She's dirty. Don't blame you at all.

SPEAKER_09 59:29

Look at these skanky backwater hoes.

Star Wars VS Star Trek

SPEAKER_05 59:31

I know, right? Eating alligators. They don't know. That's our god. I mean, you don't know. You don't know. But but for me, there was a lot of creativity there. I've always enjoyed seeing like the Comic-Con buzz where everybody's drop dressed up as the stormtroopers and the Jedi. And then I love seeing like the Jedi battles that neighbors have done and put up on YouTube. They're really fun. I think it's great, it's creative. It's just disappointing. May the fourth was not for me. May the force be with you, but it's not with me because I would rather watch Will Wheaton and the next generation. I mean, it's just, I mean, I it's just who I am. Captain Picard. There is no better captain than Picard.

SPEAKER_09 1:00:12

One of the things that I always appreciated about Star Trek versus Star Wars was that Star Trek was more optimistic look.

SPEAKER_02 1:00:22

Yeah.

SPEAKER_09 1:00:23

Um, at the future um than what Star Wars was. Of course, that wasn't what Star Wars was about.

SPEAKER_05 1:00:31

Yeah. Um, but it was Star Wars definitely has a very grim outlook to everything in its universe.

SPEAKER_09 1:00:39

I mean, yeah, kind of. Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 1:00:42

Okay. So it got positivity after we got Ray. Woo. That's just facts right there. Yeah. Because they they took these, they took the original four, fine, and thick. Okay. They took four, fine, and thick.

SPEAKER_09 1:00:55

Get it right, noob.

SPEAKER_05 1:00:57

And they were just like, there is hope for the the poor, downtrodden, beaten man to get up and rise above. And then you get when this little kid going, I'm not a big boy.

SPEAKER_04 1:01:12

I'm a little boy who wants to live in a big boy world. And you're gonna do what I say when I say it, because I want to be a big boy.

SPEAKER_09 1:01:21

I mean, even as a fucking little kid, he was kind of badass.

SPEAKER_05 1:01:24

He was, but um they turned him into this petty fire-breathing idiot.

SPEAKER_09 1:01:30

I mean, yeah, that's kind of his arc.

SPEAKER_05 1:01:33

I mean, I don't know. Like I said, if you look at them as trilogies alone, this set is really good this way. This set I really like this way. Darth Maul was cool. Fuck you, I don't care who you are. Double red. Are you joking me? I have I had Darth Maul in the pants somewhere. I've got a Darth Tater. That's a collectible, by the way. Still in packaged, never been out. Thank you so much.

SPEAKER_09 1:01:58

Congratulations.

SPEAKER_05 1:01:59

But the last set just was too much for me. I just, you know, I think that's one of the reasons why I fell in love with superhero movies, is because they're not all gods and they're not all these supers. It's one of the reasons why I like uh Clint Barton the best. Out of all the Avengers, he's my favorite one because he is literally just a dude with a bow. Just a dude with a bow who practiced over and over and over, just like Luke Skywalker was just a dude with a glow stick who practiced over and over and over. Yeah, baby. Anyway. Anyways, either way, I hope their May 4th has been good because I already know I'm gonna be getting somebody going, listen here, Alinda.

SPEAKER_01 1:02:46

There is no world without Star Trek.

SPEAKER_09 1:02:49

I mean, Star Trek has helped science. And probably Star Wars has too. Uh a lot of people who go into the STEM fields go in because they got inspired. Inspired by what name a fucking sci-fi or fantasy setting. They got inspired by it and they're like, what if? And then went and fucking pursued.

SPEAKER_05 1:03:13

And and and that's why I love that's I'm telling you, that's why Interstellar is for the last like five years, has been my favorite space movie. Interstellar and the Martian. Above and beyond everything.

SPEAKER_09 1:03:28

Not red planet, not Ghost of Mars?

SPEAKER_05 1:03:31

No. No. They killed Leaf Schreiber. No.

SPEAKER_09 1:03:35

And Ghost of Mars?

SPEAKER_05 1:03:36

Mm-hmm. Bad. And definitely not Prometheus. No. Fuck that. I I do not believe that whatever created this, if it was a creationist situation, I don't think it's a vengeful one going, bitch, I told you to be a six foot nine Latino, a big haas, and look at you, a five foot two white girl. I don't think we have vengefulness like that, okay?

SPEAKER_09 1:04:01

One of the kind of crazy things with a lot of these different sci-fi or fantasy settings is the theories that people come up with as to why such and such is happening. Yeah. And sometimes sometimes they're legit because you know, the the author or whatever talks about uh talks about stuff like in the behind the scenes or something like that. Or or in interviews, they'll say, Yeah, so this was my idea, such and such happened. And it's not actually in the movie or in the books or whatever.

SPEAKER_05 1:04:37

It was just a forethought, it was just a thought back then.

SPEAKER_09 1:04:39

Yeah, because a lot of times people who create these sort of things, they'll have additional background information that they're keeping in their head. Maybe they write it down, but it's not actually part of the in product.

SPEAKER_06 1:04:51

Yeah.

SPEAKER_09 1:04:52

Um, and so sometimes people will find these this information and then come out with a theory, or they'll just explicitly state this is what the author said.

SPEAKER_05 1:05:00

And I think that that's a a really interesting part about the creative side of life, because like for me, um, I love it when I can kind of go, oh, wait a minute. Like, if you watch Prometheus and Romulus and the whole the whole line there, right? Because it's all I think it's all part of alien, anyways, or whatever.

SPEAKER_09 1:05:18

Prometheus is part of the alien.

SPEAKER_05 1:05:19

You know, so if you if you watch it and your brain goes, it it literally the the Prometheus itself and then the one right after it, and damn it, I wish I could remember.

SPEAKER_09 1:05:28

I don't know, I've not seen the Prometheus was the last one of those that I saw.

SPEAKER_05 1:05:32

So, well, Prometheus, you've got you know, Charlie's Therone in there, and you've got Naomi Rune in there, or Room, or what, anyways. So the next one after that, David has lived on this planet, and you come to find out David's been playing the what if game. And the what if game is really cool for the advancement for us, for science, for man, because how can we get better and learn how to fix. Some of these genetic errors that happen. Kids, these kids being born with spina bifida, they don't deserve that.

SPEAKER_02 1:06:06

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 1:06:07

They did nothing wrong. They literally, they just laid back and relaxed and shit happened. So playing the what if games, what advances us? It's what's given us a way to control HIV and AIDS on a much bigger level. It's what has made cancer go from a 93% mortality rate within the first year to a 7% mortality rate within the first year, depending on the type. And that's why we have all these different stages that we're able to fight in battle. So what if is a great game to play in science? And I think it's a great game to play in movies. And if movies and TVs can inspire you to think outside of a box and think at a better level, that's great. But the reverse is always true. When you have this where this what if gameplays, you have people who are going, uh, I don't like change. This is no. What if we don't change? And then they try to stop all the progress. So I mean Luddites have been around for a very long time. Yeah. I mean, so Star Trek, Star Wars, it's all really cool because we do need to be exploring out there and seeing what's what's out there.

SPEAKER_09 1:07:14

Yes, as a species, we have to do it or we will be extincted.

SPEAKER_05 1:07:18

We we will 100% be extinct in a thousand years if we don't figure something out.

SPEAKER_09 1:07:23

And we might be extinct in a thousand years, regardless of whether we're not.

SPEAKER_05 1:07:26

I mean, we might not be here in the corporeal form in a thousand years, but we're gonna be sitting out there with our fucking lattes in space going, we told you dummies to go look. You know, plan on getting uploaded. Uh, you know, I kind of go back and forth in my head about that because I don't want it to be a situation where I'm like, yeah, I'm totally gonna get uploaded and somebody gets annoyed with me, and they're like, I'm gonna upload you now see in 50 years. You know, I'm like, I uh bless you. So so I do loose. So there are things I love about Star Wars. There's definitely things I love about Star Trek. Um, but I do like I think you just nailed it right on the head. Star Trek had much of a more optimistic look. Even when they were faced with the board, they had a must much more optimistic look.

SPEAKER_04 1:08:15

I mean, Luke, it took Luke three fucking movies to go, maybe I can defeat Darth Vader, maybe I can hold my maybe I can do okay.

SPEAKER_09 1:08:25

And then he ends up not doing it anyway. Dummy. I mean, it was Darth Vader. He was not up to that task. He defeated him with love. That's that's the way he defeated Darth Vader. Yes.

SPEAKER_05 1:08:40

I mean, I don't know. I think of all the Darth Vader moments, the moments where Hayden Christian loses his leg and loses his arm, and he's burning half to death in the lava or whatever, and he's like, I think that's like one of the best ever. Because it's really creepy when they take Darth Vader's helmet off and you see the actor underneath. Yeah. And you look at him and you go, You're not James Earl Jones, R.I.P. dude. You're yeah.

SPEAKER_09 1:09:02

I mean, that actor who actually wore the suit.

SPEAKER_06 1:09:07

Yeah.

SPEAKER_09 1:09:07

The actual Darth Vader dude. Right. Um, that dude was a fucking specimen, man. Yeah. And that was one of the things that annoyed me with the choice of Anakin was because that dude is nowhere near. I mean, he might be a better actor. I'm not sure. I've seen so I saw if you ever watched the movie Clockwork Orange.

SPEAKER_03 1:09:28

Oh, yes.

SPEAKER_09 1:09:29

So that actor, Darth Vader, is in that movie.

SPEAKER_03 1:09:33

Oh, yeah.

SPEAKER_09 1:09:34

Um, he's the so you remember when um fuck, I can't remember his name. The dude from Caligula.

SPEAKER_03 1:09:44

Oh, McDowell.

SPEAKER_09 1:09:45

Yeah. Timothy Malcolm. Malcolm. Malcolm McDowell um and his gang um break into a house.

SPEAKER_01 1:09:53

Oh, yeah, and they're the old in out. Look, give it the old in out, love.

SPEAKER_09 1:09:57

And they rape the well, they sa the wife and then murder her.

SPEAKER_10 1:10:02

Yeah.

SPEAKER_09 1:10:02

And then like paralyze the dude. So that when they end up, well, when Malcolm McDowell ends up back at that house, um you see the fucking the dude, and he's confined to a wheelchair. He has a manservant. The manservant is the dude who was played Darth Vaser. And he's fucking huge. And he like picks up the dude in the wheelchair and walks up and down the stairs with him.

SPEAKER_05 1:10:29

Yeah. So Yeah, I think he was a former ball player. I'm pretty sure he was a former ball player or bodybuilder or something.

SPEAKER_02 1:10:36

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 1:10:37

And and he see so here's the thing that I I felt from the movies going from Hayden Christensen, who's very trim and tall, to the guy who actually physically played Darth Vader. I felt it was like supposed to be an evolution of change and growth for him. Like just the older he got, the meaner he got. So what did he do as he got older? He just cut bitches down. He was just working out all the time killing people. Because that's just what Vader did.

SPEAKER_09 1:11:01

I mean, he was a cyborg too, so it kind of fucking didn't necessarily have to be that big. But the the final scene with him where he's basically just Frankenstein's monster annoyed the shit out of me. On top of the fact that, okay, this dude is nowhere near a specimen as the fucking original dude guy. Yeah. Um, but like I said, I don't know, he he might have been a better actor than the other dude. Because like I said, I've only seen him in those two roles, and then the one role. You can't fucking see him, he's wearing a fucking suit.

SPEAKER_06 1:11:32

Yeah.

SPEAKER_09 1:11:32

Which is why they over which is why they dubbed his voice because you also could barely hear him.

SPEAKER_05 1:11:38

Yeah. Um well, I mean, in James Earl Jones, R.I.P. Yeah, definitely, dude had that, had that an awesome voice. The marathone. It's James Earl Jones. The only person who could have done it better would have been Morgan Freeman if he could have pitched down two levels. Morgan Freeman. Morgan Freeman. So uh one thing, I know we're I know we're wrapping up this episode, but one thing I actually failed to mention. And um, so by the so we talked about Chuck Norris. Thank you, Mr. Norris, for all the fantastic fun moments.

SPEAKER_07 1:12:10

Yes.

SPEAKER_05 1:12:10

Chuck Norris has one more movie coming out that's expected to drop in 2027. Oh, and he plays a parody of himself.

SPEAKER_09 1:12:20

Is he playing a new character in Star Wars?

SPEAKER_05 1:12:25

No.

The Wrap Up

SPEAKER_09 1:12:26

Oh my god, you're such a oh my god. They should they should fucking do an AI um of Chuck Norris in the Star Wars universe where he's not a force user, but he goes around beating the shit out of force user. That'd be amazing. Lucas, that's my idea.

SPEAKER_05 1:12:44

Right.

SPEAKER_09 1:12:45

Dibs, Disney, that's my idea.

SPEAKER_05 1:12:47

Dibs, dibs, dibs. Uh, hold on, I gotta find the right page because I giggled about it and I didn't know if I wanted to say or let people be surprised by it, but I thought, well, you know, may the fourth be with you. Let's give you a little bit of love. So the last movie that Chuck Norris will be featured in, where he plays Captain Chuck Norris, which is a parody of himself, okay, will be is supposed to be dropping in 2027.

SPEAKER_09 1:13:14

Okay.

SPEAKER_05 1:13:14

And it features none other than Ice Ice Baby Vanilla Ice.

SPEAKER_08 1:13:21

Okay.

SPEAKER_05 1:13:22

And it's a movie.

SPEAKER_08 1:13:23

Van Van Whipple.

SPEAKER_05 1:13:25

Robert Van Winkle. Van Winkle, yeah. And the movie's name is at this time called Zombie Plane. And Robert Van Winkle will be playing an air marshal who's gotta defeat the zombie full of these zombies on a plane. So it's snakes on a plane with zombies.

SPEAKER_09 1:13:42

I was gonna say, please tell me Samuel Jackson is also in this.

SPEAKER_07 1:13:46

No, I'm tired of these motherfucking zombies on this motherfucking plane.

SPEAKER_05 1:13:51

No, but I thought it was worth mentioning.

SPEAKER_09 1:13:54

Nice.

SPEAKER_05 1:13:55

But uh, so that's a happy uh may the fourth be with you to all.

SPEAKER_09 1:13:59

May the fourth be with you.

SPEAKER_05 1:14:00

May the fourth be with you. But I mean, for me, I'm gonna follow the czarlord. Who the czar lord! Who the czarlord! Shout out to toot general tutimus minimus to minimus, major general, excuse me. He got upgraded in 12 months.

SPEAKER_09 1:14:24

He got promoted.

SPEAKER_05 1:14:24

Yeah, congratulations, Major General. Tutu minimus. You guys have a great day. Later. Bye.

SPEAKER_00 1:14:38

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