Kraven a KickAss Hero

 Jen and Dagda reconnect after a busy couple of weeks to talk movies, Marvel, and one actor who's quietly becoming a powerhouse: Aaron Taylor-Johnson. Jen finally watched Kraven the Hunter (on Dagda's recommendation) and loved it—leading to a full Wikipedia deep-dive into ATJ's career, from Kick-Ass to Avengers: Age of Ultron to Bullet Train and beyond.

They discuss why Kraven worked, the Rhino character's mutant origins, and Jen's pitch for ATJ to play a young Tony Stark in a future Iron Man reboot. The conversation spirals into Marvel trivia, 28 Years Later zombie horror, and a detailed breakdown of Chris Pratt's new film Mercy—a dystopian thriller about AI-driven justice, emotion vs. facts, and 90-minute death sentences.

It's part film review, part Marvel nerd-out, part criminal justice rant—classic Conversations Over Coffee.

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Transcript

SPEAKER_03 0:03

Welcome to Everyday Life. Thank you for joining our podcast, Conversations Over Coffee. My name is Jen. And I'm Dagda. And we're gonna hit you with the explicit content warning right off the bat. This podcast does include adult situations and adult language from time to time.

SPEAKER_00 0:22

I'm an angel. I never fucking cuss.

SPEAKER_03 0:25

Okay. Anyways, you ready to go?

SPEAKER_00 0:28

Oh yeah.

SPEAKER_03 0:29

Alright, let's go. Okay. Feel better? Had your lunch? All's good. Sure. How are you doing today? I'm doing all right. How are you doing? I'm doing just fine. I've been up for too many hours and doing too much stuff, but we finally have a chance to sit down and just chill and conversate, which is really nice. Because we haven't had a whole lot of that in the last couple weeks. It's been go, go, go, run, run, run. And yeah. That's getting a little irritating. But in the big scheme of things, it's worth it, right? That's right. Don't gulp into the mic. Swallow, swallow, swallow. Look, earlier, um so your friend Marlon uh gave me that uh ninja creamy machine. Yeah, right.

SPEAKER_02 1:24

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:24

And so I'm putting in that uh Greek yogurt I want, the one that I really like.

SPEAKER_04 1:30

Okay.

SPEAKER_03 1:30

And when I popped the lid, because my hands were wet, so I had to pull the tab off, it went all over and it looked like somebody did not follow my rules of so I was gonna run in here and be like, not in the face, not in the face. You could be like, what the fuck? But it I'm good. I was just like, you probably want to throw it up being like, ah, because it literally was everywhere under my eye, all the way down my shirt, and I was like, son of a bitch. And then I got red wine vinegar on everything. I'm like, crap, nah, I gotta change. Anyways, so have you been?

SPEAKER_00 2:01

I've been all right. How you been doing?

SPEAKER_03 2:03

Um, good, just kind of busy with work, and then you know, we had other stuff we had to take care of, and yeah, which so I do want to give a shout out to Greg and Barbie. Um, because I'm super happy to see Miss Barbie doing better.

SPEAKER_00 2:18

Oh, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 2:19

You know, her color is better. She was gray there for a very long time.

SPEAKER_00 2:22

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 2:23

She was like, you know how they have a song black and yellow? She was gray and yellow, glory and yellow. So um, she looks a lot better. She had to show off, you know, yeah, put some steps in yesterday. Super proud of her.

SPEAKER_04 2:33

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 2:34

Um, you know, and uh it was uh, you know, the people who know us in our personal lives, um, so they all know that we had somebody we lost this year that we love very much. And um, it was a gorgeous service, and it was a good time with the family. And um, the only thing I can say as the individuals looking down is like, dude, good for you. That's all I can say. Because I there were some of those pictures I was really like, oh my god, I felt like they weren't appropriate to show in a public venue. But it was good, it was uh a good time with the family, and uh of course, you know, it's you know, Barbie and Greg making it down, it's like awesome, yeah, you know. But uh, but anyways, so we celebrated their lives and and and we honored them, and it was fantastic, yeah. Yeah, anyways, so I finally did a recommend you gave me. Okay, you you I'm right, like which one? Because I'm so slow to upcatch on it, you know what I'm saying? Like, I'll be like, oh, that that show or that book or whatever, that sounds really good. And then it's like, oh, but wait a minute, seven days to die, or oh, but wait a minute, I got a hundred projects here to do. Um, Craven the Hunter, you actually gave me a recommend to watch that movie.

SPEAKER_00 3:51

Yeah, I thought it was pretty good. I mean, a lot of people didn't like it, but that's the way of things.

SPEAKER_03 3:57

Well, you know, hum we're just picky people, and it's okay if they didn't like it, but what for me, I loved it. Yeah, I completely enjoyed it. I like the concept, and I don't have any backstory, any back knowledge of the the comics themselves.

SPEAKER_00 4:14

Okay.

SPEAKER_03 4:14

Um, be and that's literally I went into it blind. Yeah, I was just like, oh, Aaron Taylor Johnson. Um, I like him. Um, you know, he's a he's a decent actor. I like him. I loved him in Bullet Train. He's tangerine in Bullet Train.

SPEAKER_00 4:32

I don't think I've seen that movie.

SPEAKER_03 4:33

Oh no, I'm I'm gonna give you that recommend. Hop on Netflix, watch Bullet Train. It's got it's got Brad Pitt, uh uh Joey King.

SPEAKER_00 4:42

Um oh yeah, that's the one where it's a bunch of assassins trying to kill some dude. Okay, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 4:48

And it's so and it's just so funny. And of course, Michael Shannon uh plays the main bad guy in it. So you know, and he's he's normally in very um he played Zod in the newer Superman stuff. I've not seen the not I mean the stuff with Henry Cavelli.

SPEAKER_00 5:04

Yeah, I've not seen the Henry Cavill stuff.

SPEAKER_03 5:06

Cavill Cavelli. Oh I'm thinking.

SPEAKER_00 5:08

Yeah, the last one I saw was with Brian uh Brandon Ralph.

SPEAKER_03 5:12

Fuck that guy.

SPEAKER_00 5:13

Um I kind of like him. Not necessarily that he's uh an amazing actor. I just I saw some stuff with him before I saw any of the in it was not he was on the Bulletproof Podcast um talking with fucking uh Dave Asprey and it was interesting. Yeah, and he seemed like an interesting person, so I was like, okay, and I'll watch the fucking Superman movie. So then I did, and I was like, okay, this movie's not all that great, but I'm not upset about him.

SPEAKER_03 5:48

Great. I I don't know. It's like everybody who gets so upset about Ben Halfleck being Batman. It's like, why? It's it's it's it's like, look, they're actors, they try different things. Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't. Me for Brandon Routh, he's a very look, he's a very good actor. And I remember years ago you talking about him being on the bulletproof. Um so so that's all good. The only character I have enjoyed watching him play was in the arrowverse. So in the green arrow, as Adam.

SPEAKER_02 6:20

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 6:21

It's the only time everything else I've ever seen him do, he's pretty much a DB. And I just so I've never wanted to see him. I mean, he's kind of he's he's intelligent, cocky. It just reminds me. Adam in Green Arrow, take this with all the niceties you can. Some of his behavior mannerisms, I'm like, oh, that's dagda. Because well, because because you have that higher level of intelligence, there is only so much placation you can do to people. Yeah, and then you just have to be like, look, don't be stupid. If I tell you that ions move to the right and atoms move to the left, that's what it fucking does. So it sucks to be a know it all.

SPEAKER_00 7:07

Sometimes, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 7:09

So so, anyways, I went into this blind. I went into craven blind. I really liked it, and I really it took me a I felt kind of like a dirty old lady for a minute there because Craven's shirt was so much.

SPEAKER_00 7:23

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 7:23

And I'm looking at this guy who's I mean, he's all about nature, so yeah, which meaning ill natural is kind of natural. Right. I mean, I I found myself laughing it many times.

SPEAKER_00 7:38

I found myself getting frustrated with uh Russell Clarot who plays his dad uh many times, and I'm just like then I really got upset with his little brother, and I'm like, you dirty ginkleberry, but I mean I only knew a little bit about that character going into it because I he's a he's a Spider-Man character. Um, and I only knew that he was this dude who liked hunting dangerous game type thing, and so I didn't know his actual background or any of that. Um I never read any of the comics that he was actually in, I just knew that he was a Spider-Man character and blah blah blah. Um so it was kind of interesting. So I was coming out only slightly more knowledgeable than you.

SPEAKER_04 8:32

Right.

SPEAKER_00 8:32

Um so as a result, I don't have a lot of the hang-ups that a lot of the actual fans would have because I don't fucking know. This is the first time it's been this this character has truly been presented to me. Um so all you true fans out there, don't get upset.

SPEAKER_03 8:52

Yeah, please don't. Like honestly, please don't. Uh, because it's like I'm I'm complimenting it to the highest. I like the movie in the form where I didn't feel I needed to know his backstory. I feel the film did well enough explaining and giving you the basic idea of who his dad was and how he came to be from uh what is it, Sergi Um Kravanoff to being Craven the Hunter.

SPEAKER_00 9:20

Yeah. Well, and also one of the things I think I don't believe that most of the information that was presented in the movie is the way he's presented in the when he's first introduced.

SPEAKER_02 9:34

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 9:34

It's one of those things where it's like there's this dude hunting Spider-Man because he's dangerous game or whatever. Right. Uh and they don't really get into his true background until much later.

SPEAKER_03 9:46

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 9:47

Um, that's my assumption of what happens because that happens most of the time. The one thing I didn't really like, well, I kind of have mixed feelings about it, is that they had Rhino in there, right?

SPEAKER_01 9:59

Right.

SPEAKER_00 9:59

One of the main bad guys was Rhino, and it was kind of cool, but also like I they made Rhino like a mutant, basically.

SPEAKER_03 10:14

Yeah, it very much reminded me like, oh, are you trying to play on Deadpool's popularity by having this scientist in New York who did an experiment to help you and all of a sudden it went bad? Because that that a thousand percent felt like a shout out to Deadpool. Because that's the same thing that happened to Deadpool. He had these mad scientists say, We're gonna fix you.

SPEAKER_00 10:37

I mean, there's a bunch of different characters that have that kind of background. Um just like there's a whole bunch of characters who have basically the super soldier serum, like Captain America. Right. It's just Captain America was the most successful attempt.

SPEAKER_04 10:55

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 10:55

Um, the one with no side effect, no negative side effects, and blah blah blah.

SPEAKER_03 11:00

It's because he was pure heart. There's two things that I think why Captain America, and I'm not trying to squirrel away from Craven, but there's two things that I've noticed when I'm when I'm watching the line, the the the Captain America or any of the Marble, you know, phase one and two, and three and five, and twelve hundred and nine, whatever. There's two things that I've noticed about this to why he good job. You are so welcome. Why he made the perfect super soldier, not just his heart and his intent, but he was a virgin. And I think that makes all the difference because he had no corruption and no sin. Where everybody else who's taken this super soldier, either they had uh serum, had a lot of corruption or intent, or were already de-virginized, like the one guy from the 40s.

SPEAKER_00 11:46

Oh, the black dude.

SPEAKER_03 11:47

Yeah, the black dude. I wish I could remember his name. I'm so sorry. But so Craven. I I felt like I didn't need to know everything. I feel like they explained everything enough. I loved, I love the story between him and the girl, and it wasn't a romance story. Yeah, I really appreciated that. I really loved it, and I it was one of the parts of the movies that made me laugh so hard when she said, How did you find me? And he's just like, Well, I'm a hunter. Just like, again, there's his name, Craven the Hunter. Um, so yeah, I really liked it, but it did this thing that only my brain can do, I swear to Jesus, where I went, you know, I remember I've seen Aaron Taylor Johnson and other things.

SPEAKER_02 12:35

Okay.

SPEAKER_03 12:35

And what was it? So I kind of I did a Wikipedia poll. Oh my God. Only me, I swear I'm the only person in the world who ever does it. I know I can't be, but but uh I mean, like it will go to the depths of looking at the things that I did.

SPEAKER_00 12:50

Okay. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 12:50

Um, so down the rabbit hole. Yes, down the wiki hole. It's it's it's wicked and wild. It's it's so wicky and wild. Yeah. Um, so the first place that I saw uh Aaron Taylor Johnson was before he was Aaron Taylor Johnson. It was when he was Aaron Johnson, and that was in Kick Ass.

SPEAKER_00 13:12

Okay.

SPEAKER_03 13:13

He's Dave Lewinsky, he's kick-ass.

SPEAKER_00 13:15

Okay. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 13:16

Right? Okay, so you have that in your mind now. Now you can look at kick ass, and then you look 13 years later and you see Craven and you're like, holy crap, that's a physical evolution. Yeah, he he definitely broke up. He had a glow up. He he had a beyond glow up, but it was interesting because I'm just like, wait, what? And then I couldn't remember at first. I'm like, isn't he the kid who married the and I feel so bad for his wife that my brain just went, isn't he the kid who married the old lady? That's not what I meant, because I have a younger partner myself. Um, but I meant older robber. Well, they're like, he's 35 and she's like 60 now.

SPEAKER_00 13:58

What?

SPEAKER_03 13:58

Oh yeah, she's like 59, almost 60.

SPEAKER_00 14:01

Damn.

SPEAKER_03 14:01

Uh yeah, he was born in 1990, and she was born in 1966, I think. God damn. Look, so she was married to this other guy, and then she got divorced and or was going through this divorce. They met on this her very first movie that she was doing called Nowhere, Nowhere Boy, or something like that. And after the wrapping of the film, after her divorce and all of that, then they started dating. They started dating in 2009, which I'm telling you, he's 35 right now. He'll be 36 later this year, okay? So that means they started dating 17 years ago when he was 18, about to be 19. And he's been faithful and loyal and with her since. They have a couple of daughters, they do projects together, they have a good life. And it is it is insane to me that you just emphatically know at 18 years old, this is my path. And I don't mean about a job, but I mean about a person.

SPEAKER_00 15:05

It's it's as I it's I sounded like Ashton Kukcher and Demi Moore.

SPEAKER_03 15:11

Yeah, but I think they were separated more than they were ever together, and they had more of a everything I've read indicated they had more open marriage space than not. So I I don't know, but anyways, so he started out as Dave in Kick Ass, and then he's Craven. And what's even wilder to me about Aaron Taylor Johnson is the fact that in Avengers Age of Ultron, you can see the evolution of where he's going physically. Because he was Pietro Maximov.

SPEAKER_00 15:44

Oh, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 15:45

And it's crazy when you put it together like that. But literally, you can look at the stages of his life and his physicality.

SPEAKER_00 15:52

Wasn't there another dude who played that character too, though?

SPEAKER_03 15:55

No, there were two different guys who played.

SPEAKER_00 15:56

Well, Quicksilver. There's oh, the those are the same characters they just yes.

SPEAKER_03 16:01

Then that would be Evan Peters did play Quicksilver in the uh uh X-Men side of things, and then uh P um Aaron Taylor Johnson in both The End of Winter Soldier, where that's when we're first introduced to uh the Maximovs. The Maximovs, thank you. Like, I can't even remember her name right now. What's her name?

SPEAKER_00 16:22

Uh The Scarlet Witch. I can't remember her actual name, though.

SPEAKER_03 16:26

No, I know who Elizabeth Olsen is, but I can't remember her name in the fucking show.

SPEAKER_00 16:29

Yeah, the Scarlet Witch. I can't remember the Scarlet Witch's fucking first name. We'll figure Maximov.

SPEAKER_03 16:35

Yeah, it'll it'll all of a sudden come out. Uh it literally just passed through my brain, anyways. And that's because this last year I did something I never do, and that's I skipped all of my Marble movies in order. I I didn't watch it's been over a year. Because usually what I do is I watch them twice a year in order. And I've for the last year I've actually kind of avoided that trying to expand out.

SPEAKER_00 16:58

I've actually still not watched a movie or even a television episode in I don't know, probably like five or six months.

SPEAKER_03 17:07

Yeah. Something like that. It's it's crazy. So so I was doing this research, so you've got him as Dave, you got him as kick-ass, and then you have him show up at the very end in the ending credits, because there's gonna be people going, hey was an end winner, soldier. What are you talking about? He shows up in the end credits, the very end credits, you see the Roman offs and their little yeah power starting to come through. And then you see him actually in the full Ultron movie, and and he's in there. Yeah. Well, well, not the he's not fully throughout it, but he's he's in it a little bit. Literally, her name has just gone through my head like five times. It's driving me nuts. Yeah. And it's like, uh uh. So you see this physical change, and I'm like, this is crazy. But then I read more about him, right? And he's a farmer, he's a vegetable farmer in his off time at home. Him and his wife in England have a little farm, and that's what he does. And I'm like, well, that makes sense why he doesn't, you know, like why he's built the way he is. But it's just like, I didn't realize I liked him as an actor so much until I looked at his timeline of what he was doing and like what movies he's been in. And it's just like, he's made to be a superhero hero or an anti-hero of some kind because kick ass and then Pietro and then Craven. And it's so weird that Pietro Maximoff and obviously Craven are both in the Marvel universe.

SPEAKER_00 18:33

Yes.

SPEAKER_03 18:34

So then my brain did one more little weird thing, and it was as I was getting ready to fall asleep while I'm reading Wikipedia. My head went up and I went, I hope they do a reboot of Iron Man and they have Aaron Taylor Johnson play a younger Tony Stark. I think that would be fan freaking tastic.

SPEAKER_00 18:52

Okay.

SPEAKER_03 18:53

And her name just went through my head again. Can you look it up? Your phone's faster than mine. Mine's like 10 years old, and it's just like needs crutches at this point. Anyways. Mine's 85 years old. What are you talking about? Maybe 85 days, I don't know. Um it's longer than that. So I really liked it. I'm like, I was amazed at this guy that he just has all this energy and everything. And he just plays these different characters that are great. And even when you watch him from the Marvel movie from Asia Ultron into Bullet Train, where he plays Tangerine, one of the Tims.

SPEAKER_00 19:31

Wanda.

SPEAKER_03 19:31

Wanda, thank you. Wanda vision. Why didn't we think of that?

SPEAKER_00 19:34

Yeah, exactly. This is what happens. I think that did run through my head, but then I was just like, it's WandaVision, it's not right.

SPEAKER_03 19:43

And in my head, I'm going, it's Vinda, it's it's Vision, and what's her name? And I kept saying Scarlet in my head, I'm like, that's not it. And then I kept saying Elizabeth, and I'm like, that's really not it.

SPEAKER_00 19:52

And then I was like, Scarlett Johansson.

SPEAKER_03 19:56

She's a Black Widow, baby.

SPEAKER_00 19:57

I know.

SPEAKER_03 19:58

All right. I love I love so much about the Marvel world, especially the Black Widow movie.

SPEAKER_04 20:06

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 20:07

Where Elena's just like, and why do you drop down and do these splits like that? You just why you showing off? It's so great. Anyways, so that's what my thought was is Aaron Taylor Johnson. They could redo Tony Stark and do him younger, and they could have Aaron Taylor Johnson play him.

SPEAKER_00 20:26

Uh okay.

SPEAKER_03 20:29

I think it would be great.

SPEAKER_00 20:31

Okay. Don't give them any ideas to fucking regurgitate shit yet.

SPEAKER_03 20:36

Well, I mean, it's been 15 17. It goddammit, it hasn't been long enough. It has been almost 20 years since Iron Man 1 came out.

SPEAKER_00 20:45

40 fucking years and then redo it.

SPEAKER_03 20:47

Well, I won't have an interest in it in 40 years. I'll probably be off to, oh, look at the romantic princess by then or something. I don't know. Although I think I'm kind of a diehard Marvel fan. There is somebody I work with, and she's just like, I love Marvel.

SPEAKER_00 21:01

I can't wait for Doomsday. I was like, I know. I uh I remember somebody was talking about that at work too, talking about Doomsday.

SPEAKER_03 21:09

It's it's like, you know, like look, all of us Marvel nerds, we're just kind of out there. Just I don't go to the extreme of some of these people. Yeah. I mean, yeah, I know some stats on some of the people and like all of that. Like, you know, Steve Rogers. He went back in time and, you know, had his kids with his girl and all that. And when he came back, theoretically, he would have been 94 years old when he passed away. But because of being frozen in ice, he was like 124 or some shit like that. Yeah, I mean, isn't insanely crazy numbers.

SPEAKER_00 21:42

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 21:43

So, anyways, I don't know. I just I was really shocked that I really liked Kraven the way I did. And my partner didn't kick me. I mean, he was like, it was okay. And I'm like, I love this. I love this. Loved how violent it was. And I and I I don't have a better way to say that, but sometimes it was just violent.

SPEAKER_00 22:09

Yeah. And it was like there is a little bit of a ultraviolet. Of course. Sorry, love. No time to read the meter.

SPEAKER_03 22:19

Look, you keep your clockwork orange and do you to yourself.

SPEAKER_00 22:22

I misquoted that by the way.

SPEAKER_03 22:24

That's fine, but I knew you were trying to quote clockwork orange, and that that's one of the movies that creeps me out.

SPEAKER_00 22:29

At least I'm not quoting Caligula. I don't believe he's a virgin. That scene's so fucked up. Anyway.

SPEAKER_03 22:40

Is that the first scene? Um no. Because I never made it past the semen bath house.

SPEAKER_00 22:47

Yeah, no, that's this is later. This is when he's when he decides to uh he's emperor at this point, and he has decided that he's going to because apparently they had the quote unquote right to deflower virgins on their fucking wedding day or some shit.

SPEAKER_03 23:06

Yeah, that's that's an old practice.

SPEAKER_00 23:08

And so he shows up at one of his um guards weddings.

SPEAKER_03 23:14

Weddings. Okay.

SPEAKER_00 23:15

And he deflowers the the bride and then he says, I don't believe you're a virgin to the dude. And that's the scene where he's got a fistful of grease and a giant ass ring on. I don't believe you're a virgin. Anyway, I won't describe any more of that scene.

SPEAKER_03 23:36

Yeah, because I've never seen the whole movie because I gagged within the first 10 minutes.

SPEAKER_00 23:40

I mean, old dude was fucked up. Although the greatest, the the my favorite quote from that movie is uh he's trying to raise money. Um and so he's like, Who are the biggest whores in Rome? And he's like, the senators' wives. So basically he creates a brothel for the that is filled with senators' wives. Wow. So uh so fucked up.

SPEAKER_03 24:10

We must be able to continue our whoring and our fucking, and so we're gonna use them to make money. Yep. Oh my god. Wretched. Anyways, erasing that from my mind. Brain bleach, brain bleach Malcolm McDowell's a great actor. Yes, but that is a movie I feel like never should have been made. I mean I feel like that and the devil and Miss Jones should have never been made because they both like well, one Caligula, I had to turn off because I just gagged so high, like, and not in not in a way. I mean, I like in that way.

SPEAKER_00 24:49

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 24:50

And uh so everybody's probably that happened. Everybody's probably thinking, oh, our partner got it good. No, he didn't. Uh, because I saw it well before I met my partner. Uh, but then the devil and miss Jones just creep me out too.

SPEAKER_00 25:01

I'm just like what oh taboo, that's also a super fucked up movie.

SPEAKER_04 25:06

Well, it's a lot of people.

SPEAKER_00 25:07

If you consider the actual content that's going on in there, it's like wow. And they have like, I think they got up to like uh nine, eighteen twenty billion.

SPEAKER_03 25:20

But it's a tail, I mean, if we were in Arkansas, they'd be like, what? That's just normal. They'd be like, that's just a Saturday night double feature. What are you talking about? Kidding, uh, I think. Anyways, so what made me look into Aaron Taylor Johnson a little bit more, and I thought, oh man, he would be great as a young Tony Stark, and I love that idea. Um, but now I'm kind of like, I can't wait to see what's next. And coincidentally, just didn't know I knew he was in it just because it was just like I'd scrolled to a movie. I was just like, oh, I haven't seen this yet because I don't go to the theaters anymore. I want to watch this movie uh yesterday, and uh it was 28 years later, and Aaron Taylor Johnson's in that.

SPEAKER_02 26:05

Oh, okay.

SPEAKER_03 26:06

And it was interesting because I in Craven the Hunter, he's like, you know, naked running through the forest. Is he the alpha zombie? No, which by the way, excuse me, Danny Boyle, and whatever your name is. I can't remember your name, ma'am. I'm so sorry. There was no need to show that. Did you see that?

SPEAKER_00 26:24

No, I heard about it though.

SPEAKER_03 26:25

Oh my god. I'm like, no.

SPEAKER_00 26:28

Why is there a zombie dong on the fucking screen so long?

SPEAKER_03 26:33

It's not, it's not even that there's a zombie dong there because there's lots of zombie dicks just kind of flapping around, like most of them are kind of rotted off, right? Not the alpha zombie, of course not.

SPEAKER_00 26:44

He has the show's dominant.

SPEAKER_03 26:46

Did you watch the wrecking crew? Yes, so it's like that. Only you see the dick, not the outline of the dick, and it's veiny and it's bulbous, and it's already like almost two feet long. It's like 14 inches long and it's flaccid. And all you want to do is kick the TV and say, You better get away from me, thing. But my partner's just like, why is there a zombie dick?

SPEAKER_00 27:14

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 27:15

I'm like, well, you know, and he's just like, no, that's just not real. I'm like, you're right, that's not real.

SPEAKER_00 27:21

The same reason there's a giant blue man dick in the what is it, the Watchman?

unknown 27:27

I don't know.

SPEAKER_03 27:28

I haven't watched the Watchman movie in at least 20, 25 years. That was a good movie. I liked Rorschach's mask. That was really cool.

SPEAKER_00 27:38

But so you're stuck in here with me. Right anyway.

SPEAKER_03 27:43

I'm not stuck with you. Yeah, that guy, that guy who played Rorschach did a really good job.

SPEAKER_04 27:48

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 27:49

Uh, but it so there you go. We can have Aaron Taylor Johnson do that too. So I so it was just an interesting contrast to me to see him in Craven the Hunter. And literally, and I know these ladies out there are gonna agree with me. The dude has like an eight or a ten pack. Okay, it is undeniably super ripped. Yeah, and it's just like, uh, that looks better than Zach Efron, who got super ripped for Baywatch. And I don't mean I don't like I don't like guys with big muscles and everything like that. I like soft bodies because I'm like, oh, that looks like a comfy pillow I can go to sleep on, right? Yeah, but I was just like, holy crap, just how symmetrical everything is on him is insane. Yeah, like the effort he has to put in, but like I said, he's a vegetable farmer at home, so uh I don't know.

SPEAKER_00 28:39

That makes me think of there's this Australian dude who's a farmer and he has workout videos of himself just videos of himself working out, uh-huh, and he's like uh he's like uh world strongest man type stuff that he's doing, although he's never competed. A part of Eddie Williams? No, it's a dude who's never competed, and you never see his face in the videos, it's almost always from behind, and he's like fucking carrying these fucking huge ass things. It's like Jesus Christ, and the dude's like 6'5 or something, he's just fucking massive. Um, and uh, I saw this little clip where um an actual world strongest man competitor, an actual winner of World Strongest Man, is watching what he's doing. He's like, I couldn't do that, right? And it's like, oh, that's interesting.

SPEAKER_03 29:34

Well, it's it's just so crazy to me because some people just go to these massive extremes on getting their body to what they think is perfection or strength or whatever. And some of these guys, I think, have overdone it.

SPEAKER_00 29:50

Well, there's a difference between performance and actual fitness, yeah. Um, so most athletes will push themselves beyond the point that is actual healthy in order to perform at the highest level. Um, and it's a bit of a problem because then they'll end up having problems later on in life, oftentimes.

SPEAKER_02 30:13

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 30:13

But um as far as being fit, you're not fitness isn't a competition, right? It's just trying to be healthy, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 30:23

It's doing it for yourself, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 30:26

And so when taken to the extreme, like I said, it can become problematic because you're doing X, you're you're lifting X amount of weight that is detrimental because you're damaging yourself essentially every time you do it.

SPEAKER_02 30:43

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 30:43

Um and although your body will adjust, but it can only adjust so far, right? Especially natural if you're doing everything naturally, um everything should kind of be in alignment. So your bone strength, your fucking ligaments and tendons and muscles should all be working sort of together. Um, but if you're using fucking steroids, let's say, you can push your muscle growth past what your bone strength is gonna be.

SPEAKER_03 31:20

Right.

SPEAKER_00 31:21

And so you can cause problems.

SPEAKER_03 31:23

Um I feel bad for the peach people who are using like steroids. I mean I get some people have to use steroids because their testosterone levels are too low, and it's doctor prescribed. I don't have a problem with that. It's the one who are going out getting like the back alley steroids, yeah, and they're doing that, and it's just like, man, I wish you were just happy with you.

SPEAKER_00 31:51

Yeah. Have you seen the have you seen excuse me? Have you seen images of those dudes who I don't remember what it was, it was some synthetic material. It was like synthetic oil or something like that. If you inject it into your muscles, it causes your muscles to swell up even bigger. Yeah, but it's not actual, it's like scar tissue mostly.

SPEAKER_03 32:12

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 32:13

And so it looks like you have huge biceps or whatever muscle group you put it in, but the actual amount of strength isn't there. Yeah. And so they just look ridiculous.

SPEAKER_03 32:23

Yeah. Um and then when they actually blow it out trying to get it real, yeah. It's so I saw a picture of one where it blew out and it was just like this huge double lump underneath their arm.

SPEAKER_00 32:35

I was like, Yeah, because it like flops over and then it becomes another, it looks like a tricep, except it's just flopping there.

SPEAKER_03 32:42

Yeah, it's like it's so crazy. But yeah, I I mean, I think my vote of confidence that Aaron Taylor Johnson did his shit natural would would be there.

SPEAKER_00 32:51

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 32:51

Um, you know, and I give him huge kudos because he's got uh some more movies coming out uh in 2026 and 2027, and they actually sound really interesting because one is werewolf, it's called Werewolf, and not Werewolf how we spell it here in America, but the German way. So I'm really excited because it's Verwolf. So we're gonna go back in time and we're gonna see that story. So that's cool.

SPEAKER_00 33:20

So is it one of those? Is it is it a remake of the original werewolf movie, like the I can't remember?

SPEAKER_03 33:27

One with Michelle Pfeiffer and Anthony Hopkins or whatever.

SPEAKER_00 33:29

No, no, no, no. I mean the really, really, really old ones.

SPEAKER_03 33:32

I didn't see that because it since it's in post-production, they keep shit under wraps. Just like basically it was like back in the I don't, I think 1800s, and there's this beast terrorizing this village. I think that's as far as it was from for what I read. Because I don't want to read too much because I'm just like, wow, it's really cool to me to have another actor besides like Crims Chris Hemsworth that I really like, or Chris Evans. Fuck Chris Pine, no offense, dude. Uh, but you know, there's not I love me some Chris Pratt. I actually we just saw a new Chris Pratt movie on Amazon Prime that I think you'd really like, and it's called Mercy. And it was absolutely 100% terrifying.

SPEAKER_04 34:14

Okay.

SPEAKER_03 34:15

Because it could really become to that. You know, I mean, it's called Mercy, it's on Amazon Prime, it's Chris Pratt, and it shows the future of law enforcement, where instead of it being uh the judicial system being run by human emotions or being impacted by human emotions or human emotions interfering with it, it is a computer program.

SPEAKER_00 34:38

Okay.

SPEAKER_03 34:39

And you have 90 minutes to plead your case. You have 90 minutes to plead your case. You have to stay below, uh, I think it's 95% probability of guilt, and they will not execute you. If you stay above that 95%, they're executing you in 90 minutes. And it's and it's what's crazy about it is, you know, so I watched it with my partner and we talked about it. And I was just like, honestly, he's like, that's like what the future's gonna have. I'm like, yeah, it is. Because if you have a set parameter that says it, you know, like you can't sit there and have a judicial law that says, A, B, C, D, these are your four parameters for this. Because then what we do is we have human compassion. And somebody will say, This was my first uh offense. Please have leniency on me and don't make me do the full sentence. And we do that. They're just releasing, they're taking, they're just resenting somebody who was convicted here in Washington. I think it was here in Washington in 1994. They were convicted of murder. And you know what this motherfucker says to them? Oh, please have some mercy on me and reduce my sentence because I was just young and angry in 1994. I don't care. That person didn't get any mercy from you. No, I hate, I don't hate much, but I hate the fact that we will let our emotions determine how we, instead of being able to look at something and going, you took a life that could have lived to be with today's advances, you could have she she could have lived to be 100. So she lost 80 years of her life. So why aren't you losing 80 years of your life?

SPEAKER_00 36:16

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 36:17

Like, sorry, that's just me. So, anyways, uh, Mercy, great movie. Um, you know, and it's what what I really liked about the movie was it did show where you need to separate human emotion to figure out your facts. Because there's there's this whole incident that happens, obviously, right, in the middle of this movie. And uh, you know, and Chris Pratt has to say, it literally has to say, I can't deal with that. I need to deal with just the facts. And then when it's when he has the opportunity to actually have an emotional, uh have an emotional response, then it's literally like, fuck you, dude. And I'm just I love it because he reigns himself in because he's the designer, he's one of the designers of this program, you know, as a police detective. So it's really good. But my partner's like, oh man, like life could be like that. And I'm like, yeah, it probably would be a good thing to have of a program like that that can sort through all of the different facts in all of the ways that they show in this movie, and then take it to a jury.

SPEAKER_00 37:23

Yeah, actually having AI run through the facts um and then have a judge make the decision would probably be. I mean, one of the problems with I used to fucking hate lawyers because of a lot of the stupid shit that happens in the United States. Right. Um, but then I realized, well, there's a judge that has to fucking agree with that stupid lawyer's bullshit. Um, and so there's a lot of judges, in fact, uh, several judges got just got fucking in trouble because of doing stupid shit. But um there's a lot of judges that are like super soft on crime. And so you'll have situations like the murderer, and they'll be like, oh, well, you were just misled or whatever. And sometimes, yeah, that might be the case.

SPEAKER_02 38:13

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 38:13

But a lot of times that person made a decision and you're not holding them account accountable for it, even though you're supposed to.

SPEAKER_01 38:21

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 38:22

Um, it's kind of fucking annoying. Especially when it's a repeat offender.

SPEAKER_03 38:28

Ugh, don't even I I really dislike the fact that we have I enjoy the fact that we have the three-strike shot law, but I also dislike it in the fact that I'm like, if it's a serious enough offense, like I don't know, manslaughter or attempted murder, uh, maybe it should be one strike and you're out because that's obviously somebody who needs to have some really, you know, corrective action taken on on their part. And, you know, they could go, they could correct their lives and then they could go live in the juvenile detention center and teach the kids to do better or something. I don't know.

SPEAKER_00 39:00

You know, I mean, it's just like teach the kids to be better criminals?

SPEAKER_03 39:04

Probably, right? Well, the interesting thing about mercy is, and I'm not gonna lie, like I said, I'm just slightly left to center, and people don't understand that because I can be like in a work situation, there are uh some people alternate uh lifestyle, no alternate gender people, people who are in the middle of transitioning, and on the one hand, I can't imagine being in a body, you know, being a sex that I didn't come to terms with, and being in a body that I hated so badly, I wanted to mutilate it, yeah. Like I couldn't I couldn't imagine, and I feel bad because how hard that's gotta be on their heart, and that's a big thing for me. Yeah, so I can be very PC about it. But on the other hand, sometimes when they're one of them is acting like a big fucking crybaby and drama queen, I want to say, you know, put your big panties on and act like an adult.

SPEAKER_04 40:01

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 40:01

Which I can't do, but I still think it. So, anyways, um, so in Mercy, they have taken and they have quarantined all of the basically Los Angeles. They've quarantined Los Angeles, they've blocked it off. It's a giant tent city that's been blocked off because of the crime rate, the the drug rate, everything. Yep, they build a wall around it. And I looked at my partner and I said, I am all for that.

SPEAKER_00 40:31

Give them all the drugs they want, it'll sort itself out.

SPEAKER_03 40:34

It's not even a matter of give them all the drugs they want because here's what happens when somebody, so when somebody is saying, um, it's the environment, I don't have any other choices. If you're put in an environment that really doesn't agree with who you are at your core and everything, and it's something you really want to get away from, you will figure out how to get away from it. You're not gonna sit there and be re-victimized over, you're gonna figure out a way to fight or you're not, period.

SPEAKER_00 40:59

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 41:00

But I told him, I said, I'm sorry, that might not be the most PC thing to say, but I think that in, especially in Pierce County, I said, I think we should have uh, you know, like five acres where they have a they're taught everything they need to survive on their own. They're they're taught how to do gardening, how to do all the basic skills that they obviously don't remember from school. Because there's a there's a huge part of our populace that are that are homeless or transient or whatever because they've been drug drug addicts since they were kids.

SPEAKER_04 41:31

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 41:32

And so they've never learned any life skills.

SPEAKER_04 41:34

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 41:34

And like I got a job offer invite and I got invited to uh we would like you to apply to be oversee our like homeless shelter encampment thing to be one of the monitors there. And I'm gonna be very honest and say, as much as I want to be positive, and I am, I do try to positively reinforce people. No, I I could not do it because I'm gonna be the one that would snap. I don't have enough Jesus to sit there and say, Oh, yes, you, yes, it's it's mommy and daddy's fault that you decided, although they're very, what's the word, affluent. They're very affluent, you know, and um they've never done drugs and they go to church every Sunday, but it's their fault because they told you you needed to go to church and and you didn't find Jesus. It's their fault. I'm not the one. I'm the one to say you're a fucking adult. What happens to you when you're a kid that's beyond your control is beyond your control. When you become an adult, you dictate how you're going to live your life.

SPEAKER_01 42:37

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 42:38

And sitting there, especially, and trust me, I've talked to enough between the shop and where I work now. I've talked to enough where I'm like, you 45 years old, you haven't lived at home in 30 years, and you're trying to tell me it's still your mommy's fault.

SPEAKER_00 42:55

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 42:55

Because mommy wouldn't buy you a pair of Calvin Klein jeans. Lit I've literally had somebody say that. Well, it's my mom's fault that I'm like this because she wouldn't buy me. This is gonna really date me. She wouldn't buy me guest jeans because they were $29, and we couldn't afford that. Okay, so that's still your excuse in your 40s as to why you're behaving the way you are.

SPEAKER_00 43:18

I dropped out of high school because I was smarter than the jock, and the jock got an A in the class because the teacher gave it to him.

SPEAKER_03 43:25

Yeah. Oh.

SPEAKER_00 43:27

It's like that that still pisses me off when it's like you're too smart for this, dude.

SPEAKER_03 43:34

It's like it's not just athletes that get scholarships.

SPEAKER_00 43:37

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 43:38

But you know, people have to understand that there are, yeah, there's more athletic scholarships because we also, as a nation, we compete every few years in this thing called the Olympic Games because we want to be the best. So that's what we're one of the things we're looking for is it how do we entertain ourselves? Yeah. A great portion of our world, we watch sports. How do we say we're better than you? Through our athletes.

SPEAKER_00 44:03

Meanwhile, China has entire schools set up that are just for that.

SPEAKER_03 44:07

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 44:08

So they have like um I don't know if they have high schools, but they have colleges that that's all they're for is to train athletes.

SPEAKER_03 44:16

Yeah. I mean, I would rather reward big brains than big brawn. I mean, that's me, but I get where we need to be competitive. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 44:26

And it's kind of a at least both kind of get rewarded, as opposed to only one or the other. Um, because in a world where you only reward big brains, uh people are gonna end up getting murdered. Yeah. And in a world where you only uh reward brawn, well, the same thing's gonna happen happen. They're just gonna do it in a smarter way.

SPEAKER_03 44:54

They're gonna take all your money and make you a slave. It's just how it works.

SPEAKER_00 44:58

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 44:59

So, anyways, um, not that I wanted to squirrel there. Yeah, but I definitely thank you for the recommend for Craven. It, you know, it made me like really look at Aaron Taylor Johnson a little bit different. And like I said, then I saw him in all this stuff, and I'm just like, oh, I really liked him in there. So why didn't I associate the two? And I really, really enjoyed him as tangerine on bullet train. He's his comedic timing is pretty freaking good for a guy who mostly does action and drama. Did you just say vegetables? You're such a dick. Uh, but so so then I watched, like I said, then I watched 28 years later because I love the series. Um, and I'll tell you what, Ralph uh Fiennes is in there, or Fiennes is in there, and he's the one who have you seen uh Red Dragon, part of the whole Hannibal Lecter line and stuff. Okay, well, he's the Red Dragon Silence of the Lambs.

SPEAKER_00 45:58

Okay, he's Voldemort. Okay. Uh I've only watched one of those movies.

SPEAKER_03 46:05

I know, but at least it gives you a reference point as to what his acting range has been. So he actually is in their shirt. Listen, he's not looking too bad for a 60-something-year-old dude. He's doing pretty good. But, anyways, um, and so thanks for that recommend. So I'm gonna recommend Mercy back to you because I think you'll get a kick out of it. Mercy. I think you'll get a kick out of it, and I think you'll be like me, where he's like, there's a lot of things in here that are a really good idea, and then there's some things that are a bad, bad idea. Yeah, but just I I I do love how it gives you a look at where it's really interesting because you've got the tomorrow were with Chris Pratt, um, that people think that's really gonna happen. You've got another one, I can't remember, it's with him and Taylor Kish. Um, and people think, oh gosh, that's really how it is when it comes to the military. And then you've got this one with Chris Pratt. And it's just like it's interesting to me because I think Chris Pratt could be our comical De Niro in the future. And then Air Taylor, and yeah, I'm obsessed with Aaron Taylor Johnson for I'll probably be for like another five minutes or whatever, you know, obsessed with this kid. But I I look at him and I'm like, oh my God, he literally could be the next um Nick Cage. Okay. And you know, Nick Cage started on his career kind of doofy and goofy when you look at American graffiti and you know, like, and then stuff like Peggy Sue got married and all of that. And then you see him come in and he does Ghost Rider and Snake Eyes and Face Off and Gone in 60 Seconds and all these different really good movies. And I'm like, oh god, this could be our new Nick Cage because he has that same range. I love Raising Arizona. Yeah, it's pretty funny.

SPEAKER_00 47:47

It's kind of funny though.

SPEAKER_03 47:48

Yeah, so it that's the thing. At least it's not Will Farrell's stupid funny. So, anyways, I thank you for the recommend. I recommend Mercy back. Hopefully, we can talk about it in the future because it's like there are so many things. I love the ideology about it. Like, we caught you on video killing somebody, so you're gonna sit here for 90 minutes knowing you're gonna get eradicated. And it's not like they give him an injection, they give him a sonic boom to the head, they just vibrate them to death, and not in a good way. Fucking psycho. Anyways, uh, worth checking out. I can't wait to see what else he does. I'd also I just saying, hey, Kevin Feige, you know, start looking at this kid for like when when you hit your 25th anniversary of uh Iron Man, because we're almost at the 20th anniversary now. We've already hit the 20th anniversary of the first Hulk movie, I think. Because I think that came out in 2020. It was either five or six, but then they have but it depends on which one you talk about.

SPEAKER_00 48:46

Yeah, I was gonna say it's probably well, maybe I think it's been longer since the the actual first movie. Um but the one that was part of the Marvel. Yeah, that one's been almost 20 years.

SPEAKER_03 49:02

Yeah, yeah. I think the one I think the Eric Banya one is been getting ready to hit 22 years because I think that was the first one they when they started redoing it. And then the one with Edward Norton, because Edward Norton was supposed to continue on to be the Hulk, um, that was 2006 or 2007. Yeah. And so it's super crazy. Um, and I really like that Hulk movie. I a lot of people give the a lot of people that are like, oh, that's so it's so garbage. Eric Banya was better. No, Eric Banya's was a fine standalone movie. Sure, that was just an incident, the Hulk had.

unknown 49:30

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 49:30

But like, I don't know. There is something about Edward Norton that minus American History X. I love that movie. I hate that movie. Um minus American History X is just like put your fucking mouth on the top. Stand up, stop. I hate that so bad. Uh, but he he brings a lot to it, and and he did, you know, it's so crazy. He did so good with it. It's just amazing. But uh, so I I hope people check out Craven. I hope people check out work by Aaron Taylor Johnson because I think he is literally going to be the next Nick Cage. He could even be the next Brad Pitt without all the psycho drama of personal life because he's got a wife that he's been married to. She's older, she's mature, she doesn't let that cheap shit get in her brain. And uh he seems to have a really intelligent and good head on his shoulders. I really like him. I really want to see him in more Marvel stuff. I think he could probably even, you know, go back and they could probably even take Elizabeth Olson and him back and do just a Pietro and Wanda movie. See how I remembered it.

SPEAKER_00 50:36

Yeah, I mean I mean, those I was gonna say those two characters are kind of side characters.

SPEAKER_04 50:46

Right.

SPEAKER_00 50:47

Um because the they're from X-Men. Um and it's X-Men is more about Professor X and Magneto. And they're kind of, like I said, side characters. Um it doesn't really matter.

SPEAKER_03 51:06

I'm liking the kid. I think he's the next, like I said, he's gonna fall somewhere between Nick Cage and and Brad Pitt. I think he he could be the next De Niro, I don't know.

SPEAKER_00 51:18

There will be never be another De Niro.

unknown 51:21

Alright.

SPEAKER_00 51:22

Or Al Pacino.

SPEAKER_03 51:24

Al Pacino's like 84, 86, man. He's getting he doesn't look bad for his age, but he's getting rough.

SPEAKER_00 51:30

Yeah.

unknown 51:37

Wow.

SPEAKER_03 51:38

I'm just glad that that wasn't on video because okay, everybody.

SPEAKER_06 51:53

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